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Carrie Haynes
Are you curious about offering group work in your practice but find it difficult to get your groups filled and keep the momentum going? Join Carrie Haynes, Licensed Professional Counselor and Group Therapy expert, as she guides you in learning how to create, promote, and facilitate transformational groups. If you are ready to add groups to your offerings and take your facilitation skills to the next level -this is the podcast for you!
In this episode of The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle, Carrie sits down with Carlos Canales, group therapist and educator, for a grounded conversation about bringing somatic awareness into group work.
Carlos shares how his early life in Peru and immigration to the United States shaped his understanding of belonging, community, and agency. Together, they explore why group can feel more "real" than individual therapy, how the body carries our histories and defenses, and what becomes possible when facilitators invite clients to slow down and listen to their embodied experience, both in in-person and virtual groups.
This episode offers a thoughtful and accessible look at how somatic work can deepen connection, vitality, and coherence in groups.
You'll hear:
- How Carlos' early life and immigration story shaped his understanding of belonging and group life
- Why group therapy can feel more complex—and more alive—than individual work
- What it means to bring somatic awareness into process-oriented groups
- How the body signals safety, openness, defense, and connection in real time
- A simple, powerful example of how slowing down changes what we can receive and integrate
- The challenges and possibilities of doing somatic work in virtual groups
- How attention to the body supports agency, coherence, and deeper relational presence
- Why vitality, rest, and integration matter for therapists and group leaders
For therapists, group facilitators, and anyone curious about the meeting place of body, relationship, and healing, this episode offers a thoughtful and accessible exploration of how somatic work can transform the life of a group.
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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In this episode of The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle, Carrie sits down with Ryan Spencer, LMFT, a Certified Group Psychotherapist whose work bridges modern analytic theory and process-oriented group practice. Together, they explore the subtle relational movements that shape every group: the ways we reach toward connection, pull back for protection, and return when the moment feels right.
Through Ryan's clarity and depth, contact function becomes a lens for understanding not only how groups grow, but how people navigate closeness, vulnerability, and repair.
You'll hear:
- What contact function means in the context of modern analytic and process groups
- How reaching, withdrawing, and returning create the rhythm of group experience
- Why paying attention to these micro-movements deepens safety, insight, and cohesion
- Ways facilitators can track relational cues in real time
- How these patterns reveal the emotional life of the group
- Practical examples of contact function unfolding in live group process
For therapists, circle leaders, and anyone captivated by the alchemy of human connection, this conversation offers a rich and grounded understanding of what makes groups transformational.
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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Carrie Haynes returns from her first fall retreat with reflections on the unseen work that made the experience so beautiful and easeful.
In this episode of The Web: Weaving Psychology and Soul in Circle, Carrie explores the relational preparation that begins long before a retreat — conversations with first-time participants, attunement to returning ones, and quiet listening for what each circle is ready to become.
You'll hear:
- Why most retreat leaders skip pre-screening — and what's lost when they do
- How early connection shapes safety, depth, and group cohesion
- Ways to prepare both new and returning participants
- Options for pre-retreat preparation when 1:1 calls aren't feasible
- Why this process supports the facilitator's own nervous system
- How pre-retreat tending lets the magic of retreat truly unfold
For facilitators wanting to learn Carrie's full pre-retreat process — including her structure, questions, and mentorship on applying it in your own work — visit carriehayneslpc.com/mentorship.
🎧 Listen now and begin preparing your next retreat from the inside out.
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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In this episode of The Web, I’m sharing a very personal journey — how I’ve been practicing essentialism this past year and what it’s teaching me about life, home, and Circle.
By nature, I’m someone with a thousand ideas and endless excitement for new possibilities. I love that about myself, but it can also leave me spread too thin, frantic, and giving myself away. Learning to let go — to do less, but better — has been revolutionary for me, and it continues to be a work in progress.
In this episode, I explore: ✨ What happened when I pared down my business to focus on Circle ✨ How decluttering my home created surprising peace and clarity ✨ The perennial spiritual wisdom that connects simplicity with freedom ✨ Why facilitators often hide in chaos — and what changes when we distill our work ✨ How I learned, through retreat prep, that adding more can dilute the magic ✨ Circle itself as the perfect example of “less, but better” ✨ Simple reflections to help you empty your own bowl
This practice of essentialism isn’t about perfection. It’s about courageously letting go of the clutter so there’s room for what matters most. My hope is that hearing my story encourages you to find your own way of choosing less — and discovering the more that’s waiting there for you.
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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What if the very reasons you think you can’t step away—the lack of time, the money worries, the doubt—are actually the clearest signs that you need to?
