Kitchen Table Cult Pod: Recent Episodes
Kitchen Table Cult Pod
Kitchen Table Cult unpacks all the things Kieryn and Eve learned at the kitchen tables of their childhoods in conservative Christian homeschooling families. Every week we take your questions and drill down on various topics about Quiverfull, the Religious Right, and our childhoods in high-demand groups (otherwise known as cults).
We’re not surprised about the rise of Trump, Christian fascism, or evangelical white women voting for someone like Mike Pence, and we want to take you back through the beginning of it all to explain why.
Eve and Kieryn are back for a quick update!In the last year Trump was re-elected, Project 2025 started becoming law of the land, Eve made quilts, Kieryn briefly appeared in Shiny Happy People season 2 (we get into it), and is ~a semester and finishing their Gofundme away from getting their Associates degree in Social Sciences!Show notes:GoFundMe - https://gofundme.com/makekierynsmarterConvention of States on Shiny Happy People - https://conventionofstates.com/news/mark-meckler-amazon-prime-show-attacks-cosPrism Article - https://prismreports.org/2024/05/20/christian-nationalist-playbook-usurp-democracy/Shiny Happy People is streaming on amazon prime!
Kieryn and Eve discuss the German family who sought (and were temporarily-ish granted!) asylum in the US to be allowed to homeschool their kids because Germany takes the rights and education of Children seriously.Show notes:https://tinyurl.com/romeikenotes This episode was produced by the lovely Mary Steffenhagen!
Kieryn and Eve explain the updated policy agenda of the Christian right. We talk about the various tools Christian nationalists plan on using to usurp democracy regardless of who wins the presidential election this year. We dive into Project 2025, the little known and even less talked about Convention of States, and the bureaucratic mechanism at the crux of it all. Notes:Read Kieryn's reporting for prism - https://prismreports.org/2024/05/20/christian-nationalist-playbook-usurp-democracy/This episode was originally made as a test episode for a major media company, our producer was Mary Steffenhagen!
Errin Haines of The 19th* News joins Kieryn and Eve to talk about the future of journalism, being a progressive Christian while covering the news, and the liberatory nature of Black Christianity in the US.Notes:https://19thnews.org/https://19thnews.org/topics/podcast/https://x.com/errinhaineshttps://www.instagram.com/emarvelous
Kieryn and Eve talk with Carly Butler about her memoir, Apocalypse Child, what identity abuse looks like for homeschooled kids, and how it feels to reparent yourself while parenting children. Pre-order the book: https://bookshop.org/p/books/apocalypse-child-carly-butler/20702732?ean=9781773861326Follow Carly: @carlymbutton everywhere
Kieryn and Eve chat with Michelle Dowd about her fascinating memoir, Forager. What it was like growing up in the family of a cult leader and how wild it is to get out into the real world after growing up in the woods. Check out Michelle's work and get the book!https://bookshop.org/p/books/forager-field-notes-on-survival-a-memoir-michelle-dowd/18759728 https://www.michelledowd.org/ https://www.instagram.com/michelledowdz/ https://mdowd.substack.com/https://mdowd.substack.com/subscribe?utm_campaign=email-subscribe&next=https%3A%2F%2Fmdowd.substack.com%2Fp%2Fcontinue-foraging-for-what-you-need
Kieryn & Eve are joined by the organizers of Read Freely Alabama to discuss the attempt to censor LGBTQ materials in the Augauta-Prattville library and their efforts to protect the library as a community resource for everyone.
What do censorship, homeschooling, intellectual freedom, and libraries have in common? We get into it today with Eddie Kristan about the fight libraries are seeing with parental-rights extremist groups trying to censor books and the impact that has on children's rights to access information. Show Notes:Institutions on the job: Freedom to Read Foundation (IF arm of the ALA): https://www.ftrf.org/ Emily Knox - Freedom to Read Foundation - knox@illinois.eduPEN American has been on the job: https://pen.org/report/book-bans-pressure-to-censor/ DPLA - the banned book club: https://www.dplabannedbookclub.com/ Queer Liberation Library https://www.queerliberationlibrary.org/ Brooklyn Public Library's Books Unbanned: https://www.bklynlibrary.org/books-unbanned Chicago Public Library Book Sanctuaries: https://www.chipublib.org/news/book-sanctuaries-committed-to-protecting-banned-and-challenge-books/ CPL Book Sanctuary Project: https://www.booksanctuary.org/ Past ALA cases:United States, et al. v. American Library Association, Inc. et al., 539 U.S. 194, 123 S.Ct. 2297, 156 L.Ed.2d 221 (2003)Tattered Cover, Inc. v. City of Thornton, 44 P.3d 1044 (Colo. Sup. Ct., 2002)Sund v. City of Wichita Falls, Texas, 121 F. Supp. 2d 530 (N.D. Texas, 2000) the “300 signatories” case. Case v. Unified School District No. 233, 908 F. Supp. 864 (D. Kan. 1995) The “Annie on my mind” case.Active cases to follow: Pen America v. Escanaba School District 23-cv-10385 Filed May 17, 2023Fayetteville Public Library v Crawford County et al. -23-CV-05086 Book People Inc et al. v. Wong 23-cv-00858 - Filed July 25, 2023 Leila Green Little, et al. v. Llano County, Llano County Texas Library Most concerning bills:Idaho HB 666Indiana SB 17Iowa HB 2176Oklahoma SB 1142South Dakota House Bill 1337:Tennessee House Bill 1944Tennessee House Bill 800Follow: emilyknox.net@fobettarhEddieKristanEddie the Giant Librarian
Eve and Kieryn chat with Cait West about her memoir, Rift, and what it's like to leave fundamentalist Christianity only to discover that the patriarchy is alive and well in the secular world and childhood pastors became politically active Christian Nationalists.Find Cait and buy the book!!https://bookshop.org/p/books/rift-a-memoir-of-breaking-away-from-christian-patriarchy-cait-west/20298441https://www.caitwest.com/https://www.instagram.com/caitwestwrites/https://twitter.com/caitwestwriteshttps://caitwest.substack.com/
What is the future of the pro-life movement without simplistic messaging focused on Roe v. Wade to galvanize conservatives? The nuances of reproductive health science and privacy laws are up for debate, and the unity that the pro-life movement once relied on is fissuring under the pressure to rally support around the details. Banning IVF in Alabama was a deeply unpopular move by the courts, and this week SCOTUS is hearing oral arguments about a case centered on the 23-year-old status of FDA approval for mifepristone. Leading those arguments? Erin Morrow Hawley, ADF senior counsel and the wife of MO Senator, Josh Hawley.Show Noteshttps://rewirenewsgroup.com/2023/11/16/why-this-teen-birth-control-case-could-kill-access-for-everyone/https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/12/13/23505459/supreme-court-birth-control-contraception-constitution-matthew-kacsmaryk-deanda-becerrahttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/10/texas-abortion-law-jonathan-f-mitchell-profilehttps://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/ivf-morally-right/ https://www.lagniappemobile.com/news/ivf-clinic-attorney-argued-embryo-is-a-life/article_4f670e5e-d292-11ee-88e0-6b5e622733c3.html https://embryoadoptionusa.com/frequently-asked-questions/#:~:text=Parents%20who%20adopt%20embryos%20are,have%20relinquished%20all%20parental%20rights. https://web.archive.org/web/20130901171332/http://demossnews.com/manhattandeclaration/press_kit/manhattan_declaration_signers Science:https://twitter.com/ncrawfordmd/status/1759769551925846303 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-94-011-6621-8_18 https://ivf-worldwide.com/ivf-history.html
This week in the Book Club, Kieryn and Eve chat with Sarah McCammon about her upcoming book (March 19) the Exvangelicals! We talk about gatekeeping knowledge, rampant anti-intellectualism, and how changing your religious beliefs change your relationships. You can take the church kid out of the church but you can't completely take the church out of the kid. Follow Sarah:https://substack.com/@sarahmccammonhttps://www.instagram.com/sarahmccammon_journalist/Buy the book!https://static.macmillan.com/static/smp/the-exvangelicals/
