CXMH: On Faith & Mental Health: Recent Episodes

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Robert and Holly talk about starting off a new year slowly (6:23): why it might be important (7:32), some practical ideas for being proactive (13:23), and some tools to keep for along the way (27:08).

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Ruth Haley Barton’s Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest: From Sabbath to Sabbatical and Back Again

• CXMH ep. 57 - Why We Need Better Sleep (& How to Get It) (feat. Dr. Michael Scullin)

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Content warning: this episode contains mentions of suicide, miscarriage, and loss.



This week we’re joined by Dr. Mary Cail, author of Dementia and the Church: Memory, Care, and Inclusion and Alzheimer's: A Crash Course for Friends and Relatives. She explains why the church’s role can be so important in caring for those impacted by dementia, some basic steps to start in memory ministry, and why ‘informed compassion’ is so important.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 142 - People Living With Dementia and Their Caregivers (feat. Dr. Brianna Garrison & Dr. Dennis Myers)

Connect with Mary on her website, on Facebook, or on Instagram. Buy Dementia and the Church: Memory, Care, and Inclusion on Amazon.

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This week Dr. Becky Bell Scott joins us to talk about integrating behavioral health into primary care settings. Dr. Scott isthe Program Director for Social Work in Primary Care Programs at Baylor University.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• the Hogg Foundation for Mental Health

• Collaborative Family Healthcare Association

• the Behavioral Health Consultant Certificate Course that Dr. Scott teaches

• Trauma-Focused CBT Certification program

• Parent-Child Interaction Therapy (PCIT)

• the Unified Protocol Institute

• The National Child Traumatic Stress Network

• iCare Collaborative

• a NYT article on how to find a therapist

Connect with Dr. Scott on her faculty page.

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This week we’re joined by Aureila Dávila Pratt: pastor, social work graduate, and author of A Brown Girl's Epiphany: Reclaim Your Intuition and Step into Your Power. We talk about stepping out of harmful paradigms and stepping into helpful ones.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 41 - Putting the Revolution Back In Racial Reconciliation (feat. Austin Channing Brown)

• CXMH ep. 129 - Healing Our Internal World, Spiritual Practices, & Moving Beyond Empire Theology (feat. Lisa Colón DeLay)

Connect with Rev. Pratt on her website, on Instagram, or on Twitter. Listen to the Nuance Tea podcast.

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This week, Holly interviews Robert! We talk about how we define adolescence, why it’s such an important time of life, and three specific shifts in our understanding that can be helpful when working with adolescents. This one’s for the parents, teachers, youth workers, therapists, and more!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Age Of Opportunity: Lessons from the New Science of Adolescenceby Laurence Steinberg

• Inventing Ourselves: The Secret Life of the Teenage Brain by Sarah-Jayne Blakemore

• Books by Dr. Lisa Damour:

• • Under Pressure: Confronting the Epidemic of Stress and Anxiety in Girls
• • Untangled: Guiding Teenage Girls Through the Seven Transitions into Adulthood

- - The Emotional Lives of Teenagers: Raising Connected, Capable, and Compassionate Adolescents

• Dr. Damour’s podcast: Ask Lisa: The Psychology of Parenting

• Parenting a Teen Who Has Intense Emotions: DBT Skills to Help Your Teen Navigate Emotional and Behavioral Challengesby Pat Harvey and Britt H. Rathbone

• The Teenage Brain: A Neuroscientist's Survival Guide to Raising Adolescents and Young Adults by Frances E. Jensen, MD

• CXMH ep. 168 - Our Teens are Sleep-Deprived (& It's Hurting Their Mental Health) (feat. Lisa L. Lewis)

• CXMH ep. 109 - Teens, Stress, & Mindfulness (feat. Gina Biegel)

• CXMH ep. 70 - Teens, Anxiety, & Self-Esteem (feat. Lisa Schab)

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Our favorite epidemiologist, Dr. Emily Smith, returns to the show this week for the first time since November 2020! She talks with us about her new book, The Science of the Good Samaritan: Thinking Bigger about Loving Our Neighbors.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 116 - Loving Your Neighbor During a Pandemic (feat. Dr. Emily Smith)

Connect with Dr. Smith on her SubStack, on Facebook, on Instagram, or buy her new book The Science of the Good Samaritan: Thinking Bigger about Loving Our Neighbors.

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This week Kayla Craig returns (having previously been on episode 134) to talk about her new book, Every Season Sacred: Reflections, Prayers, and Invitations to Nourish Your Soul and Nurture Your Family throughout the Year . We talk about praying with your kids, finding what works, how seasons shape us, and more. Kayla is the creator of Liturgies for Parents.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 134 - Prayers & Liturgies for Parents (feat. Kayla Craig)

• the free resources Kayla is giving CXMH listeners, including conversation cards, sample chapters, daily prayers, and a Spotify playlist.

Connect with Kayla on her website, on Facebook, Substack, Spotify, Instagram, or GoodReads. Buy Every Season Sacred: Reflections, Prayers, and Invitations to Nourish Your Soul and Nurture Your Family throughout the Year or her first book, To Light Their Way.

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To kick off season 8, we’re joined by Dr. Merideth Hite Estevez. Dr. Estevez talks to us about using creativity to reconnect with spirituality, recovering from burnout, and why inspiration should replace shame as the basis of education. Dr. Estevez is a professional oboist, founder of The Artists Joy, and author of The Artist's Joy: A Guide to Getting Unstuck, Embracing Imperfection, and Loving Your Creative Life.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• The Artist’s Way: A Spiritual Path to Higher Creativity by Julia Cameron

• Artists For Joy podcast episode: ‘Burnout’

• Artists for Joy podcast episode: ‘Listen to this when you feel burnt out’

Connect with Meredith on her website, Facebook, Instagram, or Threads. Preorder The Artist's Joy: A Guide to Getting Unstuck, Embracing Imperfection, and Loving Your Creative Life. Listen to the Artists For Joy podcast here.

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Robert and Holly return to kick off Season 8 of CXMH!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. Recast - Getting the Rest You Actually Need (feat. Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith)

• CXMH ep. 168 - Our Teens are Sleep-Deprived (& It's Hurting Their Mental Health) (feat. Lisa L. Lewis)

• CXMH ep. 169 - Enneagram Stances, Balance, & Moving Towards Wholeness (feat. Suzanne Stabile)

• CXMH ep. 163 - Mr. Rogers, Hospital Chaplaincy, & Living as a Holistic Story (feat. Rick Lee James)

• CXMH ep. 166 - Humility in a Narcissistic World (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren)

• CXMH ep. 159 - Creativity, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Stephen Roach)

• CXMH ep. 158 - Peace as a Practice (feat. Morgan Harper Nichols)

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We (Robert & Holly) reflect on Season 7, what we’ve learned over the past year (from the show and our lives), and look ahead to the summer.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Check out all the episodes from Season 7 and beyond on our episodes page!

• specific episodes we mention (in order of mention):

• CXMH ep. 170 - Felt Safety, Honoring Our Needs, & the Flow of Strength (feat. Aundi Kolber)

• CXMH ep. 162 - Celebrating One Year of The Soul of the Helper (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

• CXMH ep. 165 - Trauma-Informed Preaching (feat. Dr. Sarah Travis)

• CXMH ep. 164 - Self-Harm: Compassionate Understanding & Healing (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)

• Robert mentions a quote from Dr. Lisa Damour

• CXMH ep. 111 - Thriving in Adversity, Blooming in the Dark (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

• CXMH ep. 55 - CBT for Christians (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

• CXMH ep. 85 - Why & How Should Therapists Talk About Faith? (feat. Dr. Cassandra Vieten)

• CXMH ep. 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

• CXMH ep. 132 - Moral Injury (feat. Dr. Joseph Currier)

• CXMH ep. 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)

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We’re closing out Season 7 with one of our favorite people! Therapist and author Aundi Kolber is back to talk about her new book, Strong like Water: Finding the Freedom, Safety, and Compassion to Move through Hard Things--and Experience True Flourishing. We talk about why feeling safe matters, what our window of tolerance is, how the idea of our container can help, and how to navigate those things by trying softer.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Aundi’s first book, Try Softer: A Fresh Approach to Move Us out of Anxiety, Stress, and Survival Mode--and into a Life of Connection and Joy

• The Try Softer Guided Journey: A Soulful Companion to Healing

• CXMH ep. 89 - Trying Softer, Self Compassion, & Moving from Survival to Joy (feat. Aundi Kolber)

• CXMH ep. 42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)

• CXMH ep. 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)

• CXMH ep. 144 - Embodiment, Healing, & Working With Our Bodies (feat. Dr. Hillary McBride)

• CXMH ep. 124 - Nervous Systems, Bottom-Up Safety, & Learning from Each Other (feat. Nia Baker)

• CXMH ep. 153 - How to Be a Trauma-Informed Community (feat. Dr. Amy Marschall)

Connect with Aundi on her website, on Facebook, on Instagram, or on Twitter.

Buy Strong like Water: Finding the Freedom, Safety, and Compassion to Move through Hard Things--and Experience True Flourishing on Amazon. Buy her other books on Amazon.

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This week we’re joined by the one and only Enneagram Godmother, Suzanne Stabile! Suzanne is one of the most renowned experts on the Enneagram, as well as being the author/co-author of books such as The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery, The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey to Healthy Relationships, and her latest: The Journey Toward Wholeness: Enneagram Wisdom for Stress, Balance, and Transformation. She talks with us about what stances are, how understanding those leads us to transformation, and suggests spiritual practices that can help us find balance & wholeness.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 38 - The Enneagram & Our Faith Journey (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)

• CXMH ep. 39 - The Enneagram & Communities (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)

• CXMH ep. 92 - Neuroscience, Faith, Identity, the Enneagram, & Self-Care (feat. Dr. Jerome Lubbe)

• CXMH ep. 93 - Using the Enneagram & Neuroscience for Practical Growth (feat. Dr. Jerome Lubbe)

Connect with Suzanne on her website, on Twitter, on Instagram, or on Facebook. Listen to The Enneagram Journey podcast, or buy Suzanne’s books on Amazon. Learn more about Life in the Trinity Ministry.

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Studies show that when our teenagers get adequate sleep, it has huge impacts. From grades to safety to mental health, adolescents need more sleep then other ages. Unfortunately, the majority of adolescents in the United States aren’t getting enough sleep (and it’s usually because of school start times).

This week we’re joined by Lisa L. Lewis, author of The Sleep-Deprived Teen: Why Our Teenagers Are So Tired, and How Parents and Schools Can Help Them Thrive. She talks with us about how much sleep adolescents need, how we can help make changes from our houses to our school systems, and why it’s so important.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• We mention Start School Later, “a coalition of health professionals, sleep scientists, educators, parents, students, and other concerned citizens dedicated to increasing public awareness about the relationship between sleep and school hours and to ensuring school start times compatible with health, safety, education, and equity.”

• Learn more about Start School Later’s local chapters.

• CXMH ep. 57 - Why We Need Better Sleep (& How to Get It) (feat. Dr. Michael Scullin)

Connect with Lisa on her website, on Instagram, on Twitter, or buy The Sleep-Deprived Teen: Why Our Teenagers Are So Tired, and How Parents and Schools Can Help Them Thrive on Amazon.

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This week we’re joined by Regina Chow Trammel, co-author of A Counselor's Guide to Christian Mindfulness: Engaging the Mind, Body, and Soul in Biblical Practices and Therapies. She teaches us about the basics of mindfulness, how it can help, how it can work with Christian spirituality, and some practical tips for when mindfulness is hard.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Dr. Trammel’s Ted Talk: ‘Using Mindfulness to Deal with Everyday Pressures’

Connect with Regina on her website, on Instagram, on her faculty page, or buy A Counselor's Guide to Christian Mindfulness: Engaging the Mind, Body, and Soul in Biblical Practices and Therapies on Amazon.

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This week we’re joined by Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren, the author of Humble: Free Yourself from the Traps of a Narcissistic World. Daryl teaches us about different types of humility, how it can impact us & those around us, and how to cultivate humility in a world that’s increasingly narcissistic.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)

Connect with Daryl on his website, on Instagram, on Twitter, or buy Humble: Free Yourself from the Traps of a Narcissistic World on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “Humility…is our ability to know ourselves, to check ourselves, and go beyond ourselves.” (tweet)

• “Humility is about being the right size.” (tweet)

• “The moving sidewalk is always moving towards narcissistic arrogance.” (tweet)

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Today we’re joined by Rev. Dr. Sarah Travis, the author of Unspeakable: Preaching and Trauma-Informed Theology. She talks about what trauma-informed theology means, how that can shape preaching, and why preaching matters in the context of trauma. Dr. Travis teaches preaching at the University of Toronto and is also the author of Decolonizing Preaching: Decolonizing Preaching The Pulpit as Postcolonial Spaceand Metamorphosis: Preaching after Christendom.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)

• CXMH ep. 50 - Preaching About Mental Health (feat. Mary Alice Birdwhistell)

Connect with Dr. Travis on her website, her faculty page, or on Twitter. Buy Unspeakable: Preaching and Trauma-Informed Theologyon Amazon or check out Dr. Travis’s other books.

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Content warning: discussion of self-harm, suicide, and related topics.



This week we’re joined by Dr. Janis Whitlock, one of the authors of Healing Self-Injury: A Compassionate Guide for Parents and Other Loved Ones. Dr. Whitlock talks about what self-injury is (2:46), how it differs from suicidal actions (3:47), ways self-harm can happen (4:59), current rates/trends (6:07), how self-harm works (8:18), first steps when helping someone (13:50), and much more.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• get information about the forthcoming book The Oxford Handbook of Nonsuicidal Self-Injury

• Healing Self-Injury: A Compassionate Guide for Parents and Other Loved Ones by Janis Whitlock, PhD and Elizabeth Lloyd-Richardson, PhD

• CXMH ep. 12 - Non-Suicidal Self-Injury (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)

• Cornell’s Self-Injury & Recovery Resources page

Connect with Dr. Whitlock on her Cornell faculty page, or visit the SIRR page. Buy Healing Self-Injury: A Compassionate Guide for Parents and Other Loved Ones on Amazon.

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This week we’re rebroadcasting our interview from 2019 with Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith about different types of rest. Original show notes:

Have you ever wondered why you’re still tired if you’re getting enough sleep? How do we know if we’re actually even resting? Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith stops by the show to tell us about 7 different types of rest and how to make sure we’re actually restoring what we’re pouring out.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Dr. Dalton-Smith’s quiz to determine what types of rest you’re getting (or not getting)

• CXMH episode 86 - Grieving During the Holidays (feat. Lanta Carroll)

Connect with Dr. Dalton-Smith on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, or LinkedIn. You can also listen to her ‘I Choose My Best Life’ podcast or buy Sacred Rest: Recover Your Life, Renew Your Energy, Restore Your Sanity on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “Sleep and rest are not the same thing.” (tweet)

• “Rest should equal restoration in the same areas that I’m pouring out.” (tweet)

• “Rest isn’t laziness. Rest is part of the process of me being my best self.” (tweet)

• “Just stopping work is not rest.” (tweet)

• “Do we really want to pour out from our emptiness?” (tweet)

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We’re joined this week by Rick Lee James. Rick is a musician and worship leader, as well as running the biggest Mr. Rogers quotes account on Twitter, hosting a few podcasts, and is currently in a hospital chaplaincy program. We talk about all of those things, and how they interweave despite seemingly like separate areas of his life.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• The Simple Faith of Mister Rogers by Amy Hollingsworth

• CXMH ep. 143 - Seeing the Sacred in Ourselves & Each Other (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

• Rick’s song As I Walk These Halls

- Chaplaincy: A Ministry of Presenceby Matt Sanders

• I Am Mister Rogersby Brad Meltzer

Connect with Rick on his website, on Twitter, on Instagram, on Facebook, and listen to the Voices in My Head Podcast.

Stream his music wherever you listen to music using the links on his website.

Listen to Welcome To The Neighborhood: A Mr. Rogers Tribute Podcast, follow @MrRogersSay on Twitter or on Instagram.

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This week we celebrate that Holly’s book, The Soul of The Helper, has been out for over a year! She reflects on the past year and answers some Q&As that she’s gotten since the book released. At the end, she shares an excerpt from the book chosen specifically for the CXMH audience as well as an exclusive reflection & unpacking of the excerpt.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• buy The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others on Amazon

• CXMH ep. 143 - Seeing the Sacred in Ourselves & Each Other (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

• CXMH ep. 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

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This week, we’re recasting our interview from early 2021 with Brandon Johnson. The original show note is below:

Content warning: in this episode we talk about suicide

This week we’re joined by Brandon Johnson, public health expert and creator of The Black Mental Wellness Lounge. We talk about why conversations specific to black mental health matter (including suicide prevention), how a public health lens helps, and the role that the black church can play. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about famous people from their hometowns.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• the Instagram Live that Robert & Holly did recently

• order Holly’s book now: The Soul of The Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others

• The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on YouTube

• the video we mention: “Mental Health and The Black Church Roundtable”

• CXMH ep. 25 - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)

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This week we’re joined by Eryn Eddy, founder of So Worth Loving! We talk about sharing our stories, when that can be unhealthy, navigating burnout & divorce, healing, and how we can find our self-worth along the journey. Eryn is also the author of So Worth Loving: How Discovering Your True Value Changes Everything.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Waiting to be Wanted: A Stepmom's Guide to Loving Before Being Loved by Cheryl Shumake

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This week we’re joined by Kevin Sweeney to talk about letting go, and how that can change both our internal & external lives. We also talk about mysticism, mushrooms, and weird interactions at the airport. Kevin is the author of The Joy of Letting Go: How One Thing Has the Power to Change Everything.

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In our first interview for Season 7, we’re joined by Stephen Roach. Stephen talks to us about creativity, faith, mental health, and how all of those things intersect.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Makers & Mystics S9 E02: The Soul of The Helper with Holly Oxhandler

• Stephen’s book Naming the Animals: An Invitation to Creativity

• CXMH ep. 80 - Music & Ministry (feat. Rivers & Robots)

- CXMH ep. 122 - How Writing Can Shape Your Past, Present, & Future (feat. Allison Fallon)

• Faith, Hope and Carnage by Nick Cave & Seán O’Hagan

• The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin

Connect with Stephen on Instagram, Twitter,

Listen to Makers & Mystics, check out The Breath & The Clay, or listen to Songs of Water.

Quotes:

• “Creativity is inherently spiritual. And healthy spirituality will always be expressed through creativity.”

• “Whatever way we bring truth, goodness, and beauty to the world; that’s the art that the world needs.”

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After taking the fall off, we’re back and excited to kick off Season 7! In this episode, we talk about why we paused the show and where we go from here.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Embracing Rhythms of Work and Rest: From Sabbath to Sabbatical and Back Again by Ruth Haley Barton

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Robert and Holly reflect on Season 6 and look toward the summer break from the show.

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Morgan Harper Nichols reading her poem “Witness.” This clip is from our recent episode, 158 - Peace as a Practice (feat. Morgan Harper Nichols).

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For our last interview of Season 6, we’re excited to have the return of Morgan Harper Nichols! She talks to us about her recent autism diagnosis, how viewing peace as a practice is helpful, and some ways to engage in that practice. Morgan is an artist, a poet, and the author of Peace Is a Practice: An Invitation to Breathe Deep and Find a New Rhythm for Life.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 138 - Autism, Faith, & the Gifts of Neurodiversity (feat. Daniel Bowman Jr.)

• CXMH ep. 90 - Small Beginnings, Other People's Stories, & Being Made to Make (feat. Morgan Harper Nichols)

Connect with Morgan on her website, on Instagram, on Twitter, on Pinterest, or on Facebook. Buy Peace Is a Practice: An Invitation to Breathe Deep and Find a New Rhythm for Life on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “There are no real destinations in nature.” (tweet)

• “If we want to practice peace, we have to do it collectively.” (tweet)

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This week we talk with writer, pastor, and therapist Eric Minton. He talks to us about his new book It's Not You, It's Everything: What Our Pain Reveals about the Anxious Pursuit of the Good Life. Why are we all so depressed and anxious? Are those things individual concerns or reflections of larger problems with our society? Eric gives us his thoughts from his years working in helping professions.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Caring for Souls in a Neoliberal Age by Bruce Rogers-Vaughn

• Bruce Rogers-Vaughn’s article: “Blessed Are Those Who Mourn: Depression as Political Resistance”

Connect with Eric on his website, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Buy It's Not You, It's Everything: What Our Pain Reveals about the Anxious Pursuit of the Good Life.

