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Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. Season three will focus on the Baker’s Dozen, the run of 13 shows that Phish played at Madison Square Garden in 2017. Five years later, we look into this historic run of concerts, played in rock’s most hallowed venue. From no repeats, to extended jams, to of course, donuts, to the legacy of this run on rock history, this season is built on interviews with many fans, music critics and artists.

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Today we bring you a special report, looking at the new songs played during Phish’s Summer 2023 Tour, with Tom sharing insights about some of the songs he wrote with Trey.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

We've Got A Band E8: Mike Hanford

We're back with Dan Kanter! Hear James and Gabrielle talk with the guitarist about his Phish journey, meeting Trey, and more! We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

Dan Kanter, the musical director and former lead guitarist for Justin Bieber, is this week’s guest. Dan is best known for his work Bieber, but he’s also a songwriter, producer, and of course, a Phish fan.This is part 1 of James and Gabby’s conversation with Dan, and part 2 will be next week.

We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

This week’s episode finds James and Gabby in conversation with the Quiz Daddy Scott Rogowsky. Scott talks about his fan journey, the rise and fall of HQ Trivia, and more.

We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

On this episode, we bring you two journalists and Phish fans, Katy Tur and Jake Sherman. They're well known for their Phish puns on the air, and they talk to James and Gabby about their Phish journeys, favorite venues, how those puns got started, and a lot more. We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

This week, James and Gabrielle talk to mountaineer Aron Ralston, the subject of the movie 127 Hours. Aron talks about his experience as a Phish fan, including what he was listening to while he made the decision to amputate his own arm. He shares his spiritual journey with music, and tells stories of how he was able to meet Trey and other musicians after his accident propelled him to international fame. We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

On episode 2, Gabrielle and James talk with Bravo star Austen Kroll, a big Phish fan who tells us about his show adventures, his favorite venues, fashion at Phish shows, and more. We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

We kick off the series with an interview with actor Chris Witaske (The Bear, Love, Second City). Hosts Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del talk to Chris about his Phish fandom, the Chicago "Harpua" and hanging with the band at Second City, a memorable trip to Alpine Valley, and a lot more. We've Got A Band is presented by Section 119 and Osiris Media. Created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Marketing by Nick Cejas and Eric Limarenko. Art by Mark Dowd.

Today we're announcing "We’ve Got A Band," with journalists Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del talking with Phish’s most notable and influential fans—exploring these fans’ creative processes for finding their unique voice, building their own community, and swimming against the cultural current to build something special and everlasting, just like Phish. Season one of We've Got A Band will be released under the Underminebanner, as “Undermine Presents."

Guests include “The Bear” actor Chris Witaske, Bravo star Austen Kroll, “127 Hours” mountaineer Aron Ralston, The Sloppy Boys’ Mike Hanford, journalists Katy Tur and Jake Sherman, comedian Scott Rogowsky, musician Dan Kanter, and others. The series is sponsored by Section 119, the home for authentic premium Phish, Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia merchandise,

We’ve Got A Band was created by Gabrielle Bluestone and James Del. Executive Producers are Gabrielle Bluestone, James Del, RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Edited and Produced by RJ Bee and Matt Dwyer. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Art by Mark Dowd. Brought to you by Section 119 and Osiris Media.

This is the end of the Island Tour! And finally, the end of season 4. If you wanna take off, take off, but we encourage you to stick around…for 4/5/98.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

We’ve switched islands, but don’t worry, we’re still talking Phish. Join us for this dive into 4/4/98.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd

Today we keep the Island Tour rolling along, this time diving into the epic 4/3/98. If you haven’t seen it, here’s Amar Sastry’s Anatomy of a Jam video on the Roses Are Free.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

Is it still 1997? Depends on who you ask. Today we’re getting back to the end of season 4 and talking in depth about the Island Tour. Four episodes, starting today with 4/2/98. Thanks for coming back.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

New York, New York! We cap off the New Year’s 97 run with a look at 12/31/97, an extended discussion about encores, and a look forward to 1998. Thanks for tuning in.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

An udder ball, Hannibal Lecter, an outrageous jam (or many), and a lot more. Welcome to 12/30/97.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

The bus has arrived in the Big Apple, and we’re ready to tackle 12/29/97. Enjoy.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

We’re back! Picking up where we left off, we’re going to be releasing episodes on all 4 New Year’s run ‘97 shows, and then we’ll bring you episodes on the Island Tour after Phish’s Spring 2023 tour.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, and Benjy Eisen. Edited by Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

On 12/11/22, Osiris this season celebrating Fall '97 to life—with a night of conversation and music. Here, you'll hear set of music in tribute to Fall '97, featuring Cal Kehoe (Pink Talking Fish), Chris Deangelis (The Machine / Kung Fu), Adrian Tramantano (Twiddle / Kung Fu), Jeremy Kaplan (Dogs In A Pile), Andrew Pfeiffer (FeelFree), and Daniel Keller. The setlist is below.

Halley's Comet > Tweezer > Izabella, Tube, Wolfman’s Brother > Boogie On Reggae Woman, Ghost, Johnny B. Goode > Jam

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To cap off the last night of Albany, 12/13/97, we have someone who played that night—John Kasiewicz of J. Willis Pratt and We’re Bionic. They opened for Phish that night, and John talks about their show, and the amazing Phish show that follows.

A few things to check out: a documentary about Willis and his longtime friendship with Jon Fishman, some audio from the opening set on 12/13/97, and the first band gig with Fishman post-Albany ‘97, from 4/29/98. Finally, the Relix article with Fishman recounting the Kiss experience.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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We have arrived in Albany for the last couple nights of the tour, and we’re grateful to Scott Bernstein of JamBase to talk to us about 12/12/97.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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Rochester! Writer and podcaster Jesse Jarnow joins us to talk about this legendary show on 12/11/97.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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As we head toward the Northeast for the final leg of the tour, we talk with Benjy and RJ, who were both at the show, about how University Park on 12/9/97 stacks up.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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We’re heading to Dayton to talk 12/7/97 with Andy Gadiel!

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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Today we’re thrilled to be talking about 12/6/97 with Ryan Stasik of Umphrey’s McGee.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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The guest today for the 12/5/97 show from Cleveland is our very own RJ Bee.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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Our guest today is Bugs.net founder and CEO Brad Serling. Brad chats with Tom and Benjy about seeing Phish in the early 90s as a Grateful Dead fan, his voyage from taper to a career in live music, and of course the amazing show on 12/3/97 at The Spectrum in Philly.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

Today we have a conversation with Marc Brownstein of The Disco Biscuits, who talks about the Philadelphia show on 12/2/97, and a whole lot more about his band, Phish, and the 90s.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ share another one of their favorite Phish comfort songs. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here.

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In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ share one of their favorite Phish comfort songs. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here.

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We wrap up the Worcester run by focusing on the last night, 11/30/97, with guest Carla Ngo.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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In this bonus episode, presented by Smartwool, Tom, Benjy, and RJ talk about Phish shows when they were most in need of wool. This episode is presented by Smartwool—check out the limited-edition Smartwool x Grateful Dead collection here.

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We are on to the weird and wild second night of Worcester, 11/29/97, with our guest Jeremy D. Goodwin.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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This bonus episode features a discussion about the best outdoor venues to see Phish play. Tom, RJ, and Benjy debate their personal favorites and the merit of music in parking lots.

