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Clarissa Rayward
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This is very last episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' with host, Clarissa Rayward.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Claudia Maw.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Andrew McCormack.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Kate Sherburn.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Kate Sherburn.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Elspeth Finney.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Elspeth Finney.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Elizabeth Fairon.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Elizabeth Fairon.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Perpetua Kish (Pepe) and Jonathon Naef (Jono) Co-founders of Balance Family Law.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing immigration lawyer, Rachael Bosnjak.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing family lawyer Joplin Higgins OAM.
Joplin is someone I’ve known through the excellent work she does in the family law space for a while now, so it was such a privilege to be able to sit down and learn more about her story. Joplin really is such a great example of someone who came into law through a fascinating pathway, found her calling, and has created a unique space in #Lawland where she continues to flourish.
While covering what led her to where she is now (Joplin’s rural upbringing, love of jewellery, time in Germany and how coral trout led her into the law), a key piece for me here is Joplin’s observation on the importance of loving people as a lawyer, and our role in creating a great customer service experience. In allowing this love and care for clients to shine, it makes us better – not just as lawyers, but as people too.
This conversation was so much fun, but also a fantastic insight into something many of us experience in law – ending up in a space that was not a part of our initial plan! Joplin is a beautiful example of how life leads us to unexpected places, and how we can make the most of these opportunities to learn, grow, pivot, and find joy.
In this interview, Joplin and I also chatted about-
- If Joplin was not a lawyer she would have been a jewellery designer!
- Managing your mind through creativity.
- The perspective Covid has brought us and Joplin's realisation of the important things in life.
- Growing up in Emerald country NSW, gave her a passion for regional communities.
- A rotary exchange in Germany resulted in Joplin moving there for 2 years as a nanny.
- Re-locating to Carins in North QLD to be closer to her brother, where she stayed for 12 years while raising a family.
- How a Coral Trout led Joplin to become a lawyer.
- The many different ways people find themselves on the path to law.
- Studying at JCU in Cairns and her first work experience stint, led to a change from criminal to family law.
- After her own divorce, having to make difficult decisions to manage study and a family.
- After her degree, Joplin was finally able to be with her kids and made the move to Wagga Wagga in NSW.
- Making the right decision at the right moment.
- Joplin's experience in Legal Aid and her recommendation for young lawyers to work here for a stint.
- Moving to the Hunter Valley to buy a farm and start a law firm!
- The evolution, and deconstruction, of Joplin Lawyers
- The care for the client is essential and Joplin discovered that loving people leads to loving the law.
- Reflection brings clarity and, the perspective of balance.
- She has become an advocate for Domestic Violence Abuse and the awards she has won for her work including an Order of Australia Medal.
- Joplin's advice to young lawyers coming into the industry.
- Joplin's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Joplin Higgins.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful Kate Christie.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing James Janke and Drew Hamilton. James and Drew are together the owners and operators of Hamilton Janke, a progressive criminal law practice based in Newcastle. These two friends started their business a few years ago and I so enjoyed hearing the 'how and why' behind that decision. Partnerships in legal firms were certainly the way of the past, but we don't see so many of them popping up now and yet here is one that really works. For James and Drew it is the combination of their shared drive for excellence in their area of law but perhaps more importantly their common belief in the value of life and family. This is a fun interview for anyone with an interest in building a firm from the ground up. These two have done it, successfully, and I can see why having had the chance to enjoy their banter for this hour! We talked about surfing, being a Rock Star and somewhere in their life as a criminal lawyer! My favourite tip from these two was a reminder that as business owners it is important to give yourself permission to have downtime, without any guilt.
In this interview, James Janke and Drew Hamilton and I also chatted about-
- If James was not a lawyer he would have been a firefighter and Drew would have been a Lawyer or a Rock Star! (yes I did get a little distracted by the Rock Star ideal!)
- The connection between the performing arts and advocacy as a courtroom lawyer.
- James was born in the UK and moved to Newcastle where he completed his studies.
- Drew grew up locally in the Hunter Valley and why he chose the law.
- The value of human connection in law.
- How Drew and James' paths crossed and the aligned values they shared.
- The beginnings of 'Hamilton Janke' in 2016.
- The impact of the pandemic on life in law- the good and the not so good!
- The opportunities of smaller boutique firms and rural local communities.
- The importance of giving yourself permission to have downtime, without guilt.
- Why their business partnership works and how they are able to support each other.
- The challenges of running a legal practice.
- Becoming agile in a traditionally rigid legal system.
- The transfer over to fixed fees and the advantage of this for their clients.
- A couple of criminal law stories- and a kangaroo in court! Literally!!
- The operation of the criminal justice system during the pandemic.
- The future for 'Hamilton Janke'
- Their tips for their younger selves going though university.
- James Janke and Drew Hamilton's Happiness Tips.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with James Janke and Drew Hamilton.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Hunter Steele. Now Hunter is a lawyer turned tech company head and one of the creators of the Legal Software Company Smokeball. So how does a boy from Western NSW find himself at the head of one of the world's leading legal tech companies? Well that is what I found out in this chat!
As is the case in so many of these interviews, I was again reminded that our training and skills as lawyers have such broad application if we let them. For Hunter, it was growing up in his Dad's regional law firm, seeing the everyday challenges of small business, that kickstarted his interest in legal tech. That and a wonderful friendship early in his career with another lawyer turned tech guru, Christian Beck.
Hunter's knowledge and love of legal practice shines through in this conversation. And I have decided that building legal tech is sort of 'building' with virtual lego blocks so it makes so much more sense to me now! Jokes aside though, Hunter is another great example of using your skills, following your passions and building a career in law that works for you.
In this interview, Hunter and I also chatted about-
- If Hunter was not a lawyer he would have been in the tech space - which is where he is now!
- Hunter has always been creative and shares how he ended up in the software field, rather than heading into the construction space.
- As a child, Hunter lived in Bathurst and his experience of growing up in a beautiful regional town.
- His time studying law at Bond University.
- Joining the software writers at 'Leap' and how this changed the trajectory of his life.
- The beginnings of 'Leap' and how the founder, Christian Beck, was well ahead of his time.
- The beginnings of 'Smokeball' and how Hunter started this spin-off business with the support of his mentor and.
- Building the culture within a business has brought the most joy to Hunter.
- In the last 2000s, Hunter launched Smokeball into America.
- Hunter's experience of living in Chicago USA, through Covid and, the political environment in 2021.
- Legal market trends and how verticalization (or niching) is changing in Australia.
- A day in the life of Hunter!
- The legal trend changes, in Australia, and the average law firm's attitude towards technology.
- The advantage of a fixed-fee and client-centric business model.
- Hunter's predictions for the future of tech in the law.
- His advice for those looking to shift into technology space and, how these programs can be used to reduce stress.
- Hunter's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Hunter Steele.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful Kass Hall. I’ve met Kass this year, as she’s finally moved up to Brisbane after many prior moves down south. This is a really interesting chat with a very special person, and I think there’s a lot to take from Kass’s story.
Kass is a lawyer, an artist, a teacher, a humanitarian, and an AFL enthusiast. She’s had a diverse background in both her career and her life experience, and has come into the law as a graduate a little later in life after a prior career in teaching. She is passionate about kindness and helping others, being candid in our struggles, and emphasizes the importance of owning your experiences and struggles in order to learn and grow.
Kass takes us through the difficulties in beginning a legal career after having previous vocations, the realities of health struggles and how they can put life on hold, and the ultimate importance of knowing how and when to say, ‘I am not okay’ – which applies to mental health as much as it does to physical health. She has also struggled with her mental and physical health extensively over her lifetime, and has developed a unique resilience and perspective from these challenges.
Ultimately, Kass’s life experience – both in law and outside of it – is a really powerful story for anyone looking to find their place and make their mark on the world. The bottom line of Kass’s story, and they key piece in her finding happiness?
While we can't control what happens through our lives, what we can control is our responses to these challenges.
In this interview, Kass Hall and I also chatted about -
- If Kass was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher, which she was in her earlier days.
- She is an avid AFL Football fan and grew up in inner-city Melbourne.
- Yelling at a football game always gives Kass an emotional boost and is a great outlet.
- Kass' parents are both in the police force and she shares some childhood experiences.
- At the young age of 12, Kass was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer, which has had a lasting impact on her.
- The risky and long-lasting procedures Kass endured as a child, and having life-changing decisions made on your behalf.
- Kass' mental health and the impact her illness has had on her life.
- 'You cannot be physically healthy unless you are mentally healthy.'
- Control in our lives is lacking - all you can control is your reaction.
- Learning to say 'I'm not okay today', and Kass' tips for walking alongside someone dealing with mental health struggles.
- 'Don't be afraid to screw up - life goes on.'
- Losing a partner at age 21 and how she coped with this event.
- Getting to the end of her visual arts degree before going into teaching.
- Her four cancer re-occurrences and the miracle surgery.
- Kass wrote a book before her 4th cancer re-occurrence, and how this journey led her to become a legal studies teacher.
- Kass' passion is to represent young people in a more impactful way.
- The move to Brisbane just before the pandemic hit and her difficulty in finding work.
- Kass' passion for young people, justice and fariness.
- Kass encourages everyone she meets to seek legal advice of some sort before self-represening.
- Leaving people better than when you found them; 'It's not about me - I want to be the one to push others forward.'
- Kass's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kass Hall.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Carolyn Devries.
Carolyn has been someone who has been working in a similar space to me for a long time, and finally getting to sit down and talk with her has been such a pleasure. She is running the first ever privately owned not-for-profit law firm in the family space in Australia, ‘New Way Lawyers’, and she has found a very different way of structuring a law practice!
When we think of innovation in law, the focus is often on legal technology or the financial benefits, and Carolyn's perspective has been a really refreshing way to reflect on legal innovation with an emphasis on the humans involved. It was quite some time ago that we did this interview, as is the chaos of 2021 for me, but it really was such a poignant discussion. Carolyn is an incredible person who has lived an exceptional life, driven by her values and purpose in every space of her life and career. From a farming property in a small country town in NSW, she has travelled the world and taken time to carve her own path – a path that has led her to ‘New Way Lawyers’.
Carolyn has created a very unique and holistic practice that makes legal help more accessible. ‘New Way Lawyers’ exists to help guide separating families – regardless of financial situation – through the hardest time of their lives. Not only does Carolyn's team help legally, but they also give emotional and practical support to their clients too. She has created a unique business that embraces both a legal and not-for-profit framework to create a practice that is both incredibly innovative and deeply empathetic. There is a strong sense of peace and freedom for Carolyn in knowing that she is where she is meant to be – in her family, career, faith, and home in Brisbane.
Carolyn offers us a lot of learnings in regards to finding happiness in the law, and her passion, values, purpose and sense of humour are key pieces in that.
In this interview, Carolyn and I also chatted about-
- If Carolyn was not a lawyer, she would love to review musicals and books! However, ultimately, law is her calling.
- Carolyn’s upbringing and travels – from rural NSW to Northern Canada, Namibia, Kakadu and Nullabor with her husband (and later children!)
- Her pathway to law; decided to study law as she describes herself as being a ‘typical candidate’, however, she hated studying it until she began to work with clients and realised that it could be a pathway to help people.
- Sharing her difficulties in the confronting nature of criminal law, and how this resulted in her closing the door on law for a while.
- After moving to Kakadu, Carolyn became involved in the not-for-profit sector working with First Nation Australians. Through this work, she found a deep passion that led her to her Masters in the management of not-for-profit organisations.
- While in Canada and continuing her Masters, Carolyn’s realisation that while she had ‘closed the door’ on law, it was not locked.
- The puzzle pieces of Carolyn’s experiences, chance meetings and how this brought her to a place of contentment.
- The beginnings of New Way Law Firm – Australia’s first not for profit law firm.
- The moment of fear, and how Carolyn overcame these fears with passion and purpose.
- The team at New Way and the ‘more than people’ attitude of the firm.
- Carolyn explains ‘Social Franchising’ and how her firm works.
- How New Way delivers client care activities outside of the traditional legal sphere, including the weekly ‘Client Care Blog’ and her in-court client support.
- The benefits of moving the measure of success from the cash to the customer.
- The importance in seeing family law as an experience, as opposed to as a service.
- Innovation in law, usually connected to technology, is now shifting to customer service.
- How vital it is to surround yourself with supportive voices!
- Working from a place of values and purpose gives you the peace and freedom that come from doing what you love.
- Carolyn’s tips for students coming into the law, and her encouragement to cross-learn.
- Faith, Family and Pepsi Max!
- Carolyn’s Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Carolyn Devries
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Danae Younger. These days Danae is a Barrister here in Brisbane with a beautifully diverse practice. Her career in law has been a fascinating one- from private practice to stints at the Public Guardian and the Crime and Corruption Commission. Danae also has a beautiful perspective on life and law and shared lots of great advice, particularly for anyone considering a move to the private Bar.
And while I thoroughly enjoyed our discussion about life in the law, I was so thrilled for the excuse to discuss my other passion in life-Dance! It turns out that Danae and I have a shared love of all things performing arts and while we are both more connoisseurs than participants these days, Danae threw on her dancing shoes this year and joined the Brisbane Festival in the 'Common People Dance Eisteddfod' something that sounds right up my ally! But for all our chat about dance, Danae's message is an important one- that when we create space for fun or even a bit of silly in our lives it has a wonderful impact on our wellbeing.
In this interview, Danae and I also chatted about-
- If Danae was not a lawyer she would have been an editor as her passion for writing has always been a part of her life.
- The performing arts and the joy that this creative outlet brings to so many in the law.
- The thrill and anxiety of performing and the advantage of this skill set in law.
- Danae was born and bred in Brisbane and shares her traditional path into the law.
- The reason Danae chose the law, as well as her time in journalism and the performing arts.
- Not everything you do needs to lead to something - there is value in passions outside of the law.
- Her time as an Article Clerk and the practice areas she enjoyed.
- Working as a paralegal for an insurance firm and how she makes connections in this field.
- Business services, wills and estates vs criminal law.
- The value of a mentor and how they are able to drive your passion.
- The importance of speaking up, which led Danae to her preferred path of Criminal Law.
- Working for the Government was a way to receive a more flexible work arrangement.
- Danne's time challenging investigative powers and testing to ensure due diligence.
- Danae's decision to join the Private Bar and her experience of the Bar Course.
- Her time as a public guardian and what is involved in this work.
- Life as a woman in the bar - the pros and cons.
- Danae pushes herself to build her skills and communication.
- Women connections and the briefing policy at the Bar.
- As a barrister, Danae enjoys the flexibility and balance in life this work brings.
- The Common People Dance Eisteddfod and the connections she has made with others who 'embrace the silly.'
- Finding joy in activities outside the law and the role of laughter on your happiness.
- Danae's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Danae Younger.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Nick Dore. Nick is someone who I have learnt a lot from, particularly in the past 12 months. I wanted to bring in Nick this week, as it is mental health week here in Australia and Nick has a whole lot of helpful things to say about this topic. From his own lived experience to a very successful and equally demanding career in the law, Nick's perspective on the importance of sharing our narratives, seeking help and looking after each other makes him the perfect guest for this important week.
Nick is a criminal lawyer who helped to create Fisher Dore, a renowned Law Firm, here in sunny Brisbane. Brisbane is where Nick has been based for the majority of his life (despite his best efforts to escape to the Caribbean!). Outside of being a successful criminal lawyer, Nick is a very down-to-earth person with a strong sense of humour and a great deal of love for his wife and kids. Something that both Nick and I hold very close to our hearts is mental health awareness, and one of the main pieces we discuss here is the personal and professional changes – both positive and negative – that have occurred in the past year since Covid emerged in this space.
At the end of the day, while someone who has spent most of his life dedicated to building up his firm, Nick has put a lot of emphasis on being a human first, and a lawyer second. While ‘being human’ is a flexible term here (for Nick it means taking the kids to swimming, going to Sizzler and playing Call of Duty), the bottom line of being yourself and knowing when to ask for help is something that is vitally important. Nick’s sense of humour and candidness in tackling these tough discussions is something that I think we could all learn from going forward.
In this interview, Nick and I also chatted about-
- If Nick was not a lawyer, he would have continued to run a video store, which was his full-time job in university.
- Nick's experience at both Griffith and UQ studying law and film, and shares his experience of University in the late 90s.
- Nick's wife Marie - how they met, and how their careers have aligned.
- His early experience of working in Woodridge in Criminal and Personal Injury law.
- Working as an Articled Clerk and the different types of matters he dealt with.
- The emotional resilience which is required to maintain a passion for Criminal Law.
- Nick shares the beginnings of Fisher Dore in April 2006 and the start-up experience.
- The award-winning culture of Fisher and Dore and gender balance in the law.
- How Nick manages the mental impact of the pandemic on his staff.
- The creative flow has resulted from the pandemic within legal aid.
- The loss of Judge Guy Andrew in 2020 and, this impact on Nick as a close personal friend.
- Nick's personal experience in seeing a psychologist, and how this introspection has helped him learn and grow as a person.
- The stigma and fear attached to discussions of mental illness, death and suicide in our community, and the importance of being candid about struggles and grief in order to help ourselves and others into the future.
- Nick's tips for balancing your workload and your personal health in law to create sustainability and longevity for your legal career.
- Time lost, and the lifestyle shift Nick has experienced over the past year.
- Managing client and staff expectations, and Nicks practical tips for time management.
- The future (and some past stories) of Fisher Dore.
- The value of networking and showing interest in people as human beings.
- Nick's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Nick Dore and this week I am including some important phone numbers for the wonderful services that are available for you or anyone you know who might need to talk at any time.
Lifeline on 13 11 14
Kids Helpline on 1800 551 800
MensLine Australia on 1300 789 978
Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467
Beyond Blue on 1300 224 636
Headspace on 1800 650 890
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Alex Sinatra. I think Alex best described her role(s) now when she said she has a 'portfolio career'. My take on this descriptor is that Alex has brought together her unique knowledge and experience to build a career in law that has many aspects but is a perfect fit for her.
At the time I recorded this interview with Alex we were both in the midst of following our world leading athletes at the Tokyo Olympics and it made for a fascinating conversation as Alex has both a personal background as a competitive gymnast but also now works in the sports law space. That coupled with her biological connection to Frank Sinatra had me so intrigued during this chat.
Each day in Alex's work life is different and this is how she likes it. She is a true example of building a career that brings together your passions, interests and talents which has at the heart of it happiness- all the things you know I love!
In this interview, Alex and I also chatted about-
- If Alex was not a lawyer she would have been an actress or a model.
- Alex grew up in the United States and currently resides in Texas. She came from a multi-cultural background and yes - is related to the famous Sinatra family!
- Many Alex's family members are in the medical field and she discusses her expectations of COVID in the next few years.
- Originally, Alex set out to become a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and completed 2 years of pre-med.
- After deciding medicine was not for her, she made the switch to law and business.
- Alex always had goals to combine sport into a career and shares why this was so important for her.
- Alex shares how student-athletes were unable to profit from their name, image and likeness, and her involvement in changing these regulations.
- The world of social media and the profits that can now feely be made by athletes.
- The NCAA and Alex's passion for becoming an Advocate for Athletes.
- The world of Gymnastics and the pressure athletes are under both domestically and abroad.
- Alex shares her perspective on the parallels between sport and our work as lawyers.
- Mental Health and recognising we, as lawyers and individuals are important as well.
- The TLAP program and the ability to check-in anonymously on a colleague if concerned for their mental health.
- The eye-opening moment of working in Family Law, her experience working in this area and her motivation to change direction.
- Alex's first experience in sports law and her growth in leadership and management.
- Working on USA today writing for the NFL and how she intentionally curated her career over many years.
- Pivoting during the pandemic and the beginnings of 'Your Potential For Everything'.
- Alex has taken her practice of law and coupled it with her passion for sports and says, 'the puzzle has now fallen into place.'
- The value of networking and how to prove you are a good investment.
- Alex encourages us to follow our path and stay in our own lane.
- As lawyers, we are taught perfection or failure and dealing with those expectations.
- She says 'Have that faith in yourself. Recognise that it will not be easy, but if you're doing what you want to do it will be enjoyable.'
- Contentment balanced with striving for more without comparison.
- Alex's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Alex Sinatra
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing one great lawyer and now the founder of 'Simple Courage,' Heather Hubbard. Heather and I have been connected with one another online for years, as we are working on very similar things despite being across the world from one another. She is someone who inspires me a lot, especially with her work in the space of finding courage and joy.
Heather has spent her life on a mission to speak out and change the world for the better. From her childhood in a small, conservative town in Kentucky, she has been determined to achieve her dreams and prove wrong anyone who told her otherwise. Heather has practiced in law firms of all sizes, and found a specialty in holistic strategy and advice. She is the founder of 'All Rise' and more recently, 'Simple Courage', both of which are businesses with a focus on helping people achieve their goals.
What makes Heather so special is her ability to see the bottom line of what stops us from reaching these goals; fear. 'Simple Courage' was founded to hone in on this aspect, and help people to discover themselves and give us the courage to reach (and surpass) our ambitions. A piece that I particularly love that Heather focuses on is her belief in finding moments of play, joy and mindfulness in our lives.
This podcast may seem a little left of field, as Heather is, in her words, an 'inactive' attorney - but I think her focus on fear, courage and play is incredibly poignant and relevant to lawyers at all stages of their lives and careers. There is a lot of power in Simple Courage.
In this interview, Heather and I also chatted about-
- The importance of certainty for our wellbeing and we discuss the impact of the pandemic this past year.
- If Heather was not a lawyer, she would have been doing what she is now - an online business where she is a speaker.
- Women in the law who have taken their skills to the next level.
- The beauty of social media and the sense of belonging that is achievable in this space.
- Heather grew up as a small-town girl in Kentucky where she knew, early on, that she wanted to challenge societal norms.
- Her time at Vanderbilt Law School and her path into law.
- Heather's goal was to work in Entertainment and Intellectual Property Law and she shares her 'hustle; approach.
- 'Fancy law-firm America' and the overwork culture.
- Heather's reasoning for leaving the law to follow her dreams to become a leader and speaker.
- The initial version of 'Simple Courage' and her learnings from this time.
- Giving yourself permission to have fun.
- Problem-solving and the experimental part of pivoting in business.
- The beginner mindset or the curious mindset and the value of questioning your life.
- The beginnings of Simple Courage and the evolution to a holistic approach.
- When an idea pulls at your heart you need to listen.
- The worry around failure and Heather's tips for overcoming this fear.
- Courage is an act so, get uncomfortable because courage is contagious.
- Our assumptions of roles and expectations - these are the root of our beliefs.
- Authenticity and the law can go hand in hand if we have the confidence to do so.
- Heather's perspective on the legal identity and how we can step out in a different way.
- Outside of work, Heather is creative and shares the value of creativity in the law.
- Heather gives us the discount code HappyLawyer for her Discovery Program.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Heather Hubbard.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast,' I had the pleasure of interviewing solicitor Kristal Naividi.
Kristal is someone who I hadn’t had the opportunity to properly chat to prior to recording together, and really embodies what is so special about this podcast. Kristal’s sense of humour, kindness, resilience and ability to focus on the bigger picture are things that have really stood out for me – as well as her spectacular ability to embrace the chaos life brings!
Kristal has not followed a conventional path to law. In fact, her first experiences with the legal system came as a part of growing up in public housing across the road from the Long Bay Jail in Eastern Sydney! While her journey into law was non-linear, Kristal now runs her own firm – Coastal Lawyers – and is doing her Masters. In fact, Kristal was drawn to criminal law and family law as her lived experience growing up has given her a lot of insight into how people end up where they are. As a result, she can provide an unusual level of empathy and perspective for her clients.
Beginning as a legal secretary after seeing studying law at university as unattainable, Kristal has since become a qualified lawyer, worked for 12 years with the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) in difficult, varied cases across NSW. However, in 2020, she started finding the build-up of vicarious trauma harder to leave at work – so Kristal decided she wanted to start something new. Kristal started her law firm ‘Coastal Lawyers’ last year, 6 weeks before the Covid-19 lockdown hit - with three boys under 6 at home! Despite this, Kristal has continued to grow her business, run around with her boys, and work in a space that lets her passion for hearing the stories of others really shine.
Kristal’s superpower is her ability to view speed-bumps in life as learning experiences, and to see the bright side of life in even the most difficult cases. Her story is a great reminder to be kind, to listen, to ride the wave, and to remember that even in the toughest days in #lawland, the sun will rise the next day.
In this interview, Kristal and I also chatted about-
- Kristal’s lockdown tips – lower your expectations, prioritize, and keep your routine!
- Kindness is not weakness.
- What would Kristal be in an alternate life? A singer or a psychologist!
- Growing up and living on the Central Coast, how her upbringing shaped her career.
- Her non-linear path into law.
- Benefits and difficulties in working for the DDP.
- Her start-up business journey through Covid.
- A day in the life; Kristal’s tips for lawyering as a mum.
- Clients, and knowing when to say no!
- The importance of teams and communities.
- Non-lawyer life – the chaos of a house of boys, and how this helped her law firm!
- Stressors in life and law, and how she manages these.
- Mental health issues and the law, and the impact this has.
- Her influences in law, and where she’d like to be in 10 years.
- The benefits of having her own firm – flexibility, and what works best for her priorities.
- Kristal’s thoughts on family law, and the differences between family and criminal law.
- Her ‘magic wand’ wishes, and her favourite guilty pleasure TV show.
- Kristal’s happiness tip!
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kristal Naividi.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Adair Donaldson.
This episode has been a long time in the making!
I have known Adair for a few years, and he is someone that I have a lot of respect for both professionally and personally. Adair is someone who takes responsibility and ethical duty very seriously and is incredibly passionate and dedicated to his work. Adair has dedicated his career to helping people, and in helping make a lasting difference – to individuals and to the legal system – through his role as a lawyer and as an educator.
Adair’s practice, Donaldson Law, specialises in advocating for victims of sexual abuse. What makes Donaldson Law so special is its focus is not just the traditional route of legal assistance. Adair has created Donaldson Law as a practice that takes a far more holistic, understanding and healing approach to their clients. He focuses on the human factor; the trust in listening to and sharing stories, and being able to assure clients that their stories are heard, believed, and going to be shared to make a difference.
Adair’s passion, dedication and determination in law is a great example of what law can offer – to both practitioners and clients – in creating and sustaining a better world.
In this interview, Adair and I also chatted about-
- Adair's calling to become a lawyer (and his inspiration, Atticus Finch!)
- Mentors and the importance of educating the younger generation.
- The 4 A's of Abuse for survivors - Acknowledgement, Apology, Assurance and Assistance.
- Adair's background and lasting roots in regional Queensland.
- His work with Shine Lawyers, and his decision to create a different way of doing the law.
- The beginnings of Donaldson Law in 2016, and the value of working with his wife.
- The decision to start the national office in Sydney before opening in Toowoomba.
- Grinders, minders, finders and cupcakes!
- Increasing exposure for Violence Against Women, and what steps need to take place for long-term change.
- Defining sexual harassment and giving others the strength to speak out.
- Making a difference in sports for the next generation and Sport Integrity Australia.
- Adair's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Adair Donaldson.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Michelle Snape. I have come to know Michelle thanks to her involvement in my Mastermind Program this past year. I have often asked myself if perhaps I have learned more from Michelle than she from me in that setting and I have really come to know her as one of the wisest, kindest and impressive lawyers (and humans) I have met in my time. She is also the last person to share her own successes so I am hoping I have managed to do that for her in this interview.
When it comes to legal innovation, often the conversation is centred around firms in metropolitan areas, tech solutions or 'new law' organisations. We rarely hear of the many innovative practices occuring in smaller towns around our regional centres and this is a story of 2 of those. Michelle is one of the most innovative lawyers I know, running two very different practices on the central coast of NSW. You just won't probably have heard much about any of that until now as she prefers to focus on the doing more than the saying!
I could talk for hours about Michelle's achievements but they are best summed up by two things- firstly she has become known in our Mastermind group as 'The Oracle' because she forever has the wise advice that we have all needed on all sorts of things this past year. And she is also the subject of my next 'Celebrating the Cool' brooch for the month of July as I felt her 'coolness' needed to be captured in a brooch too!
In this interview, Michelle and I also chatted about-
- If Michelle was not a lawyer she would have been Amish with wifi!
- Michelle's mother was a teacher and her father was a diesel mechanic which took them all around the country in her childhood.
- Growing up, Michelle was creative with an interest in the performing arts but was also very academic. This theme seems to have continued into her career.
- Michelle started her career as a school teacher and how this led to her 'accidentally' enrolling in the law.
- Not that her hands weren't already full after having 2 children, she decided that she should study law 'just because', finishing her 6-year legal studies in just 4 years.
- She didn't plan on becoming a lawyer and Michelle shared how that came to be after a chance meeting.
- Michelle explains 'Creatures of Place' and the asbestos cases she worked on in her first few years of law.
- In the early 2000s, Michelle started her blog, 'A Vision Splendid'- she was a blogger before that was even a thing and has some funny stories to share here!
- As a result of her blog, Michelle started to write books, publish articles all while actively living a 1930's lifestyle.
- Michelle then moved on to a myriad of projects - TAFE legal teaching, instructional design, accessible education all of which eventually led to her opening her own legal firm.
- The chambers model which Michelle started with a colleague and the application for rural firms.
- Now, Michelle has two law firms that run on a 'digital vs 'analogue model and the advantages of both.
- Regional law firms are the hidden gems of the industry.
- Life balance vs work-life integration.
- The process of working through life challenges give you resilience.
- Michelle's analysis of joy.
- Presence, the cult of busyness focusing on the now and slowing it down.
- Michelle's perspective on law in the current times.
- Michelle's foundational habit morning routine and why we all need one.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Michelle Snape.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
It has been almost 5 years since I kicked off this podcast and over those years I have met some really remarkable lawyers and something I am often asked is 'where are they now!' This week I decided to answer that question with 3 of my earliest guests on this show- Janelle Kerrisk, Mel Storey-Scott and Dugald Hamilton.
I interviewed Mel back in 2016 when she was working our at the Brisbane Airport. She now works in-house for a global technology company. She says, 'The difference is like a cruise ship vs a jet ski!'. On a personal level, in our last interview, Mel was just about to enter into her first (and only) bodybuilding competition. She ended up in the top 6 however, the toll on her body sent her into a depression. She says, 'I wasn't a very happy lawyer after we last spoke, but I learnt a lot about my discipline, boundaries and what I wasn't willing to put myself through.'
The last time we spoke in episode 82, Dugald was only a year into the 23Legal journey. So, now that we are a few years down the line Dugald, along with growing his firm, has become involved in the legal hackathon and shares his passion for risk management, technology, cybersecurity, disputes and mental health. He is growing his firm and says 'I'm playing around with a lot of automation and some projects which will be disclosed soon!'
