We explore the world of Product Marketing through the lens of the women who run it at some of the fastest growing technology companies in the world. Each week we sit down with Product Marketing leaders to hear their journey, lessons learned, trade secrets, and more. Hosted by Mary Sheehan, a Product Marketing leader at Adobe. Mary is passionate about instilling confidence in women who are either thinking about pursuing a career in Product Marketing or are simply looking for tangible frameworks and takeaways in their current role. Mary knows first hand and acknowledges that as a woman in leadership, it can get lonely at the top. This show will help you navigate your career and unlock your full potential in a male dominated space. Women in Product Marketing is proudly brought to you by Klue, the competitive enablement platform for all product marketers, and produced by Sharebird, the product marketing mentoring platform.
Questions covered in this episode:
1:26 Opening Question (Can you share a time when you failed at something and learned?)
5:16 What is your role like and what Nextdooris all about?
11:20 What is tactically that source of truth as you get data from various sources and how do you connect it all with the inputs that you're getting?
13:35 What is the way that you bring voice of customer to life at the organizations that you work for?
16:21: What kind of impact does having a strong woman leader as CEO have on the company as a whole, in your opinion?
20:51: What are good OKRs for product marketing?
24:50 How do you make the jump from a senior manager level to the director level?
29:40 What are some innovative launch activities you've done that were successful?
34:09 Rapid Fire
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Questions covered in this episode:
2:01 Opening Question (Can you share a time when you failed at something and learned?)
5:58 What is your role like as a VP of Product Marketing at New Relic?
7:44 Can you tell us a little bit about what's core to differentiated positioning for you and what your process is like?
12:18 Can you share a little bit more about how you build high performing teams?
16:46: How do you hire great PMM talent?
20:51: What tools should product marketing use to relay customer feedback to product?
24:53 Rapid Fire
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“I am a big believer that receiving any kind of feedback which I always ask of my team as well as my managers and working on it is the best for you to be the person that you are today.” - Desiree Motamedi
In this week’s episode, Mary sits down with Desiree Motamedi, Shopify’s VP Global Head of PMM. Desiree is a “get things done” type leader who values building strong, long lasting relationships and trust amongst her team. In this interview Desiree shares her thoughts on domain expertise - and how even if you’re not an expert, being an investigator and having a private eye for your product, paired with talking to your customers is a recipe for success and growing your career. Desiree also shares her insights on the factors she considers before promoting a launch such as really thinking about how it will move the needle for revenue and create external visibility.
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“I have always been attracted to opportunities where there is a challenge and an opportunity to learn something.” - Vidya Drego
In this week’s episode Mary sits down with Vidya Drego, who leads Product & Solutions Marketing at Hubspot to discuss her career path and how she landed in the product marketing space. Tune in to hear some amazing tips on how to prepare for a PMM interview and break into the industry. You’ll also hear Vidya advocate for the benefit of becoming confident in owning your area and strengths, and how that confidence plays into being a full stack product marketer. Being willing to learn, staying curious, and solving hard problems are all key components in driving your career.
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“The details of how you got to where you got or where you're going is less important than having conviction in yourself and understanding your strengths and weaknesses.” - Julia Szatar
In this week’s episode Mary sits down with Julia Szatar, who leads Product Marketing at Loom to discuss Messaging & Product Launches. Tune in to hear Julia’s perspective on how to test your messaging, balance the art and the science at play, and utilize a tiering system to help distinguish between different types of product launches. They also discuss the importance of having a product strategy and how that paves the way for a successful launch.
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In this week’s episode, Mary sits down with Jasmine Jaume, Intercom’s Director of PMM. Jasmine shares her insights on stakeholder management and how to build trust and nurture relationships with the product team and other product stakeholders. They also discuss the recent re-brand that Jasmine was a vital part of, and the difference between messaging, positioning, and copywriting. This is one of Jasmine’s specialties, as she’s had experience both establishing and re-establishing these assets at companies that are just starting out, or larger companies who are re-iterating the messaging hierarchy.
Other talking points:
-Jasmine is a big advocate for curiosity and mentorship
-Messaging is her jam
-Using data takes the emotion out of the decisions - it’s not “I think”, it’s “the numbers show…”, “customers are saying..”
-Tools used to drop in on sales calls, be privy to the conversations and what’s resonating and what’s not
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“We're the voice of the product to the customer, but our product voice should be manifested through our brand voice” - Jasmine Anderson Taylor
In this week’s episode Mary sits down with Jasmine Anderson Taylor, who leads PMM at Instacart, to discuss all things related to B2C. They focus the conversation around the ideal quantities for B2C marketers to have, the role that brand plays in product marketing and what that partnership looks like, as well as what your 30/60/90 entails at a new org. Another thing that Jasmine also emphasizes is the importance of a unique and diverse skill set across your team and why this is crucial to consider when hiring.