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We have David Goldstein as our guest to talk about the first night of Worcester, 11/28/97.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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We have Scott Marks back again to talk with us about his first show, 11/26/97.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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Never miss a Sunday show, especially during the Fall ‘97 tour. Today we talk with Brian Brinkman about 11/23/97.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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Today we’re joined by Scott Bernstein of JamBase to talk about 11/22/97 from Hampton.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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In a special bonus episode, Joel Cummins of Umphrey's McGee talks with Benjy about his experience at the Phish show on 11/19/97 and how it influenced his decision to become a professional musician.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

It’s on to Phish’s first two-night stand at the mothership. We talk with guest Craig Hillwig about 11/21/97 in Hampton.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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We’re in Champaign for 11/19/97, with Andy Kahn of JamBase.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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For one of the best shows of Fall ‘97, we could only have one person revisit it with us. Trey joins us to talk about 11/17/97, memories of the tour, and what led to this different musical style.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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It’s the first night of Denver, 11/16/97, and we’re joined by guest Scott Galbraith.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

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We’re on to Salt Lake City for the second show of the tour, 11/14/97, joined by guest Dom Deluca.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

We’ve finally arrived in Las Vegas for the kickoff of Fall ‘97. Drew Hitz and Charlie Dirsken join us to recap the tour opener, 11/13/97.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman and Eric Limarenko. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Production assistance from Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

Today we’re joined by Jim Pollock to talk about The Great Went. We dive into 8/16/97 and 8/17/97 and talk about Jim’s work with the band.

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We’re back, EXACTLY 15 minutes since our last episode. Rob Mitchum joins us to talk about 8/10/97 at Deer Creek. Here’s Rob’s 25th anniversary blog post on the show. Here’s Marc Allan’s review of this show, and Trey reading it in Bittersweet Motel. Lastly, here’s Marc Allan’s interview with Trey from 1993.

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We’re on the back of the worm! We’re with Scott Marks to discuss the 7/1/97 and 7/2/97 shows from Amsterdam.

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Former Phish Road Manager Brad Sands joins us once again to talk about the 3/1/97 show, the basis for the album Slip, Stitch And Pass. Tom and Brad share Europe tour stories and talk about this era of the band’s music.

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We have arrived in 1997, and we’re hitting the Paradiso in Amsterdam to talk about 2/17/97, a night marked mostly by a huge debut, and the debut of a new musical direction. We discuss this all with Undermine co-Executive Producer Brian Brinkman.

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Viva Las Vegas! Today we’re talking about the rare show where the encore is the most talked about segment of the show. That’s 12/6/96, under the bright lights, with journalist and author of The Phish Book, Richard Gehr.

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How do I work this? Where is that large automobile? Maybe this is my beautiful house…We are celebrating 10/31/96 and the masterful cover set of Remain In Light, with guest Gerald Gottesman.

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Today we step into the creation of The Clifford Ball, with one of the people responsible for bringing it to life, Lars Fisk.

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On today’s episode, Drew Hitz joins us in the Gamehendge Time Laboratory, to revisit what many people think is the greatest Phish show of all time—12/31/95. We’re grateful to Drew for joining us for this three-set show that is so revered.

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We’re continuing our drive through 1995 with a stop in Binghamton, on a snowy night in December. David Steinberg (aka zzyzx) joins us to discuss 12/14/95, a show that at least one of our hosts describes as “nearly perfect.“

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Today we’re visiting the land of chocolate, with our very own co-host, Benjy Eisen. It’s 12/1/95— philosophy, science, religion, and of course, chocolate.

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Crab in my shoe mouth. We’re in Orlando, Florida, it’s November 1995. Ari Fink helps us dive into the adventurous 11/14/95 show.

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Step into the Fleezer! We’re visiting the wild and strange and confounding music of Summer ‘95, focusing on 6/22/95 with longtime taper and fan Lenny Stubbe.

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We’re joined by Undermine and Osiris team member Jonathan Hart to discuss THE Providence Bowie, from 12/29/94. In addition to breaking down this legendary jam, we look at Phish at the end of 1994 and where this show falls in that trajectory.

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For this episode, we find ourselves at the first Phish musical costume Halloween, of course that’s 10/31/94. Our guest Aaron Stein joins us to discuss that wild night in Glens Falls, how it stacks up with other Halloweens, and more.

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Today we go to Columbus for the amazing 6/22/94 show, with a person who not only was there, but who describes it as one of the two most important days of his life (aside from his birth). Scott Gray enlightens us on this life-changing experience, and some insight into why Trey was talking about tall people during Icculus.

We also get into the merits of jam length, the top 5 shows of all time, and a lot more. It’s a fun ride.

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The birth of the “Tweezerfest,” we dive into 5/7/94 with Relix editor-in-chief, author, and friend Dean Budnick.

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Happy New Year! It’s 12/31/93, and we’re gathered inside the aquarium for the celebration with our co-Executive Producer and friend Benjy Eisen, who is our special guest.

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Today we are looking at a pivotal show in Phish's history, 8/13/93 from the Murat Theater in Indianapolis. This show features the legendary version of "Bathtub Gin" which is seen as a turning point in the band's ability to jam outside of the structure of their compositions. Charlie Dirksen and Brian Feller, two longtime fans and board members of The Mockingbird Foundation, join us to talk about the magical month of August 1993.

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Today we stop in New Hampshire and dive into 5/8/93, which finds Phish at the end of the Spring 1993 tour. We’re joined by Brad Sands, Phish’s former road manager, who talks about the momentum in 1993, and how this show in Durham served as a homecoming for the band after a long time on the road. And it showed in the music, which we discussed with Brad in detail.

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Today we’re rolling into 1993 with our guest Josh Carver, a longtime Osiris guest and listener. We talk with Josh about The Roxy show from 2/20/93. Josh actually missed this show, but he was at the Roxy shows before and after this infamous night. We all know that feeling.

This show was another pivotal moment in Phish’s progression, and the show became legendary almost immediately. We hope you enjoy our first stop in 1993.

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In this episode, we keep moving through 1992 and look at one of the most notable shows of the early years—7/25/92, which has an incredible guest appearance by Carlos Santana and his percussionists.

Our guest for this episode is Shelly Culbertson, who worked with former manager John Paluska and Dionysian Productions. Shelly was involved with the early online Phish community, and was the driving force behind Phish Tickets By Mail (PTBM). We talk with Shelly about the growth Phish experienced in these years, and how this tour opening for Santana poured more fuel on the fire for the band’s growth. The Santana sit-in on You Enjoy Myself is must-hear, but the whole set is essential early Phish.

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As the next step in our journey through key shows of the ‘90s, we stop in Eureka, California, and check in with a fellow Californian about this show—Holly Bowling. We focus on 4/21/92, a show that has an ahead-of-its-time Tweezer, which served as an inspiration for one of Holly’s famous jam transcriptions.

We heard in previous episodes about this Spring ‘92 run, which featured Phish’s first extended trip in front of West Coast fans. We talk with Holly about these shows, and about Tweezer, and of course, about her approach to interpreting some of these legendary pieces of improvisation.

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Welcome back! As a reminder, from now through December, we’ll be tracking Phish’s progression in the 1990s by focusing on 25 important shows of the 90s—leading up to the tour that changed everything, Fall 1997. And we’ll discuss every show of Fall ‘97.

Today we’re talking about Amy’s Farm, 8/3/91, with the one and only Amy Skelton. Amy talks to us about her involvement with the band and the show that she hosted, which really was Phish’s first festival. These tapes were ubiquitous in the trading days. In the episode, we talk about the musical highlights and the importance of this gig at this point in the band’s career.

