With a passion for utilizing government money in the most efficient way possible, who couldn't look up to CEO of Pacific GeoSource Michael Frey?

Growing up with a love of building, he landed himself a construction engineering degree at Oregon State University before starting Pacific GeoSource -- a civil engineering company that uses innovative technology and strategic consulting to create more efficient roadways.

He's a passionate, thoughtful business owner who dropped some great knowledge in our extra-long chat (It was just SO good!).

We talked about:

💥 What to ignore in business

💥 The innovators dilemma

💥 When sustainability works best

💥 What to look for in a sales person

💥 What societies lose with equal opportunity

💥 Why self-driving cars aren't good for roads This episode is packed to the brim. I hope you take a listen.

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