Roughing the Pastor: Recent Episodes
Roughing The Pastor
Episode 102: The Theology of The Next Five Years
Wherein the Pastors return from a long hiatus to dig into where the church might be in five years hence. Along the way there’s talk of gorillas fighting polar bears, why it’s crazy that the next president will most likely be over 80, and J’s scheme to retire to Myrtle Beach with Tyler in ten years.
“I’m like someone who is from Toronto: I can speak French, but I can also pass as an American.”
Episode 101: The Theology of Winter Movies
Wherein J has the episode off as Tyler and Jimmy Dykstra walk through their top ten winter movies. Along the way there’s some talk how Harrison Ford hates making movies, why themes of fellowship and belonging are so important during this time of year, and why Jimmy picked Christmas movies for his list even though he doesn’t like Christmas movies.
“Yes, life is hard and it’s not going to end up the way you want it to, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not good.”
Episode 100: The Theology of Christmas Movies
Wherein Them Pastors bring the festive spirit and talk Christmas movies, each selecting three gems to highlight, and what those movies can tell us about the season. Along the way, there’s talk of the monarch of Christmas treats, Tyler annual tradition of buying J movies on iTunes, and an update on Whamageddon 2022.
“I wanted to be him, I wanted the beard the way he has…”
“I wanted to EAT HIM.”
Episode 99: The Theology of Spotify Wrapped
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by the Marvelous Ms. Christian Na to breakdown the annual musical diary that is Spotify Wrapped. Along the way, they discuss giant spiders that will haunt your dreams, why Apple Music is worth getting just for Joni Mitchell and Beyoncé, and what one album dominated half of J’s top ten songs of the year. There’s talk of the meaning behind the music we listen to, the story that we are trying to tell with the music that we use to underscore our lives, and what that music tells us about ourselves in return.
“I guess I’m a curious person, looking at this, and I’m someone who is a mess, but doesn’t mind it. And that’s kinda the story I’m seeing here. ”
Episode 98: The Theology of Thanksgiving 2022
Wherein Them Pastors get downright thankful - AGAIN!! J & Tyler continue the RTP tradition of each choosing ten things from culture that they are thankful for over the last 12 months. Along the way, they bring up the amazing fact that J’s church has a roller rink in it, Tyler eats a sandwich, and everyone comes to terms with the fact that Ewan McGregor is the best.
“Yeah, we are bi-coastal (if you count the Allegheny River as one of the coasts).”
Episode 97: The Theology of Midnights (Taylor’s Version)
Wherein Them Pastors return with special guests Christine Wagner and Jimmy Dykstra to dig into the latest record by Taylor Swift, the “concept album” Midnights. Along the way, they consider albums Taylor should cover, the song to teach twelve year olds how to swear, the song J wants to see covers of on YouTube, and consider the merits and detriments of one Mr. Jack Antonoff.
“She’s on the record the way LaCroix has actual flavor in it - it’s the essence of Lana Del Rey. ”
Episode 96: The Theology of The Heat Wave
Wherein Them Pastors are back at it to talk about the joys and perils of extreme weather, where one is pro cold weather and one is pro hot weather. Along the way, there’s talk of unplowed roads, the armpit of humidity, and the politics of beard management.
“I like when someone can wear pants and a t-shirt, and another can wear a hoodie and shorts, and you don’t feel like either of them is crazy.”
Episode 95: The Theology of Catching Up
Wherein Them Pastors are back after a break to talk about the beauty of catching up. They get into a conversation about the nature of relationships and the value of those that can be “picked up where we left off” and how we use (and abuse) relationships in the church. Along the way, there’s a new opening set of questions, talk of why J & Tyler never see each other in person, the buzz word of deconstruction (and the value of doing it), and whether pastors can be friends with people in their congregations.
“…and a Jay-Z song was on.”
Episode 94: The Theology of The 2022 Oscars.
Wherein we are back with a jumbo sized episode with Jimmy Dykstra filling in for J as we discuss the 2022 Academy Awards.
Along the way, there’s some talk about the slap (but only inasmuch as to say that it’s a very complicated issue that should start more conversation), a celebration of Our Lady of Gaga, and Jimmy is delightfully surprised by one of Tyler’s favorite movies of the year.
“E.T. is a little sloppy.”
Episode 93: The Theology of Wordle.
Wherein Them Pastors return to talk about that curious thing that everyone has been posting about on social media - Wordle.
Along the way, there’s practically a minisode’s worth of talk about the Winter Olympics and an assignment for require listening to prepare for a future episode.
“They should do two person luge face to face because it’s already ridiculous enough.”
Episode 92: The Theology of Taylor Swift
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by TWO GUESTS - Christine Wagner and Jimmy Dykstra - for the long requested deep dive into the music of Taylor Swift. Each of them bring their top five Taylor songs and compile a masterwork of a Taylor playlist (available for good times now on Tyler’s Spotify)
Along the way, there’s some talk of why Hogwarts house is a better analytical tool than Myers-Briggs, the phantom guest of J’s sister Jackie (whom he stole his top five from), and Tyler’s admission that he is, shocking no one, a jerk.
“This was great. This was very beautiful and also very weird at times, so that was fun. I was glad to be a part of it.”
Episode 91: The Theology of TikTok
Wherein Them Pastors are joined once again by the inimitable Rev. Cliff Haddox (@RevNGeek on TikTok & all things social media) to discuss the time travel app that is TikTok.
Along the way, there’s some talk of why Jonah is a bible story that evolves as you do, the evolving nature of what the church can be, and how let the algorithm learn what who you are.
“I came out all this way, I should at least see you burn all these people to the ground!”
Episode 90: The Theology of Making Things
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by the wonderful Rev. Cliff Haddox (@RevNGeek on TikTok & all things social media) to discuss the fine art of making things and how that helps us understand life, the universe, and everything a bit better.
Along the way, there is talk of Doctor Who scarves, saucy Myers-Briggs anecdotes, and the joy in screwing something up.
“Well, I guess everyone’s getting Harry Potter wands for Christmas!”
Episode 89: The Theology of Ted Lasso
Wherein Them Pastors discuss all things pertaining to the first two seasons of Ted Lasso - a show of hope, forgiveness, and the power to believe.
