Ivana seeks another perspective on addressing biases (2:45)

Engagement cuts across all groups (3:45)

Dr. Phil Schlechty influenced David’s views on learning (4:15)

Your mom’s opinion matters (4:45)

Affiliation requires collaboration (5:30)

All learners “bring motives to the table” (6:25)

It’s the work that engages the learner (7:00)

A, B, or Not Yet (7:00)

Diversity of interest (8:05)

Engagement and learning, cradle to grave (9:15)

Ivana shares some thoughts on balancing universality and individual contexts (9:45)

Engage all or engage most? (10:30)

Attention as the currency of a student’s time (12:40)

Ivana digs into the “student as customer” concept(14:40)

School as a place for the creation of a civic project (15:10)

Students have choices, even in a compulsory attendance context (16:30)

The student-customer metaphor (17:30)

School’s connection to community – the metaphor expanded (18:25)

Different types of teaching and the effect on learner engagement (20:10)

Ivana describes some university experiences in Europe (21:00)

Clarifying the meaning of student choice (22:00)

The most important customers (24:45)

David and Ivana agree (25:20)

Ivana asks about the Professional Association of Georgia Educators (25:25)

Safe schools, wraparound services, funding formula, and the teacher pipeline (26:25)

PAGE benefits – individual, school, profession (28:30)

True accountability (29:15)

Generosity, patience, and community matter (30:25)

Ivana highlights important concepts in the customer metaphor (31:20)

David and Ivana agree, again (32:10)

Ivana points out the great contributions of teachers (32:30)

Ivana’s grandmother is still serving in a teaching role (33:50)

Podcast cover art for Lead. Learn. Change. is a view from Brunnkogel (mountaintop) over the mountains of the Salzkammergut in Austria, courtesy of photographer Simon Berger, published on www.unsplash.com.