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Absolute Living: Putting Principles Into Action with Rev. Ellen Debenport and co-host Laura Shepard is a spiritual jam session that needs your voice! Most of us know some spiritual basics, but how are we living them in the real world? How do they show up in relationships, work or health? Can we really make practical decisions from a higher consciousness? Absolute Living is about those daily choices that create the lives we want to lead … and create the kingdom of heaven on earth. Join the Absolute Living group on Facebook. The ideas and opinions expressed on this program do not necessarily reflect the teachings of Unity. Unity respects a wide range of spiritual thoughts and beliefs, as reflected in the diverse range of subjects presented on Unity Online Radio.
Ellen and Laura wrap up more than three years of Absolute Living, reminiscing about their spiritual journeys and setting intentions for the future. This is their final episode. However, all previous episodes will be available through the archives.
How do you know when to stay focused on what you want or just go ahead and feel unhappy? Where’s the line between positive thoughts and stuffing feelings? (An update on “Feeeelings” from June 23, 2008, in the archives.)
If we’re the creators of our experience, why would we create anything unpleasant, much less evil? (This is an update on “Good and Evil” from June 15, 2008, in the archives.)
Practicing principles in relationships of all kinds may be just as tricky as it was three years ago when Ellen and Laura first addressed it. Have they learned anything since then? (This program is an update on “Relation-Shifts” from June 9, 2008, in the archives.)
Three years ago, Ellen and Laura were preaching prosperity just before a historic recession that hasn’t ended. Are the principles applied differently in bad times? (This episode is an update on “Money, Money, Money” from June 2, 2008, in the archives.)
Laura is famous for her “hands off” parenting style. What’s her advice now that her kids are nearly grown? Join us for this update from “Parenting in Principle” from the Unity Online Radio archives!
Three years ago, Ellen and Laura insisted everyone created his or her own illness. How do they feel now that their creaky bodies are falling apart? (This episode is an update on “Don’t Tell Me I Created THIS,” which originally aired on May 12, 2008. Listen in!)
For the rest of the summer, Laura and Ellen revisit some of their earliest shows to see whether they’ve expanded or changed any of their beliefs, insights or understandings. First up is the original “Are You an Absolutist?” from May 2008 (available in the archives).
Join Ellen and Laura with special guest host Denise Blake for a lively discussion about the many topics on their minds!
Laura Shepard is joined by special guest host Denise Blake (our boss at Unity Online Radio!) to talk about the power of the Law of Attraction. Years ago, Laura cured her phobia for spiders and says the power of the mind can be used to change absolutely anything about our lives.
It's easy to become confused about Unity's teachings, depending on who is talking. Ellen and Laura consider whether "It's All God" is really true and discuss contradictory views of the Law of Attraction.
Laura and Ellen talk a lot about cleaning up your vibration or raising your consciousness in order to create your experience from a higher level. But HOW exactly can we make that shift? Mindy Audlin has written a book, What If It All Goes Right?, that is a wonderful primer about how to shift from negative to positive thinking. Mindy will be a guest on the program, and the three of them will demonstrate her increasingly famous "What If Up" process.
Laura and Ellen can't help but ruminate about how spiritual principle showed up (or didn't) as America hunted, killed and celebrated the death of Osama bin Laden. Join us for this discussion.
We've all heard, "If you spot it, you got it." But there's an upside: You've got the good stuff too. Join us for this discussion!
At a listener’s request, Laura and Ellen talk about the spiritual books that have made the biggest difference on their journeys.
Ellen and Laura are just back from the God for Grown-ups retreat at Unity Village and have all sorts of ideas about changing concepts of God as we grow spiritually.
How can we live in spiritual principle when we're with family who have a different worldview? Or Christians who want to convert us? Is there a way to stick to our guns without getting angry? Join us for “You Life Your Life, I’ll Live Mine.”
Ernest D. Chu has advised thousands of entrepreneurs and business owners during his 35-year career. He is the author of the book Soul Currency, which has transformed thousands of lives, and he was recently featured on Oprah. Be sure to join this rich and insightful conversation with Ernie and Rev. Temple Hayes as he shares how he has moved “From Good to Amazing.”
A beautiful and familiar passage from the Bible, Ecclesiastes Chapter 3, tells us there is a time for everything under heaven. We call it divine timing, especially when we’re not getting what we want. If we’re the creators of our own experience, why should we have to wait for anything?