Along the way, there is talk of why someone would want to beat us up, why Scrubs was a great and terrible show, and the joy of a good Back to the Future reference.
“I can’t imagine ever being mad enough at someone to hit them - even if they hit me first.”
Episode 88: The Theology of Thanksgiving 2021
Wherein Them Pastors create their third annual Thanksgiving time capsule, giving thanks for all the things that they appreciated in the culture throughout the year that was 2021.
Along the way, there is some talk of Thanksgiving All-Star food items and the best weekend after Thanksgiving foods, and the return of Whammageddon.
“I kind of like that you are taking notes through this, it feels like I’m in some sort of counseling session.”
Episode 87: The Theology of Burnout
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by the Rev. Rebecca DePoe to talk about the very real and present issue of pastor burnout.
Along the way, there is discussion of the unclear nature of what is required and expected of pastors - video and computer skills, administrative skills, interpretive and oratory skills. They also have hope that the season of the pandemic can help us to let go of some of the bad habits that pastor and churches had fallen into but should let go of.
“TikTok is so trashy.”
”No it’s not. It’s just cats and people dancing.”
Episode 86: The Theology of Why
Wherein Them Pastors talk the simple question of why things happen, doing a rather deep dive into the book of Job.
Along the way, there is an episode of Heresy Corner (wherein the devil is robustly discussed), discussion on why even terrible NFL teams are better than great college teams, and some of the worst things you can say to someone who is suffering.
“I called the hospital and said “I don’t have $5000,’ and they immediately said “how about $200?”.”
Episode 85: The Theology The Unknown
Wherein Them Pastors talk about the fear that comes from not knowing what’s going to happen. There are tales of COVID tests, tight rope walkers, and getting punched in the face.
Along the way, there is some deconstructing the phrase “close personal relationship with Jesus Christ,” why God’s love is like a Game Genie, and an episode of the podcast within the podcast - “Jay’s Hot Takes.”
“I’ve found as many birthday cakes as I have found monsters in my closet - which is exactly three.”
Episode 84: The Theology Going Up The Hill
Wherein Them Pastors tell tales of going outside to find God by going up hills. There is peril, Rottweilers, hot dogs drinking out of hats, giant boulders, and the beauty of the unplanned experience.
Along the way, there is talk of the best burger between Pittsburgh and DC, flying across the country to combat sadness, and the bike boom of the pandemic.
“Just getting on a bike and saying ‘I don’t know what’s going to happen’ is really fun.”
Episode 83: The Theology of The Best Laid Plans
Wherein Them Pastors return from a months long hiatus to talk about false starts, unintended paths, and how we can make the most of them.
Along the way, there is talk of what they’ve been up to - Tyler’s new found adoration of Taylor Swift, the tale of J’s job opportunity that never materialized, and the long awaited return of their beloved house elf, Bartleby.
“#StickItToScooter”
Episode 82: The Theology of Tattoos
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by tattooer Stacy Fevinger to talk about the art and meaning behind tattooing and the connection and intimacy that’s involved in the process. Along the way, there’s talk of the B-52’s being the right kind of weird, the best two film versions of Beauty and the Beast, and grandmothers that cheat at cards.
Originally recorded using wax cylinders and period technology from the Edison Laboratory in New Jersey, this episode was thought to be lost to the ether due to a corrupted file, but was reconstructed with great care by Bartleby the House Elf over the course of several months. Please excuse the audio quality. Bartleby did his best.
“Don’t let anyone lie to you - every tattoo hurts.”
Episode 81: The Theology of Sad Songs
Wherein Them Pastors are kick off Season 3 of the podcast with a long gestating episode about sad songs (and why they are so good). Along the way, there’s talk about personal tragedy, record buying as a coping strategy, the healing that singing a song together can do when nothing else makes sense, why it’s okay to be sad, and why “Hey Ya” is one of the saddest songs ever written.
Also worth noting (per our fact checking House Elf Bartleby) virtually every date Tyler cites in this episode is wrong - e.g. Automatic for the People was actually released in 1991, etc. - so take note of that oversight.
“Get your eyeliner ready - it’s about to run on this one.”
Episode 80: The Theology of How The Sausage Gets Made
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by Dr. Carl Anderson once again to talk about that age old question - What do pastors DO all day? The trio talk about the process of writing and preparing a sermon, some different approaches to longer themes they are trying draw out, and the hope for how the congregation will respond. Along the way, there’s some Tom Hanks movie talk, J’s disdain for the word “pedigree,” and Tyler’s recurring issue with pastors who cry on cue.
“Jesus says ‘Shut up, you idiot.’ - that’s a paraphrase.”
Episode 79: The Theology of Lenten Practice
Wherein Them Pastors ruminate on the season we are entering into, what it means to practice, and why we are even doing it. Along the way, there’s talk of harrowing drives in the snow, skipping the Super Bowl, fancy boxes that watches come in, and why the church should never be the same after this.
“In Lent, we wear ties.”
Episode 78: The Theology of 2020
Wherein Them Pastors look back at the year that was, and particularly on the value in separating the good from the bad in a year that was more than what any of us expected. Along the way there is talk of Tyler’s calendar hack, J’s love for a good pep talk, why Cancel Culture isn’t quite the answer, and how time in quarantine can yield its own hidden blessings. There’s also some brief Wonder Woman 1984 reflections and Tyler’s TV comfort food that is the show Night Court. We also begin #FalconWatch2021.
“Pampers Diapers wants you to know that ‘Black Lives Matter.’”
Episode 77: The Theology of Insurrection
Wherein Them Pastors return to unpack the January 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol and the place (or lack thereof) for insurrection from the church. Along the way, there is some important discussion about the Kool-Aid Man, J’s realization that his office is sound proof, potential time travel, questions about the 2nd Amendment, and visits by Creative Writing Tyler, Historian Tyler, and Devil’s Advocate Tyler.
“When you start to put clothes on the Kool Aid Man, it makes me question, ‘was he naked up to this point’??”
Episode 76: The Theology of Thanksgiving 2020
Wherein Them Pastors create their second annual Thanksgiving time capsule, giving thanks for all the things that they appreciated in the culture throughout the year that was 2020. Along the way, there some talk of food temperature preferences, the dual roles of pastor and movie producer, and a subtle reminder that J likes Superman more than Batman.
