Ted Turner, ONUG Board Member joins me to discuss how governance gets in the way of all digital transformation projects and is usually the root cause of failure, thanks to lack of control of information and data. CapitalOne is the poster boy for this topic, but it's systemic. During the winter months, ONUG formed a collaborative with Raytheon Technologies, Cigna and FedEx. JPMC, Kaiser Permanente, PNC and others joined as well to focus on the topic of Automated Cloud Governance. Ted and I start the first conversation on this topic.