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Mark Henkel is the National Polygamy Advocate ™, presenting polygamy to the public for over 25 years to show why your own values compel you to repeal all Big Government Marriage Control laws that anti-Constitutionally ban UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. . In consideration for his participation in all media interviews, all such interviews were conducted under the irrevocable terms and conditions that Mark Henkel retained and retains full and complete rights to broadcast elsewhere any of such interviews on any media in which he participated. . http://NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/nationalpolygamyadvocate/support
National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares Part 5 of "Corrections" to the movie from 1956, titled, "The Ten Commandments." Summarizing the corrections shared in the previous 4 episodes of this podcast, Mark Henkel shares (in this Episode #320) the connections of these corrections to the start of the Christian Polygamy movement on July 4, 1994, which made it possible for the overall larger movement of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares Part 4 of "Corrections" to the 1956 movie, "The Ten Commandments." Adding yet more to the previous 3 episodes' "corrections," this Episode #319 reveals how Zipporah (mis-named as "Zephra") from the tribe of Midian did not descend from Ishmael (born unto Abraham of Hagar the handmaid of Sarah), but rather of Abraham's third wife, Keturah. While the movie failed to recognize this, the Bible shows that Abraham was a polygamist with three wives, the third of whom bore Midian.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares Part 3 of "Corrections" to movie, "The Ten Commandments" (1956). Building upon the previous 2 episodes' "corrections," this Episode #318 reveals how, not only was Moses' first wife not named "Zephra," but Moses actually married at least one more wife. That movie did not show that Moses was actually a polygamist, according to the Bible.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares Part 2 of "Corrections" to the 1956 movie, "The Ten Commandments." Adding to the previous episode's "correction," this Episode #317 reveals how the movie itself self-admits why we must remember "The Ten Commandments" Movie is NOT an accurately actual account of the Biblical story.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares Part 1 of "Corrections" to the 1956 movie, "The Ten Commandments." Christians and others watch that TV movie each year on Resurrection Sunday (aka "Easter"), even though the topic of the movie is actually NOT about the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Mark Henkel had watched this movie back on April 3, 1994, and recently again on March 31, 2024. This podcast Episode #316 was released on April 3, 2024 - exactly 30 years after he had watched the movie back on April 3, 1994. Starting this multi-part mini-series, Mark Henkel also teases that these corrections do specifically connect to the movement of Christian Polygamy which led to the overall movement of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel begins the coming 7th year of weekly episodes of this podcast. Since the actual 6th Year Anniversary of March 21, 2024, this episode formally begins this next year of episodes. Mark Henkel shares some sincerely personal information, references some of the ongoing subtopics that will continue, and invites listeners to share ideas that could be addressed in future episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel personally celebrates the milestone of 6 years of weekly episodes of this podcast. The podcast’s first episode premiered on March 21, 2018. Mark Henkel also celebrates the new 1 year anniversary since the podcast transformed from archiving his numerous past media interviews into being directly-spoken tools for history, teaching, lessons-learned, personal details, and more.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the 4th of the 6 Questions that the Supreme Court of the United States addressed in (this Part 5 of this multi-part mini-series regarding) Reynolds v. United States Decision of 1878. That "Question 4" to be determined by the Supreme Court in the case, asked, "4. Was the testimony of Amelia Jane Schofield, given at a former trial for the same offence, but under another indictment, improperly admitted in evidence?” This is the episode that asks all listeners to "Imagine a world where your wife or husband -against their will- could be compelled to testify against YOU for marrying YOU!"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the RECAP of Questions #1, #2, and #3 of the 6 Questions that the Supreme Court of the United States addressed in (this RECAP 123 of this multi-part mini-series regarding) Reynolds v. United States Decision of 1878. By having this consolidated understanding of the first half of the 6 Questions, listeners will be hereby more prepared to contemplate the next 3 Questions to be shared in future coming podcast episodes.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the 3nd of the 6 Questions that the Supreme Court of the United States addressed in (this Part 4 of this multi-part mini-series regarding) Reynolds v. United States Decision of 1878. That "Question 3" to be determined by the Supreme Court in the case, asked, “3. Were the challenges of certain other jurors by the government improperly sustained?” Chief Justice Waite's response continued yet again with the same clever nuanced word-game, applying a double-standard in hypocrisy that revealed the Court's bias.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the 2nd of the 6 Questions that the Supreme Court of the United States addressed in (this Part 3 of this multi-part mini-series regarding) Reynolds v. United States Decision of 1878. That "Question 2" to be determined by the Supreme Court in the case, asked, “2. Were the challenges of certain petit jurors by the accused improperly overruled?” Chief Justice Waite's response continued with the same clever nuanced word-game that he had already started with "Question 1" and that he would still take even further as he later addressed the remaining questions.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares how a TOILET made a truly Happy Valentines Day for a precious wife and his whole family. With storytelling style, Mark Henkel shares how he and his family will always remember this happy memory as the "Year of The Toilet" on Valentine's Day 2024. Listeners will also learn of a tactic that the government uses to bypass the Constitution that poses a "terror for polygamists." Without revealing anything that could be perceived as breaking any law against polygamy, this episode also reveals a deeper and more personal insight into Mark Henkel's deep love for a wife and for his whole family. Happy Valentines Day 2024, the "Year of the Toilet!"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the 1st of the 6 Questions that the Supreme Court of the United States addressed in (this Part 2 of this multi-part mini-series regarding) Reynolds v. United States Decision of 1878. That "Question 1" to be determined by the Supreme Court in the case, asked, "1. Was the indictment bad because found by a grand jury of less than sixteen persons?" Chief Justice Waite's response opened the overall decision with a clever nuanced game that he would take further as he later addressed the remaining questions.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel provides the INTRO (as Part 1) to new multi-part mini-series of the Reynolds v. United States Decision by the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) in 1878. In previous episodes, Mark Henkel has shared Step 1, Step 2, and "The INTERIM" of the originating 4 steps of the "Government Subterfuge of Anti-Polygamy Laws." For this Step 3, "SCOTUS Decision: Reynolds v. United States of 1878," Mark Henkel will share all of Step 3 as a multi-part mini-series of several podcast episodes. In this Part 1 / INTRO episode here, Mark Henkel shares the specific "6 questions" that the 1878 SCOTUS was asked to address in the case. To be more fully prepared for this mini-series, listeners will want to have first listened to Episode #306 (the last previous one) for the RECAP.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares a RECAP of recent past episodes of the larger mini-series, "Government Subterfuge of Anti-Polygamy Laws." He refers to Episodes #297, 298 (Step 1), 299 (Step 2), and 301 (The INTERIM). Mark Henkel explains that sharing Step 3 will require more comprehensive information. He explains that he will thus create a multi-part mini-series (within this larger mini-series) for detailing Step 3, to be identified as "SCOTUS Decision: Reynold v. United States of 1878." That coming mini-series will be concluded with a "WRAP-UP" episode before then sharing Step 4. Listeners will find this episode as a helpful resource for finding the previous information in this larger series of the originating 4 Steps of the "Government Subterfuge of Anti-Polygamy Laws."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel explains why the two terms, "poly-monogamy" and "democracy," are similar in their juxtapositions of meanings - when they are right to use and when they are not. Mark Henkel teaches how America is based on "democracy" in DESCRIPTION but is not "A democracy" in APPLICATION. Mark Henkel then shows how the same contrast applies to "poly-monogamy" in regard to polygamy. Although brief, this episode offers much deeper insight and information than many listeners might have otherwise expected.