“Outside of jokes about butts and smooches, it never really gets that crass.”
Episode 75: The Theology of The 2020 Election
Wherein Them Pastors sift through the rubble of the presidential election and try to make sense of it all, focusing on themes of patience, civility, truth, and trust. Along the way, there’s talk of what what we love best about being pastors, some Historian Tyler talk about the electoral college, and the three things that need to change in this country in the next decade or so to make things run better (but probably aren’t going to happen).
“Most voters are holding their nose when they are voting - in every election.”
Episode 74: The Theology of Christian Music
with Carl Anderson
Wherein Them Pastors are joined once again by the indefatigable Carl Anderson to talk about the oft maligned world of Christian music. The break down the good, the bad, and the ska of it all. Along the way, there’s talk of the perfect walk up song to the pulpit, what it’s like to where a clergy collar, and why Carl has gotten next level with his “dad joke” abilities.
“That should be on your business card - ‘Rev. Dr. Carl Anderson: Loud and Jesusy’.”
Episode 73: The Theology of Reboots 2: The New Batch
Wherein Them Pastors are back from an unscheduled month and a half off to reboot the podcast and fire things back up! They talk about storytelling and why it can be important to have different voices tell us the same story in new ways. Along the way, there some room for talk of pandemic fatigue, losing track of time, the perks of being old, and Tyler’s general distrust of coaches.
“The power of grace is at any point along the way looking at life and saying this isn’t the story I wanted to tell - and to take it in a different direction.”
Episode 72: The Theology of Black Panther
Wherein Them Pastors have returned and are joined by the brilliant Ralph Lowe to discuss the loss of Chadwick Boseman and the modern day classic Black Panther. Along the way, they discuss a new development in J’s personal grooming, the importance of T’Challa’s accent, and why having why having Bilbo Baggins as a pointless character in Black Panther is so important.
“It’s an affirmation of black beauty, black presence, and black power - in a way that is affirming, not diminishing any other power.”
Episode 71: The Theology of Back to the Future
Wherein Them Pastors are again joined by Rachel Jones to talk about the 1985 classic Back to the Future. Along the way, there is taxonomy talk, a brief detour about how believable Superman’s disguise as Clark Kent really is, and a cat throws up. Plus talk about fate, destiny, and why none of them would change the bad tragedies of the past.
“I probably would not be doing what I’m doing right now if I hadn’t done what felt like a huge, monumental mess up at the time.”
Episode 70: The Theology of Animal Crossing
Wherein Them Pastors are joined once again by pre-Dr. Rachel Jones to talk about the joyous phenomenon that is Animal Crossing. Along the way, they talk about weird names of animal groupings, playing NHL on easy, the beheading of John the Baptist, and trying to find the rails.
“It feels like the game points out what our natural instincts are, and we keep running away from that in our regular life.”
Episode 69: The Theology of Newspapers
Wherein Them Pastors are do an impromptu guest-less episode due to some technical difficulties with the episodes they thought they had all lined up. Instead, they discuss the value of physical newspapers and the overall concept of presence - particularly in the midst of social distancing. Along the way, there’s talk about the best game plan for outsmarting a genie, the cosplay genius of John Lewis, the best sign at J’s going away party, and the proper way to hold the New York Times.
“You can maybe eat a donut the next day, but if you try to eat a donut like five days later it’s actual garbage.”
Episode 68: The Theology of LGBTQI+
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by the inimitably helpful and knowledgeable Sierra Van Dijk to talk about all things LGBTQI+! Along the way, they talk about what they’d like to do TEDx talks on, representation on television, why ABBA is a really great band, and Tyler gets to tell his favorite joke about Engineers.
“The church doesn’t understand much outside of traditional, straight marriage.”
Episode 67: The Theology of Hamilton
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by the wonderful Sofia Na to talk about a little musical called “Hamilton.” Along the way, we hear Sofia’s spot on impersonation of an unsung Muppet, recount the tale of the Singing Bee Duel from 2016 that shocked the world, and puzzle over some interpretations of the father mesmerizing final five seconds of the musical.
“This is a musical that raps about banking policy??”
Episode 66: The Theology of Transition
Wherein Them Pastors are back together again to bring you some big news of J’s new job. Along the way, we hear a bit about Tyler’s trip out west, living in between the end of one thing and the start of another, and what church you should go to if you need to use the bathroom.
“Did you pass them a note during study hall saying ‘Yes, I will go out with you’?”
Episode 65: The Theology of the Best of the 1980s
Wherein Them Pastors (or half of Them Pastors) are joined by chronic guest Jimmy Dykstra to discuss the best movies of the culture saturated decade that was the 1980s. J was called out on a secret mission, but Jimmy brings the heat with a list of 30 great movies from the last decade that he never lived in.
“At a certain point, movies and art are reflection of God’s spirit in this world and in human creativity and experience.”
Episode 64: The Theology of Black Lives Matter
Wherein Them Pastors welcome the brilliant Ralph Lowe, Director of Justice Ministries at Pittsburgh Presbytery, to talk about why black lives matter, the trouble with anytime we reframe away from that message, and why relationship is the key toward systematic change. We have a full fledged conversation about the value of the time we are in right now, and some of the right and wrong ways that we can respond to it.
Along the way, there’s some talk of the glory of MC Hammer’s 2 Legit 2 Quit tour, why using the character Snake is basically cheating at Smash Bros, and one final (brief) entry in the “CrossFit is not a sport” saga.
“Nothing burps better than bacon.”
Episode 63: The Theology of Why We Love The Church
Wherein Them Pastors welcome the Rev. Charissa Howe to the show to talk about the church - not just what’s wrong with it, but why we still love it. Along the way, there is talk of the cultural value of Walt Disney and William Shakespeare, why Fozzie Bear is the Ringo of the Muppets, and whether or not CrossFit is a sport.
“I don’t want to live in a world where there’s no ’Sk8ter Boi’.”
