This week, driven by the news cycle, and an interesting story... Rafal & James invite George and Shawn, as actual experts, onto the show.

Highlights from this week's show include...

• This news story - https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/zurich-refuses-to-pay-out-for/
• George & Shawn discuss the language of cyber policies
• We discuss language, inclusions, exclusions, and such
• George brings up Information vs Cyber, security

Other links related to this podcast:

• https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/cybersecurity/perspective-economic-strength-and-cybersecurity-interplay-in-u-s-china-trade-policy/
• https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/cybersecurity/perspective-5g-and-the-scrutiny-of-huawei-could-herald-cybersecurity-shift/
• https://www.bizcatalyst360.com/tearing-us-apart-at-ludicrous-speed/
• https://www.bizcatalyst360.com/economic-leverage-a-smarter-user-two-things-to-improve-cybersecurity/
• https://www.itspmagazine.com/from-the-newsroom/command-of-the-cyber-sea