Quotes:

• “What if…we’re constantly given individual responsibility for bearing the symptoms of an out-of-control society, and then blamed for not being better at doing it?” (tweet)

• “I’d like us to connect the pain to the actual experience we’re having as people on earth.” (tweet)

• “If we listen to our pain before turning it into a symptom or a disease or an individual failure, it will tell us something.” (tweet)

• “I think it’s more helpful if we can treat our pain respectfully and empathize with it for a minute, rather than immediately pathologizing it or internalizing it as a form of failure.” (tweet)

• “Sometimes the ways in which teenagers exhibit the symptoms that we hate to see as adults, I think they’re giving us really keen insight into what the problem is.” (tweet)

• “When all of us are parentified by a system that is destructively entitled to us…it’s difficult to survive.” (tweet)

• “When capitalism remains an unchecked feature of our lives, it becomes internalized to the point that we use a business framework for making decisions about everything.” (tweet)

• “What does it look like to practice Christianity, which is a radial form of collectivism and self-sacrifice, in a world that’s only interested in self-interest?” (tweet)

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This week we talk with Diana Gruver, author of Companions in the Darkness: Seven Saints Who Struggled with Depression and Doubt. She talks to us about the struggles of people like Charles Spurgeon, Mother Theresa, William Cowper, Martin Luther King Jr., and more. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about historical figures that have shaped them.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 155 - Spirituality in Therapy Sessions (feat. Russell Siler Jones)

• the Look Up Conference that Holly mentions

• the Puddcast ep #110: Facing depression with saints from the past (with Diana Gruver)

Connect with Diana on her website, on Facebook, or on Twitter. Buy Companions in the Darkness: Seven Saints Who Struggled with Depression and Doubt on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “I don’t know of a better way to unravel stigma than through the telling of stories.” (tweet)

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This week we’re joined by Russell Siler Jones to talk about his book Spirit in Session: Working with Your Client’s Spirituality (and Your Own) in Psychotherapy. He talks with us about why spirituality matters for all of us, some ways spirituality shows up in conversations, and why paying attention to our own spiritual journey is important to helping others.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• ACPE’s website, and their Spiritually Integrated Psychotherapy (SIP) program

• CXMH ep. 81 - Closing the Chasm Between Spirituality & Treatment (feat. Dr. David Rosmarin)

• CXMH ep. 85 - Why & How Should Therapists Talk About Faith? (feat. Dr. Cassandra Vieten)

• CXMH ep. 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

• CXMH ep. 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

• Russell mentions the work of Brian Doyle (specifically, Mink River)

Connect with Russell on his website and buy Spirit in Session: Working with Your Client’s Spirituality (and Your Own) in Psychotherapy on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “We’re never not a physical body, we’re never not a mind, and we’re never not a spirit. It’s always there.” (tweet)

• “When patience is happening, something spiritual is happening. When kindness is happening, something spiritual is happening.” (tweet)

• “The way through a struggle is through it, not around it.” (tweet)

• “If you’ve ever been Job, you know what it’s like when friends show up and try to give you easy answers.” (tweet)

• “Being on your own spiritual journey is probably the best thing you can do to be able to accompany others on their spiritual journey.” (tweet)

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Content warning: grief, death, loss, and brief mention of suicide death

Today we’re joined by Dr. Jill Harrington, editor of Superhero Grief: the Transformative Power of Loss. She teaches us about grieving styles, the continuing bonds theory, and unpacks some types of loss (such as cumulative & collective loss and ambiguous loss).

Jill A. Harrington, DSW, LCSW is an Adjunct Professor for the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, Washington DC Campus (TCSPP-DC) as well as a Part-Time Lecturer for Rutgers University School of Social Work. Dr. Harrington also maintains an active clinical counseling practice in the Greater Washington DC Area. She is one of the first published authors on the subject of bereavement in U.S. military families and she has been a practicing social worker for over twenty years with a special focus on the intersection of trauma, loss, and bereavement. She has published numerous peer-reviewed articles and book chapters, and is the creator & lead editor of the new, creative textbook, entitled, Superhero Grief: The Transformative Power of Loss (2021).

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• the Look Up Conference that Holly mentions in the intro

• Holly’s upcoming ACPE webinar on April 22nd

• Holly mentions Joe Padilla’s episode: 88 - Practical Tools for Mental Health Ministry (feat. Joe Padilla)

• CXMH ep. 151 - Grief, Certainty, Deconstruction, & Superheroes (feat. James Prescott)

• CXMH ep. 131 - Finding Joy Amidst Tragedy (feat. Dr. Angela Gorrell)

• CXMH ep. 111 - Thriving in Adversity, Blooming in the Dark (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

• CXMH ep. 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)

• CXMH ep. 42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)

• CXMH ep. 19 - "There are parts of me that will never be completely healed." (feat. Kay Warren)

• CXMH ep. 17 - Grief & Loss (feat. John Pavlovitz & Dr. Elizabeth Horn)

Connect with Dr. Harrington on Facebook, on Twitter, or get Superhero Grief: The Transformative Power of Loss on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “As death is permanent, so is our relationship with people we love. So grief is always with us. Always.” (tweet)

• “If we love people…we’re never going to just ‘let them go’ or ‘get over it.’” (tweet)

• “Death may end…a physical life, but that relationship never dies. It just changes.” (tweet)

• “We need time to process loss. Because loss spurns on change, and change requires us to adapt.” (tweet)

• “We need to create a more grief-informed society.” (tweet)

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On this week’s episode we’re joined by Dr. Amy Marschall to talk about being a trauma-informed community. What does ‘trauma-informed’ even mean? What changes when we use that lens? How does it shape caring for others (and ourselves)? We talk about all this and more!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Trauma-Informed Pastoral Care: How to Respond When Things Fall Apart by Karen McClintock

• Bearing the Unbearable: Trauma, Gospel, and Pastoral Care by Deborah van Deusen Hunsinger

• CXMH ep. 124 - Nervous Systems, Bottom-Up Safety, & Learning from Each Other (feat. Nia Baker)

• CXMH ep. 89 - Trying Softer, Self Compassion, & Moving from Survival to Joy (feat. Aundi Kolber)

• CXMH ep. 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)

Connect with Dr. Marschall on her website, on Facebook, on Twitter, or buy her books on Amazon. Find her upcoming trainings through PESI.

Quotes:

• “[Trauma] is less about an event and more about what happens after.” (tweet)

• “The same event for two different people can have a completely different impact.” (tweet)

• “Mental health is a very physical experience.” (tweet)

• “Behavior is to get our needs met.” (tweet)

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This week we talk with Niro Feliciano about the difference between happiness & contentment (13:02), why happiness is so hard to find in the first place (17:37), and the 8 keys to contentment (24:11). These keys include things like connection (27:38) and present focus (33:34). In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about birthday parties for animals!

Niro Feliciano is a psychotherapist, podcast host, national media commentator, and expert on anxiety, brain science, and spirituality. She holds a master’s degree in social work from Columbia University and is a columnist for PsychologyToday. A first-generation Sri Lankan American, she lives with her family in Fairfield County, Connecticut. She’s the author of This Book Won’t Make You Happy: Eight Keys to Finding True Contentment.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 139 - Calling, Adulting, and the Changing World of Work (feat. Dr. Michaela O'Donnell)

• CXMH ep. 115 - Gratitude & Mental Health

• The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos

• CXMH ep. 107 - Why Small Changes Are the Key to Changing Your Brain (feat. Dr. Alex Korb)

Connect with Niro on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or YouTube. Listen to All Things Life with Niro Feliciano. Buy This Book Won't Make You Happy: Eight Keys to Finding True Contentment on Amazon.

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On today’s episode, we talk with author & podcaster James Prescott! We talk about grief, how learning how to grief can guide us through certainty & deconstruction, and we hear a lot of James’s story. Also, he talks about superheroes!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Poema S6 034 | Holly Oxhandler on Mental Health & Church During & Beyond The Pandemic

• Poema S7 039 | Living with ADHD: Robert Vore APC, NCC, CCATP

• CXMH ep. 17 - Grief & Loss (feat. John Pavlovitz & Dr. Elizabeth Horn)

• CXMH ep. 42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)

• CXMH ep. 133 - The Power of Lament (feat. Abby Norman)

Connect with James on his website, on Facebook, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Listen to Poema Podcast and The Kryptonian, The Princess, & The Avenger.

Quotes:

• “Grief never leaves you.” (tweet)

• “Culturally, we do not do grief well.” (tweet)

• “Grief is circular, I have found.” (tweet)

• “When doing grief work, you’re not aiming for a destination. You’re just aiming to heal and to grow.” (tweet)

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Today we’re joined by Emmy Kegler to talk about her new book, All Who Are Weary: Easing the Burden on the Walk with Mental Illness. In the intro, we talk about Spring Break and how Holly might’ve taken the ‘break’ part of that a little too practically.

Connect with Emmy on her website, on Facebook, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Listen to Cafeteria Christian.

Buy her books: All Who Are Weary: Easing the Burden on the Walk with Mental Illness and One Coin Found: How God's Love Stretches to the Margins.

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This week we’re joined by Brandon Johnson, public health expert and creator of The Black Mental Wellness Lounge. We talk about why conversations specific to black mental health matter (including suicide prevention), how a public health lens helps, and the role that the black church can play. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about famous people from their hometowns.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• the Instagram Live that Robert & Holly did recently

• order Holly’s book now: The Soul of The Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others

• The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on YouTube

• the video we mention: “Mental Health and The Black Church Roundtable”

• CXMH ep. 25 - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)

Connect with Brandon on Twitter, or check out The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on YouTube. Connect with The Black Mental Wellness Lounge on Facebook or on Instagram.

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• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

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• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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It’s book launch day for Holly’s brand new book The Soul of The Helper! To celebrate, we’re releasing the interview we did where Robert interviews Holly about it. In a really special intro, Robert’s copy of the book gets delivered (seriously) and Holly reads the Intention from the book for our listeners. (There’s a lot of Robert’s dog Nox in this intro.)

Original Show Notes:

This week is a special episode of CXMH! Robert interviews our very own Dr. Holly Oxhandler about the ideas in her upcoming book, The Soul of The Helper. Holly teaches us about her Namaste Theory, how we can see the sacred within ourselves, and why that’s critical for anyone that is serving others in some capacity.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• If you preoder Holly’s book, get your free giveaways here!

• CXMH ep. 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

• the CXMH episode where Holly joins as co-host: Introducing Dr. Holly Oxhandler!

• CXMH ep. 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

• CXMH ep. 61 - How to Set Goals & Make Changes (feat. Susette Magana & Brandon Cook from The Desire Line)

• learn more about the Transtheoretical Model of Change (Stages of Change)

• Robert briefly mentions Peter Scazzero’s book Emotionally Healthy Spirituality

• CXMH ep. 95 - 3 Shapes of Pain & What Divine Love Has to Say (feat. Seth Haines)

• CXMH ep. 96 - Waking Up, How We Numb Our Pain, & Embodying Our Faith (feat. Seth Haines)

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Ways to support CXMH:

• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

• Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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This week we talk with Kevin Nye, author of the upcoming book Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness. Kevin tells us about how COVID has impacted homelessness, why the housing first model is so important, and how homelessness is related to faith and mental health.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• preorder Kevin’s upcoming book, Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness

• Preorder Holly’s book now: The Soul of The Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others

• The 2020 Annual Homeless Assessment Report (AHAR) to Congress that Robert references

• Kevin’s article ‘What Can We Do About Homelessness and Mental Illness?’ where he discussed the Housing First model

Connect with Kevin on his website, on Facebook, or on Twitter. Preorder Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness on Amazon. Listen to Kevin on The Kryptonian, The Princess, & The Avenger wherever you get podcasts.

Quotes:

• “It’s cheaper to give someone an apartment than to allow them to live on the streets.” (tweet)

• “We spend so much money to keep people homeless.” (tweet)

• “What’s ideological is also theological.” (tweet)

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• give a one-time gift using PayPal

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This week we’re rereleasing our conversation from 2019 with Holly Stallcup & Dr. Bella DePaulo about singleness. Here’s the link to preorder Dr. Holly Oxhandler’s new book! Original show notes below:

It’s Valentine’s week, and one important conversation to have is about singleness. What messages do people get about being single? Are there positives and negatives? How can the church do a better job at creating space for single people to exist and to lead? We’re joined by Dr. Bella DePaulo and Holly Stallcup to talk about it.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Bella’s TedTalk ‘What No one Ever Told You About People Who Are Single’

• Bella has tons of books on Amazon, man of which are on singleness

• Holly mentions Jenna DeWitt and Gina Dalfonzo (author of One by One: Welcome the Singles in Your Church)

Connect with Dr. Bella DePaulo on her website, Twitter, Facebook, read her blogs ‘Living Single on Psychology Today and ‘Single at Heart’ on Psych Central, or buy any of her books on Amazon.

Connect with Holly Stallcup on Twitter or learn more about Now She Rises.

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Ways to support CXMH:

• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

• Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

• Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

• Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

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This week we talk with pastor & author Courtney Ellis about playfulness! Why it matters, how it can show up in our everyday lives, and how to play more regularly. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about games they’ve enjoyed recently.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 63 - Uncluttering Our Spaces, Our Schedules, & Our Lives (feat. Courtney Ellis)

• the GoodReads giveaway for Holly’s book!

• The Honest Truth About Dishonesty: How We Lie to Everyone--Especially Ourselves by Dan Ariely

• Preorder Holly’s book now: The Soul of The Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It In Others

Connect with Courtney on her website, on Twitter, on Facebook, or on Instagram. Buy Happy Now: Let Playfulness Lift Your Load and Renew Your Spirit on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “One of the best tools we have to find our way back into happiness is the tool of play.” (tweet)

• “Play and playfulness are not luxury items, they’re essentials to healthy life and healthy faith and healthy relationships.” (tweet)

• “It is the folks in our midst that have suffering the most that have the most to teach us about joy.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:

• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

• Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

• Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

• Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

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This week we’re joined by Dr. Beth Allison Barr, historian and author of The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. She tells us about the role of women throughout Christian history, why understand that matters today, and why understanding context is important.

Connect with Dr. Barr on her website, on Twitter, or on Facebook. Buy The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth on Amazon.

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Ways to support CXMH:

• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

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• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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This week we’re joined by Matthew Paul Turner (author of children’s books like When God Made Light, When God Made You, and more). Matthew talks to us about why children’s books is important in our view of ourselves & God, he answers some questions from young fans, and he reads us some portions from his upcoming books. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about their favorite children’s books.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Preorder Holly’s book, The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others!

• Matthew’s books that we mention:

• • I Am God’s Dream (releasing March 2022)
• • What Is God Like? (with Rachel Held Evans)
• • When God Made You
• • When God Made Light
• • When I Pray For You
• • Our Great Big American God: A Short History of Our Ever-Growing Deity (one of MPT’s adult non-fiction books)

Connect with Matthew on his website, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or YouTube. Buy his books on Amazon.

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Ways to support CXMH:

• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

• Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

• Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

• Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

• Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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To kick off the second half of Season 6, we talk with Dr. Hillary McBride! Hillary is a therapist, research, podcaster, and the author of The Wisdom of Your Body: Finding Healing, Wholeness, and Connection Through Embodied Living. She talks to us about how embodiment is different from body image, how it can change our understanding of healing & theology, and how to understand our ‘stress staircase.’

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• CXMH ep. 34 - Self-Image, Parenting, & Learning to Love Ourselves As We Are (feat. Hillary McBride)

• Hillary’s other books: Mothers, Daughters, and Body Image: Learning to Love Ourselves as We Are and Embodiment and Eating Disorders: Theory, Research, Prevention and Treatment

• Preorder Holly’s book, The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others!

Connect with Hillary on her website, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Listen to her podcast ‘Other People’s Problems.’ Buy The Wisdom of Your Body: Finding Healing, Wholeness, and Connection Through Embodied Living on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “If we think about ‘body image,’ the construct still keeps us in the territory of image: it is still about how we appear.” (tweet)

• “Embodiment is our birthright, it is how we are born. It is something that is the most true about us.” (tweet)

• “The way we’ve constructed our society and our healing methods are very disembodied. The way we understand ourselves is disembodied. But the body has not abandoned us as humanity.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:

• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

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• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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Robert and Holly chat before taking the holiday break off! We talk about our experiences being in Christmas plays (03:51), our favorite Christmas songs (10:56), reflect on the first half of Season 6 (14:18), and our hopes for the listeners over the next month (20:28). If you’re curious about Holly’s experience being a Super French Conductor Star (I’m serious), you’ll want to give this one a listen.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• Preorder Holly’s book The Soul of the Helper here!

• we talk about the first half of Season 6, including these episodes:

• ep. 134 - Prayers & Liturgies for Parents (feat. Kayla Craig)

• ep. 135 - The Importance of Connecting Faith & Mental Health in This Moment

• ep. 136 - Motherhood & Contemplative Spirituality (feat. Shannon Evans)

• ep. 137 - Love, Justice, & Memento Mori (feat. Marlena Graves)

• ep. 138 - Autism, Faith, & the Gifts of Neurodiversity (feat. Daniel Bowman Jr.)

• ep. 139 - Calling, Adulting, and the Changing World of Work (feat. Dr. Michaela O'Donnell)

• ep. 140 - Understanding Suicidal Thoughts (feat. Dr. Kathryn Gordon)

• ep. 141 - Navigating Suicidal Thoughts (feat. Dr. Kathryn Gordon)

• ep. 142 - People Living With Dementia and Their Caregivers (feat. Dr. Brianna Garrison & Dr. Dennis Myers)

• ep. 143 - Seeing the Sacred in Ourselves & Each Other (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)

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• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

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• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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This week is a special episode of CXMH! Robert interviews our very own Dr. Holly Oxhandler about the ideas in her upcoming book, The Soul of The Helper. Holly teaches us about her Namaste Theory, how we can see the sacred within ourselves, and why that’s critical for anyone that is serving others in some capacity.

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To celebrate Tanner Olson’s new book Walk A Little Slower: A Collection of Poems and Other Words, we’re sharing this recording of ‘Walk A Little Slower’ that Tanner recorded specifically for CXMH.

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This week we’re joined by Dr. Brianna Garrison & Dr. Dennis Myers. They teach us about dementia, how to care for those living with it, and how to care for their caregivers. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about ways they’ve been cared for.

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This week we share part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Kathryn Gordon based on The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook. She talks us through some strategies for navigating suicidal thoughts such as Uncovering Causes (08:18), Coping with Crises (10:27), Reducing Emotional Pain (14:26), Fostering Self-Acceptance and Compassion (17:46), and Making Meaning (20:51).

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Content warning: suicide, self-injury

In part 1 of a 2 part conversation with Dr. Kathryn Gordon, she tells us how we can understand suicidal thoughts, how contexts & environments might play a role, and more. Dr. Gordon is the author of The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• preorder Holly’s book now!

• the research Robert mentions in the intro about sports teams and rates of suicidal ideation

• Dr. Thomas Joiner’s book Why People Die By Suicide

• learn more about Klonsky & May’s ‘3 Step Theory of Suicide’ here.

• CXMH ep. 37 - Diagnosing Darth Vader (feat. Dr. Katie Gordon & Brandon Saxton)

• CXMH ep. Bonus! Suicide Prevention Resources

• CXMH ep. 12 - Non-Suicidal Self-Injury (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)

• CXMH ep. 15 - Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)

• CXMH ep. 24 - Speaking of Suicide (feat. Dr. Stacey Freedenthal)

• CXMH ep. 130 - I Love Jesus, but I Want to Die (feat. Sarah J. Robinson)

Connect with Dr. Gordon on her website, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Buy The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook: CBT Skills to Reduce Emotional Pain, Increase Hope, and Prevent Suicide on Amazon.

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• give a one-time gift using PayPal

• Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

• Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

• Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

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This week we talk with Dr. Michaela O’Donnell, the executive director of Fuller Seminary’s Max De Pree Center for Leadership and the author of the new book Make Work Matter: Your Guide to Meaningful Work in a Changing World. She tells us about how the world of work has changed, why adulting seems so hard, and how we could navigate things moving forward. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about their favorite jobs.

Connect with Dr. O’Donnell on Instagram. Connect with the De Pree Center on their website, on Facebook, on Twitter, or on Instagram. Buy Make Work Matter: Your Guide to Meaningful Work in a Changing World on Amazon.