In this final episode of The Circle Revealed summer series, I’m opening the door to The Well—my annual retreat and experiential training in Colorado for therapists, healers, and guides who are longing for more soul in their work and more spaciousness in their lives.
Inside this conversation, I share:
- Why Circle is the antidote to depletion, disconnection, and burnout
- How The Well blends restorative retreat with experiential training in Circlework
- Reflections from women who’ve come before—what they discovered, and how it rippled into their work and lives
Whether you’re feeling the therapy room grow too tight, sensing a call to community, or curious about stepping into facilitation yourself, The Well may be your next threshold.
✨ Learn more and apply here: carriehayneslpc.com/thewell
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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In this fourth episode of The Circle Revealed series, I’m pulling back the curtain on the Seven Pillars that form the foundation of every sacred, life-changing Circle I lead.
These principles—rooted in the lineage of my mentor, Jalaja Bonheim—are the invisible architecture that makes Circle a place of safety, depth, and transformation. Whether you’ve been in a Circle before, are considering joining one, or feel called to hold these spaces yourself, the Seven Pillars offer a map for creating gatherings that nourish both heart and soul.
In this episode, I explore: ✨ The larger web of connection that shapes our work together ✨ Spirituality in its most open, inclusive form ✨ The power of the circle shape itself as a symbol of wholeness ✨ The essential role of the feminine in leadership and healing ✨ Why embodiment changes what’s possible in a group ✨ How we learn to be in healthy relationship again ✨ Spaciousness as an antidote to the frantic pace of life
These Pillars aren’t just concepts—they’re living practices that ripple outward into our relationships, communities, and the world. My hope is that they offer you something to lean on in your own healing, leadership, and way of being.
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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In this third episode of The Circle Revealed series, I’m joined by Constance Wilson, Carla Canfield, and Tiffany Lehman—three thoughtful and courageous women whose journeys into Circle began with The Well, my experiential retreat for therapists and healing professionals.
Their initial retreat experience opened the door to unexpected transformation, which deepened through The Nest, my six-month mentorship program that includes a practice retreat for integration and facilitation.
In this conversation, they reflect on: ✨What first drew them to Circle ✨The surprising depth of healing that emerged at The Well ✨Challenges and inner blocks they faced along the way ✨How Circle has shaped their lives, work, and relationships ✨The power of connection and shared growth within the group
Their stories offer a grounded and heartfelt glimpse into what unfolds when women step into spaces that invite presence, vulnerability, and belonging.
Guests:
- Constance Wilson – www.deep-medicine.com
- Carla Canfield – www.carlacanfield.com
- Tiffany Lehman – www.tiffanylehman.com
Learn more: www.carriehayneslpc.comDirection: Carrie Haynes Production: Hayley Lewis
Music: Song: Embrace Composer: Sappheiros
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In this second episode of The Circle Revealed, I sit down with psychotherapist Maggie Robbins, whose life and work have been profoundly shaped by stepping into Circle.
With advanced training in EMDR, Internal Family Systems, and ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, Maggie brings a grounded, relational presence to her work. But it was Circle that opened a deeper doorway—one that continues to shape how she holds space, connects with clients, and lives into her own healing path.
In this episode, Maggie shares: ✨ What first drew her toward Circle—and why she kept coming back ✨ The subtle but powerful ways Circle has deepened her clinical work ✨ How Circle differs from traditional group therapy ✨ Why connection, presence, and shared vulnerability are central to healing ✨ Her reflections on being a therapist who also needed to be held
Whether you’re a clinician exploring group work or someone simply curious about what Circle makes possible, Maggie’s story is an honest, soulful window into the kind of transformation that unfolds when we say yes.
Let’s begin.
Guest: Maggie Robbins Website: www.maggierobbins.net
Direction: Carrie Haynes Production: Hayley Lewis Music: Song: Embrace Composer: Sappheiros License: Creative Commons (BY 3.0) Music powered by BreakingCopyright
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In this first full episode of The Circle Revealed, I share what makes Circle different from therapy—not as a replacement, but as a powerful remembering.
For so many therapists and healing professionals, there comes a point when something begins to feel too tight. The therapy room starts to feel clinical, the pace unsustainable, and the sacred… missing.
That’s where Circle comes in. It’s not a modality—it’s a way of being. A field we co-create.
In this episode, I share:
✨ Why therapy alone sometimes leaves us feeling stretched, isolated, or disconnected ✨ A pivotal turning point in my own journey that led me to discover Circle ✨ The three foundational gifts Circle offers that most therapy spaces forget: — Wholeness as the ground, not the goal — Embodiment as a sacred portal — Spaciousness that heals ✨ A deeper reflection on why Circle speaks to this cultural moment—and why now matters
Whether you’re a therapist feeling the quiet ache for something more… Or simply someone curious about what happens inside a Circle… This episode offers a grounded, soulful invitation to explore.