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel explains why the implosion of the family on the "Sister Wives" TV show was NOT a "failure of polygamy." Despite anti-polygamists trying to propagandize that false notion, Mark Henkel not only shows that calling it a "failure of polygamy" is a lie, but he succinctly and directly shows why. Quoting himself from what he said on Polygamy Day ® 23, Mark Henkel lists out the three key events that provided foresight of the family's inevitable falling apart. Pro-polygamists will find this episode as a useful resource and important tool for proving this point and showing what kind of failure it actually and only proves. Anti-polygamists, if they allow themselves, will surely be educated with a deeper understanding.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares his personal stories, showing how difficult and tragic the Year 2023 had been for his family. Mark Henkel both finds and inspires hope as he welcomes the coming Year 2024 and wishes all a Happy New Year. Connecting this Episode #303 of January 3, 2024, to the episodes of the previous year 2023, listeners may learn and understand what Mark Henkel was personally going through at the times when various episodes of this podcast were created and posted. Some who listen to this episode might find it both inspiring ad well as insightful about the National Polygamy Advocate, himself.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares a new celebration/wrap-up of the 22 books he read over the previous year - the books that the National Polygamy Advocate read in 2023. When anti-polygamists try to use a commonly-tried smear-tactic that attempts to suggest that pro-polygamists – or Mark Henkel, himself - are supposedly “uninformed, uneducated, or just downright stupid,” this Episode #302 demonstrates for all listeners (including such anti-polygamists) that such a smear-tactic is now evidentiarily, clearly, and provably false.“But wait! There’s more!” How so? Activists, supporters, and all listeners will certainly both find that answer and find a benefit by listening through to the end of this Episode #302 of December 27, 2023.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the INTERIM, defined as the period between The Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act of 1862 and the Supreme Court Decision of Reynolds v. United States of 1878. This episode begins with the history of US government through that period and then concludes with the rise of the new religion in the 1800s of what is commonly known as "the Mormons." Understanding this INTERIM provides listeners with the essential context of the period: from when the first anti-polygamy law was passed to when the Supreme Court later first affirmed it, all via the government subterfuge. Many listeners are apt to find this episode more enjoyably educational about the relevant history than they might have otherwise expected.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel celebrates this 300th weekly episode of the National Polygamy Advocate ™ PODCAST. Mark Henkel explains how, starting from March 21, 2018, the podcast initially began as an archive for history of the past media interviews he has given for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Since previously celebrating the 5th Year Anniversary earlier in March 2023, Mark Henkel explains how the podcast then started airing weekly episodes in which he shares and speaks directly about related UCAP polygamy issues. Listeners will enjoy both this episode and celebrating this historic new milestone too.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the "STEP 2" of the 4 Steps of the Government Subterfuge that created Anti-Polygamy Laws in the United States in the 1800s. Continuing the educational sharing from the previous two episodes, this Episode #299 teaches about the very first anti-polygamy law, the “Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act of 1862.” Activists, supporters, listeners, and even anti-polygamy apologists will be apt to want to listen (and re-listen) to this episode (and mini-series of episodes) more than once.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the "STEP 1" of the Government Subterfuge that created Anti-Polygamy Laws in the 1800s. Back in the previous episode (Episode #297), Mark Henkel had introduced the 4 origins -the "4 Steps"- that established the anti-polygamy laws in the United States. For this current episode here (Episode #298), Mark Henkel provides the background and details of that first step. Mark Henkel uncovers that "Step 1" of the longer-term strategic process by which the US Federal Government cleverly, deceptively, and knowingly bypassed the Constitution to bring about the tyranny of such otherwise anti-Constitutional laws. First-time listeners might find it helpful to first listen to the previous Episode #297 as a more generic background and preparatory summary preceding this episode here. Indeed, this Episode #298 here is so chock full of important, relevant political history of the era (even in addition to the primary matter of anti-polygamy laws) that many listeners might find themselves learning a number of surprising facts which they might likely have never been taught before. Supporters will learn a three-word phrase to never forget how the government achieved this exposed subterfuge. Activists, supporters, listeners, and even anti-polygamy apologists will be apt to find this episode to be genuinely significant, credible, and informative enough to which most people will want to listen (and re-listen) more than once.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares how the US' anti-polygamy laws were NEVER pro-woman. Mark Henkel runs through a concise history-timeline from the original Republican Party presidents, to the Democrat vs. Whig Party presidents, to the Democrat vs NEW Republican Party presidents. Mark Henkel details the first party plank, passed laws, and Supreme Court decisions that criminalized UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, in the United States. Mark Henkel pulls all these facts of history together that combine to prove the startling yet inescapable conclusion of this podcast episode's title. Listeners may find this Episode #297 as an important resource for refuting a commonly used false claim made by anti-polygamists.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares a number of the assertions that anti-polygamists use against defenders of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. By listing out some of these notions in this brief Episode #296, Mark Henkel opens up topics for future episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares and re-summarizes the HOW & WHO questions in this sub-series on persuading anti-polygamists. The previous episode (Episodes #294 of November 1, 2023) presented Part 1. The past 10 episodes before that (Episodes #284 - #293, from August 23 - October 25, 2023) may be understood as being divided into 2 parts. Part 1 comprise the first 4 episodes of the ten; and, Part 2 comprises the final 6 episodes of the ten. For Part 2 here, in this Episode #295, Mark Henkel shows how the fifth episode provides the "HOW" and the sixth through tenth episodes provide the "WHO" in this approach to persuading anti-polygamists to allow UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Listeners will additionally benefit from listening (or listening again) to the previous 11 episodes, whether for deeper context or for a quick refresher of the lessons presented.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares and re-summarizes the WHAT & WHY questions in this sub-series on persuading anti-polygamists. The previous 10 episodes (Episodes #284 - #293, from August 23 - October 25, 2023) may be divided into 2 parts. The first 4 episodes of the ten comprise Part 1; and, the final 6 episodes of the ten comprise Part 2. For Part 1, in this Episode #294, Mark Henkel shows how the first 3 episodes provide the "WHAT" and the fourth episode provides the "WHY" in this approach to persuading anti-polygamists to allow UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Listeners will additionally benefit from listening (or re-listening) to the previous 10 episodes, whether for deeper context or for a quick refresher of the lessons presented.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel answers the question, "Who will this even persuade? The Libertarians.” This Episode #293 shows how to help Libertarians self-persuade themselves to allow UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel shares how to help such Libertarians maintain their Cognitive Consistency by recognizing that their supporting UCAP will be also absolutely aligned with their own “more important, higher-level contextual beliefs.” Mark Henkel shows how Libertarians tend to believe 2, if not 3, of the Liberals’ (listed) beliefs, to also believe 2, if not 3, of the Conservatives’ (listed) beliefs, and to oppose “victimless crimes” of “Potheads & Prostitutes.” Listeners will certainly obtain value from listening (or re-listening) to the previous 9 episodes, whether for deeper context or for a quick refresher of the lessons presented.