Quotes:

• “We can’t necessarily predict what the world’s gonna look like in 5 years, only that it’s gonna be pretty different than it is right now.” (tweet)

• “We have, in American society, deemed work as a place we’re going to get primary identity and significance.” (tweet)

• “We treat work like our vehicle for meaning.” (tweet)

• “Wanting work to matter is, in many ways, a privilege conversation.” (tweet)

• “If work is a place for our significance, then if we do more of it that should be more significant.” (tweet)

• “One thing that’s least helpful is this idea that younger people are entitled and/or just aren’t putting in the time. Actually, we’re in a whole different world.” (tweet)

• “People change jobs between 11 and 17 times now.” (tweet)

• “Wherever there is challenge there is also opportunity.” (tweet)

• “Capitalism was never meant to be our vehicle for calling.” (tweet)

• “The very basis for doing the meaningful work that we crave can always benefit from starting with empathy.” (tweet)

• “Inner work sets the stage for any external work that we would do in the world.” (tweet)

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• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

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• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

• Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

• Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

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Daniel Bowman Jr. stops by the show to talk with us about neurodiversity, seeing our differences as a gift, and some of his own personal story. Daniel is the author of On The Spectrum: Autism, Faith & the Gifts of Neurodiversity. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about things they’ve learned about themselves as adults.

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Content warning: death, abortion, loss

This week we’re joined by Marlena Graves to talk about how justice and love intertwine, as well as her book The Way Up Is Down: Becoming Yourself by Forgetting Yourself. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about books that have helped them understand other people better.

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This week we’re joined by Shannon Evans to talk about her new book Rewilding Motherhood: Your Path to an Empowered Feminine Spirituality. In the intro, Holly gets a fun surprise and Robert gets a pillow.

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This week, we share the audio from Holly’s talk at the recent Church Mental Health Summit. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about the things gained & lost with virtual events.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• In the intro, Holly mentions the Gil Taylor Behavioral Health Symposium on Oct. 8th.

• Our talks from last year’s Church Mental Health Summit:

• • ep. 113 - Self-Care for Helpers
• • ep. 114 - Having Conversation About Mental Health That Help

• Preorder Holly’s book! The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others

• get Holly’s 1 week Self-Care for Helpers Guide here

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

• Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

• Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play

• Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

• Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here

• Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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Kayla Craig reads her “Prayer for the Overwhelmed” from her upcoming book, To Light Their Way: A Collection of Prayers and Liturgies for Parents.This is an excerpt from our full interview with Kayla in episode 134.

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In our first interview of Season 6, we’re joined by Kayla Craig! She talks with us about honest prayers, writing liturgies, and finding ways to feel God while parenting.

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Kayla Craig reads her “Prayer for a Child with Big Feelings” from her upcoming book, To Light Their Way: A Collection of Prayers and Liturgies for Parents.This is an excerpt from our full interview with Kayla in episode 134.

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Robert and Holly are back for Season 6! We kick things off by talking about what happened over the summer, what we’re looking forward to in the fall, and why we’re excited about this season.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:

• order Hiding in the Pews: Shining Light on Mental Illness in the Church by Steve Austin

• the GoFundMe for Steve’s family

• Preorder Holly’s book! The Soul of the Helper: Seven Stages to Seeing the Sacred Within Yourself So You Can See It in Others

Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!

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Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Ways to support CXMH:

• make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!

• give a one-time gift using PayPal

• Buy books from previous guests on Bookshop

• Do your Amazon shopping through this link

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• Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support

• Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here

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Robert and Holly sign off for the summer! In our final episode of Season 5: we share our reflections on the season (4:10), why we take the summer off (11:28), what we’re reading this summer (17:06), and ways we plan to rest (25:20).

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk, M.D.- When It Is Darkest : Why People Die by Suicide and What We Can Do to Prevent It by Rory O’Connor- CXMH ep. 87 - Getting the Rest You Actually Need (feat. Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith)- Sacred Rest: Recover Your Life, Renew Your Energy, Restore Your Sanity by Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith- The Wisdom of Your Body: Finding Healing, Wholeness, and Connection Through Embodied Living by Hillary McBride, PhD- The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth by Beth Allison Barr- Hiding in the Pews: Shining Light on Mental Illness in the Church by Steve Austin- The Deeper Journey: The Spirituality of Discovering Your True Self by M. Robert Mulholland Jr.- On the Spectrum: Autism, Faith, and the Gifts of Neurodiversity by Daniel Bowman Jr.- When Thoughts and Prayers Aren't Enough: A Shooting Survivor's Journey into the Realities of Gun Violence by Taylor Schumann- The Suicidal Thoughts Workbook: CBT Skills to Reduce Emotional Pain, Increase Hope, and Prevent Suicide by Kathryn Hope Gordon, PhD- What Is God Like? by Rachel Held Evans and Matthew Paul Turner- When God Made You by Matthew Paul Turner

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This week we’re joined by Abby Norman, author of the new book You Can Talk to God Like That: The Surprising Power of Lament to Save Your Faith. She tells us about lament on a personal level, a community level, and a societal level.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH ep. 131 - Finding Joy Amidst Tragedy (feat. Dr. Angela Gorrell)

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Quotes:- “Lament is the other side of the praise & worship coin.” (tweet)- “All the Old Testament prophets are public nuisances.” (tweet)- “Christians should be the best at being wrong.” (tweet)

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This week' we’re joined by Dr. Joseph Currier to talk about moral injury. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about funny ways they’ve gotten injured.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)- CXMH 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)

Connect with Dr. Currier using his faculty page or email him at jcurrier@southalabama.edu. Buy Joe’s book on Amazon: Addressing Moral Injury in Clinical Practice or Trauma, Meaning, and Spirituality: Translating Research into Clinical Practice.

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Content warning: suicide, substance abuse, loss.

This week we’re joined by Rev. Dr. Angela Gorrell to talk about her job studying joy, a season of unexpected losses, and what she learned when those two collided. Angela’s new book is The Gravity of Joy: A Story of Being Lost and Found.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH ep. 84 - Technology, Media, & Living Our Theology (feat. Dr. Angela Gorrell)

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Content warning: in this episode we talk about suicide, self-harm, bad therapy experiences, and more.———This week we’re joined by the wonderful Sarah J. Robinson! Sarah’s upcoming book I Love Jesus, But I Want to Die: Finding Hope in the Darkness of Depression shares her journey of wrestling with things like suicidal thoughts and self-harm while also figuring out her faith.

Find a list of suicide/crisis hotlines here.Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Sarah’s original blog post: “I love Jesus but I want to die: what you need to know about suicide”- CXMH ep. 15 - Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)- CXMH ep. 12 - Non-Suicidal Self-Injury (feat. Dr. Janis Whitlock)- CXMH ep. 24 - Speaking of Suicide (feat. Dr. Stacey Freedenthal)- Free PDF: The Role of Faith Communities in Suicide Prevention: A Guidebook for Faith Leaders by Timothy Doty & Sally Spencer-Thomas- Free PDF: Suicide Prevention Competencies for Faith Leaders: Supporting Life Before, During and After a Suicidal Crisis by the National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention- Myths About Suicide by Thomas Joiner- Why People Die By Suicide by Thomas Joiner- Helping the Suicidal Person: Tips and Techniques for Professionals by Stacey Freedenthal

Connect with Sarah on her website, Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook.Preorder I Love Jesus, But I Want to Die: Finding Hope in the Darkness of Depression on Amazon.

Quotes:- “You’re supposed to tell this story of redemption, and I felt like my story was going the other way.” (tweet)- “You are worth everything it takes to get better.” (tweet)- “The darkness may always be there, but God will always be there in the darkness.” (tweet)- “When I have had people of faith respond really well, I think they’ve responded without feeling like they need to have answers.” (tweet)- “You don’t have to understand to make your loved one feel safe and cared for.” (tweet)- “They call therapy ‘doing the work’ because it is work.” (tweet)

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We’re joined by author & podcast host Lisa Colón DeLay to talk about exploring our internal landscapes. Lisa explains why it’s important to hear from more than just culturally dominant theologians, how spiritual practices can help us learn more about ourselves, and how we can find healing.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- the Johari Window that Lisa talks about

Connect with Lisa on her website, Twitter, Instagram, or Facebook. Buy The Wild Land Within: Cultivating Wholeness through Spiritual Practice on Amazon.Connect with Spark My Muse on Twitter, Facebook, or listen where you listen to podcasts. Support Lisa & Spark My Muse on Patreon.

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This week we’re joined by Charlotte Donlon, author of The Great Belonging: How Loneliness Leads Us to Each Other. We talk about belonging to ourselves, each other, to places, through art, and to God.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Loneliness: Human Nature and the Need for Social Connection by John T. Cacioppo & William Patrick- CXMH ep. 125 - One Year of COVID

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Quotes:- “Loneliness gives us an opportunity to think about the ways we belong.” (tweet)

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This week we’re joined by Dr. David H. Rosmarin to talk about how we make connections internally, interpersonally, and spiritually. Dr. Rosmarin’s newest book is The Connections Paradigm: Ancient Jewish Wisdom for Modern Mental Health.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH ep. 81 - Closing the Chasm Between Spirituality & Treatment (feat. Dr. David Rosmarin)

Learn more about Dr. Rosmarin’s work here.Buy The Connections Paradigm: Ancient Jewish Wisdom for Modern Mental Health on Amazon.

Quotes:- “Disconnection begets further disconnection.” (tweet)- “You have to have a relationship with yourself. This is fundamental.” (tweet)

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Robert and Holly talk about 5 ideas for getting work done as an adult with ADHD, how they’ve used them, and learning to work with yourself instead of against yourself.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- the article that’s the basis for this conversation: 5 Ideas for Working as Someone with Adult ADHD- More Attention, Less Deficit: Success Strategies for Adults with ADHD by Ari Tuckman- CXMH ep. 122 - How Writing Can Shape Your Past, Present, & Future (feat. Allison Fallon)- Fuel Your Brain, Not Your Anxiety: Stop the Cycle of Worry, Fatigue, and Sugar Cravings with Simple Protein-Rich Foods by Kristen Allott and Natasha Duarte- The Accidental Creative podcast episode: Leadership Is Language (with L. David Marquet)- CXMH ep. 48 - How Does Nutrition Impact Our Mental Health? (feat. Dr. Leslie Korn)- Robert’s Spotify playlist: Instrumentals for Focus/Creative Time

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Robert and Holly talk about the one year anniversary of COVID-19 being declared a global pandemic, trauma anniversaries, what we’ve learned over the past year, and how they’re balancing hope with grief right now.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Jennifer King’s article A Year Later, The Body Remembers- Adults Reporting Symptoms of Anxiety or Depressive Disorder During COVID-19 Pandemic- Article: Ring Lights And Late Nights: How The Remote Revolution Has Changed The Workforce- CXMH ep. 124 - Nervous Systems, Bottom-Up Safety, & Learning from Each Other (feat. Nia Baker)- CXMH ep. 97 - Navigating Uncertainty During the COVID-19 Crisis (feat. Dr. Inna Khazan)- CXMH ep. 100 - Balancing Working from Home with Intentional Family Time (feat. Dr. Karen Melton & Dr. Sara Perry)- CXMH ep. 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)- CXMH ep. 116 - Loving Your Neighbor During a Pandemic (feat. Dr. Emily Smith)- CXMH ep. 107 - Why Small Changes Are the Key to Changing Your Brain (feat. Dr. Alex Korb)- CXMH ep. Checking In: How Are We Doing?- CXMH ep. 95 - 3 Shapes of Pain & What Divine Love Has to Say (feat. Seth Haines)- CXMH ep. 96 - Waking Up, How We Numb Our Pain, & Embodying Our Faith (feat. Seth Haines)

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This week we talk with therapist Nia Baker, who specializes in working with people who have experienced trauma. She talks about working with our nervous systems, how we can use bottom-up processes to create safety, and what this means for our communities.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Radically Open DBT- How God Changes Your Brain: Breakthrough Findings from a Leading Neuroscientist by Andrew Newberg- My Grandmother's Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending Our Hearts and Bodies by Resmaa Menakem- the Spiritual First Aid Summit

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Quotes:- “An emotional trauma is how the nervous system is impacted through words & responses related to feeling safe.”- “Neuroscience doesn’t make it possible for people to be adaptive. People have always been adaptive.”

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This week we talk with poet and author Tanner Olson. We touch on balancing hope & pain, where he finds inspiration, and learning to still be himself while being a writer. In the intro, Robert and Holly check in after Texas’s recent weather and talk about WandaVision.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources: - CXMH ep. 122 - How Writing Can Shape Your Past, Present, & Future (feat. Allison Fallon) - CXMH ep. 90 - Small Beginnings, Other People's Stories, & Being Made to Make (feat. Morgan Harper Nichols)

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Quotes: - “Don’t call yourself an ‘aspiring writer.’ If you’re putting words down on a piece of paper…you are a writer.” (tweet) - “When I write something hopeful that comes out of heartbreak, I don’t want to ignore the heartbreak.” (tweet) - “Hope always has the outstretched hand.” (tweet) - “It’s really hard to deal with the things inside of us when we just keep them there.” (tweet)

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Tanner Olson reads his poem “Some Days” from his upcoming interview on CXMH.

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This week we talked with Allison Fallon, author of the new book The Power of Writing it Down: A Simple Habit to Unlock Your Brain and Reimagine Your LIfe. She talks to us about the benefits of writing in terms of processing your memories, understanding yourself, and more. Allison is the founder of Find Your Voice, as well as the author of a number of books.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- ep. 120 - Lies We Face (& Truth We Need) Along The Journey (feat. Hannah Brencher)- the episode of The Faith & Mental Wellness Podcast that Holly was on

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Quotes:- “I believe deep down in my soul that writing has the power to create positive change in your life.” (tweet)- “If you change behavior from the frontal cortex, you’re gonna feel like you’re white-knuckling it, like you have to exercise all this discipline, and it will only work for a certain period of time.” (tweet)- “Writing is communication. Writing is self-discovery. Writing is a way to capture memories from your life. Writing can be a means of processing, it can be meditation, it can be spirituality, it can be prayer.” (tweet)- “If you think that your story is the one story that nobody cares about hearing…I want you to really think about what that means.” (tweet)- “The minute you bring an audience into [writing] is the minute you cut yourself off from your deepest thoughts & feelings about a subject.” (tweet)

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This week we talk with therapist Krispin Mayfield about attachment science, how that shapes our relationships, and how that shapes our connections with God. In the intro, Robert and Holly share about things they’re attached to.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- The 6 Needs of Every Child: Empowering Parents and Kids through the Science of Connection by Amy Elizabeth Olrick and Jeffrey Olrick- episode 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)- Krispin mentions the work of Dr. Todd Hall- Anatomy of the Soul: Surprising Connections between Neuroscience and Spiritual Practices That Can Transform Your Life and Relationships by Curt Thompson- episode 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)- episode 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

Connect with Krispin on his website, Twitter, or Instagram. Listen to his podcasts Attached to the Invisible or The Prophetic Imagination Station.

Quotes:- “We have this drive for connection. There are different strategies that we use to get the connection that we need, to get the closeness that we need.” (tweet)- “What I’ve found has been lost in a lot of faith traditions is that God delights in us.” (tweet)- “Emotions help bring other people close.” (tweet)- “God meets us wherever we are emotionally, you see that throughout Scripture.” (tweet)

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This week we’re joined by CXMH all-star Hannah Brencher! Hannah’s new book Fighting Forward came out recently and she tells us about the lies we encounter in various parts of our journey and how to overcome them.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources: - The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles by Steven Pressfield - Hannah’s past episodes on CXMH - the Forest app Hannah mentions

Connect with Hannah on her website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Buy Fighting Forward: Your Nitty-Gritty Guide to Beating the Lies That Hold You Back on Amazon.

Quotes: - “The goal is not perfection, the goal is consistency. Those are two very different things.” (tweet) - “When you take time to stoke the fire in your own life, that’s only going to make you a better version of yourself for someone else.” (tweet) - “Some of the most valuable things you’re going to learn in your life are going to be because of failure. Don’t spend your life tiptoeing around the very thing that might teach you or transform you.” (tweet) - “The only way to combat my envy was to become a really good cheerleader for other people.” (tweet)

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This week, we're joined by psychiatrist Dr. Sidney Hankerson. Dr. Hankerson is passionate about training clergy on counseling depressed community members and has worked extensively with communities in New York to build partnerships between faith communities & mental healthcare providers to help people get treatment for mental health. He tells us about barriers to care in African American communities, what role faith communities play, and how to build relationships between those communities and mental health providers to overcome some barriers.

Links:- the video about the HOPE Center- the HOPE Center's website- Amanda Gorman's speech at the 2021 Inaguration- CXMH ep. 58 - Religious Coping Skills: Good, Bad, or Both? (feat. Dr. Kenneth Pargament)

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This week, we're joined by Dr. Linda Buchanan. Dr. Buchanan is an expert in eating disorders, working with ambivalence, and helping people make changes when they're hard changes to make. We talk about all of that, how to be compassionate when making changes is hard (for ourselves or others), procrastination, narratives, and so much more.

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It's 2021, which means Robert & Holly are back for the second half of Season 5! We talk about the things that have happened already this year, as well as reflect on some good questions: What are the things we're bringing into 2021? What are the things we're leaving in 2020?

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This week, Robert & Holly talk about the complications of holidays this year. Topics include holding grief & joy together, favorite Christmas songs, and reflecting on the first half of Season 5.

Things we mention/other resources:- Recast - Grieving During the Holidays (feat. Lanta Carroll)- ep. 115 - Gratitude & Mental Health

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This week, we talk with Alexandra Thompson, LCSW about the church’s responsibility in caring for the mental health needs of communities. We also hear about her own experiences with infertility, adoption, and why she’s passionate about those topics. In the intro, Robert and Holly talk about Advent.

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In a CXMH first, our guest is an epidemiologist! We're joined by Dr. Emily Smith, also known as your Friendly Neighbor Epidemiologist, to talk about loving our neighbors in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic. What does that look like for faith leaders? For individuals? What's her hope for the next few months? We cover all of this and more.

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This week, we're re-airing a conversation we had with therapist and pastor Lanta Carroll last year about grief during the holiday season. We know that so many of us are carrying grief in a myriad of ways this year, and hope this conversation can be helpful in some small way. In the intro, Robert and Holly talk about whether or not seasonal decorations are a thing in their houses.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- see the original show notes below for links related to the conversation with Lanta- Holly mentions the work of epidemiologist Dr. Emily Smith. Here's a recent conversation with her: "Church and COVID"- find Holly's recent blog posts on burnout, self-care, and more here.

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It’s the holiday season, which can be both joyful & hard. We’re joined by Lanta Carroll, a counselor & pastor, to talk about grieving during this season. We talk about why it’s so complicated, some ideas for your own grief, and thoughts on how to support others personally or within a faith community.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH episode 17 - Grief & Loss (feat. John Pavlovitz & Dr. Elizabeth Horn)- Inheritance of Hope

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It's the second half of November, which means (here in the United States) we're approaching Thanksgiving. In this episode, Robert and Holly talk about gratitude and it's impact on mental health. How can it help? Has it been suggested in unhelpful ways before? What are some ideas for incorporating practices of gratitude and thankfulness into your life? Also, we work through some conflict about Thanksgiving side dishes.

Things we mention/other resources:- the article Robert references: 'How Gratitude Changes You and Your Brain'- Gratitude Works!: A 21-Day Program for Creating Emotional Prosperity by Robert Emmons- Thanks!: How the New Science of Gratitude Can Make You Happier by Robert Emmons- CXMH ep. 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)- CXMH ep. 107 - Why Small Changes Are the Key to Changing Your Brain (feat. Dr. Alex Korb)- CXMH ep. 93 - Using the Enneagram & Neuroscience for Practical Growth (feat. Dr. Jerome Lubbe)- CXMH ep. 55 - CBT for Christians (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)

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This week we share a talk from Robert called Talking About Mental Health: Having Conversations that Facilitate Healing & Promote Resilience (his talk from the Church Mental Health Summit on Oct. 10th). The talk shares practical tips, as well as talking about how we show up to each other in moments of vulnerability.

Things we mention/other resources:- Last week's episode: 113 - Self-Care for Helpers- CXMH episode 112 - Staying Emotionally Healthy During Election Season- If you want to watch the video of Robert's talk (or see the other ~60 talks), you can still register for the all-access pass for the Church Mental Health Summit here.- get Holly's newsletter here.- the Baylor article Holly mentions: Baylor Expert: Don’t Lose Focus on Spiritual and Mental Well-being

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This week, we get to hear Holly's talk from the Church Mental Health Summit that happened on Oct. 10th. She talks about why it's important to take care of ourselves as well as talking through a variety of areas & ways we can learn to do so. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about things they've found helpful recently.