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Welcome to Undermine Season 4! We are back to track the road to Fall ‘97, and to celebrate amazing shows of the 1990s while leading up to that legendary tour. From now through December, we’ll be tracking Phish’s progression in the 1990s by focusing on 25 important shows of the 90’s—leading up to the tour that changed everything, Fall 1997, and we’ll discuss EVERY show of that tour.

We start this season with 11/2/90, from Boulder, Colorado, with guest John Paluska. This show is notable because of course, this is Phish’s second trip to Colorado. In 1990, they would play 20 shows there. This show was a widely circulated tape, with some notable music moments we’ll discuss. And of course, John Paluska was Phish’s manager from 1990-2004, and helped the band grow in every way during the 1990s.

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At the end of the 13 show Baker’s Dozen, a run filled with jams, bustouts, debut covers, and zero repeats, Phish was awarded a banner to commemorate the event that would hang in the rafters of MSG among legendary sports achievements. And yet, like with the best moments in Phish history, the band didn’t simply sit back and admire their accomplishment, they used it to push themselves forward. Just as the Dick’s 2012 run inspired a return to jamming and setlist deconstruction, all of which built towards The Baker’s Dozen, the BD in turn has inspired Phish over the past five years to push through musical barriers, furthering their improvisational capabilities & pushing their music in ways no one thought possible.

In the Season Finale of Undermine S3 we assess what The Baker’s Dozen meant & how it inspired Phish to attack 2018 and 2019, while also laying the groundwork for one of the best years of their career - 2021. In conversations with fans and Phish thinkers alike, we explore the songwriting explosion that came out of The Baker’s Dozen, and the renewed approach to show structure now that they’d seen how impactful their jamming could be within a show.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next season.

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When they returned from the hiatus in 2009, it took time for the band to regain their fluid improvisation. Over the next four years, they worked to strengthen their onstage communication, refine their approach, and ultimately reignite their jamming in 2012. From there, they began experimenting and taking risks, and by the time they reached The Baker’s Dozen, they were ready to take another step forward in their improvisation—dedicating three weeks to deep jamming. Since this run, jamming has become a focus of Phish’s live shows, pushing the band forward creatively in ways many never expected.

In this episode, we dive into the band’s approach to improvisation, with a specific focus on their evolution from Dick’s 2012 through The Baker’s Dozen. Identifying key breakthroughs, stylistic shifts, and the resulting brilliance of the Summer 2017, we discuss The Baker’s Dozen as an achievement as well as a laboratory to propel the band forward. Through discussions with music experts and fans, we celebrate the jams of The Baker’s Dozen and explore how they ushered in the next phase of Phish’s career.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Episode Four pic by Andrea Nusinov. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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For as long as Phish fans have gathered to discuss and debate the band, the band’s setlists have been a consistent talking point. What songs are in the rotation, how do jams in typically non-jamming slots affect a show, why were there so many bustouts in a single show, what’s the thematic arc of the show? These topics and more have been analyzed by fans for decades—and we know it’s been thought about extensively by the band as well. By way of The Baker’s Dozen, Phish coalesced nearly 40 years of setlisting experimentations into a single run.

In Undermine S3E3 we dive into the evolution of Phish setlists. Beginning with 1993’s expanding catalog and 1994’s irreverent experimentation, we walk listeners through the band’s approach to crafting setlists based on the muse of the time. We discuss the approach to setlisting that separated the 3.0 era by way of 2012, and how comfortable and confident the band felt playing 13 shows with zero repeats by 2017. Beginning with a snapshot of Federal Donuts, we dive into one of the most unique aspects of The Baker’s Dozen—the songs Phish played.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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Throughout their history, Phish has constantly sought new ways to break down the barriers between their performance and their audience. Dubbed, The Long Gig (the LG), the band initially conceived of an indoor show where they’d announce to the audience that the doors were locking and they were going to play for 24hrs straight. This idea ultimately evolved into the band’s all-night set at Big Cypress on 12/31/99, and served as an inspiration for The Baker’s Dozen seventeen years later.

In Undermine S3E2 we explore the concept of residencies in rock music, as well as in New York City, while diving into the evolving structure of a Phish tour which sought to create as immersive an experience as possible for fans. Focusing on the organizational approach to Big Cypress, we highlight the logistics of putting on such an event and how this impacted the band’s decision to set up shop in New York City for three weeks. We close by hearing from the 13er club as they chart through their experiences between the January 2017 announcement of The Baker’s Dozen to the journey of 13 straight Phish shows. The gig is long, but the jams - as we’ll discuss in a later episode - were worth it.

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In the Summer of 2017 Phish settled into Madison Square Garden, “The World’s Most Famous Arena,” for a residency of 13 shows, immortalized as The Baker’s Dozen. Across nearly three weekends and four weekday gigs, Phish played 230+ songs without repeating a single one. They fused jokes from their past with music that looked ahead to their future, and connected with the fan community in a way they’d long hoped to. It was a historic run—not only for the band, but in rock history.

In the first episode of the season, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall walks listeners through the history of Madison Square Garden, as well as Phish’s history in that room. Highlighting the importance of the venue to 20th Century American Culture, as well as the comfort Phish had playing in such a historic room, we set the table for our third season on the band’s home court. We hear from journalists such as Will Hermes and Rob Mitchum, as well as fans who got to all 13 nights of the run such as Dianna Hank and Sam Timberg.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brain Brinkman, Matt Dwyer, and Benjy Eisen. Produced and edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. It is written by Benjy Eisen. Production assistance from Rob Mitchum, Matt Bavuso, Christina Collins and Nick Cejas. Original Music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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Hey there, Undermine fans! Please enjoy the first episode of our new fiction podcast: Sugar Maple. If you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe to see where the story goes!

In the series premiere, we meet our narrator, Terrance Woodridge, who brings us a tale he’s chased down: the story of Sugar Maple, the guitar of legend with a timeless sound that's passed from hand to hand over the years.

In this episode, we go back to 1951 and hear the story of "Sweet Licks" Bobby Lindro, an orphan from the farmlands outside Chicago. When his brand new Telecaster’s neck is destroyed, he's sure nothing can replace it, until his Aunt procures mysterious wood that seems to make Bobby's guitar truly sing, and gives Bobby dreams that carry him places he never meant to go.

Sugar Maple is presented by Osiris Media. Be sure to listen to the premiere of the song from this episode, Brimstone Lampfire, on March 15, wherever you listen to music. Please check out the limited edition poster for this episode, and the limited NFT release of episode and series art. If you like what you hear, please give us a review wherever you listen to your podcasts.

Episode 1 stars Fred Savage as Terrance Woodrige, pRicky Gee as Bobby Lindro, Connie Castanzo as Becky, Jo Walker as Rebecca Woodridge, Deborah Geffner as Aunt Buggy, Daniel Light as Del Faucet, and Michelle Hurst as Doc.

Brimstone Lampfire was written by Patrick Hart and Michael John Hancock.

The Executive Producers of Sugar Maple are Tom Marshall and RJ Bee. Produced, Edited, Mixed and Mastered by Brad Stratton. Story by Ben Colmery, A.R. Moxon, and Tom Marshall. Episode 1 written by A.R. Moxon and Ben Colmery. Directed by James Masciovecchio. Musical direction by Don Hart. Produced by Tom Sullivan. Production assistance from Zach Brogan and Christina Collins. Art by Mark Dowd. Legal assistance from Gerald Gottesman.

