Amy Webb joins me to discuss why artificial intelligence is not just another technology shift, but a civilisation-level reordering of work, power, wealth, biology and society.

Amy explains why the real AI question is not simply which jobs disappear, but which people become vulnerable. We discuss thinkers vs think-nots, why human capital may stop being the main driver of productivity and wealth, how GDP and unemployment could rise together, and why the economy may thrive while having less use for human labour.

We also get into China’s AI strategy, why governments are failing to plan for the transition, whether AI companies owe people for the data and knowledge they have absorbed, Amy’s idea of contribution credit, the limits of UBI, the future of synthetic biology and longevity, and why the current structures of regulation, politics and economics no longer make sense for the world we are entering.


TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 - The Economy May Not Need You

00:01:13 - Humanity-Scale Reordering

00:04:25 - Show Us Receipts

00:07:10 - Peter’s AI Assistant

00:08:00 - Three Years In Six Weeks

00:08:46 - AI Is Not One Technology

00:12:00 - Self-Improving Technology

00:13:30 - Thinkers And Think-Nots

00:16:44 - How To Become A Thinker

00:21:23 - Failed Transition Planning

00:23:58 - China’s AI Strategy

00:28:31 - What Happens Without Labour?

00:30:56 - Lights Out Industrialism

00:33:47 - AI Collapsing The Pyramid

00:35:12 - We Are Gen T

00:41:39 - Contribution Credit

00:52:43 - Should AI Be Regulated?

00:58:52 - What Futurists Actually Do

01:03:54 - AI And Biology

01:30:16 - Regulation Can’t Keep Up


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