Things we mention/other resources:- If you want to watch the video of Holly's talk (or see the other ~60 talks), you can still register for the all-access pass for the Church Mental Health Summit here.- get Holly's Self Care for Helpers emails free by signing up here.

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Yikes! In the United States, it's currently the last few weeks of the 2020 Presidential Election (along with various down ballot elections). This is an understandably hard time for lots of us, so Robert and Holly got together to talk about some tips & ideas for how to try and stay healthy over the next few weeks. Or next few months. Or next few years. I dunno, it seems like it's always election time now.

Things we mention/other resources:- CXMH ep. 26 - Seasonal Affective Disorder & Perfectly Hidden Depression (feat. Dr. Margaret Rutherford)- CXMH ep. 52 - Online Advocacy, Self-Care, & Beauty (feat. Dr. Meredith Gould)- CXMH ep. 57 - Why We Need Better Sleep (& How to Get It) (feat. Dr. Michael Scullin)- Holly's Self-Care for Helpers guide

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This week we're joined by Dr. Michelle Pearce to talk about her new book Night Bloomers: 12 Principles for Thriving in Adversity. Dr. Pearce talks about those 12 principles, what a 'night bloomer' is, and how we can use adversity to help us grow.

Things we mention/other resources:- the Church Mental Health Summit we talk about in the intro- CXMH ep. 55 - CBT for Christians (feat. Dr. Michelle Pearce)- CXMH ep. 103 - How We Move Through Suffering (feat. Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren & Sara Showalter Van Tongeren)- CXMH ep. 91 - Spiritual Bypassing (feat. Dr. Jesse Fox)

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This week, we talk with Janine Halloren about kids! Their emotions, being flexible, helping them learn coping skills, and things we can remember as adults. Janine is a counselor who's worked with kids and families for over 20 years, the author of multiple books, the founder of CopingSkillsForKids.com, and a mother of two kids herself.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CASEL: The Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning- the Church Mental Health Summit we talk about in the intro

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This week we're joined by Gina Biegel, LMFT, an expert in working with teens related to stress. We talk about the challenges today's teens are facing (preCOVID and now), why she recommends mindfulness, some practical ways for teens to cope with stress, and how we can best support them. Gina is the founder of StressedTeens.com, author of various books about teens & stress, and the developer of mindfulness-based stress reduction for teens (MBSR-T).

Things we mention/other resources:- the Church Mental Health Summit we talk about in the intro- the COVID-19 toolbox on StressedTeens.com- the Coalition of Schools Educating Mindfully- CXMH ep. 70 - Teens, Anxiety, & Self-Esteem (feat. Lisa Schab)- Under Pressure: Confronting the Epidemic of Stress and Anxiety in Girls by Dr. Lisa Damour- other books Robert recommends for working with teens/adolescents

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We're kicking off Season 5 with Dr. Amber Thornton, founder of Balanced Working Mama. We talk with Dr. Thornton about a the challenges workings moms face (both pre-COVID and now), why those persist despite changing views, and ways to keep a holistic view of health in mind for yourself or the working moms you know.

Things we mention/other resources:

• Amber first came on CXMH in episode 25 - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)

• we talk about work/life/family balance in episode 100 - Balancing Working from Home with Intentional Family Time (feat. Dr. Karen Melton & Dr. Sara Perry)

• Amber's holistic approach reminds us of episode 87 - Getting the Rest You Actually Need (feat. Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith)

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We’re back! Robert and Holly return to your ears to talk about how their summers went, what they’ve learned, and what to look forward to in Season 5.

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Robert and Holly reflect on Season 4, talk about taking the summer off, and set some goals for the next few months. We’ll see you in the fall for Season 5!

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It’s our last interview of Season 4! We’re glad to be joined by Dr. Alex Korb, a neuroscientist and author of The Upward Spiral: Using Neuroscience to Reverse the Course of Depression, One Small Change at a Time. We talk about what motivates us, why small

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Instead of the episode we had scheduled for this week, we wanted to amplify voices of those doing important work around racial justice. As a result, we’re rereleasing our interview with Austin Channing Brown from 2018. In the show notes you’ll find a list of resources we’ve seen recommended by racial justice activists & leaders.

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This week we’re joined by Melody Moezzi, author of the new book The Rumi Prescription: How an Ancient Mystic Poet Changed My Modern Manic Life. She talks with us about Rumi, her experiences with a bipolar diagnosis, the challenges between faith & mental healthcare, and how to fight injustice with love instead of anger. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about end-of-the-school year traditions.

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How do we give up on ‘hiding in hurry,’ opting instead to be present to our bodies and our stories? Therapist and author K.J. Ramsey joins us to talk about her new book This Too Shall Last, her own story, and how we can shift from thinking pain is a problem to be solved to seeing it as a story to tell. In the intro, Robert & Holly offer some words for those graduating.

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What do we do when faced with suffering (either our own or someone else’s)? Dr. Daryl Van Tongeren and Sara Showalter Van Tongeren (authors of the new book The Courage to Suffer) join us to talk about existential questions, facing the darkness, and coming out on the other side. They walk us through the steps of Sunset, Dusk, Midnight, Dawn, and Daylight, explaining the importance of meaning-making and how we can help each other.

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How do we communicate well? Do the same principles apply to settings like one-on-one, preaching, writing, or posting online? We talk with communication expert Dr. Heather Thompson Day about all of that and more! (Communication is really about listening! Why should we tell stories? What about ‘platform building’?)

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This week, we’re joined by relationship experts Dr. Rod Hetzel & Dr. Susan Matlock-Hetzel who talk us through the Gottman Institute’s Sound Relationship House Theory. They explain how to build trust and commitment in your marriage or partnership, offering ideas like building love maps, sharing fondness and admiration, turning towards instead of away, keeping a positive perspective, managing conflict, making life dreams come true, and creating shared meaning. If that list seemed like a lot, it’s because we cover a ton of ground in this episode! In the intro, Holly gets surprised by a guest!

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For many of us, we’re trying to figure out working from home while balancing family needs for the same time. To help talk us through some practical tips and ideas, we brought on two guests: Dr. Karen Melton (an expert on family leisure time) and Dr. Sara Perry (an expert on working remotely). They help us talk through the challenges, potential ideas, and helpful reminders for making this time work as well as we can.

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This week, we’re joined by Steve Wiens to talk about his new book Shining like the Sun: Seven Mindful Practices for Rekindling Your Faith. He talks about using practices like attentiveness, simplicity, and rhythm to find the Divine, as well as talking some about picking up poop. It’s a good one, we promise.

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Today we talk with David Finnegan-Hosey, a college chaplain who’s written about his experience with inpatient treatment for Bipolar Disorder. We hear about that experience and then take a deep dive into his latest book, Grace Is A Pre-Existing Condition: Faith, Systems, and Mental Healthcare. We talk about seeing sick systems instead of sick people, ‘thoughts and prayers’, and how faith communities can care for those with mental health concerns while helping to change harmful systemic problems.

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This episode is different from anything we’ve done on CXMH before: it’s an episode just checking in with Robert & Holly to see how we’re doing amidst the chaos of the current moment. This conversation is less as professionals and more as just human beings who are also navigating the uncertainty and changes that the COVID-19 pandemic have brought.

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We know it’s a time of massive uncertainty and anxiety right now, no matter where you are. Dr. Inna Khazan joins us this week to talk about 5 steps for navigating uncertainty and the discomfort that comes with it.

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Seth Haines is back! In our continuation of last week’s conversation we talk about things like waking up to our coping mechanisms and living an embodied faith. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about Lent and what foods they could both eat forever (spoiler: they’re both candy).

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We’re joined this week by Seth Haines, author of the new book The Book of Waking Up: Experiencing the Divine Love That Reorders a Life. He tells us his story of realizing he had a drinking problem and finding sobriety that inspired his first book, Coming Clean. Then we talk about his new book, 3 common shapes of pain, how divine love responds, our unhealthy addictions/attachments, and more. In the intro, Robert & Holly celebrate Holly getting tenure.

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Today, we’re joined by Stephanie Lobdell to talk about ordinary losses and what resurrection has to tell us about those things. We talk about being a woman in ministry, Stephanie’s mental health diagnoses, facing the death of your expected future, how her loved ones have learned to be supportive and more.

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We loved last week’s episode with Dr. Jerome Lubbe so much we invited him back right away! Jerome stops back by to talk about ways to use the Enneagram for practical growth, ideas for how to care for ourselves better, moving from ‘I am a number’ to focusing on our innate human capacity, why some of our numbers might change, and more.

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Have you ever wondered how neuroscience intersects with faith, or how they both intersect with the Enneagram? We talk with Dr. Jerome Lubbe about that, the neurotheology of self-care, identity formation, and much more. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about what’s currently giving them life.

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What is Spiritual Bypassing? We talk with Dr. Jesse Fox about his work in this area, what it looks like to use spirituality as a resource (or as a method of avoidance), offering unhelpful platitudes vs. helpful responses, and more. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about a recent Wall Street Journal article that discussed pastors and their mental health.

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This week, artist and internet phenomenon Morgan Harper Nichols stops by the show. We talk about small beginnings, finding inspiration in the day-to-day, hearing other people’s stories, creativity, and how her artwork reflects faith & mental health. Morgan also shares with us some brand-new poems from her new book All Along You Were Blooming: Thoughts for Boundless Living. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about freedom and structure in daily rhythms.

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It’s 2020! Robert & Holly talk about New Year’s intentions in the intro, and then chat with trauma therapist Aundi Kolber about her new book Try Softer: A Fresh Approach to Move Us out of Anxiety, Stress, and Survival Mode--and into a Life of Connection and Joy. Aundi talks about attachment, being compassionate with ourselves, expanding our window of tolerance, white-knuckling through life, and listening to our bodies.

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Grab a mug of hot cocoa and snuggle up with a blanket, it’s time for a fireside chat with Robert & Holly! Your hosts get together to share listener-submitted traditions, talk about ways we’re reflecting on 2019, and what’s ahead in 2020. (Not included: mug, hot cocoa, blanket, fire)

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Joe Padilla (co-founder of Mental Health Grace Alliance) joins us to talk about the practicalities of ministering to people’s mental health within a faith community. We get asked a ton about resources for small groups, trainings, etc. to help equip people to do this kind of work, and Joe breaks down what Grace Alliance offers and their thinking behind it. We also hear some of Joe’s story and why the work is so personal to him. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about holiday traditions.

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Have you ever wondered why you’re still tired if you’re getting enough sleep? How do we know if we’re actually even resting? Dr. Saundra Dalton-Smith stops by the show to tell us about 7 different types of rest and how to make sure we’re actually restoring what we’re pouring out.

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It’s the holiday season, which can be both joyful & hard. We’re joined by Lanta Carroll, a counselor & pastor, to talk about grieving during this season. We talk about why it’s so complicated, some ideas for your own grief, and thoughts on how to support others personally or within a faith community.

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Should mental health professionals ask about clients’s spiritual & religious beliefs? Today’s guest says ‘yes.’ Dr. Cassandra Vieten stops by to talk about her new book Spiritual and Religious Competencies in Clinical Practice: Guidelines for Psychotherapists and Mental Health Professionals as well as touch on subjects like trends towards ‘spiritual but not religious’, recommendations for faith leaders, and more. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about their recent travels and the tooth fairy!

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What role do things like social media, streaming content, and other new media play in shaping our faith lives? How do we have productive conversations about it? Is this even worth considering? Rev. Dr. Angela Gorrell (author of Always On: Practicing Faith in a New Media Landscape) stops by to talk about these questions and more. Angela’s uniquely qualified to talk about the issues, having been a pastor, taught college courses on social media, & more.One note: if the intro sounds like it’s a week behind, that’s because it is. This episode was supposed to air last week but got pushed back due to sick kids.Connect with Angela on her website, Twitter, Instagram, or buy Always On: Practicing Faith in a New Media Landscape on Amazon.Quotes:- “If you use Google Maps to get somewhere, you’re part of the new media world. If you stream your television and movies through something like Netflix, you’re a part of the new media landscape.” (tweet)- “People are living their lives not just in physical spaces but in digital ones.” (tweet)- “Everything we do everyday has something to do with who we are & who we are becoming.” (tweet)- “This [is] missing. We [aren’t] having the conservation about how theology is lived and how it might be lived out on social media.” (tweet)- “I think that we can have a deeper, more theological conversation than just ‘this is bad, this is good.’” (tweet)- “Your online life is a real part of you and who you are.” (tweet)- “You ask people about social media experiences, you’ll learn about their lives.” (tweet)Join the Cxmhunity on Facebook!Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.Connect with Holly on her website or Twitter.Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

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This week we talk with Dave Eckert, a pastor, social worker, and director of Intersect (an initiative to train, consult and collaborate with human services providers and faith communities). Dave describes 6 key assets to this kind of work, going beyond faith leaders & mental health professionals to describe how we can all play a role.

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Are we living in especially lonely times? What does ‘hospitality’ mean? How could extending invitations change the way we live? We’re joined by Leslie Verner, author of Invited: The Power of Hospitality in an Age of Loneliness to talk about all of this and more. In the intro, Robert and Holly talk about their own experiences with hospitality, their favorite ice cream flavors, and why hospitality has a special place in Robert’s family.

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This week, we’re joined by Dr. David Rosmarin to talk about integrating spiritual beliefs into treatment, navigating the distrust between faith & mental health, and more.

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Have you ever wondered about our intro/outro music? Great news: we got together with the guys behind Rivers & Robots to learn more about their music, their ministry, and how they take care of their mental health while keeping so busy. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about writing and the challenges of getting stuck.

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How does hunger impact mental health? How widespread is food insecurity across the United States? We’re joined by Jeremy Everett, founder of the Texas Hunger Initiative and author of the new book, I Was Hungry: Cultivating Common Ground to End an American Crisis. We obviously talk about hunger, but Jeremy also touches on why it’s so important to work together if we’re going to move past ‘charity’ and into working for justice.

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In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about the recent suicide deaths of pastor Jarrid Wilson & Gregory Eells. In the interview, we’re joined by Ryan Kuja to talk about the ways we should prepare better for missions. Ryan talks about thinking critically regarding our cultural lenses, our psychological needs, and our own stories. Ryan is the author of From the Inside Out: Reimagining Mission, Recreating the World.

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We’re back! (not the dinosaur movie, although that’s one of Robert’s favorites).We kick off Season 4 of CXMH with the two of us (Robert & Holly) talking about our time off, what we learned about rest, and looking ahead at what’s to come.

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In this episode with just Robert & Holly, they (we?) talk about why we take the summer off, what our hopes are for the time away, and what books we’re planning on reading during the next few months.Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- The Stressed Years of Their Lives: Helping Your Kid Survive and Thrive During Their College Years by Dr. B. Janet Hibbs & Dr. Anthony Rostain- Invited: The Power of Hospitality in an Age of Loneliness by Leslie Verner- Of Mess and Moxie: Wrangling Delight Out of This Wild and Glorious Life by Jen Hatmaker- Surrender to Love: Discovering the Heart of Christian Spirituality by David Benner- The Gift of Being Yourself: The Sacred Call to Self-Discovery by David Benner- This: Becoming Free by Michael Gungor- The Most Beautiful Thing I’ve Seen: Opening Your Eyes to Wonder by Lisa Gungor- Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in a Distracted World by Cal Newport- Mothers, Daughters, and Body Image: Learning to Love Ourselves as We Are by Hillary McBride- The Universal Christ: How a Forgotten Reality Can Change Everything We See, Hope For, and Believe by Richard Rohr- Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance by Angela DuckworthJoin the Cxmhunity on Facebook!Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.Connect with Holly on her website or Twitter.Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like submitting questions for upcoming interviews, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.Intro/Outro music for this episode is ‘Fall Down’ by Rivers & Robots.

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In a new intro, Robert admits that he has no idea how to rest and Holly tells us all about her recent travels. Then, we recast our 2018 interview with Hillary McBride about self-image, passing narratives on to our children, and learning to love ourselves as we are.

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We’re joined by Yesenia Reta, LCSW, who practices as a Christian therapist in Florida. She talks about how she views faith & mental health working together, how growing up in a Mexican family shaped her view of mental health, and some barriers she sees her Hispanic clients facing when trying to get treatment.

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This week, Robert & Holly talk about one of Robert’s favorite topics: narratives! What they are, why it matters what we believe about ourselves and the world around us, how to notice them, and more.

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The first week of May is Children’s Mental Health Week, and to celebrate we’ve got the second part of our conversation with Dr. Stephen Grcevich! We cover a lot of ground including things to look for in children, the medicating of kids (are we overdoing it?), the rising rates of anxiety & ADHD in children, and helping our kids be resilient. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about Burger King’s recent campaign “for” Mental Health Awareness Month.

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In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Stephen Grcevich (founder of Key Ministry and author of Mental Health and the Church) to talk about how we can make our churches & ministries more inclusive to those encountering mental health struggles and their families. Dr. Grcevich talks about the 7 barriers identified in his book and what we can do about them. (Next week, he comes back to talk about children’s mental health, so make sure you come back too!) In the intro, Holly and Robert discuss several birthdays and how to balance focusing on too many things at once.

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This week, we’re joined by Dr. Elizabeth McIngvale to talk about her personal journey with OCD, what OCD is (and isn’t), and what types of things to be looking for in OCD treatment.

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Do you lead others in some capacity? (Hint: the answer is yes). This week, Holly and Robert talk about mentoring both formal and informal, the way we can lead others through our actions, and why empowering those coming behind us is important. We also touch on some important ideas like being aware of the social conditioning we’re experiencing and how to change those narratives.

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Today, we’re joined by author Alia Joy to talk about weakness and finding God in all we lack. We talk about imposter syndrome, false ideas of God, the fluency of hope, poverty, not fitting in, bipolar disorder, and much much more.

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We’ve all seen the headlines in the past few years: adolescents seem to be wrestling with more anxiety than ever before. In this episode, we’re joined by Lisa Schab, LCSW who has written tons of mental health workbooks for teens. We talk about why the anxiety rates might be rising, the difference between stress & anxiety, what some practical skills are for individuals, and how adults can help in teens’ lives.

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It only took a year, but the timing has worked out to air the last of the guest hosted episodes from last Spring! In this episode, Holly talks with Kelsey Moffatt, who (at the time) was a social work student getting ready to graduate. They talk about Kelsey’s story, why she thinks integrating faith into therapy is so important, being real with God in hard times, and more.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- episode 19 - "There are parts of me that will never be completely healed." (feat. Kay Warren)

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It’s just us, folks. Robert and Holly got together in Atlanta to record this episode in person (the first CXMH episode ever recorded without Skype!). We talk about faith, why we think doubt is a good thing, and what it often looks like to move through our faith lives. We share our own faith journeys, as well as digging into some proposed Stages of Faith progressions.

(Note from Robert: I formally apologize for how much I say ‘like’ in this episode. If it’s any consolation, it probably annoyed me more while I was editing than it will annoy you while listening.)

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- here’s a picture of both Fowler and Peck’s stages of faith with descriptions- Benefit of the Doubt: Breaking the Idol of Certainty by Greg Boyd- Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves of Life by Richard Rohr- Braving the Wilderness: The Quest for True Belonging and the Courage to Stand Alone by Brené Brown- we mention Susan Case Designs. Find out more on her website or on Instagram.

Quotes:- “The goal is to be a river: there’s things flowing in and flowing out.” (tweet)- “What people need is someone to say ‘I acknowledge this sucks & is painful and I’m going to sit here with you in that.” (tweet)- “The opposite of faith isn’t doubt, it’s certainty.” (tweet)

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Bullying: it seems like something we’re always hearing about, but never getting into the details of. Danielle Matthew, LMFT stops by to talk to us all about it: what are the different types of bullying? How do people experience bullying across their lifespan? How do we support victims of bullying, empower bystanders, and healthily address the bullies themselves? We touch on all of this and more.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- After we stopped recording, Danielle recommended books by Annie Fox to Holly for proactively talking to her kids about bullying- Solution Team is a program offered by NoBully- StopBullying.gov- If you want to learn more about the link between bullying and suicide that we touch on briefly, here’s some helpful info from the CDC

Connect with Danielle on Twitter, on Facebook, visit her website to learn more about The Empowerment Space, or buy The Empowered Child on Amazon. You can also get more information by calling 818-267-4282 or by emailing dmatthew@empowerment.space.

