In this final episode of our five-part series with Dr. Kathy Guthrie and Dr. Dan Jenkins on their new book, The Role of Leadership Educators: Transforming Learning you get to learn more about our guests as individuals and learn about the final chapters of the book, Chapters 8-17. Kathy shares what she misses most about the Midwest and Dan shares his favorite video game from the 80s. Kathy and Dan then talk about the importance of assessing leadership programs, practical examples of vital pedagogies, and their upcoming companion manual for the book.

00:00 - 01:00: Introduction 01:00 - 05:30: Get to Know Kathy and Dan 05:30 - 07:40: Assessing Leadership Programs 07:40 - 09:20: Building a Bridge or End in Mind? 09:20 - 17:50: Leadership Education and Art 17:50 - 21:00: Companion Manuel 21:00 - 24:00: Final Thoughts 24:00 - 24:34: Outro