Former SecDef Mattis speechwriter and chief of communications, retired naval aviator Guy Snodgrass returns to At The Table to discuss with Jared President Trump's failure to lead on the COVID-19 response.

segment 1: Trump's coronavirus response: "It's like a slow-motion train wreck."

segment 2: Leading alongside Trump: "You have to conform to his position... or you will lose your voice."

segment 3: "Now we're playing catch-up."

Check out Guy's first conversation At The Table for his book, Holding the Line. His new book, TOPGUN'S TOP 10, is scheduled to be out in September.

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Host: Jared Rizzi [Twitter]