In the second part of my lengthy conversation with the poet Brian Turner we begin by discussing language - in particular pejorative terms like 'Haji'. Turner moves from this, through coining 'otherise', to recall his own experiences in Iraq.  ----more---- Our major themes include: * what it was like to follow the 'Invasion Troops' * the effect of Abu Ghraib on the Iraqi people * Turner's own relationship with the Iraqi people * life under the threat of roadside bombs * Donald Rumsfeld and the narrative of 'body counts' * raids and prisons * the guilt of putting innocent people in prison * hypermasculinity and writing about women * the military and Turner's family history * Turner's homemade war movies * the allure of warfare - adrenalin, meaning and moment * war, beauty and destruction in Mosul * death and the end of the world

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