Beer & Butterfly: Recent Episodes
Ian Kingstone & Jonathan (JP) Parnaby
The Beer & Butterfly is a relaxing environment where we discuss core business challenges around all aspects of business transformation. Contact us at hosts@beerandbutterfly.co.uk, Linkedin or Twitter. Whether you are a professional, executive or a consultant, grab a drink and pull up a chair to join us in the conversation.
It's time to hand the keys back to the landlord now that Season 3 draws to a close and the team at Beer & Butterfly want to wish all the listeners a fantastic Happy New Year for 2022.
Ian & JP catch-up one last time to review the previous season and look at how we can take learnings into Season 4 by reviewing what went well, what didn't go so well and what could be improved next time.
If any of our listeners want to get in touch with the show feel free to get in contact with us on hosts@beerandbutterfly.co.uk
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:11 - Happy New Year 2022
- 5:18 - What went well?
- 11:53 - What didn't go so well?
- 17:44 - What can we do better?
- 21:19 - Audience feedback request
- 24:26 - Last orders
The Beer & Butterfly has started it's preparations to shut it's doors again this wintery season but not before our final guest Ken Peel joins us at the table to talk about how organisations can exploit agile through mindsets, cultures, tools and techniques.
The group catch-up and chat around a few films Ken has recommended Nomadland and Joker, JP is preparing for Christmas with some present drops in Lincolnshire and Ian is NOT rowing and NOT cycling.
Ken takes the episode forward by kicking off with the three key areas of an agile organisation, discussing why starting with the scrum framework is probably not the right place to start and the dangers of consultants applying methods / tools universally as if one size fits all.
For more information on Ken you can check out his LinkedIn profile here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenpeel/
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:13 - Introducing our guest...Ken Peel
- 10:38 - What have we been up to?
- 20:37 - 3 areas of a successful agile organisation
- 29:50 - Adaptive organisation - find the big constraints
- 37:07 - Respond, innovate, adapt and go for the hard stuff
- 39:16 - Don't start with the scrum framework
- 46:56 - Focus on outcomes with Kanban
- 54:11 - Holistic and change the hard stuff
- 55:57 - The myth of universal applicability
- 1:03:05 - Crafting an outcome and value driven approach
- 1:14:42 - Thanking Ken
- 1:16:43 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Final
- 1:24:52 - Word on the street - Envisioning
- 1:33:08 - Last orders
As the third season starts to draw down to a close and we're getting close to Christmas, JP gets a visit from his older brother Simon Parnaby to join us at the table to talk about the need for agility in retail.
The group catch-up and chat through getting ready for x-mas, experiencing the Polar Express event live, watching the new Hawkeye series and Simon highlights his experience of getting into a new hobby (tabletop board games - you're welcome JP).
Simon takes the reigns of the episode and paints a picture of the retail industry during and post pandemic and outlines the challenges & opportunities in which they face to stay relevant, agile and serve customers via the channels they need at this time.
For more information on Simon check out his LinkedIn profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-parnaby-4a0a306/
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:12 - Introducing our guest...Simon Parnaby
- 10:02 - What have we been up to?
- 20:58 - How covid has affected retail
- 25:45 - More focus needed especially on the customer
- 26:55 - Bigger reliance on data
- 27:39 - Collaboration, mindsets, reorganisation and change
- 33:18 - Accelerated change and online / ecommerce
- 37:30 - Focus on customer insight and online experience
- 44:53 - Being as agile and resilient as you can be
- 52:05 - Not all customers are the same
- 55:21 - The digital experience passport
- 59:35 - Views of the future in retail
- 1:05:31 - Thanking Simon
- 1:06:04 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Question 8
- 1:10:53 - Word on the street - CRM vs CDP
- 1:19:22 - Last orders
It's a new day and Ian & JP fancy a good old chat around something strategic and meaty. So in walks Adrian Wakefield at the right time to talk about the trouble with operating models.
JP recites his weekend of mishaps and disasters (trains, trees and Only Fools & Horses), Ian has switched cycling to rowing in a shed and Adrian talks about how the pandemic has allowed him to spend more time in North Spain.
Todays episode dives deep into Business Operating Models and outlines the trouble with them, either because they are a conceptual diagram which people find it hard to consume or whether politically they realise the new designs means less power & influence in the new world.
If you want to learn more about Adrian then check out his LinkedIn profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-wakefield-0372a53/
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:12 - Introducing our guest...Adrian Wakefield
- 5:00 - What have we been up to?