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Anna Gazmarian to discuss her debut memoir, Devout, which comes out on March 12, 2024. Growing up evangelical means growing up with shame much of the time. Add to that depression, anxiety, religious OCD, and bipolar, and you're in for a massive struggle of faith and self-worth.With Devout, Anna unpacks what worked and didn't work for her in her struggle to keep her faith in tact and get adequate treatment for the way her brain works. We discuss tolerating joy, therapy, ketamine treatments, and purity culture, as well as what supporting someone you love with mental health struggles can entail.Pre-order Devout! https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Devout/Anna-Gazmarian/9781668004036
Eve and Kieryn discoverd the Stay At Home Girlfriend/Wife /Tradwife tiktoks and note their remarkable similarity to the Above Rubies and quiverfull mommy/daughter blogs from the 00s, but with a dash of late-stage capitalism dread as a twist. What's the motivation behind people outside of religion wanting to choose this? Listen to find out!Notes:https://www.aboverubies.org/images/stories/magazines/ARMagazine69.pdfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_feminismhttps://politicalresearch.org/2021/07/29/why-are-gen-z-girls-attracted-tradwife-lifestylehttps://www.thecut.com/2023/09/tradwife-content-influencers-conservative-ideology.htmlhttps://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/fringe-left-alt-right-share-beliefs-white-power-movement/672454/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steinerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_education
Kieryn and Eve try to overview everything we know so far about Mike Johnson, explain the general concept of Covenant Marriage, and discuss his wife's humurous counseling practice.Instead of posting 4 pages of notes, here's one link:https://tinyurl.com/mikejohnsonktc
Kieryn and Eve talk about Jill Duggar Dillard's book, Counting The Cost. How and why it felt different from Jinger's Becoming Free Indeed, and how difficult it is to escape high control environments when the stakes are so high. Also, for more info on Christian Zionism:https://kitchentablecult.com/2021/06/09/s3-e8-christian-zionism-with-amy-fallas-and-garrison-davis/https://kitchentablecult.com/2021/07/22/s3-e11-christian-zionism-part-2-with-aidan-orly-and-marisa-siegel/Get the book:https://bookshop.org/p/books/counting-the-cost-jill-duggar/20124574
Welcome to book club, where Shannon Bonne, formerly known as Shannon Harris, joins Kieryn and Eve to talk about the writing process for her book, The Woman They Wanted. Shannon talks about embodiment, freedom, and following the joy after spiritual abuse.Links:https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-woman-they-wanted-shattering-the-illusion-of-the-good-christian-wife-shannon-harris/19561719?ean=9781506483160https://www.shannonbonne.com/https://open.spotify.com/artist/1mJjeRIIxjVT1FAcwlBLUk?si=7J7H4XuHR-GOjBFVhLHcaA&nd=1https://www.instagram.com/shannon.bonne/
Eve and Kieryn chat about the right-wing extremist pivot to taking down all public education institutions. We've talked in prior episodes about radical right-wing groups taking over K-12 education, and today we explain dog whistles of "clasical liberal" education and how even well-meaning leftists are furthering the agenda to dismantle public universities and libraries.Noteshttps://time.com/6309612/christopher-rufo-public-universities-deceptive-essay/https://www.city-journal.org/article/new-college-of-florida-abolishes-gender-studies https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/05/15/desantis-defunds-diversity-programs-florida-universities-gen-z/70220061007/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism https://truthout.org/articles/will-wvus-draconian-cuts-become-a-blueprint-for-austerity-across-higher-ed/ https://www.axios.com/2023/08/30/west-virginia-university-foreign-language-classes https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/08/west-virginia-university-cuts-programs.html https://www.thenation.com/article/society/wvu-cuts-higher-education/
Kieryn and Eve sit down with Sarah Stankorb to talk about her book, Disobedient Women: How a Small Group of Faithful Women Exposed Abuse, Brought Down Powerful Pastors, and Ignited an Evangelical Reckoning. Covering the origins of the #ChurchToo movement (featuring some friends of the pod!) and how to approach telling stories involving religious trauma in a way that is healing.notesBuy The book (or a VPN sub then the book if you're in DE)https://bookshop.org/p/books/disobedient-women-how-a-small-group-of-faithful-women-exposed-abuse-brought-down-powerful-pastors-and-ignited-an-evangelical-reckoning-sarah-stankorb/19462415Sarah's Website:http://sarahstankorb.com/
Eve and Kieryn are joined by Aaron and Christina Beall to talk about their experience leaving the christian fundamentalist homeschooling movement and shining a public light on abuse. Read the WaPo article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/2023/christian-home-schoolers-revolt/Follow Aaron & Christina:https://www.instagram.com/apostate_aaron/https://www.instagram.com/christinabeally/
Kieyn and Eve chat with Shiny Happy People producer Cori Shepherd Stern about how the documentary was made and why it's important to tell stories this way. Follow Cori:https://www.instagram.com/girlseeksworld/https://www.instagram.com/storyforceco/https://twitter.com/girlseeksworld
Kieryn and Eve are IN PERSON and talking about Shiny Happy People and the evolution of sharing their stories as they heal through trauma. Contribute to the CRHE fundraiser:responsiblehomeschooling.org/donate Tell Amazon you want a season two of Shiny Happy People!
Eve and Kieryn discuss Jinger's book Free Indeed, on disentangling (not deconstructing) christianity from the teachings of Bill Gothard, and share a bit about their paths out too.Show Notes:https://people.com/tv/duggar-family-prime-video-docuseries-shiny-happy-people-trailer-exclusive/ https://mxdarkwater.com/2016/01/03/preparing-a-visionary-daughter-to-do-hard-things-written-in-2010/TikToks:https://www.tiktok.com/@bluepupboi/video/7221509868841340206https://www.tiktok.com/@bluepupboi/video/7221515553507249451https://www.tiktok.com/@eve_ettinger/video/7221515317233618222
Kieryn and Eve are joined by friends of the pod Carmen Longoria-Green and Sarah Jones to talk about the bit picture and the meaningful ways we can fight Parental Rights Extremism every day.Show Notes:https://www.foxnews.com/video/6324958910112 https://twitter.com/responsiblehs https://instagram.com/responsiblehomeschooling https://facebook.com/responsiblehomeschooling https://dayofthehomeschooledchild.org https://twitter.com/onesarahjonessarah.jones(@)voxmedia(.)com
In the third part of the deep dive into Parental Rights Extremism, Kieryn and Eve connect the organizational and funding dots between the orgs working on limiting children's education today to the organizations that started it all in the 1970s.Show Notes:https://dayofthehomeschooledchild.orghttps://www.motherjones.com/politics/1995/11/religious-right-6os-and-7os/ https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1981/05/18/a-disciplined-charging-armyhttps://california.parentsrightsineducation.com/#menu2https://www.bloomberg.com/bedrock-usahttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-18/what-bridget-ziegler-s-agenda-means-for-lgbtq-youth
Hold on to your hats, Kieryn and Eve do a Deep Dive into the legal history of parental rights and what lays the groundwork for how children's rights are treated (or extremely not, as the case may be) in the US.Notes:https://web.archive.org/web/20150908152647/http://www.hslda.org/parentalrights/ https://parentalrightsfoundation.org/legal/parental_rights_tradition/ https://cite.case.law/wis/35/59/ https://casetext.com/case/people-ex-rel-sinclair-v-sinclair https://casetext.com/case/school-dist-no-18-garvin-co-v-thompson-et-al https://cite.case.law/us/262/390/ https://cite.case.law/us/268/510/ https://casetext.com/case/wisconsin-v-yoder https://cite.case.law/us/530/57/#p66 https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1966/strict-scrutiny https://parentalrightsfoundation.org/victory-for-parents-at-the-texas-supreme-court/ http://www.narf.org/nill/documents/icwa/index.html http://www.narf.org/nill/documents/icwa/ch1.html https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/2/20/21131387/indian-child-welfare-act-court-case-foster-care https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haaland_v._Brackeen https://prismreports.org/2022/03/22/in-multiple-states-rapists-can-sue-their-victims-for-parental-custody/CRHE Bonfire:https://www.bonfire.com/children-have-rights-1/https://www.bonfire.com/children-have-rights160-1/