Quotes:- “Bullying is when someone has power over someone else repeatedly.”- “It’s really important to give the child or adolescent an opportunity to tell you how they’re feeling.”- “Give them their voice back as much as possible.”- “Give the bully a positive role.”- “You don’t have to feel hopeless about bullying. There is hope out there.”

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This week, we’re airing an interview Holly recorded back when Robert was on podternity leave (flashback!). She talks with Storey Cook, director of Reclaim Recovery Ministry at Harris Creek in Waco. They talk about recovery ministries, how 12 step programs fit into a faith context, and the importance that doing your own work plays in helping others.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Al-Anon- the stages of change- Celebrate Recovery- episode 19 - "There are parts of me that will never be completely healed." (feat. Kay Warren)- The National Association for Christian Recovery- Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps by Richard Rohr- the Center for Action and Contemplation- episodes about the enneagram

Connect with Storey on Twitter or connect with Reclaim Recovery Ministry on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, or on Harris Creek’s website.

Quotes:- “Addiction takes place in all kinds of areas of our life.” (tweet)

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Robert and Holly give 13 practical self-care tips & discuss ways to help maintain your mental & emotional health while working in ministry (or any helping profession).

Tips we mention, along with accompanying links to things we mention:

1. Eat + sleep- episode 48 - How Does Nutrition Impact Our Mental Health? (feat. Dr. Leslie Korn)- episode 57 - Why We Need Better Sleep (& How to Get It) (feat. Dr. Michael Scullin)
2. Change your socks
3. Count your spoons- episode 63 - Uncluttering Our Spaces, Our Schedules, & Our Lives (feat. Courtney Ellis)- The spoons metaphor Robert mentions is found in Furiously Happy: A Funny Book About Horrible Things by Jenny Lawson (Jenny credits the idea to Christine Miserandino)
4. Map your route
5. Spend time creating- article: Stress-related hormone cortisol lowers significantly after just 45 minutes of art creation- article: This Type of Date Night Activity Could Make You Feel Closer to Your Partner
6. Give things away- Leading on Empty: Refilling Your Tank and Renewing Your Passion by Wayne Cordeiro
7. Pause- Insight Timer (search for CXMH to join our group!)
8. Pay attention to your warning lights- episode 21 - Emotions Aren't Evil (feat. Marc Alan Schelske)- episode 62 - Social Anxiety, Shyness vs. Confidence, & How to Make Friends (feat. Dr. Ellen Hendriksen)
9. Let it matter- Let It Matter by Johnnyswim- episode 42 - Everyday Grief & Learning to Feel Feelings (feat. Aundi Kolber)
10. Be honest & bold
11. Learn about yourself
12. Go to counseling. - (go to counseling) greeting cards- various directories to find local counselors are listed on Robert’s resource page

13. Spiritual practices/rhythms

    1. Sabbath, centering prayer, journaling, gratitude
    2. Silence + solitude + stillness- episode 56 - Centering Prayer, Solitude, Stillness, & Mindful Silence (feat. Phileena Heuertz)

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It’s Valentine’s week, and one important conversation to have is about singleness. What messages do people get about being single? Are there positives and negatives? How can the church do a better job at creating space for single people to exist and to lead? We’re joined by Dr. Bella DePaulo and Holly Stallcup to talk about it.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Bella’s TedTalk ‘What No one Ever Told You About People Who Are Single’- Bella has tons of books on Amazon, man of which are on singleness- Holly mentions Jenna DeWitt and Gina Dalfonzo (author of One by One: Welcome the Singles in Your Church)

Connect with Dr. Bella DePaulo on her website, Twitter, Facebook, read her blogs ‘Living Single on Psychology Today and ‘Single at Heart’ on Psych Central, or buy any of her books on Amazon.

Connect with Holly Stallcup on Twitter or learn more about Now She Rises.

Quotes:- “This is an option. If you think [singleness] suits you, it’s a good valuable way to live.” (tweet)- “Being single is not a monolith.” (tweet)- “Church culture at large makes the assumption that singleness is a stepping stone and that if we see it any more than that, it devalues marriage.” (tweet)- “If single life is valued, than the people who want to marry will be going that direction from a place of strength [instead of] running away from single life.” (tweet)- “Single people across religions often feel like they don’t have a place in their churches. They feel like they aren’t valued.” (tweet)- “A lot of this is just becoming aware of the cultural norms that we’ve embraced.” (tweet)

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Do we have too much clutter in our homes, schedule, and mind? Courtney Ellis (author of the new book Uncluttered: Free Your Space, Free Your Schedule, Free Your Soul) stops by to talk to us about her journey from more to less and how it was actually a journey from less to more. Don’t worry, this isn’t just an episode about organizing stuff: we talk about technology use, our busy schedules, the practice of Sabbath, and more (ok yes, including physical stuff).

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- decision fatigue- Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked by Adam Alter- The Tech-Wise Family: Everyday Steps for Putting Technology in Its Proper Place by Andy Crouch- The spoons metaphor Robert mentions is found in Furiously Happy: A Funny Book About Horrible Things by Jenny Lawson (Jenny credits the idea to Christine Miserandino)- Also, Robert wrote about that spoons idea a few years ago here, which includes some of Jenny’s words about it.

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Quotes:- “It turned out that I had to let go of a lot of things before God could give me more.” (tweet)

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This week, we’re joined by Dr. Ellen Hendriksen to talk about Social Anxiety! We touch on all sorts of things including shyness, the difference between being an introvert and being social anxious, how to help others, ways to challenge our own social anxiety, and how to make friends as an adult. Dr. Hendriksen is an expert on social anxiety and the author of How To Be Yourself: Quiet Your Inner Critic and Rise Above Social Anxiety.

Perceived deficits:1. my anxiety2. my appearance3. my social skills4. my character or personality

Tips for fighting social anxiety:- give yourself some structure- put behavior before confidence- notice safety behaviors- turn your attention inside out

Tips for making friends:1. you need repetition2. share about yourself3. show them that you like them

Connect with Dr. Hendriksen on her website, Twitter, listen to The Savvy Psychologist, or buy How To Be Yourself on Amazon.

Quotes:- “99% of people can relate to socially awkward moments.” (tweet)- “Extroverts can also be socially anxious.” (tweet)- “Social Anxiety is fundamentally about the reveal: the perception that something is wrong with us & unless we work really hard to hide it, it will be revealed.” (tweet)- “Anxiety is driven by uncertainty.” (tweet)- “Anxiety tells us two lies: (1) the worst case scenario is a foregone conclusion. (2) we can’t handle it.” (tweet)- “If we wait to feel confident, we’re probably not gonna do the thing we’re afraid of. If we slowly do the thing, then the confidence catches up.” (tweet)- “A good therapist is like a good bra: the job is both to push and support. The principles apply to friends too.” (tweet)- “We don’t have to put on some kind of false front or persona to go out into the world. We are enough just as we are.” (tweet)- “It takes 6-8 conversations before someone considers us a friend.” (tweet)

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It’s 2019, and we’re doing something we’ve never done before: a crossover episode! We got together with our friends from The Desire Line podcast to talk about resolutions, setting goals, and what it takes to create lasting change in our lives.

In the intro. Robert & Holly talk about changes to the ways you can interact with the show! Join the Cxmhunity Facebook group for free here and support the show on Patreon to see upcoming episodes and submit questions to be in interviews!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- PowerSheets by Lara Casey- the Transtheoretical Model of Change- Shame episode of DL (6)- SMART goals: specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, timed.- Erin Condren planners- Emily Ley’s Simplified planners- eustress vs. distress

Listen to The Desire Line podcast or connect with the show on Twitter. Connect with Susette on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest. Connect with Brandon on his website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Quotes:- “You can’t just be moving away from something, you have to be moving toward something for it to be sustainable.” (tweet)- “When I’m successful, it’s because I have a sustained vision.” (tweet)- “Our desire is cultivated by practices, our practices become habits, and habits ultimately become our character.” (tweet)- “Starting small and doable is way better than trying to go for transformation in a single bound.” (tweet)- “If you’re operating out of shame, that resolution’s probably gonna wear out.” (tweet)- “What’s the smallest step I can take?” (tweet)- “It’s important to find that eustress that is helpful.” (tweet)- “Extend grace to yourself.” (tweet)- “Pay attention to the trend lines, not the headlines.” (tweet)

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Have a seat here for a special holiday fireside chat with Robert & Holly. It’s the last episode of 2018, so we take a look back at the year and talk about what we’ve learned, as well as listing what we think could be better about the show in 2019. We also put on our respective therapist hats to talk about how the holidays are hard for a lot of people and the tension of a ‘joyful’ time of year when there’s so much pain happening around us. Lastly, we talk about self-care during the holidays and some ideas on being intentional about it. This one’s as full of suggestions as a full stocking or something. (I wanted to end on a holiday metaphor, you get the idea.)

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- All the previous episodes we mention in this episode can be found here.- The Teenage Brain: A Neuroscientist's Survival Guide to Raising Adolescents and Young Adults by Frances E Jensen and Amy Ellis Nutt- Dare to Lead: Brave Work. Tough Conversations. Whole Hearts. by Brené Brown- Making All Things New: An Invitation to the Spiritual Life by Henri Nouwen- Everything Belongs: The Gift of Contemplative Prayer by Richard Rohr- Chasing Slow: Courage to Journey Off the Beaten Path by Erin Loechner- Present Over Perfect: Leaving Behind Frantic for a Simpler, More Soulful Way of Living by Shauna Niequist- Pilgrimage of a Soul: Contemplative Spirituality for the Active Life by Phileena Heuertz

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How do our religious & spiritual beliefs factor into how we cope with hard times in our lives? Dr. Kenneth Pargament (author of The Psychology of Religion and Coping) comes by the show to talk to us about his work in exactly that area. We talk about integrating spirituality into therapy, various styles of coping using religious beliefs (self-directed, deferred, and collaborative), what some positive and negative coping skills could be, and more. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about whether they like the holiday season, unique traditions, and hitting 50k downloads.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Holly’s research is talked about in episode 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian?- Dr. Michelle Pearce (who created the SCT-MH training with Dr. Pargament) is the guest on episode 55 - CBT for Christians.- the Spiritual Competency in Mental Health training program developed by Ken & Michelle- Dr. Pargament’s books: Spiritually Integrated Psychotherapy: Understanding and Addressing the Sacred and The Psychology of Religion and Coping: Theory, Research, Practice.- the APA Handbook of Psychology, Religion, and Spirituality- In the intro, we mentioned becoming a Patreon supporter. Do that here, or see a longer list of ways to support CXMH here.

Connect with Dr. Pargament by emailing him at kpargam@bgsu.edu or buy his books on Amazon. See a more extensive biography and list of his academic articles on his Bowling Green webpage.

Quotes:- “For many people, spirituality and religion are powerful resources that can be real adjuncts to the work that we do in mental health.” (tweet)- “Holy holy holy, the whole earth is holy.” (tweet)- “Pain and suffering don’t have the last word from a religious point of view.” (tweet)- “Without struggles in life, we wouldn’t be able to move forward.” (tweet)- “Religion and spirituality compliment psychology by focusing on ‘how do you come to terms with human limitations?’” (tweet)- “If we don’t pay attention to the spiritual dimension of who we are, then our work will be incomplete.” (tweet)

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Hey, how’re you feeling today? Tired? Us too. This week, we’re joined by Dr. Michael Scullin (an expert in the connection between sleep & cognition) to talk about getting good sleep and how we’re not getting it. We talk about how lack of sleep impacts memory, driving, adolescents, college students, and tons more. Dr. Scullin also shares with us his top ten tips for getting better sleep!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- CXMH episode 48 - How Does Nutrition Impact Our Mental Health? (feat. Dr. Leslie Korn)- CXMH episode 49 - College Students & Creating Supportive Communities (feat. Dr. Gary Glass)- The book Robert mentions during the conversation is The Teenage Brain: A Neuroscientist's Survival Guide to Raising Adolescents and Young Adults by Frances E Jensen and Amy Ellis Nutt- the American Academy of Sleep Medicine- the National Sleep Foundation

Connect with Dr. Scullin using his email (Michael_Scullin@baylor.edu) or visit Baylor’s Sleep Neuroscience & Cognition Laboratory.

Quotes:- “Sleep relates to our cognitive, physical, and mental health on every level.” (tweet)- “Sleep exists to specifically restore the brain.” (tweet)

Dr. Scullin’s 10 Tips to Improve Sleep:1. Avoid electronics near bedtime.2. Avoid caffeine and other stimulants at least six hours before bedtime.3. Minimize saturated fats and maximize fiber at dinner.4. Only use the bed for sleep rather than for studying or entertainment.5. If you cannot fall asleep in 10 minutes then, get up and leave the room. Only try again when you feel sleepy.6. Avoid long daytime naps.7. Go to bed and wake up at the same time every day, even on weekends.8. If you are ruminating at bedtime, then write out your to-do list or worries.9. Engage in aerobic exercise in the morning or afternoon.10. Prioritize sleep and manage time better during the day, for example, by staying on campus after class to complete homework.

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Our good friend Phileena Heuertz is back with a new book, Mindful Silence! She joins us to talk about centering prayer and the role that things like solitude, silence, and stillness play in our callings to social action.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Phileena’s last appearance on CXMH: episode 51 - Pilgrimage of a Soul- Obviously, the book we talk about in this episode! Mindful Silence: The Heart of Christian Contemplation- MindfulSilence.org, where you can learn all about the book.- Joy Unspeakable: Contemplative Practices of the Black Church (2nd edition) by Barbara A. Holmes- Insight Timer, a meditation app (we have a CXMH group within Insight Timer, search for it and join us!)

Connect with Phileena on her website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Or buy her books on Amazon!

Quotes:- “Contemplative spirituality is anything that helps us wake up and see more clearly who we are and who God is.” (tweet)- “The capacity to see and to know who we are is fundamental to the Christian experience.” (tweet)- “How many of us are really living into the reality of being a child of the divine? Someone with divine DNA?” (tweet)- “Contemplative prayer & social action must go hand in hand for effective social change.” (tweet)- “As we give ourselves to contemplative prayer we grow in discernment, hearing ‘this is yours to do, this is not.’” (tweet)- “We don’t practice presence very well.” (tweet)

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How are thoughts, emotions, and behaviors connected? What can we do about that? Can CBT be integrated with spiritual & religious beliefs? This week’s guest, Dr. Michelle Pearce, drops by to chat with us about all of this. She talks us through the basics of CBT as well as what the implications are for therapists, faith leaders, and individuals themselves.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Michelle’s book- CXMH episode 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist is a Christian?- the Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapist’s directory: Find a CBT Therapist- the American Association of Christian Counselors- PsychologyToday- TherapyDen- the Spiritual Competency in Mental Health training program- we mention CBT workbooks. Here’s one by Dr. Simon Rego & Sarah Fader: The 10-Step Depression Relief Workbook: A Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Approach

Connect with Michelle via email using mpearce@som.umaryland.edu or buy her book, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for Christians with Depression: A Practical Tool-Based Primer on Amazon.

Quotes:- “Our thoughts, our feelings, and our behaviors are all interconnected.” (tweet)- “If we can change what we’re thinking, and/or change what we’re doing, we can change what we’re feeling.” (tweet)- “You don’t have to be a CBT therapist to help someone start to shift thinking.” (tweet)

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Trigger warning: sexual abuse.

In this important episode, we talk with Dr. David Pooler, who has done extensive research talking with survivors of sexual abuse perpetrated by faith leaders. Dr. Pooler talks us through the survivors’ experiences within their churches (largely bad), as well as those survivors’ suggestions for preventing abuse, being prepared to respond, helping the victims find healing, and helping the congregation find healing.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources- Last week’s CXMH episode 53 - Catching Your Breath (feat. Steve Austin)- Darkness to Light training- The Hope of Survivors- FaithTrust Institute- Keeping Our Sacred Trust- CXMH episode 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety (feat. Aundi Kolber)- The Suicide Prevention training Robert mentions in Atlanta on November 14th- RAINN, an organization against sexual violence- RAINN’s hotline is 800-656-HOPE(4673)- ‘67 Resources for Sexual Assault Survivors Who Aren’t Sure Where To Turn’

Connect with Dr. David Pooler on Facebook and Twitter. Find Dr. Pooler’s research here, including a Best Practice Guide for churches to prevent & respond to sexual abuse.

Quotes:- “Image management is a part of the problem of why churches don’t respond very well.” (tweet)- “If you really want to get at solutions, ask the people affected.” (tweet)- “Clergy sexual abuse can happen anywhere, with any congregation. No church is immune. Your church is not the exception.” (tweet)- “Call it what it is. This is clergy sexual abuse. Someone needs to call it, name it, and define it for that congregation.” (tweet)- “I think churches need to have a victim advocate.” (tweet)- “I don’t think we’re taking [sexual abuse by church leaders] seriously enough.” (tweet)- “People don’t make [sexual abuse by faith leaders] up.” (tweet)- “Sometimes being Christian, doing the right thing, and doing justice is in direct opposition to legal advice.” (tweet)

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He’s baaaaaack! Steve Austin is back, and boy is this episode no fun at all. He chats with us about his new book, the power of saying no, and how to slow down. (Just a heads up, Robert had a long time to stock up fake names to call Steve.)

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- We mention Jon Singletary. Check out his episodes on the Enneagram here and here.- Our friend Sarah Robinson and her recent article on Relevant- CXMH episode with Ed Bacon- CXMH episodes with Paul Young

Connect with Steve on his website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, listen to the #AskSteveAustin podcast, or buy Catching Your Breath: The Sacred Journey from Chaos to Calm on Amazon.

Quotes:- “We probably all need better self-care.” (tweet)- “Being human is not easy.” (tweet)- “The miracle is not a snapping of fingers and being healed in an instant. The miracle is that God is present with us in the process.” (tweet)- “The sin of comparison is killing us.” (tweet)- “It’s ok to say ‘no’ to people and projects, because sometimes that’s saying ‘yes’ to yourself.” (tweet)

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In this jam-packed episode, we talk with Dr. Meredith Gould about being an activist online, balancing that with self-care, and topics like art & beauty. Dr. Gould is a sociologist, activist, artist, and tons more. In the intro, Robert & Holly talk about why last week’s episode was late and share what’s been happening in their lives.

For more info about the Suicide Prevention Training on November 14th, click here!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Brian Zahnd’s book Beauty Will Save the World: Rediscovering the Allure and Mystery of Christianity- Andrew Greeley’s book The Catholic Imagination- CXMH episode featuring Jason Chesnut: 18 - Depression & Dementors- Rabbi Ruth Adar/Coffeeshop Rabbi (and her post about Shalom)- We mention two Twitter chats: #InterfaithChat and #SlateSpeak- Meredith mentions ‘redlining.’ To learn more about that, here’s a good video.- Meredith’s online presentation: ‘Digital Activism 101: A Guide to Showing Up, Speaking Out, and Connecting on Twitter and Facebook’

Connect with Meredith on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or buy her books on Amazon!

Quotes:- “Teaching happens everywhere. Learning happens everywhere.” (tweet)- “What I believe we all need more of is beauty.” (tweet)- “The hardest thing you will ever have to do as a writer is unhook yourself from the necessity of getting approval from readers.” (tweet)- “The creativity process so often needs to be creativity for the sake of creativity.” (tweet)- “Anxiety and excitement feel the same way in the body.” (tweet)- “Whatever you do face-to-face happens online, only faster.” (tweet)

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This week, we’re joined by Phileena Heuertz, co-founder of Gravity: A Center for Contemplative Activism, and author of Pilgrimage of a Soul: Contemplative Spirituality for the Active Life. In this episode, Phileena talks with us about her first book (one of Holly’s favorite books, which you’ll soon understand why!) and unpacks the seven stages of the spiritual journey. What are the seven stages and how do they map alongside a pilgrimage? You’ll have to listen to find out (and then pick up the book to read more)!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Phileena’s book, Pilgrimage of a Soul: Contemplative Spirituality for the Active Life- Phileena’s upcoming book, Mindful Silence: The Heart of Christian Contemplation- Gravity: A Center for Contemplative Activism- Chris Heuertz- The Way (2010 film)- Insight Timer, the meditation app we discuss)- Ology Symposium: A Dialogue Between Psychology and Theology- Episode 22 of CXMH - Are The Tides Turning? (feat. Kristen Kansiewicz) - Episodes of CXMH that focus on the enneagram

Connect with Phileena on her website, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. Or buy her books on Amazon!

