Why do we humans, as embodied creatures, need to make things? And more specifically, why do we need to make things with our hands? What’s the benefit on both a personal and societal level? Nate Marshall and I chat about trade work (and the culture’s side-eye of it), what we learn about our souls when we work with our bodies, and what to do about this if we tend to live up in our heads.

• Host: Tsh Oxenreider / X

• Guest: Nate Marshall / X

• Create Your Rule of Life

• Buy a round of drinks

• Recommended reads

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