The first in a multi-part series we've been teasing about all season. We talk about Parental Rights Extremism and how to effectively combat the rhetoric that is banning books from schools and trans children from being able to be themselves without ceding ground to the extremists. Children have rights, parents have responsibilities. Show Noteshttps://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/03/anti-trans-transgender-health-care-ban-legislation-bill-minors-children-lgbtq/ https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/04/children-are-not-property.html https://newrepublic.com/article/165403/groups-pushing-anti-trans-laws-want-divide-lgbtq-movement https://www.salon.com/2022/01/12/parental-rights-started-on-the-christian-fringe--now-its-the-gops-winning-issue/ Immoral Minorityhttps://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/03/12/Immoral-Minority-warns-schools-on-sex-ed-disclosures/6860353221200/
Sometimes episodes write themselves and we have The Gospel Coalition to thank for this gem. If you're part of our Slack community you know what's coming, what you don't know is that now we have tshirts (and mugs).Swag:https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/40377534-jesus-is-an-eggplant?store_id=862793 Further Reading:https://waterbrookmultnomah.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Beautiful-Union-Preview.pdfhttps://web.archive.org/web/20230301170931/https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/sex-wont-save-you/
Eve and Kieryn chat with friend of the pod Anna Olson about the missionary and linguistic work of Wycliff --- one of the biggest bible translation/missionary organizations --- what they do, their influence on evangelism, and lack of transparency. Anna's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/charis_channah/ Show Notes:https://trinityfi.org/investigations/just-how-broken-is-the-bible-translation-industry/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kaipetainen/2013/03/06/the-big-business-of-wycliffe-bible-translation-and-why-they-might-lose-money/Book about how being a bible translator lead to leaving the faith - https://bookshop.org/p/books/don-t-sleep-there-are-snakes-life-and-language-in-the-amazonian-jungle-daniel-l-everett/17860922?ean=9780307386120
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Jack Holloway from The Heavens AKA, our intro/outro music, to talk about their book, Hands of Doom -- covering the religious connections in the lyrics of Black Sabbath songs. This is your reprieve before we dive into some heavy stuff, please enjoy!Playlist from the book:Apple music: https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/hands-of-doom/pl.u-r2yBBDBF9dV7jXSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5P85tCA5rPwVOJpkZCK35C?si=mi8NwBcGQp6r-noWNWFsPwYoutube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCVK0CfzR_lFd9n5UM49DE1BK3SeSBvYhFind Jack:https://www.morbidxinstinct.com/about-jackhttps://www.morbidxinstinct.com/hands-of-doomhttps://www.instagram.com/jack.amos.holloway/https://theheavensmusic.bandcamp.com/
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Annika Brockschmidt, author of Amerika's Gottskrieger and German reporter on the rise of Christofascism in the US to talk about where all these coups are coming from! We cover the recent attempted coup in Germany, how J6 is perceived outside the US, and the connections between far right extremists organizing coups across the planet. Grid Storyhttps://www.grid.news/story/politics/2023/01/06/the-democrats-the-republicans-and-the-freedom-caucus-inside-the-rights-plans-to-seize-power-in-the-new-congress/ Follow Annika:https://annikabrockschmidt.substack.com/ https://www.kreuzundflaggepodcast.com/ https://www.rowohlt.de/buch/annika-brockschmidt-amerikas-gotteskrieger-9783499006487
Eve and Kieryn chat with Eleanor Skelton and Rian about the impact of the Club Q shooting on Colorado Springs and the history and culture of Colorado Springs that gets missed in the mainstream coverage.Follow Eleanor & Rian:https://eleanorwritesthings.com/ https://www.tiktok.com/@eleanorwritesthings https://www.tiktok.com/@rian_myles Support for ClubQ victims: https://linktr.ee/atrevidabeerco12/6 Announcement on ClubQ/ News After Recording: https://twitter.com/cspdpio/status/1598788290466828288?s=46&t=KYNfuCCJW-Fjr66hWweGRQ https://www.kktv.com/2022/12/07/former-da-aurora-theater-shooting-case-discusses-club-q-shooting/https://www.kktv.com/2022/12/07/arrest-papers-club-q-mass-shooting-suspect-colorado-springs-released-community-keeps-focus-victims/https://www.kktv.com/2022/12/08/judge-unseals-allleged-club-q-shooters-2021-arrest-papersRelated news articles + blogs: https://www.csindy.com/news/we-ve-come-a-long-way-from-hate-city-but-club-q-shooting-lays-bare/article_80b9c164-6f5a-11ed-aa60-33ca166b0afa.html https://www.denverpost.com/2022/11/28/club-q-shooting-suspect-mother-arrest/ https://apple.news/AsH4N5VX8SdG66J6T9IjS8g https://apple.news/AgtaDhutBSw2GGwPDPPaiHA https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/12/01/minneapolis-man-threatened-people-with-a-gun-used-an-antigay-slur-in-19-bar-prosecutors-say https://www.instagram.com/p/ClOuSyqLsBv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClPcI6LJYoh/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid08ivwv26UxDyqnr424fNNfMzaKQCDHzV7LJdUH9K3qd2v7L4FAEFQvUQXLnoNBDqPl&id=100064300074894&mibextid=qC1gEa https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/when-homeschoolers-turn-violent-matthew-murray/ https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/the-unwinding-cable-car-or-the-day-my-sisters-died-part-1/ https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/alexithymia-the-day-my-sisters-died-part-2/ https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/the-patron-saint-of-lost-causes-the-day-my-sisters-died-part-3/ https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2016/03/03/for-matthew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate http://web.archive.org/web/20070307090843rn_1/www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist-20061103288348488.html https://gazette.com/premium/powerhouse-preacher-ted-haggard-faces-new-allegations-of-illicit-behavior/article_e7637edc-0aab-11ed-ac8c-c31007228c88.html
Kieryn and Eve watched the God Forbid documentary and Have Thoughts(tm) after talking about what it feels like to watch twitter become...what it has.
Eve and Kieryn are back and talking with Weston Brown about parents who homeschool forcing their views on the public school system. Weston's mom is trying to ban books from Public Schools in TX, we talk about how isolating your children to get specific outcomes doesn't work.Follow Weston on twitter while you still can - https://twitter.com/wstnbrwn
It's the last episode of Season 4! Kieryn and Eve discuss the book "I'm Glad My Mom Died" and how it feels to realize you were abused by people you love. CW: Child Abuse & Eating Disorders
Buy the Book: https://bookshop.org/books/i-m-glad-my-mom-died-9781797147963/9781982185824
Kieryn and Eve sit down with Detra Denise from Humans of New York and talk about what it was like to leave fundamentalism as a mother and make it in NY.
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https://www.instagram.com/Onewomannyc1/ https://www.facebook.com/detra.denise.520 https://account.venmo.com/u/Detra-Thomas https://cash.app/$Detra
Kieryn and Eve chat with Darcy about how to Protect Trans Kids and fight against Parental Rights Extremism in your school district.
Show Notes: Darcy on twitter: https://twitter.com/Dragonfly_Darcy https://www.genderinclusiveschools.org/
AKA Ginni Thomas Part 3: Jan 6th. After taking some time off to process Roe being overturned, Kieryn and Eve dive back in to Ginni Thomas' role in the Jan 6th attempted coup and how tolerating unethical behavior lead to this moment.