Let’s begin.
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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In this opening episode, I introduce The Circle Revealed—a special summer series for therapists and healing professionals who are curious about Circlework and what makes it so transformational.
This isn’t just theory—it’s an invitation into a different way of gathering. One that’s grounded, embodied, and relational. One that can shift the way you work, lead, and live.
In this series preview, I share:
✨ Why I created The Circle Revealed ✨ Common questions I hear from therapists about Circle (and why it’s hard to describe) ✨ What this work has opened in my own life and practice ✨ A preview of what’s to come in the full 6-part series—including stories, reflections, and conversations with women who’ve experienced The Well retreat
If you’ve been feeling drawn toward more soul in your work… more sacredness in your spaces… or simply wondering what happens in Circle—this series is for you.
Let’s begin.
Direction: Carrie Haynes Production: Hayley Lewis
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In this heartfelt episode, I explore three of the most common (and often invisible) barriers that keep women facilitators and heart-led leaders stuck. These aren’t mindset issues—they’re survival strategies we’ve inherited from a culture that hasn’t always supported women’s leadership.
Drawing on insights from a recent retreat inside The Nest mentorship program, as well as my
own personal experiences, I’ll walk you through:
✨Why fear of visibility, over-giving, and isolation show up
✨How these patterns are trying to keep you safe
✨Ways to gently begin moving through them, at your own pace
If you’ve been feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or not “ready” to step into your next expression of
work, this episode is here to meet you with compassion, truth, and encouragement.
Your medicine is needed—not someday, but now.
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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In this special episode, Carrie Haynes sits down with her friend and colleague, Dr. Craig Heacock, on his podcast Back from the Abyss for a deep and personal conversation about her journey as a group therapist.
Carrie shares how she first fell in love with group work, the pivotal moments that shaped her approach, and the evolution from traditional therapy groups into the heart-centered, transpersonal circles she now facilitates.
Together, they explore the joys, challenges, and sacred responsibilities of group facilitation, as well as the inner work required to hold transformational space for others.
Whether you're a therapist, facilitator, or someone drawn to the magic of group healing, this episode offers inspiration, insight, and a heartfelt window into the power of community-based transformation.
In this episode, you'll hear about:
✨Carrie’s early roots in group therapy and what drew her to this work
✨The transition from clinical to intuitive, heart-centered facilitation
✨The spiritual and transpersonal elements of group process
✨The art of holding space and the relational dynamics that emerge in groups
Direction: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Back from the Abyss
Music:
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Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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Welcome back to The Web! In this episode, Carrie sits down with her friend and colleague, psychiatrist Dr. Craig Heacock, host of Back from the Abyss, to explore the subtle yet powerful energies of transference and countertransference in therapy—especially in group work and psychedelic-assisted healing.
They’ll discuss: ✨ How transference and countertransference shape group dynamics and therapeutic relationships ✨ The challenge of balancing self-awareness as facilitators while holding space for others ✨ How unresolved emotions and past relationships can resurface in therapy—and what to do about it …and so much more!
🎧 Listen to Carrie and Craig on Back from the Abyss
🔗 Visit Carrie at carriehayneslpc.com
Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
Music:
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Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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Song: Autumn
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Song: Every Little Thing
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Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
The web is a timeless symbol of interconnectedness and coherence. Unique to its creative weaver, each strand and spiral builds upon the last to strengthen the whole, expand it’s reach, and widen it’s range for opportunity.
On The Web podcast, we weave a network of planetary healers by bringing together some of the most inspiring minds dedicated to the collective healing journey. In each episode, we explore different aspects of the art of group and Circle facilitation, share stories, and offer guidance on spinning a web of connection within your groups.
Song: Embrace
Composer: Sappheiros
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This week Carrie is joined by Duey Freeman. Duey is a sought-after teacher, trainer, licensed therapist, and equine professional worldwide. He has taught worldwide and developed a practical attachment theory and human development theory taught to thousands of university students.He has nearly 80,000 direct client hours and co-founded the Gestalt Equine Institute and the Gestalt Institute of the Rockies. He supervises therapists and graduate students and does business and land consultations for new equine therapy sites.
He embodies both tenderness and strength in all his relations and work. His quality of contact and relationship with others is authentic and unique. People come from around the world to study with him. Duey is a true elder and mentor exploring new horizons in facilitating men’s growth work. Gestalt and Relational Horsemanship are not just approaches to Duey; they are how he walks through the world.
Together, they’ll discuss:
- Working therapeutically with men individually and in groups.
- Balancing structure and softness.
- Working with projection and transference.
