Episode 51 continues our five-part series with Dr. Kathy Guthrie and Dr. Dan Jenkins on their new book, The Role of Leadership Educators: Transforming Learning. In this episode, you’ll get to learn fun facts about Dan and Kathy such as Dan’s favorite running song, books that Kathy plans to write in the future, and more. The rest of the episode focuses on chapters 5-7 of the book including a comparison between context and Russian nesting dolls, when to consider levels of context in the planning process, and the artificial divide between curricular and co-curricular leadership programs.

00:00 - 01:00: Introduction 01:00 - 09:15: Get to Know Kathy and Dan 09:15 - 11:45: Levels of Context and Russian Nesting Dolls 11:45 - 13:20: When to Consider Levels of Context 13:20 - 16:30: Artificial Divide Curricular and Co-Curricular 16:30 - 18:50: The Power of Curricular and Co-Curricular Divide 18:50 - 23:40: Literature Review 23:40 - 27:20: Intentionally Designed Program 27:20 - 31:20: Authentic Leadership Designed Program 31:20 - 33:35: Application of Knowledge, Skills, and Values 33:35 - 36:20: Meaning Making Through Reflection 36:20 - 39:50: Continuous Program Improvement 39:50 - 40:12: Outro