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel answers the question, "Who will this even persuade? The Christians.” This Episode #292 shows how to help Christians self-persuade themselves to allow UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Without going into the voluminously numerous Bible-citations, Mark Henkel instead shares how to help such Christians maintain their Cognitive Consistency by recognizing that their supporting UCAP will be also absolutely aligned with their own “more important, higher-level contextual beliefs” as well as with their even higher level values as Christians. This episode shares how and when to respond to various Christians with the following three questions. "Are you calling Jesus, even God the Father, as perverts?" “You would not want to blaspheme the Holy Ghost, would you?” “You would not want to be an idolator, would you?” Listeners will additionally benefit from listening (or re-listening) to the previous 8 episodes, whether for deeper context or for a quick refresher of the lessons presented.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel answers the question, "Who will this even persuade? The Conservatives.” This Episode #291 shows how to help political “Conservatives” self-persuade themselves to allow UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel shares how to help such Conservatives maintain their Cognitive Consistency by recognizing that their supporting UCAP will be also absolutely aligned with their own “more important, higher-level contextual beliefs.” Listeners will additionally benefit from listening (or re-listening) to the previous 7 episodes, whether for deeper context or for a quick refresher of the lessons presented.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel answers the question, "Who will this even persuade? The Liberals.” This Episode #290 shows how to help political “Liberals” self-persuade themselves to allow UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel shares how to help such Liberals maintain their Cognitive Consistency by recognizing that their supporting UCAP will be also absolutely aligned with their own “more important, higher-level contextual beliefs.” Listeners will additionally benefit from listening (or re-listening) to the previous 6 episodes, whether for deeper context or for a quick refresher of the lessons presented.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel answers the "WHO?"question about persuading anti-polygamists and/or "One Man One Woman" (OMOW) supporters to stop disallowing UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Namely, "Who will this even persuade?" Relying upon the previous 5 podcast episodes, this Episode #289 begins the answer to the question - as a prelude to the next coming episodes that will each address specific groups of anti-polygamists or others who are not yet supporters of UCAP polygamy. Listeners will additionally find value in listening (or re-listening) to the previous 5 episodes, whether for greater context or for a simple refresher of the lessons shared.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel answers the "HOW?" question about persuading anti-polygamists and/or "One Man One Woman" (OMOW) supporters to allow UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. This directly follows the previous podcast Episode which answered the question, "Why should I even care?" In this subsequent episode, Mark Henkel shares and shows that, before we ask "Who will this even persuade?" we must first know the answer to the question, "How do we persuade them?" Listeners will likely also benefit from listening (or re-listening) to the previous four episodes, either for greater context or for a simple refresher of the lessons shared.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel summarizes "The Destructive Perils of One Man One Woman.” Anti-polygamists often ask the question, "Why should I even care?" Mark Henkel provides activists and supporters with the meaningful, powerful, and persuasive answer. Sourced from the previous three podcast episodes of "The Story of 10 Men & 10 Women," "Marital Marxism," and "The Era of Dumbed Down Males," Mark Henkel shares how activists and supporters can learn to show others why such others do care if they do care about women, men, and society. Listeners seeking to learn how to share this meaningful answer will likely want to refresh their memories and want to listen to this episode and the previous three podcast episodes more than once.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the details of our current "Era of Dumbed Down Males." This episode continues the theme from the two previous podcast episodes about the "10 Man & 10 Women" story and “Marital Marxism.” From abandoned single moms to “playas” to “baby daddies,” from jokes about marriage to quoting Oscar Wilde, addressing terms from “Toxic Masculinity” to “Beta Males,” and more, Mark Henkel shows how these kinds of things over the last century and a half has led to men becoming so afraid of marriage, giving us this current era. Mark Henkel shows how the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution can actually help to incentivize men to want to become better men for the women to choose, as he calls for us to end our “Era of Dumbed Down Males.”
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares why One Man One Woman (OMOW) is what he calls, “Marital Marxism.” Mark Henkel explains the ideology of Karl Marx, the 19th century writer who wrote “The Communist Manifesto.” Mark Henkel explains that Marxism is the ideology of re-distribution, the foundation of socialism and communism. Building on the previous Episode #284 of August 23, 2023, with his “Story of the 10 Men and 10 Women,” Mark Henkel shows in this Episode #285 of August 30, 2023, how OMOW is a re-distribution of the better women to the jerk-men, disincentivizing all men from even trying to become better men for the women to choose.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares his famous sound-bite story of "The 10 Men and 10 Women."This story exposes the unwitting hypocrisy of anti-polygamists who oppose UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, while saying they support Women’s Choice.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares how August 19 became the trademark-protected Polygamy Day ®. Mark Henkel tells the story of how the first "Polygamy Day" began in 2001, how the Polygamy Day, Inc. corporation was established in 2002, and how the trademark was registered in 2007. Mark Henkel details how the fact of the first celebration occurring in 2001 made it easy to identify it as "Polygamy Day 1" and to label each subsequent year by the last number of the respective year. For example, the celebration in 2023 is "Polygamy Day 23." Mark Henkel tells how Polygamy Day ® originated among activist members of the TruthBearer.org organization and transformed into an expansion to include any form of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, to also celebrate. While providing the history of Polygamy Day ®, this Episode #283 also quietly demonstrates the subtle leadership that went into making this very special annual celebration both possible and protected. Listeners are asked, "What will you do to celebrate the NEXT Polygamy Day ®?"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares and declares, "What Is Unfair," as a response to the repeated culturally indoctrinated assertion that mistakenly suggests a falsehood that supposedly "polygamy is unfair." Mark Henkel uses an entertaining storytelling dialog style to show how the opposite is true, revealing really, "What Is Unfair." Activists and supporters will want to use/share the link for this podcast episode when encountering this false assertion made by anyone else not yet supportive of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel celebrates 100 hours of audio-content posted to this podcast over the last five-plus years. Mark Henkel explains how he uses this episode as a citable-resource for activists and supporters to use when answering any questions asked by others about this podcast. He also cites the average time-lengths of episodes and related statistics. Although this Episode #281 here is a shorter one, Mark Henkel shares how other episodes have been almost 3 hours long. Supportive listeners and general researchers are likely to enjoy learning about this quick information about the podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel, finishing a series of the previous 3 episodes, shares what he had to learn & grow, SO FAR, through the beginning of the 2020s for the modern polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults. Mark Henkel tells of the pandemic he calls “Covid1984” and both shares & honors two close, helpful, and dear polygamous friends who had passed away. Mark Henkel explains how he became a serous reader of non-fiction books (to self-determine how he qualitatively wants to write his own books) and shares how he expanded his topics of keynote speeches even beyond UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, to increase his public speaking skills for the movement. After noting the change in direction of this podcast to involve his speaking directly to listeners, Mark Henkel observes that, with this Episode #280, this podcast has just crossed the milestone of over 100 hours of audio-content. Happily acknowledging how much he has clearly had to learn & grow over the decades, Mark Henkel concludes the 4-episode mini-series, sharing his enthusiasm and anticipation for whatever else he is going learn & grow for the rest of the 2020s ahead.