When we spoke on episode 14 with Janelle she had 1-year-old twin boys (who are now in grade one) and had just started Helix. 'I would say I'm considerably more tired now, but my enthusiasm levels are still there and I still believe in doing law differently' says Janelle. She has kicked some amazing goals including running an international arbitration, building a 3 city law firm and setting up online products just to name a few. She has also managed to scale while maintaining a niche market. Janelle says, 'I do feel like I am working towards a meaningful purpose and it has been really beautiful to have that in my life over the last 5 years. '
These 3 lawyers are 3 of my favourites- they are all leaders and always have an interesting perspective on things so I decided they were the perfect bunch to bring together to tackle some of the big issues in our profession at the moment- mental health, the impact of COVID19 and workplace harassment and bullying. These are big topics but these 3 have so much to say that we can all learn from.
So, what is going well in this COVID climate we are experiencing? Well, Janelle has noticed an awakening through COVID in the legal sector which has proven that change is possible in the law. When Covid hit, Dugald was fortunate enough to hire a new staff member who had been let go from a large firm, who as a result has been able to learn about micro-firms and increase his knowledge base as he assists Dugald at 23Legal. 'From the general legal population, we are starting to see lawyers re-evaluate their career paths. They are starting to question the long hours and are starting to value their home life more'. Mel added, 'I also feel like the walls just came down. When everyone was home we saw the full human experience and I don't think we realise how valuable that was.'
In contrast, there are always things that don't go so well. Dugald shares a funny story about 'Dropbox' and the long way to go we have law-land when it comes to embracing change. 'The mental health aspect of COVID and the way in which it is portrayed is becoming a massive issue' says Dugald. Mel says, 'I think we are having a 'me too' moment in the legal profession, in that we are starting to uncover what we knew was actually going on. It is disturbing, but it is ultimately for the better, although it may be uncomfortable.' We then dive deep into a conversation around the responsibility of law firms and the generational changes we have seen as the law catches up to the expectations of society within this space.
All of this change in the law has led to a positive uptake in expectations. 'There is a new generation of lawyers who are willing to stand up and have a voice' says Janelle. 'The clients are also expecting better lawyers and better practices within our firms' says Dugald. There are so many more young women who are coming through law and the definition of success has also shifted within the industry. 'At some point, the gold stars are not enough. There is no meaning' says Mel. Students are starting to see that there are different pathways into the law and the re-framing of conversations that are required in Educational Institutions. There is no right way to do the law and the pathways are opening up drastically.
'The very first conversations I heard around the value of happiness in the law came from you (Clarissa) and I realised it was ok for me to want to be happy' shares Janelle 'Now I base a lot of my law-land existence around that concept.' The science of happiness proves it leads to a longer life, better decision making, calmer people, it is contagious. Clarissa says, 'When we think about what you want for our kids want in life - its happiness. We need to value that ourselves if we want that for the people closest to us in life.' Happiness also makes you a better lawyer! 'The selling point to law firms is - Happiness Pays' says Dugald and goes on to explain this concept. 'When we talk about diversity, it is about the diversity of thought, experience and patterns which leads to growth' says Mel.
We switch topics to client-centric law firms, innovation and if they can be combined in legal practice. The answer - yes! 'When we think about innovation we are thinking about adding value, and it's not just tech-led solutions' says Mel, 'we need to think about the client, come from a place of empathy and ask how we can add value.' Clarissa then brought out a bedazzled tissue box, which led to a conversation around comfort and safety for a client. 'This is where technology, innovation and even a tissue-box can bring people back to a level where they can make comprehensive decisions about their future' says Dugald.
Finally, we are lucky enough to get three happiness tips. 'Have conversations' says Janelle 'listen to people outside of your box, reach out and make the decisions that are right for you.' 'The biggest thing I have learnt is to be kind to yourself. You've got to be led from a place of love for yourself and give yourself some slack- you're doing an awesome job' says Mel. Dugald rounds up by saying, 'Be you. If you are not authentically who you are, you will never be happy.'
Episode 5 with Mel Storey-Scott
Episode 14 with Janelle Kerrisk
Episode 82 with Dugald Hamilton
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In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing criminal lawyer Jenna Du Preez. Jenna is practicing from the North Queensland town of Mackay and in this interview we discussed the many advantages that Jenna has encountered since establishing her firm in that region. Jenna launched her own business at the beginning of 2020, just before everything turned upside down, so it was really fascinating to hear how Jenna navigated her very new business through those early months of lockdown when Courts were not hearing matters and things were at a bit of a standstill.
When she is not being a lawyer, Jenna is hanging out with her 2 beautiful daughters and family. I had a good chuckle hearing how fishing is not at all on Jenna's list of things to do even though it is a hobby for many in her local area! And I think my favourite part of this interview was hearing how Jenna has built herself a business in law that enables her the best of both worlds- the ability to do the work she really enjoys but in a way that enables her to be with her family in the way she wants to be.
In this interview, Jenna Du Preez and I also chatted about-
- Jenna cannot imagine herself as anything but a lawyer, except for perhaps a chef.
- She grew up west of Mackay in sunny Northern Queensland and moved to Brisbane to attend Griffith University where she fell right into the city life.
- The drawcard to law for Jenna and how she came to find herself in the world of Criminal Law and found her way back to Mackay.
- Jenna's time working for probation and parole which, sparked her interest in the psychology behind criminal offences.
- After working in the criminal defence space she had her two children and sought balance in her legal career.
- Jenna opened her own firm 'Valiant Lawyers' right at the end of 2019, just before the COVID lockdowns.
- The human psychology that sits behind behaviours and Jenna's perspective on defending criminals.
- The aspects of Criminal law that Jenna enjoys and, what keeps her passion going in this difficult field.
- We discuss the Domestic Violence space and the changes we have seen over the recent past and, the changes that still need to be made.
- Jenna shares what she loves about working for herself as a solopreneur.
- The gifts that 2020 gave us in the legal space and the change in perspective towards working from home.
- A day in the life of Jenna as a working mother of 2 and a reluctant fisherwoman.
- The culture of overwork and the law and managing those self expectations.
- Jenna's advice top tips for those considering stepping out and starting their own business.
- Criminal Law has only recently become a more female-driven landscape and Jenna's experience of harassment in this space.
- Jenna is a living, breathing example of the change that is possible for women in the legal industry and the opportunities that are now accepted by the broader profession.
- Humour, play and fun and their contribution to happiness as a lawyer.
- Jenna's Happiness Tips.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Jenna Du Preez.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing my good friend Fiona McLay. Fiona and I crossed paths a few years ago now and she is someone I have learned so much from because she is my go to #legaltechguru! She is the person that just knows what tech is around and what might work for firms of all shapes and sizes and this passion for legal technology has fast become a business for Fiona.
Fiona is a commercial litigator by trade- a role she has learned so much from having had the chance to work in law firms from the very large to the very small. It is this cross section of experience across our profession that has really helped her when it comes to her tech business too. Fiona is another quiet achiever in law and when she is not off 'lawyering' she loves creative endeavors- from film school to watercolour and photography.
Fiona and I spent the weekend together last weekend at our quarterly business Mastermind so I have had the advantage of seeing in live time the great ideas she has to help us all with our tech for the future and I took this chance to pin her down to her favourite tools for us all to consider!
Fiona and I also chatted about-
- If Fiona was not a lawyer she would have been a journalist as she loves uncovering people's stories.
- Fiona grew up in Sydney but moved last year to Melbourne (right before the lockdown eek!).
- Fiona's mum was a solicitor and Fiona shares the generational differences and similarities between the law now and then.
- Starting her studies in accounting, Fiona's favourite subject was law so she made the switch and shares her experience of studying.
- Fiona received a summer clerkship and a graduate position in medical malpractice litigation.
- A day in the life of a litigation lawyer.
- The impact of your working team environment and Fiona's observations from contrasting law firms.
- Fiona's approach to life outside of the law, and how that resulted in enrolling in a film course.
- During her time as a litigation lawyer, Fiona came to see the value in tech and how it could be used to enable her to improve her work processes.
- Fixed value pricing and the patience required to change process.
- Finding a business coach, along with 'The Club' gave Fiona answers she was looking for on how to build her business - her way.
- With the right tech behind her, Fiona stepped out into the world of freelance litigation and started her Masters at the College of Law looking at the Business of law.
- Off the back of her learnings, Fiona started her side-hustle, highlighting tech tools to help lawyers grow their respective businesses.
- Crunch, Bundle Docs and other Apps that Fiona loves.
- So, which Practice Management Software should we use? Fiona says, 'That is the wrong question - Ask what do you want the software to do for you.'
- Fiona gives us her top tips for refining your list of requirements to find a practice management solution that works for your business.
- Outside of work, Fiona has taken up watercolour sketching and finds the irregularity of it a good contrast to her legal work.
- The future for Fiona and what we can expect from her this year.
- Change management and how to bring in new projects and systems to your team.
- Fiona's favourite tools: Syntheia, FamilyProperty, Microsoft teams planner integration, Insights for Office 365.
- AI integrated coaches and Fiona's perspective on how the law should be approaching AI.
- Fiona has found her Tribe in The Club, and she shares why this is so critical.
- Knowing your wellness warning signs are and preparing your first aid kit with tools to help you lift yourself up.
- Women who are leaving law firms and where they are going and why that may not be the big problem it is sometimes pitched as.
- Fiona's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Fiona McLay.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing solicitor Michele Davis. I have come to know Michele this past few years through her work as a lawyer of course but also as a writer, teacher and advocate. I would describe Michele as a one of a kind 'law nerd'! She has the perfect mix of a deep love of an understanding of her speciality coupled with a kind hearted soul that makes her a pretty unique find in #lawland.
What I didn't know about Michele is that her path to her law career was anything but predictable. Having left High School in Grade 12 after a difficult experience with bullying I suspect 17 year old Michele could never have predicted where her life would take her. Fast forward a few years and she returned to TAFE to complete her Grade 11 and 12 studies before commencing university while holding down a full time job. Michele fell into a role in wills and estates early in her career and has not looked back since.
The past 12 months have thrown Michele a series of curve balls, the most significant of which has been a chronic health condition that has meant she has once again had to pivot her career path. But as is so often the case, these challenges tend to mean new opportunities and I suspect it is Michele's 'roll with the punches' approach to life that means she just keeps finding those wins even when things are upside down.
In this interview, Michele and I also chatted about-
- If Michele was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher as she has a love for sharing information and helping others learn.
- You have to be creative to be able to problem-solve.
- Michele was born in Sydney but has lived in Brisbane most of her life.
- Michele took an untraditional path to the law as she was bullied in high school and left at a young age.
- Following school, she worked full-time in a pharmacy while she put herself through study.
- Michele was admitted in 2011 and fell in love with Wills and Estates.
- She has always had an interest in the theory of law and defines herself as a 'law nerd'.
- Her path to law has given Michele the life experience to be able to connect with others on a deeper level.
- Michele's experience of bullying in high school and her decision to choose herself rather than her education.
- School is different to real life, as is the theory of law vs the practice of law.
- In 2004, Michele was the first hire in a brand new law firm in conveyancing and, as she says, 'if you can handle conveyancing you can handle anything.'
- Michele fell into wills and estates law which she says gives her the perfect balance of human connection and depth in theory and problem-solving.
- Why Michele will never stop learning.
- Michele has recently discovered she has a chronic connected-tissue disorder and the impact this has had on her life.
- After being offered a scholarship to do her PhD, Michele's health took a down-turn and she had to let this opportunity go.
- As a result, she started her own legal practice while also being offered a role at the College of Law as the Practice Area Leader in Wills and Estates.
- Michele's process for getting over the hurdles that life throws and, the way she re-joins a path.
- 'Your career is like a jungle-gym, not a ladder'- Ann-Maree David.
- The decision to start her law firm, 'Michele Davis Estate Law' and her approach to providing legal services to her clients, while balancing her heath.
- Michele's creative passion appears in different ways - website design, writing, lecturing, products, courses and blogging.
- Words are so powerful and as Michele writes, in any context, she leads with kindness.
- Lawyer wellness and Michele's perspective on the changes we have seen in this space.
- Human connection in contrast with the law and the risk factor associated with it - Paralysis by analysis.
- Michele's approach to social commentary online and responding to negativity.
- Mentorship and Michele's advocacy for young lawyers to create connections.
- The future for Michele as she navigates life and the law.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Michele Davis.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful John Chisholm. John aptly describes himself these days as a 'recovering lawyer' but I soon came to learn that his passion for the profession is deeply ingrained. John is a third generation lawyer, and you might say followed a family legacy that has been built across 60 years and started with John's Grandfather at the firm Maddocks. It is clear that John has achieved incredible success in his career in law- from Articled Clerk to Managing Partner at one of the country's largest firms but it was John's definition of and perspective on the concept of success that had me intrigued in this conversation.
John left private practice in 2004 and since that time has been consulting to firms all around the world and is a leader in law firm innovation. John's passion for abolishing the billable hour, rethinking the markers of success in law businesses and building a sustainable future for lawyers has driven his career this past decade and I can personally say his influence on so many of us who are following in his footsteps will mean that his legacy will live for many decades to come.
And I would call John a happy lawyer- even if it hasn't always been that way- and I suspect is has been his wife, family and health that keep him that way.
In this interview, John and I also chatted about-
- If John was not a lawyer he would have been an artist.
- Creativity, the law and the benefits creative activities have on our mental wellbeing.
- John grew up in Victoria, as the eldest of 4 boys, with a father who was a second-generation lawyer.
- John's journey into law and how becoming an articled clerk in his father's firm influenced his career.
- Law firm Maddocks in the 1970s, and how it has changed over the past 40 years.
- John shares his broader definition of success in the law.
- John's experience of the technological changes on the legal profession across his career.
- The drivers of change in law and how busyness and technological changes have impacted the wellbeing of lawyers.
- Gender and opportunities previously held in the law and the barriers which have been broken.
- Multi-disciplinary law and our client's perspective of the profession.
- The role of non-lawyers in law firms.
- The highlights of John's 9 years as a managing partner at Maddocks at the beginning of his career.
- John describes himself as a 'recovering lawyer' and his choice to step away in 2005 to find clarity in life.
- How John fell into the world of consulting and why he made this shift within the legal space.
- Value pricing and John's passion for this style of billing and how it led into his full-time career.
- A whole of business shift is required to move away from the billable hour.
- Profitability and the perception of profit and success.
- John's mentors and their influence on how John saw success as a lawyer and a person.
- The benchmark of success, comparisons and competition between legal firms.
- John's tips for lawyers stepping into the law and how to find fulfilment in their careers.
- To be a great lawyer you need to enjoy life and John shares his life outside the law.
- The positive life changes that COVID has had on John's life, (and mine!).
- John share the importance of boundaries.
- And finally, John refers us to Ralph Waldo Emerson's definition of success: "To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; … to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child or a garden patch … to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is success.”
Sit back and enjoy this interview with John Chisholm.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Patric McCallum.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Paul Holmes.
This week I went across the oceans for Happy Lawyer Happy Life the international addition and had the chance to catch up with a wonderful colleague and friend Rajan Chettiar. Rajan is a fellow collaborative family lawyer who practices out of Singapore. Our paths crossed a few years ago thanks to our mutual involvement in the International Academy of Collaborative Professionals and I have been so grateful for social media for enabling us to keep in touch ever since.
Rajan began his career in law in a large firm in Singapore practicing in banking litigation but a few years in, he found himself in a place many of us can relate to- feeling pretty burned out and questioning whether life in the law was for him. He embarked upon a 4 week trip around India (aka Eat, Pray, Love) and returned with the idea to start his own family law firm and hasn't looked back since! I have come to know Rajan as a talented Collaborative Lawyer, a wonderful leader and a kind and empathetic professional. In this interview he shared much wise advice on building a fulfilling career in law and ensuring we all find time for 'life' too.
In this interview, Rajan and I also chatted about-
- If Rajan was not a lawyer he would have been a social worker. He has a passion for helping others which he first learned of when volunteering at age 14.
- Rajan grew up in Singapore and gives us a snapshot of his upbringing and the multicultural aspects of life in Singapore.
- Singapore is a beautiful country and Rajan describes it as an 'international food paradise'.
- How Rajan found his way to a career in law.
- Rajan studied law in both the UK and Singapore and shares his experiences studying across two quite different countries.
- These days Rajan is an avid cook which he first learned during his time in the UK.
- Finishing up his studies in the UK Rajan came home to Singapore to sit his bar exam and then worked in a large law firm for 6 years.
- Although Rajan always had aspirations to help others, his first 6 years in lawland were in banking litigation something he enjoyed but that fast led to burnout.
- Rajan explains that banking litigation was a good foundation for becoming a lawyer as it taught him ethics, hard work and how to be a good lawyer.
- The hours Rajan worked in his early years were taxing and brought him to the edge of burn-out. He took a leave of absence and embarked upon a 4 week trip to India. He and I both chuckled at the similarity of this trip with parts of the popular Elizabeth Gilbert 'Eat Pray Love'.
- While in India, upon reflection, Rajan decided to go back to his core calling - family law. He returned home and set up his own firm.
- The leadership aspect of owning your own business and managing personalities and emotions in the office.
- The importance of the support of Rajan's wife in building his business.
- Hearing the term ' Collaborative Law' for the first time and Rajan's love for the non-adversarial approach to separation.
- In 2012 Rajan undertook training in Collaborative Practice from a lawyer here in Melbourne and he was able to take his learnings back and kickstart Collaborative Practice in Singapore.
- The benefits of the collaborative approach.
- The importance of relationships, a sense of community and their impact on our daily happiness.
- 'Relationships are at the core of the work that we do - it's really important - for ourselves and the people we work with.'
- Rajan's tips for managing the stress as a family lawyer and business owner.
- After two burnouts, Rajan learnt the value of self-care and now needs time alone to recharge.
- The shift in the conversation around mental health in Singapore.
- Rajan's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Rajan Chettiar.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing personal injury lawyer and weekend mountaineer Jason Monro. Ok, so mountaineer might be a slight exaggeration but there is no doubt that Jason’s happiness in his day job as a lawyer is well connected to his love of hiking on the weekends. It hasn’t always been that way and in this interview Jason shared with me how he has really shifted his focus to ensure that health is a a priority.
Jason has had a fascinating career- starting in the Army, then the Police and now of course as a lawyer. Jason has spent most of his career as a personal injury lawyer and it is an area of the law that he is clearly passionate about and I suspect excels in. Working for the successful national practice, Slater and Gordon, Jason shared with me the successful way his firm has navigated the challenges of the last 12 months and it was really interesting for me, the owner of a small firm, to understand the logistics of navigating a multi-office national practice through the restrictions imposed during this pandemic.
Jason is another great example of why there are so many different paths both into law and during our careers that lead to success.
In this interview, Jason and I also chatted about-
- If Jason was not a lawyer he would have been (and was) in the army reserves and a police officer.
- Born in Papua New Guinea, Jason moved to Brisbane when he was seven.
- After graduating high school and joining the Army Reserves, Jason moved to Cairns for his first year posting as a police officer.
- Jason made a switch to study law during his posting as he found he really enjoyed working in police prosecution.
- After his studies at JCU, he started a 5 year articles at a law firm working between criminal law and personal injury law.
- The crossover between personal injury law and medicine and the level of knowledge needed to successfully advocate for clients.
- Jason loves the methodical nature of personal injury law and now works at the Northlakes Slater and Gordon branch.
- The working environment at Slater and Gordon and the changes he saw during the lockdowns of 2020.
- Jason is a trained mental health first aid officer and shares how he supports his staff.
- The efficiencies that have come from court phone and video appearances, as well as time saved in travel.
- Jason’s perspective on mental health in the legal profession, both during Covid and over the past years.
- Jason’s own mental health and wellbeing as a result of his lifestyle changes.
- The all-consuming nature of law and the impact of exercise and good health can have on our careers.
- Jason’s tips for managing the stresses of working as a lawyer.
- In Jason’s experience, there are so many different roads to law and the life experience we gain along the way are essential for connecting with clients.
- No learning is wasted – it is all essential to growth and passion.
- Jason’s tips for new lawyers coming into law-land.
- Jason’s happiness tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Jason Monro.
This week I went across the oceans again for Happy Lawyer Happy Life the international edition and had the chance to speak with one really wonderful woman lawyer, Iffy Ibekwe. Iffy describes herself as an entrepreneur who just happens to practice law and I can see from our chat that this really is true. Her love of entrepreneurship began with a baking store and has fast moved into her innovative wills and estates practice.
This conversation has it all- motherhood, happiness, mindset, taking chances- all the stuff I love to hear and more. Iffy has such passion and energy for life and it is contagious. A mother to 4 young children I so enjoyed picking her brain on how she does it all. Iffy describes her approach to life as being 'palms up, palms open' and I have taken that to mean taking the opportunities as they come and giving things a go, even when you are not sure what it might mean. I am hoping I might entice Iffy to Australia post Corona madness as I sense she would be such good fun to hang out with!
In this interview, Iffy and I also chatted about-
- If Iffy was not a lawyer she would be an entrepreneur who just happens to practice law (which, incidentally she is!)
- In 2011 Iffy opened up 'Iffy's sweets and treats', a home bakery, which was the start of her entrepreneurial adventure.
- A child of an ex-pat, Iffy was born in Nigeria and moved around the world a lot in her early years where she finally settled in Texas, USA at age 11.
- Iffy's upbringing was multi-cultural heaven and gave her a good foundation for her future.
- Not defined by her job as a lawyer Iffy has a 'Palms up and palms open' approach to life.
- How studying medicine, the economy, 9/11 and a turn in the market, and some wise words from her brother led Iffy to pursue the law.
- Iffy's approach to goal setting and how this has changed as she has gotten older.
- Creativity, the law and choosing to find contentment in all you do.
- Iffy describes the Bar exam as 'like Survivor - it's a 15 hour 3-day hell show'
- The comparisons of law in the US and Austrlia, and the practical elements missing from education.
- Only 5% of lawyers in America are black and the inherent bias' built into the law.
- Iffy's first role in the law was as an education law clerk and quickly realising this area was not for her.
- Time-based billing and the problems Iffy sees with this system.
- Her time working for a Teachers Union, and how this role showed her that you can be helpful and a lawyer.
- Iffy was asked if she completed Wills - she said yes - and that's how she got into Wills and Estate planning. She says 'I was presented an opportunity, palms up and open, and I took it'.
- Setting up her practice with the goal to help regular people do up an Estate Plan and pass on intergenerational wealth, with someone who relates to them.
- Iffy aims to activate women and help them set up their wills and trusts and normalise estate planning all to protect their health, decisions and finances.
- Iffy is intentional about the language she uses with her clients and has created a client-centred service.
- Iffy is a mother of 4 and shares her experience of lockdown.
- Community and support from others is a part of growth.
- Finding ways to be content despite the circumstances.
- Iffy's concept of exercising the right to change your mind, as a woman, is what helps us grow.
- Iffy's tips for innovation so we don't become entrenched in the past.
- Iffy's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Iffy Ibekwe.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the Honourable Colin Forrest. Colin has had a fascinating career in the law and just this last week has completed 10 years of service as a Judge in the Family Court and started the next chapter of his law life. I have had the privilege of knowing Colin for my 20 years in law and he is someone who I like to describe as the 'poster child of happy lawyering!' Colin's career has taken him from his first role as an Associate to the wonderful Michael Kirby in the NSW Court of Appeal to achieving Silk, to life as a Judge and now life as a mediator and Arbitrator.
And while Colin's achievements in law are something else, it is the way he has approached his life- his optimism and enthusiasm for so much, his endless efforts for causes and his kindness and compassion for others that I have come to know him for. It is this that makes him 'the poster child of happy lawyers'! (And the fact he managed to fit in 3 gap years during his University studies- that surely makes for a happy law student anyway!)
So as we kick off a new year of happy lawyer podcasts I couldn't think of a better guest to bring in 2021. My favourite tip from this interview- 'You only live once so take as many gap years as you can!'
In this interview, Colin and I also chatted about-
- If Colin was not a lawyer he would have been a PE teacher- or perhaps in the world of theatre and maybe even politics.
- Colin grew up in Tamworth and never left the city until he finished High School when he moved to Düsseldorf, Germany for his first gap year.
- Colin's aspirations to study law and become a barrister as a part of the first generation in his family to go to Uni.
- Attending Sydney University, his competitive streak and some stories from his life-long friendships formed in the early years of his career.
- Halfway through his degree, Colin took another gap year where he lived in Japan for a year- and my favourite piece here- had a job singing Karaoke!
- In his first year of law, Colin received an Associateship with the incredible Michael Kirby AC CMG and shares his memories of the interview that landed him the job.
- His first job as a solicitor and what attracted him to family law.
- The flurry of colleagues Colin has worked with and why he so deeply values relationships.
- The early stages of Colin's career during Expo 88 as a newly married home owner.
- In 1990 Colin joined Level 19 Inns of Court where he spent 20 years as a Barrister focusing on Family Law.
- The aspects of advocacy Colin enjoys including the competitive aspect and mental challenges.
- Colin now has beautiful adult children and shares his top tips for working out the 'work/life balance.'
- 2010 was a big year for Colin, he turned 50, ran his first marathon and was appointed Silk and soon thereafter a Judge.
- The changes (and reasons for the changes) in the Family Court system over the last 10 years.
- A Judge's perspective (and opinion) on the differing levels of the Courts, and his 'magic wand wish' for the Family Courts in Australia.
- Colin's great career pivot of 2021, as he re-joins the force of barristers in Brisbane. (or is it Arbitration?)
- Colin's top tips for building a happy content career in the law.
- Colin's Happiness Tip!
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Justice Colin Forrest.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing a wonderful lawyer from all the way over the other side of the world, Toya Gavin. I interviewed Toya in the week before this year's US Presidential election so it sure was an interesting time to be talking and I concluded mid-interview that Toya needs to throw her had in the political ring for the future. Toya is one smart, articulate and thoughtful person and someone I learned so much from in just this hour.
Toya is of course a lawyer and has a background working in New York in criminal law. Life in #lawland has not always been easy for Toya and she shared openly with me the impact of many years of hard work culminating in a significant health event that left her managing depression and anxiety. As is so often the case though, that very difficult period in Toya's professional life has led to her finding a new string to her career bow and these days she runs a successful online legal practice while also operating a coaching and consulting business, Legally Bold.
This is the perfect interview to see out 2020- it has something for everyone and my podcast silver lining for 2020 has been the chance to move some of these interviews online and connect worldwide with a bunch of amazing legal professionals!
Thank you for your continued support during the very strange year that has been 2020! I am taking a short Podcast break and will be back on the airwaves in February 2021. Have a wonderful Christmas Break and I wish you all the best for the New Year.
In this interview, Toya and I also chatted about-
- Toya joined us all the way from Washington DC and we discuss this beautiful city.
- If Toya was not a lawyer she would have been an entrepreneur, which she is now her side-hustle!
- Growing up in New Jersey, about 20 minutes outside of New York City.
- The Black Lives Matter Movement and the impact of living in a country built on slavery.
- Righting injustice and removing the barriers of generational prejudice.
- Entrepreneurs and Toya's tips for how to make a change in the world.
- Changing the little things is what makes for the compounding difference.
- The truth brings light to everything and I vote 'Toya for President'.
- Toya completed an engineering undergrad before the social rights aspect of the law drew Toya to study at George Washington Law School.
- The differences between engineering and law school, not only in practice but in the thinking process.
- Toya explains she completed her undergrad of 4 years, and then 3 years of law school ending in a six-figure education bill.
- The differences between Individual Rights and the Collective Rights of our different nations.
- After leaving law school Toya took the bar exam and started working for the City of New York.
- Her time working as a prosecutor on criminal cases with the likes of Judge Victoria Pratt, who brought in the concept for a community court in New York.
- As a criminal lawyer, you meet people in their worst moments and Toya's time working in the Domestic Violence Court.
- Several years after Toya started her own practice in New Jersey she had a breakdown and moved to Washington to be with her sister and 3 children.
- Toya intentionally took a break and found spending time with children eased her depression and anxiety.
- We discuss the legal field and the impact it can have on your mental health. If you're not anxious you're not lawyering- apparently.
- The reason for the culture of overwork, alcoholism and contempt between lawyers, all of which create psychological ill-health in law-land.
- Toya's tips for managing your mental health being sleep and exercise!
- Seeing the disconnect between law and our personal lives Toya moved into the coaching space to challenge some of this thinking.
- 'Legally Bold' and the coaching work Toya has moved into and how she challenges people to question what they want for their lives.
- Navigating the pandemic, discrimination and personal growth all with courage.
- Toya's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Toya Gavin.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Paul Cott- a Melbournian through and through who has found his 'other home' in sunny Ballarat! I learned a lot in this chat about life in Victoria- particularly through the ups and downs of 2020- ands as you listen, I suspect you will soon find yourself in love with the location as much as Paul clearly is.
It is Paul's passion for living a purposeful life that really shines through in this interview. Through a series of considered decisions, Paul has built a career in the law that certainly enables him to have the life that matters to him. It is in this piece that I think we can all learn a lot from Paul.
Paul's decision to study and practice law came 'later in life' as they say but it is a decision he continues to be grateful for. These days he runs a smart boutique practice from his home town, primarily working in employment and commercial law for members of his local community. He has found that magical 'balance' between work life and life and I sense it is his mindset that has been the key here.
In this interview, Paul and I also chatted about-
- If Paul was not a lawyer he would have been a landscape gardener as he shares his passion for his own garden.
- Paul grew up in Melbourne at the foothills of the Dandenong Ranges and shares some of his fondest childhood memories.
- Paul started off working in a bank, but after a number of years made a career shift into Law.
- His decision to follow the law was driven by the intellectual challenge it brought, along with a chance to help people.
- Graduating at age 34, Paul's first job was as an Article Clerk as a commercial lawyer. We discussed the challenges of getting that first foot in the door.
- Paul's experience of starting as a 'lawyer' but feeling totally out of his depth in terms of knowledge. The application of law vs the study of law.
- The true love story of Paul meeting his now wife Kathy and how, 2 weeks after meeting her, he moved to Ballarat.
- While living in Ballarat, Paul was commuting to Melbourne- a 3 hour round trip.
- The story of how a client, who resided in Ballarat, pushed Paul to start his own law firm locally.
- 'Law on Lydiard' was born and Paul shares the highs and highs of owning his own law firm since opening just under 3 years ago.
- His focus is employment law, domestic building disputes, wills and estates and commercial litigation, however, most of his work is focused on dispute work.
- Paul has an obvious passion for the work he does, and although he refers to it as an 'easier' area of law, he still finds challenges in his daily work.
- A day in the life of Paul Cott the business owner.
- Pauls tips for maintaining balance as a business owner, and taking off the lawyer hat when you go home.
- We discuss re-thinking what success looks like and the number of hours lawyers traditionally work.
- The joy in saying 'no' when you are your own boss and only working with clients who bring joy.
- Pauls advice to his 20-year-old self.
- Technological advances in business' and the essential impact of human connection.
- Defining himself as a content lawyer he gives his advice to others who may not be as content in the law.