It’s Valentine’s Day, so we’re full of love or at least compassion for others. Right? Is there ever a time when compassion is the wrong way to go? Join us for this “heartfelt” discussion.
Seems every time we turn around, we’re being asked to give to one good cause or another, including our churches and even Unity Online Radio. How do we decide? How much is enough? And is tithing worthwhile or an outdated biblical concept? Laura and Ellen have never quite agreed on this topic!
When do we stay and when do we go—in relationships, jobs, projects, dreams? Are obstacles something to be worked through, or do they signify we're on the wrong path? Laura and Ellen talk about how to apply principle in times of discouragement.
Until recently, Laura and Ellen got nearly all their material from Unity or Abraham-Hicks. But lately they’ve been open to some new channels of information. They’re just afraid you will think they are weird. Even weirder than usual! Join them for “Angels and Mediums and Guides, Oh My!”
Where do we get self-esteem after a lifetime of beating up ourselves? Listen in as Laura and Ellen read you a story about the beginnings of self-love.
Join Ellen and Laura as they share what they've learned about Islam and talk about how to deal in principle with people who are different or even against you.
Today Laura and Ellen look at the bullying epidemic and promise “that life gets better” in all areas of life. The universe is biased in our favor!
Ever catch yourself in lack language? “I ONLY have a little in the bank.” “I ONLY have a short amount of time.” “I’m ONLY a stay-at-home mom.” Every word counts! Join us as we discuss how to dispel “The Onlies.”
For the first time ever, Absolute Living joins with the men of Unity Happy Hour for two hours of blockbuster online radio! Join Ellen, Laura and the guys as they talk about living in principle in the first hour, then in the second hour, we’ll all engage in some fun Happy Hour banter. Call it the "Absolute Happy Living Hour" Monday!
This episode is part 1 of 2. The fun continues at Unity Happy Hour.
Laura and Ellen are quick to suggest that people mind their own business when they're worried about others' creations. But what IS our business? What about children, elderly parents, mistreatment, injustice? Do we just shrug and say they're creating their own reality? Or do we do something? Join us for “What Is Our Business?”
Today we celebrate Ellen's birthday with a discussion about aging, illness and death! Really, is it possible to get older without aging? Does living in principle make a difference in how we age? How could we "youthen" instead?
Happiness is downright trendy the past few years. Studies have tried to show what makes people happy, brain scans have added some information, and corporate speakers have carried the message. Of course, the Buddhists have cornered the market on happiness. What can we learn about it via spiritual principle? Is happiness even a worthy goal?
Today we will explore more absolutism from Rev. Paul Hasselbeck’s books about New Thought clichés and examine how some of our spiritual slogans are just throwbacks to traditional views of God.
It seems like the more decades we live, the more convinced we are about what to expect based on past experience. He’s always been cheap; she’s always been a gossip; the government always messes things up; the weather never cooperates with our plans; we can expect to gain weight with a baby and slow down as we age. The principle is: We get what we expect. But how can we expect something different when we have all the evidence of the past?
We know our lives are reflections of our thoughts, but how much of the little stuff do we let slide? How often do we go ahead and complain or vent about something we don’t want in our lives? And what’s the result of using that creative power carelessly? Join us today for “Lazy Thinking.”
Ever hear an inner voice that lists all your aches and pains, says your health is all downhill from here, and convinces you that death is encroaching every day? How can we shut up that voice and choose life?
The events that crop up in life, whether we label them good or bad, are simply the result of past thoughts and reactions. That means our choices now are creating our future.
We still have a long list of New Thought clichés and platitudes to debunk, thanks to Paul Hasselbeck’s Get Over It series.
We say that life is consciousness and nothing is impossible. We can create, have, be, do whatever we want. But is that really true? Aren’t some things out of our control?
Is everything really in Divine Order? Is everything really All God and All Good? Larua and Ellen investigate New Thought clichés using the books of Paul Hasselbeck, Get Over It and Get Over These, Too!
How do you create what you want when someone else is actively against you? He wants a beach house; she wants a mountain cabin. Republicans want one candidate; Democrats another. Protesters shout at each other; armies fight each other. How can everyone possibly create the highest and best at the same time?
