Is virtual reality useful for productivity software? Yiliu is the founder of Softspace, a VR/AR tool for thought. He joins Mark and Adam to discuss the human brain and body as inherently spatial systems; the question of whether information is fundamentally 2D; and why social comfort is the biggest challenge facing VR today. Plus: how to avoid a dystopian future.

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Show notes * Yiliu Shen-Burke @softspaceninja * Softspace * Wim Hof breathing method * Studio Olafur Eliasson * The Brain Maps Out Ideas and Memories Like Spaces * Oculus * Oculus development kit * heads-up display * Scott Greenwald’s Media Lab thesis * Beat Saber * A Beautiful Mind * Softspace demo * force-directed graph * Steven Johnson on DevonThink * Google Glass, Magic Leap, Vision Pro * Supernatural * vergence * history of VR * PlaneVR: Social Acceptability of Virtual Reality for Aeroplane Passengers