Episode 62: The Theology of Mover Scott
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by super special guest, Scott Durbin of the Imagination Movers! We talk with Scott about what it’s like to start up a children’s show and band and how that became a true calling to teach kindness and curiosity to young people. Along the way, we talk about Scott’s experience growing up as the son of a pastor who was a hospital chaplain, why Mover Scott is a variation on Will Ferrell, how great music doesn’t have to be limited to a certain age, the importance of Mister Rogers, how fortune cookies can preach the best sermons, and why Daredevil is such a great super hero.
And we don’t talk about Fight Club.
“Failure is part of the process,; failure informs future decisions and future actions.”
[Stick around after the outro for some bonus Movers questions and a special treat from J.]
Episode 61: The Theology of Finding Yourself
Wherein Them Pastors are joined once again by friend of the show Jimmy Dykstra to talk about Jimmy’s two month road trip, and why the mystique of going on a journey to find yourself resonates so much. Along the way there’s talk of who Jimmy is really named after (hint, it’s a pirate and a boss), what Jesus was actually writing in the sand, and the power of a well placed pop song from the mid-90s when you don’t have the emotional bandwidth to process an overwhelming experience.
“The aloneliness of it should not be underestimated.”
Episode 60: The Theology of Sentimentality
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by the Rev. Dr. Carl Anderson to talk about the trials and travails of sentimentality in the church. Along the way there’s talk of Michael Jordan, milk in paper bags, J’s fateful meetings with Mario Lemieux, Tyler’s brain rebooting because he can’t remember a movie, youth group games named after Carl, and marathoning as a way of being the church.
“I find it fascinating to watch ESPN try to talk about anything when there’s no sports.”
Episode 59: The Theology of Heaven & Hell (Two Perspectives)
Wherein Them Pastors go into a vacuum to each give you their perspectives on heaven and hell. Along the way, they talk about the best movie trailers to the worst movies, the best sport to watch (that isn’t one of the big five), and how J is reverting back to his IUP days in the midst of this quarantine.
“God doesn’t send people to Hell.”
Episode 58: The Theology of Vinyl Records
Wherein Them Pastors dive into their record collections to opine on the experience that vinyl brings that requires slowing down and being present in a way that we don’t often make space for. Along the way there’s talk of Tyler getting sick in the midst of the quarantine, getting stuck in elevators with a whole pot of coffee, and why driving a van filled with sleeping people is the worst.
“This record has a time - this record is best played in the morning…”
Episode 57: The Theology of Prayer
Wherein Them Pastors talk about the beautiful, confusing, and often difficult practice of prayer. Along the way, they talk about how the Imagination Movers and The Leftovers are getting us through the quarantine, the dream of owning a dolphin or a polar bear, what the TikTok algorithm tells you about yourself, and the guilt of non-essential Amazon purchases.
“…a parrot just might be a jerk you have to take care of for the rest of your life.”
Episode 56: The Theology of Knives Out
Wherein Them Pastors split up and Tyler is joined by Pre-Dr. Rachel Jones to have a spoiler talk on the movie brilliant 2019 movie Knives Out. But first, J & Tyler have a robust conversation about movies they saw that they were too young for at the time, and try on a few new rapid fire questions for future guests. There’s also some residual enneagram talk, and more Chris Kattan mentions than you would expect.
SPOILERS BEGIN AT 26 MINUTES IN!
“I don’t know if you’ve heard this, but newsflash everybody: the knives are not in anymore - the knives are out.”
Episode 55: The Theology of The Enneagram
Wherein Them Pastors are finally joined by the Rev. Brian Wallace, Enneagramist extraordinaire for a full fledged breakdown of the Enneagram. Along the way, you get a robust dissection of what makes good hot wings, Tyler’s refusal to accept that Toy Story could be considered a Disney movie, and a thorough bonus break down of the Myers-Briggs. 84 minutes of infotainment brought to you in spite of a global pandemic and a poor internet connection.
“I’m about to throw my computer against the wall.”
Episode 54: The Theology of Twins
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by two separate guests. First, Jay Peffer joins them to talk about high school band, theater kids’ traditions, and how the Rockin’ Roller Coaster at Disney World marks one of the last gasps of rock and roll. Then, Justin Manon sneaks in through the air ducts to talk with J about fostering, adoption, and what it’s like to be a parent to twins.
“There’s a unique chaos that exists in the parenting of twins that you almost have to live it to experience it.”
Episode 53: The Theology of Social Distancing
Wherein Them Pastors kick off season 2 of the podcast in the midst of a global pandemic and sheltering at home. They look at what Social Distancing means for us, as well talking about shameful eating, the weirdness of doing church remotely, emulating Ben Gibbard, cheating at NBA 2K20, and why living in the exile isn’t aways such a bad thing. The episode concludes with contributions from several guests letting us know what community looks like even when we are in isolation.
“This cup represents the bottom of the pot, and it’s only 1pm. My heart’s going to explode!”
[Corrected]
Episode 52: The Theology of the Podcast
Wherein Them Pastors wrap up Season 1 of RTP by looking back at a year of podcasting. They walk through some of their favorite moments in the podcast so far, why Tyler is still drinking out of a water bottle he bought ten years ago at a gas station, and how the podcast has helped them get to know people better who they always wanted to know.
“It says on it ‘Light My Fire,’ which I just noticed. So that’s exciting.”
[Don't worry, Season 2 starts next week!]
Episode 51: The Theology of the Background
Wherein Them Pastors discuss the importance of bine in the background (especially for leaders). Along the way, there’s a debate about Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse, behind the scenes tales of Tom Hanks’ Mister Rogers movie and of some potentially dumb Kristin Stewart movie, and discuss the heretic Rob Bell.
“Being a leader is not being a shepherd - it’s being a sheep that knows the voice of the shepherd.”
Episode 50: The Theology of the Rewatch
Wherein Them Pastors here for their 50th episode to talk about why it is that we rewatch movies and tv that we love, and what that might help us understand about God.
Along the way, they talk about dial-up internet memories, accidentally watching things on TV, comfort in familiar media, how much more emotional it is to see comedians in dramatic roles, lament the overwrought nature of latter day Scrubs, and Arnold Schwarzenegger stops buy to yell.
“Fiction helps us get past the sleepy dragons of our logic.”