- The primal and divine
And much more…
You can connect with Duey at https://www.dueyfreeman.org/
Visit Carrie at carriehayneslpc.com
Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
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Vlad Gluschenko — Possible
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Scandinavianz – Wake Up
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This week Carrie is joined by Koelle Simpson. Koelle is a life coach, horse whisperer, spiritual mentor with more than 20 years of experience supporting clients and leading retreats around the globe. She is the founder of an internationally renowned Equus Coaching Movement and supports individuals and organizational clients worldwide, both online and in person, including South Africa, Europe, the UAE, Canada, and the United States. Beginning in early childhood, horses were an important part of Koelle’s journey to overcome trauma and rebuild a sense of trust in herself.
Koelle’s work has been featured in O Magazine, BBC Business Report, the National Journal, the OWN Network and she is a TEDx speaker. She has traveled the globe providing unique nature based retreats that invite participants to discover what’s possible when we feel safe enough to be our whole selves.
Koelle holds a bachelors in psychology from Naropa University. She is trained as an advanced Somatic Experiencing practitioner, a DARe Attachment Theory practitioner, and a Psychedelic Somatic Institute therapist with 14 years of experience supporting psychedelic therapy.
At present, Koelle is completing a memoir that is being developed into a feature film. Beyond the intentions of creating a full feature-length film, this ambitious project is designed to empower youth and adults to transform trauma’s impact into resilience and healing.
Together they’ll discuss:
- Koelle’s personal journey and the role that animals played in her healing.
- A window into working with Koelle
- Working with psychedelic medicine
- The importance of integration in psychedelic work
And much more…
You can connect with Koelle at http://www.koellesimpson.com
Visit carriehayneslpc.com to learn more.
Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Hayley Lewis
In this episode, host Carrie Haynes interviews Shannon Heers, a group practice owner, experienced therapist, clinical supervisor, and the founder of Firelight Supervision. Shannon is also the owner of Catalyst Counseling, a group practice located in Colorado. She is passionate about burnout prevention in the counseling field and has a wealth of experience in facilitating groups.
The Power of Groups: Shannon shares her journey of discovering the transformative power of group therapy. She recalls a time when she facilitated a group of women who felt isolated and overwhelmed. The group provided a space for these women to connect, share their experiences, and find support. This group has been running for over three years, showcasing the lasting impact and need for such therapeutic spaces. "The power of the group was amazing... I've been facilitating that group for over three years now." - Shannon Heers
Catalyst Counseling - A Model Group Practice: Shannon's group practice, Catalyst Counseling, is a testament to the effectiveness of group therapy. The practice has six therapists, many of whom are clinical supervisors. Shannon emphasizes a collaborative approach, mirroring the dynamics of group therapy in her leadership style. She believes in the power of groups not just as a therapeutic tool but also as a business model that can lead to sustainable growth and profitability.
"I think the way that I manage and lead my group practice is very similar to how I like to do group therapy. It's very collaborative." - Shannon Heers
Overcoming Barriers to Group Therapy: One of the challenges in promoting group therapy is the preconceived notion some therapists have about its effectiveness. Shannon discusses the need for proper training and support to help therapists see the "magic" of group work. She emphasizes that once therapists experience the benefits of group therapy firsthand, they often become its strongest advocates.
"Group work is so very, such a very different way that people heal, you know, in coordination with other people, in connection with other people." - Shannon Heers
Tips/Action Steps for Decreasing Therapist Burnout: * Invest in Clinical Support: One of the primary reasons for clinician turnover is burnout, which can be attributed to a lack of clinical support. Ensuring that therapists receive the necessary clinical support can prevent burnout and increase their longevity in the practice. "Burnout for sure is one of the top reasons. Um, not and if you look at burnout, one of the things that contributes to that is not getting the clinical support that people need." - Shannon Heers * Diversify Work Schedule: Diversifying the work schedule and incorporating group therapy sessions can help therapists maintain their energy and passion for their work. It provides an alternative to individual sessions and can be more engaging for some therapists. "How professional development, how diversity in your work schedule, how connection with others through offering groups or collaborative projects, all support your work and also support your energy for this work that can sometimes be lonely and depleting." - Carrie Haynes * Seek Consultation and Continuous Learning: Therapists love to discuss their cases and learn new areas of clinical interest. Providing them with opportunities for consultation and continuous learning can keep them engaged and passionate about their work. "Therapists love to talk about their cases. They love to, um, consult with other people and to continue to learn and to learn new areas of, um, Of clinical interest and to develop those areas of clinical interest." - Shannon Heers * Identify and Address the Needs: Before implementing any new strategy or therapy modality, it's essential to identify the needs within the practice or community. If there's a genuine need for group therapy or any other service, then it's worth investing in it wholeheartedly. "I always like to look at what's the need first. Is there a need within your practice or within the community for groups? And if so, you know, go for it." - Shannon Heers * Separate Roles as Practice Owner and Clinical Supervisor: To avoid conflicts of interest and ensure that the best decisions are made for both the practice and the individual therapists, it's beneficial to separate the roles of a practice owner and a clinical supervisor. "I really separated my role as a practice owner versus my role as a clinical supervisor, because that is one of the dual roles that practice group practice owners come into contact with a lot." - Shannon Heers
Harness the Power of Group Therapy In this enlightening episode, Shannon Heers shares her insights into the transformative power of group therapy, both as a therapeutic tool and a sustainable business model. Through proper training, support, and a collaborative approach, therapists can harness the potential of group therapy to benefit their clients and grow their practices.
