Them’s the Rules is a society and culture podcast trying to wrap its head around the perplexities of human behavior, one rule at a time. Laced with existential mirth, each episode explores the historical, cultural, and philosophical context of a different rule or system of rules, from our social institutions to our New Year’s resolutions and everything in-between. By exposing the universal fault lines that run beneath everything we do, Them’s the Rules offers a new way of engaging in conversations around culture, politics, and society.
It’s wrong to make promises you don’t intend to keep, right?
This tenet of common morality is the basic premise behind “Chekhov’s Gun,” a fundamental concept of storytelling made famous by the prolific Russian playwright, Anton Chekhov.
But this rule goes way beyond the page and stage – think geopolitics, technological advancements, cowboys, and mutually assured destruction.
In this episode, Bronwen looks at human psychology (and human folly) to explain why this literary principle is something we ALL need to be taking seriously, as the survival of humanity depends upon it...
LINKSAnton Chekhov: Collection of Five Plays
“The Pistol on the Wall: How Coercive Military Intervention Limits Atrocity Prevention Policies,”Report of the International Commission on Nuclear Non-Proliferation and Disarmament
Review: Chekhov's Gun and Nietzsche's Hammer: The Biotechnological Revolution and the Sociology of Knowledge
List of Military Nuclear Accidents
@ArtyomLukin
To Intervene or Not to Intervene
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In this episode, Bronwen chats with slow-fashion enthusiast Lauren McKinney about the classic rules of curating a “capsule wardrobe.” They dig into the damaging impact cultural rules of fashion can have on identity formation and mental health and recognize the significant toll rampant consumerism is taking on our wallets and our environment.
As Bronwen reconciles with the reality of her closet, Lauren shares wisdom gleaned from her evolving relationship with sustainability, reflecting on how capsule wardrobing’s underlying framework of “less is more” can be used for the greater good.
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Lauren’s YouTube Channel
@laurenwmckinney
Postmark
Thredup
GoodwillFor DaysSigne from Use LessWe Are What we Eat by Alice WatersFOLLOW THEM'S THE RULES: || WEBSITE || INSTAGRAM || FACEBOOK || TWITTER ||
How much thought have you given to your end-of-life care?
In this episode, Bronwen investigates the practicalities of the controversial advance directive known as the Do-Not-Resuscitate order. What does a DNR actually entail? Who makes the final call? What's the likelihood a life-saving method like cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) will actually work?
To answer these questions (plus many more), Bronwen chats with an emergency medicine physician who deals with DNRs on a regular basis. With two decades of hands-on experience, this practicing ER doc sheds light on the many nuances of end-of-life decision-making, the risks and benefits of resuscitative efforts, and the common misconceptions many of us have about DNRs.
A travel through history’s imaginative methods of resuscitation is also provided, adding context to the impressive array of medical technology we have available today.
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Reviving the Conversation around CPR/DNR
Hospital do-not-resuscitate orders: why they have failed and how to fix them
Approximately One in Three US Adults Completes Any Type of Advance Directive
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Did you make a New Year’s resolution?
In the pits of winter, millions of people hoping to leave their past failures behind them set a goal for themselves in the New Year – to be healthier and happier, to travel more and Instagram less, to spend more time with friends and family or to snag that promotion at work. But studies show only 8% of those who make New Year’s resolutions will actually be successful!
So, what gives?
Why do we make resolutions every January 1st? Why do most of us fail by February?
In this episode, Bronwen explores the ancient tradition of the New Year’s resolution, diving into the social constructions, cultural expectations, and cognitive underpinnings influencing our success.
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Rock, Paper, Scissors…shoot!
Rock, Paper, Scissors (RPS) is an ancient game known around the world for the unambiguous rules: rock beats scissors, scissors beat paper, and paper beats rock.