- 15:30 - The trouble with operating models
- 18:31 - Design principles upfront
- 21:28 - Crafting and some rules of thumb
- 27:10 - Business politics, powerbase and mindsets
- 30:39 - No great textbook or practitioner guides
- 35:18 - Shaping and then governance
- 38:47 - Start with strategy, align on value
- 43:57 - Pitching operating models to smaller enterprises
- 47:41 - The iterative operating model
- 53:55 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Question 7
- 59:20 - Word on the street - Minimum Viable Data Migration
- 1:06:13 - Last orders
Ian & JP are on their own tonight having a well deserved catch-up and getting prepared for Christmas whilst discussing what the term "Discovery" and it's importance within transformation.
Ian is executing his Christmas present buying plan perfectly as it's being left to the last minute and JP has been getting his kids into Ghostbusters in readiness to watch Ghostbusters Afterlife. Our hosts then chat through what the term discovery means and what typically the various stages are before rounding up why organisations should consider doing them.
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:14 - Getting ready for Christmas
- 5:38 - What have we been up to?
- 14:13 - What is discovery?
- 17:48 - Stages of discovery
- 25:03 - When does discovery finish?
- 27:38 - Doing discoveries remotely
- 34:11 - Why do a discovery?
- 44:01 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Question 6
- 50:06 - Word on the street - The positives of remote workshops
- 1:02:33 - Last orders
The Beer & Butterfly is getting rather full in this mid season episode where some old friends from Season 2 have decided to join us and talk about the opportunities and challenges happening within transformation right now.
Ian & JP are joined by Sarah Walters, Tim Dew and Simon Woodhouse and catch up to chat through some meaty subjects such as:
- Topic 1: How do we achieve a "change ready" organisation?
- Topic 2: Is remote working working?
- Topic 3: Sustainability and "Going Green"
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:29 - Welcoming our old friends from Season 2
- 4:38 - Topic - What's happening in transformation right now?
- 5:24 - Topic 1: How do we achieve a "change ready" organisation?
- 33:54 - Topic 2: Is remote working, working as well as on site?
- 54:40 - Topic 3: Sustainability and "Going Green" - Big Transformation
- 1:09:23 - Thanking our Season 2 guests
- 1:09:54 - Last orders
The Beer & Butterfly is getting busy this season as Sharon Sanders joins our hosts at the table to talk about the emotions of change and how to make that your superpower.
Ian begins by relentlessly telling everyone that he's been on holiday (again!!!) and JP recounts his experience in getting into Squid Game on Netflix and who sits on the subtitles vs dubbed fence. Sharon takes the conversation forward to focus her passion not just on change management but around providing support & leadership for people going through change, recognising that emotions are a massive part of the process.
You can learn more about our guest on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharon-sanders-54141b6/
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:12 - Introducing our guest...Sharon Sanders
- 10:19 - What have we been up to?
- 17:42 - Impact of change on peoples emotions & behaviours
- 23:56 - Coaching and supporting transformation & change
- 32:16 - Self help and managing emotions is complex
- 38:24 - Tools & techniques at pace
- 42:26 - Leadership, Openness & Trust
- 56:21 - Using technology to support & align people in change
- 1:01:07 - By being passionate about people, people make change happen
- 1:03:09 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Question 5
- 1:06:49 - Thanking Sharon
- 1:07:36 - Word on the street - More capability focused, less technology focused
- 1:13:31 - Last orders
Episode 4 is bring more "Fresh Insights" but this time from the world of procurement. Tom Mills joins the table bringing to life the changing perceptions of procurement coming out of the pandemic.
JP is getting back into his squash matches and continuing his health kick, Ian relives Pulp Fiction and wonders what is in that brief case and also reading Ethan Hawkes book, Tom tells a story of being out in the middle of a field at 5am exercising.
Tom brings the world of procurement to life on how the pandemic has changed the domain from being strategic to more transactional and the challenge to get back to being strategic.
You can learn more about Tom on his LinkedIn page here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-mills-20a56726/
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:13 - Welcoming Tom to the table
- 2:50 - What have we been up to?
- 12:30 - Coming out the pandemic made procurement more transactional
- 16:17 - Procurement become common in the public domain
- 19:51 - Sway from strategic procurement processes
- 21:53 - Supply chain resilience
- 28:26 - Risk, resilience & pace
- 32:23 - Follow core principles but be adaptive
- 37:45 - Data is a game changer
- 42:40 - The changing perceptions of procurement
- 46:21 - People, talent and a career in procurement
- 49:33 - Dreams of being a weather man
- 55:09 - Importance of growing your network
- 57:56 - Thanking Tom
- 58:10 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Question 4
- 1:02:30 - Word on the street - Transformation strategy and pace
- 1:13:02 - Last orders
Season 3 is in full swing and just as one guest leaves we are joined by another special guest Paul Clavering from Just Enough Change who talks about how he's on a mission to keep change simple.