Links and Resources * Firelight Supervision * Catalyss Counseling * The Art of Groups - Group Program Information * Group program training starting in November 2023 - Inquiry Form
Podcast Production and Show Notes by Course Creation Studio
Welcome to another insightful episode with Carrie Haynes on the Art of Groups podcast, where we delve deeper into the intricacies of group therapy. In this episode, Carrie generously shares her extensive knowledge and passion for group therapy, highlighting the transformative power it holds in fostering deep connections and promoting healing within communities. Drawing from her rich experience and inspired by the works of the legendary group psychotherapist Irvin Yalom, Carrie unveils three pivotal keys to cultivating a thriving group culture in any practice. Whether you're a seasoned group therapist or contemplating adding this modality to your practice, this episode offers a wealth of knowledge and practical tips that are bound to resonate with you.
Correcting the Myths and Misperceptions The number one reason clients don’t participate in groups is the beliefs of the therapists. “There was a well-controlled study and it was in an article called Getting the Most from Groups in College Counseling Centers. And, they did a study on clients and asked them their Intention to follow up with a group intake, and when clients believed or strongly believed that the intake counselor thought group was the best option, 64 percent planned to follow up. When the clients believe the intake counselor was neutral about the group, 30 percent plan to follow up.” Believing group therapy is a lesser form of therapy group therapy potentially hinders its effectiveness and adoption in practice. Correcting the misunderstandings about this includes addressing common misconceptions about group work and encouraging more therapists to understand and appreciate the unique benefits that group therapy can offer.
Providing Training and Support Carrie stresses the importance of offering training and support to group therapists, noting that a lack of proper guidance can actually diminish a therapist's skills over time. She cites a study by Irvin Yalom, a renowned psychiatrist and writer, to underline the need for adequate training in group therapy; untrained therapists were found to be less skilled at the end of their sessions compared to when they started. Consequently, this could have a negative impact on clients in these groups. Carrie emphasizes the necessity of continuous learning and support to foster a nurturing environment, allowing for therapeutic breakthroughs and beneficial outcomes for clients.
Offering Acknowledgement and Rewards The third key is about acknowledging and rewarding therapists for their efforts in undertaking something new and stepping out of their comfort zones, which typically lean towards individual therapy. Carrie encourages practices to offer acknowledgments, incentives, and benefits to therapists who facilitate group sessions, creating an environment that fosters creativity and reduces burnout. This not only potentially leads to a financial benefit for the therapists but also enhances connection and cohesion amongst staff, fostering a sense of community and collaboration, which in turn, benefits the clients as well. She points out that the rewards don't always have to be monetary; even verbal acknowledgments can make a significant difference.
As we wrap up this empowering episode, it's clear that fostering a thriving group culture goes beyond just facilitating sessions; it's about creating a nurturing, supportive, and enriching environment where both therapists and clients can thrive. Carrie asks us to reflect on the transformative potential of group therapy and encourages us to step out of our comfort zones and explore the rich, connective experiences it can offer. By implementing these keys, practices can stand out by offering comprehensive training, fostering collaboration, and nurturing a culture of acknowledgment and rewards.
Links and resources * The Art of Groups - Group Program Information * Group program training starting in November 2023 - Inquiry Form
Podcast Production and Show Notes by Course Creation Studio
Introduction to the Episode In this episode, Carrie Haynes engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Gibran Rivera about the "We Space" – a concept that highlights the transformational potential of group dynamics and collective consciousness. Gibran, an experienced facilitator, coach, and guide, shares his insights on how group interactions can bring about personal growth, healing, and positive change in the world.