Show Notes:
- https://puck.news/whos-afraid-of-ginni-thomas/
- https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/untold-story-ginni-thomass-anti-cult-activism-was-deprogrammed-rcna22131
- https://freebeacon.com/courts/exclusive-ginni-thomas-sets-the-record-straight-on-january-6/
- https://deadline.com/2022/06/ginni-thomas-january-sixth-committee-interview-1235048088/
- https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/ginni-thomas-lawyer-wants-better-justification-giving-testimony-jan-6-rcna35901
- https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ginni-thomas-clarence-wife-mark-meadows-texts-2020-election-overturn/
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/24/virginia-thomas-mark-meadows-texts/
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/15/ginni-thomas-john-eastman-emails/
- https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/groundswell-rightwing-group-ginni-thomas/
- https://www.americanoversight.org/ginni-thomas-republican-connections-raise-ethics-concerns-for-scotus
- https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6540403-HHS-Records-- Regarding-Anti-Abortion-Influence-on#document/p633
- https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/06/chuck-grassley-last-act
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/06/10/ginni-thomas-election-arizona-lawmakers/
Kieryn and Eve chat with Leah Sottile about her new book When The Moon Turns To Blood about Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell's religiously motivated violence and the threads of their theology that we see at play in congress today.
R.E. Fulton (@rebfulton) joins KTC to talk about the history of abortion and dispel some myths, and tell us about the one who got away with actual murder.
Kieryn and Eve chat with Prof. Cedric Lewis about Grove City College's Critical Race Theory "investigation". Listen to find out what's actually happening on campus and what you can do to support the students, staff, and faculty who are being impacted.
Show Notes: Overheard post and chapel sermon https://www.facebook.com/groups/OverheardAtGCC/posts/10159923202569168/ Thread from Jennifer Trujillo Hollenberger https://twitter.com/Jennife23750394/status/1519667075496783875?t=_Pa0i_MKrG37ilErt4TEfg&s=19&fbclid=IwAR057FRPCO7sDPqytT4vaFb_m-I6vTPMIuuE1P5QRacNXDsCJRNtSYIwig8
Trustees report
https://gcc.edu/Home/Our-Story/Leadership-Teams/Office-of-the-President/A-Response-to-the-CRT-Petition/fbclid/IwAR1qA03Q3pOkWXIbYZe08PJDx_Oiv6L-URdC3IaJ4knhF7a5PHurAcQkNM8
Trustees note https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10159663989700900&id=253148435899
Jemar Tisby chapel sermon https://livestream.com/accounts/13431056/events/9256713/videos/212325702
Petitions
https://www.petitions.net/gcc_alumni_in_support_of_dr_jemar_tisby?fbclid=IwAR0u2DIVKHRyts3AScllGaP-rXgdKW5dvbie0V7Cb2AolgyezfsCmOMP-us
https://www.petitions.net/preserve_the_educational_mission_of_gcc?s=94440515&fbclid=IwAR1N1TBpum4IJtReH3uLuoF26DKetpGJpRF_NY39XwFQbmXJ_UlPE2FkMCY
News
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/april/grove-city-college-critical-race-theory-crt-jemar-tisby-rep.html
https://americanreformer.org/2021/11/wide-awoke-at-grove-city-college/
https://julieroys.com/grove-city-college-caught-crossfire-evangelical-crt-battles/
https://onlysky.media/rebekahkohlhepp/grove-city-colleges-anti-woke-report-contradicts-its-stated-christian-values/
https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/6gduJgJ7S5w0EjGSXSb6YD
Turns out, Lifespring was not the only cult Ginni Thomas has been a part of. Ginni's mom was an active part of Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum, and never left that cult. Instead, she grew up to enact its agenda with Clarence's support as an "Equally Yoked" partner. WTF does that all mean? find out.
Notes:
NYT Expose: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/magazine/clarence-thomas-ginni-thomas.html Politico on Ginni/Clarence/Eastman: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/26/ginni-thomas-west-wing-trump-john-eastman-00020675 CRHE ED Position: https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/about/employment/
In this first part of a multi-episode series on Ginni Thomas, Kieryn and Eve talk about what draws people into cults, why it isn't weird that Ginni Thomas was in one, and compare and contrast the Lifespring cult to experiences in the church.
Notes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Potential_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Seminars_Training https://www.gq.com/story/one-month-in-los-angeles-cult-of-betterness https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/magazine/1987/10/25/i-cried-enough-to-fill-a-glass/c75b0dda-e8ea-46f9-8aea-8e4afdd0cfbe/
Just when we thought were done with Matt Shea he goes off to Ukraine to """""rescue""""" some "orphans". We have words about it.
Show notes:
Opening Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xX3IfQEH_
https://www.rangemedia.co/matt-shea-poland-ukraine-lublin-orphan/
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/former-wa-rep-matt-shea-accused-of-domestic-terrorism-working-to-secure-adoptions-for-ukrainian-children-in-poland/
https://againstthetide.tv/2022/03/04/62-ukrainian-orphans-evacuated-and-saved-in-successful-amEerican-ukrainian-polish-action/
https://www.stitcher.com/show/behind-the-bastards/episode/part-one-how-the-john-birch-society-invented-the-modern-far-right-80165219
https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/RXvbgW
In this short and more low-key episode Kieryn and Eve catch up on the move to Berlin and compare notes about what it's like to experience culture shock in multiple ways from being homeschooled to moving to other countries. If you want to support Kieryn through this transition you can do so on patreon: patreon.com/kiery or paypal: paypal.me/mxdarkwater (USD) or paypal.me/kfdberlin (EUR) You can watch Kieryn's vlogs (and subscribe to their channel) on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUtIwZzAW_rhL8WeTnZjJ40quRLCZarkL) Hit them up on twitter or the KTC slack if you live in/around Berlin and want to get a coffee or something.
Also, if you want to get some cool KTC merch like coffee cups or magnets, we have a TeePublic store that's running a bunch of sales this month so check it out! You can have stylish coffee too.
The new movie adaption of "Redeeming Love" by Francine Rivers is now in theaters, much to our chagrin. Eve and Kieryn discuss the story of Hosea, the "redemption" story of "Redeeming Love," and why this novel is a textbook abusive relationship story.
The homeschooling movement has always been more diverse than it seems! Eve and Kieryn chatted with Dr. Lindsey Maxwell about the invisible history of homeschooling as told through magazines and newsletters in the 80s and 90s. Learn some things you didn't know about the larger homeschooling movement and hypothesize about why women often buy into and enforce the Patriarchy.
Follow Dr. Maxwell: https://twitter.com/LindseyBMaxwell http://lindseymaxwell.com/
Kieryn and Eve chat with Jeff Chu about finishing the book Wholehearted Faith that he & the late Rachel Held Evans co-authored. Listen to discuss what it's like to write through grief, learn about farmer's markets in Michigan, and wtf a Farminary is.
Follow Jeff: https://byjeffchu.com/ https://twitter.com/jeffchu https://www.instagram.com/byjeffchu/ https://jeffchu.substack.com
Eve and Kieryn talk about the impacts of the SCOTUS hearing and what it could mean for Roe v. Wade and other personal rights in the future.
Show Notes Prior episodes on the topic: https://twitter.com/kitchencultpod/status/1466477773439053826
Summaries https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/12/majority-of-court-appears-poised-to-uphold-mississippis-ban-on-most-abortions-after-15-weeks/ https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortion-at-scotus-dobbs-v-jackson-womens-health/
Donate https://abortionfunds.org/ https://www.prochoiceamerica.org/
ACB on Adoption https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/opinion/adoption-supreme-court-amy-coney-barrett.html
Maternity Farms https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/16/evangelical-women-texas-abortion/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_Laundries_in_Ireland https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-how-the-catholic-church-84227953/
Cawthorn's Comments https://twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1466742983248814080?t=LuaI7vDszx6qnGcrifiz7g&s=19
Kieryn and Eve chat with Stephanie Drury about Christianity Today's podcast about Mars Hill and the importance of giving people room to grow.