As the group catch-up, Ian tells us about night time bike riding and catching up over the latest film Free Guy. JP continues to update around his weight loss being over a stone loss and Paul highlights being addicted to NCIS and binge watching
Paul introduces us to his business Just Enough Change and highlights his mission and values in trying to make change as simple as possible and highlights how his daughter was the inspiration for it all.
Paul's Linkedin profile: www.linkedin.com/in/paulclavering
Just Enough Change Company Link: https://www.linkedin.com/company/justenoughchange
If you want to get more information on the ChangeTracker then check out the link here - https://www.justenoughchange.com/change-tracker
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:12 - Introducing our guest...Paul Clavering
- 4:58 - What have we been up to?
- 14:22 - Let's not overcomplicate change
- 18:02 - Need to relate to support the change
- 20:11 - Keeping it simple
- 23:44 - Using images to allow people to form their views
- 26:40 - Just enough to get to the end goal
- 28:41 - The Change Tracker
- 35:25 - Going further than theory
- 38:15 - Apathy tracking
- 42:07 - Don't prescribe the journey, prescribe the goal
- 42:55 - Thanking Paul
- 45:38 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Question 3
- 49:00 - Word on the street - Re-Use, Buy & Build avenues
- 55:10 - Last orders
The next episode returns with Ian & JP joined at the table with Rob Manley to bring us fresh insights from the Marketing domain by telling us the importance of customer centricity in business.
The group catch-up and talk about JP's bet with himself to loose weight with the help of Noom, Rob asks what order you should what the Star Wars films in when watching with your kids and Ian is getting into a new sci-fi show Foundation on Apple TV.
Rob leads the discussion and brings his perspective as a marketer and CRM Manager on how a single view of the customer helps unlocks and empowers all aspects of the business whether your in marketing, sales or service.
You can find more information about Rob on his Linkedin profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-manley-39b56731/
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:13 - Welcoming Rob Manley to the table
- 4:39 - Customer centricity, experience and marketing
- 8:36 - What have we been up to?
- 26:33 - What does customer centricity mean?
- 31:24 - The golden record
- 35:44 - The siloed business channel challenge
- 41:18 - Value and success factors lost by shiny tech
- 44:28 - Listening to the voice of the customer
- 51:03 - Hierarchy of message & personalisation
- 59:53 - Identifying low hanging fruit
- 1:05:29 - Thanking Rob M
- 1:06:16 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Question 2
- 1:10:29 - Word on the street - injecting change management when you know it's too late
- 1:16:32 - Last orders
After Ian & JP return from their summer holidays we welcome them back into the Beer & Butterfly to kick off Season 3 by talking about what is transformation capability.
The hosts reflect around their holidays and whilst Ian was visiting Majorca, JP was spending 11 nights in a tent (who got the better deal there?) whilst introducing the seasons new theme "Fresh Insights" and provides some overview of what to expect in the upcoming episodes.
- 0:00 - Intro
- 1:15 - Introducing Season 3
- 3:31 - Our theme for Season 3 - Fresh Insights
- 7:25 - Disrupt Us - Our request
- 8:07 - Introducing "Another Rounds"
- 9:39 - What have we been up to?
- 18:37 - Introducing transformation capability
- 26:30 - Transformation capability ecosystems
- 30:41 - Lean approach to developing capability
- 32:07 - What does good look like?
- 37:55 - Check out BTM2
- 43:53 - Fitness for transformation
- 49:50 - Pub quiz (Ian vs JP) - Question 1
- 52:51 - Last orders
After a nice summer break our hosts Ian & JP return for Season Three which returns in November 2021.
Ian & JP meet one final time for this season and retrospectively review how things have gone before hanging up the keys and bolting the doors of the Beer & Butterfly.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:13 - We've crossed the finish line
- 03:36 - Pub quiz - Question 11 Answer
- 05:31 - What went well?
- 11:38 - What didn't go so well?
- 16:14 - What can we do better?
- 22:14 - Season Three?
