"The point of it is not always to make a business, of course. It's to have that experience." Karin and Kelly chat with Melissa Schmitz about what it's like to win a hackathon, her experience working with virtual reality, and her decision to pivot from natural science to data science. Topics discussed include: using virtual reality to train people on heavy equipment, how to succeed at your first hackathon, and building blocks of programming Follow Melissa on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/schmitzmelissa/) and Medium (https://medium.com/@schmitzmelissa) for more! Click here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc_nhP19q8A) to watch a video about Raymond's Virtual Reality simulator. Melissa's team, MMA, won Hack Upstate X! Read about their project here (https://medium.com/@hackupstate/hack-upstate-x-the-results-are-in-b1a58514a866). Our theme is "Enthusiast" by Tours. Listen to the full song here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQWZSK_Pkxs)! Follow Karin Personal Site: kethorne.com Instagram: karin_thorne Twitter: kaythorne E-mail: contact@kethorne.com Business: JS Webb Development LLC (jswebbdevelopment.com) Instagram: jswebbdev Twitter: @JSWebb_Dev Business E-mail: JSWebbDevelopment@gmail.com Follow Kelly Personal Site: kell.dev Instagram: kellytoearth Twitter: @kellytoearth E-mail: hello@kell.dev Follow Salt City Code Site: www.saltcitycode.com Instagram: saltcitycode Twitter: saltcitycode E-mail: saltcitycode@gmail.com --- Special Guest: Melissa Schmitz.