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At the onset of the 2020s, Trey Anastasio got stuck on a platform high above MSG. While he played through with humor and grace, the moment would serve as the prelude to a year where we all felt unhinged. For those who were infected by Covid, or lost loved ones, 2020 was a nightmare. For everyone, it was an unexpected pause, marked by tension and a longing for normalcy.

In the Season 2 finale, we explore the last two years, through the lens of Phish. We hear from the Undermine team about our experiences in 2020, how Dinner And A Movie and The Beacon Jams helped us get through the year at home, and then we shift gears to discuss Phish in 2021. We talk about the anxiety of returning to live music, the thrill of hearing the first notes, and how Sci-Fi Soldiers may impact Phish long term. The band gave us a number of unexpected, albeit needed, gifts over the previous two years, proving once again, that if we as a community, simply surrender to the flow, the magic of Phish will prove that you’re already there.

Thanks to everyone who has listened, commented, and shared Season 2! We will be back in Spring 2022 with Season 3!

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading storyteller in music. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook, and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.

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To this point, Season 2 of Undermine has mirrored the fan experience with Phish—traveling to see them, engaging with the community, and trying to understand why we dedicate so much time, energy and money to this band. But what happens if you fall in love with Phish but have no ability to see them live or to engage with the community in person? What does the band mean to you if they’re 10,000 miles away?

In this episode, we meet Phish fans from around the world. Some are foreign nationals who discovered the band via the internet but have had limited opportunities to see the band. Others are Americans who either went to live abroad, or chased the band overseas because they couldn’t get enough. Featuring interviews with Lee Farber, Mark Lewis, Jason Tully, Dylan Behan and more, we explore the global reach of Phish to better understand the total power of their music.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading storyteller in music. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook, and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.

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Beyond the tape trading, the road trips, the lot vibe, the people you meet, the lights dropping, etc, the reason we all come back to Phish is for the music. Why do people throw everything they have into this band? Why are we podcasting about them in 2021? Why are we trying to decipher all of their inside jokes? Why are we debating and relisting to jams decades after they happened?

In this episode we explore these questions and more. Focusing on the world Phish has built through their music, we hear from die hard fans who break down the why behind their Phish fandom. Featuring interviews with Dave Calarco, Carla Ngo, Scott Bernstein, Pu Tzu and more, this episode looks at the extreme in-joke nature of the Phish fan experience and tries to better understand why we simple cannot get enough of this crazy band.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.

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And after all that, we go collect our thoughts and go back to waiting again for 15 minutes (they always promise it’ll be 15 minutes!). Setbreak is the time to get a grip back on reality, connect with neighbors, meet people, take a stroll, grab a bite, you name it. It’s the in between. Something has happened, and something more will happen, but for now, we wait once again.

In this episode, we explore what happens at setbreak while checking in with fans to learn more about the spiritual nature of a Phish show and to understand perspectives from using psychedelics to remaining sober at a show. We meet Jake Cohen and Rabbi Jessy Dressin, while hearing from Vic Vela, Paige Clem and more.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.

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The anticipation has been building for hours, months...maybe even years. So many hours spent listening to shows, so much planning just to get you into the venue and in your spot for the moment we all wait for: when the lights finally drop. It’s a moment of ecstasy for many, a relief for others, and the beginning of the journey into the unknown of that night’s show for all of us in attendance.

In this episode, we explore the routines and stories from the community—hearing about what many of us do to ensure we’re exactly where we need to be to get the most out of each show. We also further explore our diverse community. We meet the rail riders, as well as activists who are doing all they can to ensure the safety of all fans at a show. Featuring stories from Lacy Boughn, Ashley Griffin, Dave Calarco, Ashley Driscoll of GrooveSafe, and more, we further explore why the Phish scene continues to evolve, and how we can be a kinder, more respectful community.

We’re going to take an extended set break while we all enjoy Phish’s Fall Tour. We’ll be back on Wednesday, November 3!

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees.

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Breaking Waves: Seattle is the story of the scene that defined rock in the ‘90s. The show traces the roots of grunge, and details the rise and fall of the Seattle scene, and concludes with a look forward, examining the legacy of grunge and highlighting the current and emerging artists who will create Seattle’s next breaking wave. Produced for Audacy by Osiris Media.

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There’s that moment at every Phish show where we transition from the bliss of the pre-show party to the business at hand of the show itself. We walk in, get our seats, gaze at the stage, and realize how many of us there are to see this incredible band. With this comes the realization that we’re amongst a wide and disparate tribe of people chasing the same thing, oftentimes from different starting points.

In this episode, we explore those different starting points and the diverse group of fans that make up the Phish fan base. We hear about the challenges some fans face when feeling included in the scene, the obstacles many overcome just to experience a show, and ask some serious questions about who we are as a fanbase. Featuring stories from Malcolm Howard, Shaunea Robinson, Laura Keating, Stephanie Jenkins, and more, we highlight just how many people Phish has attracted, while showcasing ways that we can become a more unified and equal fanbase.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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At first blush, hanging out in a parking lot doesn’t sound that fun. But the Phish parking lot experience is completely different—part bazaar, part sprawling tailgating party, it’s a place for people to meet, hang out, exchange money for goods, and start the good times before a concert.

In this episode, we stroll through the lot, conversing with vendors and artists alike, and hear from a few musicians about how Phish inspired their own creativity. Featuring stories from AJ Masthay, Dean Budnick, Joel Cummins, Holly Bowling, and more, we dive deep into the world of the lot, to learn more about why so many of us show up to a Phish venue hours before the concert even begins.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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When we think of the Phish community, we usually think about the obsessive, or at the very least, passionate, fans. However, behind the scenes, in every venue Phish plays in, there’s a community that works together to make sure that the show goes on—safely, smoothly, and in the most enjoyable way possible.

In this episode, we hear from the crew, the bartenders, the ushers, and so many more, as they walk us through the load in and load out process before and after every Phish show. Featuring stories from Chris

Kuroda, Brad Sands, Beth Montouri Rowles, and more, we dive deep into the world behind the stage, to learn about the community that makes Phish shows happen.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein and Julia Shuster. Social media by Nick Cejas. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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While many Phish fans in the early 90s discovered Phish by way of message boards and tape trades, the band solidified their status as one of the most important bands of the era through their unpredictable and thrilling live shows—and when you just had to hear, or see, the tour to understand the full story.

In this episode, we hear about adventures on tour, and explore why “going on tour” is an essential element of the Phish community. We hear stories from fans like Drew Hitz, Chris Glushko, Gina Schmidt, and Laura Keating, while also exploring the nature of Phish criticism from fans like Dave Calarco, Steven Hyden and Rob Mitchum.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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In the early days of the internet, college kids from around the country began to congregate online to discuss Phish and trade information and live show tapes. Evolving alongside the internet itself, the community helped the band reach new fans, expand their sound and reach a level of success which few could have foreseen in the 1980s.

In the first episode of Undermine Season Two, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall walks listeners through the evolution of tape trading and the digital dialogue around Phish in the 1990s. We hear how this community grew, with insight from people like Charlie Dirksen, Shelly Culbertson, Michael Lazerow and Stephanie Jenkins, while hearing from a lot of fans who were part of the early Phish scene.

Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media, the leading music storyteller. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Written by Benjy Eisen. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Produced by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart, Brad TenBrook and Dawn Jenkins. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We'll see you next week!

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Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. In Season 2 we'll turn our focus to YOU, the Community. We've interviewed over 100 Phish fans to get to the heart of what's shaped this community, how it originated, how it's evolved, what issues persist, and how it's communicated with each other over the the last 30 years. In addition, we'll explore how Phish impacted the lives of their fans during 2020 & now, as live shows have returned.