- 23:46 - Hanging the keys up for summer
- 24:27 - Last orders
Ian & JP have hit the realisation that this is the last "full" episode of the season and are joined by Scott Robertson from SQWYZ consulting to talk about how strategy and transformation are two sides of the same coin. JP has caught up with the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universal) by watching Black Widow and discuss why a Disney+ podcast deal hasn't been made yet, Ian has finally gets his gates up by sacrificing his trip to Wimbledon and Scott is planning to go on a UK holiday in the South West whilst avoiding the chaos that is the M5. The trio jump into the conversation around aligning leadership and some of the "wasp nests" that can create, discuss how strategy & transformation are ultimately interwoven and round off talking around examples of offensive and defensive disruption strategies.
You can find out more information on Scott on his Linkedin Profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertsonsm/
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:11 - Introducing our guest...Scott Robertson
- 02:45 - Pub quiz - Question 10 Answer
- 04:42 - What have we been up to?
- 11:28 - Strategic leadership in transformation
- 25:30 - It's also a mindset
- 28:34 - Disruption strategies
- 46:08 - Building transformation capability
- 48:59 - Raising the bar through merging strategy with transformation
- 50:08 - Pub quiz - Question 11
- 51:42 - Thanking Scott
- 52:15 - Question time
- 58:09 - Last orders
As Ian & JP catch-up this week their next guest is just "passing by the pub" and decides to join them to talk all around behavioural change and mindsets when it comes to transformation. Ian is still excited about going to Wimbledon tickets and finally has a plan for his aluminium gates but generally working more than having fun. JP finally remembers that he went away for his wedding anniversary weekend when usually it's forgetting the date upfront and looking forward to his re-booked camping trip, updates on Loki and talks vampires in What We Do In The Shadows. Simon reminds us of an important football tournament that's happening (Euros 2020 which was delayed due to COVID). Simon then leads the episode and as a group we explore various facets of behavioural change, mirroring, aligning mindsets and change account management.
You can find out more information on Simon on his LinkedIn Profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-woodhouse-2323255b/
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:12 - Introducing our guest...Simon Woodhouse
- 03:35 - Pub quiz - Question 9 Answer
- 05:27 - What have we been up to?
- 15:20 - Football & Business behavioural change
- 20:30 - Culture, mirroring & negotiating
- 24:13 - Behavioural change stairway model
- 27:18 - Aligning and shifting mindsets
- 34:32 - Measure and sustaining the change
- 38:20 - Change account management
- 42:53 - Change happens when it's fair
- 51:13 - Talking points through rich pictures
- 58:15 - Raising the bar through inviting people to change
- 01:02:48 - Pub quiz - Question 10
- 01:04:51 - Thanking Simon
- 01:05:07 - Question time
- 01:10:56 - Last orders
The end of the pub quiz is in sight and Ian & JP are wondering if they are going to get the wooden spoon award for coming in last place, however this evening they are joined by Rob Llewellyn from CXO Transform to discuss how individuals can leverage the digital economy. The trio catch-up over a drink and Rob provides a background of his water-skiing days which enabled him to travel around the world as well where his fascination of travelling stemmed from. The episode focuses on how Rob transformed his own business from being a consultant travelling to clients to building a successful online business delivering education and business transformation knowledge across the globe.
Useful Links:
You can find out more information on Rob Llewellyn on his LinkedIn Profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robllewellyn/
Linkedin Article - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/my-digital-experiment-ceo-salary-rob-llewellyn
Digital Business Framework Program - A Step-by-Step Plan to Grow Your Digital Economy Prosperity Online - https://cxotransform.com/p/dbf-start
PROMOTIONAL OFFER - Use discount code BEER35 in the checkout on cxotransform.com
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:13 - Introducing our guest...Rob Llewellyn
- 04:06 - A bit of background on Rob
- 07:20 - Pub quiz - Question 8 Answer
- 08:41 - What have we been up to?
- 13:07 - From consultant to leveraging digital
- 18:13 - The bet
- 20:20 - Learn and fail fast, resolve and progress
- 23:33 - New challenges - scaling the business
- 29:39 - What's next for Rob
- 35:51 - Importance of giving value
- 39:41 - Raising the bar through the digital economy
- 43:00 - Advice to others leveraging digital
- 50:51 - CXO Transform Promotional offer
- 53:00 - Pub quiz - Question 9
- 54:15 - Thanking Rob
- 54:46 - Question time
- 01:00:50 - Last orders
Our hosts are feeling nostalgic in this episode as Ian and JP talk about why Business Analyst's are awesome in their role within business transformation. As the pair catch up Ian talks about putting his gates off to go to Wimbledon and JP relays his experience of driving supercars around an abandoned airfield. JP starts to explain why this episode was an important one for him to really shine a light on BA's and the importance they play, calling upon own experiences and highlighting key areas of why they are great.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:13 - Pub quiz - Question 7 Answer
- 03:04 - What have we been up to?