Notes: Twitter: https://twitter.com/StuffCCLikes Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stuffchristianculturelikes/
This month, Tal Lavin's (author of Culture Warlords: my journey into the dark web of white supremacy) new Substack is allowing Tal to do a three-part series on the ouvre of fundamentalist parenting books which advocate for hitting kids. Tal joins KTC for a discussion of what that research experience was like, why it's so hard to get people to listen to you when you say "don't hit your kids," and how absolutely batshit these parenting books actually are. CW: Child Abuse
show notes Tal's Substack - https://theswordandthesandwich.substack.com/ Talia on Twitter - https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev BUY THE BOOK - https://bookshop.org/books/culture-warlords-my-journey-into-the-dark-web-of-white-supremacy-9780306846458/9780306846434
Nick Kristof is running for governor of Oregon and hopefully abandoning his crusade to save sex trafficking victims that don't exist, actually. Journalist Melissa Gira Grant joins KTC to discuss the religious right's war on porn, sex trafficking, and sex ed.
Kieryn and Eve chat with Sheryl Ring about being homeschooled and neglected or abused by parent-educators. As with most episodes on the subject all major CWs for child abuse apply <3
Check out CRHE's Homeschooled Children Bill of Rights - https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/bill-of-rights/
Follow Sheryl: https://twitter.com/Ring_Sheryl sherylringlaw.com
Kieryn and Eve chat with Meg Conley of Homeculture to discuss the missing pieces of the Lularich documentary, the intricacies of Mormonism, and why MLMs are so popular.
Show Notes: https://annehelen.substack.com/p/what-got-left-out-of-lularich https://twitter.com/_megconley https://www.megconley.com/
Kieryn and Eve chat with the author of The Great Sex Rescue, Sheila Wray Gregoire to discuss leaving behind the toxicity of purity culture while still practicing Christianity, and why she's in a fight with Focus on the Family.
Show Notes: https://sheilawraygregoire.com/ Bare Marriage Podcast https://tolovehonorandvacuum.com http://fuckingtranswomen.org/
Eve and Kieryn are joined by Teresa to talk about Awanas, the Olympics, and the isolation of homeschooled athletes.
Find Teresa on instagram - https://www.instagram.com/polkadotishly/
Kieryn and Eve chat with Behind Blue Curtains co-author Molly Maeve Eagan about the book and how high control religious groups groom children for abuse and keep them quiet about it with shame once they become adults. CN: talking about Child Sexual Assault
Show Notes:
Twitter: @LizzHershberger Twitter: @CPTSDRecovery Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LizzyHershbergerAuthor Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BehindBlueCurtainsbook Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FindingMaeve/ Instagram: @lizzie.hershberger Instagram: @maeve.molly
Following up on our conversation with Amy Fallas and Garrison Davis (https://soundcloud.com/kitchentablecult/s3-e8-zionism-with-amy-fallas-and-garrison-davis) about Palestine and Zionism, Kieryn and Eve take a closer look at the complex legacy of Zionism with Aidan Orly of PRA http://www.politicalresearch.org/bio/aidan-orly // https://twitter.com/aidanorly and Marisa Siegel of The Rumpus https://therumpus.net/ //https://twitter.com/marisasaystweet and what it feels like to be a Jewish person speaking out for the rights of Palestinians today.
Kieryn and Eve discuss Britney Spears' testimony and why it hit so close to home.
Show Notes: https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/britney-spears-conservatorship-nightmare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhw4BlhaGlg
https://www.vox.com/culture/22350286/2000s-pop-culture-misogyny-britney-spears-janet-jackson-whitney-houston-monica-lewinsky
https://jezebel.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-pop-star-purity-ring-1822170318
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/07/10555257/britney-spears-virgin-sexuality-90s-pop-star-culture
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/britney-spears-conservatorship/
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/guardianship-britney-spears/
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB1045
Eve and Kieryn are joined by Kristin Du Mez to talk about her book, Jesus and John Wayne and the history of how radical right wing evangelicals came to power.
SHOW NOTES Follow Krsitin: https://twitter.com/kkdumez Get the Book: https://bookshop.org/books/jesus-and-john-wayne-how-white-evangelicals-corrupted-a-faith-and-fractured-a-nation-9781631499050/9781631495731
Why is it suddenly more mainstream/acceptable to be pro-Palestine, when just a couple years ago it was extremely unpopular politically on the Left? Kieryn and Eve are joined by MENA scholar (Amy Fallas, PhD candidate at UCSB) and Garrison Davis (PDX uprising reporter + organizer) to talk about the theology behind Christian support of Zionism and also the political history that drives this conflict.
Show notes: A toolkit for countering Christian Zionism: https://countercufi.yuvi.in/ A project of Palestinian Christians to educate evangelicals: https://christatthecheckpoint.bethbc.edu/about-christ-at-the-checkpoint/ A toolkit from the Palestinian Feminist Collective: https://bit.ly/3fHBba8
On Twitter: https://twitter.com/Amy_Fallas https://twitter.com/hungrybowtie
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Tori Glass to discuss how purity culture grooms children for abuse of all kinds, white supremacy, consent, and gentle parenting.
Show Notes: Homeschooled Children's Bill of Rights https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/bill-of-rights/
2 hour special! Eve and Kieryn talk about Purity Culture & Sex Addiction, Masturbation, and the nitty gritty of how Bottom Surgery works. This episode is extremely NSFW! CN: talking about sex/abuse/religion (and also joy).
If you don't like descriptions of medical processes skip from 3:19 - 8:16.
Contribute to Kieryn's surgery fund (leave a note or a peach/cat emoji): Paypal/Venmo/Ko-Fi: MxDarkwater, Square Cash: $kieryn (Kieryn's twitter is @/BluePupBoi)
DRUNK HISTORY. Kieryn and Eve educate the lovely AE Osworth about King David's shenanigans.
This week Kieryn and Eve needed a palate cleanser. Tune in for Veggie Tales jokes, some reality tv gossip, an upcoming KTC Patrons event, and catching up. CW for CSA in church discussion.
Notes Kieryn's Play (on VOD until 3/15): https://vimeo.com/ondemand/lgbtqshortplaysgroupc
Street Parking is Homophobic: https://bancars69.bigcartel.com/
Junior Asparagus v Abraham Piper: https://twitter.com/jeremiahjw/status/1367891730217857025
YouTube Veggie Tales playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrQtEDG-BsXLLOpXSJ_IOq8flrdlVXP8G
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Historian and Executive Director of the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, Dr. Rachel Coleman to dive into the 1776 Commission Report and what it meant.
This episode was recorded in January right after it was published and then subsequently removed with the new Biden admin. :)
Lauren Hough (@laurenthehough) joins Kieryn and Eve to talk about her brilliant debut book, Leaving Isn't The Hardest Thing (April 2021), a collection of essays about what life has been like after being raised in the cult group Children of God. Spanning her time in the air force to working in DC nightlife to her viral essay about being the cable guy, Lauren's essays focus on learning to live, to thrive, after a stolen childhood and refuse the voyeurism that cult survivors are often subjected to.
Notes: Get the book - https://bookshop.org/books/leaving-isn-t-the-hardest-thing-essays/9780593080764
Kieryn and Eve interview Emily English Medley about her book, "From the Moon I Watched Her." An incredibly relatable story about a young woman growing up in the [hushed voice] Church of Christ.
CN: Discussion about religious trauma and childhood sexual abuse.
Get the book everywhere books are sold and find out more at https://emilyenglishmedley.com/
Kieryn and Eve decompress about the first coup attempt with everyone's favorite socialist dog mom (socialistdogmom on twitter), Molly Conger! Find out what it was like to be in DC during the attack, discuss some of the religious imagery and hypothesize about why there were so many Shofars around.
Notes: https://sojo.net/articles/they-invaded-capitol-saying-jesus-my-savior-trump-my-president
https://religionunplugged.com/news/2021/1/6/some-history-behind-the-christian-flags-at-the-pro-trump-capitol-coup
For the last episode of the year and the last episode of Season 2, Kieryn and Eve talk about plans for the future of the podcast, recap 2020, plot 2020 Apocalypse Bingo, and talk astrology.