Undermine Season 2 will premier on Wednesday, September 8.

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Phish tour is back, and so is the Helping Friendly Podcast! HF Pod On Tour will feature live video Quick Hits at 1pm the day after every show—on Osiris Media's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube channels.

We'll also have podcast episodes every Tuesday with a rundown of the tour thus far. Featuring great conversation, fans who were at the shows, and lots of laughs and music. Subscribe to the Helping Friendly Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.

We'll also be doing a very special event around Dick's, and an amazing contest that will be announced soon. HF Pod On Tour is presented by Shift Cannabis.

We have a special episode for you today, looking in depth at JamBase's Cluster Flies, the covers compilation reimagining Phish’s album Farmhouse. The limited-edition 3LP release was mastered by engineer Joe Lambert and features custom artwork and a poster created by longtime Phish collaborator Jim Pollock. You can pre-order the LP and Pollock poster here through Monday, May 3, or pre-order the digital version, which will be released on Friday, April 30.

This episode includes an interview with JamBase CEO Dave Onigman, conducted by Dave and Brian from the Undermine team. We also have a song recommendation from Cluster Flies from each member of the Undermine team. We hope you enjoy this amazing compilation.

These Phish covers were recorded by Umphrey’s McGee’s Brendan Bayliss, Club d’Elf, Daniel Donato, Chris Forsyth, Neal Francis, Jennifer Hartswick, Amy Helm, Lindsay Lou, Reed Mathis, White Denim’s James Petralli, Strand Of Oaks, Sylvan Esso, William Tyler, Sadler Vaden, Vetiver, Ryley Walker, and a supergroup led by Tim Palmieri (which includes our very own Amar Sastry).

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Alive Again is a limited series podcast exploring the solo career of Trey Anastasio.

Based on extensive interviews with Trey and his bandmates and collaborators, Alive Again will dive into evolution of Trey’s songwriting and creative development, as well as the enduring career of the Trey Anastasio Band.

The show will also cover Trey’s memories composing with Ernie Stires, his orchestral work, and his Broadway experience. The band’s experience with The Beacon Jams will be explored as well.

Coming this Summer. Visit https://www.osirispod.com/podcasts/alive-again/ for more info and to sign up for our email newsletter.

On the season finale of Undermine, we hear from fans who saw Phish in the 1980s, and hear their perspectives on the band’s development as they grew from a college bar band into a regional phenomenon. In addition, we hear how tape trading first entered the Phish community, and how it fueled the band's growth. Finally, we speak to Paul Languedoc, Phish’s longtime sound engineer and Trey’s guitar maker. We hear about his life and career, how he came to work for Phish, and the band's progression toward the 1990s.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you this summer for Season Two.

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This week, we take a step back to examine Phish’s November 23, 1985 show at Goddard College, with a specific focus on the 27-min Whipping Post. During this show, Mike Gordon had an epiphany & decided he wanted to pursue music for the rest of his life. The jam in question shares a lot in common with early jamming from The Grateful Dead. We explore Phish’s relationship to The Dead, and focus comparing the two band’s during their formative years as well as looking at where The Dead was when Phish was originating.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

This week, we look at Phish’s legendary show from the Paradise Rock Club, in Boston, on January 26, 1989. In yet another example of Phish refusing to play by the rules set by mainstream music, the band rented out the room and sold tickets against it. We hear from one of the guys who was involved in helping to sell out the show, and we talk about the band’s forays into Boston and New York in 1989.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Nick Cejas, Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

In this episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall guides us through the making and release of Junta, Phish’s first official debut album. Interviews with Junta audio engineer, Gordon Hookailo, Junta cover-artist Jim Pollock, Phish’s first manager Ben Hunter and others who remember this pivotal time in Phish history.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins, Nick Cejas and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

This week, we go Westward, to explore Phish’s trip to Colorado in 1988 in more detail, and to dive into the Mike’s Song from August 3, 1988. Dave and Brian also talk about King Crimson and Genesis, and the way those bands influenced Phish.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd.

How did a college project about the mythical land of Gamehendge become one of the most intriguing pieces of Phish lore? And how did The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday fit into the evolution of Phish in the important years of 1987 and 1988?

In this episode of Undermine, RJ, Matt, Jonathan and Brad discuss Phish in 1987 and 1988, including how the band’s sound changed as they solidified into the four-piece they are today, how new songs changed their playing and approach to the live shows, the importance of The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday, and how an excursion to Colorado in 1988 affected the band’s development.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Writing and production assistance by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance by Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Art by Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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Core to the music of Phish are complex, evolving, emotionally moving compositions. Many of these early songs—Divided Sky, You Enjoy Myself, Foam, and others—remain highlights of the live experience. These songs created early in Phish’s career have stood the test of time, but what makes them so special?

In this episode, we’ll hear about three of these songs from Don Hart, the composer and arranger who has worked with Trey Anastasio for more than 15 years; and Drew Hitz, a classically trained musician and Phish fan. Don and Drew will walk us through these songs and talk about why they are such enduring pieces of Phish’s catalog.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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Phish’s song David Bowie combines quirky lyrics with an intricate musical arrangement that’s fit for a symphony. Starting with a discussion of the spirit and substance of this song, and a focus on the 8/29/87 version, Brian Brinkman and David Goldstein then use 1980s Phish to examine other notable bands from the decade like Minutemen, Yo La Tengo, Hüsker Dü, and R.E.M.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

How did Phish go from playing cafeteria gigs at UVM to Madison Square Garden in only 10 years? We start to chart this path by looking at shows from 1983-1986, where intimate venues like Nectar’s and Doolin’s offered the band a chance to practice and refine their live sets. And at the same time, more experimental shows at places like Goddard College allowed the band to push further into the unknown. At the same time, the transition from a two-guitar band to a four-piece with keys, and the introduction of lots of new songs, combined to lay the foundation of Phish’s modern sound.

In episode two of Undermine, RJ Bee, Jonathan Hart, Matt Dwyer, and Brad TenBrook explore some of Phish’s fundamental shows from 1983-1986, and the songs, venues, and overall sound that developed during these years.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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How did a band with no major label from a small city in Northern Vermont become one of the biggest bands in music within a decade? What were the origins of Phish and what laid the foundation for their cultural timeline and organic growth?

In the first episode of Undermine, Phish lyricist Tom Marshall brings in the perspectives of fans and collaborators who saw their rise in Vermont and helped to create the scene that was critical as the band found their groove and structure in the early 80s.

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Undermine is brought to you by Osiris Media. Executive Producers are Tom Marshall, RJ Bee, Brian Brinkman and Matt Dwyer. Produced and Edited by Brian Brinkman. Mixed and Mastered by Matt Dwyer. Co-hosted by David Goldstein, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook. Production assistance and writing by Noah Eckstein. Production Assistance from Christina Collins and Dawn Jenkins. Original music by Amar Sastry. Show logo from Mark Dowd. Thank you to all of our interviewees. We’ll see you next week.

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Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. The first season will focus on Phish’s genesis in the 1980s—through deep-dives into the music, shows and songs; interviews with people who were there for the early years; and discussion about the lasting impact of these foundational years. Undermine is a combination of Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond. Presented by Osiris Media.

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This is the final Under the Scales episode! We are merging with two other Phish podcasts to form Undermine, a new weekly podcast starting in February 2021.