- Pauls's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Paul Cott.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the powerhouse that is Midja Fisher. Now she had me laughing from the moment we began as when I asked what she would be if she wasn't a lawyer we were soon talking about being Reality TV stars and the fun only kept coming from there. Midja has been in #lawland her whole career but you might say she has had anything but a traditional path and in many ways not too many traditional roles which is what makes this conversation so interesting. These days Midja works as a consultant to firms all over the Country on leadership and culture and it won't surprise you that we had a whole lot of fun sharing our ideas of how our profession could change for the better!
In this interview, Midja and I also chatted about-
- If Midja was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher or a reality TV star and shares why she has a passion for drama.
- Midja comes from a family of three generations of coal miners and gives us a snapshot into her childhood growing up in Ipswich surrounded by family on all sides.
- Midja's decision to study Law and IT in Brisbane.
Her induction training with Price Waterhouse Coopers in Tampa Florida, and her learnings now that she hosts inductions as a speaker. - Leadership in business and the work it takes to lead a successful team.
- More than half of Midja's mentoring clients are lawyers how she helps lawyers to find their passion, self-love and self-belief.
- What 'doing law differently' means creating space and supporting staff so they can all make their magic.
- Midja talks about holding things loosely and seeing the opportunity in all areas of peoples roles in business.
- Following her time in Florida, she moved to Sydney with PWC before returning to Qld.
- From there, Midja worked for many years at Shine running their courses and training where she totally fell in love with the work she got to do.
- Midja worked for Shine for 19 years where she found her passion for leadership, team building and coaching.
- Writing leadership programs and helping others to grow into their own magic.
- Her decision to make a change and step out on her own in 2016, which came from a desire to create something for herself.
- Her books, "Unshakable Confidence", "Great lawyer to great leader" and, launching next month "Take off the Cape - from superhero to super coach."
- Midja's opinion on what we are doing well in the law. And, if she had a magic wand to change law land she would challenge us to step up and become stronger leaders.
- Midja explains her coaching process of creating purpose, passion and play in our careers.
- We discuss the role of a business coach, along with the stigma attached to getting 'help' in Australia.
- Energy is contagious, both positively and negatively.
- Midja helps people find their magic and be present in their daily lives so they can get the most joy out of their lives.
- Midja's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Midja Fisher.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law.
This week I got to go 'international' and chat with a wonderful lawyer in Rho Thomas. Rho is all the way over in the USA where she practices primarily in trademark law. We did talk law and particularly Rho's life in 2020- managing her role in a large law firm in the city of Atlanta, Georgia. Rho and I recorded this interview a few weeks ago and it sure is an interesting time to be talking about life in the USA versus life in Australia. Given the current challenges as a result of the pandemic, Rho has been working from home, juggling her job around caring for her two young children since April this year which as I am sure we can all imagine, is no easy thing.
I loved the chance to speak with Rho and learn more about the similarities and differences in our experiences in law. When she is not busy being a lawyer, mum and everything else, Rho also runs a great podcast exploring all things finance for lawyers called Wealthyesque. Something that became really apparent to me in this conversation is the significant benefit we have in Australia through our HECS education system- the difference in the cost of becoming a lawyer for Rho as compared with my experience is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Rho's own experience of student debt and the impact it has had on her family and her colleagues has led to her 'side hustle' helping other legal professionals in the USA make better money decisions to ultimately lead better lives.
There is a whole lot in this chat and Rho is a wonderful guest- full of stories that will make you laugh and honesty that will also get you thinking.
In this interview, Rho Thomas and I also chatted about-
- If Rho was not a lawyer she would have been a financial coach.
- Paying off student loans and the impact of the cost of education in America on new lawyers.
- Finding ways early in your business and career to manage money.
- The common money problems Rho sees when coaching lawyers.
- Life growing up in Atlanta and Georgia and the path that led Rho to the law.
- Being a type A personality, Rho wanted to become a lawyer since she was 8 years old.
- The United States College System, which is a total 7 years to become a lawyer, and Rho's College experience.
- The Bar exam, which lasted over 2 days with hundreds of people.
- The training structure for young lawyers in the USA.
- How a red sole shoe brought Rho to her first role as a trademark lawyer.
- Rho's tips for managing your work day and a family.
- Giving yourself permission to create space for you.
- Seeking help for challenges and the advantages Rho experienced in her therapy sessions.
- Rho's perspective on technology and the impact of Social Media.
- A snapshot of Rho's 2020, and the significant impact of the pandemic on her daily life.
- Rho's predictions for the impact of COVID on Law Land in America.
- Rho defines herself as a happy human and contributes this to taking time for herself and setting boundaries.
- Rho's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Rho Thomas.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing one wonderful lawyer, Bridget Cullen. I fell upon Bridget last year when she was awarded the Leneen Forde AC WLAQ Woman Lawyer of the Year Award and delivered a speech that was quite something! I heard that speech and new I needed to get Bridget on this show and a year later here we are!
Bridget has had a really interesting career in law- from private practice to the Bar, to Academia and now as a Member of the AAT. Life has not been smooth sailing for Bridget and it is her outlook and her suggestions around perspective and relationships that I really enjoyed in this interview. I knew last year when I first heard Bridget speak that she was one great woman and this interview just confirmed it for me!
In this interview, Bridget and I also chatted about-
- Bridget has always wanted to be a lawyer and loves the law.
- Bridget grew up in Minnesota USA, and shares how romance led her to migrating to Australia.
- She always had a desire to have a professional career and made the choice to follow law during her College education in the US.
- Comparing life as a lawyer in Australia vs the US.
- Bridget needed to start over in her legal career and completed an associate clerkship in Australia.
- In December 1998, Bridget started a position at Griffith University in Brisbane, and finally became a permanent resident.
- The process of migrating to Australia in the late 1990s.
- The impact and the differences between the health care system (among other things) in Australia.
- Bridget has always been at Griffith University in either a study or teaching capacity since arriving in Australia and the joy these roles bring her.
- Bridget's husband Andrew, is also a lawyer and the advantage of him 'understanding the language'.
- Andrew and Bridget's relationship dynamic as they raise a blended family together.
- Family life in the Cullen household which consists of 8 children.
- The impact of Bridget's son's disability and how her other children help in the day-to-day.
- 2019 Leneen Forde AC WLAQ Woman Lawyer of the Year.
- A day in the life of an Administrative Appeals Tribunal and the migration aspect to her role.
- Happiness in the law and Bridget's keys to finding contentment in the law.
- Hardship builds resilience and perspective.
- In those small moments of solitude Bridget loves to Bake.
- Bridget's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Bridget Cullen.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
This week is a special one- episode 200! And so, for a special episode number I decided we needed a special episode theme. This week I reversed my role as host thanks to the wonderful skills of a great friend of mine, Mel Telecican. Some of you will know Mel, she is a wonderful friend, business woman and spends her days working with lawyers too. She is the brains behind many of the marketing tools that we use at my firm and has been a huge part of building my Happy Lawyer Happy Life business, particularly, The Club through her business Loyalest. Mel also happens to be a podcast host herself so there was no one else who I thought could carry this conversation better.
This episode I reflect on my learnings since starting this show. From the connection between creativity and joy to the many ups and downs of life, particularly this year, I share a few tears, many laughs and of course many learnings thanks to the 199 previous guests. Mel is the perfect host, throwing the big, hard and fun questions and of course enabling us to have a laugh along the way as well. (Thanks Mel!)
So as this episode goes live, I want to say 'Thank You' to you the listener who continue to tune in each week, sharing in this important conversation about how we can build careers in law that have our own health, wellness and happiness at the Centre. And thank you for supporting my little show- 4 years, 200 episodes and over 350,000 downloads later!
In this interview, Mel and I also chatted about all my learnings from the last 200 episodes.
- Dealing with the challenges that life throws our way- how I do this and the art of keeping perspective and compartmentalising.
- If I was not a lawyer, Iwould be have been a dancer or anything in the creative space.
- Dance-land and the role that it has played in my life.
- Creativity and the law and correlation between joy and creativity.
- The current drivers of happiness in my life.
- The impact of Covid on Happy Lawyer Happy Life and Brisbane Family Law Centre.
- We discuss 'The Club' and the strong, raw and deep online community that has been formed.
- The power that comes from a collective of like-minded individuals.
- The role health has played in my life and value of exercising, eating well and most importantly, getting enough sleep.
- Health rituals in your life and my top tips for a positive health journey.
- You can change your mind, and attitude, at any time but you have to have a willingness to do it.
- My tip for maintaining passion and purpose in both your work and life.
- Dealing with grief and my advice for anyone experiencing loss.
- My biggest takeaways of the legal profession in 2020.
- Cracking the professional guard thanks to zoom.
- The rising awareness of the importane of good mental health in law and the changes that are being made.
- Kindness, authenticity and in the law.
- Some of my most memorable episodes thus far; Jacoba Brasch (Episode 4), Michael Kirby (Episode 38), Demetrio Zema (Episode 97) and Melissa Nielsen (Episode 44)
- My 200th episode Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this celebratory 200th episode of the Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Lindsay Carroll who is the Legal Practice Director at the National Retail Association. Lindsay began her life in lawland as a junior secretary straight out of HIgh School. That first job saw her working at what we now know as Norton Rose where she spent a good few years, ultimatley completing her law studies and transitioning to practicing as a lawyer in the safety law team. Linsay has since moved to working with industry associations, currently at the National Retail Association where she has a varied role moving between legal advisor, advocate and more general assistance to her industry retail clients.
It was Lindsay's thoughts on the importance of finding the fun in our work that I really enjoyed in this conversation. Fun and law are not often words we put together, but there is no doubt that fun tends to result in happiness for most of us. Lindsay had some great insights on how we can all find moments of fun in the work that we do and how this can become an antidote to some of the broader stressors that life in the law can be known for.
In this interview, Lindsay and I also chatted about-
- If Lindsay was not a lawyer she would have been a marine biologist.
- Highlights of growing up in Ipswich and we get a snapshot of her childhood.
- After graduating from school, Lindsay gained legal experience as she worked full time as a secretary, prior to studying Law at University.
- The start of Lindsay's career was in Safety Law and we learn what this entails.
- The shift she made with Norton Rose to Employment Law where she stayed for a total of 8 years.
- Lindsay's experience in Industry Association Land.
- The noticeable differences between big law and a smaller firm with fewer resources.
- The path that led to her current role as the Legal Practice Director at the National Retail Association.
- The type of legal work Lindsay does on a daily basis at NRA.
- Lindsay's advice for baby lawyers and the stress they experience around their career paths.
- Lindsay's life outside of the law including Kayaking!
- The impact the Covid lockdown had on Linday's personal life.
- Retailers in the last 6 months and how they have had to pivot to the online space.
- Lindsay enjoys client contact and is always thankful for positive clients.
- Lindsay's predictions for the future for the retail industry following Covid.
- How retail is are coping with the shift from 'brick to click'.
- Lindsay explains the importance of fun in the workplace and Lindsay's passion for bringing joy to her staff.
- Lindsay's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Lindsay Carroll.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
Belinda Crosbie and the team at Morrissey law are leading the way when it comes to building a firm that has the health and wellness of its team and clients at the heart of every decision they make. I fell upon Morrisey Law after they won this year's Minds Count national award for their initiative 'mind your marbles' and aside from the great name, I knew I needed to learn more! And more I have! Belinda is based down in beautiful Newcastle and in her day job is a construction lawyer. And while we did talk law, in this interview we spoke a whole lot about the business of law and why it is becoming increasingly necessary to put health and wellness at the centre of a business.
Well the team at Morrissey Law have done just that and in this interview Belinda shared how they have put good health and wellbeing at the centre of their decision making and the significant benefits that have flowed as a result. I got to talk all sorts of fun things in this conversation from movies to Christmas adventures to interior design- all of which will make sense when you listen! And Belinda shared many a happiness tip too! This is a conversation that will have you all out finding a new office dog (save for me... I can't quite make that leap yet, much to the dissappointment of my team!)
In this interview, Belinda and I also chatted about-
- If Belinda was not a lawyer she would have been a writer and how she has started a writing course this year too!
- The correlation between creative writing and our mental health and well-being.
- Discipline, attention and the daily practice mindset.
- Belinda grew up in Newcastle and we discuss this beautiful part of Australia.
- Belinda explains her path to the law and why she made the shift from social work into law.
- Although she made a career shift, Belinda uses a lot of her social work practices in law.
- Her time studying at Newcastle University while working in a legal firm as a photocopy clerk.
- The importance of building positive relationships at all levels of your career.
- Belinda started out working in insurance law, but found the pace of Construction law more attractive and made the shift.
- How Belinda came to work at Morrissey Law.
- The traditional law model doesn't necessarily fit in with good health and wellbeing, and the changes Morrissey Law has made to correct this.
- Working collaboratively as a team and removing the competition and isolated nature between colleagues.
- Shifting from billable hours to value-based pricing, which is more aligned with the construction industry.
- Niching in the law and the advantage of bringing in experts.
- The 'Mind Your Marbles' initiative and the constant conversation around mental wellbeing at Morrissey Law.
- Belinda explains the EAP counselling services provided for staff.
- The importance of the spaces we work in and the impact our location can have on our mental health.
- Belinda's advice to new lawyers and the key to finding happiness in the law.
- The intentional step of taking the 'seriousness' out of the legal office environment.
- Belinda's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Belinda Crosbie.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Charlotte Campbell. Charlotte is a fellow Brisbanite who was just great fun to hang out with but in amongst talking basketball and the Kardashians we of course chatted law, life and happiness! Charlotte began her #lawlife in politics before moving into a role within the Department of Defence. A small pivot later and she has found her place as a personal injury lawyer with the team at Shine here in Brisbane.
It was Charlotte's mindset that I loved learning about in this conversation. She has a beautiful way of summing up what matters in life and how she has built healthy routines around her work to ensure she can be the best lawyer she can be. And her love of sport had me laughing along! I don't think I have met anyone yet in almost 200 interviews who wants to be an NBA star if they weren't a lawyer! But Charlotte really does! This interview will have you laughing along for all the right reasons while also reminding us to reflect on the small moments in life and why that is what matters in the end.
In this interview, Charlotte Campbell and I also chatted about-
- If Charlotte was not a lawyer she would have been in the NBA star and loves reality television.
- Charlotte grew up on the Southside of Brisbane and gives us a snapshot of her childhood.
- After starting an Arts Degree Charlotte made the jump to a double degree in Politics and Law at University of Queensland.
- We discuss her time at University and her thoughts on learning styles and University grading.
- Her time working on a campaign for Kevin Rudd and the current political climate.
- Charlotte's experience at the department of defence as a lawyer before shifting into private practice.
- The jump to Personal Injury Law and the inside scoop of a day in the life of a PI lawyer.
- Recognising the impact a traumatic event has on clients and how Charlotte reduces their stress.
- Providing signposts of information for clients during a Personal Injuries process.
- Charlotte gives priority to attending the gym as it reduces the mental burden she experiences from her work.
- Her tips for separating her work and home life by seeing it as a game.
- Winning the WLAQ Emergent Woman Lawyer of the Year award.
- Harassment in the workplace and the generational differences in perspectives of appropriate norms.
- Finding the 'Why' behind your 'What'.
- The importance of good mentors in law-land and Charlotte's tips for graduate lawyers.
- Charlotte's predictions for the future of Personal Injury Law.
- Focusing on the little things in life, as they make up to be the big things in life.
- Charlotte's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Charlotte Campbell.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer extraordinaire, Paul Horvath. Paul has had many years in law and in this interview shared with me the twists and turns his career has taken him on- initially from practice as a criminal lawyer to now running a vibrant employment and sports law practice from Melbourne. I don't know too much about sports law so really enjoyed hearing a few of Paul's great stories about different cases he has been involved in, some of which have had the added benefit of travel to great overseas destinations thanks to the occassional international tribunal appearance!
Putting aside the very interesting and successful career that Paul has had, it was his wisdom and learnings that I really resonated with in our chat. Having lost his mother as a young man we both discussed how these pivotal moments in life are often the things that drive us to keep going, even on the most difficult days. Paul also had some wonderful insights on mental fitness- focusing on what makes us balanced first and then pursuing our dreams. This is an interview full of great advice for lawyers at all stages and it helps that Paul is a natural story teller so there were many a great annecdote along the way too!
In this interview, Paul and I also chatted about-
- If Paul was not a lawyer he would have been a rock star!
- The importance of having a creative outlet which allows you to focus your mind.
- Narrowing down your focus and keeping it simple to avoid getting side-tracked
- Paul's father was in the federal public service which resulted in him moving all over Australia as a child.
- At the age of 16, Paul lost his mother to cancer and the impact this had on Pauls' decision to study law.
- Paul's advice to his kids to find what makes you balanced first, prior to pursuing your dreams.
- Following his unconventional path to university, Paul started his career in Criminal law.
- Empathy for your clients makes you a more passionate advocate.
- Paul's experience managing empathy and client journeys.
- With goals of becoming a sports lawyer, Paul pivoted to employment law and contractual work.
- Paul's role assisting athlets during the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne and a few great stories of the issues that arose.
- The overlap of skills from Paul's experience in Criminal Law.
- Mental health in Law Land and the issues faced in the industry.
- The hierarchical format of law and the changes to more of a collaborative approach to colleagues.
- Paul's employment and sports law practice operating out of Melbourne.
- The future of law for Paul, both during COVID and for the years thereafter!
- Paul's advice to new lawyers coming into the law.
- Paul's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Paul Horvath
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In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Madeline King. Madeline is in the early stages of her lawlife but she really has done so much already! Aside from a number of interesting roles during and after her law studies, it was Madeline's outlook on her career and her life generally that I really loved learning a little about through this conversation. Madeline had some really helpful insights on how to build the right rituals and habits early in your career in law.
Madeline's career so far has seen her working in private practice, at the Adminstrative Appeals Tribunal and more recently the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal all of which have built a great platform for her future in our profession. This was a fun conversation- full of law of course but with some great insights particularly for new practitioners on starting out with the right attitude, backing yourself and following your own path into #Lawland.
In this interview, Madeline and I also chatted about-
- If Madeline was not a lawyer she would have worked in travel as she loves travel and planning.
- Madeline and her new husband spent their adventure-moon in Egypt and Africa.
- Madeline's desire for travel brought her to France to study at age 15.
- Once she graduated high school she moved to Switzerland at age 18 to become an Au pair for a year.
- The happiness levels of European countries and the cultural differences her Husband has seen being a Dutch man.
- The way that Madeline found her way to the law.
- Madeline started law school at QUT and worked full time while studying full-time.
- After some good advice, Madeline starting working in legal offices to gain experience and credits the roles that she has received to working while studying.
- Madeline is currently completing a Masters of Law through Bond University focusing on dispute resolution.
- Madeline's 18 month stint at the Administrative Appeals Tribunal (AAT) and her learnings from this time.
- Madeline was admitted at the beginning of 2019 and has been working for the Queensland Civil and Administrative Tribunal ever since.
- Madeline's tips for finding happiness in the law.
- We discuss self-care boundaries and the importance of standing by your choices.
- The common fear of saying 'no' to new opportunities but the advantage of saying no.
- Madeline has found respect as employers acknowledge her life outside of the law.
- The culture of overwork in law land.
- Be aware of your abilities and put your best foot forward.
- Madeline's tips for building a strong foundation in law.
- The contention between lawyers and overcoming competitiveness.
- Madeline's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Madeline King
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I visited LA, in a virtual sense and had an amazing chat with Lawyer Christopher Melcher. I fell upon Christopher earlier this year thanks to our connected social world and while we might live on opposites sides of the globe, I could find so much in common with Christopher's experience in the law and his perspective on life. Having grown up with a father as a prosecutor, Christopher described that it was no surprise to find himself studying and practicing in the law and for the first few years of his career, he worked alongside his father and brother primarily as a criminal defence attorney. A few years in an opportunity presented itself for Christopher to move sideways into family law, an area of law he has come to really enjoy. These days he owns and operates a firm with a long time mentor and colleague, Peter Walzer in beautiful Woodland Hills, California.
Christopher's perspective on the law and our role as lawyers was refreshing. It intrigues me that the challenges often studied and quoted relating to lawyer ill-health are consistent in Australia and across the globe in the US. Christopher's own experience of travelling to Australia where unfortunately his wife suffered a serious health issue has led to much of his focus now on kindness and calm in his life in and outside of the law.
I loved this chat and only wish I had of set another hour to capture Christopher's insights as I suspect there was a whole lot more he had to share.
In this interview, Christopher and I also chatted about-
- If Christopher was not a lawyer he would create his own television show (and he has a great story about the type of show he would create too!)
- Christopher has lived in LA all his life and is currently located 15 minutes from Malibu.
- Christopher's father was a prosecutor so the law seemed a natural choice for his career.
- Having early exposure to the law gave Christopher a passion for advocacy and truth.
- The process of becoming a lawyer in the United States.
- The gap between the study of law and the practice of law, both in the US and Australia.
- Learning through making mistakes and the importance of surrounding yourself with a community of like-minded lawyers.
- The internal and moral struggle of representing some clients.
- The transition from Criminal Law to Family Law and becoming a partner at Walzer Melcher.
- Christopher's perspective the adversarial nature of the relationships between lawyers.
- In the end, everyone is human and Christophers experience in working with a variety of clients.
- The business of law and the importance of focusing on finances so you can support family, employees and deserving clients.
- Christopher keeps himself mentally and physically well, for the sake of his clients and life outside of the law.
- While attending a wedding in Sydney, Christopher's wife had a brain aneurysm which resulted in his needing to stay in Australia for 3 months.
- During his time in Australia Christopher gained a new perspective on kindness which changed the way he practices the law.
- Christopher's journey to accepting help and how he now looks for moments to help others.
- Christopher's Happiness Tip and his advice to new lawyers.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Christopher Melcher.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Madeleine Gallagher. Madeleine lives and works in Grafton in Northern NSW where she is fast taking over the reigns of what is a beautiful family built practice. Madeleine works alongside her mum, dad and sister so this really is a story about a family of great lawyers. But Madeleine didn't begin her career in law and she had a few great adventures before finding her way there.
Madeleine hasn't been in the law firm game for too long but she has the benefit of a mum and dad who have together built a thriving firm in a beautiful part of the world for many years now. This was a beautiful conversation about finding your path, family along with a good splash of law! This chat had me revisiting my long harboured plan to return to my home in Northern NSW too!
In this interview, Madeleine and I also chatted about-
- If Madeleine was not a lawyer she would have been (and was) a sub-editor at New Idea Magazine.
- After having her first child Madeleine re-invented herself as a lawyer with the goals to take over the family business.
- Born in Grafton, Madeleine moved to Sydney for 19 years, and then came home to Grafton after having her baby.
- Remotely studying through Southern Cross University, all while working full time and raising her child.
- Madeleine started her law studies at age 30 and values her life experience prior to coming into law-land.
- Sister Geraldine, Dad Tony and Mum Trish all work together in the family firm.
- The history of Gallagher Solicitors and Conveyancers.
- Overcoming imposter syndrome.
- The future for a family-owned and run law practice in Grafton.
- Madeleine's learning's from her father, a man who has been in the law for over 40 years.
- Working in, and owning a small business and managing downtime.
- When Madeleine is not a lawyer she loves to spend time with her family.
- The silver linings that have come from the COVID-19 pandemic.
- Madeleine tips and thoughts for new solicitors as well as working in regional communities.
- The inner workings of local, general practice law firm.
- Madeleine is a happy lawyer - and credits her happiness to keeping her work-life balance in check.
- Avoiding the culture of over-working in law land.
- Madeleine's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Madeleine Gallagher.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer, advocate and relationship manager Sheetal Deo. For someone still only a few years into #lawland Sheetal has a whole lot going on- including a full time role as a Relationship Manager at Queensland Law Society, running her own firm, Shakti Legal Solutions and building a not for profit to advocate for diversity and inclusion in law. I came to understand in this interview that doing 'all the things' is core to Sheetal's purpose and happiness in life and law.
This conversation took us from Sheetal's early life in Canada, her move to Australia to study and navigating her Indian heritage while coming to terms with her own place in life as a gay woman. This chat has it all! My favourite part though was Sheetal's comment about her own experience in law so far- that it is nolonger about finding your fit in the profession but instead about creating your fit- something I can certainly resonate with!
In this interview, Sheetal and I also chatted about-
- If Sheetal was not a lawyer she would have been working with the next generation which, as we hear, is what she is doing!
- Sheetal grew up in Canada and paints a wonderful picture of her upbringing.
- Sheetal's first experience on the Gold Coast and the perspective this gave her on the law as a business.
- It was the concept of power and prestige that brought Sheetato law but she shared how that 'why' has changed over the years.
- The journey of Ethnic+ a not for profit Sheetal has pioneered to advocate for diversity and inclusion in law.
- The traditional expectations of the Indian community as well as their innate fear of negative perceptions from others.
- Sheetal's family wanted her to follow the traditional pathway into law, as well as marriage and having children.
- Sheetal's journey of coming out and the reaction of her family, colleagues and most importantly herself.
- Being a woman of colour, Sheetal's passion for educating allies has grown significantly over the duration of her career.
- Unbundling Shakti Legal Solutions.
- Sheetal also works full time at the Queensland Law Society in professional development and has an undeniable passion for sharing her journey to encourage others in their legal careers.
- The mindset of early-career lawyers and shifting the idea of a traditional pathway to the law.
- It's not about finding your fit, it's about creating your fit and Sheetal has been doing just that!
- Seeking help for personal growth and the advantage of getting 'tune-ups' from a therapist.
- Sheetal's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Sheetal Deo.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week’s episode of the Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast I was with solicitor Dean Spanner. Dean has been practising in law for almost 30 years now and gee he brought some experience to this interview. I thought we’d be talking a lot about law and a little about cricket but it turned out we ended up speaking an awful lot about life and how to ensure that you can have a successful career in the law that also prioritises the things that matter- in Dean's case his relationships with his family, children, friends and colleagues.
Dean practises primarily these days as a personal injury lawyer but over the course of his career in running a practice he’s had experience in a very wide variety of practice areas. He himself says that it is the people part of law that brought him to it and has kept him in it, and is now inspiring the next generation of Spanners in his practice also. Dean was an advocate and walking example of work life balance before that was even a thing! At 28 years of age (I am guessing a good 20 years ago) Dean implemented a work from home arrangement so he could be with his kids shortly after first becoming a Dad- and he has maintained this routine to today.
It was Dean’s mindset, perspective and spirituality that I found intriguing in this conversation and that I think we can all learn a lot from. He’s a great example that with hard work but clarity around what brings joy to your life, you can live a successful life in and outside of the law.
In this interview, Dean Spanner and I also chatted about-
- If Dean was not a lawyer he would have been speaker, writer, or a teacher.
- Dean grew up in Longreach and had a 'no silver spoons' upbringing, and growing up in the free and easy 70s'.
- In grade 12, Dean's principal strongly encouraged him to complete work experience at a law firm, kicking off his passion for the law.
- We discuss giving law students the opportunity to work and learn while studying at Uni.
- Dean is somewhat of a cricketing champion and his sport took him to England to play competitively in his early 20s.
- Dean met his wife at age 14 and now, many years and 4 kids later, he shares how his family is at the heart of all he does.
- Dean became an accredited specialist in personal injury law but also spent the first years of his career in family law.
- Meeting Malcolm Kennedy and how he became Dean's mentor and, eventually, business partner at age 28.
- We discuss law and in the 90s and the differences between then and now.
- Dean's perspective on the judicial system and the accountability needed for this space.
- The way in which lawyers treat each other and how we can work together for common goals.
- At this stage, two of Dean's children plan to follow his footsteps into the law and he predicts what their careers may look like in the future.
- The shifts within personal injury law that Dean has seen over his career.
- The process of approaching his business partner at 28 years of age to work one day at home so he could spend valuable time with his young family and how this has benefited him today.
- Dean's tips to enabling balance and happiness both in and outside of the law.
- Dean's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Dean Spanner.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Alexandra Atanasov and this really was a treat! As I sat down to hear about life as a commercial litigator little did I know that I would soon be talking about crochet! It turns out that Alexandra is one half of an amazing creative duo here in Brisbane, best known as 'imakestababy' in Instagram land! So how do you combine the rigours of commercial litigation with the creativity of a babywear label? Well Alexandra tells us all how and more importantly why!
I loved the chance to hear Alexandra's perspective on life in and out of law- she said wisely that her happiness, her ability to manage the stressors of her job, comes from ensuring she has many sources of joy in her life and purposefully creating the space for them all. Yes she is busy, yes she gets overwhelmed but she has come to learn that there are a few key things she needs to keep herself going and so she made sure those things are every present in her days and weeks.
In this interview, Alexandra and I also chatted about-
- If Alexandra was not a lawyer she would have been doing something involving crafting, crocheting or baking.
- A high school teacher influenced Alexandra to pursue the law and we talk about the wonderful impact of great teachers in our lives.
- Alexandra completed a double degree in law and journalism and the advantages of working the creative side of her brain.
- While studying, Alexandra worked at the ATO in debt collection and took internships at both Channel 10 and in large law firms as she worked out the direction she was going to take.
- Alexandra's decision to pursue law.
- Following graduating in 2012 she started her legal career at Crown Law where she 'learnt by doing'.
- Life as a 'Crownie' and the varied and fascinating experiences that Alexandra had.
- In 2017 she made the shift to private practice and started at Holding Redlich where she continues today.
- How the sense of pressure to know your perfect career at a young age can be such a trick and Alexandra's tips for overcoming this.
- Seeing opportunity in everything and finding excitement in all you do.
- Alexandra is a true believer of having multiple sources of happiness and joy to give balance overall in life.
- Alexandra tells us about her creative side and the multiple 'side hustles' she has pursued.
- Meeting Rachel Burke and launching "imakestababy" where Alexandra and Rachel collaborate to create handmade baby clothing.
- There is something special about bringing people together and keeping their hands busy.
- Creativity gives our minds permission to be calm and re-set.
- The future of law for Alexandra.
- Alexandra's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Alexandra Atanasov.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Emma Fitzgerald. Emma is a solicitor, with a background primarily in the insurance space but right at this moment she is the brains behind all things 'Happy Lawyer Headquarters'. A great idea and a chance conversation has led to Emma coming to work with me for the past few months while she is madly studying in her after hours for the Bar Exam. I have loved the chance to work alongside Emma and thought I had come to know alot about her but thanks to this interview, I now know a whole lot more!
Emma didn't set out to be a lawyer- she had politics on her horizon but a few years into her university studies a law degree seemed a good idea and fast forward a decade or so, Emma has built an impressive career in the insurance space. But it has not all been an easy run and Emma shared her ups and downs both personally and professionally and importantly what she has done (and continues to do) to live a life in law that works for her.
In this interview, Emma and I also chatted about-
- If Emma was not a lawyer she would have pursued a career as a politician.
- Our take on life in politics (from 2 women who can only comment from the outside!)
- Emma grew up in Brisbane and shares the memories of her childhood.