Exploring the We Space Carrie and Gibran dive into the concept of the "We Space," which refers to the unique energy and connection that arises when individuals come together in groups. Gibran emphasizes the importance of the "We Space" in facilitating healing and evolution. He explains, "The group is necessary for the practice." Being part of a supportive community helps individuals overcome past traumas and contribute positively to the world. Gibran's Insight: "I think the group is necessary for the practice. I think it's perfectly fine, not necessary even for you to have space where you are held individually, but they're gonna be attention and care is on you."
Stages of Healing and Personal Growth The conversation shifts to discuss the stages of healing and personal growth within group settings. Carrie and Gibran agree that individual healing is vital before one can contribute positively to others and the planet. Gibran likens the journey to a spectrum, ranging from deep trauma to awakened consciousness. He explains, "At zero, you are totally traumatized. At 100, you are so awake that people wake up in your very presence." The goal, he suggests, is to reach 51%, where self-sovereignty and healing allow us to serve the collective better.
"At zero. You are totally traumatized... What we wanna get to is 51%, meaning enough of the care, enough of the healing."
Balancing Role and Authenticity in Group Facilitation The conversation concludes with a discussion about the role of a facilitator in group dynamics. Gibran shares his experiences and insights about holding space and navigating challenges that may arise, such as when someone's past traumas hijack the group process. He emphasizes the importance of role clarity and authenticity, noting,
"The success of an intervention is directly proportional to the interior condition of the intervener."
Key Takeaways for Listeners: * The Power of Group Energy: The "We Space" holds transformational potential, fostering healing and personal growth within supportive group dynamics. * Healing and Contribution: Individual healing is a stepping stone to contributing positively to the collective and addressing existential challenges. * Balancing Roles: Facilitators play a crucial role in group processes, balancing authenticity and holding space for individuals' growth and healing.
Gibran Rivera's insightful perspectives shed light on how the "We Space" can bring about powerful transformations, enabling individuals to heal, evolve, and create positive change together.
Links and Resources * Learn more about Gibran Rivera on his Web Page * The Better Men Project * Elemental Psychedelics * Psychedelic Ceremony & The Art of Groups - Training Information
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Welcome to the Art of Groups podcast, where you'll learn to create, promote, and facilitate transformational groups. In this episode, host Carrie Haynes, a licensed professional counselor and group facilitator, sits down with Dori Lewis, a licensed professional counselor and licensed mental health counselor, to discuss the power of psychedelics and group work in the healing process.
Dori Lewis's Journey into Group Work Dori Lewis is a licensed professional counselor and licensed mental health counselor with a wealth of experience in facilitating groups. She started her group private practice, Reflective Healing LLC, in Fort Collins about three years ago after realizing the need for more support in her community. Dori shares her background in sex therapy and her work in women's circles, focusing on female sexuality through psycho-spiritual readings and meditations. She is also trained as a shamanic journey practitioner and has extensive experience in ketamine-assisted psychotherapy and other psychedelic modalities. Dori's passion for helping individuals access their unique offerings in the psychedelic space led her to co-found Elemental Psychedelics, where she offers intimate training programs.
The Role of Experience and Self-Reflection in Psychedelic Work When asked about the most important qualities for practitioners in holding space for psychedelic experiences, Dori emphasizes her personal experience and discoveries. Her own extensive experiences with various psychedelics over two decades have become invaluable in supporting others in their journeys. Dori also stresses the importance of ongoing therapy, shadow work, and parts work to cultivate humility and self-awareness. Recognizing and addressing one's own unconscious impulses and seeking consultation when needed is vital for ethical practice. Dori encourages aspiring practitioners to continue their own experiences with psychedelics while receiving mentorship and supervision to enhance their skills.
Contrasting Individual and Group Psychedelic Work Dori differentiates between individual and group psychedelic work, particularly with ketamine. While she organizes ketamine women's circles for therapists who have undergone a screening process, she advises caution when bringing together individuals from the community for group psychedelic experiences. Amplifying group dynamics and the potential for unaddressed trauma to surface make careful screening essential. Dori prefers participants to have prior experience with psychedelics, a history of therapy, and an understanding of their trauma backgrounds to ensure safety. Unraveling trauma in a group setting without proper support can be challenging, requiring individual attention and care.
The Power of Individual and Group Experiences Dori emphasizes the significance of individual work before transitioning to group experiences. She states, "I like to do one-to-one initial experiences for people to work through their personal stuff. At some point, when somebody has a good sense of the medicine and their own consciousness, bringing them into a group space is perfect." The individual work allows individuals to address their personal issues, gain tools, and become comfortable with the medicine. Once they have a strong foundation, group work becomes a supportive and cost-effective option to continue their healing journey.
Individual work provides an opportunity for individuals to focus on their personal challenges and work through heavier, stickier issues. It allows them to develop tools, grounding techniques, and integration skills necessary for their healing journey.