In a very special episode, Ellen and Laura interview futurist Barbara Marx Hubbard about the conscious evolution of the human species. Where are we going in the next stage of humanity's existence? What does 2012 mean to us? How can we be more conscious of our role in the evolutionary impulse of our species? We'll ask Hubbard to unlock some of these mysteries and talk about the next turn of the spiral in the human journey.
We commit malpractice any time we judge or try to change someone else’s creation. It might be perfect for them.
Laura’s got a great story about seeing one of her dreams come true after years of worrying. How hard is creating our experience supposed to be anyway?
Have your thoughts about death changed since you started down your current spiritual path? Laura and Ellen say theirs have! Maybe death isn’t as sad as we think.
Our society still believes in victims and perpetrators, and the news is full of people who've done bad things. How do we keep from judging? And do we forgive?
Host Rev. Carla McClellan is joined by special guest Mark David Gerson to discuss how you're renewing your creativity.
No matter how many times we affirm that we can have anything we want, some seem to remain out of reach. How do we address what's not working in our lives without giving energy to lack?
One of our listeners says he wants to be positive all the time. Is that even possible? How do you handle negative people around you?
Weeks after Easter, according to the Book of Acts, the disciples were sitting in a room one day when they finally got it. They finally understood what Jesus had been trying to tell them. They finally owned their divinity and went out to change the world. How does that show up for us?
There are four stages to realizing the divine within us. Jesus went through them, and so do we. Unless we get stuck in the stage called Resistance.
God-concepts wear out and religions disappear. Christianity seems to be waning in the West. Does your idea of God still nourish and serve you? Or would moving past a need for God be a good thing?
It's the beginning of Holy Week, the final week of Jesus' life, and it is rich with lessons for us. Based on Keep A True Lent by Charles Fillmore.
Continuing the series on Keep A True Lent, Ellen and Laura talk about people's aversion to being judgmental, as well as the topics of Sandra Bullock and the cancellation of a prom in Mississippi over a lesbian student's request to attend with her girlfriend.
Charles Fillmore said, "Man is the executive power in Being." In other words, we are God's hands and feet. But only if we stay in conscious contact with Spirit, living from the Christ. (Join us as we continue our book study of Charles Fillmore's Keep A True Lent.)
Charles Fillmore believed the ascended Jesus is always available to us. Is this a mystical power we can use? What, if any, relationship can we have with Jesus today? Join in for our contiuing book series on Keep A True Lent.
No point in having a drawerful of spiritual tools unless we take them out and use them. Laura and Ellen talk about Fillmore's Twelve Powers of humankind, especially as they relate to living in principle. (This segment is part of our book series on Keep A True Lent.)
Ellen and Laura begin a book series on Charles Fillmore's Keep A True Lent. How do we use an ancient Christian ritual in a metaphysical way?
Laura and Ellen are joined by Karyn Buxman, a nationally acclaimed humorist, to talk about how we can lighten up!
We are creators of our experience, but too often we create from a flawed premise, some old belief, something we learned from our parents or society that's not based in Truth. But it will show up, reinforcing our belief in the flawed premise. How do we break this cycle?
If everything is happening according to the Law of Attraction, and if God is all there is, there can be no injustice anywhere.
Ellen and Laura look back at the inspiring teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., as the nation celebrates his birthday, and speculate about how the Law of Attraction was at work during the Civil Rights movement.
Meister Eckhart said if the only prayer you ever utter is “Thank you,” it will be enough. Gratitude is the most powerful spiritual tool we have.
A big, scary movie about the destruction of the world in 2012 is being released this month. We know 2012 is the year the Mayan calendar ends. What does Unity say about all this?
We pray, we affirm, we visualize, we set intentions, and sometimes we outright beg. So why aren’t our lives exactly what we want?
Some of us were taught that we are miserable sinners who need forgiveness but will be lucky to get it. In fact, forgiveness is something we do for ourselves. And there's nothing really to forgive.
We may no longer think of ourselves as sinners who should seek salvation, but we choose sin or salvation throughout every day—just not the way you might think.
We know that every human being carries the masculine and feminine qualities of God, but what does it really take to make us whole? Ellen and Laura invite your ideas!
You are the creator of your every experience. You get to make it up as you go. Therefore there is never a right or wrong decision. You just have to stay in alignment with the choice you have made and it will work out—making it seem to have been the right decision. If you go out of alignment with your choice, it will look as if you made a wrong decision. You get to choose.