- Even though Emma had aspirations to become a politician, she found herself in the law after completing an Arts Degree.
- Studying law at QUT, and the contrast between her high school and university experience.
- Introvert and Extrovert... how Emma has come to find her place as a calm and confident introvert.
- As an overthinker, Emma shares her contrasting experience of working for me at HLHL headquarters and some of her other roles in #Lawland.
- Emma's goal is to become a barrister, however, while this was postponed thanks to all things COVID!
- Emma started her legal career at Crown Law working in insurance law.
- Emma's learnings from her life in the law from becoming a mother, managing family and high-stress work environments.
- Emma's lived experience of separation, financial abuse, motherhood and becoming a single parent.
- During this hard time, Emma took 6 months off work to mentally recover.
- Fear and worry in the workplace and Emma's perspective from someone who is diagnosed with anxiety.
- Rediscovering herself without the law and how a psychologist helped her figure this out.
- Refining the conversation around what a healthy profession looks like in the future.
- Intentionally bringing joy into your day-to-day work life.
- The 'Lawyering Space Podcast' and her motivation behind starting this side hustle.
- The future for Emma both in and outside of the law.
- Emma's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Emma Fitzgerald.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Barrister Nathan Laing. This interview was a joy for so many reasons- firstly because this was my first in person podcast interview since all things COVID took over our world and secondly because Nathan is such a gem of a guest! Nathan's life in law is not new but his career has taken him on a fascinating path- from the police, to life as a criminal lawyer, to the Navy, to the Army and now circling back to all things law again! Nathan's career made for some great annecdotes and he really has such an interesting series of adventures but it was his perspective on life, both in and out of the law that I just loved in this chat.
Nathan and I tackle some of the challenges we are living through right now including the very public conversation about sexual harassment, bullying and other systematic challenges in our profession. Nathan's thoughts on what this all means for the future of our profession left me feeling a great sense of faith that all this upheavel is well overdue and much needed and with leaders like Nathan coming through, the legal profession is in good hands.
In this interview, Nathan and I also chatted about-
- If Nathan was not a lawyer he would still be in the military.
- Nathan was born in New Zealand and moved to the Gold Coast at age 10.
- He became a police officer at age 20 and shares the impact this career had on his life.
- The social expectations placed on members of the police force.
- Nathan studied at Bond University in an accelerated course and started his legal career at the Beenleigh Magistrates Court working in criminal law.
- After a few years, Nathan had a career pivot and started his journey in the military.
- A day in the life of Nathan as he completed his military training in Duntroon, and his postings between Australia and New Zealand.
- The decision to come back to private practice and leave the military.
- Law, by nature, is traditional and we discuss the changes Nathan has seen in law during his career.
- The 'traditional' path to law looks different for everyone and how life experiences create better lawyers.
- "The standard you walk past is the standard you accept" and Nathan's perspective on leadership and vulnerability and the law.
- Currently, Nathan is a Barrister working in family, crime, and mediation.
- Mediation is driven by the human challenge and deeper issues.
- Change management, millennials and the impact that young lawyers are having on the future of our profession.
- The future for Nathan is to further develop his practice as he is content in the law!
- The value of 'soft skills' and the growing consideration of these skills in law firms.
- The intentional care that the French Quater Chambers brings to its clients.
- Nathan's Happiness Tip (it's one of my favourites!)
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Nathan Laing.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Maddison Harrington. Maddison who I have come to know as 'Maddie' is an inhouse lawyer here in Brisbane at Griffith University. I met Maddison early last year when she was just beginning her 'law land life'. And now, a year and a half in, I really enjoyed hearing how Maddie has enjoyed her first role in the law. Over the time I have known Maddie I have also been inspired by her advocacy, honesty and grace as she has shared her own life experience of transitioning from man to woman. This was a wonderful conversation full of law and of course life- I have learned a lot from Maddie and her willingness to offer her own expereince to better educate me/ us and others on a life experience that I know so little about has reminded me of the importance of knowledge to build understanding in a world that at times can feel so cold.
I sense this lawyer has a wonderful career ahead of her and I am really glad I was able to chat with her at this early moment in her career. I will be looking forward to seeing where #lawland takes you Maddie.
In this interview, Maddison and I also chatted about-
- If Maddison was not a lawyer, she would have been in musical theatre.
- Maddison grew up across NZ, Hong Kong, Sydney and settled back to Christchurch in highschool before moving across to the Gold Coast for her University studies.
- Cross-cultural experiences, making friends, and fitting at different stages of our lives.
- Maddison's experience of being bullied in school led to resistance in her adult years.
- Her first aspirations were to become a Politician and she started a double degree in law and politics at Griffith University in Brisbane.
- While studying full-time, Maddison was working at Griffith University House working on copyrights, student placement, and contracts. This is where she fell in love with the law.
- Why life is too short to say no when it comes to your happiness.
- Maddison shares her journey of transitioning from a to a woman at the age of 23.
- Be the person who you are - and don't be afraid to be you.
- Maddison's transition has been very public and she shares the support she has received.
- Education and kindness is the key to change in our community.
- The importance of true friendships and valuing those who love you, for you.
- The experience of going through puberty twice!
- Maddison's perspective on the difficulties we all face.
- The tango of life and Maddison's reflections from her journey thus far.
- Maddison's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Maddison Harrington.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer/ entrepreneur/ academic/ all round intelligent and funny woman Wenee Yap! I fell upon Wenee a few years ago now thanks to a Facebook Page I now know she and some friends established when she was at University called Survive Law. This page kept me well entertained with great insights and humour about all things law school and having learned a little more about Wenee this past year or so, I now know exactly where that perfect mix of intelligence and fun comes from!
Wenee is another great example of a lawyer following what we might call an unconventional path! I say that having interviewed about 185 lawyers now that all seem to have followed some sort of 'unconventional path' so I am starting to wonder what a conventional path in law in 2020 might look like! None the less, Wenee has managed to build a career in the law that plays to her strengths- firstly in Academia where she has had the chance to study and later teach ethics. And alongside her Academic roles Wenee has had roles in marketing and technology in a variety of legal orgnanisations.
In this chat I also learned about a great 'COVID-19 Collaboration' that has resulted in Wenee and a group of colleagues establishing a new business- Bottled Law- a place where lawyers and lawyers to be can access webinars, courses and other great resources to upskill us all in the technology and business skills needed to excel in a modern law firm. I love this collaboration and the products is it producing. Bottled Law is a great example of what is possible when some savy colleagues pull together their skills and knowledge.
And my favourite piece.... well that is hard in this one but I think Wenee's way of describing the skill set of a 2020 great lawyer- a T shape- deep knowledge in a legal niche and wide knowledge in the business and tech skills our clients need.
Wenee and I also chatted about-
- If Wenee was not a lawyer she would have been a screenwriter for Hollywood.
- Wenee's experience growing up in Australia across two cultures and how that has shaped her experience in life and in the law.
- The term 'Vulcan' explained thanks to Wenee!
- Wenee was born in Malaysia and shares some of her early experience between Malaysia and Sydney during high school and University.
- Performing arts in Wenee's life (and how she has kept that passion alive in her career)
- Racism in Australia and the changes Wenee has seen in her lifetime.
- Wenee's experience as a Lecturer at UTS in Legal Eithics.
- How Wenee ended up a marketing manager!
- Wenee's experience at Law School and what drove her to start 'Survive Law'.
- Job security and students graduating the law- the skills we need today.
- Wenee's experience of lock-down and the space it gave her to re-focus.
- Never build something unless it fills a need, which Bottled Law did!
- Becoming a T shaped lawyer.
- The balancing act between the client experience and being lawyer centric.
- Finding purpose both in and outside of the law.
- Success and Happiness are both verbs in Wenee's world.
- Wenee's thoughts on wellness and mental health in our industry.
- Wenee's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Wenee Yap
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing surrogacy and family lawyer Cassandra Kalpaxis. I have come to know Cassandra this past few years and over that time I have watched her work hard to build a practice that focuses on the work she loves to do and balances her love of family. This is no easy feat- anyone practicing in law would feel the tension every day!
Cassandra 'grew up' in law land, starting her first role in a firm at only 14 years of age. She primarily practiced in criminal law- an area of law she really enjoyed however last year she made the decision to move away from this practice area to create the space to focus on work that she really loves in the surrogacy space. Cassandra has since built a business 'Simply Surrogacy' that is helping families of all shapes and sizes around the country achieve their dreams to be parents.
Cassandra and I chatted late at night for this interview so I sense you will have a laugh at our tiredness- but I have concluded that is an authentic representation of our lives in law! Cassandra had lots of advice on starting out, building a practice and all of those important law land things but it is her perspective on family, relationships and friendships that I think is the piece that I will take away from this chat.
In this interview, Cassandra and I also chatted about-
- If Cassandra was not a lawyer she would have been a florist or a chef!
- Cassandra is from a large Greek family and describes what it was like for her and her family growing up in regional NSW.
- Memories from Cassandra's childhood growing up in a small community with a large, pizza shop owning greek family.
- Cassandra started in the law at only 14 when she started working in a local general practice law firm.
- Cassandra continued to work full time while studying full time at Western Sydney University.
- Cassandra started her legal career as a criminal lawyer in the same law firm she worked in as a teenager.
- After giving her long term employer 12 months notice, Cassandra started looking at other areas of the law and started in a generalist firm.
- Cassandra started her own firm, Kalpaxis Legal, around 2 years ago now.
- The highlights of working in your own business.
- Cassandra switched her focus to surrogacy law last year inspired by her own experience in becoming a mum.
- The future for Cassandra and Kalpaxis Legal.
- Cassandra's tips for managing a career in the law and supporting a family.
- Cassandra is content in the law and shares what keeps her in a positive headspace.
- Tips for young lawyers coming into the law.
- Cassandra loves music, Jazz in particular.
- Cooking is a huge part of her life and she can spend up to 12 hours cooking Sunday lunch for friends and family.
- The ties Cassandra has to her Greek heritage.
- The value of 'finding your tribe'.
- Cassandra's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Cassandra Kalpaxis.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Virginia Warren. Now Virginia is no average lawyer! She is a lawyer/ yoga instructor/ TEDX speaker and so much more and it was a real delight to hear her perspective in this interview. I met Virginia in a course a few years ago now and have followed her advetures since. She is an Author of a great book- “Let’s Kiss All The Lawyers! … said no-one, ever" and like me, has been on a campaign to improve the mental health of lawyers world wide.
Virgina has a deep connection to place, space and consciousness and her thoughts on life, law and wellness really got me thinking. She does not live on the surface and really got me thinking deeply about how early experiences in our lives and careers impact how we show up every day. Virginia has a great antidote to all of this though and gave some really great practicial tips on how we can reframe and reshape our lives for the better.
There is a whole lot in the interview and it is one to listen to while sipping a hot tea as you will be transformed off into deep thought and inspired to try a few new things too.
In this interview, Virginia and I also chatted about-
- If Virginia was not a lawyer she would have been a performer or a comedian.
- Virginia grew up in Morning Peninsula, and shared some of the hardship from her childhood that has shaped the person she is today.
- 'Life has no meaning unless you give meaning to it' has become Virginia's mantra and it was a quote I loved and am stealing!
- How the laws that we create for ourselves from a young age can dictate our entire approach to life.
- Virginia encourages us to be the one who holds our emotional power, not others.
- Virginias' recent TedX talk - Lawyers Are Trained To Break the Law.
- The process of creating a TedX talk and choosing the right topic.
- How Virginia came to study law later in life and her path to Partnership at her firm, Stidston Warren Lawyers.
- How law, at it's core, is about relationships and emotion. This needs to be a consideration for lawyers.
- Yoga has changed Virginia's life and she shares how she has integrated it into all aspects of her life.
- The adversarial nature of law and the changes Virginia wants to see in the profession.
- How until we own our emotions we will be internally disconnected (there were some great tips here!)
- The message we send to others when we react to difficult situations.
- Virginia's top tips for changing the levels of ill health in the legal industry- Start with yourself. Be present. Be honest. Be willing to explore your emotions.
- Virginia's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Virginia Warren
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Justin North. Justin is not a lawyer but he may as well be one- he is the son of, brother of and married to a lawyer and has spent his entire career working within the law. I have come to know Justin through his work with his legal consulting firm, Janders Dean. Now it has taken me a solid 3 years of pestering to get Justin on this show and it seems it took a pandemic to get me over the line! But whatever the reason, I am grateful- this was a wonderful chat with someone who really gets life in the law.
I have had the privilege, like so many others, of Justin's generosity and support in my own career so in some ways this was the opportunuty for me to say a 'Thank you' to someone who prefers to shine the light on others than to accept praise himself. He is a true trailblazer in our industry and it was great to hear his optimistic outlook on the future of law, pandemic or not! We talked changes in law from the 90's to now, the future of law, wellness in our industry, the billable hour and of course the joys and challenges of the partnership model. Neither of us have all the answers, but I did take away from Justin's perspective that so much has changed for the better- diversity, wellness and a genuine focus on service- that we can be excited for the future as the building blocks are in place we just all need to keep building on them.
In this interview, Justin and I also chatted about-
- Although Justin is not a lawyer he is surrounded by lawyers in both his work and family life.
- How Justin's interest in service based industries started in his teens.
- Justin grew up on the northside of Brisbane, although these days he calls London home.
- Justin started out in the law in the mid-'90s after his sister encouraged him to apply for a role at national firm.
- The impact of COVID-19 on the legal industry an Justin's predictions for the impact short and long term.
- Psychology and behavioural traits in lawyers and support staff and what this means for legal businesses.
- Justin's early career working between London, Sydney and Brisbane in legal consulting.
- Janders Dean, a law firm advisory business, founded by Justin in 2007.
- The beginning of Janders Dean and Justin's goals for the business and how they still hold true today.
- Justin shares the beginning of his now famous event series, JD Horizons and how and why he turned legal events on their head.
- Law without Walls, which encourages innovation in the legal space to build a product to solve a problem.
- Justin's perspective on what the legal industry is doing well.
- The challenges we face in the legal industry and the changes Justin would like to see in the coming years.
- The people to watch in the legal industry for the future.
- Justin's Happiness Tip!
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Justin North.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Barrister Avelina Tarrago. Having known from a young age that law was her calling, Avelina has built a successful career as an advocate. Avelina is a proud Aboriginal woman and the current President of the Indigenous Lawyers Association of Queensland. I thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to discuss her culture- how it has and continues to influence her life and the important role she has played in advocating for her people through her work.
Avelina, like so many of my guests, has had a fascinating career to date (and I sense she is only just getting started!) Having received a cadetship with the Commonwealth DPP while at University, she has had the opportunity to explore many varied aspects of legal practice and just last year made the shift to the private Bar. Avelina has a great outlook on life in the law and lots of wonderful insights on our role in the broader community. This is an interview that will have you smiling, thinking and pondering the importance of connection to place and people when it comes to happiness.
In this interview, Avelina and I also chatted about-
- If Avelina was not a lawyer she would have found her way into marine biology and science.
- Avelina is a woman of Aboriginal descent and shares her cultural connection to both the land and sea.
- Avelina shares the importance of going out to her country at least once a year- why connection to place means so much.
- Self-identity and the role of history and origins takes in all of us.
- The balance of keeping our current COVID situation in perspective to others who are experiencing hardship.
- Avelina grew up in Jimboomba, on over 10 acres of land and attended school in Brisbane City.
- How Avelina came to be in law-land after finding a strong sense of advocacy from grade 5.
- Avelina started the study of law at QUT at the young age of 17.
- She always had a clear vision of advocacy and was driven to take her law studies to support Aboriginal and Torris Strait Islander communities.
- Avelina started a cadetship at the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions where she shares her experience of learning and practising law.
- Without a history of lawyers in her family, Avelina found huge value in creating connections with colleagues and the mentorship she has received over her time there.
- During her time at the DPP, she worked in many areas including fraud, legal policy work, commercial, insolvent trading, drug infiltration matters and valued the chance to try so many differing areas.
- Avelina was given the opportunity through secondments to work within the Murri Court and explains how this court is structured.
- Following her time at the DPP she spent time in the coroner's office and the health ombudsmen, while completing the Bar Practice Course.
- Avelina's experience of moving into the Private Bar.
- Avelina was one of the first Aboriginal and Torris Strait Islander women at the Bar in Queensland and her perspective on leadership in her community.
- Standing on your own two feet as well as balancing your cultural roots.
- Avelina currently focuses on coronial legal representation at the Bar and feels a real sense of pride in being a voice for someone who is no longer with us.
- We discuss flexibility in the law following the COVID-19 pandemic.
- Avelina is the President of the Indigenous Lawyers Association of Queensland.
- Kindness transcends race, age and culture which Avelina has seen not only in her chamber group but in her local community.
- Avelina's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Avelina Tarrago
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
There is nothing quite like a pandemic when it comes to turning the world upside down and now that we are a few weeks in and I feel less like this is 'ground hog day' and more like this is my new normal, I am sharing with you my musings on law, life, business and importantly, finding happiness in all of this sadness. So it is #soloshow time!
I have certainly seen the best and worst in business and people this last few weeks and like all of you have experienced the ups and downs and personal challenges that have come from the changes being made around us. But me being me, I can't stay in that negativity for too long and so it has been the silver linings that I have focused on and that I think now are really pulling me through.
This week I am sharing 5 'tips' that are in part tips, in part my learnings and in part what I have been doing both in my business but also in my daily life to manage this crisis. And I am sharing some of the things that have inspired me- lawyers building and launching new products, great collaborations and small businesses tackling big pivots that in any other time would be seen as incredible innovations- right now all of this is survival! But I love that when backs are to the wall some of the best ideas come and so this week I am sharing what I think we lawyers can be doing right now to survive this strange time from leadership to innovation, humanity, rituals and of course happiness!
So here is the summary!
Leadership - showing up for your team and communicating openly
It is not easy running a business and it is really not easy in moments like these and so I share what I have done at my firm these past few weeks to keep the wheels turning and our team working and why I think it is so important for those of us leading to be honest and authentic right now.
- Why I spent the first weeks of the pandemic knee-deep in business numbers
- The changes that I made at BFLC to create quick simple solutions to support my staff in working from home
- Why communication has been the key
Pivot - using these moments to think and work differently and those that have inspired me this past few weeks
- What we can all learn from 1 simple email from my daughters Gymnastics school, Delta gymnastics
- By local craft brewery, Fonzie and Abbot goes from spirits to sanitiser- a pivot at its best!
- Rethinking Redundancy- is this an opportunity to re-think the future
- A great collaboration between 3 lawyers Jo Alilovic, Cara Austen, and Daniel Taborsky shows just how powerful working together, joining forces and trying something new can be! (Their Facebook group - Coronavirus Support for Employers I mention is here)
Humanity - how it took a pandemic to get a bit of 'the human' back in law!
- This past few weeks I have so enjoyed the sense of realness that has hit law- as kids run around phone conferences, pets appear in zoom calls and we all juggle our many new hats, I have seen an increase in kindness, understanding and what I am calling 'the human' in law.
- I share why I hope this sticks and how this could be the beginning of something very different for the future of law
Happiness - finding the silver linings
- Coming to grips with our new normal and the 5 stages of grief we should all be aware of
- The mindset of flipping a hard situation into something positive
- The beauty of being able to spend more time with children and family
- The silver linings of this Pandemic
Rituals - building joy into your day the Corona way!
- Building new daily and weekly rituals, like going for a family run (ok so perhaps there has been more of a walk/run/run/walk going on but I am getting there!)
- Weekend Virtual Zoom discos with friends (you need to try this!)
- Connecting with others to just check-in and ask 'how are you?'
- Ensuring we create a routine when it comes to working at home
My Bonus Happiness Tip for surviving life during a pandemic.
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So a silver lining of this pandemic is that I have had to 'pivot' like so many of you in business and move my interviews 'online' and as such a whole new world of 'happy lawyer guests' has appeared! This week is the first of many a great online interview with someone I have been so keen to have on this show for a while- James d'Apice. In his 'law life' James is a commercial litigator but in his 'other life' James wears many hats- from husband to dad to son to part time rapper to podcaster and a whole lot more. It is the combination of James' law life with his human life that has had me following his work for some time now and I know will have you smiling along in this episode too.
James describes himself as a lawyer who was never going to be a lawyer- growing up in a family of many lawyers, now working in the firm that has carried his surname for generations, it would seem on the surface that James' career in the law was set from the beginning but you will hear in this interview just how far James went to avoid what was perhaps the expected path for him in law. This mindset still drives him today as rather than relying upon the brand built in his family over the years he has been determined to pave his own way and leave his own legacy on his clients and the profession.
I loved the chance to chat with James last week. I described him during out chat as the perfect combination of 'old and new' and is a great example of the happiness that can come when you allow who you are to seep into all parts of your life- work and home.
In this interview, James d'Apice and I also chatted about-
- If James was not a lawyer he would be about 30 other things.... (the list was long!)
- Growing up as the son of a son of a son of a lawyer!
- We talk about the luck of being born into a great family what that has meant for both of us.
- James did not always want to become a lawyer and shares the many steps he took to avoid that destiny.
- Why James centres his life around happiness and empathy.
- The impact of COVID-19 on James' life at the moment- the silver linings of no more 2 hour commutes and what this might mean when we all return 'to normal'.
- James univesrity life and his Honours Thesis on Beer and Masculinity in Australian culture (I had to ask about that one!)
- Stereotypes and expectations in the legal profession, as well as the rest of the world.
- While at Sydney University James hosted a radio show, trivia nights and battle raps (as you do!)
- James' advice to current university students to not take life too seriously and explore who you are as a human.
- Filling your life with things that bring you joy, at all stages of life, to make yourself a better lawyer for your clients.
- The insecurities James faced when coming into law-land due to his long family history of lawyers.
- James' experience of working with his dad and what he has learnt from working with family.
- James' side hustle 'Coffee and a case note'- that you can find on pretty much every social media platform known!
- The pros and cons of running a legal marketing side hustle.
- James' tips on happiness both in his life but for our profession at large.
- And his happiness tip for this week too!
Sit back and enjoy this interview with James d'Apice.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Rebecca Murray. Rebecca is a privacy lawyer these days running her own consultancy in an area of practice I can safely say I knew nothing about! I sense this is my last 'in person' interview for a while- Rebecca and I sat down a few weeks ago before our truly isolated world began and it was a timely conversation- both from the area of work she practices in but also because Rebecca has been a remote worker for a long time and so her tips on managing the work from home thing have taken on a whole new meaning now!
Rebecca is another wonderful example of the many different ways we can all be lawyers- her career pathway was not what she expected but by following opportunities she has built a niche in a fast growing space for the future. And like so many of my guests she has found her happiness in law by building rituals into her life that promote her wellness- meditation, understanding the limitations of perfectionism and having a 'gor for it' attitude that has got her this far and will be essential in the months of uncertainty ahead.
In this interview, Rebecca and I also chatted about-
- If Rebecca was not a lawyer she would have been an English literature professor.
- Rebecca was born and bred in Brisbane with the exception of a few years in the UK.
- As a child, Rebecca always fought for fair andknew at 15 that she wanted to be a lawyer.
- After school, she completed a law degree at QUT here in Brisbane. She shared with me her experiences at university and the challenges that can come with that well known trait amongst lawyers- perfectionism.
- The shift we have seen in law land with remote working and Rebecca's perspective on future change for our industry.
- Rebecca's first job in the government space in the Crime and Misconduct Commission.
- Rebecca's advice to legal graduates as they consider the multiple pathways into law.
- Rebecca gained her experience by working in government sectors including at the Ombudsman's Office and the Department of Environmental Science and Worker's Compensation.
- Finally, Rebecca started her role at the Information Commissioner where she was responsible for reviewing information requests- an area tht has fast led to her specialty.
- Reaising there was a gap in the market, Rebecca started her own consultancy firm RTI Consultants.
- Rebecca's journey to starting a firm that focuses' on rights to information.
- The layers of privacy protection Rebecca predicts with the emerge of COVID-19.
- Rebecca's perspective on why the rights to information sector has grown so much over the last few years.
- Rebecca's other loves in life outside of law.
- Meditation has become a large part of Rebecca's life so she can focus and de-stress. She recommends the 'Calm' app
- Rebecca describes herself as a perfectionist and gives us her tips for stepping away from a negative thought space.
- Managing the boundaries of home and work as we all work remotely.
- Rebecca's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Rebecca Murray.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Nitika Balaram. Nitika is everything we want to see in the next generation of lawyers- passionate, caring and so very determined. But I have come to know Nitika this past year as a fun and creative soul- just last week she baked the most amazing cake for my youngest daughter's birthday! So baking and law- is there really a connection? Well probably not but like so many of my guests on this show, Nitika has found her ability to be the best lawyer she can be is directly connected to her capacity to make time in her life for the people and passions that make her happy.
Nitika has a wicked laugh, can see the good in almost anything and is the perfect guest for a week when we are all coming to grips with our new socially strange world! She spends her days working at the Women's Legal Service on the Gold Coast- a role that brings her great purpose but also comes with incredible challenge.
In this interview, Nitika and I also chatted about-
- If Nitika was not a lawyer she would have been a baker and is an expert cake maker from home!
- How Nitika ended up settling in Australia after growing up between India and New Zealand.
- The education system in Australia compared to Nitika's experience overseas.
- The positive and negative aspects of great school grades when deciding on a career out of high school.
- Nitika attended Bond University and shares why it was the perfect place for her.
- Nitika started her law studies at age 17 and was admitted at the young age of 21- we discussed the pro's and cons of starting law so young.
- After noting the mental strain students face in University, she started the "Mentally Healthy Bond" Club at Bond University.
- The competitive atmosphere of the University students and the statistics of mental health in students.
- Mentors throughout Nitika's career have been essential to her growth.
- For Nitika her natural response was to do commercial law, however, after volunteering at the Women's Legal Service, Nitika decided that her focus will stay in Family Law.
- Nitika is currently 4 years into her legal career and her advice to her 17-year-old self.
- The grief and trauma that Family Law clients experience.
- Nitika's observations of the difference between community legal and private practice law firms.
- The importance of cross-referrals for families affected by Domestic Violence.
- Nitika has experienced a greater capacity to help clients within the community sector.
- Dealing with difficult caseloads and how Nitika assists her clients going through often tragic circumstances.
- Why baking brings to much joy for Nitika.
- Filling your own cup first so you can help others.
- Nitika's advice to students - including finding your passion and purpose in your career.
- Nitika encourages us to contribute to the Women's Legal Service or volunteering in some capacity.
- Nitika's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Nitika Balaram
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Tanya Diessel
In this interview, Tanya and I also chatted about-
- If Tanya was not a lawyer she may have been a school teacher
- Tanya was born and raised on the Gold Coast
- Tanya started law without a plan and how she came to work at the Gold Coast Community Legal Centre (GCCLC)
- Tanya has now been with the GCCLC for 9 years now
- The vision we have in law school vs our perception of University
- Asking the question, 'What can I learn?' led to Tanya's years of experience in the GCCLC
- Volunteering in Private Practice vs the Community Sector and Tanya's advice to students
- The pressure students face prior to graduating University
- Tanya is humble, however, shares her achievements in her career thus far, including winning the Gold Coast Young Achiever in Occupational Excellence Award
- Tanya's involvement with building Student Clinics and explains to us how they came about
- The practice areas of the GCCLC and the everyday area's Tanya works within
- The privilege of our environment and how it impacts our lives
- The Gold Coast some of the highest rates of Domestic Violence and Tanya's view on the Domestic Violence Specialist Court
- Upskilling for duty lawyer's and the resources available for training
- A day in the life of Tanya as a Coordinating Solicitor at GCCLC
- Diversity in the law is once of the attractions for Tanya
- The difference between practical experience and educational experience
- When Tanya is not being a lawyer she is also teaching Semester Assistant Professor at Bond University and sits on the Board of Directors for Events Management Queensland
- Tanya recently started dance classes and has found this community to be a great separation from work
- Taking a chance in your legal career and accepting what you cannot control
- Tanya's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Tanya Diessel
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure re-visiting 10 women who have all had different paths into the law.
Sunday the 8th of March is, of course, International Women’s Day and what better an opportunity than to celebrate some of the amazing women I have had on the show over the last 12 months. There have been many so picking just 10 was a little like having to choose your favourite children- not something that is ever really possible! But I have chosen this group of amazing guests for a few simple reasons- they are all amazing at what they do, and they all have had very different journeys into the law.
Early last year in Episode 130 – I sat down with the wonderful Pheobe Bell
Phoebe like so many of us bounced off to law school straight after school. But a few years into her degree she realised quite quickly that a life in the law was not really for her. She is now the creator of the stunning Australian homewares brand Sage and Clare. In this interview, I got to understand just how Phoebe has gone from a potential career in the law to instead running a vibrant international homewares business playing with colour, creativity, design and joy.
In this section of her interview Pheobe and I talk about:
- How Pheobe came to start her own business and moved out of the law
- The external and internal pressure that comes along with pursuing dreams
- The parallels between starting any sort of business, whether it be homewares or a law firm, including self-belief and the capacity to back yourself.
- How the thinking that Phoebe learned at law school has been invaluable to her homewares business.
Next is the wonderful Myra Kochardy who joined me in Episode 132. Myra’s career in law began almost by accident. After having migrated to Australia at 18, it was a chance meeting with a neighbour Myra was inspired to become a lawyer. But like so many of us, she began her degree and then ‘left’ for a while before coming back and finding her feet with a new sense of purpose after having volunteered in the south of China. Myra has since gone on to build a niche in Health Law- initially in private practice and now as an advisor in Government.
In this section of her interview Myra and I talk about:
- After being born and raised in Switzerland, Myra decided to pursue law, however, after 9 months Myra switched her focus to International Relations.
- The importance of purpose in our lives both in and outside of the law
- Myra took a break from uni- she wanted to travel and landed in South-East China to teach English with ‘Volunteers International’.
- The rest is sort of history- she fell into a role at the Brisbane firm, Roberts & Kane a wonderful small firm where she was mentored and inspired and found her niche in Health Law.
And then there was Episode 132 with Kath Manby. Kath is the owner of VM Family Law a firm specialising in Family Law and particularly domestic violence work. It is Kath’s own experience, her values and beliefs that have led her to this very tricky area of practice and in this interview, I learned a lot about just why she has invested so much of herself in making a difference to others.
In this section of her interview Kath and I talk about:
- Kath grew up in Huddersfield, UK, and had a choice between psychology and a law degree, she chose law.
- In 2006 Kath moved to Australia on a whim
- Once she had moved Kath did 8 electives over 2 years at UQ to get her certificate validated
- Kath’s first job was at a law firm in Wynnum conducting Wills Estate, Conveyancing and finally Family law (which is where she wanted to be!)
- Kaths advice to young lawyers who have a passion for Social Justice
Next, I had the opportunity to interview by good friend on Episode 133, Kelly Standford. is the wonderful Kelly did not set out to become a lawyer and in this interview I learned about the many twists and turns life has taken her on as she found her path there. And I am so glad she did! Her story will inspire you and is a wonderful reminder that we can all do anything we set our mind to if we are courageous enough- including working full time, raising two kids and studying a law degree late into the night!
