Dan Charnas, author of the 2023 PEN Literary Award-winning biography of Detroit music icon J-Dilla, joins Stephen to discuss music sampling - the art of one artists sound recording in another piece of music - and how he would expand protections for sampling artists. Then, Northwestern law professor Peter DiCola stops by to discuss the current law surrounding music sampling, followed by entertainment and intellectual property attorney Richard Busch, who makes the case for the current laws protecting original creators.