Group work offers a unique sense of community and connection that is often lacking in today's virtual and isolated world. Dori highlights the importance of shared experiences, stating, "People really want to be connected and be in community... and that creates camaraderie." Group settings provide an opportunity for participants to connect, share their journeys, and find support among peers.
The Continuum of Healing and Integration Dori emphasizes that the healing path is a continuous journey rather than a one-time event. She says, "When you start doing psychedelics, you're on the medicine path. It's not a one-time thing." While high-dose psilocybin sessions can be impactful, she believes that continued engagement with the medicine allows for deeper layers of healing and personal growth.
Integration, the process of incorporating insights and experiences from psychedelic journeys into daily life, is a vital aspect of the healing process. Dori explains that integration takes time and requires ongoing support. Group work provides a safe container where participants can share their integration struggles, learn from each other, and receive continued support throughout their journey.
Through group work, lifelong connections can be forged. Dori shares her personal experiences of meeting lifelong friends and spiritual supports through women's circles and ayahuasca ceremonies. These connections provide a space for expansive conversations and a level of understanding that may be difficult to find elsewhere.
Balancing Structure and Process in Group Work Dori discusses the importance of maintaining a balance between structure and process in group work. She acknowledges her own limitations as a group therapist and explains her preference for tight containers to minimize process dynamics that may arise. By implementing clear activities and boundaries, she creates a space that allows for personal sharing while minimizing potential harm.
Having structured activities and guidelines in group work ensures that participants feel safe and supported. Clear boundaries prevent the emergence of complex group dynamics that can be challenging to navigate without specialized training. Dori's focus on structure helps maintain a grounded and secure environment.
Dori emphasizes the importance of recognizing one's limitations and seeking supervision or consultation. Engaging in ongoing training and consultation helps therapists and facilitators develop the necessary skills to hold safe and effective group spaces. It also allows for reflection, growth, and the ability to learn from mistakes.
Honoring Authenticity and Addressing Cultural Appropriation Dori addresses the issue of cultural appropriation in psychedelic work and the importance of authenticity in rituals and ceremonies. She encourages individuals to draw from their own practices and inner guidance, rather than adopting practices from other cultures without understanding their significance. Cultural appropriation, she explains, involves taking practices from marginalized cultures without proper understanding or reciprocity.
Dori emphasizes the importance of personal rituals and ceremonies that are rooted in individual practices and beliefs. These practices should align with one's inner truth and connection to nature, spirit guides, or power animals. By focusing on personal rituals, individuals can avoid appropriating practices that don't resonate with their own cultural heritage.
Dori invites individuals to slow down and explore their own grief and hunger for ritual and ceremony. Rather than rushing to fill this void by appropriating practices from other cultures, she encourages individuals to explore their own cultural roots and traditions. Grief itself can become a part of ritual and ceremony, offering a unique and meaningful healing experience.
A Transformative and Communal Journey Healing through psychedelics and group work offers a transformative and communal journey. The combination of individual and group experiences provides an effective and holistic approach to healing. It allows individuals to work through personal issues, gain tools and insights, and cultivate lifelong connections within a supportive community. By maintaining a balance between structure and process, therapists and facilitators can create safe spaces for participants to heal and grow. Furthermore, honoring authenticity and avoiding cultural appropriation ensure that rituals and ceremonies are meaningful and respectful. Slowing down, recognizing limitations, and seeking supervision or consultation is essential for ethical and effective practice.
Key Takeaways * Experience and self-reflection are crucial: Personal experiences with psychedelics and ongoing therapy provide valuable insights and self-awareness for practitioners. * Engage in ongoing supervision and mentorship: Seek consultation and mentorship from experienced professionals while simultaneously practicing psychedelic work to enhance skills and ensure ethical practice. * Screening and individual support: When facilitating group psychedelic experiences, prioritize a rigorous screening process to ensure participants' safety and well-being, especially concerning trauma histories. * Continued personal growth: Embrace shadow work, parts work, and ongoing therapy to deepen self-awareness and humility as a practitioner. * Stay informed about upcoming training opportunities, such as Elemental Psychedelics' training programs, to deepen your knowledge and practice in the field of psychedelic group work.
Links and Resources * Elemental Psychedelics * Psychedelic Ceremony & The Art of Groups - Training Information
Hey there, welcome back to the Art of Groups podcast! It's your host, Carrie Haynes, and I am so excited to kick off a brand new season with you. If you're new here, get ready to learn all about creating, promoting, and facilitating transformational groups. And if you've been following along, you might have noticed that I've been MIA for a while. Yeah, life got a little crazy, with unexpected twists and turns, but I'm back and charged up with new content to share with you.