In this section of her interview Kelly and I talk about:
- Kelly shares her love of her work- particularly the care and protection area, her legal aid work and assisting Aboriginal people around NSW.
- Kelly's learnings from running her law firm, for the last 20 years.
- The future for Kelly Stanford as a granny, lawyer, business owner and care and
- Kelly’s advice to those who are thinking about starting a law degree as well as some stories from her time at University
And then there was Episode 145 with Florence Chen. Florence has quickly built a successful practice at the bar in taxation, commercial and construction law and her day job had us talking for some time. Florence is someone I would be happy to hang out with daily! She is everything that inspires me in a great lawyer- intelligent, driven and all of those great traits but equally calm, funny, open and authentic.
In this section of her interview Florence and I talk about:
- The story of how Florence decided to jump straight into a career at the bar – thanks to her wife Jessica!
- Life as a Barrister- particularly those first few years.
- Opportunities for women at the Bar but why the stats continue to suggest women are not moving into that arm of our profession at the same rate as perhaps the solicitor arm of the profession.
Marnie Carrol is up next and her snippet comes from Episode 146. Marnie is a contract lawyer by day at DLA Piper- a role that she really loves. But through her decision last year to change how she was living, Marnie has come to find a deep sense of purpose and balance between her work inside the law and her life outside of it.
In this section of her interview Marnie and I talk about:
- Marnie saw herself in litigation but early in her career found herself in contract work which she has really come to love.
- Innovation in Contractual Law space and Marnie’s view of how to overcome the disconnect that can occur when communicating between parties.
Next, I had the opportunity to interview Lana Woltman on Episode 147. Lana is a personal injuries lawyer now working at Slater and Gordon Lawyers on the Gold Coast. She thoroughly enjoys the practice of law, helping her client overcome often significant tragedy. Lana shared so many great insights in this chat all around the theme of happiness- from building resilience, being tenacious, celebrating success and importantly, being kind to yourself along the way too.
In this section of her interview Lana and I talk about:
- Lana’s early life and the influence of her passion for music.
- How Lana found herself in law.
- Working in hospitality has taught Lana to problem solve and these skills have been invaluable through the start of her legal career.
- A car accident led Lana to become a personal injuries lawyer
And then there was Episode 151 with Carly Stebbing. Carly took a courageous step herself to create her own practice with nothing more than $6,000 and a whole lot of determination and fast forward a few years she now employs her husband and many others and is fast building a practice that is providing the best of legal services but also a flexible work culture and cost effective solutions for her clients.
In this section of her interview Carly and I talk about:
- How Carly started in employment law.
- Employer and Employee law- which Carly prefers and why.
- Why Carly started her own firm, Resolution 123, in 2017 with an APP and an 8 week old baby!
- How Carly’s passion to help those who need but cannot afford legal services has driven much of her innovation.
Next, we listen to Cara Austen who has built her own unique practice, Twine, which has opened since her last interview on Episode 153. Cara has a deep love of the business of law and I think I can say this is in part what drove her decision to start her own firm. Cara, in this snippet, shares her journey into the law and being ok with being a 'law nerd'.
In this section of her interview Carly and I talk about:
- Cara started her legal career in Canberra having the chance to enjoy a few different roles in the public service.
- After graduation, Cara worked in private practice in contractual law, tax law and IT law and is a self-confessed ‘law nerd’.
- Cara moved to Singapore to work for a Japanese company where she fast learned just how different business in another culture can be!
And finally, we will hear from Adelyn Koh from Episode 163. Adelyn knew from a young age law was to be her thing and before she knew it, she was there. But a chance opportunity had her and her now-husband taking a chance and moving across from Malaysia to Sydney. A job in a top tier firm EY, living in a beautiful city- it would be easy to think Adelyn had it all sorted but I fast learned in this interview that her experiences in transitioning from practicing in Malaysia to be accepted in Sydney were anything but easy.
In this section of her interview Adelyn and I talk about:
- The day to day life of living in Malaysia and the expectations for lawyers.
- Adelyn’s experience of moving to Sydney and the challenges she faced during the transition.
- Unconscious bias and Adelyn’s perspective of bias in Law Land and the benefits of culturally diverse workplaces.
Sit back and enjoy these wonderful interviews with Women who all have unique paths into the law.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Natasha Tanirau-Stanley. Natasha spends her days working in a community legal service south of Brisbane assisting young people who find themselves in our justice system. This is no easy role- Natasha's clients include some of our most vulnerable members of society but when you hear the joy and passion in her voice as she speaks of the work she does, I sense you will feel like I did- she is the perfect lawyer for this role.
Natasha grew up in New Zealand and studied law there (primarily because she couldn't achieve her preferred career of being a mermaid!!). She followed her family to Brisbane after her studies and fell into a role initially in family law. She describes in this interview how private practice just wasn't for her and how she found herselft in burn out at a very early stage in her career, questioning if it was the right profession for her. But it was her role as a volunteer at her now place of employment, the Youth Family Service that helped her through.
Natasha is a mum to a beautiful little boy and so we of course shared the joys and challenges of 'life' and family. Natasha is a fun, warm and down to earth soul who will have you smiling, laughing and nodding along with her. And I am glad she became a lawyer and couldnt find a way to live out her childhood dream of being a mermaid- she is just the sort of lawyer we should all be!
In this interview, Natasha and I also chatted about-
- If Natasha was not a lawyer she would have been a mermaid! (yep she really would have been!!)
- Natasha grew up in New Zealand and absolutely loves the ocean and her Kiwi roots.
- We discuss surnames (primarily because I couldn't pronounce hers!)
- At the age of 7, Natasha decided she wanted to become a lawyer, not a mermaid.
- She studied the Law in New Zealand and continued her Masters here in Australia.
- The flooded legal market and the training students receive during their studies and the challenges Natasha faced in getting her first role in law.
- After a year of working as a Family Lawyer, Natasha came to a crossroads in her legal career and experienced a burn-out during her first year.
- Natasha had assumptions of what law-life looked like and shares how she managed burn-out.
- How Natasha found her role at Youth Family Services (YFS) and why she hasn't looked back.
- Natasha's experience of working with young people from difficult backgrounds.
- Empathy, connection, communication and trust are the keys to working with young people in the legal system.
- The role of YFS in the community, and its multi-disciplinary approach.
- Natasha is a new mother and was surprised at how difficult parenting can be.
- Advantages of being in the community sector vs private practice.
- The community sector's billing process and the flexibility that comes along with this format.
- Natasha shares her thoughts on happiness in the legal sector.
- Through all her hard times Natasha's perspective on life has changed.
- Natasha's journey of pregnancy, feeding and sleep routines.
- Natasha shares her relationship tips.
- Tips from her career so far.
- Natasha seeks external help when she needs it, both in and outside of the law.
- Managing the expectations of family and work.
- Natasha's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with a great lawyer and person in Natasha Tanirau-Stanley.
Learn more here about upcoming events and courses and connect with Clarissa Rayward at the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life’ knowledge centre- A community for lawyers who want to make the best out of their life in and outside of the law. Listen to last week's episode here
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Personal Injury Lawyer, Leeha James. Leeha is a Brisbanite like me and this past few years has been running a successful boutique personal injury practice, helping victims of occupational cancer- often those working in the fireservice. This is such a topical area in Australia at the moment- having just come out of one of the most destructive fire seasons in our history- and until I met Leeha, I had no idea of the dangers that face the men and women that have chosen this career.
Leeha did not set out to be a lawyer and I joked with her after learning a little about her teenage adventures that she is the perfect story of #highschooldropout finds career success. But whatever her way of getting there, it is clear that Leeha loves her work and the many opportunities her career in law has given her. Aside from being a wife and mum, these days you will also find Leeha heading up the Bayside Community Legal Centre where she is volunteering in her 'free time' and giving back, as so many in our industry do. This is another great chat with someone who has worked hard, achieved great things and still has many years ahead to do a whole lot more!
In this interview, Leeha and I also chatted about-
- If Leeha was not a lawyer she would have been a florist!
- Leeha grew up in Wollongong NSW and then spent her high school years on the Gold Coast.
- Law was not on the agenda for Leeha and she started her University years completing an Arts degree.
- How Leeha fell into a Law Degree and the important of creative thinking and strategy when it comes to law.
- Leeha completed a 5 year Articles of Clerkship whilst completing her studies (and yes I took the opportunity to again mention that we need to #bringbackarticles)
- The differences between Leeha's start in the law over 20 years ago and things now.
- Leeha tells a story about a skirt and being the reason she was excluded from Court! Got to love old school law fashion!
- The generational barriers that have been broken down by women like Leeha.
- Feminism and the opportunity of choice.
- Leeha is a Plaintiff Personal Injury Lawyer and shares why she loves this area of the Law.
- 6 years ago Leeha opened her own law firm, James Law.
- Leeha's experience of starting her own (very successful) firm.
- James Law niches in the area of Occupational Cancer particulalry working with Firefighters.
- Leeha and explains how her work with Firefighters affects the community.
- How Leeha has focused on the client experience of law to build her practice.
- Leeha is a mum of two boys, both in high school and she shares her parenthood tips.
- Leeha has become the Principal Lawyer and President for Bayside Community Legal Services- a role that brings her a lot of joy.
- Leeha encourages lawyers to give back to the community throughout their legal careers.
- Leeha's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Leeha James.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Stephanie Parkin. Stephanie is a proud Aboriginal woman of the Quandamooka People of North Stradbroke Island and it is no surprise, having now learned some of her life experience, that she has taken her intellect and applied it as an advocate for her people. As a talented IP Lawyer, Stephanie now works to represent Indigenous Australian Artists in managing and promoting their work.
I learned so much from Stephanie in this conversation as she shared her perspective on the challenges we as a community and culture face in Australia today as we try and reconcile the wrongs of our past. This interview turned into a wonderful opportunity to explore some very difficult issues and I welcomed the chance to learn from Stephanie (even if I got my arrival date for good old Captain Cook about 200 years wrong!)
These days Stephanie is completing her Masters of Philosophy and Law at the Queensland University of Technology whilst working at the Copyright Agency. She is everything I love about happy lawyers and so I had to know her secret- the answer.... Curry and Netflix! A happiness ritual right there.
In this interview Stephanie and I also chatted about-
- If Stephanie was not a lawyer she would have been a professional surfer or police detective!
- Stephanie grew up in North Queensland and then on North Stradbroke Island within her aboriginal community.
- Stephanie’s involvement in the native title process and rights for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities.
- Stephanie’s tips for understanding the challenges that the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community face within the current Australian Culture.
- Reconsidering the true history of Aboriginal culture and the way we perceive our national identity.
- Stephanie's experience of growing up in her Aboriginal home of North Stradbroke Island and what her average day looked like.
- How Stephanie found herself in the Law.
- Stephanie started her legal career in the commercial space and then moved into Intellectual Property.
- At the moment, Stephanie is back at QUT studying her Masters and focuses on Inauthentic Aboriginal art and craft.
- Stephanie explains how the current Copyright Act affects Aboriginal artists and the way which she advocates for authentic artwork.
- The changes that Stephanie is working to see within Aboriginal Art and related Consumer Law.
- Stephanie assists artists in getting paid for their work as well as keeping the value of original aboriginal artwork.
- Stephanie has become the chair of the Indigenous Art Code where she governs the code between artists and wholesalers.
- The niche that Stephanie has found is a great balance between her culture and her passion.
- When Stephanie is not a lawyer she loves to visit her family over on Stradbroke Island and eat Curry!
- How Stephanie's chance encounters with like-minded mentors and passionate leaders have impacted her career.
- The future for Stephanie in and outside of the law.
- The importance of storytelling in Aboriginal culture.
- Stephanie's advice for new lawyers coming into the law.
- Stephanie's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Stephanie Parkin
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Criminal Lawyer Kerala Drew. Now Kerala is at the early stages of her law life but gee she has jammed a whole lot in already! You will tell by her accent Kerala grew up in the UK. She knew from a really young age that being a lawyer was going to be her thing. It was all lined up, degree completed at one of the top Universities in London, placements in firms and chambers and a career at the Bar was calling but then a chance trip overseas where she met her now husband and the rest is sort of history!
I loved chatting to Kerala- she is clearly a smart and capable woman and has made some courageous decisions along the way- perhaps the biggest to follow her heart, move to the other side of the world and build a life with the man of her dreams! (can you tell I liked the love story!!) But it wasn't easy and add to that mix becoming a mum, and all of a sudden there are many new hats for Kerala to manage.
This interview is a great reminder of what really matters in life-we all work so hard to achieve in our careers and that is a good thing, but when all is said and done it is the people around us, our family, that will be the source of the memories and the legacy that really matters.
In this interview Kerala Drew and I also chatted about-
- If Kerala was not a lawyer she would have been a personal trainer (and she sort of is!)
- Kerala is passionate about health, exercise and family.
- Kerala grew up in Bristol in the UK and tells us about her childhood.
- Kerala took a gap year before her legal studies and the advantages of doing this prior to starting a career in law.
- Kerala started her studies at Queen Mary University of London and continued her studies in Hong Kong.
- Kerala knew she liked arguing as an 8 year old and always knew she wanted to be a lawyer.
- Kerala’s perspective on moving countries- the joys and challenges.
- Kerala and Sean’s love story(#myfavouritebit!)
- After falling in love Kerala moved to Australia- but the career transition was anything but easy.
- The trouble that Kerala had integrating her UK legal degree and her advice to others facing this process.
- Kerala chose to volunteer her legal services which eventuated in a role now in criminal law.
- Kerala’s advice for young lawyers coming into the law.
- A day in the life Kerala - a Criminal Duty Lawyer.
- The Myth of Motherhood and the law - how Kerala manages raising her daughter in amongst a high pressure career - a village raises a child!
- Kerala tips on soaking in those 'thank you's!'
- Anger masks fear and Kerala’s experience with scared clients.
- Kerala believes in a ‘work-life-blend’ vs 'work-life-balance' and being present in whatever you are doing.
- Kerala’s tips for mothers or aspiring mothers.
- Motherhood and the law.
- Kerala's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kerala Drew
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Bronwyn Eynon-Lewis. Now right at this moment you might say that Bronwyn is not a 'lawyer' in the practicing certificate carrying sort of sense but there is no doubt she is a 'lawyer' thanks to one fascinating career that has taken her all over the world and back again!
Bronwyn like so many of my guests began her professional life as a talented musician, but fast forward a few years and she found herself off studying law before jumping on the career ladder that had her traveling and working in South East Asia. She met her husband, they had 3 kids and before you know it this super successful pair were doing all the great things they had dreamed of. But as time went on, home called and a few years ago Bronwyn and her family returned home to Brisbane and a new stage of her career has ensued!
These days Bronwyn is bringing all of her expertise having worked within business development in some of the worlds largest law firms, to now helping lawyers like you and me to start our own firms. Through her business Lacuna, Bronwyn has partnered with two other powerhouse women in Belinda Marschke and Allison Warburton to build a business that provides all the support needed for lawyers looking to make the leap and build their own practice in the law.
I loved this chat- lots of great anecdotes about life overseas (and having a baby in a taxi!) to many great tips on making a few hard decisions in life.
In this interview, Bronwyn and I also chatted about-
- If Bronwyn was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher.
- Bronwyn was born in Western NSW and attended school in a small town near Adelaide.
- She went from mastering the Piano to studying law and her journey into this contrasting career.
- Bronwyn's Aunt and Uncle are lawyers and she worked for them on the Sunshine Coast while she studied law.
- Halfway through her legal studies, Bronwyn received articles and got the role at a large law firm.
- She started her career in workers compensation, commercial and insolvency Law.
- Bronwyn's experience of working in a large firm and how she ended up in Hong Kong working for her now-husband!
- Bronwyn was based in Hong Kong for 13 years where she had her three children, including having one of her children in a Taxi!
- While working for a US firm Bronwyn sat for the New York Bar exam.
- A few days after having her second child Bronwyn went to work for White and Case in a Practice Development and Customer Relations role.
- Bronwyn's work-life balance in Australia compared to Hong Kong.
- The advantages of surrounding yourself with external help to raise your family so you can have quality time with your children.
- The stress that can come from running a house-hold and Bronwyn's choice to keep a household-manager in her life.
- Bronwyn made a choice to step out of law and become part of an Energy and Resources team as a Business Development Manager.
- I talked to Bronwyn about her transition from Hong Kong back to Australia.
- Through all of her experience in Hong Kong, Bronwyn saw how women, in particular, have trouble finding work after having children or gaps in careers.
- At the beginning of 2019, Bronwyn and Belinda Marschke (Episode 160) started Lacuna, providing back office support to law firms.
- The ups and downs of going from big law to starting your own business.
- A day in the life of Bronwyn Eynon-Lewis now.
- How we spend our time and structuring our lives around those things that bring you joy.
- Bronwyn's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Bronwyn Eynon-Lewis.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Barrister Ben McMillan. A fellow Brisbane local, Ben is another one that has had a fascinating career in the law. My favourite parts of this interview though were watching Ben's face light up as he spoke of three things- his brother, Tim, his partner, Luke, and his family of corgis!
Don't let the soft exterior confuse you though, Ben has done his fair share of difficult work in law in his time. His strength is in his varied experience at the Bar in a number of inhouse roles as a Barrister including with the Legal Services commission. He has also been involved in a number of significant Royal Commissions, Commissions of Inquiry and inquisitorial processes. From 2016 to 2017, he was Counsel Assisting the Queensland Parliamentary inquiry into Coal Workers’ Pneumoconiosis (“Black Lung” disease). He appeared as counsel (acting for the State of Queensland) in the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse and in the Queensland Organised Crime Commission of Inquiry. He also appeared as Counsel in the Barrett Adolescent Centre Commission of Inquiry and “Operation Belcarra” public hearings conducted by the Crime and Corruption Commission.
In amongst this he also enjoys a spot of Tax Law! I learned from Ben that it is the variety of work that he undertakes at the Bar that keeps him going. And his love of family and Corgis!
In this interview, Ben and I also chatted about-
- If Ben was not a lawyer he would have pursued a career in the performing arts or politics (some might say the two are the same!)
- Ben grew up in a small country town but now lives in the city and loves the contrast between the two.
- Ben started out at Melbourne University studying performing arts for a year when he made the transfer to law.
- The reason Ben chose law and his experience of study.
- Ben's brother, Tim, has cerebral palsy and when Ben turned 18 he moved to Brisbane to help care for him.
- How his relationship with his brother Tim has positively impacted on Ben's life both professionally and personally.
- Once he had moved to Brisbane Ben studied Law at UQ and became heavily involved in student government.
- After University, Ben completed his clerkship at the Commonwealth Department of Public Prosecutions (DPP).
- Ben's advice for those who are interested in advocacy and his learnings from working at the DPP.
- Ben's journey to spending time as an Associate for Justice Margaret Wilson.
- The decision to join the private Bar.
- Ben's perspective on moving to the private Bar early in his career.
- Ben's involvement in some significant matters including the Barrett Adolescent Centre Commission Inquest and managing the difficult work he has been involved in.
- The difference between empathy and sympathy and Ben's tips for managing the two.
- Ben promotes management of psychologically draining matters with variety in his work.
- When Ben is not a lawyer he enjoys walking his dogs on the beach, travelling and cooking.
- Ben does not find joy in comparison with others and shares his tips on embracing contentment.
- Ben's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Ben McMillan
It's a New Year (insert chants of 'Happy New Year' here) and I have the perfect guest to kick us into 2020! In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer and mediator Kate Clark. Now this was my second attempt at interviewing Kate as the first time round I completely mucked up our audio so I am very grateful that she came back for round 2!
Kate is everything I love about gutsy women lawyers. Having begun her career in family and criminal law she and her husband made a decision to move their family to the Sunshine Coast- you might call it a lifestyle decision- I would call it a smart life decision and it has paid off. Kate is making her law career work for her rather than the other way around. She has established a niche firm offering restorative justice mediation in criminal and family law matters- a style of practice that is being embraced worldwide for the ability to genuinely settle disputes.
And because we could we talked beach life, raising kids, the wonderful thing that is 'the juggle' and a whole lot more so sit back and enjoy the perfect interview to kickstart a new year.
In this interview, Kate and I also chatted about-
- If Kate was not a lawyer she would have been a stand-up comedian or child entertainer!
- The difference between serious and important when it comes to law.
- Kate lives in Noosa on the Sunshine Coast and loves her coffee runs.
- Growing up in Ipswich, Kate had a fulfilling childhood with lots of freedom to play outside.
- In high school, Kate first found her interest in law.
- Kate started out doing a few clerkships, including some volunteer clerkship placements and her experience in these roles.
- Kate attended Griffith University for her studies and was then lucky enough to undertake an Associate-ship with former Justice Michelle May (aka Episode 112) in the Family Court.
- After her time working at the Court, Kate worked at the Queensland Law Reform Commission before moving into private practice.
- Kate has had a series of great mentors over her time and shared some of her biggest takeaways.
- The decision to move to Noosa, opening her firm and raising a small child.
- Kate's mediation firm is unique in the fact that she works in the Criminal and Family Mediation Space conducting Restorative Justice mediation.
- The meaning of Restorative Justice Mediation and the process it takes her clients on.
- Restorative Justice vs the traditional Justice system.
- Conflict avoidance is a natural human reaction but Kate encourages her clients to stay in the conflict, be heard and listen to others.
- A week in the life of Kate Clark.
- Kate's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kate Clark.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Brisbane based Barrister, Reimen Hii. This year Reimen was the winner of the prestigious Law Council of Australia 2019 Young lawyer of the year Award for his advocacy in promoting cultural diversity in law. As an Australian with Chinese heritage, Reimen shared with me his experiences both growing up in Australia but also practicing law and why he has become an accidental diversity advocate in law.
Reimen's career was one of the most interesting I have heard on this show so far- from a year as an Associate to an internship in Cambodia and then a few more years as a Registrar in Tonga I feel like he has done it all and he is really still just beginning! But between law we also spoke family, fur babies, languages and life which all in all made for the perfect conversation to see out 2019 on this show!
In this interview, Reimen and I also chatted about-
- If Reimen was not a lawyer he would have been an interpreter and speaks Japanese, Chinese and French!
- During university Reimen studied a double degree in Art and Law with a big focus on languages.
- Reimen was born in Malaysia to Chinese parents and he shared how this background has influenced the person he is today.
- Reimen is passionate about Diversity in the Law and shares his experience of becoming one of the few barristers in Queensland with Asian heritage.
- Reimen moved to Brisbane in 1992 after some living in Papua New Guinea with his family.
- The reason that Reimen chose the law and his University experience.
- Reimen started out at Law Right, focusing on Civil and Commercial Law.
- The importance of legal mentors, many of whom are still Reimen's good friends.
- After graduating, Reimen undertook as role as an Associate at the Federal Circuit Court and focused on family and general federal law.
- His career then took him on a few exciting overseas adventures- from an internship in Cambodia to being a Registrar in Tonga!
- Reimen encourages younger lawyers to volunteer overseas as the experience he gained during this time has been invaluable.
- Having returned to Brisbane and practiced in commercial law for a few years as a Solicitor, Reimen took the leap to the Bar and is currently practicing in commercial and family law.
- The parallels between commercial law and family law.
- Reimen's experience now being a Barrister.
- Winner of the Law Council of Australia 2019 young lawyer of the year award, Reimen was selected for his advocacy in promoting cultural diversity in law.
- Reimen's involvement in the Asian Australian Lawyers Association (AALA) and his advice to younger lawyers from diverse backgrounds.
- Reimen's life outside of the law.
- Reimen's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Reimen Hii
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Sarah Ford who is a Criminal Lawyer here in Brisbane. It has been the month of women working in criminal law on this show- an area of law often not associated with women lawyers but as I learned from Melanie last week and Sarah this week- this is a space that is fast attracting many women lawyers.
Sarah is a powerhouse of energy- which was a good thing for me, as the afternoon we recorded this interview I was fast contemplating leaving the law again and opening that florist! She reminded me of the bits of law land that I enjoy and had me smiling along with her stories too. Sarah has also this past year shared her own story of freezing her eggs- like so many professional women she is balancing her desire to have children with building her career- Sarah explains her decision to freeze some eggs and what that involved (it was much more complex than I thought!)
Sarah is a happy lawyer and I find out just why- a focus on health, strong relationships and rituals that ensure she can separate her work life from her home life seem to be the key!
- If Sarah was not a lawyer she would have been an actor on 'Home and Away'!
- In high school, Sarah decided on a legal career rather than a career in the performing arts.
- Sarah grew up in Lismore, only 20 minutes away from when I grew up in Northern NSW.
- Sarah's father was also a lawyer so the law was always an attractive prospect.
- Studying a double degree in Journalism and Law.
- Sarah's experience of living on campus during her University years.
- Sarah tells us how she came to love Criminal Law as she completed her practical subjects at Legal Aid.
- Court appearances have become a joy for Sarah (and in part because of the excuse to run into her colleagues in the city!)
- Sarah's partner is a personal trainer and she has become an advocate for health and fitness.
- The emotional turmoil that Sarah has seen her clients get through and how she aims to help them through a difficult time.
- Creating boundaries with criminal law clients.
- Sarah's perception of urgency in law land and how she manages outside expectations.
- Sarah tells us what it takes to become a good Criminal Lawyer.
- The perception of female criminal lawyers and the importance of 'finding your tribe'.
- Sarah's involvement with the Women Lawyers Association Queensland (WLAQ) and the support this network provides.
- Sarah is passionate about egg freezing and shares with us why she has started talking about this aspect of her personal life.
- The future for Sarah both in and outside of the law.
- Collegiality in Brisbane compared to other cities in Australia.
- Court appearance tips for us all!
- Sarah's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Sarah Ford
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Criminal Lawyer, Melanie Morris. Now we did talk a little about law in this interview- Melanie's day job as a disciplinary and criminal lawyer-but to be honest we spoke a whole lot more about life! Melanie, like so many of us, is navigating a senior role in her firm with raising two very young kids and as the first woman in such a role in her firm to try and do both, she is paving the way for those coming after her! How is she doing it? I have concluded really well and it sounds like the approach of her colleagues and Partners and Gilshenan and Luton has a lot to do with why it is working too!
Melanie and I also shared stories about singing and dancing (yes another performer on the show!) and her childhood experience of growing up with Chinese and Malay heritage and the intolerance Melanie had to overcome. This was another beautiful conversation and a reminder that we are all doing our best to make it all work from career, to family to friends and of course for our clients.
In this interview, Melanie and I also chatted about-
- If Melanie was not a lawyer she would be on stage dancing and singing in musicals.
- Melanie grew up in Newcastle until the age of 10 and then moved to sunny Brisbane.
- Melanie tells us the first moment she realised she wanted to become a lawyer while she watched her Uncle in Court.
- Melanie's mother is Malaysian-Chinese and her father is Australian.
- The experience of growing up in a multi-cultural family and attending school and some of the racism that Melanie had to overcome.
- Melanie studied at QUT in a double degree of journalism and law.
- After Melanie graduated, she started practicing in criminal law at Legal Aid.
- Melanie's experience of working in criminal law and how it changed her perspective.
- Gender balance (and inbalance!) in the workplace.
- Melanie has successfully blended motherhood with being a criminal lawyer and shares her tips.
- The challenges of being a parent, as well as the joy it brings to Melanie.
- Standards of parenthood we place on ourselves and the guilt that sometimes comes with balancing work and family.
- The importance of kindness in and outside of law land.
- When Melanie is not being a lawyer she's relaxing or creating her own artwork.
- Melanie is grateful for good health and wonderful hospitals here in Australia.
- A day in the life of a criminal and occupational disciplinary lawyer.
- Melanie's experience of arranging flexible work hours in her firm.
- Melanie's advice for a younger lawyer coming into law.
- Tips for Women in law looking to start a family.
- We discuss brain science and how our thoughts impact how we feel.
- Melanie's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Melanie Morris
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Sydney Barrister, Talitha Fishburn. I found Talitha thanks to the world of Instagram and have followed her daily adventures for a while so it was truly lovely to meet her in person and learn so much more about her life in and outside of law!
Talitha these days spends her time as a busy commercial Barrister, practicing out of Sydney and while we chatted about her experience in this role, it was Talitha's life outside of the law that had me intrigued- from orchestras to choirs to community- I sense Talitha has found her 'balance' between her high pressure day job and creative hobbies and passions.
I was again reminded in this conversation of the importance of finding your people- whether that be through an orchestra or choir- and why community can truly build happiness for us all.
In this interview, Talitha and I also chatted about-
- If Talitha was not a lawyer she would have followed a media or musical path.
- The correlation between law and the performing arts.
- Neuroscience and how music activates certain areas of the brain.
- Talitha grew up in 90 minutes south of Sydney and loved growing up in the country side.
- Talitha's journey into law and her experience of attending the University of Sydney and staying on campus.
- The importance of friendships, connections and relationships both in and outside of the law.
- Talitha completed the first year of her summer clerkship in Hong Kong.
- Talitha started her career in capital market law and then moved into the litigation space for her second year of law.
- Talitha took a secondment to Westpac and gained a huge amount of confidence through this process.
- Talitha explains the advantage of working in non-legal sectors of business.
- The sustainability (or perhaps unsustainability) of working long hours and Talitha's perspective on how this affects your physical and mental health.
- Talitha talks about the correlation between big hours and the rates of burnout.
- How Talitha became a Barrister and her experience of the process.
- Talitha now practices mainly in Civil and Commercial areas of law.
- Statistics of Women on the Bar and why all of this matters.
- Gender and cultural disparity in the law and Talitha's view on the topic.
- Parenting and the law - how it is possible for mothers to also be lawyers!
- The future for Talitha.
- Talitha is a balanced and content lawyer and she tells how she keeps this balance going in her life.
- Talitha is passionate about community and believes a community can only be gained through contribution and conversation.
- Talitha's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Talitha Fishburn
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing M&A lawyer Adelyn Koh. Adelyn began her life (and law life) growing up in Malaysia. She knew from a young age law was to be her thing and before she knew it, she was there. But a chance opportunity had her and her now husband taking a chance and moving across from Malaysia to Sydney. A job in a top tier firm EY, living in a beautiful city- it would be easy to think Adelyn had it all sorted but I fast learned in this interview that her experiences in transitioning from practicing in Malaysia to be accepted in Sydney were anything but easy. Adelyn's honesty in this conversation around her own lived experience in facing and pushing through the bamboo ceiling were a stark reminder to me of the bias that exists in our industry and more broadly in our society.
When she is not running around being a lawyer, Adelyn is a wife and mum to two gorgeous kids. She also spoke very openly about her own experience managing post natal depression. Adelyn's openness in this conversation is heartwarming. As Adelyn wisely said- it is how we bounce back from our struggles that defines us- and as you will hear, Adelyn has been determined to not let the challenges she has faced stand in her way.