Patrick Henry College dropout Madison Cawthorn is running for Congress in NC 11, but PHC alumni are turning out to protest his candidacy. Abby Osbourne joins Kieryn and Eve to discuss why.
Kieryn and Eve catch up after a brutal September to talk about Amy Coney Barrett's nomination and how the religious right is explaining a woman's rise to power. This is not the Handmaid's tale, but it's not good either.
Show Notes: https://fee.org/articles/vandalism-is-violence-destructive-riots-are-not-just-property-damage/
https://fee.org/articles/human-rights-are-property-rights/
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/05/how-strong-women-like-amy-coney-barrett-submit-to-their-husbands-with-joy/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/amy-coney-barrett-and-the-triumph-of-phyllis-schlafly.html
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/10/anti-lgbtq-hate-group-leader-attended-amy-coney-barretts-covid-spreading-party/
https://www.christianheadlines.com/contributors/michael-foust/supreme-court-game-changer-christian-leaders-applaud-amy-coney-barrett-pick.html
For Bitch Magazine's Fall 2020 Power Issue, Jaelani Turner-Williams (https://twitter.com/hernameisjae)wrote about how crisis homeschooling this fall might benefit Black and brown students in unexpected ways. Kieryn and Eve discuss with Jaelani her vision of a better future where education is equitable and centered on the individual needs of students.
Show Notes: Jaelani's twitter: @hernameisjae Bitch Magazine article: https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/homeschooling-black-girls-learn-in-peace CRHE's homeschooling outcomes research: https://www.othereducation.org/index.php/OE/article/view/258
In a follow up on the first episode on Betsy DeVos, Kieryn and Eve are joined by listener Kristin to hear about her experience as a public school educator during the reign of DeVos. What has changed? What's been the impact of those changes? What should we be looking out for this fall?
Show Notes: Research: http://bit.ly/devosnotes follow Kristin: https://twitter.com/musicalgal123
Kieryn and Eve discuss Devos' history and relationship to HSLDA to begin understanding what her recent attack on public education means and why HSLDA isn't fighting against the free government money they are notorious for hating. Hint: It's not good.
Show Notes:
Fact Sheet on the Devos Plan https://www.ncpecoalition.org/trump-voucher-plan
Kushner's COVID plan https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/how-jared-kushners-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air
True Believer https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780060505912
Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_DeVos
HSLDA finds an Ally in Devos https://onenewsnow.com/education/2017/05/28/devos-championing-homeschool-freedom-whslda
Devos is de-funding the public schools by giving that money to parents instead https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/betsy-devos-coronavirus-private-schools/2020/06/15/0c484d94-a50b-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html
Things we didn't even get to:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/influential-conservative-group-trump-devos-should-dismantle-education-department-and-bring-god-into-classrooms/2017/02/15/196bf872-f2df-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/rebekahbastian/2020/07/19/how-educational-inequality-in-america-could-be-impacted-by-the-homeschooling-pod-frenzy/
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-22/parents-working-from-home-want-more-support-for-home-schooling
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https://www.christianheadlines.com/contributors/michael-foust/if-schools-dont-open-the-funding-should-go-to-the-parents-trump-says.html
Kieryn and Eve are joined by special guest, Eileen (Eve's mom!) to answer questions about homeschooling through COVID19, how to handle periods of estrangement, and the importance of relationships with your kids.
Note from Kieryn: Hi today I was your audio producer, so you may notice some echos and weird sound residue, this is because I'm not a professional just covering for one on vacation. :3 Sorry about the weird feedback. Dave will be back soon!
Show Notes: CRHE Home Educators Course: https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/courses/ Reb Bradley's piece: http://www.familyministries.com/HS_Crisis.htm
Patreon: https://patreon.com/kitchencultpod
Kieryn and Eve are joined by special guest kitten, Lavender, to discuss the current manifestations of transphobia from Menlo Park church to JK Rowling. CW's apply.
Show Notes: Sponsor Eve's book writing summer (venmo @haettinger)
Menlo Park Timeline: https://ruthhutchins.com/post/menlo-church-john-ortberg-timeline/
CRHE Home Educators Course: https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/courses/
Kiesha Preston! http://www.votekieshapreston.com/
Kieryn and Eve catch up on all the non-plague related happenings. Tune in to hear about the rediscovery of Quiverfull in retaliation to the SCOTUS' ruling on discrimination protections for queer employees, venting about healthcare, and catching up with Jerry Falwell.
Notes:
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2020/06/08/liberty-universitys-jerry-falwell-issues-3-tweet-apology-for-controversial-mask-tweet/
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevin-deyoung/its-time-for-a-new-culture-war-strategy/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/us/lgbtq-supreme-court-religious-freedom.html
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/06/12/us/politics/12reuters-usa-healthcare-transgender.html
https://twitter.com/eve_ettinger/status/1273456614306189314
Kieryn and Eve are back and dive into the Salvation Army's impact in Human Trafficking and how christian NGO's operations can be more harmful than helpful.
Notes:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/america-doesnt-need-any-more-awareness-about-human-trafficking_n_5e3d8bedc5b6bb0ffc1007ec
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Maiden_Tribute_of_Modern_Babylon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Armstrong_case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Law_Amendment_Act_1885
https://s3.amazonaws.com/cache.salvationarmy.org/26defc89-e794-4e5a-a567-0793f3742430_English+Handbook+of+Doctrine+web.pdf
https://www.christianbook.com/kidnapped-story-william-catherine-booth-salvation/dave-jackson/9781929756759/pd/756755?event=ESRCG
https://www.cbeinternational.org/resources/article/priscilla-papers/catherine-booth-salvation-army-and-purity-crusade-1885
https://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/maiden-tribute-story
The stars and the wifi aligned and Kieryn and Eve return to talk about coping with COVID19 isolation, and take a peek into why Samaritan's Purse (and other religious aid organizations) are on the scene and how their religious beliefs may hurt the people they're purportedly supposed to help.
In lieu of a full episode, Kieryn Reads the Tell-Tale Heart
Read it yourself: https://www.poemuseum.org/the-tell-tale-heart
In this episode Kieryn and Eve discuss what the pandemic feels like after growing up in an environment where this level of panic was normal, and provide tips for surviving social distancing and working from home.
WASH YOUR HANDS!
Emergency Homeschooling Resource page: https://crhe.org/COVID
Eve and Kieryn discuss Martha Finley's Elsie Dinsmore books and why christians aren't appalled at Roy Moore and other right wing leaders' abusive histories.
NOTES:
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2017/11/child-marriage-in-elsie-dinsmore-part-1.html
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2017/11/child-marriage-in-elsie-dinsmore-part-2.html
https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/11/fundamentalist-home-schoolers-are-one-group-of-roy-moore-allies-who-think-grown-men-courting-teen-girls-is-natural.html
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2017/11/child-brides-teenage-sluts-and-roy-moore.html
https://rethinkingvisionforum.wordpress.com/2011/09/03/vision-forum-elsie-dinsmore-culture-heartache/
https://web.archive.org/web/20070927090813/http://www.literaturecollection.com/a/o_henry/231/
https://classicsandcraziness.wordpress.com/2019/04/27/follow-up-to-that-post-about-elsie-dinsmore-feat-racism-soooo-much-racism/
Eve and Kieryn are leaning into brain science this week! Joined by Neurosurgeon, Dr. Rachel J Hunt (https://twitter.com/racheljoyhunt) to discuss what having ADHD and CPTSD feels like, as well the science behind these conditions and the importance of Dopamine and Basal Ganglia in motivating yourself to action.
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Emily VanDerWerff from Vox and the Arden Podcast to discuss how the superstitional charismatic practice of seeking signs from God affected their life trajectories.
Notes: Follow Emily: https://twitter.com/tvoti, https://twitter.com/ardenpod! https://www.vox.com/authors/emily-todd-vanderwerff
Kieryn and Eve talk about Florida's HB 1059, Richmond's Gun Lobby Day, and Paula White's...prayer.