Episode 49: The Theology of Bullet Journaling
Wherein Them Pastors are back in the studio to talk about presence and intentionality in the form of a bullet journal, and how practice can lead us to growth and change. Along the way, they talk about the upcoming thrill of Leap Day, swimming with dolphins, say no to CrossFit, and take on the #NoPlasticForLent challenge.
“If your process overwhelms what your purpose is, that’s a problem.”
Episode 48: The Theology of White Supremacy
Wherein Them Pastors come to you again from Studio West in Seattle, Washington with special guests Rob Bradford and Jimmy Dykstra to talk about white supremacy and white privilege. Class is in session as Rob breaks down the systemic problems of privilege and supremacy in our culture and then they all try to figure out what the church can do about this (and what God is calling us to do about it). Everything is 100% resolved and solved by the end. Before the heavy lifting, they discuss what modern day item that could be sent back into the past to most affect the future, they are joined by some hot mics that pick up all the noises of life, and J gets an early visit from the Sandman.
“The church is dying…but what if racial reconciliation was the thing that ‘saved’ the mainline denominations?”
Episode 47: The Theology of Anger
Wherein Them Pastors venture out to Seattle, Washington to join Rob Bradford (as well as good old Jimmy Dykstra) for a discussion on anger. Along the way, there’s plenty of Enneagram talk, talks of doing embarrassing things in the White House, and Rob picks a fight with all the Slytherins. They also break down what makes them angry, whether anger is a good thing or not, and how Jesus used anger.
“I guess when you put it like that, that’s exactly what happened.’”
Episode 46: The Theology of The F-Word
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by pal Liam O’Donnell coming to you from the illustrious Phoenix Hotel in the heart of San Francisco, Coolifornia to talk to you about swears. They break down why pastors tend to swear more when they get together in groups, how Tyler got his mouth washed out with actual soap after swearing on the bus, and break down the difference between “offensive” words and words associated with violence and power. Along the way, we talk about living in movie universes and concerts, and and yet still keep it all PG so you can still listen with reckless abandon.
“This is ‘Roughing the Pastor: After Dark!’”
Episode 45: The Theology of Movies on Airplanes
Wherein Them Pastors come to you live from the San Francisco International Airport. We hear about the flight with over 100 streaming movies, which set forth a challenge between the pastors to serve up hand selected movies to each other, and they reflect on the experience, as well as putting it into perspective with their trip into San Francisco. Along the way, they discuss airport rituals, whether having an airport terminal named after you is really that much of an honor, and favorite airport snacks.
“What is happening in this movie??”
Episode 44: The Theology of Beyoncé
Wherein Them Pastors discuss the Queen Bey with guest Isabel Johnson. Along the way, there is talk of time travel, space travel, and why there is a generational gap between the desire to go to space and go back in time. They then walk through a feast of Beyoncé tracks, breaking down why she is an important artist (even if she’s not your jam), and the importance of confidence, representation, and controlling the narrative. There’s also a visit or two from the Context Robot to set things right. We also planted a game in this episode: How many times do our hosts (and guest) say the phrase “100%”? If you want to go advanced, tell us exactly how many times each person said it in this hour long episode.
The person who tells us the right numbers just might get a fancy prize…
(also, see the corresponding Spotify playlist for this episode on the RTP Twitter page).
“100%.”
Episode 43: The Theology of Garbage
Wherein Them Pastors talk about how hard it can be to let go of things, even when we know that we need to. Along the way, they clean out the basement, spend time in downtown Los Angeles, and J finds a wallet. They also extol the virtues of the iPhone, muse on the penny farthing bicycle, and an update on J’s bullet journaling progress.
“Yeah, it’s perfect. You only know the words when you are inebriated.”
Episode 42: The Theology of Lost Keys
Wherein Them Pastors talk about the celebration of Epiphany (January 6), which is the official end of the Christmas season, and what it means to discover things that weren’t quite what you were looking for. Along the way, there’s some recap of J’s horrible New Year’s Eve, why Pinterest and why Tik Tok are so addictive even if you don’t understand how they work, and the super creepy verse in a popular Christmas carol. They also examine why Home Alone is great, and Home Alone 2 is not, despite them being essentially the same movie.
“Oh yeah… That’s my favorite holiday to not like.”
Episode 41: The Theology of Reboots
Wherein Them Pastors close out the year (and the decade) by talking all about starting over. They talk about the times when reboots go wrong, and when reboots can be really helpful, and how repentance is simply a call to change our hearts and minds - which everyone can use. Along the way, there is some New Year’s Eve traditions talk, Y2K panic, Spider-man reboots, and why the setting goals is important only if you make room for failing at them.
“I’m Barbara Walters, and this is 2020.’”
Episode 40: The Theology of The Incarnation
Wherein Them Pastors get down to the real reason for the season - God WITH us. They unpack the idea of the incarnation, and the church’s tendency to leapfrog over that to get to the resurrection (and why we shouldn’t do that). Along the way, there is a discourse about what makes a movie a Christmas movie, which Christmas songs are the best, J’s love of the mall (except during Christmas), and Tyler explains why your nativity set is wrong, ruining it forever.
“That’s their name - Q’Pewgoer. It’s French Huegonot.’”
A SPECIAL (sort of) MINISODE FROM ROUGHING THE PASTOR
Wherein Them Pastors get together mere moments after J left the theater to discuss Star Wars, Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker.
Tyler & J discuss whether or not they thought it was a fitting end to the Skywalker Saga, how ghost logic works, and what this movie might have to say to us in 2019.
SPOILERS ABOUND!
Episode 39: The Theology of Star Wars (Sequel Trilogy)
Wherein Them Pastors conclude their trilogy of trilogies by focusing on the 2/3rds of the Star Wars Sequel trilogy.
Along the way, they not only spoil the plots to The Force Awaken and The Last Jedi, but also a major plot point of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. They also ruminate on the wonder that is the midnight movie, get into the weeds about the Denver International Airport, and why these sequel movies are all about boomers and millennials and the church. Clearly.
“Is Kingdom of the Crystal Skull worse than the aggregate of the prequels?”