Wayne Dyer has been saying for decades that you can change your life by changing your thinking. But it’s not easy to break old habits of thought. In his latest book, Excuses Begone!, using the inspiration of Lao Tzu, he suggests ways to finally make the changes you’ve always wanted.
This is the secret to living a happy life. And what it really means is to mind by own consciousness. If I don't like something, I can change my consciousness and feel better about it, and ultimately, that will change my experience with what I am seeing. It's all up to me.
We say we’re on a spiritual path, but where are we going and how will we know when we get there? Ellen and Laura discuss the qualities of spiritual maturity.
Every person is entirely responsible for what shows up in his or her life. We might as well take the responsibility, because it’s the only way to own the power. No victims here!
Most of us have stories we tell to explain why we are the way we are, and why we can’t change. Those attitudes are running our lives. What have you been focusing on? Your drama story? The beliefs of mass consciousness? Or what is real and true?
Improvement, healing and overcoming are the natural state of the universe. It’s natural for things to get better. Could we just relax in the meantime?
Face it: Jesus set the bar pretty high. No divorce; love your enemies; turn the other cheek; blessed are the poor in spirit. He was teaching absolute principle, but isn’t there a loophole somewhere?
The Declaration of Independence is one long affirmation that set an unequivocal intention long before America was free.
The pain-body is Eckhart Tolle’s term for all the wounds and baggage we carry around with us, some of it individual and some based on gender, ethnicity or family history. We’ve all got our "stuff," but we are not required to live with it forever.
In honor of Father’s Day, Ellen and Laura talk about how to practice principle in parent-child relationships once the kids are all grown up!
Principle Five moves us into action, taking what we know about spiritual principle and using it in our lives. But notice that action is the last move we make, after a lot of effort to line up our energy with our good. And even then, we wait for inspiration.
The fourth of Unity’s Five Principles is about prayer and meditation. It’s one of the ways we remain aware of our oneness with Source or Spirit. But what most people consider prayer is just elaborate worrying.
Now that we know we’re divine beings living on earth, we explore how to handle all that power! We get to create our experience with our thoughts and feelings, knowing that whatever we focus on will expand. It’s a big responsibility!
The second of Unity’s Five Principles is the divinity of human beings. We are expressions of God on earth and inherently good. Then why do so many humans behave badly?
Ellen and Laura begin a series on Unity’s Five Basic Principles, based on Ellen’s new book, The Five Principles: A Guide to Practical Spirituality. The first is that God is all there is, One Presence and One Power. But does that mean even the bad stuff is God?
In honor of Mother’s Day, co-host Laura Shepard lets loose with more of her amazing advice about parenting. She’s not just a cool mom, she’s the un-mom. Find out how freeing it could be for you and your children if you learned how to un-mother.
One of the reasons it’s hard to live from the higher Self is that we are so attached to our human roles, personal and professional. What would happen if we dropped the roles we play? Would our lives fall apart?
Most of us have heard the term “God’s will” described as something we are supposed to discover and carry out. But what if God’s will is actually our will? How do we know when it’s Spirit speaking and not our own egos?
We’ve celebrated Easter with the knowledge that each of us is the Christ in expression, but exactly what do we do with that information? How do we live it? What would a life look like if lived from the Christ Mind all or even most of the time? We’ll talk about living in principle, moving from ego to Soul-mind, forgiveness, nonjudgment and nonresistance.
The whole Christian world has celebrated Jesus’ dramatic teaching that we are eternal beings. Great news! Now, exactly what do we do with that information? How does it change our lives?
Palm Sunday is not only about Jesus’ triumphant entry into Jerusalem, when the crowds waved palm fronds and sang hosannas, but about his deliberate decision to enter unsafe territory. We’ll talk about moving through fear and setting intentions to create the experience you want, even when times may be tough.
Let’s talk again about what we mean by "absolute living." Our show is about living in principle, even though very few people have achieved it. What would your life be like if lived within spiritual law? Hint: You might not fit into our society.
Is there ever a reason to cut someone out of your life? Are there spiritual principles to support it? And where does the Law of Attraction come in, if someone is behaving badly or mistreating you?
