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This is a super special interview with one of my favorite colleagues and author, Jonathan Kaplan, author of “Urban Mindfulness.”

In this conversation we discussed:

• One of Jonathan’s favorite mindfulness exercises: sending warm wishes to people around you
• Why playing-it-safe behaviors are natural
• What is a playing-it-safe move
• Two skills to distinguish effective playing-it-safe moves from ineffective ones
• How to handle uncertainty
• How to handle ruling-thoughts about thinking (metacognitions)

In the middle of the conversation, you will hear me practicing “how to say” one of my favorite words in English, and one of Jonathan’s favorite jokes related to anxiety and playing-it-safe.