Gill Perkins, aka jamjargill talks to us about how she got her online persona, why her 'take no shit' policy nips trolling in the bud, how she has found the perfect way to combine her passions AND make a living, how finding her tribe has continued her education, how simply stopping to think can be the biggest gamechanger in the war against waste and what she does as a mum of twins to create pockets of self care.

PLS note this IS Episode 58, not 57 as (sleep deprived) Jo says in the intro!

Ordinary mums, Serena and Jo, talk honestly and authentically from their own experience, about how they try and look after themselves and sometimes get it wrong. Want to get in touch? We want to hear from you! Go to our Instagram page http://www.instagram.com/goandgetmorepodcast and leave a comment in the episode post tagging @jo.merrett or @serenanovelli You can also find us on Facebook.

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