In this episode, Bronwen takes a multilevel look at this deceptively simple hand game, from a wacky, costumed subculture to the expensive world of high art, sociological commentary on sport to the dynamics maintaining nature’s biodiversity and beyond.
As always, Bronwen engages in a philosophical inquiry into the rules of RPS – beyond its easy gameplay. She considers how we readily employ RPS as a rule to settle disputes – whoever wins, gets to call the shots. We follow this rule based on the premise that as a random game of chance, it is therefore unbiased and fair. … but is it really?
Experts suggest the game can be strategized to one side’s advantage, using insights into human behavior and skills of psychological manipulation to influence a player’s likelihood of success. Can RPS be used to settle disputes more serious than who gets the last slice of pizza? Given its familiarity around the world and precedence of its use in law and order – it’s not that hard to imagine!
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In this episode, Bronwen explores the history and cultural significance of the so-called “Rules of the Internet,” a humorous, yet dated, list of axioms, catchphrases, and memes of what the internet is and how users should behave on it.
Spawned by the infamous 4chan Image Board, these “rules” are not enforceable by any official authority. Rather, they were written as a parody, borrowing from the scientific definition of “rule” to make predictive observations about the phenomena that is our digital landscape.
Bronwen also takes a closer look at the internet’s raunchiest rule, Rule 34: If it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions. By applying a lens of evolutionary psychology, she learns to appreciate the diversity of online pornography.
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We all know the rhyme: finders keepers, losers weepers. It ruled the playground, granting us permission to take ownership of lost property without having to deal with moral consequences. But this unwritten rule isn’t just a childhood relic—society historically has maintained its philosophy across every sector, including the legislation, technology, and the military. In this episode, Bronwen digs into the hypocrisies surrounding “finders keepers,” shedding light on the inherent conflict presented between morality, legality, and practicality. From the invisible world of data to the vast infinitude of space, “finders keepers” is a rule that will continue to have a major impact on your life.
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TIME Article: The Law of Finders-Keepers
Big data: Finders keepers, losers weepers
2015 Space Act
Scientific American article
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We owe the humble pirate a depth of gratitude.
Sure, they terrorized the seas for hundreds of years—pillaging, plundering, raping, torturing, and murdering—but violent legacy aside, they gave us the foundation for democracy!
In this episode, Bronwen uses historical record to contextualize pirate code, breaking down the complicated economic situations of the 17th and 18th century to find newfound empathy for these “ruthless barbarians.”
Despite their lengthy criminal rap sheets, pirates were victims, too. With crews largely formed of refugee sailors fleeing abusive autocratic rule, these men sought to build egalitarian societies with institutional mechanisms to protect individual freedom and prevent leader predation—over a hundred years before America’s Declaration of Independence.
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To mask, or not to mask, that is the question...
In this episode, Bronwen tries to understand the reasons why people refuse to follow preventative measures to contain the coronavirus. By channeling her unconditional positive regard for the human condition, she looks at the situation from the "other side's" point of view. This takes her into an exploration of "rules philosophy," allowing her to ask:
How do we choose which rules to follow?
Why do we choose to follow them? Break them?
What are we to do when there are two opposing figures of authority issuing different rules?
Bronwen approaches the mask and social distancing dilemma from as many perspectives as possible in a single episode -- human nature, social psychology, constitutional scholarship, moral philosophy, and integrated threat theory -- and comes to a surprising conclusion.
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Threat Perception Study from UNC FOLLOW THEM'S THE RULES: || WEBSITE || INSTAGRAM || FACEBOOK || TWITTER ||
What are the do’s and don’ts of proper warfare?
Just like hosting a formal dinner party, hostile conflict must be proper, well-planned, and scrupulously compliant with customary codes of behavior.
In this episode, Bronwen is joined by Major General (R) Allen Harrell to discuss the strict rules of the battlefield—and the challenges presented by modern warfare. With historical analysis and anecdotal evidence, they tackle the rules that help nations balance military interests with the moral values of civilized persons, examine the breaking point between necessary and unnecessary suffering, and discuss the principles behind (and the consequences of violating) the law of war.