Quotes:- “Many of us are not prepared for the deeper journey.” (tweet)- “Life has a way of challenging our religious paradigms.” (tweet)- “It’s one thing to grow up in a church and have ideas about God, the world, & one another. It’s something else once we get out into the world and live for awhile.” (tweet)- “We can’t separate psychology from spirituality.” (tweet)- “As I progress in life and in the spiritual journey, there are parts of my identity that I’ve needed to die to so that I might live into a truer version of myself.” (tweet)- “The way in which God calls me or leads me is into my highest, best, truest, most fulfilling self.” (tweet)- “In the ways that I’m more concerned with what other people think of me, to that degree I will be limited in being able to live into my truest self & highest potential.” (tweet)- “Many of us have heard too much about how horrible we are.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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This week, we’re joined by Waco-area pastor Mary Alice Birdwhistell to talk about preaching on mental health. Why is it important? How can pastors do it well? Can we get Mary Alice to read us an entire sermon she’s written? We get answers to all of these and more!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Gravity: A Center for Contemplative Activism- Chris Heuertz- Phileena Heuertz- NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness- Other resources we recommend including books, podcasts, websites, and more.- As usual, someone ends up mentioning Brené Brown

Connect with Mary Alice on Facebook or on Calvary Baptist Church’s website.

Quotes:- “People can sniff out fakeness a mile away.” (tweet)- “The church has to start talking about things that are real, and mental health is at the top of that list.” (tweet)- “Having a counselor is one of the healthiest things I can do as a pastor, but also as a person.” (tweet)- “We desperately need to start talking about mental health. We can’t afford not to. And what better place for that conversation to happen than in the church?” (tweet)- “All of us, in some way, at some point, experience some kind of mental health challenge. All of us.” (tweet)- “When in doubt, refer.” (tweet)- “It’s all mental health related if it has to do with [us] & [our] well-being.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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Who’s hungry? In this episode, we get to talk with Dr. Leslie Korn, an expert on how nutrition impacts our mental health. We talk about the gut as the ‘second brain,’ what foods are good for depression, anxiety, focus, sleeping, etc., and how to start evaluating your diet and making changes that stick. [Confession from Robert: I literally finished eating an ice cream sandwich before typing these show notes. I think Dr. Korn might disapprove.]

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- The NTA’s free online course: ‘Nutritional Therapy 101’ that teaches the basics of nutrition- Dr. Korn’s book The Good Mood Kitchen: Simple Recipes and Nutrition Tips for Emotional Balance- Dr. Korn’s book of recipes: Eat Right, Feel Right: Over 80 Recipes and Tips to Improve Mood, Sleep, Attention & Focus- Dr. Korn’s book Nutrition Essentials for Mental Health: A Complete Guide to the Food-Mood Connection- Other podcasts on the topic of nutrition & mental health - The Thoughtful Counselor episode: Mood Follows Food - Therapy Chat episode 124: Eating Right to Feel Good - Nutrition & Mood - Counselor Toolbox podcast episode 309: Nutrition - The Savvy Psychologist: Is Your Gut Making You Depressed or Anxious?- Article from Harvard Medical Publishing - Nutritional Psychiatry: Your Brain on Food- The Center for Nutritional Psychology, which contains a page with tons of specific research & more resources.

Connect with Dr. Korn on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Youtube, or SoundCloud. You can also buy her books on Amazon!

Quotes:- “Up until recently, [nutrition] has been the missing piece in mental health treatment.” (tweet)- “Find a healthy substitute for the food that you like.” (tweet)- “Eat all the colors of the brainbow.” (tweet)- “Coffee is a drug, it’s not a beverage. So use it wisely.” (tweet)- “I guarantee you that if you improve your food, you will improve your mental health.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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This week, we get into the interviews for Season 3 by addressing one of the most common questions we hear: how do you find affordable mental healthcare? Joining us is Dr. Kevin Tarlow, the founder of LowCostHelp.com.

Helpful tips for finding affordable counseling:- figure out what your health insurance covers- ask a local provider for referral options- check local college/university counseling centers

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Episode 29: Why Don't People Get Treatment? (& How Can We Help?) (feat. Dr. David Susman)- LowCostHelp.com- Psychology Today's therapist directory- Open Path Collective- HelpPro

Connect with Dr. Tarlow on his website or Twitter. Connect with LowCostHelp on the website or on Twitter.

Quotes:- “We don’t have enough care. We don’t have care providers. We don’t have enough affordable care for mental health.” (tweet)- “It’s a full-time job, knowing how to navigate the healthcare system.” (tweet)- “We talk about food deserts…I think there are healthcare deserts too.” (tweet)- “I don’t think any of us should have to do this alone…it’s hard enough for me, who knows how this all works.” (tweet)- “Find someone that can help you through this process if possible, because that can make such a big difference.” (tweet)- “A huge thing we can do for the people that we care about is making sure they get the help we think they need.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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This one's getting a little meta, folks. When Holly first agreed to be the new cohost for CXMH (listen to her intro here), she asked if I would be willing to do an episode where she interviewed me about my vision for the show and how it came to be. I was caught somewhat off guard, and alternated between 'surely we've already done that' and 'no one would want to listen to that.' I eventually gave in, and that's what you'll hear in this episode.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- We talk a lot about the beginning few episodes. You can explore older episodes here to find ones that sound interesting to you!- When I was talking about the #ChurchMH chat from 2016, I mentioned other people helping run it but didn't mention the names. I wish I had, because they deserve to be mentioned. The #ChurchMH Twitter Chat was inspired by Jackson Dame (who also made the artwork for the chat) and was run weekly by myself, Jackson, Steve Austin, Aaron J. Smith, Jennifer Neyhart, and Sarah Robinson. They're all still doing awesome things and are 100% worth following.

Quotes:- “While we’re fixing big systemic things, the short-term goal has to be ‘how do we change the space people already are and have access to?’ ” (tweet)- “About 80% of the population has struggled with a mental health concern at some point in their life.” (tweet)- “It’s a pretty safe assumption that every person that you encounter has been impacted by mental health in some way.” (tweet)- “We all have mental health. We could all be healthier.” (tweet)- “Unless you’re given permission to talk about [mental health], you don’t.” (tweet)- “We know people turn to faith leaders in times of crises. How can we equip [them] to be better at those conversations and instill in them some trust to then refer if that’s what’s needed?” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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Welcome to Season 3! We're so excited to announce our new co-host, Dr. Holly Oxhandler! Holly's been both a guest and a guest host before, and is a professor of social work at Baylor University. In this special kick-off to Season 3, we get to know Holly and why she's excited to join the show.

Connect with Holly on her website or Twitter.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Episode 31: Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian? (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler)- Episode 38: The Enneagram & Our Faith Journey (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)- Episode 39: The Enneagram & Communities (feat. Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary)- Episode 15 - Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)- The Social Work Podcast hosted by Dr. Jonathan Singer- The work of Dr. Brené Brown

Quotes:- “If I can, in the slightest bit, help to serve those who are serving others, that to me is a tremendous beautiful gift.” (tweet)

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- give a one-time gift using PayPal- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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Surprise! We're still on summer break, but we're popping in with this episode. I get the chance to talk to award-winning author Jonathan Merritt about why people are using sacred language less, why that matters, and what we can do about it. We'll see you in a few weeks for Season 3, kicking off in September!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Studies in Words by C. S. Lewis- If you're interested more in the connection between our language and the way we view the world, I (Robert) recommend Words Can Change Your Brain by Andrew Newberg & Mark Robert Waldman- Psychology Today article: 'How the Language You Speak Influences the Way You Think'

Connect with Jonathan on his website, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or buy his new book Learning to Speak God from Scratch: Why Sacred Words are Vanishing - and How We Can Revive Them on Amazon. You can also listen to Jonathan on The Faith Angle or Seekers & Speakers.

Quotes:- “The vast majority of Americans, despite widespread religiosity, do not feel comfortable having spiritual conversations." (tweet)- “The words that we speak reveal something about what we believe and then shape what we believe.” (tweet)- “Language is not just expressive, it is also formative. The language that we use actually shapes what is inside of us.” (tweet)- “You cannot pretend you use language in a vacuum. It’s always attached to our experiences.” (tweet)

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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It's summertime! Like last year, I'll be taking the summer off from the show. In this short episode, I talk a little bit about the reasonings behind that, as well as give you some recommendations of things to read and listen to over the next few months!

This episode of CXMH is brought to you by Stigma Fighters. Learn more at StigmaFighters.com.

Things I mention in this episode:- How To Be Yourself: Quiet Your Inner Critic and Rise Above Social Anxiety by Dr. Ellen Hendriksen- Dr. Hendriksen's podcast, The Savvy Psychologist - Learning to Speak God from Scratch: Why Sacred Words Are Vanishing--and How We Can Revive Them by Jonathan Merritt- Jonathan's podcast, The Faith Angle- The Most Beautiful Thing I’ve Seen: Opening Your Eyes to Wonder by Lisa Gungor- Lonely at the Top: The High Cost of Men's Success by Dr. Thomas Joiner- Dr. Joiner's interview on The Social Work Podcast hosted by Dr. Jonathan Singer- the brand new podcast Parenting Forward, hosted by Cindy Brandt

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Ways to support CXMH:- make a pledge on Patreon and get rewards like an exclusive Facebook group, a mug, sticker, t-shirt, or more!- Do your Amazon shopping through this link- Leave us a rating & review on iTunes or Google Play- Check out our CXMH merchandise to show off your support- Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here- Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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June is Men's Health Month, so this week I'm rebroadcasting an episode we did about exactly that! Dr. Bart Andrews & pastor/author Nate Pyle join us to talk about all things related to men's mental health. Check out more info below, along with original show notes!

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Here's the CXMH store I mention in the intro, and here's a direct link to the brand new 'Church & State' design.- Dr. Thomas Joiner's book Lonely at the Top: The High Cost of Men's Success- Also, listen to Dr. Joiner discuss the ideas in Lonely at the Top on The Social Work Podcast with Dr. Jonathan Singer.- Shop on Amazon using this link to get all the same benefits you love from Amazon but help support CXMH!

This episode of CXMH is brought to you by Stigma Fighters. Learn more at StigmaFighters.com.

Quotes:- "Jesus did not come to make men more masculine, but in fact came to make all people more human." (tweet)- "Women are more likely to report experiencing distress than men. That doesn't mean men are experiencing less distress." (tweet)- "The number of men who die of suicide is 3-4 times the number of women who die of suicide." (tweet)- "The bulk of suicide deaths that occur in our country are occurring in men, particularly men over 35, especially white men." (tweet)- "It's a myth that men communicate less than women. Men & women communicate the same amount, but we communicate differently." (tweet)- "Women are much more likely to formally reach out for assistance than men are, particularly for mental health services." (tweet)- "If you look at our suicide rate, I would suggest that depression (and certainly unhappiness, stress, & emotional pain) is at a crisis point in our country, particularly among men." (tweet)- "When I was in a really bad spot, seeing reaching out & getting help as a weakness almost killed me." (tweet)- "I don't think there's anything inherently masculine about not reaching out & getting help." (tweet)- "Not showing weakness is a trait that we expect from our men, both in American culture and in American church culture in particular." (tweet)- "To make it ok to ask for people to ask for help, no matter what circumstances they're facing, is something that would benefit everybody around us." (tweet)- "We have made this artificial distinction between mental and physical, when they're the same exact thing. Suicide & depression are healthcare issues." (tweet)- "Healthcare should include mind, body, & spirit. These are all important aspects of wellness." (tweet)- "The whole range of human emotions is represented in Christian scripture." (tweet)

Let's talk about MEN! We're joined this week by two great guests who talk about masculinity, why men don't like asking for help, how our culture (& church culture) shapes that, and more!

Nate Pyle is a pastor, write, and author of Man Enough: How Jesus Redefines Manhood.

Connect with Nate on Twitter, his website, or buy Man Enough on Amazon.

Connect with Dr. Bart Andrews on Twitter or learn more about BHR.

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Join the exclusive Cxmhunity Facebook group to interact with the hosts, guests, and other listeners by pledging just $1/months on Patreon!Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here!

Support CXMH on Patreon, by shopping on Amazon, or leave us a review on iTunes or Google Play.Check out our brand new merchandise to show off your love of CXMH or start conversations.Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

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Folks, it's been a tough week. The deaths of Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain by suicide filled the headlines, and the CDC released a new report that suicide rates have been rising across the Unites States. As a result, I wanted to rebroadcast this episode from last year on Suicide Prevention for new listeners or long-time listeners who might find it helpful again. I'll also rebroadcast a bonus episode I did on Suicide Prevention resources later this week, so keep an eye out for that. Here's some new notes, followed by the original show notes from this episode:

• The Jedi Counsel episode I mention in the intro and a list of resources they put together.

This episode of CXMH is brought to you by Stigma Fighters. Learn more at StigmaFighters.com.

Quotes:- "If somebody's thinking 'I don't know anybody that has struggled with depression or eating disorders or self-harming behavior,' you should probably get to know folks in your community better." (tweet)- "If you don't think somebody in your community is suicidal, you're missing it. They're just not telling you." (tweet)

This week, we have two Doctors in the house! Dr. Jonathan Singer (host of The Social Work Podcast) and Dr. Sherry Molock join us to talk about suicide prevention in the context of churches, ministries, or other faith communities.

Resources mentioned in this episode:-National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (1-800-273-8255)-Crisis Textline (text HOME to 741741)-Trans Lifeline (877-565-8860)-The Trevor Project (866-488-7386)-Veterans Crisis Line (1-800-273-8255)-QPR Suicide Prevention Training (Robert's QPR Training info)-Sources of Strength-National Organization for People of Color Against Suicide (NOPCAS)-Suicide Prevention Resource Center -National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention -Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA)-Mental Health First Aid -ASIST (Applied Suicide Intervention Skills Training)-American Foundation for Suicide Prevention

Connect with Dr. Singer on Twitter, Facebook, his website, listen to The Social Work Podcast, or buy Suicide in Schools on Amazon.

Connect with Dr. Molock on Twitter, visit her church's website, or email her at smolock@gwu.edu.

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Join the exclusive Cxmhunity Facebook group to interact with the hosts, guests, and other listeners by pledging just $1/months on Patreon!Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here!

Support CXMH on Patreon or leave us a review on iTunes or Google Play.Check out our brand new merchandise to show off your love of CXMH or start conversations.Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

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Heads up: this one's got some language. Everyone's favorite bad missionary, Jamie Wright, stops by to talk about her new book, the problems with missions, and how her self-worth and mental health impacted her over the years.

Connect with Jamie on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or buy The Very Worst Missionary: A Memoir or Whatever on Amazon.

This episode of CXMH is brought to you by Stigma Fighters. Learn more at StigmaFighters.com.

Quotes:

• “I scraped together my value from being loved by the coolest person in the room.” (tweet)
• “I felt like I was only as valuable as the most valuable person who loved me.” (tweet)
• “There were all these issues that were supposed to go away because I was following Jesus.” (tweet)
• “I think it’s part of the human condition to live in the tension of arrogance and self-loathing.” (tweet)
• “You have to be able to look at the whole big picture of someone’s life…it all has to come into play when we decide what our ‘calling’ is.” (tweet)
• “I think for the most part, our equipping is the life we’ve lived.” (tweet)
• “My default when I’m really falling into depression is ‘I’m not depressed, I’m just lazy.’” (tweet)
• “It took me a long time to realize ‘oh, this is depression.’” (tweet)
• “When you start saying those things that sound so dangerous and taboo out loud, typically the response is ‘thank god you said that, I struggle too.’” (tweet)
• “You have value. You were born with value.” (tweet)
• “Dig deep. See a therapist. Ask your friends. Figure out who you are before you decide your value is based on someone else or something else.” (tweet)
• “Lean in. Lean into the hard work of figuring out who you are.” (tweet)

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Join the exclusive Cxmhunity Facebook group to interact with the hosts, guests, and other listeners by pledging just $1/months on Patreon!Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here!

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Happy Memorial Day! (go to counseling.) This week, Robert's back as your host to talk with Hannah Brencher, who you might remember from episode 14. Hannah talks about her latest book, the power of being here in a 'getting there' world, and how much her community mattered when she went through a hard season of depression. We also talk about old boyfriends, the Bachelor, and Hannah's process of finding community when she moved to Atlanta.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Hear more from Hannah in episode 14 - God Works Through People and her P.S. episode, '13 Thoughts on Mental Health.'

Connect with Hannah on her website, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, or watch her Ted talk here. Buy Come Matter Here: Your Invitation to Be Here in a Getting There World on Amazon.

Quotes:- “I found in my own life, I was always trying to get ‘there’ to prove to people that I mattered.” (tweet)- “I thought in some way that [accomplishments] might fill or make me feel like this growing hole inside of me was finally filled, and it never happened.” (tweet)- “I woke up and realized: these things that I was pushing for, this isn’t the goal.” (tweet)- “As long as I am willing to be there and be present in the moment, God always shows up.” (tweet)- “You almost don’t know to build strong support systems until something comes crashing down and you need people.” (tweet)- “You may get the chance, in your life, to walk with somebody through something really tough and it’ll change you.” (tweet)- “You have to make that choice of ‘am I gonna plant roots, am I gonna really be here? Or am I going to be consistently running away?’” (tweet)- “The beauty is in the long haul, but in our world no one is talking about the long haul.” (tweet)- “We could all sit around and complain ‘no one’s inviting me to things,’ but maybe in those times we have to learn to be the invitation.” (tweet)- “People bring so much to the table, but we have to do our job of showing up when we say we’re gonna show up.” (tweet)- “The things we don’t deal with will eventually come back and we will have to deal with them.” (tweet)- “If things are hard right now, it’s not a sign that God has abandoned you.” (tweet)- “People can’t help you if they don’t know that you're lost or broken or hurting.” (tweet)

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Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

Join the exclusive Cxmhunity Facebook group to interact with the hosts, guests, and other listeners by pledging just $1/months on Patreon!Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here!

Support CXMH on Patreon or leave us a review on iTunes or Google Play.Check out our brand new merchandise to show off your love of CXMH or start conversations.Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.

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This week, our guest host is trauma therapist Aundi Kolber! She talks about how grief is the bedrock of mental health, why smaller traumas & losses are still so important, what it means to really feel our feelings, and how learning how to respond honestly to smaller day-to-day moments sets the stage for encountering larger events.

Things Aundi mentions in this episode/other resources:- Hear more from Aundi on episode 32 - Trauma, Attachment, & Creating Safety.- Hear more about grief on episode 17 - Grief & Loss (feat. Dr. Elizabeth Horn & John Pavlovitz).- Hear more about emotions & feelings on episode 21 - Emotions Aren't Evil (feat. Marc Alan Schelske).- Aundi mentions being an Enneagram 4 and references recent episodes featuring Dr. Holly Oxhandler & Dr. Jon Singletary- The work of Dr. Brené Brown- The work of Dr. Dan Siegal- The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk- Everything Happens for a Reason: And Other Lies I've Loved by Kate Bowler- the poet Nayyirah Waheed (here's her website, her Instagram, her Twitter, and her books on Amazon).

Connect with Aundi on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Quotes:- "Grief is a normal part of what it means to be human.” (tweet)- “A lot of people grew up with the experience that it wasn’t ok to feel feelings.” (tweet)- “Grief…kind of represents what our body needs to do to move through difficult emotions.” (tweet)- “We can have smaller losses and smaller transitions. We have to learn how to feel those too.” (tweet)- “There’s this idea in the Bible that as you steward a smaller thing, you have permission to steward a bigger thing. I think it’s actually very similar with our emotions.” (tweet)- “If we’ve never learned how to feel smaller emotions, it’s hard when we get to a point where we’re having to feel bigger emotions.” (tweet)- “Grief is a bedrock of mental health.” (tweet)- “Grief is like this microcosm idea that can change in it’s size, but is always at it’s core about knowing how to process.” (tweet)- “Our emotional experiences are just about as unique as each of us are, and that’s ok.” (tweet)- “Acceptance is not necessarily being happy.” (tweet)

Connect with Robert on his website, Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram.

Join the exclusive Cxmhunity Facebook group to interact with the hosts, guests, and other listeners by pledging just $1/months on Patreon!Listen to the Cxmhunity Spotify playlist here!

Support CXMH on Patreon or leave us a review on iTunes or Google Play.Check out our brand new merchandise to show off your love of CXMH or start conversations.Check out other episodes and find your favorites guests on our website.Connect more with CXMH on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, or Pinterest.