Episode 38b MINISODE:
ADDENDUM TO The Theology of Star Wars (Prequel Trilogy)
Wherein Tyler (sans J) is joined by Rachel Jones to get an alternate take on the Prequels and to talk about how much better things are when there is a diversity of thought and voice within the community.
Episode 38: The Theology of Star Wars (Prequel Trilogy)
Wherein Them Pastors continue with part two of the “Trilogy of Trilogies” with a focus on the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy. There is more anti-praise thrown on George Lucas, talk of Obi Wan’s fake beard, dumbfounded reactions to the racist characterizations prevalent in 1999 cinema, and surfing on tick cows. There’s also talk of J & Tyler’s favorite non-Star Wars sci-fi properties, the concept of the “mystery box,” and the problematic nature of origin stories.
“How do you get a kid from “Oops!” to ultimate evil in the universe? It’s not through emo romance or bad dreams that can be solved with Ambien.”
Episode 37: The Theology of Star Wars (Original Trilogy)
Wherein Them Pastors finally get to the long teased conversation on the original trilogy of Star Wars. There is much talk of the right order to watch the Star Wars movies (and which ones to skip), the goodness of some of the animated Star Wars series, and why Disney+ is making the world a better place. We also get a front row seat to Tyler’s TED Talk on why George Lucas is overrated and should not be allowed near any new Star Wars properties.
“The Seventies were a different time, guys!”
Episode 36: The Theology of The Thanksgiving List
Wherein Them Pastors get downright thankful! J & Tyler each choose ten things from culture that they are thankful for to put in the “Thanksgiving time capsule” (you know, that old tradition…). Along the way, they break down their favorite non-Trinity bible characters, parse out when it’s okay to listen to Christmas music, and perhaps even talk a little about Thanksgiving food.
“GROW UP, CHRISTIANS! Jeez…”
Episode 35: The Theology of Theater
Wherein Them Pastors welcome their very special guest, Isabel Johnson and opine on the many virtues of live theater. Along the way, they ponder the need for Starbucks coffee to be too darn hot, whether or not they would want to end their time on earth as birds, and why Gryffindors and Slytherins are misunderstood. They then settle in to why theater is great, no matter whether you are on the stage, in the crew, or in the pit. And flamingos can totally fly.
“Shout out to all our Cornell listeners!”
Episode 34: The Theology of Armistice Day
Wherein Them Pastors welcome the modern day peace-maker, Rev. Matt Fricker to wrestle with the notion of armistice and what it means to make lasting peace. Along the way they get into a heated debate about whether a hot dog is a sandwich (in which J reveals himself to be a sociopath), have the quickest run-through of the “guest questions” ever, and insult our guest within five seconds of the actual show starting. This episode also digs deep into what it means to be a soldier, including the emotional and psychological cost, and whether a world without war is a possible thing. It also digs into being people of reconciliation, and how that is different than forgiveness.
This episode does touch on the topic of suicidal ideation (without any graphic detail) particularly in the context of a soldier experiencing PTSD. It is handled with care in the episode and will not catch you off guard, but know that this episode deals with some heavier things.
Episode 33: The Theology of Getting Older
Wherein Them Pastors wrestle with their own mortality as, Lordy, Lordy, Tyler turns 40. This leads to conversations about which age you would return to, runaway dogs, and the 1990 Jim Belushi movie Mr. Destiny. They also tackle showing your work in math, hoarding memories & experiences, the development of list of things you will never do, and the importance of using the “earned” respect of being old to empower others who are younger than you.
“Snapchat was the first technology that made me feel old because I realized I just don’t care.”
Episode 32: The Theology of Reformation Day
Wherein Them Pastors come at you just in time for the celebration this Thursday of everyone’s favorite holiday - Reformation Day! Along the way, they will journey through ghost stories and spooky houses, a life threatening thunderstorm, death threats against radical monks. They also how easy it is to be against people whom you have never met, the allure of believing that your personal experience is the normal one (on which everyone else’s experience should be judged against), and the difference between protesting and reforming (and how there is a time for both).
“The moral is don’t come to a lock-in with J unless you’re prepared to be terrified.”
Episode 31: The Theology of Scary Movies (and Halloween Revisited)
Wherein Them Pastors look at some of the reasons why we like scary movies (well, why Tyler likes scary movies), and what that can tell us about God. Along the way, Bartleby shows up early to enforce a revisit and unpacking of last episode’s Halloween episode. There’s also lots of talk about the best - and worst - Halloween candy, Jeff Goldblum impersonations, stories of how The Ring scared them beyond belief, and why The Santa Clause is a body horror movie.
“He had a heart attack while he was on a roller coaster and texting!”
Episode 30: The Theology of Halloween
Wherein Them Pastors tackle the most unlikely of Christian holidays - Halloween. Along the way, they discuss past Halloween costumes, whether zombies are scarier when they are fast or when they are slow, sum up the book of Revelation, and they tackle the question of who is the king of all monsters.
“I love Old Man Freyer!”
Episode 29: The Theology of Fear
Wherein Them Pastors are back to discuss what Fear says about us and about God. They get into some of their fears of horses and geese, and how scary a garage can be at night. Along the way there’s some talk of songs we are scared to admit we like, how fear is a sign of something else, and how Tyler will likely die one day from falling off of a roller coaster.
“Horses are so entitled!”
This week's regular episode is going to be delayed by a few days, so in the meantime, here is a special MINISODE, featuring Tyler and a very special guest talking about the creativity that comes from Minecraft and how that can help us see the world a little differently!
This week's full episode will be here soon!
Episode 28: The Theology of The Best of the 2010s
Wherein Them Pastors are joined again by friend of the show Jimmy Bruce Dykstra and go an epic journey through the cinematic landscape of the last decade to pick out the ten best (or rather, two variations on the ten best). Along the way, they discover the MacGyver like ingenuity of bringing a straw to your popcorn party, Jimmy’s hatred of all things child-like, J’s relative blindspot for movies without people wearing capes, and Tyler’s secret plan of as many movies with Star Wars actors in them as possible. Our journey takes us close to past the 150 minute mark, so it’s advised that you listen to this episode in multiple sittings, but hope you enjoy it nonetheless.
Check the RTP Twitter account for links to the full lists!
“When you came down to your number ones, both of you felt seen by the movies.”