- 10:35 - Why Business Analysts are awesome?
- 15:11 - What BA's do?
- 18:09 - How did JP become a BA?
- 24:10 - This episode is for all the BA's out there
- 25:31 - BA Topic 1 - Define the why
- 26:33 - BA Topic 2 - Solution agnostic
- 28:39 - BA Topic 3 - Uncover root causes
- 30:23 - BA Topic 4 - Documenting requirements
- 31:37 - BA Topic 5 - Process mapping
- 34:23 - BA Topic 6 - Understanding the impact of change
- 36:30 - BA Topic 7 - Ensuring solution is fit for purpose
- 39:40 - How a BA raises the bar?
- 41:24 - Pub quiz - Question 8
- 42:33 - Question time
- 47:21 - Last orders
Note: Link to Prosci return on investment on change management as mentioned in the questions - https://www.prosci.com/resources/articles/roi-change-management
The halfway point has been reached with Season Two and Ian & JP catch-up once again to try something new which they call "Transformation Speed Dating". After catching up the hosts embark on an episode which is unplanned and randomised by splitting the conversation into "personal / getting to know you topics" and "business transformation topics from the BTM2 framework (Business Transformation Management Framework)" that are driven randomly by spinning the wheel.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:12 - We are half way there
- 02:43 - Pub quiz - Question 6 Answer
- 04:51 - What have we been up to?
- 12:50 - Transformation speed dating
- 16:04 - Spin the wheel
- 41:41 - Pub quiz - Question 7
- 43:39 - Last orders
As Ian & JP meet up in the Beer & Butterfly we explore how serious gaming is transforming how we educate people through change & transformation. We are joined at the table by Tim Dew from GingrTech and as everyone catches up over a drink, Ian is watching Falcon & The Winter Soldier, JP finds out he's far to old to go trampolining with the kids and Tim explores a TV show "Succession" and isn't quite sure about it. They continue to then explore how Tim created "Rocket", why serious games have an important role to play in the transformation space and our hosts reflect on their experiences when they played a game of Rocket recently.
You can find out more about Tim on his LinkedIn profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/timdew/
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:13 - Introducing Tim Dew
- 02:57 - Welcoming Tim to the table
- 05:24 - Pub quiz - Question 5 Answer
- 07:13 - What have we been up to?
- 15:06 - What are serious games?
- 21:35 - Capturing the emotion of an organisation thats failing & successful
- 24:38 - What is Rocket?
- 41:22 - Time in transformation
- 50:03 - What is Concord?
- 56:39 - Pub quiz - Question 6
- 59:04 - Thanking Tim
- 1:00:13 - Question time
- 1:04:12 - Last orders
Ian & JP return and review their current progress on the pub quiz (not going well) and devote an episode to a question provided by Debbie Evans on whether we should do AS IS Analysis or not. Our hosts recall the joys of the bank holiday weekend and enjoying the recent weather and talk about some films & TV (Army of the Dead & Taskmaster) and we get an update on Ian's aluminium gates. This episode essentially unpacks the recorded question from Debbie and poses a "for" and "against" argument for doing AS IS Analysis within transformations.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:13 - Pub quiz - Question 4 Answer
- 02:53 - What have we been up to?
- 10:11 - Framing the episode
- 11:24 - Question from Debbie Evans
- 12:35 - Unpacking the question
- 18:41 - Arguments for AS IS
- 28:18 - Arguments against AS IS
- 34:15 - A view of the way forward
- 39:00 - Circumstantial and just enough approach
- 44:15 - Pub quiz - Question 5
- 45:43 - Last orders
The third seat is filled again as our hosts are joined by a very special guest "Patricia Morris" to talk all about scaling up small & medium sized businesses. The trio catch-up as and discuss Trish's glorious week away and JP's misfortune to cancel a camping trip as the weather turned. Trish takes the lead in the episode to bring to life what change means for SME's (called Scale Ups) and ensuring that terminology we use as consultants needs to be right.
You can find out more about Tim on her LinkedIn profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricia-morris-730733190/
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:13 - Introducing our guest...Patricia Morris
- 02:29 - Trish introduces herself
- 05:55 - Pub quiz - Question 3 Answer
- 07:41 - What have we been up to?