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel, continuing a series of the previous two podcast episodes, shares what he had to learn and grow throughout the 2010s decade for the modern polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults. Mark Henkel tells of how he had to learn and grow to become a professional-level Public Speaker, a privacy-protector for supporters, a manager of the problematic tech giant sites, a podcast-uploader, and a person ever-keeping hope under disappointment. In this longer, comprehensive Episode #279, Mark Henkel shares what he did to learn and grow his public skills that even led to his being asked to professionally present a keynote about polygamy at Yale, the challenges of the "tech giants" interfering in getting a messages seen and heard on the internet, and the Supreme Court cases that should have otherwise been helpful for polygamy rights for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Listeners will genuinely discover much more in this episode than they might otherwise anticipate. As Mark Henkel keeps repeating in this brief series, for the dedicated work of fighting for our freedom, there is much he had to learn and grow.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel, continuing a new series of new podcast episodes, shares what he personally had to learn and to grow throughout the years of the 2000s decade for the modern polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults. With the Standard of Love-not-Force bringing healing and growth, the decade of the 2000s started with much hope. Mark Henkel shares his history-storytelling about Y2K, Web 2.0, Polygamy Day ®, being on Pat Robertson's "700 Club" TV program, and how the tech giants of Google, Yahoo, and Facebook brought a more disappointing end to that decade. Mark Henkel lists his role throughout the 2000s, including being a Trademark mini-expert, a Webhosting Server owner, a Writer and Rhetorician, a Media Talking Head, a Legal "expert" (while not an attorney), and able to grow beyond serving Christian Polygamy to also becoming the overall National Polygamy Advocate. From all this, Mark Henkel still had more to learn and grow in the next decades to come.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel, starting a new series of new podcast episodes, shares what he personally had to learn and to grow throughout the years of the modern polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults. In this Episode #277, the first installment in the series, Mark Henkel shares what he to learn and grow in the decade of the 1990s. Finding that the idea of “prohibiting polygamy” is nowhere in the Bible and finding that the words, “marriage” and “polygamy” are nowhere in the US Constitution, Mark Henkel understood that he had to study both the Bible and the Constitution intensely in order to present and help teach others to present the issue to the public. Mark Henkel lists his role throughout the 1990s, including being and becoming an intense student, a newspaper publisher, a home-church pastor, a webmaster, a teacher, and a leader on the national -even international- stage. And all that was just the beginning.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares the reasons why Polyamory is Not Polygamy. Adding to the list of word-definitions he has shared in recent episodes of this podcast, Mark Henkel adds this new word, “Polyamory,” to that list. Mark Henkel refers to word etymologies, shows what Polyamory is, how it is different from Polygamy, and ends with a memorable soundbite metaphor to make it easy to always remember the difference between Polyamory and Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares a number of milestones - all occurring on June 26th - throughout the history of the modern movement of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, which was made possible first by the beginning of Christian Polygamy. Mark Henkel reveals his own personal story of how everything all began for him on June 26, 1993, and how that date both changed his life and confirmed his life. Listeners will find this Episode both uniquely informative and inspiringly insightful for acknowledging and celebrating the 30 years from June 26, 1993, through June 26, 2023.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares and explains the difference between HONEST POLYGAMY vs DISHONEST BIGAMY. Mark Henkel demonstrates how the Standard of Love-Not-Force and the self-identification of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, delineate the valid definition of HONEST POLYGAMY. Mark Henkel then shares how an example from a movie in 1996, titled, “Frequent Flier,” provides a perfect example of the deception and cruelty of DISHONEST BIGAMY. Mark Henkel then shows how DISHONEST BIGAMY could reasonably be treated as either a crime or as a tort. This episode provides the final difference between the meanings of the words POLYGAMY and BIGAMY, as demonstrated from the difference between HONEST POLYGAMY vs DISHONEST BIGAMY.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares how the meaning of the word BIGAMY is different from the word POLYGAMY. He corrects the common misunderstanding that suggests the following untrue mis-definitions: "Bigamy is marrying two wives and polygamy is marrying more than two wives." Citing the specific BIGAMY statute from his own State of Maine, Mark Henkel guides the listener through the ramifications of the law. He also reveals and explains how the “purports clause” even criminalizes free speech for honest polygamists in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Listeners should find that this episode not only continues forward from the recent episodes of providing education regarding specific terminology, but it also does so in a fun, entertaining, and yet fully serious presentation style.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares how the Polygamy Rights "Victory Lap" was robbed by Covid1984. In this Episode #272, Mark Henkel shares a historic milestone that occurred in bigamy law. Using his storytelling style, Mark Henkel tells of what he calls "Covid1984," teaches how federal government (under both Presidents Trump and Biden) failed its duty under Article 4 Section 4 of the US Constitution (which Mark Henkel quotes), references what he calls the "government murder" of George Floyd, and explains why he spells the word "PolicE" in way that listeners will not soon forget. (Yes, he makes it clear that he certainly supports police for protecting innocents from real crime.) Mark Henkel explains why the new bigamy legal milestone is so important while also quoting the Utah State Constitution. Mark Henkel shows how these events robbed the polygamy rights movement for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, from being able to have a "media victory lap" to further fight for freedom. From such storytelling of these events, listeners will find this episode to be loaded with information and education.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel shares why he is not the "National POLYGYNY Advocate." In this Episode #271, Mark Henkel teaches the meanings of the words, Polygamy, Polyandry, and Polygyny. After that, he shares the three reasons why he is NOT the "National POLYGYNY Advocate." Listeners will find this episode as both educational and fun.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel - who created the word, "Polygadolatry," to define a a serious problem - shares why he chose to spell it with the letter "A" after the letter "G," instead of using the letter "I." With humorous background of ongoing debates of how to pronounce ".GIF" and "polygyny," Mark Henkel humorously shares the final, funny, and fun reason why "Polygadolatry" is spelled that way. Regardless of polygamy advocacy, anyone anywhere who has ever participated in either of those other debates will likely also find this podcast Episode #270 to be educational as well as both, funny and fun.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel teaches against the perils of "Polygadolatry" as he shares the history of the early polygamy movement from the 1990s. In the previous episode of this podcast, Mark Henkel provided three primary reasons why he is the National Polygamy Advocate, not the National Polygamist. As a follow up, here, Mark Henkel shares the 4th reason, one which applies to all three of the previous reasons. Mark Henkel shares how Polygadolatry appeared as a problematic phenomenon in the 1990s with a couple criminal cult leaders that hurt wives as well as foolish husbands, devastated families, and threatened to destroy the young movement for all genuinely normal pro-polygamists. Mark Henkel passionately teaches “Polygadolatry is wrong on every level,” that “we are all equals as human beings,” and that no "practicing polygamist" should ever be viewed as “superior” to any non-practicing pro-polygamy families or supporters. For those seeking to get inside-information and direct education about the early years of the Christian Polygamy movement and the overall larger movement of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, this Episode #269 is another important “must hear.”