Episode 27: The Theology of Being Late
Wherein Them Pastors go on the road for a recording at the Pittsburgh Theological Seminary to discuss a very persistent issue: being late. Along the way, we hear tales of Tyler’s favorite Batmobile toy (which was lost too soon), J’s uncanny ability to be Clark Kent, the middle school axiom that has guided J’s life of punctuality, and the struggle with trying to squeeze too much into too little time.
“The new school year is an opportunity for reinvention.”
Episode 26: The Theology of Mixtapes
Wherein Them Pastors finally talk about the lost art of making mixtapes. They break down the science, particularly how a band like 311 can really foul up a tape and how the act of creating something for someone else is an important act of community even if you do it alone. Along the way, they’ll be some talk about life without cell phones, the toxic way to do youth ministry, and shots are fired over the bough of our rival podcast.
PLUS stick around for the Mystery Sound Challenge!
“If you’ve put way too much time into it, that’s exactly enough time.”
Episode 25: The Theology of Stranger Things
Wherein Them Pastors dig into the a discussion about the Netflix show Stranger Things (with some spoilers, but as they mention in the episode, it’s hard to spoil this show so listen on even if you haven’t watched the show). They get there by way of tales of shameful eating, and they welcome Bartleby back from his vacation up north, and see how the themes of friendship and being seen are parallels in the church and in Hawkins, Indiana.
“‘Public Displays of Bravado’ is the name of our first album!”
Episode 24: The Theology of Blowing It
Wherein Them Pastors talk about screwing up, and why that’s okay. Along the way, you’ll get an extended conversation about the best and worst months of the year, the importance of forgiveness, and Tyler sings ‘Jesus Loves Me’ in Swahili.
“Shut up everybody! I’m trying to be positive!
Episode 23: The Theology of Marching Band
Wherein Them Pastors talk about the all encompassing community that is high school marching band. Along the way, you hear a bit about Tyler’s job protecting a giant baseball shaped golf cart for the Atlanta Braves, what J is willing to do for free pizza, tips on beating the summer heat, and bring it back to the heretic Rob Bell.
“I was so cool for a day because I had “Snake” on my phone.’”
Episode 22: The Theology of TMBG
Wherein Them Pastors are joined once again by nearly-Dr. Rachel Jones to talk about all things They Might Be Giants - the band you both know about and know nothing about. Along the way, we get into some conversation about desert island discs, the joy in not being desperate, the appeal of genuine community (and how the church often fails to demonstrate that). We also have some conversation about LGBTQ+ connections to the church, the difficulty of “conversion” as “mission”, and Tyler puts himself in a time out.
“John Coltrane is inaccessible to novice listeners??’”
Episode 21: The Theology of Writing Fanfic
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by Pre-hd Musicologist Rachel Jones to talk about the wonders of fandom and the thriving world of fanfic. We get there by way of discussing our favorite Beatle, some discussion on intersectionality, and enter into the fandom conversation by way of Harry Potter. We also get in a little Doctor Who talk and some niche nerd-dom.
“Like a Krispy Kreme, you should have a sign up - ‘HOT TAKES NOW!’”
Episode 20: The Theology of What’s In My Bag
Wherein Them Pastors are flying without a guest for the first time in two months, so they decided to have a show and tell episode about what is in their bags. Along the way, there is a bit talk about Howard the Duck, some Stranger Things talk, anecdotal discussion of Thomas Edison’s hiring processes, broach the mystery that is Heathcliff comics, and why you should travel with an emergency copy of Dune in your car at all times. This is also probably the closest they have come to doing an ASMR friendly episode. There’s lots to see (or have described to you) and hear in this episode that fulfills 2 of the 5 senses!
“The idea of blowing your nose in a handkerchief is just as disgusting to them as it should be to us.”
Episode 19: The Theology of Dogs
Wherein Them Pastors are joined once again by the ever excitable Gill Lawhead to talk all things dogs (and why they are certainly in heaven). Along the way, they discuss what extended universe would be the best to live in, why Air Bud is the best dog ever, who’s life we’d like to swap with, what the perfect size of dog is, and which is the best birthday song.
“She was rescued on National Popcorn Day - Praise the Lord!”
Episode 18: The Theology of Mission Trips
LIVE on July 24th, 2019
at the New Wilmington Mission Conference
on the Westminster College campus.
Wherein Them Pastors speak to a room of people about all things mission - the good, the bad, and the colonial. Apologies for the quality of the audio. The board wasn’t set up correctly thanks to the local house elves who we weren’t familiar with…
“Jesus is already there.”
Episode 17: The Theology of Mental Health
Wherein Them Pastors are by the effervescent Gill Lawhead!
We talk about how cool snowboarders look, the inequality of men’s bathrooms vs. women’s bathrooms, and . Gill walks us through her story of seeking who she is and discovering that she was suffering from depression - which eventually became her superpower. We talk about the importance of mental health for everyone, and how managing your mental health looks different for every person.
“Have you been in a Nordstrom bathroom? They have really nice couches in there.”
Episode 16: The Theology of Slight of Hand
Wherein Them Pastors are joined once again by Jimmy Bruce Dykstra to talk about seeing the “tricks” of church and how it makes you see the rest of the world.
We also explore J’s passionate dislike of DC Talk which leads us into another minisode of “Good Christian Stuff” which leads us into a history of the band Gungor. They also visit the brilliant Instagram of “PreachersNSneakers,” discuss the importance in acknowledging racism, identify the problem with “raising awareness,” and ask the important question of where we fit into the church.
“Tyler, I never forget that you are 14 years older than me.’”
Episode 15: The Theology of Tom Cruise
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by the one and only Jimmy Dykstra, who is desperate to talk about the one and only Tom Cruise. In a journey that leads through some very strong feelings about dodgeball, the sordid tale of wallet bean toss, the brilliant premise for Groundhog Day 2, the correct way to say “GIF,” Mariah Carey’s irresistible “All I Want For Christmas is You,” the best movie of the 2010’s, and suddenly, Ryan Gosling - we end up in a conversation about emotional authenticity.
“At least every three years, Tom Cruise wakes up and says, ‘You know what this world needs? Another Mission: Impossible movie.’”