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“The messaging framework always starts with understanding:
In this week’s episode Mary and Priya are doing a deep dive on messaging. Join the conversation as they discuss Priya’s transition into product marketing, how she’s learned to be more strategic vs. tactical, and the core areas to focus on when creating impactful messaging. Priya also shares about the P.I.E model - no, not the tasty dessert, but performance, image, and execution. Tune in to hear more of her expertise and how to uplevel your messaging framework.
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“Cultivating strong relationships and not being afraid to ask for help has been important in terms of growing my career.” - Victoria Chin
In this week’s episode Mary sits down with Victoria Chin, who leads Product Marketing at Asana, to discuss product launches. They discuss common mistakes to avoid, making decisions around channels and metrics, and how product strategy paves the way for great launches.
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“Do not be shy about being curious - if something is not obvious, ask the question.” - Leah Brite
In this week’s episode Mary sits down with Leah Brite, who leads PMM at Gusto. Tune in to hear Leah’s perspective on being a woman in the tech industry, how she organizes her team based on the audiences they serve, and the importance of bringing your whole self to work and embracing the broad experience and unique perspectives that each team member and customer brings to the table. In addition to a reminder that kindness matters, this episode is loaded with goodies on how to filter your work to reflect what impacts topline KPI’s, sneaky competitive tips and tricks, and how to manage stakeholders using data to your advantage.
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“It’s not only about what you can get out of the experience but how can you help mentor or coach along the way” - Alina Fu
Alina Fu, a boomerang product marketing leader at Microsoft, shares advice on kicking off your career and what you should be thinking about, as well as discusses her recent AMA on Stakeholder Management. Her and Mary’s conversation is centered around tools to drive alignment cross-functionally on a global team in a remote working environment and the necessary check-points for gathering feedback as you’re preparing for a launch. They also define customer and product evangelism.
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Questions covered in this interview:
“Show up, be awesome, and speak in the language of your customers” - Natala Menezes
Natala Menezes, an inspiring product marketing leader at Grammarly, shares her insights on the steps to develop and execute a successful product launch, red flags to watch out for along the way, and how PMMs can be more involved in the product life cycle. Tune in to hear Natala and Mary discuss how to manage the partnership with the product team as well as add value and support.
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Claire is an avid golfer and PMM leader with a background in psychology who enjoys and specializes in zero to one product marketing and product led growth (PLG). She excels in the development and innovation of existing products as well as building new products to serve current and new customers. She and Mary discuss the art and science of the PMM craft, combining the psychology of habit forming with messaging, marketing, design, etc. Tune in to hear the framework for developing new products and the work that PMM is responsible for behind PLG.
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Alysia is a seasoned PMM leader and podcast host of the Women on Work show. In this interview she and Mary discuss end-to-end, full stack marketing and product launches. Alysia shares advice on how to better understand your buyer and identify your strengths to be a better leader. In this interview you’ll hear advice for your first product launch, and how to leverage your strengths to enable new opportunities.
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Meg is a proud single mother and marketing leader fighting and advocating for women in the tech world. In this interview her and Mary discuss how the pandemic has impacted working women and our roles as business leaders and caretakers. Another key focus of this interview is how to scale your company quickly and articulate what you do better than competitors prioritizing business impact. Tune in to hear how to become a leader of your subject matter, find both male and female allies, adapt to a virtual world, earn a seat at the table, gain confidence and be remembered, and ultimately believe in yourself and all that you are capable of.
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Jenna began her career in journalism and now leads the PMM team at Klaviyo. Her and Mary discuss strategizing and bringing new product lines to market, one of Jenna’s specialties. She is passionate and skilled at bringing new product lines to the market and especially enjoys storytelling. In this interview you’ll hear advice on evaluating the success of a product launch, recognizing the evolution of your product line and company narrative, how to structure your team and champion your own success in the tech world.
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It’s always fun to get a fresh perspective on the PMM career from someone who is new to the space. This week we’re chatting with Ashley, a newcomer to the PMM craft who was recently nominated for the PMM Newcomer of the Year award! Tune in to hear her journey and how she’s leaned into her past experiences to get to where she is today. With her eyes set on a future CMO role, she explains that it’s all about putting yourself out there, being willing to bet on yourself, and being comfortable being uncomfortable.