- 15:03 - Scale ups
- 17:57 - Getting the terminology right
- 21:17 - Scale up boot camps
- 23:28 - Difference in language
- 28:49 - Company culture
- 31:53 - Change ownership
- 33:01 - Working remotely & trust
- 37:20 - You can involve everyone in an SME
- 50:24 - A reminder on translation
- 51:31 - Pub quiz - Question 4
- 53:56 - Question time
- 01:02:07 - Last orders
The pub quiz is going strong, it's neck and neck but Ian & JP check in and discuss why it's important to put value first in transformations. JP talks about finally going surfing again in north Devon and actually catching some waves, discusses the new Mortal Kombat film reboot and preparing to go camping but is nervous about the windy and wet weather due. Ian is getting into a new album by Myles Kennedy "The Ides of March" whilst stacking the dishwasher. Our hosts continue to discuss the importance of putting value first and bringing to life around what value is, the various forms of value and how it needs to be applicable to everyone impacted by the changes.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:14 - Pub quiz - Question 2 Answer
- 03:21 - What have we been up to?
- 12:25 - Transformation starts with value
- 15:41 - Difference between change and transformation
- 18:18 - Putting value into context
- 21:33 - Elements of value
- 25:25 - Value for everyone
- 28:23 - Driving new value
- 34:20 - Continuously hunt value
- 38:29 - Track, realise, stretch. optimise and grow value
- 40:43 - Where do you start?
- 45:29 - Manage value through delivery
- 46:51 - Value first doesn't just mean at the beginning
- 49:50 - Evolution of new value
- 51:16 - Pub quiz - Question 3
- 01:02:10 - Last orders
Ian & JP kick off episode one with a very special guest Sarah Walters from Aster Commercial Services who joins our hosts at the table to talk about procurement in relation to business transformation & change. Our hosts & Sarah talk about the latest films they watched and Ian has started a review system (for some reason) & JP discussed the joys of turning 40. The trio continue to bring to life that meeting and engaging with suppliers is a lot like getting married, be prepared, understand what you are getting into and work out what might happen if it goes wrong.
If you want to learn more about Sarah check out her LinkedIn page - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-walters-b4a1945/
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:15 - Welcoming Sarah to the table
- 04:00 - Procurement synergies with business transformation
- 07:00 - Pub quiz - Question 1 Answer
- 08:38 - What have we been up to?
- 16:13 - Transformation from a procurement perspective
- 18:48 - Engaging suppliers to help manage change
- 33:24 - Breaking delivery down into smaller chunks
- 38:11 - Options in the engagement
- 45:31 - No ideal way but experience helps
- 48:13 - How does procurement help raise the bar
- 56:49 - You've got to do date night
- 57:24 - Pub quiz - Question 2
- 59:48 - Question time
- 01:06:55 - Record us a question
- 01:07:10 - Last orders
The Beer & Butterfly is re-opening it's doors for Season Two and Ian & JP manage to catch up over their break. This seasons theme is all about "Raising The Bar" and the hosts bring to life what the season theme means and also how season two is changing format from the first season, especially with some exciting people joining us at the table. We hope you enjoy the changes we are making and continue to support us.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:17 - It's good to be back
- 02:51 - What have we been up to?
- 12:19 - Season Two - Raising the bar
- 15:32 - Episode overview
- 25:54 - Introducing the pub quiz
- 27:04 - Pub quiz - Question 1
- 27:40 - Closing the episode
- 29:34 - Last orders
We are back...Ian & Jonathan (JP) are missing the Beer & Butterfly and decide to revisit the old place. Season Two returns in June 2021
The first season is done and Ian & JP relax in the comfy sofas of the Beer & Butterfly and reflect on the first seasons conversations by conducting their own retrospective. The hosts catch up to talk around destroying your sons confidence with a short lockdown haircut, the beginning of hope now that spring is on it's way and there is a path out of lockdown restrictions and catching up on the latest TV / Films. They then perform a retrospective to highlight:
- What went well
- What didn't go so well
- What could be improved
A massive thank you to all of our listeners so far and engaging with us throughout season one. We look forward to seeing you at the table in Season Two
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:16 - What have we been up to?
- 06:24 - Season overview
- 10:11 - Started in person, ended up virtual
- 12:25 - Retro overview
- 12:38 - What went well
- 18:55 - What didn't go so well
- 22:51 - What can we do better?
- 28:40 - Season Two?