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**Major General (Retired) Allen Harrell is a retired member of the U.S. Army. The contents of the podcast are based on his own personal experiences and the views expressed are not intended to reflect the official position of the Department of Defense or the U.S. Army.
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Conduct in CombatLaw Reports of Trials of War Criminals
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How will sheepdogs save the world?
In this episode, Bronwen explores the pastoral pastime of sheepdog trials (think Babe**) and inadvertently stumbles into the complicated world of "swarm robotics."
Long baffled by the sheepdog’s amazing ability to herd large flocks of unwilling sheep, scientists have finally discovered the "two rules" the sheepdog follows in this impressive, and age-old, practice of shepherding. Engineers, biologists, and physicists are now utilizing a model of this behavior to create very complex systems of organized robots.
But, don’t worry---these robots aren’t being designed to replace the dynamic duo of dog and shepherd; instead, researchers expect them to play a much larger and more significant role in society!
#robotuprising**
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Solving the shepherding problem: heuristics for herding autonomous, interacting agents
Aerial views of sheepherding
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When is it “appropriate” to move out of your parents’ house? Are you “behind” in life if you haven’t gotten married by the time you hit thirty? Why is it so hard to balance career and family, and what does it say about us if we can’t?
In Part 2 of Clock-Blocked, Bronwen continues to examine how social rules are impacted by cultural orientation to time. Tackling a variety of time-related issues, like birthday depression, social clocks, motherhood, and how silence can be a useful “tool” to manipulate time in conversations, Bronwen points out how dangerous certain social rules can be to our collective mental health.
Elicia and Rayan offer further insight into the cultural differences between France and America, how to manage a transatlantic relationship, and what, if not “money,” time is in France.
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Envy on Facebook Study
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Are you always working “against the clock?”
**Do you prefer to “go with the flow?”
Every society around the world has a unique perception of time — in some, “time is money,” life moves fast, and productivity is given priority over leisure. In others, time has no value beyond the present moment, so you should seize the day and enjoy it!
Cultural orientation to the past, present, or future informs the way a society structures and organizes itself, laying the groundwork for the social rules that individual members follow to maintain order. The differences between cultures can make our transactions — social, economic, political, and personal — A LOT more complicated.
Bronwen is joined by Elicia and Rayan, a married couple from two very different cultures, to examine how the rules of human interaction are impacted by these cross-cultural conundrums of time.**
(Part one of two!)
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The Golden Rule is widely accepted as the standard for ethical conduct. In Western society, it is often linked to Christianity, but its principle of treating one another with kindness is a tenet found in every religion and culture around the world. You’ve probably heard, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you,” or “Do not do unto others as you don't want them to do unto you.” These two versions may seem like they’re saying the same thing, but the subtle difference in wording reveals two very opposite lines of philosophy. The Golden Rule is an easy way to teach kids right from wrong, but when broken down to its core components, it reveals itself to be an impractical and impossible rule to follow. Still, this principle of treating others as you would like to be treated has made its mark upon history and social justice, such as in President John F. Kennedy’s speech to the American public following the desegregation of the University of Alabama. While the Golden Rule continues to influence domestic and foreign politics, it has created an ethical dilemma of how to balance economics, autonomy, and collective good during the global coronavirus pandemic.
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The Golden Rule and Society
Freud’s Civilization and Its Discontents
JFK’s Report to the People
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Have you ever had the experience where the worst possible thing happened at the worst possible moment and tried to find some solace in the words 'Everything that can go wrong, will go wrong?'. In today’s episode, our host Bronwen discusses Murphy’s Law, one of the most well-known and oft-quoted eponymous universal truths in popular culture. We explore the various origins of its central thesis and how it was popularized in the 1950s during a press conference. We examine how the Law’s prominence continued to be fueled by its inclusion in works such as The Making of a Scientist, and Men, Rockets and Space Rats, and how the release of the book Murphy's Law and Other Reasons Why Things Go Wrong, which included various laws and aphorisms, was particularly successful at popularizing the expression on a global scale. Later we reflect on how Murphy’s law is intertwined with the concept of fatalism and why it has survived and thrived for decades in the public imagination. For all this and more, tune in today!
