In between regular episodes, we are releasing mini-episodes where we share more stories and reflections from our experiences. Light-hearted and sometimes deep, we discuss a variety of topics that have come up in our conversations together. 

In this episode, Ashley asks La and Kathy about their coming-of-age stories as poj laib. Poj laib is a Hmong term to describe a woman whose image or actions are viewed as rebellious, bad, or criminal.