- 30:57 - Massive thank you listeners
- 31:10 - When are we back
- 31:30 - Last orders
After a challenging week Ian & JP catch-up in the Beer & Butterfly to finish off the final conversation around the change execution pillar "Realisation & Adoption". As the pair catch-up Ian explores taking his daughter surfing at a man made wave centre in Bristol whilst secretly thinking he is Bodie in Point Break, JP continues Xbox film night with Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure (whoa double Keanu Reeves moment) whilst exploring Synthwave music from Gunship (any fans of 80s music check them out). Our hosts then continue to explore the age old problem of projects and programmes focusing on go-lives and then moving onto the next project within the portfolio and exploring the dangers of that way of thinking, e.g. change continues long after a go-live has happened and some would argue the change journey is about to truly begin.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:13 - What have we been up to?
- 11:11 - Project delivered, moving on to the next one
- 16:46 - Two plans - transition & value
- 18:16 - Transition plan
- 23:15 - Change during transition
- 29:59 - Value realisation and adoption
- 36:00 - Sustainable change
- 41:41 - Running change capabilities post transition
- 46:21 - Question time
- 51:41 - Last orders
As Ian & JP sit down at the table they catch a leaflet placed around the pub mentioning that a Pub Quiz is coming soon, thinking nothing of it our hosts continuing the change execution exploration by discussing "Business Readiness & Preparation". Ian & JP begin catching up where Ian is excited for his x-mas present to himself (a new road bike) and JP has gamified family film night which resulted in scaring his kids by watching the classic Jurassic Park. The pair finish their conversation after JP highlights that he is really too old and unfit to be playing Twister with his 6 year old son. Our hosts continue to explore what business readiness is and it's importance within transformation, how to capture and measure it, how to ensure the change team has a hub / dashboard to report on it and resourcing it properly.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:14 - What have you been up to?
- 09:35 - Examples of poor business readiness
- 15:34 - Where to start with business readiness
- 22:01 - Measuring readiness
- 25:55 - Readiness dashboard
- 31:22 - Changing within the change programme
- 36:37 - Resourcing for readiness
- 39:15 - Feedback on readiness
- 40:01 - Question time
- 48:00 - Last orders
With the new IPA's installed at the bar, Ian & JP continue exploring the change execution areas by discussing "Education & Training". Ian & JP discuss about learning new skills during lockdown with Ian finally finishing his limestone wall and JP putting 4 tiles up (ok we know Ian's was more impressive). The pair finish their conversation visiting the Naked Gun films and 80s pop culture & wallpaper. Our hosts continue to explore the importance of education & training in relation to change management by stepping through the important layers of the training strategy.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:17 - What have we been up to?
- 10:00 - Examples of poor training
- 13:38 - Training focused on tech only!
- 17:30 - Holistic training strategy
- 19:07 - Breaking down the strategy for training
- 22:34 - Theme 1 - The goal of training
- 25:34 - Theme 2 - The who & training needs
- 28:36 - Theme 3 - Types of training
- 35:33 - Theme 4 - Training planning
- 39:21 - Theme 5 - Budget & resources
- 43:24 - Theme 6 - Logistics
- 47:15 - Question time
- 54:44 - Last orders
Whilst wondering what the "Pie of the Day" is at the Beer & Butterfly, Ian & JP now move the conversation onto one of the change execution pillars "Awareness & Engagement". JP was travelling in between lockdowns last year and caught up on some films, one of witch involved a laptop, the dark web and a series of characters getting "bumped off" (sounds like a classic right) whilst Ian discusses the latest IP Man film and the legend that is Bruce Lee. Our hosts continue to explore the topic of communications and the importance of making stakeholders aware of the upcoming changes through various tools, methods and channels.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:15 - What have we been up to?
- 06:36 - Awareness and engagement
- 09:28 - You can't over do it
- 14:05 - Communication channels
- 24:17 - Comms and culture
- 29:28 - Control Rooms
- 33:59 - Day in the life of
- 38:57 - Comms and education
- 40:45 - Sensitive communications
- 44:29 - Question time
- 52:07 - Last orders
The full english breakfast has been ordered and Ian & JP meet again to take a break from diving deep into change management and discuss strategically around "Why we should talk about WHY?". Our hosts begin by reflecting by switching from physical to virtual, becoming logistical experts by moving flights and hotels constantly and reflecting on the current routines of lockdown and lets face it, their dogs are benefiting from all of the walks. They continue to discuss strategically around how value management plays an important part in setting up, running and closing transformations to ensure that the business gets what it needs from it's investment.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:15 - What have we been up to?