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The Making of a Scientist
Men, Rockets and Space Rats
Murphy's Law and Other Reasons Why Things Go Wrong
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One of the most controversial topics over the past few years has been immigration. The U.S immigration system is riddled with complexities, biases, blind spots, confusing criteria, and conflicts of morality. Rather than just sharing dull facts and figures, which don’t shed any light on the lived experience of what it is like to navigate this overwhelming system, we thought it best to humanize the topic. As an immigrant himself, today’s guest, Javier S., has in-depth knowledge on what it takes to immigrate to the United States. In this episode, we hear about Javier’s journey, the different times he has lived in the U.S, and the various visas he has held. Each visa comes with strict criteria, and many have limits, which Javier has experienced all too well. We also talk about hiring a lawyer to help you with your immigration process, the uncertainties that immigrants faced during the Trump era, and the intersection of immigration and identity. Tune in to hear it all!
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LINKSUS Visa Bulletin
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Today, we are talking feng shui and its perplexing rulebook of metaphysical measurements, methods, and machinations. Based on Western tendencies to commodify objects, practices, and philosophies from other cultures, we’re all pretty misinformed about what feng shui actually is. The internet, with its DIYs and clickbait, spins this ancient Chinese practice as either magic or superstition, which it is not, or a kind of interior design, which it also is not. In this episode, Bronwen dives into what feng shui actually means, how to maximize your access to beneficial chi and disperse negative chi in your home, and the basics of some of the various traditional schools of feng shui and how the western world has appropriated and bastardized elements of this ancient spiritual practice.
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Feng Shui Nexus
Traditional Feng Shui Solutions by Kartar Diamond
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Coming at you from the forward operating base that is her home office, Bronwen is joined today by the highly decorated Major General Allen Harrell. Now retired, he is an experienced commander, officer of intelligence, skilled infantryman, field artillerist, disposer of explosive ordinances, trained parachutist, and US Army Ranger School alum or, as Bronwen knows him best, her Uncle Allen. In the US Army, following the rules can be a matter of life and death, though some may strike the average civilian as downright arbitrary. The rules and regulations that soldiers follow are laid out in more than 100,000 Army documents that include everything from how to organize a pickup game of basketball to how to stay alive. Join us for a surface-scratching chat on a few rules of military life, including why soldiers should never walk on the grass, the origins of the buzz cut, and who the Jody is in what is known as a “Jody call,” as well as the requirement to follow orders cheerfully, why Allen ate rather than drank his coffee rations at Ranger School, and whether or not there is such a thing a silent Velcro. Tune in today!
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**Major General (Retired) Allen Harrell is a retired member of the U.S. Army. The contents of the podcast are based on his own personal experiences and the views expressed are not intended to reflect the official position of the Department of Defense or the U.S. Army."
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Allen Harrell on LinkedIn
US Army Rangers
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The “five-second rule” of food hygiene states that any food dropped on the floor is still safe to eat, provided that it is picked up within five seconds. Maybe you’re thinking that this common piece of playground wisdom is just a silly line of inquiry, but food safety is a major health burden in the United States. And this is a rule that people actually follow so, from a public health standpoint, it is important to know whether or not it holds any truth! In today’s episode, dedicated to all her fellow germaphobes out there, Bronwen looks at what the science has to say on the matter, whether the length of time, the wetness of the foodstuff dropped, and the nature of the floor surface influence the outcome, and contemplates what this rule says about our human nature. Tune in for a slightly icky but thoroughly illuminating investigation into the five-second rule and find out why you should definitely think twice before eating off the floor!