Notes:
Kieryn's Patreon: https://patreon.com/kiery Eve at Vice: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/epgzbj/gun-rights-rally-richmond-virginia-hostage CHRE Press Release on Florida Legislation: https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/alumni-group-warns-hb-1059-could-invalidate-floridas-homeschool-law/ Paula White: Financial investigation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_inquiry_into_the_tax-exempt_status_of_religious_organizations Excellent Twitter explainer: https://twitter.com/bsmee1/status/1221413211204988928 Video: https://twitter.com/GuthrieGF/status/1221208783411650560
Kieryn and Eve get sent on a rabbit trail to the Paul and Morgan show, and Eve pivots to do a cold take on wtf was up with Luke P and Hannah Brown on last season's Bachelorette. Why did he think he was so entitled? Why couldn't she bear to send him home when she should have?
In Part 2, Kieryn and Eve discuss Shea's alleged 2nd Manifesto, "Restoration", and explain how strangely Roman and not-biblical it is, for a work supposedly based on the bible. CN for discussion of racism, homophobia, child abuse, and general nazi-ism still applies.
Show Notes: Restoration text: https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2019/dec/19/matt-sheas-restoration/ Rushdoony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Rushdoony Part of the Patriot Movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_movement 3%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Percenters Fear of the Left organizing Counter-States like the Right is doing: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/03/matt-shea-washington-republican-biblical-basis-for-war ALERT Training for Teen Boys: https://alertacademy.com/alert/training/basic-training/ https://alertacademy.com/files/2018/07/ALERT-Standards-Agreement.pdf Shea's Team Rugged: https://youtu.be/WdnubctwBq8
Eve and Kieryn tear into Matt Shea's "Biblical Basis for War" and deconstruct what some of it means within the context of Shea's worldview.
CN for racism, white supremacy, queermisia, and general nazism-disguised-as-theology shenanigans
SHOW NOTES:
Independent Report: http://houserepublicans.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/RampartGroupReport.pdf Biblical Basis for War: https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2018/oct/25/biblical-basis-war/ Restoration: https://www.spokesman.com/documents/2019/dec/19/matt-sheas-restoration/ Patriot Movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_movement 3%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Percenters Fear of the Left organizing Counter-States like the Right is doing: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/03/matt-shea-washington-republican-biblical-basis-for-war
Kieryn and Eve discuss Christianity Today's call for impeachment along with Tulsi Gabbard's lack of vote. They dive into the details of what it would look like to grow up in a religious and politically active cult and never leave.
Show Notes: Donate to CRHE! https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/donate
Christianity Today: - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
Tulsi's Statement: - https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1207753618935308288
Overview of the cult Tulsi grew up in: - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/06/tulsi-gabbard-2020-presidential-campaign.html
Robert's deep dive on her alignment with dictators: - https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-worst-year-ever-49377032/episode/the-cult-of-tulsi-gabbard-51938889/
Modi's muslim ban - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/world/asia/india-muslims-citizenship-narendra-modi.html
Tulsi was homeschooled: - https://www.iowapublicradio.org/post/gabbard-was-homeschooled#stream/0
Krishna Cult Connection: - https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hindu-nationalist-modi/ - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-krishna-cult-rumors_n_6879588 - https://www.civilbeat.org/2015/02/eyebrow-raiser-tulsi-gabbards-new-chief-of-staff-baffles-political-insiders/ http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,4453,page=1 - http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/15759/Video-Tulsi-Gabbard-praises-her-Guru-Chris-Butler-on-50th-Anniversary-of-Hare-Krishna-in-USA.aspx - https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-assad-controversy-explained-1452141
Kieryn and Eve discuss Eric Metaxas' children's books, explain the story of David and Bathsheba, and answer some listener questions!
Show Notes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Metaxas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_College_(New_York_City) https://mxdarkwater.com/2010/10/08/the-burden-of-homeschool-parents/
Kieryn and Eve are back with a much needed palate cleanser episode. Listen as they talk about the representation of homeschooled kids in movies and why Tangled and Frozen hit so close to home!
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Dani Ward to talk about the background and theology behind Bob Jones University (You know, the white supremacist school that went to SCOTUS to try to stop integration and lost but didn't let interracial couples date until the 00s). CN for abuse and discussion of racist ideology in christian fundamentalism.
Notes: - https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/hate-groups-funding-tax-code - https://www.oyez.org/cases/1982/81-3 - https://newrepublic.com/minutes/140724/bob-jones-university-probably-like-forget-banned-interracial-dating - https://brucegerencser.net/2017/08/is-segregation-scriptural-by-evangelist-bob-jones-the-founder-of-bob-jones-university/ - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133 - https://www.netgrace.org/bju - https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/evangelical-history/is-segregation-scriptural-a-radio-address-from-bob-jones-on-easter-of-1960/
Kieryn and Eve discuss Bill Barr's dominionist comments at Notre Dame, dig into his history, and what having an AG who is a theocrat means.
Kieryn and Eve dissect, translate, and refute the arguments presented at the SCOTUS hearing on Oct 8th. TW for discussion of anti-trans anti-queer rhetoric.
NOTES: https://www.mediamatters.org/washington-post/family-research-council-terrible-and-its-president-tony-perkins-just-got-appointed
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/family-research-council
http://blog.adflegal.org/detailspages/blog-details/allianceedge/2019/10/02/why-you-should-care-about-the-outcome-of-the-harris-funeral-homes-supreme-court-case
https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF18L25.pdf
https://www.mediamatters.org/family-research-council/tony-perkins-boasts-he-brought-adf-case-straight-white-house
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualification
https://www.oyez.org/cases/2019/17-1618
The Best Resume: https://donotlink.it/VKAGN how to help: https://mxdarkwater.com/2019/10/10/the-feelings-part-2/
How is miscarriage handled in the extremely pro-life communities Kieryn and Eve grew up in? What's the theological basis for those scary heartbeat bills?
TW: Graphic descriptions of stillbirth/bodies/blood.
show notes: https://aboverubies.org/index.php/2013-11-12-17-55-51/english-language/miscarriage/965-miscarriage-miscarriage-or-abortion
https://aboverubies.org/index.php/2013-11-12-17-55-51/english-language/miscarriage/1043-miscarriage-a-privilege
https://aboverubies.org/index.php/2013-11-12-17-55-51/english-language/miscarriage/1045-miscarriage-he-held-my-hand
Tim Echols, the GA Public Service Commissioner put his name in the hat for the US Senate Appointment. Kieryn and Eve explain who he is, what he believes, and where this fits in the puzzle.
Eve and Kieryn are joined by Katie Botkin to talk about the religious right's obsession with guns. Why is it so important? why is violence so justified? Where does this all come from? find out!
Support Kieryn's transition to being not-a-student: patreon.com/kiery or cash.me/$kieryn
Show Notes: https://www.str.org/publications/the-canaanites-genocide-or-judgment#.XXHMC5NKhbU https://time.com/5169210/us-gun-control-laws-history-timeline/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996.html https://loadoutroom.com/28220/an-interview-with-the-man-behind-t-rex-arms-lucas-botkin/
Kieryn and Eve discuss what it meant when the Orange One said he was "The chosen one" and "like the king of Israel." Is the Cheeto the antichrist? How many steps into genocide are we? What are the traits of fascist takeovers? Listen to this episode to find out!
Show Notes: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/heres-how-wed-really-know-that-trump-is-the-antichrist.html http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/06/trump-uses-language-of-exterminators-about-immigrants.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/08/21/i-am-chosen-one-trump-again-plays-messianic-claims-he-embraces-king-israel-title/ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164138795475881986 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Allyn_Root https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Who-is-Wayne-Allyn-Root-who-called-Trump-King-of-Israel-599398 https://rightsinfo.org/ten-stages-of-genocide/ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/10-small-steps-executing-the-fascist-playbook_b_585dfec2e4b04d7df167cfab
Kieryn and Eve are joined by Garrard Conley(Author of Boy Erased and anti-conversion activist)to discuss why the Love-Fascism-to-Death 2020 presidential candidate has the vibe of a cult leader, and what does that even mean? FIND OUT.