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel directly shares why the meaning of “National Polygamy ADVOCATE” ™ does NOT mean “National POLYGAMIST. Mark Henkel provides three primary reasons, empowering every genuine supporter seeking to successfully persuade others to allow freedom for families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. He shows how this movement is NOT a “cult of personality,” that it is a movement of rhetoric & principles, and that any sincere supporter of these UCAP rhetoric and principles is indeed qualified to advocate for polygamy. He concludes that the brand name, “National Polygamy Advocate,” has always been about setting an example for all such supporters. Mark Henkel wraps this episode up with a surprising addition: teasing a prelude for the next coming Episode (#269) in this podcast. This Episode #268 here is a “must hear” for any UCAP polygamy supporter seeking to persuade others.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel directly shares the answer to the question, “Why is He the National Polygamy Advocate ™? Was he elected to the role? What does the name even mean? Mark Henkel answers the question as he explains the past dangers for advocating polygamy back in the 1990s and 2020s, the need to correct and inform what he identifies as the “Manufactured News Corporations,” how no other non-Mormon, normal, non-criminal proponent was willing to step up for Christian Polygamy and the larger overall movement of UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), and how he lives by a principle he labels as “Leadership Leads.” This podcast Episode #267 succinctly informs listeners with the specific answer to the title question.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel directly shares his personal story, on the 30th Anniversary, of how the Waco Massacre had transformed him into an Iconoclast, on April 19, 1993. This is the true story of what Mark Henkel observed and witnessed of the events from the “news purports” regarding the Branch Davidians when the US government willingly made up a lie in order to self-justify deliberately mass murdering almost 80 US citizens, including women, children, and babies. Mark Henkel explains how “Waco was my ‘Kent State;’" and, he explains how he had come to know of that earlier "Kent State" event from 1970. Inthis episode, Mark Henkel references songs by Neil Young and Lynyrd Skynyrd (and even sings brief lyrics!) as he makes relevant side commentary about Neil Young’s rejection of freedom and free speech in 2022. From this truly unique story, listeners will gain a truly deep understanding of how and why Mark Henkel became an Iconoclast, and how that explains how and why he came to be the National Polygamy Advocate… and more.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel asks and answers the question, “Is the National Polygamy Advocate a TOOL?” With chuckling yet confident self-deprecating humor, he even humorously asks, “Am I a TOOL?” With this Episode #265, Mark Henkel provides a concise history of the movement of both Christian Polygamy and the larger overall movement of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. He more specifically details how resources were developed to help people further spread the word of the argumentations and of the movements. And Mark Henkel concludes the episode with both a chuckle and an encouragement to all friends, supporters, listeners, and sharers.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel directly shares how this podcast had been improved from its beginning and early development. The previous two episodes respectively shared how this podcast first BEGAN on March 21, 2018, and was further DEVELOPED by June 26, 2018. In this Episode #264, Mark Henkel explains the third special software had to be obtained, how much time was and is involved in producing each episode, why the improvements caused numerous episodes over the previous year (in 2022) to be divided into shorter parts, and more. The combination of the previous two episodes (#262 and #263) and this episode here (#264) answers the questions of how this podcast was BEGUN, further DEVELOPED, and subsequently IMPROVED.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel directly shares how this podcast developed after it had begun on March 21, 2018. The previous episode shared how the podcast BEGAN; this episode shares how it DEVELOPED after that beginning. In this Episode #263, Mark Henkel explains what happened after the first three episodes, what kind of new software had to be obtained, how the bumpers were added to each episode, how the podcast was formally announced to the public on June 26, 2018, and more. In next week's Episode #264, Mark Henkel continues the story, sharing the technical aspects of how the podcast proceeded from that original development.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel, in a storytelling manner. directly shares how this podcast began. As this Episode #262 begins the 6th year of the National Polygamy Advocate ™ Podcast, Mark Henkel explains what led up to the decision to start podcasting. He also reveals the initial difficulties that had to be overcome in order to produce and post the very first Episode #1 on March 21, 2018. In next week's Episode #263, Mark Henkel continues the story of how the podcast proceeded from that auspicious beginning.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel personally celebrates the milestone of 261 weekly episodes of this podcast - Part 2. In this Part 2, Mark Henkel continues to talk directly to the listeners. Celebrating that so many of his past media interviews have now been archived for history, Mark Henkel offers an extensive list of specific possibilities for future podcast episode topics. Also, once again, Mark Henkel invites listeners to let him know what topics they would like to hear him speak about. As next week's episode will begin the 6th year of new podcast episodes, this episode is the final part of this 2-part celebration.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel personally celebrates the milestone of 260 weekly episodes of this podcast - Part 1. In this Part 1, Mark Henkel talks directly to the listeners. Celebrating that so many of his past media interviews have now been archived for history, Mark Henkel perceives and ponders that perhaps this is now the time to add some different topical content and archiving, all relating to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel thanks supporters and listeners, invites listeners to send in AUDIO Messages, and emphasizes, "I would love to hear what YOU think, what YOU would like for me to do with upcoming podcast episodes." Mark Henkel also assures listeners that, in the upcoming Part 2 of this celebration (in the next podcast episode), he will "list out more specific and various possibilities for future podcast episode topics."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Kirsten Fenswick of The Incubator of FOX TV Studios, on August 29, 2007 - Part 4 The producer was looking for polygamous families to produce a documentary. Prior to the interview, Mark Henkel had informed the producer that past situations with FOX had caused families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, to distrust it as a "Manufactured News Corporation." The producer had started the interview off by making a couple mistakes right away - including starting it by making a "Circus Act Request" ("C.A.R.") that causes further problems regarding UCAP families' distrust of FOX (as being no different than other manufactured news corporations). Mark Henkel tried to offer her explanatory corrections to help her to move beyond false stereotypes. Mark Henkel detailed, "The media only wants to talk about, and put circus acts of actual practicing families on display, only so that people can go 'Ooh' and 'Ahh.' And at the end of the day, they say, "Oh they're weird and I'm not going to support them!" rather than have the rhetorical debate..." Mark Henkel pleaded: "We need the ability and the allowance to make our case to the public without the circus act because the circus act never works, and always allows the media in control of the circus act display to manipulate it according to its own designs, make their fat paychecks, and leave the families to suffer when it's done." The producer did not understand that Mark Henkel was explaining the temporary challenge that she and he would have to overcome and resolve so that they could go further in the project." Instead, the producer quickly seemed irritated and brought the discussion to a premature close. Mark Henkel simply re-iterated his actual point, "I'm telling you where we're coming from." This is the final Part of this particular interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Kirsten Fenswick of The Incubator of FOX TV Studios, on August 29, 2007 - Part 3. The producer was looking for polygamous families to produce a documentary. Prior to the interview, Mark Henkel had informed the producer that past situations with FOX had caused families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, to distrust it as a "Manufactured News Corporation." As she made what Mark Henkel identified as a "Circus Act Request" ("C.A.R."), the producer then defaulted to Mormon Polygamy. Again, Mark Henkel corrected her to move beyond stereotype. Finally, Mark Henkel Henkel explained the problem, “Putting a family on display, like a creature under glass or behind a zoo cage, is nothing more than a 'Circus Act' to make people go 'Oo and Ah!' – and at the end of the day, never changes political opinion for us.”The final, remaining part of this interview will be aired in the next coming episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Kirsten Fenswick of The Incubator of FOX TV Studios, on August 29, 2007 - Part 2. The producer was looking for polygamous families to produce a documentary. Prior to the interview, Mark Henkel had educated the producer that past experiences with FOX had caused families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, to distrust it as a "Manufactured News Corporation." As she made what Mark Henkel would call her "Circus Act Request" ("C.A.R."), the producer said that she was hoping to connect with some small "community of polygamists." She did, though, clarify that she was not looking for people from Colorado City or the specific members of the