In this interview, Adelyn and I also chatted about-
- Adelyn always wanted to be a lawyer!
- Adelyn grew up in Malaysia which is where she completed her legal training.
- Currently living in Sydney, Adelyn shared some insights into life in Malaysia vs life in Australia.
- The day to day life of living in Malaysia and the expectations for lawyers.
- Adelyn's experience of moving to Sydney and the challenges she faced during the transition.
- Unconscious bias and Adelyn's perspective of bias in Law Land.
- The benefits of culturally diverse workplaces.
- Adelyn is a mother of two young children and how she manages her work and life.
- Mergers and acquisitions are Adelyn's area of expertise and she explains what that means for her day to day law life.
- Some of the challenges that come with being a leader, lawyer and mother.
- Adelyn gracefully shares her experiences with Post Natal Depression.
- The importance of a family support network and the challenges that come from moving countries away from that network.
- Normalising depression as well as breaking stereotypes in the legal industry.
- How you bounce back from your struggles defines who you are.
- Adelyn's predictions for the future of law.
- Adelyn's approach to feedback and differing leadership styles.
- Humanity is a skillset that is irreplaceable in law land.
- A day in the life of Adelyn Koh.
- In Adelyn's spare time she loves yoga and, in contrast, kick boxing.
- Adelyn's advice for young lawyers coming into the legal profession.
- Adelyn's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Adelyn Koh
A few weeks ago I found myself in Sydney and so managed to squeeze in a 'day of podcasting' while I was there! As a result, you will find a good few Sydneysiders hitting the airwaves over the next few weeks and it all begins with one really wonderful family lawyer in Antonella Sanderson. Antonella has had no easy run in 'law land'- having started her own practice when her daughter was only 9 months of age, she has never known much but The Juggle. But Antonella has an outlook on life that resonated with me- she has a beautiful saying 'Be a cat- land on your feet and keep running.' I think that saying really sums her up- no matter life's ups and downs she just keeps going and I suspect that mindset has kept her in good stead.
These days Antonella can be found running her practice, Family Law Matters, from beautiful Cronulla. When she is not volunteering her time for the Law Society of NSW she is mentoring and teaching students and early career lawyers and in her 'free' time you might just find her with her camera taking the most beautiful landscape shots. This was a beuatiful real chat about the ups and downs of life in and outside of the law but I was reminded none of us are alone in that experience.
In this interview, Antonella and I also chatted about-
- If Antonella was not a lawyer she would have been a performer in the creative arts.
- Antonella decided to become a lawyer at a young age after experiencing her parents divorce.
- After finding a full-time family law position, Antonella switched to part-time study and learnt a lot on the job.
- Antonella made a move to the Women's Legal Resources Centre after becoming pregnant with her first child.
- Antonella's daughter arrived 10 weeks early and Antonella fast found herself running a family law advice line from the hospital!
- The pregnancy factor and the lack of communication around what to expect when falling pregnant.
- When her daughter was 9 months old Antonella started her own law practice, Family Law Matters.
- Antonella's life outlook of 'Be a cat- land on your feet and keep running.' (I love this motto!)
- Antonella's practice has now been running from Cronulla 10 years and focuses solely on family law.
- The changes Antonella has seen in the Collaborative Practice and Mediation space.
- The importance of having a Collaborative Practice Community when working in Family Law.
- Communicating with colleagues - letter writing vs picking up the phone.
- Antonella's perspective on the human element of law and the acknowledgement of hurt during sepration.
- Political influence and government funding when relating to separation and the changes that need to happen.
- Antonella's tips on managing the juggle of family and work.
- As a photographer, Antonella uses her talents as a way to de-stress and making time to enjoy creative outlets.
- Antonella's daughter has struggled with mental health and how she has helped her daughter overcome these battles.
- Mental health and the impact it has had on Antonella.
- Antonella's 'family encouragement mirror whiteboard' concept- this is another thing I am 'borrowing' from Antonella!
- Antonella's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Antonella Sanderson.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing commercial lawyer, Paul Betros. Now this really is a conversation like no other. There I was thinking I would be learning just what life is like working as a partner in one of Australia's most successful large firms but as you are about to discover, Paul's life adventures have taken him on a journey no one would wish upon anyone!
2011 was a year of incredible challenge for Paul and his family. Firstly the Brisbane floods, secondly learning of their son's disability and then finally Paul found himself fighting for his life after a rare and unexpected health event. Paul speaks openly about the impact of these events on him, his family and his colleagues. We now know they all found their way through but life will never be the same again and Paul might say that is a good thing.
This conversation was a beautiful reminder to me that we never really know what is going on in another person's life, that happiness is a choice we make and that no matter what life throws at us, we just have to 'keep swimming'!
In this interview, Paul and I also chatted about-
- If Paul was not a lawyer he would have been a journalist.
- Paul grew up in Toowoomba and shares a few of his memories of his childhood.
- How Paul found his way into law land and his first few years of practising in Toowoomba.
- How Paul found himself practicing in commercial litigation.
- Paul gets a lot of joy from the problem-solving aspect of commercial law.
- Paul's family- his marriage to Camilla and why he priorities family.
- The difference between 'serious' and 'important' in the context of law land.
- In 2011 life changed profoundly for Paul. He shares how three separate incidents changed his perspective.
- The impact of Paul's medical issues had on those closest to Paul, including his colleagues.
- How Paul's outlook on life has changed through his experience and what life looks like today.
- Paul learnings as a result of his significant health challenge.
- Paul's view that the foundation of a happy personal life leads to a happy career.
- Paul's predictions for the legal industry.
- Paul's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with the inspirational Paul Betros.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I chatted with Belinda Marschke who is not really a lawyer....! So what does an Accountant have to say about happiness in law? Well a whole lot when they are married to a lawyer, work in 2 legal start-ups and previously have been the CFO of a large law firm!
Belinda is an Accountant but has spent much of her career working with lawyers and for the past year has been working with 2 of her lawyer friends, through the business Lacuna Legal Providers- providing 'back of house' support to solo and small law firms. Belinda is also running the multidisciplinary tax consultancy business, DBM Horizons with her husband David so I am still trying to work out how she has any time for her life outside of all of this law!!
I found Belinda's insights on the similarities and differences between lawyers and accountants really interesting too and she had so many great tips on balancing career and family, finding your own success and of course happiness!
I have concluded we need more accountants on this show!
In this interview, Belinda and I also chatted about-
- If Belinda was not an accountant she would have been a teacher.
- Belinda has been married to a lawyer for 22 years and has been working with lawyers for the last 10 years.
- The decision to start Lacuna this last year.
- The planning that is needed to start a law firm and how Lacuna helps lawyers do this.
- How Belinda ended up in business with her friends and colleagues Allison Warburton and Bronwyn Eynon-Lewis.
- The difference between lawyers and accountants and 'everyone else' and the commonalities we share as professionals.
- Belinda grew up in Harvey Bay and is now based in Brisbane.
- Belinda studied her Bachelor of business through external studies (before the internet! imagine!), all while gaining experience at an accounting firm.
- Belinda's life working in large accounting practices and her decision to move into law.
- Belinda's experience of working in a law firm and her challenging first day.
- The contrast between Big Law Firms and Big Accounting Firms.
- Partnerships and Belinda's perspective on this business model used by lawyers.
- The decision to start their own firm and how Belinda and her husband, David, came to this point.
- The advantages of working from home and the changes it has made in Belinda and David's life.
- The importance of learning the business side of law and learning from each other.
- Belinda's happiness journey which includes setting up her combination legal and accounting firm.
- The advantages of outsourcing and being smart with your time and abilities.
- Belinda's tips for creating your own happiness journey - attitude with a capital A!
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Belinda Marschke.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful Santhoshi Watapuluwa. Santhoshi began her career in her home country of Sri Lanka studying law, opening a firm and overcoming I suspect many hurdles in doing so.
As her family moved to Australia in search of a better life, Santhoshi had a whole new set of challenges to overcome, having to rebuild her career in a jurisdiction quite different to the one that she had begun her career in.
Santhoshi is the last to tell us the full extent of the challenges she faced in doing this and it is no doubt her attitude and positive mindset that has enabled her to continue to run a firm in her home country of Sri Lanka whilst raising her family, supporting her husband and building her own career in Australia. I have come to conclude that Santhoshi is a true trailblazer in law. To build a career as a woman in a country that is new and different takes a special set of courage and bravery and in this interview, I explore with Santhoshi just what that has meant to her.
In this interview, Santhoshi and I also chatted about-
- If Santhoshi was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher.
- Santhoshi wore a traditional Sari and we discussed her Sri Lankan roots.
- Despite it being fairly uncommon in Sri Lanka in the 80s, Santhoshi was encouraged by her family to study law and become a lawyer.
- The differences between University study in Sri Lanka and Australia.
- Santhoshi's experience growing up in Sri Lanka.
- Some more differences between our two countries, particularly with family, the independence children have and women in the legal system.
- The relationship that Santhoshi's children have with her extended family.
- Santhoshi first job in Law and her apprenticeship (articles) experience.
- The reason that Santhoshi originally moved to Australia 13 years ago.
- Santhoshi's connection with Sri Lanka and commuting back and forth as she continues to run her law firm there.
- Santhoshi has been 'new law lawyer' for longer than all of us!
- The way in which Santhoshi manages her staff and the independence and trust she places in her leadership team.
- Discrimination and Santhoshi's perspective on this tricky topic.
- Santhoshi means happy! She uses her smile to break barriers both with clients and other lawyers.
- The strong men that have influenced Santhoshi over her lifetime.
- Family roles and the role of the modern mother.
- Santhoshi's Happiness Tip!
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Santhoshi Watapuluwa
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the lovely Sara Kowal who travelled all the way from Melbourne for this interview. Sara began life as a criminal lawyer and she still 'twilights' in this role but this past few years she has really found her thing now leading Monash University's Capital Punishment Impact Initiative. This is a fitting interview for this week- it is mental health week worldwide and there are so many parts of Sara's story that are a reminder that every challenge really is an opportunity. Sara is a mother to 4 and somewhere in there appeared twins! That triggered Sara experiencing post-natal depression, a period in her life she speaks openly of in this interview as one of the most difficult but ironically, the thing that triggered a career pivot and enabled Sara to find her thing- her way of leaving her mark on the world.
Sara now leads an anti-death penalty clinic at Monash University and is the Vice-President of the Capital Punishment Justice Project (formerly Reprieve Australia), an NGO solely focussed on the abolition of the death penalty. Sara leads teams of students as they assist with capital punishment cases and advocacy in the Asia Pacific Region. This is a project and work that is so needed the world over and I loved the chance to hear how Sara and many others are using their skills as lawyers each day to tackle such an important issue.
In this interview, Sara and I also chatted about-
- If Sara was not a lawyer she would have been a social worker.
- We discussed creating boundaries to be able to work on difficult cases.
- Sara's experience of articles including being thrown in the deep end on a murder trial.
- Sara was born and bred in Melbourne and started her studies at Melbourne University doing an arts degree.
- After a couple of years at University, Sara took a gap year in Israel learning Hebrew and finding her roots.
- The advantages Sara experienced by starting her legal career just a little 'later' in life.
- Sara's career in Criminal Law.
- The gendered nature of crime and Sara's perspective having worked in the justice system for nearly 20 years.
- Sara is a mother and she shares her experience of postnatal depression.
- Sara's journey back into law land, all while balancing 3 children.
- How Sara become involved in the Anti-Death Penalty Clinic and what is involved in this role.
- Sara does a fair amount of her casework with students and her opinion of studying lawyers.
- Worldwide death penalty statistics and the help that is needed in this important area.
- Since 2001 Sara's office has been sending students to the USA through the Capital Punishment Justice Program (CPJP).
- The CPJP works with volunteers, interns, and students to develop legal and policy solutions regarding Capital Punishment.
- In 2018, CPJP started a partnership with Monash University to create the Anti-Death Penalty Institute.
- Sara's experience of parenthood and the huge importance of sleep in all of our lives.
- How each of us can make an impact through our work each day.
- World issues and our perception of the highs and lows in our society.
- Sara's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Sara Kowal.
This week's episode of the Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast is a little unusual in that it is my first #soloshow! Now I wish I could tell you this was a well planned trial of something new but truthfully it is getting tricky to fit these in person interviews in between my daily life as a lawyer and as much as I could move to phone/ skype interviews, the thing I have come to love about this show is the in person interview- the sitting with people, in real life and unraveling their stories! And so while the limited hours in the day has meant that I am a little behind in my recordings I decided I would take this chance to grab the microphone and #gosolo!
This past few months I have also been working away on version 2 of my book 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life'. It is 3 years now since I published version 1 and I have learned so much since. So I am taking the opportunity in this episode to share with you a few of my learnings of late, some of the tools I am using both within my firm but also more generally in life to generate happiness and my suggestions for 'where to from here' when it comes to the wellness conversation in our profession.
It intrigues me no end that we lawyers, the most educated and in many respects privileged in society, are still struggling with some of the structures within our profession that underpin our unhappiness. It is almost ironic, as if we can't change them then who really can! So this week I am sharing why I think Marie Kondo and her purposeful art of #sparkingjoy may hold the answer for us all.
In this episode, I share 3 big influences on my thinking at the moment;
- The work of American designer Ingrid Fetell Lee and her book, 'Joyful' and Ted talk, 'Where joy hides and how to find it'; and
- Marie Kondo and her ideals of how we can choose whether the things around us "Spark Joy" in our lives; and
- My third big influence at the moment is all of you!
- I reflect on some of the connections I have made over the last year and the impact of giving value to happiness in a profession that historically has not really created space for such things.
- The impact of my communities, like The Club and the 7 Day Happiness Challenge.
Shake it off - Is confetti the answer to the modern lawyer's problems? Well I think it is!
- We need to be clear on the challenges that our profession faces and work out what is within our control to change and what is not.
- We can change some of the biggest drivers of stress and unhappiness- billable hours, overworking and workplace culture.
- The challenge of 'the other lawyer' and the power that comes, both in the good and bad.
- We need to acknowledge that a good lawyer is kind, considerate, calm and compassionate
- Understanding the impact of the space around us and how it makes us feel.
- Is there really such thing as a "Happy Lawyer" and what my learnings have been since starting The Happy Family Lawyer Blog.
- The reason I always focus on health as the first driver of happiness.
- Asking myself the question, 'Does ____ spark joy in me'. If it does not it goes!
- Change what we think AND what we do if we want to feel differently.
- Whether it be yoga at lunch or indoor plants, we have to invest time into sparking joy.
- Finally, we get to talk about the confetti! If the law was a colour what would be - grey right? Why is this?
- My observations of colour, sound and scent both in and outside my office.
- How we can influence our teams and my confetti challenge for your colleagues.
- My Happiness Tip for this week.
Sit back, throw some confetti and spark some joy!
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of hanging out with Barrister Nola Pearce. From Surf Boats to secret agents to health and gratitude this interview had a bit of everything and so many great tips on happiness along the way too.
Nola knew from the age of 7 that she wanted to be a Barrister and these days that is exactly what she does. But her path to the Bar has involved many interesting roles as she has built her knowledge and found her 'thing' in law land. Nola works primarily in the areas of professional liability and disciplinary proceedings for professionals in an array of professional areas. This is a niche that I didn't know too much about and one that Nola has fast built a strong practice in, both as a solicitor and more recently as a Barrister.
Despite her obvious capabilities as a lawyer, what I came to learn about Nola in this interview was a whole lot more. Her deep sense of purpose, her fun outlook on even the more mundane parts of life and of course how health and fitness are her secret weapon to her success. And when I say health and fitness we are not talking daily walks! Nola is a talented rower from still water rowing to Surf Boats meaning early mornings and strenuous training but a routine that she credits to so much of her own success in and outside of her career.
In this interview, Nola and I also chatted about-
- If Nola was not a lawyer she may have been a secret agent!
- Nola had to make a decision between the law and medicine and why she chose the Law (including advice from at friend at age 7).
- Nola was born a Brisbane girl and now resides on the Gold Coast.
- The role of fitness in Nola's life and her time spent rowing a boat over the surf!
- Nola's day to day needs to include a run and a good amount of sleep.
- Nola started her studies at the University of Queensland with a double degree in Political Science and Law.
- How Nola found her passion for the law and how she found the application vs the study of law.
- Nola started articles halfway through her degree and then spent many years working in a disciplinary area of the law.
- Nola always had aspirations to become a barrister and she tells us her journey to The Bar.
- Nola's first year in the Bar on Level 27.
- Generosity of both time and resources within the members of the Bar.
- Nola's experience of being an Advocate vs being a Solicitor.
- Where Nola finds her happiness in her work.
- Women in the legal workforce and defining personal success.
- The stigma of success in the law and Nola's perspective on this matter.
- Nola's experience of self care and her tips for looking after yourself.
- The percentages of Men and Women in the Bar as well as inequitable briefing policies.
- Nola's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Nola Pearce.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of hanging out with lawyer/ athlete/ now finance guru Leigh McBean. Now if ever there was an example of the saying 'there are many ways to be a lawyer' Leigh is it! He didn't set out to be a lawyer and in fact was a professional athlete- being a part of the Australian swimming team before an injury pushed those dreams aside before he had really even had a chance to chase them. And so a few fork in the road moments led to Leigh studying law and finance and practicing law on the Gold Coast before taking some time to undertake a Masters that has fast led to his role in business now with 'RateSetter'.
This conversation has a bit of everything- from law to much on life to chasing dreams, to losing those dreams and rebuilding yourself thereafter. We talked family, 'the juggle' and the differing pressures on men and women in business. So much of Leigh's outlook on life resonated with me and I know you will take something from this interview too.
In this interview, Leigh and I also chatted about-
- If Leigh was not a lawyer he would have been an engineer.
- Leigh was born in Geelong and grew up on the Gold Coast.
- Some of Leigh's favourite memories from his childhood were his connection to the bush and the ocean.
- Completing a double degree in finance and law through Bond University.
- Leigh was a practicing lawyer and shares his journey into law land.
- Influences in Leigh's legal life and the effect his associates had 0n his career path.
- The industry standard of emails and communication between lawyers and changes that need to happen.
- Leigh's perspective on juggling life and the law.
- Leigh's was a high-level swimmer and unfortunately had an injury which pushed him out of the sport well before he had hoped.
- Overcoming hardship and starting something new.
- The correlation between sport and the law.
- Leigh's passion for sports was transferred into his legal career.
- Leigh's advice for those considering a change in their career.
- The advantages of being on Boards to broaden horizons.
- The start of Leigh's career in finance through 'Rate Setter'.
- Leigh passion of creating a service that helps the lawyer and client manage fees.
- How Rate Setter works and the advantages it has for legal clients.
- Leigh's passion for people drives him to make a difference, for him, this is through finance.
- Leigh's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Leigh McBean.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Hannah Daley a family lawyer with a side love of all things singing, dancing and musical theatre! I first met Hannah a few year's ago when she joined the cast for my last charity Pantomime (that is a story for another day!) and I can tell you- Hannah is an all round singing/ dancing and acting star so it is no surprise to me that her decision between the performing arts and law was a tough one to make.
These days Hannah is a family lawyer here in Brisbane and a strong advocate for young lawyers in our profession. Having been a Board Member of the Qld Young Lawyers for many years now, Hannah has a good sense of the challenges facing new lawyers and graduates as well as the employers hiring them. Hannah shared many great tips in this interview that will be really helpful for anyone starting out in their legal career.
When it comes to happiness it is the simple things that keep Hannah going- her friends and family, dancing and I suspect some singing in the shower too! This was a fun conversation and a great reminder once again that there is no one way to kick start your career in law and what matters is finding your way.
In this interview, Hannah and I also chatted about-
- If Hannah was not a lawyer she would have been in musical theatre.
- Hannah grew up in the small town of Warrick.
- Hannah's legal studies teacher sparked her interest in the law and she went on to Study Law at QUT.
- Completing a dual degree in law and journalism and the advantages of taking both.
- Hannah was attracted to the human element of family law as well as criminal law.
- Hannah completed her post-grad placement at the now Naughton McCarthy where she continues to practice today.
- Hannah took a 'sabbatical' and spent time as an Associate after 2 years of practice in family law.
- Hannah's time on appeals in Family Court working with Justice Michael Kent.
- A day in the life of Hannah the family lawyer.
- As an active board member for Qld Young Lawyers Hannah was recently involved in a 'Confidence in the courtroom workshop' and her advice for new lawyers preparing matters for the court.
- Taking the time to share aspirations with others both in and outside of the law.
- Hannah's perspective on the issues facing the young lawyers of this tine.
- The power of sharing your career aspirations with senior solicitors and the commitment from both sides to mentor our junior lawyers.
- When she is not 'being a lawyer' how Hannah spends her time.
- Hannah's involvement in Queensland Young Lawyers and the advantage of having open discussions with fellow lawyers.
- The importance of committees and giving your time to others to help their careers.
- Hannah's tips for new lawyers coming into practice.
- Hannah's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Hannah Daley.
This week's episode is a special one for me! I got to hang out with a lawyer I have come to know and love this past year in Cara Austen. Now putting Cara in a box and giving her a label as to just what sort of lawyer she is is itself a trick! This year Cara has been busily building her own practice in Grafton a town in the Northern Rivers of NSW where she is specialising in working with food and agriculture businesses. All of that will make so much sense when you hear the amazing and interesting path that Cara's law career has taken her on.
Now you do need to know that Cara is one fun, vibrant and determined woman! Law may not have been her first choice, or even her second but she found her way there and hasn't looked back. Her career has taken her all over the world- literally- and she is a self confessed law nerd! Having spent much of her career working in in-house roles all over Asia and Sydney, Cara has a deep love of the business of law and I think I can say this is in part what drove her decision to pivot this year and build her own unique practice.
The decision to leave her busy life in Sydney and relocate with her family to Grafton is the perfect Sea Change. At the time I am sending this interview live, Cara is only moments away from having her second child and like so many of us, is determined to find a way to ensure her career and her life outside of the law can work together! This is where her new business Twine comes in and already Cara is building an innovative practice that services businesses all over Australia from the comfort of her home office.
In this interview, Cara Austen and I also chatted about-
- If Cara was not a lawyer she would have been in the business world in some way.
- Cara grew up in Penrith, Sydney and after graduating high school joined the army! Yes the army!
- After Cara decided that the military was not for her she started to follow in her grandmother's footsteps of becoming a lawyer.
- Cara enrolled in the University of New England, and started her double degree in Arts and Law.
- Although her family still lived in Sydney, Cara moved to Armidale, New South Wales to attend University on campus to gain some independence.
- Halfway through her degree Cara moved to Canada for a year and her love for all things international was sparked.
- Cara started her legal career in Canberra having the chance to enjoy a few different roles in the public service.
- After graduation, Cara worked in private practice in contractual law, tax law and IT law and is a self confessed 'law nerd'.
- Cara moved to Singapore to work for a Japanese company where she fast learned just how different business in another culture can be!
- Living and working in Singapore as an expat and lawyer.
- Making assumptions in the law.
- Being a white woman living in Asia and how this affected Cara's career.
- Cara's decision to move back to Australia after the birth of her first child.
- Cara started working for a US multinational and her experience of moving from a Japanese corporation to a US corporation.
- Working remotely for an international business- how it worked for Cara and her team.
- Cara's decision to move to Grafton and establish her own firm- Twine Business and Law.
- Cara's predictions for the next year both in and outside of the law.
- Cara's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Cara Austen.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Barrister Jen Sheean. I love a good chat with our Barrister friends- I am coming to learn that they tend to be a cohort of deep thinkers, problem solvers and lovers of the legal geek part of the law! And Jen was all of those things and so much more. Jen's 'Law Land' life has not necessarily been a traditional one- like for so many of us 'life' has at times meant that her 'law life' took some unexpected turns but for a long time she knew that life at the Bar was where she wanted to be and in this chat she shared with me the fun she has had as she found her way there.
Jen's sage advice throughout this interview on overcoming challenge, seeing good in the world and never giving up on your dreams rang true with me and had me smiling along with her. Another great lawyer doing great things with a fascinating life story to go with it all!
In this interview, Jen and I also chatted about-
- If Jen was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher of any sort!
- The reason that Jen loves to teach and see people grow.
- Jen grew up on the Northside of Brisbane and shares her memories of this time in her life.
- The story behind how Jen found herself in Law, including starting out at secretarial college.
- Finding the theory behind the practice of law and the different learning styles of lawyers.
- Having to chose between becoming a Judge's associate and travelling the world- it was an easy choice in the end!
- Jen's experience working in the NSW Court of Appeals with some legendary Judges (including my favourite Rockstar of law the Hon. Michael Kirby (listen to his episode here)
- Jen is passionate about advocacy and this led her to become a barrister.
- Jen's time in Chile and while raising two young children.
- Jen moved into a full-time lecturer at the College of Law teaching legal subjects across the board.
- Jen's transition to the Bar- the Bar Practice Course and all things in Barrister land!
- Jen's focus as a Barrister is family and estate law.
- The pro's (and cons) of working at the Bar from Jen's perspective.
- Learning for the sake of learning.
- Happiness in 'Law Land' and how Jen has managed her happiness in law through some of the more challenging times.
- Jen's parenting tips for teenagers!
- Jen's love for the law has always stemmed from her love of people.
- Jen's future in law and her predictions for the future for our profession more generally.
- Jen's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Jen Sheean.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of hanging out in a ballgown, pre-awards dinner with the wonderful Carly Stebbing. Carly is an employment lawyer by day- running her own award winning Boutique Practice Resolution123- and by every other minute is a mum, wife and devotee of all things family. I have come to know Carly this past year thanks to the inter-webs where she is a regular supporter of so many of us in the law that are looking to do things differently. A few years ago Carly took a courageous step herself to create her own practice with nothing more than $6,000 and a whole lot of determination and fast forward a few years she now employs her husband and many others and is fast building a practice that is providing the best of legal services but also a flexible work culture and cost effective solutions for her clients.
As a specialist employment lawyer, Carly is passionate about ensuring that access to legal advice and assistance is not beyond the reach of any employee. From an easy to access app to full service bespoke solutions, Carly and her team have built an employment last firm for the future- and I suspect the fun has just begun!
Carly and I also spoke about-
- If Carly was not a lawyer she still would have been an employment lawyer.... or perhaps a Vet!
- Carly grew up in South West Sydney and enjoyed the multicultural aspect of this part of Sydney.
- We discussed Carly's journey into a brand new University following high school.
- Carly's experience of living with family in Italy, while she deferred from her double degree of Business and Law.
- The advantage of taking some time to find yourself.
- How Carly started in employment law.
- Employer and Employee law- which Carly prefers and why.
- Why Carly started her own firm, Resolution 123, in 2017.
- How Carly's passion to help those who need but cannot afford legal services has driven much of her innovation.
- Discussing the question, 'If you weren't afraid what would you do?' and how Carly has used this question to push her own decision making.
- Tech startup communities and their influence on Carly's experience of starting her own business to solve client problems.
- Creating a business for balance and Carly's advice to those wanting some balance in their career.
- The idea of flexibility for lawyers and if it is attainable.
- How Carly's family life has changed since she started her business.
- Women and men's rights in the workforce when talking about paid parental leave.
- Carly's tips for living, working and starting a business as a woman in a large city.
- Carly's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Carly Stebbing.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Erin Walford- an all round pizza loving Senior Legal Counsel at Dominos Pizza here in Brisvegas! I have come to conclude that Erin has one of the most enjoyable jobs in law land- I mean she really does get to make (and eat!) pizza for a living. But on a more serious note, Erin has built a very successful career in law through consistent learning and growth.
When Erin is not making pizza or at least doing all the legal bits that enable Dominos to do all that it does, she is running around being a mum and had some great tips on how she manages the ever talked about 'juggle'. I love the chance to catch Erin on the show this week. We have tried for almost 12 months now to make this interview happen and I really resonated with many of the tips Erin shared on managing the competing pressure of our profession, with her family, passions and everything else she is managing to fit in. There is a lot in this interview that I think we can all take on board when it comes to building happiness in our careers.
In this interview Erin and I also chatted about-
- If Erin was not a lawyer she would have been a Grandmother (according to her 6 year old self) or Marine Biologist.
- Erin grew up in the Whitsundays, QLD with a family of small business owners.
- Erin moved to Brisbane at the age of 16 and completed her law and business degree.
- Erin first role in the law.
- Salaries and the expectations of a graduate lawyer.
- Erin started her legal career in insurance law which was followed by property law and finally, she landed in franchising law.
- Erin's experience in Nashville (yes the USA) including loving country music.
- Becoming a mother as a lawyer and how the balance between the two roles can be found.
- Erin's role at Dominos.
- Erin explains the structure of a senior in-house counsel and the aspects of her role she loves.
- The reason that she loves to serve pizza in-store, and on her own time!
- Customer service is a passion for Erin and she shared with me just how that has really helped her in her legal career.
- A day in the life of Erin Walford.
- Having the right support network, not only in the family but in law, is very important to Erin.
- This year, Erin was part of the Dancing CEO's and won the community awareness award after her many months of incredible fundraising and campaigning for the Women's legal service .
- The next steps for Erin in and outside of the law.
- What Erin would say to anyone considering an in-house legal role.
- Erin's advice for applying for jobs and how to best prepare for an interview.
- Changing our language around difficult situations and being intentional about our own thinking.
- Erin's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Erin Walford
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Clara Eve. Now Clara at the time of our interview was sort of based in Sydney but I suspect at the time you find yourself listening to this episode, she may have already spread her entrepreneurial wings and headed off to enjoy the next stage of her law life adventure overseas! Clara happened to be visiting Brisbane so I took the opportunity to sit her down. Having followed her new project @lawforthelay on Instagram for a little while now, I loved this chance to meet Clara in person and learn just how she is turning her side hustle into her main hustle!
Clara grew up in country NSW. She, like so many of my guests, has a love of performing arts which she pursued at high school and still dabbles in today. Her initial studies in marketing and communication and law are now all coming together as she is building her own business while consulting to other firms on law of course but also marketing and communications including copy writing.
Clara is another guest that reminded me of one of my favourite sayings- there are so many ways to be a lawyer! Clara may have had a traditional start to her career in law land but I am pretty confident she is about to embark on something quite different as she takes her law career on an around the world adventure!
In this interview, Clara and I also chatted about-
- If Clara was not a lawyer she would be a fitness instructor.
- Clara grew up in country NSW and the contrast of pace between her hometown and Sydney where she lives now.
- How Clara found law after completing her degree in Marketing and Communication at Woolongong University.
- Clara had a passion for drama in high school and is very connected to the creative arts (and being active!)
- Clara's journey into law land and how she came to focus on consumer law.
- Clara started her career by volunteering in law firms for experience and saw all roles as useful for the future.
- The difference's, still, between men and women in the law.
- The role of health and wellness in Clara's life.
- Clara's media and communications experience and legal career have combined together to form "Law for the Lay".
- The future for Law for the lay and Clara Eve.
