In this episode we talk about UnTwelve Microtonal Recording Retreat (formerly known as "praxis sumer camp") with Jacob Barton, Vito Sicurella, and Ian Blaylock (phlub) in an initial conversation, and then with Thomas Scheurich in a secondary conversation. Most of our topics are on how music making practices and the camp itself is changing significantly over time. (At the beginning of the episode, I also mention the "UnTwelving" conference held by Positionen in Munich, Germany)! UnTwelving program (will we see it again?) https://www.untwelving.com/ UnTwelve Microtonal Recording Retreat: https://untwelve.org/2026 Lost and Found Things (by Christopher Bailey): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLby8OiGBluOXVSFLTOC5M7ocZ2Y2WNe6h Other UnTwelve projects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETVbr_p23iU&list=PLzY9zzOkuloQK0wv-JUqPhF5id6AXNJp- Support us on Patreon!https://www.patreon.com/nowandxen Follow http://nowandxen.libsyn.com https://twitter.com/now_xen https://www.facebook.com/nowxen/ Subscribe RSS: http://nowandxen.libsyn.com/rss iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n… Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1mhnGsH… Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/nowxen Twitter: https://twitter.com/now_xen Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nowxen/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnmYNMpemAIq8DnK5HJ9gsA