FLDS" (i.e., Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints) who live there. Even though she seemed possibly positive, the producer's use of the false stereotype term of "community of polygamists" alarmed Mark Henkel's attention, particularly as this was coming from the "un-trusted" FOX TV Studios. The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Kirsten Fenswick of The Incubator of FOX TV Studios, on August 29, 2007 - Part 1. The producer was looking for polygamous families to produce a documentary. For over a week prior to actually being able to reach the producer, Mark Henkel had called the producer to no avail. In her initial media request, she explained that "The Incubator" is where her company prepares ideas (and more) at FOX TV Studios for documentaries, etc. In email correspondence prior to reaching her on the phone, Mark Henkel forewarned her how FOX had previously not been positive, honest, or trustworthy and that she would have to overcome some resulting distrust that families in UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) have toward that media corporation. In this Part 1, the producer rationalized that she could not speak for what others at FOX have done, yet she hoped to "open a dialog." Right off the bat, she made it clear that she was making what Mark Henkel had always labeled as a "Circus Act Request" ("C.A.R."). She directly stated, "What we want to do is a documentary or series with preferably a small community of polygamists." The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 16, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this last and final Part 16 segment, Mark Henkel ended his point about letting UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, to be able to motivate "jerk-men" to be better men for the women to choose. Mark Henkel concluded, "You'll hear the argument, 'Then all the jerk-men are going to go without.' Hey! It's called, American Free Market. Let them grow up and then they'll have a reason to grow up, and then you end up with equilibrium anyway." This episode is the final part of this interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 15, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 15 segment, Mark Henkel used his renowned “mathematics example” – that you (as any math student) first learn numbers, then you learn to add, then to multiply and divide, then algebra, then you learn on up to geometry up to trigonometry up to calculus. Mark Henkel compared the same process to learning husband skills, that any man who would be a polygamist would have to learn more, to grow up, and to genuinely care for the women. Mark Henkel concluded, “Those who are demanding ‘one man, one woman’ (OMOW), it’s like those who only know how to multiply and divide are trying to criminalize those who are capable of calculus.” The remaining final part of this interview will be aired in the next coming episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 14, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 14 segment, Mark Henkel points out. The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 13, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 13 segment, Mark Henkel points out the insanity of having society littered with abandoned single moms due to "marriage-phobic males and playa baby-daddies" and yet making it a crime for polygamous men who adamantly want the responsibility of marriage. Mark Henkel uses his renowned "10 men and 10 women" soundbite to demonstrate two things: (1) OMOW, One Man One Woman, oppresses and deprives women the choice of better men, and (2) allowing women the free choice of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, incentivizes lesser men to grow up and to start becoming better men for the women to choose. Mark Henkel ends this Part 13 with explaining why he identifies OMOW as "Marital Socialism" or "Marital Marxism," as being the Marxist cry of, "One for each so that each may have one! The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 12, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 12 segment, Mark Henkel returned to make sure that one crucially important point was understood about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Marki Henkel explained that any man who wants to be a polygamist can only successfully do so as a caring, nurturing husband. After making the writer chuckle with the good logic of his argument, Mark Henkel concluded, "Dr. Joyce Brothers said in ’94 [Dec. 22, 1994], ‘I would rather be the third wife of a good man than the only wife of a jerk.’" The writer positively affirmed, “No, that’s just good sense right there.” The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 11, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 11 segment, the writer re-phrased a re-iteration of her main question, "Why do you think that gay marriage is so much easier for people to accept than polygamy?" Henkel pulled no punches, saying, “The media.” Mark Henkel detailed how the media has taken control for the previous 30 years. "You have to use the language that they allow you, or they won't let you get published or they won't let you get heard. ...You have to use [the term] 'traditional marriage' to relate to 'one man, one woman' as opposed to [the term] 'marriage controllers.' So there is an Orwellian doublethink of language control in the media." Mark Henkel concluded that the media has "overwhelmingly pushed it and pushed it and pushed that agenda for the last 30 years to the point that there are now a generation of people that have grown up being promoted it and fully accepting it." Listeners will note that this comment about media pushing ideology and controlling language was stated in 2009, before the following decade of the next "new thing" called "social media" controlling what people are allowed to even see or hear under the misnomer of “censorship for protecting from misinformation.” The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 10, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 10 segment, the Mark Henkel provided insights into how difficult it is for Christians to face the reality that the "one man, one woman" (OMOW) doctrine is simply not in the Bible. Mark Henkel also explained how the internet (to that point in history, before social media took over) had made it possible for the other Christians to see that they are not alone in seeing this, and that that is how the movement was able to grow with its different forms. He concluded, "You have to define polygamy based on the paradigm, of who's doing it, and how they're doing it, and why they're doing it, and not based on stereotypical misinformation." The writer responded by exclaiming, "Yeah!" The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 9, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 9 segment, the writer asked who Mark Henkel thought was the strongest opposition to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and their goal of freedom. He began his reply by explaining how it takes liberal arguments to persuade liberals and conservative arguments to persuade conservatives - especially Christian conservatives. Citing a quote from George Orwell's book, "1984,” Mark Henkel empathetically understood the psychological challenge for Christians when they are faced with this startling dilemma of having to realize that all the great Christians they knew in their life were wrong about polygamy and the Catholic-invented OMOW (one man, one woman) doctrine. Using the metaphor from the book by Hans Christian Andersen, Mark Henkel concluded his point, especially about OMOW doctrine, "The Emperor has no clothes. It is not in the Bible." The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 8, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 8 segment, Mark Henkel observed that the battle between supporters of “one man, one woman” (OMOW) and same sex marriage (SSM) “is only going to get worse and worse.” Noting that neither side will stop or give up, Mark Henkel stated that that those who call themselves “conservatives” would eventually have to realize that they are being marriage controllers “for big government” and that that would bring them to embrace “The Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution.” Mark Henkel also detailed how conservatives embracing the win-win solution would be similar to the historic statement that equally applies: “Only Nixon could go to China.” Mark Henkel noted that the win-win solution would bring “equality for all” to those who call themselves “liberals” too – noting that everyone would win; everyone would have freedom. Three times in three different ways, Mark Henkel said, “Americans will therefore thank polygamists for ending the marriage debate” with this win-win solution. The writer positively affirmed, “Ye-e-sss, Definitely!” The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 7, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 7 segment, the writer asked Mark Henkel if his previous replies meant that he also supported polyandry (one woman, many husbands). Mark Henkel first explained that polyandry is not supported Biblically. Using his renowned "seed and garden" soundbite analogy, Mark Henkel then explained how, anthropologically (due to the natures of most men and women, and to what he called "libido match"), most people do not make the choice of polyandry. Mark Henkel wrapped up his point by concluding what he called is "really the heart of the matter: It doesn't matter whether I support what somebody else chooses or imagines. When government is limited, everybody has freedom." The writer enthusiastically