Josh Harris and his ex-partner announced their separation in July which sent shockwaves through the evangelical world. Kieryn and Eve are joined by their friend Tope(https://twitter.com/graceishuman) to discuss what this means for ex-fundamentalists, what it's like to leave that world, and why it's such a big deal.
Notes: Divorce: https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CtVRingGj/ Deconversion: https://www.instagram.com/p/B0ZBrNLH2sl/
Kieryn and Eve chat about coming out, their first Pride experiences, how they feel about corporate Pride, and what growing up bisexual in fundamentalist Christian circles felt like.
Kieryn and Eve are back!! Graduation and finals are over, and they're back in the saddle with a new episode all about the music of their childhoods. Which CCM artists did YOU listen to? How did your family talk about secular recording artists? Why was Amy Grant cancelled and who the hell is Prince?
Bonus! Playlists:
Kieryn's Playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrQtEDG-BsXLL0eqbxfLAQgZSs1CruWWi
Eve's Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrQtEDG-BsXLnADbrn9TSQNwYBkaY9-Lk
Listener Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrQtEDG-BsXL-aJAUPmyV16jvRl5onb53
Kieryn and Eve talk about Rachel Held Evans, the(Homeschooled, Christian fundamentalist) background of the Poway shooter, and why asking questions is so important to escaping fundamentalist thinking.
Episode 34: Do Hard Things Because of the Angels (Live from Oakland Part 2) by Kitchen Table Cult Pod
If you missed the live hangout on Saturday, don't worry. LIVE FROM OAKLAND, IT'S SATURDAY NIGHT (part 1). Kieryn and Eve talk dissect the latest edition of the Above Rubies magazine and talk about how their experiences as sister moms impacted their perspective and choices around parenting.
TW: Birth, Graphic Descriptions, etc
Eve and Kieryn are joined by Nate Caradog, to talk about astrology! Find Nate on: soulfriendastrology.com or @RyanCaradog on twitter.
Articles: Heather Dockray, “Astrology is booming and it's queerer than ever,” Mashable https://mashable.com/2018/05/04/astrology-lgbtq-stars-resurgence-diverse-voices.amp
Interview with Jenn Zahrt and Christopher Renstrom on “trash astrology” https://jennzahrt.com/2016/08/29/interview-christopher-renstrom-trash-astrology/
Books: JL Heilbron, The Sun in the Church: Cathedrals as Solar Observatories Thomas Moore, Care of the Soul and the Planet Within Richard Tarnas, Cosmos and Psyche
Carmen Green, attorney with Americans United, joins Kieryn and Eve to discuss the political strategy of the conservative religious right in the courts system over the last 30 years.
Kieryn and Eve are joined by a friend to talk about their experiences of gender growing up in the church and how that impacted their sense of self upon leaving fundamentalism.
What do worship dance and stripping have in common? Eve and Kieryn are joined by a Quiverfull daughter-turned-stripper, and talk about forms of dance in the church and how they related to performing for others in the years since they did worship dance.
Episode 26: #ExposeChristianHomeschool and Listener Questions by Kitchen Table Cult Pod
Guest Caris Adel joins Kieryn and Eve to talk about the systemic racism and white supremacy in how they were raised, and how Caris has journeyed to dismantle and understand her heritage.
Eve and Kieryn talk about how doubt was handled in their versions of christianity, and what led to their de-conversions.
Notes: How to change your gender marker https://mxdarkwater.com/how-to-change-your-gender-marker-in-ca/
Kieryn's de-conversion https://mxdarkwater.com/2013/11/21/out-of-the-agnostic-closet-and-into-the-fire/
What the fuck happened in 2018, and what did we miss covering with this podcast? Kieryn and Eve do a recap episode.
Also: Santa is a cop.
Check out Organizations and Artists we <3 https://kitchentablecult.com/solstice-love-bomb/
Help Kieryn keep pissing off the nazis (and eat next semester) on their patreon: https://patreon.com/kiery
Donate to the Keep Blanche Fed And Tequila Available Fund on Venmo @haettinger!
Eve and Kieryn talk about the weirdest and worst traditions they experienced growing up, and delve into how the virgin birth was actually really traumatizing! But no episode on Xmas would be complete without discussing the war, so that happens too.
When a missionary is killed by natives, what is the narrative and context for his decision to break international law and illegally enter their territory, and how do Christians see missions work when something like this occurs? What are short term missions all about and is it always colonialist work? How does Eve see her time in the Peace Corps as contrasting with missions culture in the church? Kieryn and Eve address all these questions and more in this episode!
What happens when Eve and Kieryn learn that global warming and climate change are real, not the myths their parents told them to ignore? We talk about the theology behind climate change denial, and what about that mindset remains scary to us.
Trigger Warnings Apply
The American Academy of Pediatrics officially condemns spanking, and Kieryn and Hännah discuss this news and their experiences with spanking and with parenting books by James Dobson, the Pearls, and the Ezzos.
Kieryn and Hännah are joined by Jeremiah Warren to talk about growing up in politically active conservative communities and how that affects us today.
Kieryn and Hännah get into Halloween: what it meant to them, why they weren’t allowed to observe it, and the Reformation Day parties they wished they hadn’t attended. Listen to them talk about communion, witchcraft, and their deconversions.
What happens when you're poor and grew up with Dave Ramsey teachings and then you get married and don't have a credit score...and then you need to get divorced? Kieryn and Hännah talk about trickle-down economics, capitalism, American bootstraps mythology, and Dave Ramsey.
Kieryn & Hännah catch up on answering questions and talk about how cis men can use their privilege to be better.
Footnote: https://twitter.com/JuliusGoat/status/1048547179193946112
Joined this week by KTC producer Aaron Bechtel, Kieryn and Hännah take a pause in their series to focus on self-care and recovering from trauma in religious environments. This discussion covers everything from power naps to voter registration to intuitive recovery.
Jaime Lee Finch joins Kieryn and Hännah to discuss purity culture, how it damages people, and how they are working to heal from it.
What happens when you read the Bible literally on the topic of gender roles?
Kieryn and Hännah discuss headship theology, the Danvers Statement, complementarianism, and the toxic effects of gender essentialism on relationships.
Kieryn and Hännah delve into the negative aspects of their homeschool educations, and why they are so passionate about advocating for homeschool reform. When homeschooling goes wrong, it can go very very wrong...
Kieryn and Hännah are joined by Christopher Stroop and Emily Maust Wood to discuss the newly released Statement on Social Justice (cosigned and written by the likes of John MacArthur, James White, and Voddie Baucham.
What does this statement mean, when translated from evangelical-ese? Why is this important? How does a Christian concerned with social justice respond?
Kieryn and Hännah dig into why courtship became popular in fundamentalist circles, how it works, and what their experiences with courting were like.
Kieryn and Hännah discuss what exactly distinguishes a cult from fundamentalism, and fundamentalism from evangelical thought--and then break down how to avoid falling into fundamentalism, and how to heal from it.
Hännah and Kieryn talk with Kathryn Brightbill, Legislative Policy Analyst at CRHE about the Homeschool Legal Defense Association - what their role is in the current state of things, where they came from, and why they've managed to win so far.
Kieryn and Hännah talk about the organization behind Sessions' Religious Liberty Task Force: the Alliance Defending Freedom. Who are they, Where do they come from, What did they teach?
How do you make a joke about conspiracy theories when the conspiracy turns out to be real?
Kieryn is back post hysto and they and Hännah drink and discuss the popularity culture of the cults they grew up in, courtship, the harris brothers, and the modesty survey.
Also, for those so inclined, Kieryn's uterus images on a mastodon instance: https://computerfairi.es/@bluepupboi/100493509298593435
Hännah and Kieryn discuss the intersections of homeschooling, race, privilege, and children's rights.
Kieryn and Hännah talk about the Pro-Life Movement, what Kennedy's retirement means, and Birth Control