Josh and Kurt talk about open source and autonomy. This is even related to some recent return to office news. The conversation weaves between a few threads, but fundamentally there's some questions about why do people do what they do, especially in the world of open source. This also is a problem we see in security, security people love to tell developers what to do. Developers don't like being told what to do.

Show Notes * pycurl issue * Apple, SpaceX, Microsoft return-to-office mandates drove senior talent away * RSA ANIMATE: Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us * Sudo-rs dependencies: when less is better * phishing webcomic * Debian OpenSSL Bug (16 years)