exclaimed, “Well, that makes a lot of sense!” The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 6, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 6 segment, the writer asked, “So you WOULD be in favor of same sex marriage?” Mark Henkel explained that they simply have a right to an imagination and to contract with whomever they choose as consenting adults. Providing further clarity, Mark Henkel detailed how it does not matter whether one personally or religiously supports or does not support same sex marriage when government has no authority to license, define, or control the contractual arrangements of consenting adults anyway. The writer enthusiastically exclaimed, “Very interesting!” The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 5, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 5 segment, the writer asked whether the fight for rights for unrelated consenting adult polygamy was either a religious issue or a civil rights issue. Mark Henkel showed how it is both and matters to both. After providing many powerful soundbites on the issue, Mark Henkel concluded, “Government has no business controlling religious doctrines OR the contractual arrangements of consenting adults.” The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 4, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 4 segment, Mark Henkel answered the question of the difference between Muslim Polygamy and Christian Polygamy. In doing so, Mark Henkel detailed the standard of “love-not-force.” The writer exclaimed, “That’s a very good point,” and she later positively laughed with Mark Henkel’s humor. The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 3, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 3 segment, Mark Henkel explained how the new movement of Christian Polygamy arose, based on evangelical Christians deeply studying the Bible (as "sola scriptura") and therteby coming to see how polygamy was absolutely never declared to be a in anywhere in the Scriptures. He then explained how that new Christian Polygamy movement made it possible for the even larger movement for Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP). Regarding Christian Polygamy, Mark Henkel quickly listed some of the key arguments and examples of polygamist heroes from the Bible, even how Jesus Christ told a parable that described Himself as a Polygamist Bridegroom. The writer even positively jumped in to note how she had learned that one of the famous Biblical polygamists had had hundreds of wives. Mark Henkel confirmed that she was referring to King Solomon. While certainly not exhaustive, this Part 3 of this interview provides a helpful, quick rundown of these exegetical argumentations from the Bible about polygamy. The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 2, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 2 segment, Mark Henkel explained how the US Supreme Court's 1878 Reynolds v. United States court precedent was actually anti-Mormon rather than anti-polygamy. He also used repeated hjis famous sound-bite of how "a neutral noun is not modified by a smissing adjective," using the sunny day vs. rainy day analogy. Mark Henkel explained how the media, in order to generate ad-revenues, are more about manufacturing stories than reporting actual news. The writer repsonded, "That's a very good point." The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elizabeth Ranz for UCSD, on May 28, 2009, Part 1, for an essay she was writing, "Polygamy in Contradistinction to Gay Marriage." The student writer from University of California San Diego was seeking to learn how and why polygamy was not having the same level of political popularity as same sex marriage. In this Part 1 segment of the positive, educational interview, in order to build a foundation for his set of comprehensive answers to that main question, Mark Henkel opened by detailing the US Supreme Court's decision of Reynolds V. United States in 1878. He established four background points under which he would make his arguments. Anti-polygamy laws are unconstitutional in the States under the Tenth Amendment. The Reynolds case was only affirming an 1862 law where the federal government is only allowed authority under the "jurisdictional management" clause for non-State territories (Article 4, Section, 3, Paragraph 2). Would-be conservatives fall into hypocrisy to rely on that case under which "those 1878 liberal activist judges" concocted a nationwide precedent using a law that was limited only to non-State territories. For this Part 1 segment, Mark Henkel concluded his opening foundation, "The Reynolds case can not survive under a State's challenge to it. If a State was to allow polygamy, the federal anti-polygamy case of Reynolds would absolutely crumble in a heartbeat." The remaining parts of this interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 15 (the final one) of the second post-interview. It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008, to which she agreed. They both also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which was conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the fifteenth part of that second discussion - the last and final episode of the post-interviews with this writer. Mark Henkel re-iterated how had been trying to protect the writer’s credibility. He had done everything he could to help her make an accurate and non-hostile article. Unfortunately, the writer still chose to “edit” her article in a still-unacceptable - some might even say, passive aggressively hostile - manner. Since 2008, Mark Henkel patiently gave the writer an obviously-significant amount of time to correct herself in this matter: he waited over 14 years before letting this true story be revealed to the public with this podcast in 2022. Yet, as Mark Henkel explained at the conclusion of this episode, massive events (which would occur soon afterward in the Spring/Summer of 2008) fully vindicated every action and every reason why everything that Mark Henkel had said and done with this writer were absolutely… “of necessity.”
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 14 (the next-to-last one) of the second post-interview. It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008; and, she agreed. They both also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the fourteenth part of that second discussion. This Part 14 segment is a very short episode (on purpose), as Mark Henkel re-iterated the problem of the writer's article misrepresenting polygamy, as preparation for the conclusion of all of the 15 parts of this post-interview. That last and final remaining part of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 13 of the second post-interview. It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She agreed. The two also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the thirteenth part of that second discussion. In this Part 13 segment, Mark Henkel explained that, if the writer was still going to incolude two irrelevant sites, she should add the details that identify those facts about their irrelevance. The writer was more focused on saying, "Next point?" The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 12 of the second post-interview. It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She agreed. The two also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the twelfth part of that second discussion. In this Part 12 segment, Mark Henkel explained why the writer was undermining her credibility by listing other non-credible polygamy personals sites. He also explained the "Hobson's Choice" that the writer was imposing on him regarding the one and only polygamy personals website with verified real single women advertising in it. The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 11 of the second post-interview - and it is aery short one, relative to other episodes of this podcast. The reason for the shortness of this episode is two-fold. First, it shows how insulting the writer presented herself as she rudely went from "Next" to "Next" in her processing of point corrections. Second, it demonstrates an issue that had become a problem at that time: a force polygamist who was undermining the movement (with his force polygamy views) by labelling himself with a title of "Pastor" in order to pretend that he had more credibility than he possessed, so that manufactured news corporations would falsely quote him as if he was a qualified representative of the Christian Polygamy movement (which he was not). It all stems from an article that the writer had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She agreed. The two also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. Although rather brief (on purpose), this episode is the eleventh part of that second discussion. The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 10 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January, 2008. After the article had contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, Mark Henkel requested of the writer to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008 - to which she agreed. The two also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the tenth part of that second discussion. In this Part 10 segment, Mark Henkel clarified a reference that had been attributed to a deputy sheriff. Mark Henkel noted that that man was only familiar with Mormon Polygamy and that the man knew nothing about any other forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The writer declared, "Next!" The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 9 