Okay, so we’re spiritual beings having a human experience. We are divine expressions of God. It makes a great affirmation, but what does it look like in our lives? How can we get acquainted with the Christ that dwells within and learn to trust it in dealing with our human world?
How can we avoid being swept up in mass consciousness and instead live from our divine core? We’ll talk about how we can show up as expressions of God and the influence we have on other people. If everyone were like you, what kind of world would it be?
Do you focus on your assets or your deficits most of the time? Just as a positive view of the world makes life better, a positive view of yourself matters even more. We’ll talk about how to make the most of what you’ve got and carry out your soul’s purpose for this lifetime.
Rev. Ellen Debenport and Laura Shepard argue with some of the recent writings of people who believe in a random universe and an arbitrary God. These writers are not fundamentalists—they’re Unity people, for heaven’s sake! What exactly do we believe about principle anyway?
The holidays are a frenzy of activity, then most people make New Year’s resolutions vowing to take still more action. Stop! Breathe. Get your energy lined up first. Or nothing will ever change.
We wrap up this four-part book series with a look at practicing principle for prosperity and in every area of life. This last segment of the book study covers chapters 25-36 of Key to Yourself by Venice Bloodworth.
In the third segment based on the book Key to Yourself by Venice Bloodworth (chapters 14-24), we talk about how to create the life you want, including the body you want!
In Part 2 (Chapters 8-13) of our series based on the book Key to Yourself by Venice Bloodworth, we talk about the influence of thought on everything that shows up in our lives.
We begin a four-week study of a classic book, Key to Yourself (chapters 1-7), about practicing principle. Venice Bloodworth was an Atlanta psychologist who in 1952 wrote the teachings we still use today. This short, to-the-point book covers all the angles about practicing principle in health, wealth, and relationships.
Ram Dass said if you think you’re enlightened, go spend a week with your parents. What better time to be sure we know how to practice principle than when we’re home for the holidays? Many of us will be getting our buttons pushed this Christmas by the people who installed them. Laura and Ellen offer a refresher course in principle and family relationships.
Perhaps the most important relationship we’ll ever have is with ourselves, both at the level of personality and of soul. But self-love is difficult for many of us, and simply knowing that our essence is divine may not be enough. Ellen and Laura talk about how to shift into self-love and the difference it makes.
By popular demand! Ellen and Laura talk about how to apply spiritual principles to issues of food and weight. Our listeners say they want to know, even if Ellen and Laura have not yet perfected the process.
You’ve heard that giving leads to receiving and is the key to your prosperity. How’s that working for you? How’s it working for your church? What are we missing when those of us who claim to know all about prosperity principles still struggle to make ends meet?
What’s wrong with these kids today? Us! Kids don’t get any respect, at home or at school! Laura Shepard offers another dose of her "Back Off" philosophy of dealing with kids. It’s an important idea for any parent, teacher, or those willing to consider a contrarian view.
We hear it said often: Organized religion is responsible for most of the evils throughout history. Is that really true? After all, it has been around for thousands of years. Could those of us who claim to be “spiritual but not religious” be missing something important?
In this campaign season, people choose sides and decide what they’re for and against. But what you resist persists! How can we change the world without being against anything?
Aging is moving through time, but decline is resistance. How can we use principle to keep from declining as years go by? Laura and Ellen will both weigh in, if they can find their reading glasses.
What if people said they were truly sorry for their harmful actions? Would we be a more peaceful society? Would we have fewer lawsuits? Our special guest is Lee Taft, who practiced law in Dallas for 20 years before he went to Harvard Divinity School and found his niche exploring the power of apology, repentance and reconciliation.
Most of us know some spiritual basics, but how are we living them in the real world? How do they show up in relationships, work, or health? Can we really make practical decisions from a higher consciousness? Absolute Living is about those daily choices that create the lives we want to lead … and create the kingdom of heaven on earth.
Change is the buzzword of the day, in political campaigns and in our lives. Everybody claims to want change, but they often resist it when it occurs. What are the principles we can use to deal with the surprising changes in our lives and also to bring about the changes we want?
We say in Unity that “living from the Christ within” is our goal. But what does it really mean? Jesus said we could do anything he could do, but how? We talk with energy coach Mark Youngblood about the possibilities for human beings when they are living from their higher selves.