- Clara's visa has been approved for a move overseas and why she wants to work overseas.
- The career choices Clara has made support her lifestyle.
- Clara's advice for anyone looking to start a 'side hustle'.
- Innovation and using your experience to create something better for the future.
- Clara's perspective on millennials in the law and women in the legal profession.
- The Marie Kondo method and applying this to our thought process as well as our offices!
- Not doing what others have done but creating a new storyline.
- Clara's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Clara Eve
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing criminal lawyer, Lauren Cassimatis on her career, life and love of all things shopping! Lauren had made her way to Brisvegas where she was holding an event for her network 'Criminal Law Mums' and so I took the chance to sit down with her and to understand how she found her way to running her own boutique criminal law firm 'Gallant Law'.
Lauren knew from a pretty young age that law was her thing but like so many of us, she has had moments along the way where she has questioned whether being a lawyer is 'still' her thing. Those moments have allowed her to both explore a few new interests (aka fashion design) but also to remind herself just why she does what she does. Lauren has ended up working in one of the most challenging parts of the law- criminal law- but in this interview she shares just why she loves this area of law and how she has built a successful career in her niche. Having just opened her own firm a few weeks ago, I caught Lauren right at that moment when everything is coming together that made for a great conversation as well.
Lauren is also the creator of 'Criminal Law Mums' a community initially for women just like her working in the criminal law area. But fast forward a year or 2 and her group has fast expanded to include all sorts of lawyers and is now a hub of referrals, events and creativity. Lauren is a wife and mum and shared her tricks for managing all that this entails. She is a 'happy lawyer' and it was great to hear her insights on how she manages to keep all the plates spinning particularly on those hard days.
In this interview, Lauren and I also chatted about-
- If Lauren was not a lawyer she would have been a designer (and even attended the Melbourne school of fashion 10 years ago).
- The connection between creativity and the law.
- Lauren's relationship with her legal career and the challenges she has faced as a mother and a woman in law.
- Lauren grew up in Melbourne (with a short dalliance in New York).
- The value of family, relationships and Lauren's great experience of growing up with a single Dad.
- Lauren's journey to law and why she fell in love with criminal law.
- Purposefully revisiting one's passion and career every few years.
- Lauren started out in Criminal and Family Law and also spent many of her career years at Legal Aid Victoria growing her knowledge in this area.
- Lauren also has a passion for changing the perception of criminal lawyers and how she is going about this.
- The importance of communication as a Criminal Lawyer.
- Treating everyone with kindness, compassion and care no matter their background.
- Lauren tells us about "Criminal Law Mums" and how this project came about.
- Community and connection is one of the biggest drivers of good mental health and happiness.
- Lauren hosted an event focusing on the pros and cons of self-doubt and explains why she chose this topic.
- Perfection, unrealistic expectations and lawyers.
- Lauren's life and passion outside of the law.
- Considering time, and the flow between family and business.
- Perspective and seeing the world through others eyes.
- Lauren's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Lauren Cassimatis
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Lana Woltman a former (almost) pop star now lawyer from the beautiful Gold Coast. Lana is bundle of joy and fun and I promise will have you smiling along with her during this chat. Having grown up on the Gold Coast, Lana found herself pursuing her passion for music and the stage both at school and later at University. She did tell me that if she wasn't a lawyer she would be a Rock Star and I sense she really is in her own way! Having finished her music degree and pursing that career for a few years a chance motor vehicle accident had Lana dealing with solicitors for the first time in her life. Another chance comment led to her following her intuition and pausing that music career for a law career and she hasn't looked back.
Lana is a personal injuries lawyer now working at Slater and Gordon Lawyers on the Gold Coast. She thoroughly enjoys the practice of law, helping her client overcome often significant tragedy. Lana shared so many great insights in this chat all around the theme of happiness- from building resilience, being tenacious, celebrating success and importantly, being kind to yourself along the way too. I loved this chat and I am sure you will too.
In this interview, Lana and I also chatted about-
- If Lana was not a lawyer she would have been a rock star! (and for a while there she sort of was!)
- The correlations between the arts and creativity and law.
- Lana grew up on the Gold Coast and you will soon hear her passion for her city!
- Lana's early life and the influence of her passion for music.
- How Lana found herself in law.
- Working in hospitality has taught Lana to problem solve and these skills have been invaluable through the start of her legal career.
- Creativity in law from Lana's perspective.
- How persistence in Lana's first years paid off in the end, getting her first foot in the door in a firm.
- Lana has found that working her way through most roles in a law firm has given her great experience.
- Lana is currently working at Slater and Gordon and is a Personal Injury Lawyer.
- The reason that Lana loves personal injury law and how she works with her clients.
- Handling the stereotypes of what it means to be a lawyer when those stereotypes don't necessarily apply to you.
- Empathy is a key part of Lana's role and her perspective on the importance of empathy on the future of law.
- Using technology to help clients understand legal advice.
- The importance of real-world experience when applying for careers.
- Why looking after yourself and taking care of who you are is so important.
- Learning to drop her ego and striving for excellence, not perfection.
- Lana's advice to those who are coming through the profession.
- Lana's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Lana Woltman.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Marnie Carroll. We can all thank Instagram for connecting me with Marnie who last year decided to set herself a bit of a happiness challenge, starting a campaign with her wife focused on purposeful living after a difficult 2017. Marnie is a contract lawyer by day at DLA Piper- a role that she really loves. But through her decision last year to change how she was living, Marnie has come to find a deep sense of purpose and balance between her work inside the law and her life outside of it.
I loved learning a little more about Marnie- I always enjoy her instagram updates and her perspective on life but in this chat I got to dig a little deeper and understand just how and why she has made the changes she has in her life. Happiness, wellness and living a great life in her way are big themes in this chat and I encourage you to jump over and join Marnie with her 'Better Human project' work too. From probono opportunuties in Vanuatu to complex contracts for wind farms this chat had it all!
In this interview, Marnie Carroll and I also chatted about-
- If Marnie was not a lawyer she would have been a humanitarian or a Law Lecturer.
- Marnie grew up on the Gold Coast and is still a Gold Coast girl at heart.
- Marnie 'peacefully breaks the rules' and shares where her advocacy passion originates.
- Marnie started her career in an Arts Degree from Griffith and moved to London for a time.
- Living overseas and the independence we learn when we step outside of our comfort zones.
- Marnie saw herself in litigation but early in her career found herself in contract work which she has really come to love.
- Innovation in Contractual Law space and Marnie's view of how to overcome the disconnect that can occur when communicating between parties.
- Marnie is connected heavily to Vanuatu and has worked as Legal advisor for the government, as well as lecturing at the University of the South Pacific- opportunities that have been available thanks to the incredible pro bono schemes available at DLA Piper.
- Marie is currently working for DLA Piper and shares her work experience in this global firm!
- Marnie had a difficult 2017 and in the new year decided, with her wife, to start fresh with a new structure for her life.
- Marnie made a choice to become a better human by focusing on her mind, body, other people, & the planet.
- Shifting the way which Marnie approaches her life has been a dramatic change and has led her to start the 'Better Human Project'.
- Marnie encourages us to make changes by taking a step back and changing our perspective in all areas of our lives.
- Marnie openly speaks about her self awareness journey and is a testament to how we all cope with law-land differently.
- Marnie's predictions for the future of Big Law.
- The future of Marnie in 'Law Land' and her mental health journey.
- Being present in our daily lives and speaking up when we are struggling in life.
- Marnie enjoy's her daily runs to collect her thoughts.
- Marnie's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Marnie Carroll.
In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I got to hang out with Barrister, Florence Chen and after about a year of trying to make this interview come to life, Florence and I were finally in the same place at the same time and I am so glad we were!
Florence has quickly built a successful practice at the bar in taxation, commercial and construction law and her day job had us talking for some time.
Florence is someone I would be happy to hang out with daily! She is everything that inspires me in a great lawyer- intelligent, driven and all of those great traits but equally calm, funny, open and authentic. Growing up in Brisbane, Florence knew law was her thing from a pretty young age and she had always seen herself as being in the courtroom perhaps thanks to the likes of Ally McBeal during her youth!
With the number of women at the Bar still significantly less than the representation of women in law more broadly, Florence shared with me her thoughts on how and why that is. Florence sees many advantages for women lawyers considering the Bar, as it does offer autonomy, flexibility and of course many great opportunities to build a purposeful career.
Florence Chen and I also chatted about-
- If Florence was not a lawyer she would have been a Management Consultant!
- Florence was born in Mackay in North Queensland, however lived most of her life in Brisbane.
- Florence's Mother and Father were born in China and her connection to her cultural roots.
- The reason that Florence chose the law at the young age of 10.
- Florence's reflection on her time at university- some of the challenges and the pressures.
- Florence was offered a Judge's Associateship and has never really looked back since!
- The story of how Florence decided to jump straight into a career at the bar - thanks to her wife Jessica!
- Life as a Barrister- particularly those first few years.
- Opportunities for women at the Bar but why the stats continue to suggest women are not moving into that arm of our profession at the same rate as perhaps the solicitor arm of the profession.
- Women at the Bar - statistics of women vs men in the Bar and Florence's perspective on the percentage differences
- The flexibility of hours in Chambers and barristers as the original 'new law' model.
- Florence works in tax, construction and the commercial space.
- She loves taxation law as well as the and what she loves about this area of the law 'tribe' Florence has found in the Level 27 Chambers here in Brisbane.
- Florence's tips to those considering a career as a Barrister.
- The value of team sports not only for our physical health but our mental health
- Florence's secret love of a good legal comedy debate (she is available for bookings!) and her love of music.
- Tips of balancing work at the bar, life outside the law and relationships.
- The future of law for Barristers.
- The importance of introspection when it comes to understanding just what makes you happy and building your life accordingly.
- Florence's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Florence Chen.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Kiará Tarrant and this was a lawyer (and a career!) that I loved learning all about! Kiará began life in beautiful Ireland and her life and her career have taken her from Ireland to London to Holland to New York to South Africa, back to London, back to Ireland and now all the way to Australia! (I may have missed a few stops in there but I think you get the picture!)
Kiara is currently working as a Lead Legal Counsel here in Brisbane for the Virgin Australia Group. I suspect her daily life as a lawyer and mine are very, very different but I came to learn that when it comes to happiness, joy and generally enjoying all that we have, Kiará and I have much in common. An early career in prominent international law firms coupled with meeting her now husband who hails from South Africa, saw Kiará travelling the world but fast forward a few years and Kiará and Craig have found a home for their family here in sunny Brisbane. We chatted law of course, studying and working abroad as well as Kiará's reflections having worked in private practice, in house, in research and government along the way as well.
Kiará shared what brought her to law but importantly identified the reasons she has stayed. For her, it is the ability to do something meaningful and through her work, in many different areas in law, she has seen the difference law can make to individuals, societies and of course now in business. We spoke a lot about the importance of unlocking and understanding your bigger purpose and how we all need to allow space for self reflection- the opportunity to remind yourself if the path you are on is still the right one for you.
In this interview, Kiará Tarrant and I also chatted about-
- If Kiará was not a lawyer she would have been a photographer.
- Kiará is originally from Ireland - right near the film set for the Game of Thrones (which neither of us watch so that didn't go far!!)
- Kiará started her legal studies in London at UCL, and then bounced between living in London, South Africa, Netherlands, and even some time in New York!
- Kiará has been in Australia for 9 years now and loves living in Brisbane.
- The importance of family to Kiará, both by heart and by blood.
- The reason that Kiará wanted to study law after being told she shouldn't.
- Kiará's experience early in her career working in policy and with Amnesty International in South Africa.
- Becoming an in-house lawyer for lawyers and the difference between in house work and private practice.
- Kiará has found time gives perspective and the different roles in her career that influenced her direction.
- The importance of flexibility in your planning and mindset.
- Kiará currently works at Virgin Australia as the lead legal counsel and her experience now in working within a business vs within a firm.
- Modern business is more than just the business itself, it is the people who work there.
- Kiará has seen a trend change in the business world - clients now want more information about the values and the big picture goals of a business.
- The importance of values in business, big or small and making commercial decisions with the values in mind.
- An average day in the law life of Kiará.
- Kiará's interesting aspects of working in-house, including no time sheets!
- Kiará has worked in vastly different size firms and her perspective on the differences.
- When Kiará is not a lawyer she is working on her hobby farm and running triathlons!
- Kiará's perspective on joy and happiness in the legal profession.
- Kiará's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kiará Tarrant.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing my first father and daughter lawyer duo in Steven and Sarah Stoddart. I loved this interview! (Yes I say that all the time, but I really did love this!) I haven't met too many Father/ Daughter Lawyer combo who are running a firm together and these two are and there is so much that we can all learn as a result! Steven has had 40+ years in law and his calmness shone through for me in this conversation. Perhaps it wasn't always that way, but I suspect that is what 40 years of mastering your trade gives you- a beautiful quiet confidence. Steven and Sarah run a commercial practice and are one of the few firms in the country specialising in servicing the pharmacy industry. Steven shared how his early years in big law threw him into this niche and how he has gone on to build a great practice as a result.
Somewhere along the way Sarah found herself as a lawyer too- not her original plan and also not the plan Steven had for her either- and yet watching the two of them together, I can see why the universe decided to throw them a new plan instead! Sarah also found her career in law initially in a national practice however a leave of absence and an accidental job with her Dad soon led to a very successful partnership between this family duo in their firm Stoddart Legal.
Steven is everything I love about those that have seen it all before and I suspect I only captured a drop in the ocean of his wisdom. His thoughts on managing overwork, on perhaps not making some of the mistake he feels he may have made along the way, were both incredibly helpful and generous. Steve and Sarah are a great example of 2 lawyers, generations apart, sharing their knowledge and building a great legacy along the way!
In this interview Sarah, Steven and I also chatted about-
- If Steven was not a lawyer he would have been a businessman and Sarah would have become a teacher.
- Steven became a lawyer, almost by chance, and completed his articles after 5 years.
- Sarah found herself choosing law even though she had always wanted to be a teacher.
- The way in which law can harden an individual and how this has affected Sarah and Steven throughout their careers.
- Steven, during his Articles, did well in taxation and commercial law and has specialised in these areas ever since.
- Sarah attended QUT and originally was not sure what area of law she would end up in as she really did not originally intend to follow in her father's footsteps.
- How Sarah found herself working with her Dad.
- Sarah and Steven now practice largely in commercial law, but specialise in working in the Pharmacy industry.
- Long term clients and the relationships that Sarah and Steven have developed over a lifetime- literally- and now across generations of family.
- Steven’s perspective of pace as a stressor in the legal community, and how this has evolved over his years.
- There are over 71,000 lawyers in Australia and the effect this had had on the industry.
- Sarah and Steven together operate Stoddart Legal and share many of their experiences in working and running a firm together.
- The advantages (and disadvantages) of working as a father and daughter team.
- Sarah's predictions for the future of Stoddart Legal.
- Sarah has been lucky enough to have her Father as a mentor and the many great things she has learned as a result.
- The ‘soft skills’ needed to become a lawyer and Steve’s tips on how to achieve these learnings.
- Steven’s tips for managing happiness in his legal career.
- The way in which Sarah manages her happiness and the importance of relationships outside of the law.
- What Sarah and Steven like to do in their free time outside of the office.
- Sarah and Steven’s influences (outside of each other) in their legal careers.
- Sarah and Steven's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Sarah Stoddart and Steve Stoddart.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing family lawyer & mediator Sarah Cleeland. Sarah is a Brisbane local and is someone I have known pretty much since my first day in law land. When I began practice in the little town of Sandgate north of Brisbane, Sarah was a few years ahead of me and around the corner at the vibrant local practice Gill and Lane Solicitors. Fast forward almost 20 years and I have moved 'cityside' while Sarah has stayed bayside now owning her own vibrant boutique family law and mediation practice in Sandgate, just a street from where she first began.
Sarah is someone we can all learn a lot from when it comes to happiness. Life has certainly thrown her a fair share of curveballs but it is the way she sees the world that had me both smiling and crying during this conversation. A mum to two now big boys she has done the 'juggle' we all speak of and I loved learning about how she has structured her practice around her family to try and get the best of all parts of her world within a 1km radius!
Sarah is a family lawyer but notes it is not always an easy job but her tips on managing those challenging moments will be useful for all lawyers- family or not! But my favourite stories from this interview involved Sarah's university side hustle running a landscaping business and now being a mother to 100's of pet frogs!!!! (I had no idea!)
In this interview Sarah and I also chatted about-
- If Sarah was not a lawyer she would have been a teacher.
- Sarah grew up in Brisbane and the lifelong connections she has had with some of her colleagues.
- Sarah completed her law degree at Griffith University and was part of the first group to complete law through Griffith with only 85 in her class. My favourite part of this story was her 'side hustle' running a landscaping company with her then boyfriend and neighbour!
- Graduating in 1996, Sarah began her career in a boutique firm completing Articles of Clerkship.
- A weekend trip to Sandgate had Sarah falling in love with the area and it wasn't long before she and her husband moved their lives to the beautiful bayside suburb.
- Sarah lost her husband, Greg in a car accident, 6 weeks before her first child was born in 2002- this event clearly changed her life in so many ways.
- The way in which Sarah's colleagues stepped up to help her while she grieved.
- Handing hardship as a now single mother, and woman in the legal industry.
- Sarah started her own business Sarah Cleeland Family Lawyers in 2010 and the ups and downs of running a law firm.
- Some of Sarah's favourite parts of living in a close knit community.
- The trust and value Sarah holds in all her colleagues.
- The benefits of attending conferences and other professional events and making connections with others in law land.
- Sarah's tips on managing the emotional toll of working with clients on difficult legal cases.
- The daily joys of running her own business and how Sarah keeps herself motivated.
- Sarah takes 4 mini breaks during the year helping her to disconnect from running her practice.
- Being a mother of two boys, Sarah spends much of her weekend at sports and in the garden.
- Age has brought lots of perspective to Sarah along with sharing her home with 3 boys/men and 100's of frogs!
- Sarah's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Sarah Cleeland!
In this week’s episode of the Happy Lawyer Happy Life podcast, I was with solicitor Rachel Ravell. Rachel is currently working on a Government project here in Brisbane but is another wonderful example of how your legal career can take you in many varied directions.
Rachel grew up in regional Queensland and credits her decision to study law to an interest in the arts and humanities. Early in her degree, she took a part-time job transcribing records of interview in criminal proceedings which fast led to her obtaining her first role at the DPP and the rest is somewhat history.
Rachel spent many years working in the DPP, climbing the ranks before a family tragedy led her to rethink her direction.
I loved this conversation and learning about how Rachel has managed many challenges that life likes to throw at us but has kept a positive attitude along the way. She also shared with us her vision for her future in law and an exciting idea she has to launch a boutique practice. Rachel is another great example that there are many ways to be a lawyer and many paths to success.
In this interview Rachel Ravell and I also chatted about-
- If Rachel was not a lawyer she would have done something creative, like events planning or opening a cafe!
- Rachel's early life in Queensland.
- Rachel's decision to study law, but her 'gap year' in South Dakota USA and her highlight in joining a Marching Band!
- Rachel has recently joined the "law-chestra" and shares what she enjoys about the camaraderie and creativity!
- Rachel studied her law degree at UQ and started her legal career at the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).
- Her experience of working with the DPP and her biggest learnings.
- Rachel completed an associateship for 12 months with Justice Julie Dick and her perspective of this invaluable time.
- Rachel returned to work at the DPP as a legal officer in Toowoomba.
- What is involved in being a DPP legal officer, working with crown prosecutors and drafting indictments.
- The contrast of work environment from Maroochydore (Sunshine Coast) DPP and Brisbane city.
- After a difficult family event, Rachel took a side step away from the law. She shares how she came to this decision after becoming aware of her own burnout in her role.
- Rachel's tips on how to deal with burn out.
- Rachel became an in-house prosecutor at the Residential Tenancies Authority (RTA)- not something I knew existed until this interview!
- Rachels's perspective on motherhood as a working mum working in the law
- After maternity leave, Rachel moved into the Department of Housing and Public Work where she is currently working on a policy project- anothr great niche law job I had not heard of before!
- Rachel's perspective on the traditional markers of success.
- Rachel's advice and tips for those coming into the legal profession.
- Rachel is part of The Club and her perspective of this group.
- Rachel's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Rachel Ravell.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing my good friend Andrew Evans. Andrew and I met many, many years ago when I was a first year lawyer having almost no idea what I was doing and he was that senior lawyer that would be forever helping me along! Fast forward over 16 years and we are still great friends but our lives in law have taken very different paths. Andrew is an insolvency and commercial lawyer that has had a really interesting career working between some of Australia's largest law firms and more recently in a number of smaller boutique practices mainly here in Brisbane. But it is his 'life story' that I wanted to capture in this interview. I always knew Andrew as a single Dad and one of the poster children for flexible work arrangements before that was even a 'thing' so in this chat I wanted to learn more about how that worked for him and let me tell you- this was a really interesting part of our chat.
Andrew was not someone who planned a career in law- he came to it later in life but has enjoyed it ever since. His honest assessement as this as a 'difficult job' was refreshing to hear- I think sometimes we can make it seem like it should be all rainbows and unicorns and we minimise the stress, challenge and pressure that comes with a career in the law. This interview is overflowing with great advice on law, life and happiness and I was fast reminded why I would seek out Andrew's counsel so much early in my career.
In this interview Andrew and I also chatted about-
- If Andrew was not a lawyer he would have been a surfing photographer and Andrew loves nature.
- Andrew was born in Sydney but moved to Queensland at an early age.
- Andrew tells us what life was like in primary school in 70s.
- How much the world has changed in the last 50 years in regards to children and how the social perspective on their freedom has changed.
- After finishing high school the law was not on Andrew's radar and he worked in many areas before he started his studies.
- Tools Andrew has used in his career to help him get through the difficult situations in and outside of the law.
- Andrew became a father at a young(er) age and the crossroads he came to at age 25.
- Andrew believes that if you do not have compassion for others you will miss out on what life if all about.
- Empathy versus sympathy and how they can be used appropriately in law.
- Andrew was largely a single father and his experience of flexible workplaces.
- The difference between men and women in regards to parenting flexibility in the workplace.
- The definition of success from Andrew.
- Andrew has always enjoyed advocacy and for a time was a Barrister but returned to his role as a solicitor after he was offered the opportunity to be involved with a large financial services litigation.
- The importance of playing to your strengths.
- Putting energy into the choices we make rather than the decision itself.
- Andrew sees himself as lucky, however focusing on the good in life as well as acknowledging your weaknesses is the key.
- Andrews advice for anyone starting out in their legal career.
- Andrew's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Andrew Evans.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing soon to be lawyer Jelena Dmitrovic. I have come to know Jelena as she has been working within my team for almost 2 years now. This interview is both a happy and sad one for me as next week Jelena will be spreading her wings and leaving my team at Brisbane Family Law Centre to begin the next stage of her legal career at the DPP. I decided there was no better time to get her on the show and I do love hearing the enthusiasm of our soon to be lawyers as they embark on those first official legal roles.
Jelena was born in Croatia in the midst of civil war. It is no surprise that this alone has shaped so much of her and her family's future. At 18months of age Jelena arrived in Australia with her parents who had fled Croatia to safety however that decision of course left them all having to rebuild their lives almost from scratch. Jelena shared with me her early years in Australia- not speaking english, starting school and yet being surrounded by a strong and supportive Serbian community here in Brisbane.
Fast forward twenty something years and the Jelena I have come to know and love is one powerhouse of a young woman- intelligent and determined but so very generous. I came to learn in this conversation it is her focus on gratitude that I suspect is her super-power. From giving back to learning Jelena had many great tips for lawyers of all stages of our careers. I am so very glad I had the chance to capture her thoughts as she heads off to begin what I know will be a very successful career in the law.
In this interview, Jelena and I also chatted about-
- If Jelena was not a lawyer she would have been a Ballerina or a Chef! (This I did not know before!)
- Jelena was born in Croatia and had to flee her country in 1990 during the civil war. Jelena was 18 months old and her parents were in their early 20s.
- Living with her grandparents, Jelena's family started to settle into life in Australia and she shares what her early years entailed.
- Fleeing Civil War and the effect this has had on Jelena's outlook on life.
- Jelena's next youngest sibling is almost a generation younger than her and her experience of growing up as an (almost) a only child.
- Knowing right from wrong was a large part of Jelena's life and how it influenced her choice to become a lawyer at the ripe old age of 12!
- Jelena's experience of University studying at Griffith here in Brisbane and how it took a few different turns to find 'her thing'!
- Jelena volunteers at "Fair Share" fortnightly and tells us why she chose this organisation to support.
- Jelena has always had a love for both Criminal and Family law and finds her own lived experience has helped her be patient and compassionate with her clients.
- 'Gather: A Place for New & Aspiring Lawyers" is a group that Jelena and fellow young lawyer, Kiarah Grace Kelly, started to give young professional lawyers support.
- Jelena's perspective on happiness.
- The next stage for Jelena is the DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions) and she is very much looking forward to moving into the criminal law space.
- Jelena would love to be a barrister, a Judge or prosecutor in the future and believes in hard work to get what you want.
- Slowing down, both in her work and her expectations in and outside of the law has been Jelena's biggest learnings this past year.
- Jelena's Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Jelena Dmitrovic
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing specialist criminal lawyer Dan Rogers. Dan is a Principal at Robertson O'Gorman- a firm with a strong reputation here in Queensland for advocacy in areas of human rights and civil liberties and criminal law. When he is not running a busy criminal law practice, Dan is volunteering in his role as President of the Caxton Legal Centre- Queensland's largest community legal centre. Dan's life in the law has to a degree come full circle- it was his experience at the Caxton Legal Centre on a High School work experience program that inspired him to pursue law and now, many years down the track and many hours of volunteering later, he is leading that organisation.
Whilst being a talented advocate, Dan like so many of us is wearing many hats- Boss, Lawyer, Husband, Father, Colleague and Friend and it was his advice on making the most of all of the facets of your life that I really enjoyed in this interview. Dan is a 'happy lawyer' as I see that phrase- he sees the best in all that is around him and credits health, relationships, fitness and nature as the things he draws upon for his happiness.
In this interview Dan and I also chatted about-
- If Dan was not a lawyer he would have been a park ranger.
- Dan grew up in Brisbane in Hawthorn, but spent a lot of his childhood in the great outdoors.
- Dan's early exposure to law at the Caxton Legal Centre and his involvement ever since.
- Dan's experience at University here in Brisbane and his focus on Social Justice and Criminal law.
- While Dan completed article he also worked in the media as a radio host doing surf reports!
- Dan's first 'law land' job as an Articled Clerk at Robertson O'Gorman.
- Dan life as a lawyer- from criminal law to professional misconduct.
- Dan's advice for all of us on dealing with professional complaints.
- A day in the life of a Criminal Lawyer.
- The stereotypes of a Criminal Lawyers and the aspects of advocacy that Dan loves.
- The downsides of being a Criminal Lawyer and how to emotionally deal with subject matter.
- The story behind Robertson O'Gorman and it's focus over the years.
- Dan's tips for managing his workload in and outside of the law.
- Dan's happiness drivers- health and fitness, family and relationships and nature.
- Purpose has been a large driver for Dan, he is passionate about helping others.
- Dan's biggest learnings from his legal career.
- Dan's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Dan Rogers
This week's interview had me laughing, crying and then laughing again and I am so very grateful to my guest Michael Biddy. Michael is an environment and planning lawyer at Herbert Smith Freehills- something I can say I didn't know too much about before chatting with Michael, but an area of law that Michael is deeply passionate about. Having grown up in Michigan, Michael shared with me how he found his way to Griffith University in Brisbane, having decided to study law at university. I loved this part of the story- why a boy from Michigan chooses to move his life to Brisbane at 15 years of age!
I have come to know Michael over the past few years thanks to his involvement with The Legal Forecast and more recently Pride in Law. Michael has openly shared his own experience of being a gay man and some of the hurdles that he has faced in his life as a result of the views of others around him. It was this part of our conversation for which I am most grateful. Last year I had the chance to learn so much from Michael, Dean Clifford-Jones and many of the other leaders within Pride in Law. I have perhaps naively thought we as a profession had 'moved with the times' as some would say but I have come to see that there is still some moving to do. And it is Michael and the many lawyers like him who are bravely leading the shifts that are needed for us to build a profession that embraces us all no matter our age, stage, race or sexuality.
In this interview, Michael and I also chatted about-
- If Michael was not a lawyer he would have been a Marine Biologist.
- Michael's journey to coming out as a gay man in his small home town in Michigan USA and the support he had from his family.
- Social Justice is a huge passion of Michael's and it has motivated him to stand up for others throughout his life.
- Michael has learnt that you cannot control what happens to you but you can control how you react to it.
- Michael was accepted into Harvard in the US but also applied to international schools including Australia.
- At the age of 19, Michael moved to Australia after choosing Griffith University for his studies.
- Michael's impression of Australia and the concept of choosing the family who supports and challenges us.
- At Griffith University, Michael completed a double degree in Law and Environmental Science.
- Michael started his journey in law-land in environmental legislation and policy.
- A day in the life of an environmental lawyer and what sort of work Michael conducts.
- Choosing a degree that leads to your dream job and the difference between being lucky and actively seeking your path.
- After a leopard print jacket sparked a difficult comment, Michael started an LGBTI+ student mentoring program at McCullough Robertson called ‘McColour’.
- Michael explores how we establish gender equality in the workplace and shares some of his own experiences.
- The importance of diversity in the workplace and how much we have to learn from each other and our experiences.
- Michael's experience of stereotypes and living true to who you are.
- Instead of making assumptions asking questions of those we do not understand.
- Michael is involved in "Pride in Law' and shares not only his experience but the changes he has seen in others.
- Michael's advice for those who are facing hardship and stereotypes in and outside of the law.
- Being confident in who you are, in Michael's experience, can have a positive effect on your career.
- Discomfort in our lives can lead to learning - embrace it!
- Michael's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Michael Biddy.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer Julann Tiernan. Julann is based on the sunny Gold Coast where she has recently launched her own solo and virtual legal practice! Now it is no secret that I love learning from fellow lawyer business owners but I soon came to learn that Julann has had one of the most interesting careers in and out of law yet! Starting her 'legal life' as a police officer, Julann found herself working on the glitter strip that is Surfers Paradise! I did get her talking about her life in the Police Force and I sense there are many more stories there for another day but between that, being a mum to 5 kids, somehow putting herself through law school, and working all the while too- this lawyer can teach us all a good few life lessons I suspect!
Julann herself says she never really imagined that at 40 she would find herself getting admitted but she did and a few years down the track (I won't give away her age other than to say this interview goes live a day after a very exciting birthday milestone- Happy Birthday Julann!) she has started her own firm, Tiernan Family Law- a virtual legal practice. Now in amongst running her own practice Julann also manages to be a wife and mum to 5 so I determined she was perfectly placed to share lots of tips on how she has done it all all these years!
