Feelings inside and outside Ukraine are different. Outside, most people think Ukraine is doomed. Inside, most believe Ukraine will stand and never give up. I share the inside view, as does my guest today—a very active member of the Ukrainian parliament.Host: Volodymyr Yermolenko, a Ukrainian philosopher, the chief editor of UkraineWorld, and the president of PEN Ukraine.My guest today is Dmytro Natalukha, a member of the Ukrainian parliament, and the chairman of the economics affairs committee. Explaining Ukraine is a podcast by UkraineWorld, a multilingual media outlet about Ukraine.UkraineWorld is brought to you by Internews Ukraine, one of Ukraine's largest media NGOs.You can support our work at https://www.patreon.com/c/ukraineworld. We really need your support now because our media is increasingly relying on crowdfunding.You can also support our volunteer trips to the frontline areas, where we help both soldiers and civilians - bringing mostly cars for soldiers and books for civilians. You can support our trips at PayPal: ukraine.resisting@gmail.com