In this episode, friend and Osiris colleague Mike Finoia joins Tom to discuss the song Two Versions of Me, a Phish song written in 2003.

If you are currently an Under the Scales subscriber, you don’t have to do anything — you will automatically be subscribed to the new podcast Undermine. Otherwise, subscribe NOW to not miss any amazing Phishy, weekly content!

Special Thanks to Mark Dowd - original Producer for Under the Scales, photo artist AND designer of the famous Under the Scales logos over the years.

Thanks to Anna Marshall who sang on both Under the Scales intro-jingles AND was a great guest.

Thanks to Nick Cejas for somehow always getting Under the Scales to bubble up to the top of the Osiris Media social feeds.

Thanks to Christina Collins for exemplary sponsorship and advertising work for Under the Scales.

Thanks to Adam and Kirsten and the Osiris team for overwhelming support and encouragement.

Thanks interns Sammy and Matt for all your hard work!

Thanks to Matt Dwyer for helping me out of tough audio fixes now and again.

Thanks to Jesse Lauter for REALLY saving my bacon TWICE with completely broken interview audio that somehow you magically fixed!

Thanks to Tebo for being there always.

Thanks to Scott Herman for finding the right words.

Thanks to Scott Gray for keeping the dream alive.

Thanks Trey for the music and mystery!

Thanks Beth Rowles on the Phish team for so much help and support.

Thanks Patrick and Jason at Red Light for endless and tireless assistance.

Thanks to my amazing Reefers!

Thanks to my faithful longtime listeners!

Thanks to my brand new listeners and everyone in-between!

Thanks to all the amazing guests who appeared on Under the Scales!

Thanks to RJ Bee for saying “yes, and…” — plus, literally everything else.

Hugs to my family for dealing with living in the same house as a podcaster…it’s not always easy!

It’s been a great ride!

Love, from Tom

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UNDERMINE comes to life!! What is Undermine? It's a new podcast!!! It is nothing short of the biggest and best Phish podcast ever. The "Big Three" Osiris Phish podcasts, Under the Scales, Helping Friendly Podcast and Beyond the Pond are merging to form the new go-to WEEKLY Phish podcast, Undermine. Weekly we said, you read that correctly...we are going to have the hosts of all the three shows working together to bring you stunning Phishy content every week. Undermine will excavate the deep history of the band through interviews, in-depth analysis of the band’s music, and looks at broader musical themes and influences. This episode is hosted by Tom Marshall from Under the Scales, RJ Bee from HF Pod and Brian Brinkman from Beyond the Pond. We give you an idea of what to expect with Undermine.

Also -- listen to this episode and something will jump out at you -- not RJ's jokes...but rather, the MUSIC! Amar Sastry, known as @brahmin_noodles on Twitter, is famous for his beautiful guitar renderings of Phish songs. We're so lucky to have gotten him to provide unbelievable original music for Undermine, and we preview it here! You will thank us.

We also each personally select a jam for your listening pleasure.

We hope you enjoy. Undermine premiers in February 2021 with the full compliment of hosts from the three shows: Brian Brinkman and David Goldstein from Beyond the Pond, RJ Bee, Matt Dwyer, Jonathan Hart and Brad TenBrook from HF Pod, and Tom Marshall from Under the Scales.

MUSIC:

8/3/98 Halley’s>

2/28/03 Gin >

8/16/09 Number Line

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Tom is joined by fellow Osiris podcaster Mike Finoia (Comes a Time). Mike pilots the submarine as they do a deep dive into the 1998 Phish song Mountains in the Mist. Awaken beasts!

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This November, the top 3 Osiris Phish podcasts are focusing on November 1995 - a great era in Phish history. Under the Scales welcomes back Brad Sands who appeared two years ago on Episode 40 in June 2018. Brad and Tom today discuss Phish’s November 1995. Coming after their ambitious cover of The Who’s Quadrophenia for Halloween that year, Phish was off to the races. Their playing was stellar, and their antics were top-shelf Phish. Listen to Brad look back at that era as he relives it show-by-show.

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Fall 2000 was a tumultuous time — politics were dividing the country, the internet was advancing faster than society could keep up, and the recording industry was undergoing major change. We take another look at this time through the lens of another band, Radiohead. Steven Hyden, author of a great book “This isn’t Happening” about Radiohead’s revolutionary album “Kid A” which came out in October 2000, joins Tom for a discussion which covers Phish, Radiohead and everything in between.

This Isn’t Happening can be found here:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0306845687/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_x_tSkLFb0QVX3ZZ

Steven Hyden co-hosts an Osiris podcast of his own about the Grateful Dead called 36 From the Vault.

https://www.osirispod.com/podcasts/36-from-the-vault/

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This Isn't Happening: Radiohead's "Kid A" and the Beginning of the 21st Century

As part of the Osiris Phish podcast ‘October Project’, along with Beyond the Pond and HF Pod, we are examining Phish’s epic Fall 2000 tour. In this second of two episodes, Tom interviews John Paluska who was Phish’s first manager. John sheds light on Phish’s decision to take their first hiatus after playing hard on the road for 17 years.

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As part of the Osiris Phish podcast ‘October Project’, along with Beyond the Pond and HF Pod, we are examining Phish’s epic Fall 2000 tour. In this first of two episodes, Tom interviews Andy Gadiel, the founder of Jambase, who was at every show for the latter part of this tour. Andy sheds light from the audience perspective on what it meant to have the band take their first break from touring for 17 years.

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RJ and Tom dive deeply to examine the Phish song Leaves.

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Tom talks with Bob Lefsetz, music industry analyst, author, podcaster and Phish fan about the state of music in the world today.

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RJ Bee and Tom take a deep dive into the lyrics of Chalkdust Torture

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Tom speaks to the multiple grammy-winning producer, engineer and mixer responsible for so much of the great music we all listen to, Vance Powell. Recently having completed co-production of Sigma Oasis, he tells us how he got here and about some of the other fantastic artists who rely upon him to create their own signature sound.

Audio Engineer: Jesse Lauter @jesselauter

Audio Engineer: Matt Dwyer @mdphunk

Photography: Rene Huemer @rene_huemer

RJ Bee and Tom take a deep dive into the lyrics of Evening Song

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This episode is a rebroadcast from June 2018: Osiris co-founder RJ Bee interviews Tom on Under the Scales for the 20th anniversary of Phish's album Story of the Ghost. Tom & RJ call a special guest to answer some additional questions.

We are sadly unable to deliver a new episode as planned this week due to an unexpected health issue - see more information on the Under the Scales Twitter page here: https://twitter.com/UnderTheScales

We hope you understand, and will bring you a new episode as soon as possible. In the meantime, please enjoy this rebroadcast of a crowd favorite - Trey's Ghost Story.

Tom is joined by a very special guest for the new Under the Scales season premier. Don Hart is a Nashville composer and arranger, and has been working with Trey since 2004 to add beautiful orchestration to so many of his songs. Don discusses working with Trey, and their technique, and illuminates the details behind many of their collaborations in a very musical episode.

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The secrets and stories behind the Pharmers Almanac Volume 6, bible to Phish fans when it came out in October 2000, are told by its creator Kevin Cassels. Fly backwards 20 years into Phish's remarkable history with Kevin and Tom.

Recorded by Julia Shuster

The wonderful bluegrass sensation Billy Strings is on the show! Billy shares 5 important songs with Tom and explains how they influenced his career.