Episode 14: The Theology of Doubt Night
Wherein Them Pastors are once again joined by the brilliant Rev. Laura Bentley as they dig into the topic of doubt. Along the way, they offer up some unused baby names, discover how Bentley came to be known as “Bentley” vs. “Laura”, and hear the tale of the most important rock-paper-scissors game. J tells how youth pastor laziness led to the genius of “Doubt Night” and how that event moved from the youth room to the bar. They discuss the essential importance of doubt and questions in a healthy life of faith, the helpful role model of “Doubting” Thomas, the necessary broadening of community needed in the church, and wrestle with existential questions from a six year old.
“Can I see your toes?”
Episode 13: The Theology of the 2019 World Cup
Wherein Them Pastors are joined by their first actual guest: the very awesome and very Rev. Laura Bentley! We talk about how Bentley and J met (it involved J’s Carter Beauford-like drumming prowess), how Bentley and Tyler met (involving how they were fast friends before they ever actually met), and all sorts of other bric a brac and rare knick-knackery. They also cover Daddy/Daughter Dances, sexism & gender inequality in sports (and the church), and the rough waters navigated by women in ministry.
Also - platupi fun facts, the satisfactorily barely adequate American accent of Emma Watson, and the precious secret origins of AIM screen names - and that’s just in the first 25 minutes!
“My patronus is a death-eater.”
Episode 12: The Theology of Han Shooting First (or Biblical Inerrancy)
Wherein Them Pastors use the infamous deviation from Star Wars orthodoxy as a jumping off point for a robust conversation about how literally we are supposed to read the Bible. Along the way, they take some trips into who the coolest letter is, why worship is set up the way that it is, whether or not there is water in space, and get a visit from THEIR VERY FIRST GUEST (who has a very confusing accent).
There’s also a breakdown of which version of “Take Five” is the correct one and a walk through an important chapter of the Bible that’s about three parties no one wants to go to.
“MEXICO!”
Episode 11: The Theology of Napping
Wherein Them Pastors take things a bit less controversial by talking about naps. Seriously. They also breakdown what the best song is to walk into a room, mercifully sidestep a lengthy conversation about Dave Matthews Band, the confusing myth of the “coffee nap,” and highlight how hard it is to say “yes” to anything without saying “no” to something else.
“I’ve never experienced a couch that’s more comfortable than any couch in a youth room.”
Episode 10: The Theology of Ice Cream & Cow Manure, Part 2
Wherein Them Pastors CONTINUE to play with fire! POLITICS! They journey through the J’s regular subtweeting of a certain president, why the US economy isn’t really a capitalist system, the dangers of autofill, and the necessity of the separation of church and state. This episode is PART 2 of the discussion from earlier this week, so listen to that one first (Theology of Ice Cream & Cow Manure, Part 1).
“There was a time when Japan was really on target to be the dominant world power, but then their economy imploded - mainly because of the Sega Dreamcast.”
Episode 9: The Theology of Ice Cream & Cow Manure, Part 1
Wherein Them Pastors play with fire! POLITICS! OH NO! This is such a big topic that there will be TWO episodes this week: Part 1 on Monday, and Part 2 on Thursday. Part 1 has J & Tyler walking through their political biographies, trying to figure out whether Tyler’s parents would vote for Pat Robertson or Jesse Jackson, how much SNL impersonations influenced how we voted, why George W. Bush would be a fun guy to spend the day with, and parse out who voted for Barack Obama more. Overall, the goal is to have a conversation about things that we “aren’t supposed to talk about,” but in reality that we desperately need to have. We also have a first in that we beep out a bunch of swears (mostly from J). Join us for Part 1, and look for Part 2 to drop on Thursday!
“As a kid you think, ‘the president is the president. Everybody likes him or he wouldn’t be the president.’”
Episode 8: The Theology of Children’s Television
Wherein Them Pastors break down J’s master plan on how to defend against bullies when he was a kid, explain why Elmo is the ruination of most everything, and prove that they are smarter than those fools on the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. They also break myths about Mister Rogers and perpetuate ones about Bob Ross. And, they tie kids’ shows back to Game of Thrones (naturally).
“That domino didn’t fall right - but look at all the ones that did!”
Episode 7: The Theology of Being at the Game
Wherein Them Pastors save the world with impressions, discuss Jason’s true religion, how Tyler knows that there are three periods in hockey (and that’s about it), and living in a world of over abundance. They also start a new limited segment called “Good Christian Things” (with actual recommendations of “Christian” things) and deal with how Netflix keeps trying to get Tyler to watch The Human Centipede.
“We should just call this podcast ‘All That!’”
Episode 6: The Theology of Weezer
Wherein Them Pastors take a deep dive into the music of Weezer and what a band that seems to have simultaneously stopped caring a long time ago and yet still cares way too much can tell us about the church. Join us for an exploration of what it means to find music, to love music, to feel let down by music, and then to recapture what about music made you feel great in the first place. (Also that same sentence, but with the word “church” in place of the word “music”).
"It has a formula: verse, chorus, guitar solo, GET OUT!"
Episode 5: The Theology of Riding the Bike
Wherein Them Pastors talk about pranks involving bigfoot costumes and watches from the future, the anti-theft device that is a “Huffy” decal, the theatrical reveals of Pittsburgh, and what keeps us from wonder.
“Oh no, this is terrible…Let’s keep going.”
Episode 4: The Theology of Secular Easter
Wherein Them Pastors talk theology with Albert Einstein on a roller coaster, wax philosophical on science’s perfect food, and get into a fundamental disagreement which could serve to derail the whole future of the podcast - over Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups.
“If you worship a god that is afraid of your vampire costume, you don’t worship a god that is big enough.”
Wherein Them Pastors walk through the Marvel Cinematic Universe, exploring Tyler’s reluctance to jump in, and Jason having been right all along.
“Holy cow! They made the pig work!”
Wherein Them Pastors do a slightly better job of explaining the podcast, give the secret on how to drink black coffee, name the
“King of Vegetables,” and leave you with a shocking surprise revelation.
“Churches should have better beer.”
Wherein Them Pastors explain who they are, kind of explain why they are doing this podcast, and how to grow a beard.