- 04:45 - Remote working
- 09:18 - Setting the scene for transformation
- 11:57 - Getting senior stakeholders aligned
- 21:29 - Plan to mature transformation capabilities
- 25:04 - Mapping change and benefits
- 27:55 - Managing change and value
- 37:39 - Realisation and closing transformation
- 41:35 - Continuous value delivery through increments
- 49:59 - Last orders
Ian & JP sit at their favourite table within the Beer & Butterfly to chat through the importance of change networks within transformation. Our hosts initially catch up with each other and talk about converting cancelled holidays (crying into their beer) into day trips. Ian has been back tracking and binging Casey Neistat youtube videos and re-learning creative skills whilst JP is dreaming of becoming an astronomer in his back garden. They continue to explore how change networks really build that coalition for change and run through what a change network is, what the common roles are and how to build trust with the business.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:10 - What have we been up to?
- 08:28 - What is a change network?
- 10:55 - Playing change chess
- 14:07 - Definition of a change network?
- 15:20 - The roles in the change network?
- 21:45 - Structure to encourage agility
- 25:20 - Change and trust
- 29:43 - Two way feedback
- 37:01 - Question time
- 42:53 - Last orders
Ian & JP grab a pint and relax whilst explaining how change plans get created and how you design activities which will tackle the various change impacts captured before. It's important to understand that everyone's impact to change is different and therefore requires a tailored change approach to fully meet their needs. Our hosts finally catch up towards the end of the episode and getting suspenseful with Line of Duty, watching the latest Peter Jackson film and wishing they hadn't and getting back into music from Steve Vai
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:18 - When change isn't planned well
- 08:34 - Mapping the stakeholders journey through change
- 20:14 - Engaging with the business & shaping the plan
- 26:20 - Align, confirm and agree the change plan
- 28:04 - What have we been up to?
- 34:57 - What's coming up next?
- 36:07 - Question time
- 41:17 - Last orders
Ian & JP check in for another week at Beer & Butterfly where they explore the foundation of change management - the all important change impact. Our hosts begin catching up to talk about pitching a tent in 36 degree C heat, letting your kids slide into swamp water and also checking in on what films we've watched lately. They continue to explore the importance of understanding change impacts to truly ensure that impacted stakeholders are positively taken care of through change.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:19 - What have we been up to?
- 03:59 - The problems when change impacts are not understood
- 08:56 - What is a change impact
- 12:40 - Change impact analysis
- 18:55 - Exploring the data of change impacts
- 31:17 - The different categories of change impacts
- 49:00 - What's coming up next?
- 49:43 - Question time
Ian & JP are back at the table to talk all about the blueprint of change management "The Change Frameworks". Our hosts catch-up to talk about the importance of Marvel in raising children, stealing the master chef title off your daughter, facing the biggest challenge yet "Repointing a limestone wall" and watching epic films virtually over Xbox with friends. They continue to explore the importance of setting out a framework for practically managing change within organisations and cover the various disciplines required.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:21 - What have we been up to?
- 07:48 - Isn't change just fluff?
- 14:42 - What happens when change is considered "fluff"
- 20:27 - Practical approaches
- 23:58 - Accountability with change management
- 26:51 - The disciplines of change
- 38:44 - The partnership between change & value
- 51:42 - Last orders
We hope you've managed to find your favourite table as we kick off season 1 by introducing our overarching theme: Change...the heart of transformation. Throughout this episode Ian & JP catch-up over a pint to discuss the importance of Organisational Change Management (OCM) within transformation and also within everyday life. The hosts clarify why change was chosen as the first theme and then break down the upcoming episodes in which they will dive deeper.
- 00:00 - Intro
- 01:17 - What have we been up to?
- 04:28 - Change...applying it at home
- 09:06 - Why we chose change including examples
- 20:14 - Season 1 overview
- 28:25 - Season hopes & outcomes
The doors are open and we formally invite you into the Beer & Butterfly, so grab a drink and join us at the table. In our introduction we introduce the podcast and it's purpose and explain that Organisational Change Management (OCM) is the theme of Season 1. Ian Kingstone & Jonathan Parnaby (JP) introduce themselves as the hosts of the show so you can get to know us a little better at the start and more so as you listen through the episodes. We finish off the introduction by explaining how important feedback and engagement is to us and we are always looking for people to fill the third seat at the table, you, the audience.
- 00:00 - Podcast Intro
- 01:08 - The purpose of the show
- 06:48 - Our theme for season 1?
- 09:31 - Introducing our hosts
- 29:22 - Feedback & engagement