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‘If You Drop It, Should You Eat It? Scientists Weigh In on the 5-Second Rule’
‘Residence time and food contact time effects on transfer of Salmonella Typhimurium from tile, wood and carpet: testing the five-second rule’
‘Longer Contact Times Increase Cross-Contamination of Enterobacter aerogenes from Surfaces to Food’
Did You Just Eat That?
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As open conversations around the topic of mental health become less stigmatized, it is also important to hear therapists’ points of view. In today’s episode, Madeline, Bronwen’s close friend who happens to be a therapist-in-training, joins us to talk about ethics and therapy. We hear about how Madeline’s own experience being in a treatment facility for an eating disorder inspired her to become a therapist. We then get into some of the ethics in the space, like having dual relationships, confidentiality, and boundaries. While some of these areas, like confidentiality, have more concrete rules than others, there are still so many gray areas that can be subjectively interpreted. Madeline talks about the value of having an experienced supervisor and mentors to help you navigate these ethical conundrums. Our conversation also covers topics like boundaries, physical touch, along with guidelines on what to do if you are starting therapy. This was a great conversation that only scratched the surface of this fascinating topic, so tune in to hear it all!
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The Body Keeps Score
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**Don’t talk to strangers.
Don’t walk alone at night.
Don’t accept rides from people you don’t know.
Even if we follow these rules of personal safety, we are all still susceptible to abduction. In this episode, Bronwen looks at “rules” to follow domestically and abroad to avoid being kidnapped—and the “rules” of survival if you still are.**
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Evil Genius
‘What happened to Sarah Everard?’
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Weather modification might sound like a superpower a fictitious character may wield, but that is far from the case. Altering the weather is very much a human activity that has been used in a variety of ways. In today’s episode, we dive into weather modification and warfare, a topic Bronwen came across through lucky happenstance and fiber optic internet. We hear about The Geneva Conventions and the specific article that stipulates conditions around weather modification. The U.S. used weather modification during the Vietnam War, and we find out more about this and the surrounding debates. The weather has been controlled for other reasons, and Bronwen shedS light on some of the legislation in the U.S that outlines this act. These alterations or manipulations are incredibly contentious, and there are people with very strong opinions on both sides. Tune in to hear about what some of these are!
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'Rainmaking Is A Weapon Used by the U.S'
James Espy
Weather Modification Association
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
Chemtrails: Aerosol and Electromagnetic Weapons in the Age of Nuclear War
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Does your Starbucks barista really **care when she asks, "Hi, how are you today?"
Do you really mean it when you say, "I'm fine." ?
In this episode, Bronwen explores sidewalk psychology and the unwritten rules of meaningless conversation, also known as "phatic expressions." These seemingly innocuous strings of words make our social interactions easier, but with their wide variation across cultures, generations, and societies worldwide, they can also become points of contention.
If you (like many others) think that the French are rude, you may just not understand “bonjour culture." Interrupting is not a universally impolite action, and some people consider, “No problem,” a dismissive statement. You’ll also hear about the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on our interactions, how computer scientists are using these rules of phatic communication to program robots with more human qualities, and how deviating from the script of polite exchanges can unravel the constructs of our social reality.**
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The Bonjour Effect
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Welcome to the first episode of Them’s the Rules, a show that reasons you have to know the rules in order to break them. In this episode, Bronwen sheds light on Oregon’s very specific gas pumping laws. As one of only two states in the country that does not allow people to pump their own gas, Oregonians are in a very unique position. We hear about some of the reasons behind the law and find out the reaction when these laws have been altered. Bronwen also talks about twiplomacy, explaining what the concept is and how it affects all of us, even if we are not Twitter users. We find out about some of the rules around world leaders using Twitter and some proposed amendments that are in the pipeline. Tune in to hear this and more!.
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