In this interview, Julann and I also chatted about-
- If Julann was not a lawyer she would have been a writer.
- The importance of creativity and how Julann makes time and space for this aspect of her life.
- Julann grew up in Brisbane just a few streets from my home!
- The reason that Julann chose to study law and her journey to law land.
- Julann started out at QIT (QUT) studying journalism and then moved on to Psychology at Queensland University.
- After her time at University Julann made the move and became a police officer on the Gold Coast.
- Julann's experience working as a police officer.
- Her decision to start law (whilst managing becoming a mum and maintaining her career as a police officer!)
- Julann's move into legal practice- first as a paralegal and later as a solicitor.
- The importance of great mentors in those early stages of her legal career.
- Julann's decision to start her own virtual firm, Tiernan Family Law.
- Technology's advances and the impact on small business.
- Julann's joys and fears of running her own business.
- The personal and practical challenges that come with starting a virtual firm.
- Julann's firm is totally fixed fee and the advantages that come with this style of billing.
- Authenticity has always been one of Julann's priorities both in and outside of the law.
- Julann's tips on managing the juggle of family, work and downtime.
- In her younger years, Julann competed as a bodybuilder and fitness is still important in her life
- The future for Tiernan Family Law.
- Julann's advice for those starting their legal career or studies.
- The impact that self-doubt can have on our lives in and outside of the law.
- Julann's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Julann Tiernan
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing construction lawyer Petrina Macpherson. Now Petrina is no ordinary lawyer (mind you this show is confirming for me that there really are no 'ordinary lawyers' anywhere). Petrina has a side life as a comedian! So yes this interview is full of laughs for all the right reasons. Petrina spends her career as a part of the Construction Law team at Minter Ellison here in Brisbane. She loves her firm, her role and her team. Her life in the law didn't begin in construction work though- she instead found herself initially working in criminal and family law and I found Petrina's insights on why she chose to move away from these areas into commerical and later construction law a great reminder that sometimes you have to keep hunting to find your 'thing' in law.
Growing up in North Queensland, Petrina shared a very personal story of what inspired her to be a lawyer and the very early age of 8! But she chased down that dream and many more along the way. This was a beautiful conversation for me. We did speak law and of course comedy but Petrina had many more great insights on life, happiness and health that I suspect you will really enjoy as well.
In this interview Petrina and I also chatted about-
- If Petrina was not a lawyer she would have been a stand-up comedian.
- Petrina grew up in Innisvale and completed her law degree at James Cook University in Townsville.
- Petrina's experience of University.
- How Petrina came to study law - turns out it was her dream since she was 8 years old!
- Petrina started her legal career in the areas of Family Law and Criminal law and her perspective on these two areas.
- Discovering she really enjoyed court work, Petrina moved into the area of commercial litigation and later became a construction lawyer.
- Petrina tells what is involved in Construction law and what she enjoys about working in this area at Minter Ellison.
- Petrina has a love for comedy and her journey to comedy started in a competition for the Queensland's Young Lawyers.
- The experience of performing a stand-up set and what she loves about this aspect of her life.
- The science of laughter and it's a contribution to happiness.
- How being a stand-up comedian has helped Petrina's career in law.
- Fitness is so important and Petrina uses hiking as a way to keep her fitness up.
- Petrina does work with The Pyjama Foundation and finds huge value in working with children who need a helping hand.
- Wanting to learn a new skill Petrina has also recently started dance classes with her husband!
- Petrina's perspective on happiness in and outside of the law.
- Petrina's Happiness Tip!
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Petrina Macpherson
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing the wonderful Juanita Maiden. Now Juanita is a lawyer but I have come to know her as a Goal Shooter extraordinaire on my netball team! Juanita spends her days working in succession law- an area of the law she has come to really love. But like so many of my guests, Juanita has had a unique and interesting path in her career- starting in a larger practice in commercial law before leaping out of law to work in her family business with her parents in beautiful Cairns. But something drew her back and now she can safely say that she has come to find her place in 'lawland'.
I loved this chat- Juanita had many pearls of wisdom on law, life and happiness along the way and it is her kind and fun nature that really shines through. She also has a deep love of sport and a 'side hustle' through her sports blog and soon to be podcast, Sports Maiden that led us to talking about how happiness sometimes means doing the things you love 'just because'. Not because there is any tangible outcome or result you are seeking but instead 'just because' it brings you joy.
In this interview, Juanita and I also chatted about-
- If Juanita was not a lawyer she would be an athlete or or perhaps even a rock star!
- Juanita shares why sports are such an important part of her life.
- Juanita was born in Cairns and lived there until she moved Brisbane to start University.
- Why Juanita chose law.
- Juanita loved university and shares some of her highlights of studying at the University of Queensland.
- After graduating, Juanita started her Articles of Clerkship in the late 1990s at Clarke Kann here in Brisbane, before packing her suitcase for what was then an Australian tradition of a 'gap year' in the UK.
- After her gap year, Juanita came back to Cairns to work in the family business in Cairns and shares why she decided not to return to law right away.
- Working in the family business gave Juanita a great amount of experience which she has applied to the law.
- Juanita came to a crossroads between the family business and the law, she returned to the law in Cairns and has never looked back.
- After a colleague took maternity leave, Juanita found herself reluctantly practicing succession law but fell in love with the area and has stayed in that space ever since.
- Moving to Brisbane, Juanita still loves succession law, but now also juggles family, the law and stepchildren!
- Juanita's reflections on her career in the law so far.
- Juanita's 'side hustle'- her sports blog, Sports Maiden, and shares what is coming up for her in this passion project.
- The advantages of following your passion 'just because'.
- Juanita loves what team sports teach us and the way that these learnings can transfer into life.
- The biggest shifts and changes Juanita has seen in law land.
- How email and pace have affected the legal world and how we communicate.
- Juanita loves a schedule and ensures she plans 'nothing' times and encourages us all to do the same.
- Unlikely mentors and some of Juanita's influences in her career in and outside of the law.
- Juanita is soon starting her own 'Sports Maiden' Podcast in around June.
- Juanita's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Juanita Maiden
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing lawyer, mediator, arbitrator and absolute wonder woman, Kelly Stanford. Kelly runs a boutique practice in Camden just outside of Sydney. She practises primarily in family law and child protection when she is wearing her lawyer hat but equally operates as a mediator and arbitrator. While all of that is impressive, the reason I wanted Kelly on my show is so much more! I have come to know Kelly this past few years thanks to her being a part of my membership, The Club. Kelly's fun approach to even the most challenging days always brings a smile to my face and she has inspired me over and over.
Kelly did not set out to become a lawyer and in this interview I learned about the many twists and turns life has taken her on as she found her path there. And I am so glad she did! Her story will inspire you and is a wonderful reminder that we can all do anything we set our mind to if we are courageous enough- including working full time, raising two kids and studying a law degree late into the night!
In this interview, Kelly and I also chatted about-
- If Kelly was not a lawyer she would have been a travel blogger or hairdresser! (A travel blogger-I love that that is even a thing!)
- Kelly's early life, growing up on the Army base at Ingleburn in NSW.
- Kelly left school having completed grade 10 and like so many of her peers at the time, completed an administration course.
- Her first role was the 'girl Friday' in a Barrister's chambers and from here her love of the law grew.
- The changes that Kelly has seen within Chambers.
- After having her daughter Jessica, she started working in a firm in her home town of Ingleburn.
- Kelly's boss, David Collins, unexpectedly became sick with a brain tumour and Kelly shares how his belief in her inspired her to study law.
- Kelly started out studying Psychology at Wollongong University and then moved into Law- studying late at night for many years while working full time on the side!
- Kelly's approach to managing family, work, and study
- Kelly's experience of graduating with a law degree and her admission day.
- After years working in the city, Kelly wanted to officially start her legal career in her hometowns of Ingleburn and she returned to the practice that had been owned by her mentor, David Collins. That practice is now her firm- Stanfords.
- Kelly shares her love of her work- particulalry the care and protection area, her legal aid work and assisting Aboriginal people around NSW.
- A week in the life of Kelly Stanford!
- Working with her daughter Jessica- I love this part of the story!
- Travel is a large part of Kelly's law life and she shares a few good stories about her travels.
- Like most of us, Kelly has had her doubts about the law but is also satisfied with the life she has chosen.
- Kelly's advice to those who are thinking about starting a law degree as well as some stories from her time at University.
- A love of learning has always been part of Kelly's life and she is learning a few new skills- guitar and coding to name two!
- Kelly's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with lovely Kelly Stanford
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Brisbane based Katherine Manby. Kath is the owner of VM Family Law a firm specialising in Family Law and particularly domestic violence work. It is Kath's own experience, her values and beliefs that have led her to this very tricky area of practice and in this interview I learned a lot about just why she has invested so much of herself in making a difference to others.
Kath grew up in the UK and a split decision a little over 10 years ago now had her buying a house here in Brisbane having never been here before, packing her bags and moving! She then had to start the long process of requalifying as a lawyer here in Australia whilst trying to navigate our immigration system but fast forward a few years, a husband, two kids and Kath is here to stay!
Over the past few years and in addition to running her own practice, Kath has been a part of the legal tech start-up Adieu Legal. This is an amazing product offering a bespoke online dispute resolution service for separating families. It was so interesting learning from Kath about what it has been like for her being a part of a very different style of business and learning about the tech start-up world.
Kath is the last person to 'toot her own horn' but I have come to know her this past 2 years as a part of my membership The Club and I know the amazing work she does each day. She is regularly assisting women on a probono basis both in the Family Law Courts and in the Domestic Violence Courts. She has a deep sense of social justice and is forever putting the needs of others before her own. It is all that and more that leaves me inspired each time I see her and I hope I have captured a little of that in this chat.
In this interview, Kath and I also chatted about-
- If Kath was not a lawyer she would have been a child Psychologist or a professional Golfer!
- Kath grew up in Huddersfield, UK, and had a choice between psychology and a law degree, she chose law.
- Kath struggled with the dreary UK weather and moved to Australia in 2006 on a whim.
- After touching down in Brisbane Kath felt like she had come home, although she had no connections here at all.
- Kath's first job was at a law firm in Wynnum conducting Wills Estate, Conveyancing and finally Family law (which is where she wanted to be!)
- She moved to Ipswich as a family lawyer, with a focus on legal aid, and in the midst met her husband and had a baby.
- Finally, after a few twists and turns Kath found herself at Legal Aid in Brisbane City where she found her real love for law.
- In May 2016, Kath lost her father unexpectedly. This had a profound effect on her and triggered her decision to start her own firm.
- Kath shares how she dealt with the difficulty of losing her dad, and the reminder of how short and valuable life is.
- The highs and lows of being a sole practitioner.
- Kath's firm, VM Family Law, focuses on helping families deal with Domestic Violence related issues.
- Kath wanted to share her knowledge and has developed a course for the College of Law teaching in the area's of Domestic Violence in family law.
- Talking 'Married at First Sight' and the level of gender disrespect that these shows support and the effect on the wider community.
- As mothers, we discuss the impact of domestic violence and how we can change the perspective of the next generation on violence in our society.
- Working in this difficult area, Kath's gives us her tips on how she copes with the emotional difficulties the job brings.
- Kath has been involved in developing a Legal Robot named 'Lumi' which helps clients work through an amicable separation.
- Kath is one of the directors of 'ADIEU Intelligent Divorce' with goal to assist the 70-80% of the community who will not approach lawyers for their legal issues.
- Kath's drivers and what she loves about Law Land.
- The importance of community and sharing with each other, especially as a sole practitioner.
- Kath's advice to junior lawyers coming into the legal workforce.
- Kath's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with my good friend Katherine Manby.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing my good friend of 20 years, Myra Kochardy. Now this took some persuading but I got there in the end and Myra and I sat down early on Sunday morning for this chat. Having grown up in Switzerland with two professional classical musicians as parents and another budding (now professional) musician sister, I certainly expected Myra would find her professional feet in the world of music but instead law has been her thing. And interestingly, I think even Myra is still surprised that she has found happiness in law land.
Myra's career in law began almost by accident. After having migrated to Australia at 18, it was a chance meeting with a neighbour that happened to be a Supreme Court Judge that inspired Myra's decision to study law. But like so many of us, she began her degree and then 'left' for a while before coming back and finding her feet with a new sense of purpose after having volunteered in the south of China. Myra has since gone on to build a niche in Health Law- initially in private practice and now as an advisor in Government.
I am so grateful to have captured Myra in this chat. She really does embody happiness for me and is someone who I have always enjoyed hanging out with as she really does make everything an adventure! She is one of the most kind, generous people I have ever met and so today she is the perfect guest to celebrate International Happiness Day for 2019!
In this interview, Myra and I also chatted about-
- If Myra was not a lawyer she would have been a 'chain smoking' tango dancer (ha!) or a teacher.
- Myra and I have known each other over 20 years having met in a hip hop lesson and then ending up at uni together.
- Myra was born in Switzerland and moved to Australia when she was 18 years old, during her final year of school.
- Myra's experience of going to school in Switzerland and the differences between there and Australia.
- After this experience Myra decided to pursue law, however, after 9 months Myra switched her focus to International Relations.
- Myra took a break from uni- she wanted to travel and landed in South-East China to teach English with 'Volunteers International'.
- It was this experience overseas in China, that enabled Myra to re-consider the study of law and on her return she headed back to Uni to get that degree.
- The rest is sort of history- she fell into a role at the Brisbane firm, Roberts & Kane a wonderful small firm where she was mentored and inspired and found her niche in Health Law.
- During this time Myra also started to lecture in Health Law and Ethics and loved the balance of teaching and practicing law.
- Fast forward a few years, Myra meets her wonderful husband Matayas, they get married and before you know it they are both of to Canberra.
- Creativity is a huge part of Myra's life and she manages to bring this element into her legal work.
- Myra has lived in Canberra for 8 years and it reminds her of her home town in Switzerland.
- The cultural access that Myra has in Canberra and being able to share this experience with her colleagues outside of the law.
- Myra works in Policy and Advisory Law and she explains what this means in her daily law life.
- Finding a role in Government (including graduate positions) and Myra's experience of working in this environment.
- Myra is a super content human being and has a beautiful outlook on life and puts on her 'different' hats to be able to cope with the daily balances of life.
- Boundaries and health are huge parts of Myra's life and she shares why this is so important to her.
- Managing the mental load of life and managing expectations both in and outside of law land.
- Myra's tip for other lawyers; to follow the people, not the work.
- Myra's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Myra Kochardy.
A few weeks ago I got to hang out in Melbourne with an amazing woman, designer and creator in Phoebe Bell. Now Phoebe is not really a lawyer any more in the 'literal' interpretation of that word but I didn't have to hunt far in this interview to learn that it is many of the skills she learned at law school that are now her super powers when it comes to her life now. Phoebe like so many of us bounced off to law school straight after school. But a few years into her degree she realised quite quickly that a life in the law was not really for her.
A few twists and turns later and Phoebe is now the creator of the stunning Australian homewares brand Sage and Clare. In this interview I got to understand just how Phoebe has gone from a potential career in the law to instead running a vibrant international homewares business playing with colour, creativity, design and joy.
If you know anything about me it will be no surprise to you that I loved every minute of this chat. I advocate heavily for the importance of pursuing a life that is true to you embracing joy and finding your own happiness. I wanted Phoebe on the show because I hear so often from lawyers who have found themselves in a place where the law is no longer fit them. That place can be scary and difficult to navigate and the question of 'where to next?' is a really tricky one to answer.
But in this interview Phoebe gives some wonderful advice for all of us on what to do in those moments, how to take our skills and apply them somewhere differently and importantly how to build a life that is just 'you'.
(And yes, I suspect if you love homewares like me you will thank me for this introduction to a home grown talent- go and check out Phoebe's beautiful treasures here.)
In this interview, Phoebe and I also chatted about-
- How if Phoebe was not a lawyer she would have been a surgeon or a paramedic (still a long way from where she is now!)
- Growing up in Melbourne and having a twin sister.
- Life at law school and that moment 3 years in where she started to question if that path really was for her.
- The aspects of studying law at Melbourne University that Phoebe loved.
- While in law school Phoebe mostly worked in retail and soon realised the importance of creativity to her happiness.
- Her decision not to pursue a graduate legal role at the end of her career and instead to take a position as a stylist with Country Road.
- Fast forward a few more twists and turns and Phoebe found herself in India- this trip set off a chain of events that I think we can say changed Phoebe's life for the better in so many ways.
- Phoebe fell in love with India and shares her experience in this beautiful country.
- The beginnings of her business Sage and Clare- 2 containers, an apartment and a website!
- The parallels between starting any sort of business, whether it be homewares or a law firm, including self-belief and the capacity to back yourself.
- How the thinking that Phoebe learned at law school has been invaluable to her homewares business.
- A day in the life of Phoebe as a Mum and successful business owner.
- The future of Sage and Clare.
- Phoebe's tips on creating and maintaining happiness and wellness
- The moment's of self doubt that Phoebe has had over her study and career shift and how she has realised her contribution to the world.
- The psychology of colour and the effect on our mental health.
- Phoebe's Happiness Tip.
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Phoebe Bell.
Friday the 8th of March is of course International Women's Day and what better an opportunity than to celebrate some of the amazing women I have had on the show this last year. There have been many so picking just 10 was a little like having to choose your favourite children- not something that is ever really possible! But I have chosen this group of amazing guests for a few simple reasons- they are all amazing at what they do, they have all had to overcome some challenges along the way and in so doing made decisions, tooks chances and backed themselves showing us all that amazing things do happen when you take a leap of faith doubled with a strong dose of self belief.
We have come a long, long way when it comes to women and the law in our Country and this group of 10 for me illustrate just how far. From students to Judges this week is a reminder to us all that anything is possible with enough hard work.
Early last year in Episode 67 - I sat down with the wonderful Laura Vickers in sunny Melbourne (well it was sunny on that day anyway!)
Laura is a happy lawyer and has taken ownership of her future. She is my poster girl for my HAPPY acronym. Her ‘Attitude’ is reflected in all she says and does and she has purposefully created a career in the law that works for her, her family and her team. She has been rewarded as a result- both in having a successful business doing work that she loves but also in the tangible sense- having been formally recognised for her innovative approach to business and her work as a woman lawyer.
In this section of her interview Laura and I talk about:
- After losing a family member, having a child and not being able to get into childcare Laura opened her own online firm, Nest Legal.
- The journey of how Laura started her firm 5 years ago
- The difference between an online and bricks and mortar firm from Laura's perspective as she has conducted both
- Laura explains the 168 hours concept and how she uses this to balance her work and family commitments
Next is the wonderful Cate Heyworth-Smith QC who joined me on Episode 70. I love Cate's outlook on life. She does not take herself too seriously and I sense that this attitude is one of the secrets to her success. She is giving back to her community and is passionate about keeping good professional relationships in the industry.
In this section of her interview Cate and I talk about:
- Taking a chance and going to the Bar at a very young age
- Growing up with a father who loved his life as a Barrister and the impact this had on Cate’s decision to pursue law
- A few tips for anyone considering life as a Barrister
And then there was Episode 77 - with Shelby Timmins- a family lawyer who has now made a move entirely away from litigation to coaching, mediation and collaboration. ‘Giving yourself permission to do it’ is a something Shelby said that resonated with me in this interview. It really encapsulates her career to date. She has continued to study, continued to learn and continued to share her insight and talent to help others, not for the benefit of herself but to genuinely help separating families.
In this section of her interview Shelby and I talk about:
- How Shelby started out in major claims insurance and then moved to start her University education in Tasmania
- Shelby’s decision to move into family law and up to Sydney
- The decision to return to Australia and settle in Sydney to start a family
- Shelby’s decision to leave the traditional practice of law and start her now business, Divorce Done Differently a business which has enabled her more freedom to enjoy her family and passions
- Shelby's practice is solely dispute resolution and loves this work
And then there was Episode 78 with Rebecca Treston QC. As Queen’s Counsel there is no doubting Rebecca’s career success, but in this interview it was her down to earth attitude, practical advice and passion for the law that had me hooked. Like so many of us in law, Rebecca is juggling motherhood, career, friendships and family and she does it all with a smile!
As a Senior member of the profession, Rebecca has built a very successful niche practice in the area of Succession Law but in this conversation I learned so much more about how and why she came to the law and still has the same passion for her work now as she did all those years ago when she first stepped foot in her Father’s firm.
In this section of her interview Rebecca and I talk about:
- It was Rebecca’s father’s career as a solicitor that sparked her interest in the law
- Growing up in Brisbane and her family connection to the law
- The transition that Rebecca has seen in the law
- Women in law-land and the Bar and Rebecca's passion to see this more gender balanced
- Rebecca's path to family and the reversed traditional roles of parents
Dominique Lamb joined me in Episode 79 and described how she found herself in the role of a CEO almost by chance. I learned about a ‘day in her life’ which I must say sounds like it is well extending her legal training as she takes on media, leadership, advocacy and mentorship. When it comes to happiness Dominique had much to share- she is a happy lawyer and credits much of that to her focus on health, exercise and self care. She clearly operates at an intense level in her work and yet I found her to have a deep sense of purpose and calm which I suspect is one of the secrets to her success.
- A day in her life as a CEO.
- What is involved in being in the Media Spotlight and the contrast between this and being a lawyer
- How law has given Dominique a good foundation for the responsibilities of a CEO.
- The role of women in senior business roles nationwide and Dominique’s thoughts on this. She notes that less than 8% of senior leadership roles are filled by Women
- Domonique is a self proclaimed planner but is passionate about taking opportunities that cross your path
- Domonique's involvement in charities and loves the diversity it brings to her career
Episode 80 had me hanging out with another of Queensland's greats- Barrister Caite Brewer. Caite operates a specialist practice in Estate litigation here in Brisbane. She is well known for her intellect and talent at the Bar but in this conversation, I learned so much more about the woman behind the Barrister’s gown.
- Caite knew from a young age she wanted to be a Barrister (all thanks to a few 1980’s TV shows!)
- The day after Caite finished high school she moved to Brisbane to study Law at QUT
- Like many of us, Caite at times struggled with the study of law but has since found her passion in the practice of her profession
- Caite’s decision to go straight to the Bar and become a Barrister early in her career- she had always wanted to be a Barrister and so she was at 21!
- Caite’s experience at the Bar and the comradery between Barristers
In Episode 108 I was with New Zealand's own legal tech creator in Claudia King who has since become a true 'spirit animal' and a woman I have come to learn so much from. Life in the law was not unfamiliar to Claudia having grown up with a Dad who was a lawyer in their home town, New Plymouth. Fast forward a few years and Claudia found herself in partnership with her Dad as the two of them explored how they could use technology to improve their service. ‘Legal Beagle’ was born back in 2011- the first online legal service in New Zealand and so began Claudia’s foray into the world of start-ups, technology and entrepreneurship. In 2016 Claudia’s life turned upside down when she lost her father. Claudia shared openly how this event caused her to re-assess and re-think parts of her life and how she has found her way through.
- Claudia’s experience of then co-founding Automio with her Dad and where that adventure has now taken her
- Reassessing your goals after losing a loved one and the effect it has on our perspective
- Claudia believes in following the opportunities that come across your path
- Her early experience creating Legal Beagle which was the first online legal service in New Zealand.
- Mindfulness and being present in our daily lives
- How Facebook changed Claudia's life and how a Facebook group gave her inspiration for starting her business
In Episode 112 Michelle May AM QC joined me having recently retired from many years on the Family Court. At a young age Michelle took silk and at around the same time, she and her husband welcomed triplet girls. If that wasn’t enough to keep them both busy, she was shortly thereafter appointed as a Judge in the Family Court. 22 years later, Michelle has much to share about living your best life in the law and I am grateful to have had the chance to capture some of her thoughts in this interview. My favourite tip- knowing people who are not lawyers and spending time with them!
- Michelle’s experience at University in the 1970s including smoking rooms!
- Michelle shares that her opportunities as a Women were no less than the men, she has continued this outlook all through her career
- Her experience starting out as a Judges Associate and some highlights from this experience
- Michelle was one of the first female family law focused barristers in her field and working with mostly men
- The Family Law Act came into effect while Michelle was a barrister and some of her highlights of this time
- Becoming a mum to triplets and a few insights into managing that juggle
- The supportive environment that Michelle experiences and as Judge and a Barrister
I haven't had the chance to interview too many politicians on the show but in Episode 116 I sat down with Senator Amanda Stoker. I had not met Amanda prior to this interview but I very quickly felt a synergy with so much of what she had to say about her choice to pursue law, her love of art and creativity and of course her life as a wife and mum. I loved the chance to also understand what life as a politician really looks like and I think I have concluded that is not a job for me, but I also came to know that I am so grateful Australians, particularly women like Amanda, are willing to take on what must at times feel like an unforgiving challenge of sitting in Parliament, particularly in our current times.
- Her early years in law including a year as an Associate to Justice Ian Callinan in the High Court.
- Amanda’s decision to move to Brisbane and her experience initially in the Supreme Court again as an Associate before taking a role in the Commonwealth DPP
- What is involved in being an Associate of the High Court and the learning opportunities that come with this role
- We discussed the culture of a firm vs the culture in the Court and Amanda’s experience and learnings as a result
- Working with different judges and some of what Amanda learnt from those she worked for
- Amanda’s decision to become a Barrister and her experience at the private Bar
- Being a Mother and a Barrister as a woman and how Amanda made this work with the support of men in the field
And last but not least the lovely Kiarah Grace Kelly joined me in Episode 117. This interview is full of all the things I have come to love about Kiarah- her humorous way of communicating, her intellect and her positive outlook on life. Kiarah is a true representation of a young woman on a mission to leave her mark- a beautiful mark- on the world and I for one am looking forward to seeing just what she might achieve. She put it perfectly when she said we all need to ‘Be our own biggest fan’ and I sense that is perfect advice no matter your age or stage.
- Kiarah’s experience at University and how she initially struggled to find her feet.
- Imposter syndrome and how Kiarah managed the expectation and pressure of her GPA results International Women's Day Special
- Kiarah’s decision during her degree to position herself to pursue a career as a Family Lawyer and how she went about doing this
- Taking every opportunity that comes your way as well as the importance of making sure you are standing right where the opportunities might come!
- Kiarah’s advice for students new to studying Law
Sit back and enjoy these interviews with these wonderful Women of the law.
In this week's episode of the 'Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast' I had the pleasure of interviewing Nicky Grummitt an all round #radladyboss all the way from Goondiwindi! I may have tried to get the name of Nicky's home town into this interview as much as possible because isn't 'Goondiwindi' just the best word ever! (try saying it 10 times fast just for fun!) Now all jokes aside, Nicky is one savy lawyer who in the last few months has taken that leap of faith and put out her own shingle starting her own firm, Grevillea Law. Now I think it is one thing to start a newlaw law firm in the comfort of a busy town or city where there is a defined and active market place, lots of co-working facilities and no doubt access to all sorts of resources that make that new law firm start up period a little easier. So when I saw that Nicky was creating a modern, vibrant brand from a little town on the Queensland/ NSW border, I was really interested to learn more.
And learn I did! Nicky was a delight to interview and has such a calm and considered approach to business and the law. As a regional girl at heart, she is building a modern law practice that can service her clients all over Queensland all from a great little co-working hub in Goondiwindi! We talked life in the regions, balancing family/ career and all that fun stuff, overcoming moments of unhappiness in your career, taking breaks away from the law, boarding school, hiking and health! And a whole lot more! I loved this chat and now have Goondiwindi on my 'must visit' list for 2019!
In this interview Nicky and I also chatted about-
- If Nicky was not a lawyer she would have been in the world of business in some way (and now she is!)
- Nicky grew up on a large property and attended boarding school on the Gold Coast from age eleven.
- She loved the boarding school experience and being surrounded by friends.
- The reason that Nicky chose the study of both Law and Business.
- Nicky's love of the practice of law.
- The fun and games of opening her own firm.
- Life in Goondiwindi- a small town of 6,000-10,000 on the NSW/Qld border.
- Taking some time out of law was the best thing for Nicky, enabling her to refocus and find her place in the profession.
- Nicky’s decision, while having a young family, to start her business.
- Nicky's 'team' of experts at her firm- a graphic designer, accountant, website guru and a stylist!
- The #RadLadyBoss campaign- where this came from and why!
- We discuss life in the regions vs the city and the differences and similarities in practice.
- Colour and creativity is a large part of Nicky's brand and she shares how this is being received by the local community.
- Tips and advice from Nicky as a lawyer and business owner and how she has managed the tricky times in her career.
- Nicky’s Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Nicky Grummitt
In this week’s episode of the ‘Happy Lawyer Happy Life Podcast’ I had the pleasure of interviewing personal injuries lawyer and all round green smoothie addict, Kate Avery. Another Brisbane local, Kate is the co-owner of the firm Kare lawyers. I knew there was a story to be told here and there was! Kate is a PI lawyer and a few years ago took the leap of faith with her colleague Renee Eglinton to start their own micro practice and they have together gone from strength to strength. In this day and age of large national law firms somewhat owning the PI space it was so interesting to hear from Kate just how and why she and Renee have invested in their own practice. Like so many of us Kate is also juggling her many roles of mum, lawyer, wife and business owner. She has a keen focuses on maintaing her own health to ensure she is the best for her loved ones and had some great tips to share in this chat on health and her top secret health win- the green smoothie! Kate has had moments of loving the law and some moments of less than loving the law and in this chat shares how she has kept all of that in perspective while focusing on finding her joy in the challenge and opportunities her role brings. In this interview Kate and I also chatted about-
- If Kate was not a lawyer she would have become a dietitian.
- Kate grew up in Beaudesert just west of Brisbane. She grew up with another great guest of mine John Cahill and together they were hanging out with her now husband David at pre-school! (Back in the day!)
- Kate fell into law which she studied in Brisbane before taking her first role in a firm in Toowoomba.
- The early years of Kate’s legal career and the advantages of working in a small town.
- Kate has always worked in the area of personal injuries and tells us the highs and lows of working in this area of the law.
- Kate and her husband David wanted to start a family and so she moved into insurance Law as she felt it would take less of an emotional toll on Kate.
- After being in Insurance Law for 9 years and her youngest going to school, Kate started her own firm, Kare Lawyers with her colleague and friend Renee Eglington.
- Running her own firm gave Kate the flexibility to work from home while raising her two small children.
- 3 years on from starting her firm, Kate loves the challenge, creativity and working with a team.
- Tips from Kate on starting a firm of her own.
- Managing a business and if Kate would recommend starting a firm to others.
- Kate’s passion for food and health and using this to show love to her family.
- Kates good advice of ‘comparison is the death of joy’ and the life that comes with a new day.
- Moving her body and being outside is great for Kate’s mental health and she encourages us to do the same.
- The future of Kare Lawyers, moving into a permanent space and how a co-working space has worked for her business.
- The changes that have happened in the area of personal injury law and Kate’s predictions for the future.
- Kate’s Happiness Tip
Sit back and enjoy this interview with Kate Avery.