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We're taking a break from guest hosts this week (a break from a break? I don't know, roll with me) to talk with Austin Channing Brown. Austin's new book I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness is phenomenal, and we talk about a lot of the same topics here: what does 'racial reconciliation' really mean? What can we learn from talking honestly about our past? What's the difference between individual bigotry and institutional racism? Can niceness be harmful? Why did Austin's parents name her Austin? We talk about all of this and more.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Austin references the work of Dr. Brenda Salter McNeil- Michelle Alexander's book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness- Episode 25 of CXMH - Race, Faith, & Mental Health (feat. Dr. Sherry Molock & Dr. Amber Thornton)

Connect with Austin on her website, on Twitter, on Facebook, or buy I'm Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness on Amazon.

Quotes:- “I have found that studying history is really helpful for understanding our present.” (tweet)- “It’s so much easier to point to the bigot. It is much harder to see how harm can be hidden by niceness.” (tweet)- “It doesn’t require meanness for racism and for racist decisions to still be made.” (tweet)- “What would it look like to actually treat white folks and people of color the same?” (tweet)- “Our history is so informative for both how we got here and who we’ll choose to be next.” (tweet)

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We're gonna keep it rolling with guest hosts: this week we're visited by Kristen Kansiewicz, a counselor who works in the church setting and writes extensively about the topics of integrating faith & mental health. (If you're unfamiliar with Kristen, you should check out the previous episodes of CXMH she's been on!) Kristen talks about different types of stigma, what our reactions to mental illness tend to be, how these play out in church communities, and what we can do about it.

(Note: this audio was originally accompanied by a video presentation with slides, so you may hear some references to that.)

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Sarah Rainer's article 'Seven Tips to Address Mental Health Issues In The Church'- Kristen's books on Amazon, including her church curriculum for On Edge- Troubled Minds: Mental Illness and the Church's Mission by Amy Simpson- Mental Health Grace Alliance, which has free resources and more in-depth ones for purchase- The Biology of Sin: Grace, Hope and Healing for Those Who Feel Trapped by Dr. Matthew Stanford- Grace for the Afflicted: A Clinical and Biblical Perspective on Mental Illness by Dr. Matthew Stanford- Mental Health and the Church: A Ministry Handbook for Including Children and Adults with ADHD, Anxiety, Mood Disorders, and Other Common Mental Health Conditions by Dr. Stephen Grcevich

Connect with Kristen on Twitter, her website, or buy her books on Amazon. Listen to Kristen's past appearances on CXMH:- Episode 22: Are The Tides Turning?- Episode 10: Counselors on Church Staff?

Quotes:- “Even our language can be stigmatizing.” (tweet)- “Stigma reduces the likelihood that someone is going to seek treatment.” (tweet)- “52-74% of people with mental health disorders do not receive treatment.” (tweet)- “Jesus demonstrated compassion, but He didn’t pity people.” (tweet)- “If the church is a place where people come and they’re hurting or struggling, and then they feel alienated from God or blamed for their symptoms, then we have a gospel problem.” (tweet)- “That’s our target: helping people in the margins.” (tweet)- “The church has to be in the front of [protesting] and not contributing to things that need to be protested.” (tweet)

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Did you like last week's episode? Then you're in luck! Dr. Holly Oxhandler returns as this week’s guest host, sitting down with Dr. Jon Singletary again to talk about the Enneagram some more. This week, they talk about how the Enneagram can be applied to communities using the thinking/feeling/doing centers, how each of these centers impacts communities’ responses to various issues (including promoting mental health), and where the Enneagram & mental health may intersect.

(I'd recommend listening to last week's episode first to get a good introduction to the Enneagram.)

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Holly’s previous appearance on CXMH in episode 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian?- Discover Your Soul Potential: Using The Enneagram to Awaken Spiritual Vitality by Kathy Hurley & Theodorre Donson- The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Healthy Relationships by Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanna Stabile- The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey to Healthy Relationships by Suzanna Stabile- Suzanne Stabile’s podcast, The Enneagram Journey- Jon’s article ‘You Are Not Your Personality: Why the Enneagram Matters’

Connect with Jon on Twitter, Facebook, or learn more about him.Connect with Holly on her website or on Twitter.

Quotes:- “God has created us to be a much more whole, complete kind of person.” (tweet)- “My best self is someone who balances doing, thinking, & feeling.” (tweet)- “Wellness and well-being, at its best, includes a mental component as well.” (tweet)- “It’s only by taking care of yourself can you provide support to others.” (tweet)

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Great news! Robert’s out on podternity leave, so Dr. Holly Oxhandler is this week’s guest host. She sits down with Dr. Jon Singletary to talk about the Enneagram in part one of a two-week series. This week, they talk about how the Enneagram helps you learn about yourself including an overview of the Enneagram, what each number means, how they can impact our faith journey and self-awareness, and what to do once we recognize our Enneagram number.

Things we mention in this episode/other resources:- Holly’s previous appearance on CXMH in episode 31 - Does It Matter If Your Therapist Is Christian?- Discover Your Soul Potential: Using The Enneagram to Awaken Spiritual Vitality by Kathy Hurley & Theodorre Donson- The Road Back to You: An Enneagram Journey to Healthy Relationships by Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanna Stabile- The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey to Healthy Relationships by Suzanna Stabile- Suzanne Stabile’s podcast, The Enneagram Journey- Jon’s article ‘You Are Not Your Personality: Why the Enneagram Matters’

Connect with Jon on Twitter, Facebook, or learn more about him.Connect with Holly on her website or on Twitter.

Quotes:- “Thinking about mind and body and heart are different ways of thinking about thinking, feeling, and doing.” (tweet)- “Perhaps a part of what Jesus was saying is loving God with your whole self means paying attention to [thinking, feeling, and doing.]” (tweet)- “We all wear different glasses in how we approach the world.” (tweet)- “Our thinking self, our feeling self, and our doing self shape how we respond to most situations.” (tweet)- “[The Enneagram] has helped tremendously to remind myself that not everyone sees the world in the same way that I do.” (tweet)- “I think grace for yourself is key. You have to have grace for yourself to offer it to others.” (tweet)- “The only way to truly be selfless on the journey is to know how your personality gets in the way of you doing that.” (tweet)- “Being reflective about our personality invites us to make choices.” (tweet)

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Have you ever wondered what would happen if your favorite fictional characters visited a mental health professional? Have no fear, Jedi Counsel is here! Dr. Katie Gordon & Brandon Saxton host a podcast that explores mental health in your favorite characters, as well as being researchers and psychologists. We talk about Darth Vader (narcissistic personality disorder?), Rick & Morty (can a pickle attend family therapy?), and more.

Things we mention in this episode:- CXMH episode 15 on Suicide Prevention and our bonus episode on Suicide Prevention Resources- Dr. Thomas Joiner's work on suicidality, including his books Why People Die By Suicide and Myths About Suicide- The various episodes of Jedi Counsel we mention can be found here- Jedi Counsel's first blog post: Diagnosing Darth Vader- Geek Therapy

Connect with Jedi Counsel on their website, Facebook, or Twitter. Listen to Jedi Counsel on iTunes, Stitcher, or Podbean. You can also listen to the Rickistential Podcast here. Connect with Katie on her website or Twitter. Connect with Brandon on his website or Twitter.

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Quotes:- “We are all affected by biases that might not lead us in the right direction.” -Dr. Katie Gordon (tweet)- “If there’s something that you’re passionate about, try content creation.” -Brandon Saxton (tweet)

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This week, I talk with Carlos Rodríguez. Carlos is an author, non-profit activist, former pastor, and founder of Happy Sonship. We talk about hiding behind masks, using theology to avoid working on ourselves, and Carlos shares his story of finding a more authentic faith.

Connect with Carlos on HappySonship.com, Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, or Instagram. Support Happy Sonship's non-profit work through the Happy Givers store. Buy Carlos's books on Amazon - Drop The Stones: When Love Reaches the Unlovable and Simply Sonship: A Discovery of Sonship. Listen to the Drop The Stones podcast on iTunes.

Quotes:- “As a preacher, I was used to only sharing weakness 20 years later when I’d overcome it, not when it was happening.” (tweet)- “Let my life be a prepared sermon.” (tweet)- “I found Jesus in the prisons. I found Jesus in Puerto Rico 3 weeks after the hurricane.” (tweet)- “I’ve rediscovered the beauty of our faith just sitting with somebody.” (tweet)- “I was vulnerable enough for people to know there were some issues, but not enough for people to say ‘he needs help.’” (tweet)- “My anger turned into repentance, the repentance turned into hope.” (tweet)- “I just know, without a shadow of a doubt: if more people in my church, if more people in churches in America, if more people even outside of the church were willing to see a professional…things would be so much better.” (tweet)- “The fact that you need help I think is an extremely Godly thing.” (tweet)- “God is not attracted to good theology, God is attracted to humility.” (tweet)- “Some people can judge you with Bible verses, but that doesn’t mean they’re judging you biblically.” (tweet)- “Stop looking for permission and go get help.” (tweet)

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This week, I chat with LCSW and author, Sharon Martin. We talk all about perfectionism, how it impacts our interpersonal relationships, ways to show ourselves more compassion, and more!

Sharon is a therapist in San Jose, CA who’s worked with adolescents, the homeless, juvenile offenders, veterans, and individuals struggling with substances, trauma, and mental illness. Her writing on emotional wellness, healthy relationship, and parenting have been featured in Redbook, Bustle, About.com, The Huffington Post and various other websites and publications including regular columns on PsychCentral & The Good Men Project.

Connect with Sharon on her website, Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, or Instagram. Read her PsychCentral column (Happily Imperfect) or her column on The Good Men Project (Courage to Be Me). Preorder her new book, The Perfectionism Workbook: Practical Skills to Help You Let Go of Self-Criticism, Find Balance, and Reclaim Your Self-Worth, out in January 2019.

Things we reference in this episode:- Sharon's article 'The Link Between Perfectionism & Codependency'- Sharon's article '22 Ways to Love Yourself More'- PsychologyToday article 'The Unsettling Truth About What's Hurting Today's Students'

Quotes:- “If the goal is unattainable and the alternative is failure, then we’re always going to be sitting in the failure camp.” (tweet)- “[Perfectionism] is often just as much about trying to meet other people’s expectations as it is about trying to meet your own expectations.” (tweet)- “The meat of learning is trying things and seeing what doesn’t work.” (tweet)- “You can think of life as a big experiment instead of a test where there’s a grade at the end.” (tweet)- “Maybe I can learn a lot of great things about myself, or about life, or about other people by taking a chance and not doing [something] so great.” (tweet)- “When we can be compassionate with ourselves, that’s when we can do better.” (tweet)- “There’s a lot of things in between success and failure.” (tweet)- “There’s still a lot of benefit in doing some of something or having it done imperfectly.” (tweet)

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This week I talk with therapist, author, & new co-host of The Liturgists, Hillary McBride. We talk about self-image, creating a new narrative for ourselves and the generations after us, how parenting just needs to be 'good enough', and tons more.

Other things we mention:- Episode 32 of CXMH featuring Aundi Kolber.- The Liturgists episode on Embodiment (we don't actually mention this, but you should check it out.)- the APA task force on the sexualization of girls

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Connect with Hillary on her website, Twitter, Instagram or listen to The Liturgists. Buy Mothers, Daughters, and Body Image: Learning to Love Ourselves as We Are on Amazon. You can also preorder Hillary's new textbook Embodiment and Eating Disorders: Theory, Research, Prevention and Treatment on Amazon.

Quotes:- "We know from the empirical evidence that between 85 and 90 percent of women are totally dissatisfied with their appearance, with their body, with their sense of self." (tweet) - "A person is in the minority if they like themselves, if they like their body." (tweet)- "I've had so much suffering in my experience with being alive and with my body and I want to live my life in such a way that I can shape the story, that I can help people not hurt the way that I've hurt, and that I know that I can turn the pain that I've been through into something beautiful in my own life and into other people's lives." (tweet)- "Pain doesn't get the final word. Suffering doesn't get the final word. Beauty & growth & thriving does." (tweet)- "We come from people and we're going towards people. We're part of a collective that's on a journey that extends way beyond the sense of individuality we have." (tweet) - "Sometimes we think about our lives from such an individualistic perspective that we miss the larger story which is that we belong to each other." (tweet)- "There is something that can move your kids forward, even if you're not perfect." (tweet)- "It's ok to make mistakes. It's how you respond to those mistakes that makes the difference." (tweet)- "There is no version of being a parent that is healthy, that helps your kids thrive, that is perfect." (tweet)- "The overwhelming majority of people, after looking at print media, feel really crappy about their body." (tweet)- “Having a sense of connection to the divine, to a God who is bigger than us and even bigger than our rules and a God who is loving and compassionate…that can help us feel like we have goodness in us, even when the world around us has told us we don’t.” (tweet)- “Surrounding yourself with people who love you and support a vision of humanness that is gracious & loving & accepting is important.” (tweet)- “There is so much more to who you are than your suffering, than your appearance.” (tweet)- “If you’re suffering, if you’re in pain: that doesn’t make you less lovable.” (tweet)

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This week, I spend some time thanking people who help made CXMH possible recently and than talking about what's coming up for CXMH! After that, I talk with Rudy Caseres, an award-winning writer, speaker, & mental health advocate. He shares about his story, being diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and wanting to be the next Pope.

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This week, I talk with Aundi Kolber, a trauma-informed therapist and writer. We talk about mental health work as social justice, various types of trauma, attachment, and the importance of creating safety in our communities.

Quotes:- "God didn't make me to experience abuse." (tweet) - "Have the courage to do your own work. You can't take people where you haven't been." (tweet) - "One of the most healing parts of my own recovery was experiencing God in a safe way." (tweet) - "Sometimes, because we don't know better, we can perpetuate harm because we're not in touch with our own wounds." (tweet) - "When we have a home where we are shamed for our feelings and our experience, we grow up thinking there's only one acceptable type of experience." (tweet) - "The less tools you have for hard things, the more it will effect you when you go through any type of hard thing...When we have good support and when we have tools, we begin to say 'you know what, I can do this hard thing.'" (tweet) - "Shame is such a huge part of what keeps people stuck in their trauma." (tweet) - "You cannot have safety where there is shame." (tweet) - "Emotions are not bad or good. They are there to tell us something is happening." (tweet) - "God made us as emotional beings. We cannot cut those parts off of ourselves without there being significant ramifications." (tweet)

Other things we mention:- The Body Keeps The Score by Bessel van der Kolk- Aundi's article '3 Ways to Support Someone Recovering from Trauma'- CXMH episode with Marc Alan Schelske: Emotions Aren't Evil

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I know, 'recast' may or may not be a real word. In the wake of the Parkland shooting, I've once again seen countless comments online & from public officials placing most of the blame on mental illness. In response, I thought it was important to rebroadcast our discussion with Gabe Howard from late 2017 where we discussed the link between violence and mental illness, if there is one, and how we can react well when people make comments like the ones above.

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To read more about mental health advocates' response to Pat Robertson's comments, click here.

Gabe Howard is host of the Psych Central Show, as well as being an award-winning writer, mental health activist, and sought-after speaker and educator. Connect with Gabe on Twitter, Facebook, on his website, and listen to the PsychCentral podcast.

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The article Robert references throughout this episode is:Martinelli, L. R., Binney, J. S., & Kaye, R. (2014). Separating Myth from Fact: Unlinking Mental Illness and Violence and Implications for Gun Control Legislation and Public Policy. New England Journal on Criminal and Civil Confinement, 40(359), 359-377.

Further references:Facts Sheets: Facts About Mental Illness and Violence, MENTAL HEALTH REPORTING U. OE WASH. SCH. OE SOC, WORK, http://www.depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php.

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Happy Valentine's Day week! Unless you hate Valentine's Day, in which case just have a great week.

This week, I talk with Dr. Holly Oxhandler, the Associate Dean for Research and Faculty Development and an Assistant Professor at Baylor University’s Diana R. Garland School of Social Work. Holly studies religion/spirituality, health and mental health, and is especially interested in whether and how mental and behavioral health therapists discuss their client’s religious/spiritual beliefs in treatment.

We talk about the difference between social work and other mental health professions, if clients are wanting to discuss spirituality with their therapists, and if it really matters what faith your therapist believes in. Hint: maybe, maybe not. Listen to the episode instead of trying to find the answers in the show notes, you slacker. (Just kidding, you're great.)

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Things we mention in this episode:- Start With Why: How Great Leaders Inspire Everyone to Take Action by Simon Sinek

Quotes:

• "Once you've found what it is you're designed to do, it's like 'how can you not do it?'" (tweet)
• "When mental healthcare providers talk about clients' religion & spirituality...it improves outcomes. Clients get better faster." (tweet)
• "When [therapists] deeply understand their belief system, they're more comfortable with clients' religion & spirituality." (tweet)
• "I wish that we would move away from the question of whether or not to talk about clients' faith and really move towards 'ok, how do we do that?'" (tweet)
• "Any ministry leaders who think that their congregation members aren't struggling with mental health issues, you're kidding yourself." (tweet)
• "If your therapist doesn't ask about [your religious beliefs], as scary as it might be, I think its ok to bring it up." (tweet)
• "From the mental health side, we don't have to be experts in religion & spirituality and from the religion & spirituality side, we don't have to be experts in mental health. But we at least need to be sensitive to bridge the two together and connect these two areas." (tweet)

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Congrats to whoever won the Super Bowl, since I'm writing these show notes before it happens. This week, I talk with life & leadership coach, author, & speaker Amy Simpson. We talk extensively about Amy's book Troubled Minds: Mental Illness & The Church's Mission, and we talk a lot about her experiences growing up with her father as a pastor and her mother being diagnosed with schizophrenia. She shares how those experiences impacted her, what she wishes would've been available to help her, and how the church can help families going through similar things today.

Things we mention/resources discussed in this episode:- Fresh Hope- The Mental Health Grace Alliance- Mental Health First Aid

Connect with Amy on her website, Twitter, Facebook, or buy Troubled Minds on Amazon. You can also check out her other books, including Anxious and her newest book (releasing Feb. 13th), Blessed Are the Unsatisfied.

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Quotes:

• "There was a part of me that felt if I just loved her enough and I cared for her enough...she would get better." (tweet)
• "There was a point where the church felt like 'we've helped you, so things should be better now.'" (tweet)
• "I think with a lot of people there's a faith crisis that goes along with a mental health crisis." (tweet)
• "It would've been a tremendous ministry to me and my family to have mental illness simply mentioned in the context of faith." (tweet)
• "We have, in many contexts, largely forgotten how to talk about suffering." (tweet)
• "While we're mostly avoiding talking about suffering in our churches...we have people sitting the pews whose lives are hard." (tweet)
• "When people encounter suffering, they need to know that this does not undermine the reality of their faith." (tweet)
• "There's absolutely no excuse, in my mind, for any church in the United States not to have at least one person who is trained in mental health first aid." (tweet)
• "We're not going to replace the need for psychiatric care or for medication & counseling. But at the same time, they're not going to replace us either." (tweet)

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This one's got it all! I talk with Dr. David Susman, a clinical psychologist, blogger, and award-winning mental health advocate, and he has a lot to offer! Based on Dr. Susman's most popular posts, we talk about the most common reasons people don't get mental health treatment: things like stigma, financial costs, availability of mental health professionals, and more. We also talk about practical ways to help remove those barriers.

Things we mention in the episode:-8 Reasons People Don't Get Treatment for Mental Illness-Overcoming the 8 Reasons People Don't Get Treatment for Mental Illness-How To Find a Good Psychotherapist-Psychotherapy Works!-The American Counseling Association (ACA)'s 'Take Action' page, where you can find ways to help advocate for mental health.- Get involved with the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI), including advocacy.- the American Psychological Association (APA)'s page for advocacy.-the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP)'s

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Quotes:"Between 30 and 80 percent of the people who have mental health issues never receive treatment." (tweet)"I think there's great benefit [to therapy] even if you're not at the level where things are really falling apart." (tweet)"Everybody's gonna need help sometimes. Nobody's perfect. We all struggle, we all have challenges. It's ok to get some counseling. It's ok to get some professional assistance." (tweet)"There's overwhelming evidence that psychotherapy works." (tweet)"Long story short: mental health treatment absolutely works." (tweet)

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This week, Steve hijacks the show! He talks with Brittney Moses, a clinical Psychology student, app developer, and writer at the intersection of faith & mental health. She has some amazing things to say and share with us. Also, apparently Steve's inner critic is named 'Robert,' which I find highly offensive.

Things mentioned in this episode:-Brittney's 7 Day Anxiety Detox E-Series can be found here.-Read Brittney's post, 'Setting Boundaries with Your Inner Critic' here.