Unity’s World Day of Prayer again this year coincides with the anniversary of 9/11 and reminds us of our intention for a peaceful world. Unity is also joining the 11 Days of Global Unity campaign. But how do we be peace? What are the principles involved in handling conflict in our lives?
People seem to need spiritual nourishment more than ever, but fewer are attending church. What are other possible sources of spiritual guidance and community? What role models do we have for living spiritual lives? Rev. Ed Townley of the Bible Alive program on Unity.FM talks with Ellen and Laura about his new non-church adventure and how the Bible still illustrates principles for the modern age.
This is your day on Absolute Living. Listeners who have successfully used spiritual principles in their lives share stories of healing, prosperity and guidance.
Living in principle requires making dozens of choices each day. How do we make them, and how can we tell if we’re on the right track? Rev. Ellen Debenport and Laura Shepard discuss how duality, the pain body and the emotional guidance system all play a role.
In this program, we'll be talking to special guest Lisa Williams, the president of Williams Research in San Diego and one of the most accomplished women in her field. Lisa has been involved in New Thought for years and manages to integrate spiritual principles into her corporate consulting. She will talk about how universal laws are used by successful leaders and workers.
There’s a trick to being the creator of your own experience. At some point, you have to stop focusing on what you want and allow it to happen! And that’s when you’ll discover where your blocks are. Join Rev. Ellen Debenport and absolutist Laura Shepard to talk about using spiritual principles to allow your good to flow.
When one door closes, another one opens—but it can be hell in the hallway. Change in our lives may be inevitable, but spiritual principle remains constant and works even when we don’t know what’s coming next.
If each person creates his or her own experience, how can we help each other? Why pray for someone whose life is simply a reflection of consciousness? What about people living in regions of starvation or war—can’t we do something? Ellen and Laura talk about practicing principle on behalf of other people.
Perhaps the most common question from people who are new to the idea of creating their own experience is: Where is God in all this? But the Law of Attraction wouldn’t work without God. It is co-creation, and the spiritual principle is a divine gift to human beings.
Most adults spend the majority of their time on the job, where it sometimes seems hardest to practice spiritual principles. Rev. Ellen Debenport and her sidekick Laura Shepard talk about how to live from The Christ in a dog-eat-dog world.
Sure, we try to live in principle, but can’t we just have a bad day? Sometimes people in Unity get the impression they’re never supposed to feel angry, negative or fearful. In fact, feelings are a divine gift. They’re our built-in guidance system, and they are the key to creating the lives we want.
For weeks, Rev. Ellen Debenport and absolutist Laura Shepard have been insisting that anything in our lives can be good. But what about evil? Does it exist? Do we create it? Does that mean evil is a part of God? These are some of the most difficult questions we face in New Thought.
Living in principle would be easy if we lived alone on an island. But we live with other people—at work, at school, sometimes at home and certainly every time we go out in public. Our days are filled with relationships of all kinds. Life’s greatest joys and sorrows usually involve relationships. How do we live in principle where other people are concerned? Rev. Ellen Debenport and guest Laura Shepard talk about shifting our consciousness in relationships.
Everyone seems to want more money. Many of us were first attracted to Unity by its prosperity teachings, the idea that we can attract more money or manifest abundance in our lives. We can. But it’s often an area where fear and worry seem to dominate. Join Rev. Ellen Debenport and absolutist Laura Shepard to talk about living in principle with money. And be sure to join our community forum for more from Ellen and Laura.
Every human being is creating his or her own experience, and that includes your children. Kids have their own consciousness and their own spiritual paths. Rev. Ellen Debenport and her guest, absolutist Laura Shepard, talk about how to stay in absolute principle with your kids. It’s a whole new approach to interacting with them. And you might be surprised how much easier it can be! Your questions and comments about your own kids are welcome.
A lot of people believe they create their own experience, until they get sick. Then you’ll hear, “The flu is going around,” or “I didn’t create this cancer!” Rev. Ellen Debenport and her guest, absolutist Laura Shepard, won’t back down on the idea that all sickness begins in consciousness. But they’ll also talk about how to stay well. Share your experience with them!
The people who pioneered the New Thought movement a century ago were absolutists. They believed absolutely in spiritual principle, and they put it to work in their lives. How does spiritual law show up in your life? Are you making decisions from higher consciousness, or do you get bogged down in the old, negative ways of thinking? Ellen is joined by absolutist Laura Shepard to talk about living in principle.