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Rock writer Jesse Jarnow is featured. We discuss his many articles, books and career at large. One article in particular created enormous ripples (a tsunami?) in the Phish community. Jesse is known in the Osiris world as the voice/writer of After Midnight, a tribute to Phish's 1999 Big Cypress festival.

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Dan Berkowitz, founder and president of CID Presents is interviewed by Tom and RJ. What is CID Presents? How did they pull off yet another amazing Phish gala in Mexico? Why did Phish move to a different resort? What is CID doing next? All these questions and more, answered.

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Conclusion (Part 2). Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee, A Western Sun, Brian & Robert (Phish), Jive II, Birds of a Feather (Phish).

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(Part 1 of 2) Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee, A Western Sun, Brian & Robert (Phish), Jive II, Birds of a Feather (Phish).

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Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend talks songwriting, Phish, music industry, show biz, influences, New York and more.

RJ Bee joins Tom to interview Ezra in a far-ranging open-ended interview where the Vampire Weekend effect is viewed through a Phish lens occasionally.

Please check out other Osiris podcasts Still Chasing, Freak Flag Flying, 36 from the Vault and Phemale-Centrics.

Cal Kehoe, guitarist for Pink Talking Fish, talks music with Tom. The two met exactly 10 years ago, and have written three songs together and shared a stage at a Phish after show during the Bakers Dozen in 2017. Listen to Cal discuss PTF and the method and philosophy behind covering three bands.

There's a lot of music in this podcast. "Anthony" from Sonic Boom Studios in Raritan NJ is mentioned several times...but not his last name for some reason...sorry Anthony KRIZAN!!! Anthony and Tom and Cal have written and recorded together.

Those songs along with a lot of Pink Talking Fish are played. Tom and Cal's song Limbo is discussed and played in its entirety at the end of the show.

(BTW...yes, we know that it's actually "Sheep" and not "Dogs".)

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Another Osiris podcast, Beyond the Pond, has compiled their top-30 albums of the decade. Tom talks to them about their motivations and the thoughts behind making such an epic compilation. We hear music from each of the hosts' top-10 selections.

Brian Brinkman's top 10 albums:

Brian’s Top Ten Albums of The 2010s:

The War On Drugs: Lost In The Dream
Deerhunter: Halcyon Digest,
The National: High Violet,
Vampire Weekend: Modern Vampires Of The City,
Low: Double Negative,
The Walkmen: Heaven,
Cass McCombs: Tip Of The Sphere,
Beach House: Teen Dream,
Bon Iver: Bon Iver,
The National: Trouble Will Find Me,

David Goldstein's top 10 albums:

David’s Top Ten Albums of The 2010s:

Robyn: Body Talk
The National: High Violet,
HAIM: Days Are Gone,
The War On Drugs: Lost In The Dream,
Sturgill Simpson: Metamodern Sounds In Country Music,
The Horrors: Primary Colours,
Wooden Ships: V,
Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy,
Cut Copy: Zonoscope,
Viet Cong: Viet Cong,

Beyond The Pond on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7pVgB1jEqrwmWzsTPzkwGj

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We want to tell you about a new show from Osiris, After Midnight. It tells the story of Phish’s groundbreaking festival on the eve of the new millennium, Big Cypress. Phish built a city for 80,000 fans in the Everglades, and capped off the festival by playing for 7 hours, ending the concert during sunrise on January 1, 2000. This five-episode series includes interviews with band members Trey Anastasio and Jon Fishman, fans and crew, and looks back on one of the most unique performances in music history. We're going to play the trailer for you now. Please listen, and go toosirispod.com/aftermidnightto subscribe.

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Listening can make you wonder. If you've ever wondered about the songs: Dirt, Guyute, Undermind or Light, then listen to this lyrics-analysis podcast and perhaps pieces will fall into place for you. But keep wondering anyway.

Photo Credit: Tom Marshall

Photo Art: Mark Dowd

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The lyrics for 3 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. The Wedge, Crowd Control and No Men in No Mans Land are all on the table.

produced by RevoiceMedia.com

Photo credit: Jay Sweet

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From 2011 to 2014 there was an amazing Phish podcast called Analyze Phish hosted by Scott Aukerman and Harris Wittels. Once it ended, Tom Marshall, saw an opportunity for another Phish podcast and launched Under the Scales in 2016. In this episode, Tom interviews one of the Analyze Phish hosts, Scott Aukerman. This episode contains clips from the Analyze Phish podcast:

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/a-different-angle/

https://www.earwolf.com/episode/phish-live-in-ny/

Special thanks to Scott Aukerman, RJ Bee and Earwolf’s friendly staff.

Thanks to producers Nick Ruffini and Kirsten Cluthe of RevoiceMedia.com.

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Under the Scales is proud to preview a full episode from Osiris' newest podcast, The Tapes Archive. This one features an interview with Trey Anastasio from 1993 -- a key moment in Phish's growth and transition to a national act.

Subscribe here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-tapes-archive/id1477111579

Check out: https://www.thetapesarchive.com

Produced and engineered by: revoicemedia.com

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Phish's charitable arm, the Waterwheel Foundation, is discussed by the founders: Beth Montouri Rowles, Matthew Beck and Henry Schwab.

Produced by RevoiceMedia.com

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Tom speaks with Brando Rich of CashOrTrade.org. Platinum tickets, hoarding, scalping and more are discussed, and how new technology is helping to get face-value tickets into fan’s hands. The ticket secondary market is examined. Buyers often face steep markups, but there are new methods being employed to get more face-value tickets to fans. Produced by revoicemedia.com.

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The lyrics for 5 popular Phish songs are examined lovingly by the Under the Scales forensic team. Scents & Subtle Sounds, Walls of the Cave, Joy, Steam and Pebbles & Marbles are all on the table. Is there a nod to David Bowie in Joy? Is there a very valuable Walls of the Cave T-Shirt about to hit the auction block? Did Tom's dad accidentally steer him off the electrical engineering track and into rock lyrics? Did Tom's voice slip unnoticed onto an actual Phish album? Was Steam composed on an iPad? Did a Walls of the Cave prank sow the seeds for Kasvot Vaxt? YES is the likely answer to all the above. Only one way to get the details...jump in to UTS Episode 52: LYRICS REPRISE!

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In this episode, Tom dives into the meaning of five popular Phish songs, chosen by co-hosts Tebo Thomas and RJ Bee: Wading in the Velvet Sea, Blaze On, Horn, Bug and Life Boy.

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Kevin Statesir, Trey’s brother-in-law and founder of the Burlington Vermont music venue Higher Ground, joins Tom in the studio to discuss Phish from a family perspective, and also how Higher Ground has become an integral piece in the Vermont music puzzle these days. Kevin’s long history in the music biz includes brushes with John Lennon and Keith Richards. Kevin also discusses Trey’s efforts to help with the hurricane-ravaged island of Tortola, Please check out http://trey.com/tortola-relief/ to learn more.

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A sampling of Mike’s music accompanies further discussion about the creative process. Mike’s solo projects are covered, and songs highlighted. Mike’s motives for each subsequent project seems to change as his collaborations with admirable artists continues to abound. However, Scott Murawski emerges as possibly Mike’s longest collaborator. Mike discusses his extensive journals he keeps about his playing, and gives us a glimpse into these as he shares the best jams from previous tours. Mike turns the mic around and interviews Tom about songwriting with a few insightful questions.

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Mike Gordon joins Tom for the Under the Scales Season 3 opener. This is Part 1 of 2. Mike is a bass player, bandleader, consummate collaborator, songwriter, inventor. Mike speaks on the metaphysics of groove. See where this is going? WAS MIKE ALMOST IN THE WHO??