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Christy joins us this week to discuss a recent big product launch that her and her team did on her birthday! Tune in to hear why she recommends/ doesn’t recommend doing this and how her product launch came to life. Her and Mary debrief the product launch together and identify key components that make every launch successful (ie. troubleshooting what doesn’t go according to planned, the benefit of discovering issues in advance prior to the launch day, and how to prep and make sure you’re on track for deliverables). They also talk about launch narrative - ensuring that you have a clear narrative that tells a cohesive story in a competitive market.
Beyond product launches, they discuss PLG and the role of product marketers in a self-serve business. This includes understanding use cases, strategically making a splash in the market, creating consistency and standardization while still being creative, learning to scale and grow with your business and team, and ultimately keeping up with the pace of the org.
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Susan, aka Spark, joins us in this week’s episode sharing her journey into her current role, working on virtual reality work experiences. She has had a marathon career that has not come without sacrifice and hard work. In this interview Mary and Spark discuss the core PMM principles that have helped her and her team become successful across product marketing and launching products. They also discuss what it’s like to be female in a male dominated space, the importance of future proofing your next move whilst taking risks, and the transition from B2B advertising to B2B and B2C productivity. If there’s anything you take away from this interview it’s stay hungry, take risks, and don’t be afraid of new opportunities, even when they scare you. As Spark puts it, “if you’re not a little scared, are you really pushing yourself?”
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“Great marketing as a whole is just really understanding the human side of things.” - Agustina Sacerdote
Agustina, a recent mom and PMM leader, talks about how work has become more human and the value of integrating our personal and professional lives. Her and Mary also discuss various topics from what it’s like to work in a start-up environment, how to invent the PMM function at an organization and figure out what to build next, how to position your product and understand your customer, and really making sure that you are driving business impact and that those business decisions are tightly aligned with business outcomes. Many people think of product marketers as creatives, but playing the numbers game and analyzing data is what helps you keep a seat at the table.
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As an avid gamer and marketing expert, Amy has risen the ranks to become vice president and prominent leader in the PMM community. Tune in to hear her background and experience, the tools and skill sets she considers necessary to excel in your career, how she navigates and builds relationships with product management, and takes on the research and discovery phase. She also shares how she keeps a pulse on the market and advice on how you and your team can best compile your MRD.
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What does it take to be a successful marketer and achieve a VP role? In this week’s interview we are joined by Kimberly, who was recently promoted to vice president at a fast growing company. Mary and Kimberly discuss what steps she took leading up to this opportunity, how she’s approaching her 30/60/90 day plan, and how curiosity and an eagerness to learn have aided in the acceleration of her career. They also discuss how to scale your team – one of Kimberly's specialties.
Books recommendations:
Servant Warrior Leader by Phil Johnson
The First 90 Days by Michael D. Watkins
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Welcome back to the Women in Product Marketing podcast. In this week’s interview Katharine and Mary discuss how Katharine got good at building and starting PMM teams. This is a skill that Katharine has honed over time - you won’t want to miss her invaluable advice and how she encourages a “learn it all” attitude vs a “know it all”.
Other topics of conversation that Mary and Katharine discuss are inbound marketing, what to look for when evaluating a new role, how to orientate yourself and your team around the power center at a company, how the priorities of your team vary in a B2B vs B2C space , and how to manage a variety of categories.
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Welcome to season 3 of the Women in Product Marketing podcast. We cannot wait for you to hear from all of our superstar guests. While you wait for the new season to begin next week, join the conversation as Mary meets up with two fellow Sharebird hosts, JD Prater and Jeffrey Vocell. In this episode, they share advice for those trying to establish the function of product marketing at their business whether it's brand new or something you're trying to evolve.
JD is the host of the Thrills and Chills podcast, where he interviews seasoned PMM leaders on what it’s like to be the first PMM and how to establish product marketing at an organization. Jeffrey is the host of The Product Marketing experts where he interviews guests who have done AMA sessions on various topics including messaging, market research, developing your PMM career, product launches, sales enablement, stakeholder management, and influencing the product roadmap.
See you next week!
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Book Recommendations: Range by David Epstein and Making Movies by Sydney Lumet
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Check out Diana's episode on the Product Marketing Experts Podcast hosted by Marcus Andrews.
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Business Insider story: https://www.businessinsider.com/drift-cmo-tricia-gellman-motherhood-infertility-ivf-loss-career-2020-10
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Laura's book recos: Sprint by Jake Knapp or anything written by David & Tom Kelley.
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Seema's book recommendation: "Mindset" by Carol Dweck
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