So, why do I do this podcast? I saw a real need for therapists like you to have access to helpful and easy-to-digest information about group work. My mission is to empower as many therapists as possible to create those magical, life-changing group experiences for your clients. Let's level up those group skills together!
Now, let's talk about this new season. It's going to be epic, trust me! I've got some incredible guests lined up who are doing extraordinary transformational group work. They'll be sharing their unique perspectives, thoughts, and wisdom on group facilitation. I'll also be serving up some real practical tips and tricks to help you get your own groups up and running.
Want to know how to market your groups and get those eager participants knocking on your door? I've got your back! Need advice on how to attract clients and make your groups a hit? You got it! Throughout the season, I'll be sprinkling in my own reflections and nuggets of wisdom, so keep an ear out for those gems.
I don't want this to be a one-way street. This is a conversation, my friend. If you've got an idea for a show topic or something you're wrestling with or simply curious about, reach out to me! You can shoot me an email at carrie@artofgroups.com. Also, feel free to leave comments on the podcast episodes. Oh, and a little favor, if you enjoy the show, give it a like, subscribe, and shower it with stars and feedback. I would absolutely love that!
Gear up for an awesome Season 2 of the Art of Groups podcast! Thanks for tuning in, and I'll catch you in the next episode. Let's make this journey unforgettable together! 🎉
In today’s podcast, Carrie talks about the essential qualities you need as a group facilitator. Some of the qualities mentioned in this episode:
- Be aware of your intentions
- Be clear on the boundaries of the group
- Respect and reinforce boundaries
- Allow for spontaneity
- Get your energy centered around your heart and body
- Be grounded
- Be self-compassionate
- Trust your intuition
- Cultivate comfort with silence and allow space
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Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Laura Correa
Should your group be open or closed? Should you offer a time-limited group or an ongoing group? If you have been wondering what are the options out there, and what's the best type of group for you, stay tuned. In this episode, Carrie walks us through the different aspects of groups. And explores the pros and cons of each type. On this episode:
- What's an open group, and what are the pros and cons of this type of group?
- What's a close group, and what are the benefits and downfalls of these?
- What are DBT type groups?
- Benefits of time-limited groups vs ongoing, and vice-versa.
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Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Laura Correa
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In today's episode, Carrie talks about how to address clients' fears about group. Tune in to find out what the best tips are to offer groups.
Tips mentioned in this episode:
- Instill hope
- Normalize their anxiety
- Mention groups as an option right away.
- Think about group opportunities in your community. And thinks of ways you could support other therapists in facilitating their offerings.
- Use your clinical judgment on how to bring up group.
- Mention group as an option several times to build rapport
- Join a group to build your experience
- Offer a complimentary group informational meeting to address your clients' concerns and expectations.
And much more…
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Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Laura Correa
Join Carrie in the second episode of The Arts of Groups Podcast. In this episode, Carrie answers a common question. Why do clients choose not to take part in groups? Stay tuned to understand what might be getting in the way of filling your groups. Also, in this episode:
- What's the number one reason clients shy away from groups?
- Three major categories that keep therapists from referring clients to group work
- Debunking the myth that starting and organizing groups is difficult
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Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Laura Correa
Have you been wondering about what to focus on in your practice? Carrie sums up some of the most useful tools and strategies in picking your Niche when it comes to group work. Stay tuned to learn more about how to pick your ideal niche.
Some of the strategies mentioned In this episode:
- Be specific
- Look for common themes among your favorites clients
- Think about a population you like to serve
- Think about your group’s purpose
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Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Laura Correa
Today we are delving deeper into the key factors that make groups effective. In this episode, Carrie talks about the uniqueness of group therapy and the “bible” of group work, The Theory and Practice of Group Psychotherapy by Irvin Yalom.
If you have ever been curious about the magic of groups, this is the episode for you. Also, in this episode:
- Therapeutic factors of group work
- Group experiences examples of how Yalom’s theory impacts clients
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Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Laura Correa
In this episode, Carrie explores the reasons why you should offer groups as part of your services. Today we talk about:
- The effect of connection and interdependence
- The many opportunities groups create to bring issues to the surface
- How groups help us connect with our humanity
- The benefits of serving many people at the same time
- The financial aspect of groups
And much more…
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Direction and Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Laura Correa
In this episode, take a journey with Carrie to learn about her path to falling in love with group work. In this episode, you’ll learn:
- Why groups often feel so hard
- The way most graduate programs fail to set clinicians up for success with groups
- The foundation needed to become an effective facilitator
- The essential qualities that make group facilitators exceptional
- What to expect from this podcast
Visit the Arts of Groups Website to learn more: www.artofgroups.com.
Direction & Original Idea: Carrie Haynes
Production: Laura Correa