In this episode, Gines shares that he has been a bit flat lately, and Ben acknowledges the value of being honest. This does not mean taking a woe me approach but being aware it is not all sunshine and rainbows.

They explore the notion, for there to be light there needs to be a shadow, to have a mountain peak there must be a valley and etc. So often we do not look at the need for the shadow.

In the personal development world, there is a brighter light shining, which means there is a darker shadow.Also, we chat about Ben getting a dog and how it is going to be different this time.

They explore, Ben's existential crisis when he finds out he needs hearing aids!

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