Connect with Brittney on her website, on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, or download her app!

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Quotes:- "I believe that we all deal with mental health issues on a spectrum...but we can journey together through it." (tweet)- "What [your journey] looks like now isn't what it's always going to look like. It's a journey." (tweet)- "What you believe about yourself & the way that you talk to yourself, that is the biggest voice that is guiding your life." (tweet)- "You can separate yourself from your thoughts." (tweet)- "The moment that you're questioning if you should get help, that's usually a sign you should. You're having that thought for a reason." (tweet)- "Don't let anybody shame you out of getting the help that you need, even yourself." (tweet)- "Even therapists have therapists. Therapy is not for crazy people. It's not even just for people who are mentally ill. It's for anybody who's just stuck in their lives, within themselves, and they're having a hard time digging their way out." (tweet)- "The truth is that we can't dig ourselves out of a hole. You need someone who's outside of it to reach down and pull you out." (tweet)

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Happy MLK day weekend! This week, we're joined by pastor, blogger, and author Scott Sauls to talk about his new book, From Weakness to Strength: 8 Vulnerabilities That Can Bring Out the Best In Your Leadership. We talk about topics like ambition, isolation, criticism, envy, anticlimax, opposition, restlessness, and insecurity, as well as how these things can go from vulnerabilities to strength.

Connect with Scott on his website, Facebook, or Twitter. Get From Weakness to Strength on Amazon, and make sure to check out his other books: Jesus Outside The LInes and Befriend. Scott also recommends N.T. Wright's Surprised By Hope.

We also check in with our friend Sarah Fader to hear about her new book, The 10-Step Depression Relief Workbook: A Cognitive Behavioral Therapy Approach.

Quotes from the episode:- "The first negative word that the Scriptures speak is that it's not good to be alone." (tweet)- "Don't wrestle with pigs." (tweet)- "A lot of times when we feel small, we act big." (tweet)- "We're never gonna be settled with who we are until we understand ourselves in light of who God says we are." (tweet)

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Trigger Warnings: In this episode, we talk about depression and suicide, including a specific case.

This is a jam-packed one, folks. This week, I'm joined by Dr. Margaret Rutherford: author, podcast host, blogger, and psychotherapist. We cover a ton of topics including Seasonal Affective Disorder, Perfectly Hidden Depression, perfectionism, and more!

Connect with Dr. Margaret Rutherford on her website, Facebook, Twitter, or listen to her podcast: SelfWork.

-Dr. Rutherford's Facebook live video for Mental Health on The Mighty-Dr. Rutherford's post 'The Perfectly Hidden Depressed Person: Are You One?'-'How To Know If You Experience Perfectly Hidden Depression: A Questionnaire'-Gordon Flett's book Perfectionism: A Relational Approach to Conceptualization, Assessment, and Treatment.-Kate Fagan's book, What Made Maddie Run.-Dr. Rutherford's book, Marriage Isn't For Chickens.

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It's the time of year to pause and reflect, so we take some time to think back on the show so far and what we've done in 2017. Also, Steve makes a big announcement.

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A huge thanks to the following people who made the first year of CXMH possible:

Our wives and families, Scott McConnell, Sarah Fader, Sarah Schuster, Aaron J. Smith, Mike McHargue, Jason Micheli, William Paul Young, Gabe Howard, Nate Crawford, Dr. Heather Vacek, Nate Pyle, Dr. Bart Andrews, Jon Scott, Kristen Kansiewicz, L.J. Vanier, Sarah Robinson, Rev. Liz Edman, Stephanie Gates, Dan from Canada, Grace Sandra, J.J. Landis, Jeremy Sims, Act of Congress, Dr. Janis Whitlock, Stephen Mansfield, Hannah Brencher, Dr. Jonathan Singer, Dr. Sherry Molock, Rev. Ed Bacon, John Pavlovitz, Dr. Elizabeth Horn, Jason Chesnut, Kay Warren, Zach Hoag, Marc Alan Schelske, Kaitlin Curtice, Dr. Stacey Freedenthal, Dr. Amber Thornton, CloZee, Rivers and Robots, Seth Baker, Chris Guar, Jenna Rose Jack, Caroline North, Christy Vanhoozer, Rudy Caseres, Lindsay Hicks, Barry Pearman, Noel Young, Brad Wofford, Sarah McLachlan, Callan Sims, Justin who lent Robert the earphones that one time, anyone who gave us podcasting advice, the folks who rate & review us on iTunes, Carter Carroll, Kevin Garcia, James Vore, Andre Henry, so many more people, and you: the listeners.

Coming in 2018: Amy Simpson, Brittney Moses, Dr. Holly Oxhandler, Dr. David Susman, Scott Sauls, Dr. Margaret Rutherford, and plenty more! Make sure to subscribe and come back to listen!

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Whoa. This week, we learn a lot. We're joined by Dr. Sherry Molock and Dr. Amber Thornton to talk about the intersection of race, faith, & mental health. They share their personal & professional experiences, talk about the different ways we see mental health, and teach us about racial trauma. Steve & Robert don't do a lot of talking, which is always a plus.

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Notes:-Dr. Molock mentions 'John Henryism.'-Steve reads some excerpts from Andre Henry's series, 'God of the Ghetto.'-We recommend the episode 'Dear White People, This Is What You Can Do To Help!' from Dr. Thornton's podcast 'A Different Perspective.'

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Trigger warnings: in this episode we talk about suicide attempts, including a description of a personal encounter with someone attempting suicide.

This week, we're joined by Dr. Stacey Freedenthal, a psychotherapist and social work professor who specializes in Suicidology. Dr. Freedenthal talks about why suicide is such an important area to learn about as well as offering some advice on helping suicidal people and finding the right therapist. We also talk about how personal biases come into play regarding suicide and Dr. Freedenthal's brand new book, Helping The Suicidal Person.

Articles/resources mentioned throughout this episode:- Dr. Freedenthal's New York Times piece, "A Suicide Therapist's Secret Past."- 10 Things to Say to a Suicidal Person / 10 Things Not to Say to a Suicidal Person - CAMS (Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality)- "You Can't Do Everything": Limitations in Helping a Suicidal Person- The Columbia-Suicide Severity Rating Scale (C-SSRS)- How to Find a Therapist Who Does Not Panic About Suicide

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This Thanksgiving, it seems more important than ever to help share other voices than our own. Our friend Kaitlin Curtice is a Native American Christian writing, speaker, worship leader, and author of the new book Glory Happening: Finding the Divine in Everyday Places.

Kaitlin's recent blog post on Thanksgiving resources.

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Here are some recent quotes that made us frown:"This is a mental health problem." - Donald Trump on mass shootings"...almost every one has had some nexus to antidepressants." - Pat Robertson on mass shootings

This week, we're joined by Gabe Howard (who you might remember from episode 6 on Bipolar Disorder) to discuss the link between violence and mental illness, if there is one, and how we can react well when people make comments like the ones above.

To read more about mental health advocates' response to Pat Robertson's comments, click here.

Gabe Howard is host of the Psych Central Show, as well as being an award-winning writer, mental health activist, and sought-after speaker and educator. Connect with Gabe on Twitter, Facebook, on his website, and listen to the PsychCentral podcast.

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The article Robert references throughout this episode is:Martinelli, L. R., Binney, J. S., & Kaye, R. (2014). Separating Myth from Fact: Unlinking Mental Illness and Violence and Implications for Gun Control Legislation and Public Policy. New England Journal on Criminal and Civil Confinement, 40(359), 359-377.

Further references:Facts Sheets: Facts About Mental Illness and Violence, MENTAL HEALTH REPORTING U. OE WASH. SCH. OE SOC, WORK, http://www.depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_violence.php.

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Topical! This week, we're joined by Kristen Kansiewicz to address a topic that's been on Robert's mind the past few days: are we really moving forward as a church on mental health? Kristen is a licensed counselor on staff at a church and has some good thoughts on the matter.

We first talked to Kristen in episode 10, listen here. Kristen's blog post 'Connecting Pastors and Counselors' can be read here. Connect with Kristen on Twitter, her website, or buy her books on Amazon, including her newest book Becoming The You God Sees.

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Does God have emotions? If you've ever wondered, this episode is for you.

This week, I talk to Marc Alan Schelske, author of the new book The Wisdom of Your Heart: Discovering the God-Given Purpose and Power of Your Emotions. We talk about the theological misunderstanding that emotions are always bad, how our story impacts our emotional reactions, how emotions serve as indicators pointing towards something true, and more!

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Sites about Risk Factors, Protective Factors, & Warning Signs:- CDC- WebMD- SPRC- AFSP

Robert's resource page

Books Robert recommends:- Why People Die By Suicide by Thomas Joiner- Myths About Suicide by Thomas Joiner- Night Falls Fast: Understanding Suicide by Kay Redfield Jamison- Suicide: An Essential Guide for Helping Professionals and Educators by Darcy Granello & Paul Granello- Suicide In Schools: A Practitioner's Guide to Multi-Level Prevention, Assessment, Intervention, and Postvention by Jonathan Singer, Terri Erbacher, & Scott Poland

Podcast recommendations:- CXMH episode 15: Suicide Prevention (feat. Dr. Jonathan Singer & Dr. Sherry Molock)- PsychCentral: Debunking Suicide Myths- The Social Work Podcast: Addressing Suicide Risk in Schools - Jedi Counsel: Suicidal Ideation and Logan

Suicide Prevention Training Resources:- Robert's QPR Information- The QPR Institute- ASIST Trainings

Other Websites:- American Foundation for Suicide Prevention- Suicide Prevention Resource Center- American Association of Suicidology

Emergency Resources:- National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-TALK (8255)- Crisis Text Line: text 'Home' to 741741- Hopeline: Call or text 919-231-4525 or 1-877-235-4525- Trans Lifeline: U.S. (877) 565-8860 or Canada (877) 330-6366- Trevor Lifeline: 866-488-7386 (specializes in LGBTQ youth)- Georgia Crisis & Access Line: 1-800-715-4225 (Georgia specific)- Veterans Crisis Line: call 1-800-273-8255 and press 1 or send a text message to 838255- San Francisco Night Ministry: call 415-441-0123 from 10:00 p.m. to 4:00 a.m.- Asian American LifeNet Hotline: Call 1-877-990-8585 24/7 (Cantonese, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, Fujianese are offered)- Boys Town Hotline: 800-448-3000 (also has an option for hearing and speech impaired callers at 1-800-448-1833)

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This week, Zach Hoag stops by to talk about his new book, The Light Is Winning: Why Religion Might Just Bring Us Back To Life. Also, Steve makes some pretty rude comments about movies. The t-shirts Robert mentions during the intro can be bought here to support AFSP, and you can learn more about his Suicide Prevention trainings here!

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Trigger warnings: sexual trauma, suicide, grief.

It's National Suicide Prevention Day, so we're releasing this episode on Sunday. Also: holy cow. We talk with Kay Warren, and it's phenomenal. She shares a lot of her story with us including molestation, trauma, losing a son to suicide, working in ministry, and more. You (seriously) don't want to skip this one.

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We're kicking off Season 2 strong! In the intro, we talk about internet trolls and get into a fight about college football. Then we're joined by Jason Chesnut, co-founder of The Slate Project and ordained ELCA pastor to talk about his depression, intersectional justice, switching medications, and Harry Potter.

Note: we talk a bit about demons, but there's some clarification about how Jason uses the term later in the episode. To be clear: we don't believe mental illness is a demon or that it should be treated with purely spiritual acts such as exorcism. Hopefully you know us well enough by now to assume that, but it seems better to clarify just in case.

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We're back! After a long summer break, we're ready for Season 2 of CXMH with more fake names, unrequested singing, witty banter, and of course: amazing guests who join us to talk about faith and mental health. This is just a welcome back episode though, so you'll only find the first 3 things.

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It's summer break! We're wrapping up Season 1 of CXMH and taking a few weeks off, but (don't worry) we'll be back in the fall!

In this short episode, Robert & Steve reflect on the episodes so far, what they've learned, and Robert switches halfway through this sentence to writing the rest of the description in the first person. We also give some sneak peeks at what we're planning for the fall and thank a ton of people who made Season 1 possible.

Make sure to stick around to the very end to hear a special musical surprise that it's 50/50 whether you'll enjoy or not! Started listening recently? Check out past episodes here!

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Intro/outro music on this episode is Hidden Personality by CloZee.

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We're back from our Memorial Day break, and we have so much to talk about! We hit 10k (and then 11k) listens! Robert's friends are listening to the show! Steve went to New York!

More importantly, we're joined this week by blogger & pastor John Pavlovitz and grief counselor Dr. Elizabeth Horn to talk about grief & loss. Are the stages of grief nonsense? What should we say to those who've experienced loss? Can we grieve things other than loved ones dying? We talk about all this and more!

Connect with John on his website, on Twitter, on Facebook, or preorder A Bigger Table: Building Messy, Authentic, and Hopeful Spiritual Community on Amazon.

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This week, the Reverend Ed Bacon comes on the show to talk about prayer & meditation, as well as living in the house of Love vs. the house of fear.

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This week, we have two Doctors in the house! Dr. Jonathan Singer (host of The Social Work Podcast) and Dr. Sherry Molock join us to talk about suicide prevention in the context of churches, ministries, or other faith communities.

Resources mentioned in this episode:-National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (1-800-273-8255)-Crisis Textline (text HOME to 741741)-Trans Lifeline (877-565-8860)-The Trevor Project (866-488-7386)-Veterans Crisis Line (1-800-273-8255)-QPR Suicide Prevention Training (Robert's QPR Training info)-Sources of Strength-National Organization for People of Color Against Suicide (NOPCAS)-Suicide Prevention Resource Center -National Action Alliance for Suicide Prevention -Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA)-Mental Health First Aid -ASIST (Applied Suicide Intervention Skills Training)-American Foundation for Suicide Prevention

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Hannah Brencher reading her piece '13 Thoughts on Mental Health.'

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Hannah Brencher is the author of If You Find This Letter, as well as a TED speaker and founder of More Love Letters. She was named as one of the White House's Women Working to Do Good and has been featured in a plethora of publications. She joins us this week to talk about the idea that God works through people, as well as talking about her own mental health battles and how it intersected with her faith.

Connect with Hannah on her website, on Twitter, or buy If You Find This Letter: My Journey to Find Purpose Through Hundreds of Letters to Strangers. Watch her Ted talk here. Read the blog post we talk about (13 Thoughts on Mental Health) here.

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This week, we talk with Stephen Mansfield about how to heal church hurts and why it's important that we stay involved in the church even when people hurt us.

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Content Warning: In this episode, we discuss self-harm, suicidal thoughts & behaviors, and scars/blood/wounds. Please keep your personal well-being in mind when avoiding triggering content.

What is non-suicidal self-injury? Dr. Janis Whitlock joins us to talk about NSSI, how it functions with the brain, how to help those who may be self-injuring, and more. Dr. Whitlock is the Director of the Cornell Research Program on Self-Injury and Recovery and a Research Scientist in the Bronfenbrenner Center for Translational Research.

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Content Warning: In this episode, we talk about suicide, self-harm, and abortion.

In this special Good Friday episode of CXMH, we stand in the tension of the days between crucifixion and resurrection, recognizing the parts of our stories that have yet to resolve. Rather than having a normal conversation, we invited our friends to share their struggles, their pain, and their doubts in their own words.

-Let The Darkness Shape You by L.J. Vanier (read by Steve Austin)-We Don't Talk About This On Good Friday by Sarah Simmons-Trusting Through the Suck by Steve Austin-Pierced By a Song by Rev. Liz Edman-When Jesus Comes Into Our Great Sadness by William Paul Young-The Work of the People by Stephanie Gates-Stigma by Dan from Canada-A Litany for Survival by Audre Lorde (read by Grace Sandra)-Take and Eat by J.J. Landis-Finding God in the Tension by Robert Vore

Music used:-'Waiting' by Jeremy Sims-'Love Comes for Free' by Act of Congress

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Paul Young is back! We get an update on The Shack movie and discuss more about Lies We Believe About God. We also ask listener-submitted questions!

Content warnings: We discuss sexual abuse and suicide in this episode.

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Should churches hire counselors on staff? How would that even work? Is it allowed? Kristen Kansiewicz joins us to discuss these topics and more!

Kristen is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in Lynn, MA and has been the on-staff counselor at East Coast International Church since 2005. She is passionate about helping churches provide quality, professional emotional care within their own setting and is committed to bringing accessible care to pastors and their families through online mental health consultation and coaching.

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Jon Scott is one of the hosts of the Holy Heretics podcast, as well as an award-winning singer/songwriter. Jon joins us this week to talk about being a self-proclaimed 'heretic,' what bad theology looks like, and how it impacts our mental well-being.

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Let's talk about MEN! We're joined this week by two great guests who talk about masculinity, why men don't like asking for help, how our culture (& church culture) shapes that, and more!

Nate Pyle is a pastor, write, and author of Man Enough: How Jesus Redefines Manhood. Dr. Bart Andrews is

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We're very confused about what day it is during the intro to this episode, which kind of works, because we do a bit of time-traveling this week. Back in episode 1, we looked at the church's current view towards mental illness. But where did those views come from? What historical influences shaped those? Dr. Heather Vacek stops by to help us understand how we got here through discussing her new book, Madness: American Protestant Responses to Mental Illness.

Dr. Vacek is the Vice President for Academic Affairs and Dean of Faculty at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, as well as being an Associate Professor of Church History and is ordained through the Moravian Church in North America.

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We have two phenomenal guests this week: Gabe Howard is host of the Psych Central Show and diagnosed with Bipolar I. Nate Crawford is founder of Here/Hear and is diagnosed with Bipolar II. They give us insight into what life is like with Bipolar Disorder, as well as the difficulties in navigating personal relationships with a mental illness diagnosis.

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William Paul Young (author of The Shack) joins us to talk about the upcoming movie adaptation (out this week!), his life story, and his newest book Lies We Believe About God.

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There's no guest, so you're stuck with just us! In this bonus episode, we talk about self-care: what it is, why it's important (and biblical), and some practical tips. We also share a suuuuuuuper inspirational Bible story at the end, so make sure to check that out.

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The intro/outro music on this episode is 'Alone' by Hello, Ground off of The Lineup, Vol. II: Electric Summer.

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Pastor Jason Micheli visits the show to talk about his journey with a rare type of bone cancer and his new book, Cancer Is Funny: Keeping Faith in Stage-Serious Chemo. We talk about suffering, joy, prayer, and what's helpful when you're going through something so serious and life-threatening.

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Our dear friend Sarah Fader (founder & CEO of Stigma Fighters) stops by to talk about the hashtag #ThisIsWhatAnxietyFeelsLike, which went from nothing to trending on Twitter in a matter of hours.

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The one and only Science Mike joins us to talk about brain injuries and neurotheology. (Oh, and we ask him about the effects of having Donald Trump as a president.)

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Some of the research regarding neurotheology we discuss can be found in Andrew Newberg's book How God Changes Your Brain.

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Aaron J. Smith reads his piece 'Why Do I Write About Mental Illness?'

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This week: Steve Austin accepts the role of co-host! We're also joined by Sarah Fader (founder and CEO of Stigma Fighters) and Sarah Schuster (editor of Mental Health on The Mighty) to talk about sharing your story and how that helps you and others, especially in the context of mental illness.

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Content warnings: in this episode we spend some time talking about suicidal ideation and there's brief mention of an article about being raped.

Links (Stuff We Talked About):-When You're In The Grey Area of Being Suicidal by Taylor Jones- Stephanie Gates: A Wide Mercy- Once Upon A Time I Was Raped on Stigma Fighters

References (Research We Talked About):-Marino, C., Child, B., & Krasinski, V. C. (2016). Sharing Experience Learned Firsthand (SELF): Self-Disclosure of Lived Experience in Mental Health Services and Supports. Psychiatric Rehabilitation Journal, 39(2), 154-160.-Pennebaker, J. W., & Seagal, J. D. (1999). Forming a Story: The Health Benefits of Narrative. Journal of Clinical Psychology, 55(10), 1243-1254.

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Steve Austin reading his piece 'What If the Prodigal Son Had Xanax?'

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Guest Scott McConnell (Executive Director of LifeWay Research) joins us to discuss the church's current views towards mental health and where we need to improve.

Show notes: Click here for the LifeWay study we're referencing throughout this episode.

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There's not really any show notes for this, it's your basic introduction to what CXMH will look like, what to expect, etc.

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