Remnant regular Matt Ridley is back to discuss the origins of COVID-19. Did the virus emerge from a lab? What would that mean for virological research? And how can we prepare ourselves for future pandemic? Broader scientific discussion is also mixed in on subjects ranging from climate change to mask-wearing. Lukewarm listeners are in for a treat.

Show Notes:

• Matt’s previous Remnant appearance

• Matt’s new book, Viral

• Matt previews the book in the Wall Street Journal

• Trapped in Disneyland

• The lab leak and the Lancet

• Gain of function research

• Matt the lukewarmer

• Jonah goes nuclear

• Jonah on getting past the pandemic