Scott and Wes talk with Alex Reardon from Atlassian about developing drag-and-drop libraries, specifically the challenges with creating efficient and accessible drag-and-drop functionalities for the web. They also explore what it takes to build and implement a system that works seamlessly across various frameworks.

Show Notes * 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! * 01:18 Brought to you by Sentry.io. * 01:51 What Alex does at Atlassian + react-beautiful-dnd + Pragmatic drag and drop * 04:38 What makes drag and drop tricky. * 06:38 Use-cases. * 10:54 What security is in place? * 12:30 How to make it feel native. * 19:20 Is the drag and drop spec ongoing? * 20:03 How do you build this headless? * 21:33 How does drag and drop work with frameworks? * 23:48 Making drag and drop feel the same across mobile and desktop. * 26:09 What's the key to really good drag performance? * 29:58 How do you make drag and drop accessible? * 34:57 Pragmatic drag and drop code vs application code. + Shoelace + shadcn * 40:00 How does testing work? + Playwright + Cypress * 43:15 Internal adoption at Atlassian. * 44:27 Working on high-impact projects. * 49:15 Versioning and internal adoption at Atlassian. * 51:29 Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs.

Sick Picks * Alex: Coffee, James Hoffmann YouTube Channel.

Shameless Plugs * Alex: Dom Events.

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