Host Jay Ellis is a fan of crime scene investigation TV shows - he’s even acted in them! But in this episode, he learns that all the fancy forensic science the heroes of those shows use to solve crimes are not as good as they seem on TV. Jay speaks to experts about how forensic practices were developed and why they aren’t the reliable science they seem to be. He takes listeners on a field trip to the one forensic lab in the country that’s getting it right and speaks with a woman who spent 13 years in prison for a crime she didn’t commit because of bad forensic evidence used against her at trial.

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