Crazy how many topics we covered, couldn’t get it done in one hour, so enjoy part 1 of the interview now, part 2 coming at you next Monday!

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For the Season 2 closer of Under the Scales, Mockingbird member Scott Marks - also known as @bizarchive - helps Tom rank the best New Years shows in the Phish 3.0 era.

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On Halloween 2018 in Las Vegas, Phish's costume entailed becoming a Scandinavian dance-pop band from the 80's. How? Why? I talk to my pals to sort it all out.

Guests:

Brian Brinkman,

David Steinberg,

Craig Hillwig,

Jen Bernstein,

RJ Bee,

Stephen "Tebo" Thomas,

Scott Gray

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Amazing host of the sensational HQ Trivia app, Scott Rogowsky, joins Tom and co-host RJ Bee for a spirited discussion and then a Phish trivia quiz!

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Jam Cruise Director, Loveboat Hostess, Tanuary, Mother Duck…call her what you will, Annabel Lukins will surprise you with her accomplishments, her love of music, and the depth of her abilities to thrive in the music business and be (actual) friends with everyone she encounters.

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JRAD guitarist, and Wolf, RANA, Amfibian, F-Hole, Particle and many many others, renaissance man guitarist Scott Metzger talks with Tom and friend Andrew Southern about his musical journey and all those bands!

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Tom and RJ interview Brad Serling, founder of Nugs.net, the company that powers LivePhish and gets webcasts into your home.

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Tom is joined by Jay Curley of Ben & Jerry's, the ice cream company, to discuss their multi-year relationship with Phish. Engineer: Brian Stollery

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Brad Sands, Phish's longtime road manager - from 1991 to 2004 - talks to Tom and Tebo about the good old days, and has some great behind the scenes stories.

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Osiris co-founder RJ Bee interviews me on Under the Scales for the 20th anniversary of Phish's album Story of the Ghost. We call a special guest to answer some additional questions.

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I interview Felicia D’Ambrosio, one of the partners of Federal Donuts who supplied all the donuts for Phish’s Baker’s Dozen shows July and August 2017. We learn about stairwells, Neil Young, and that holes are a flavor.

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I wander around the Dicks lot during the Phish shows in September 2017 in Denver. I meet and talk to a lot of people including Bethany Barker of Phish Chicks and Paige Clem of the Phellowship. Music, art, glassware, sandwiches, nitrous, artificial legs, tributes to lost fans and guidance aplenty.

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Jason Pinsky is Tom's guest in the Under the Scales Season 2 opener. Jason is a former Phish employee, music fan, food fan and cannabis connoisseur. YouTube version of the podcast.

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For our Season-ending episode I am joined by the founder of Jambase.com -- Andy Gadiel ushered Phish and fans into the internet age with one of the very first band websites on the World Wide Web. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Andy Bernstein, founder of HeadCount, talks to Tom about multiple Phish-related projects.

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Scott Herman and Tebo inflict severe Q&A upon Tom. Scott, for those unaware, has 18 or more Phish songwriting credits to his name. Also: the REAL Helping Friendly Book is revealed.

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Big Phil and Medium Phil, both longtime Phish friends and fans, stop by to ask Tom questions...only, they forgot the questions. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Eli Tishberg tells us about directing the video feed that allows us to see Phish live in our living rooms in unparalleled quality. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Jazz Is Phish drummer Adam Chase illuminates the intricate workings of one of the most creative Phish cover bands. YouTube version of this podcast.

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in the studio with Jim Pollock and David Welker, the two cornerstones of the Phish poster phenomenon. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Petrea Davis and Kelly Baines swim Under the Scales to inflict another Q&A upon Tom. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Tom puts the songwriting and recording process under the microscope with two co-writers and two new songs. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Kelly Morris, creator of the captivating video accompaniment to the Phish song 'More', tells us what MORE she has in store! YouTube version of this podcast.

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Yossarian Kelly, early friend of the Dead, early phan, early bird when it comes to growing cannabis legally, calls UTS from Washington to check in. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Garrett Phillips -- also known as PlusSizeModel on PhantasyTour -- describes, among other things, how to pack for a 35 month prison vacation. YouTube version of this podcast.

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GroupMe founder and Phish super-fan Steve Martocci talks about collaboration and inspiration on a beautiful day in New York City. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Andrea is an amazing Phish photographer who shares secrets on how her hobby took off! She also captures moments and the feeling we forgot. YouTube version of this podcast.

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A new type of episode, in which Tom answers your questions, or at least makes an attempt... YouTube version of this podcast.

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Holly Bowling continues entrancing us with her musical powers...and disassembles my piano! YouTube version of this podcast.

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Holly Bowling stops by the studio to educate us musically -- my piano has never sounded better! YouTube version of this podcast.

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The second half of the Benjy Eisen interview in which we cover Phish and Reed Mathis...oh, and life and lyrics. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Benjy Eisen talks about the wonderful book, Deal, he co-wrote with Bill Kreutzmann of the Grateful Dead. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Phan Art Pete (Mason) created a vibrant art enterprise which has grown beyond the Phish community where it started. And that's just ONE thing he's doing...

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I speak with Phillip Zerbo, co-editor for the incredible Phish Companion Volume 3. Can 30 years fit into 900 pages? YouTube version of this podcast.

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Mike Greenhaus gives us an amazing perspective on how Relix magazine has been involved in and crucial to the jam scene since its inception. YouTube version of this podcast.

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RJ and I talk to Andy Greenberg, guitarist for Phish cover-band Runaway Gin. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Trey Anastasio explains the magic of Paul Languedoc's guitars to me and Dan Kanter.

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Trey Anastasio shares years of guitar insights with me and Dan Kanter. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Jake Huffman catches me up on the McLovins. Remember the YEM video from 2008 when they were 14 years old?? YouTube version of this podcast.

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Jen Bernstein stops by to educate me about WEED. Yes, she does. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Tom Bazis is my guide into the infinite...his business is flotation and sensory deprivation and pure relaxation. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Steve Pollak, also known as THE DUDE OF LIFE, talks to me about the early days with Trey in Taft and brings us up to the present musically. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Ryan Stanley joins me in the studio to discuss his T-shirt business, Amfibian, a movie and other stuff. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Paul Glace, founder of PhantasyTour.com, is featured. We discuss the site's origins and how it grew to the incredible Phish fan destination it is today. YouTube version of this podcast.

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I interview David Steinberg, long-time Phish fan and the band's unofficial statistician. He's an author and extreme long-distance touring expert. He also times shows...and has the scars to prove it. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Co-hosts RJ and Jonathan and I take a DEEP DIVE into Tapers. Tapers are a huge part of Phish's history...but what are they? Who are they? Let's find out. Take a deep breath and jump in with us. YouTube version of this podcast.

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Derek Gregory joins me in the studio to discuss his extensive experience with Phish...he likes it up close to the band. Real close. I try to figure out the hows and whys of "riding the rail" as it's called. YouTube version of this podcast.

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In 1997, Trey and I escaped for long weekends to write a lot of songs which eventually appeared on Phish albums and became part of Phish's live repertoire. This is the story of one of those weekends, and how it got off to a horrifying start. Trey listened to this and said "it's like the secret backstory for the song Twist" -- and it really is. YouTube version of this podcast.

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My producer, Mark Dowd, and I take a ride through Trey's and my old grade-school, and discuss some history and motivation behind the Under the Scales podcast. YouTube version of this podcast.

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