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So, the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the nineth part of that second discussion. In this Part 9 segment, the writer sarcastically asserted, “Ok, what are your other points. Let’s go!” After a calm pause, Mark Henkel began; he proceeded by making a correction to a statement from the writer’s article that claimed that "taking multiple wives is essential for them." Mark Henkel explained that, while it might be so for the couple being mentioned at that part of the article, it is not representative of other Christian Polygamists or of Christian Polygamy in general. "Essential... is not an accurate statement." The writer claimed that someone from another site had said it too (the same person whom she had previously labelled as “Pastor”). As they had already discussed the issues about that person as a source, Mark Henkel again noted how that person was "utterly uncredible" and that that man's websites had already been ignored by the movement. Rather than learn from this mistake, though, the writer instead retorted, "Well, you will have to take that up with" (that man, by name). Mark Henkel declared, "I don't understand why you're protecting your elevation of a person who's uncredible. This is hurting you." the remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 8 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So, the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the eighth part of that second discussion. In this Part 8 segment, the writer repeatedly pretended, "I am listening to you, Mark." As her actions and choices revealed that her actions were not matching up with the pretended assertion, Mark Henkel exposed that outright gaslighting by continuing to repeat, "I am pleading wiith you to listen, but you're not listening." She instead gaslighted as if such pleading was somehow an act of "insulting" her. Over-confident, the writer declared permission to Mark Henkel to "post this on the internet." Realizing that the gaslighting was not working on Mark Henkel, the writer eventually asked, "Are we done?" Mark Henkel repeated that they had not even begun to address the matter. With hostile sarcasm, the writer concluded, "Right. Ok." The discussion did continue, however. The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 7 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So, the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the seventh part of that second discussion. In this Part 7 segment, the writer continued to pretend she was being kind while she was instead, as Mark Henkel again said to her, "You're stepping on me." Mark Henkel continued to try to give her the education on the topic, yet the writer refused to listen while pretending she was doing so. As the writer claimed, "This is ridiculous," Mark Henkel immediately affirmed, "It IS ridiculous." The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service,on March 4, 2008. This is Part 6 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So, the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the sixth part of that second discussion. In this Part 6 segment, Mark repeatedly clarified that, not one thing but, a number of different things had happened over the course of 2006 and 2007 which were all contributory to the growth of the movement, of his organization’s membership, and of its website’s hits. The writer kept trying to suggest the growth was exclusively connected to the Warren Jeffs capture in August of 2006. Mark Henkel explained that additional factors from HBO’s “Big Love” in Spring of 2006, the Holm case going to the Supreme Court in January 2007, Season Two of “Big Love” in Spring of 2007, and more were also additional contributory portions to his reference to the movement’s growth as of Summer 2007 - not 2006. The movement’s growth was not connected to Warren Jeffs, as her article had previously seemed to imply. Mark Henkel concluded, “That’s why I am not being semantical. It really is important.” The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 5 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have a second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the fifth part of that second discussion. In this Part 5 segment, Mark noted how the writer’s article had got specific details incorrect. He differentiated the issue of experts from the “committee called ‘they,’” that the growth of 2Wives.com or his organization’s membership was not connected to the criminal Warren Jeffs, and how 2007 is not 2006. The writer accepted these corrections, concluding, “Fine.” The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 4 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. The article contained many negativities to be corrected. So the writer agreed to Mark Henkel’s request to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the fourth part of that second discussion. In this Part 4 segment, Mark Henkel noted how the writer was "stepping on" him for continuously repeating that she was going to remove both mentions of "sister site" and "2Wives.com" from an edited version of the article. Mark Henkel repeatedly told her that it was only the "sister site" reference, not the other reference to "2Wives.com," that needed to be removed. The writer passive aggressively continued to act as if that meant both references. Mark Henkel explained how he was trying to help her keep her credibility and then he expressed why he was getting frustrated - to which the writer took 8 solid seconds of silence before saying, "Are you ready to move forward now?" Mark Henkel replied, "The question is, Are you?" Mark Henkel explained that that specific issue was not resolved, and that solving it was how to move forward. The writer finally acquiesced and said that she would only take out the "sister site" reference alone, even saying it three times. The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani for Columbia News Service, on March 4, 2008. This is Part 3 of the second post-interview. It follows after an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. As the article contained many negativities to be corrected, the writer agreed to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the third part of that second discussion. In this Part 3 segment, the writer began asking whether Mark Henkel wanted to be taken out of the article. She asked the same “question” regarding the mention of the 2Wives.com website. Mark Henkel repeatedly explained that it was only the “sister site” reference but not the actual 2Wives.com site that needed to be removed. The writer continued to say both terms would be removed while also asking for Mark Henkel to go through the article “point by point” for correction. As she continued to play this psychological mind-game, the writer claimed that Mark Henkel was “veering off-topic” and supposedly trying to argue with her (when she was the one causing the argument), and she pretended that she was trying to supposedly “get this story right.” She repeated, “You keep spinning. You keep spinning.” Mark Henkel was never caught by the passive aggressiveness or mind-game. To get her attention, Mark Henkel even stopped and slowly counted out loud from one to ten. He then said very slowly and calmly, “Listen to me, please. You are talking to the National Polygamy Advocate. I have the knowledge to help you do this right. Listen to me, please.” Because she was a student, Mark Henkel explained that he was trying to help her to protect her. He also let her know, “One way or another, these facts are going to be told about this report.” He was simply trying to help her “get the story right.” (These facts are only being made public for the very first time with this podcast in the year 2022 – which is 14 years after these events happened.) In the end of this Part 3 segment, the writer asserted that she was supposedly not stepping on Mark Henkel. Yet, she still did it again, right away. Mark Henkel concluded, “And that’s how you’re stepping on it.” The remaining parts of the second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani on March 4, 2008, following an article she had written as a student for the Columbia News Service, from interviews she had conducted with Mark Henkel earlier in January of that year. (This is Part 2 of that second post-interview.) Because the article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, the writer agreed to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the second part of the second discussion. In this segment, the writer had begun to demonstrate that she was not all that positive toward Mark Henkel after all, responding to Mark Henkel’s professional expertise with statements such as “I don’t know that” – such an assertion which no unbiased journalist would ever make back to any interviewee. For confirmations, the writer repeated back to Mark Henkel the exact opposite of what he had previously told her. Mark Henkel said that it was not what he had said and admitted to her, “I’m tired of re-explaining that.” She responded, “Do you want to be taken out of the article?” She followed up such tactics by saying that she supposedly “did not want to argue” even though she was doing just that. Mark Henkel asked, “Listen to me…. Please hear me.” In the end of this segment, Mark Henkel repeated his positive intent, “I'm trying to help you here, and you're arguing with me - which is bizarre to me.” The remaining parts of that second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed a second time by Zehra Mamdani on March 4, 2008, for an article she would write as a student for the Columbia News Service. (This is Part 1 of that second post-interview.) After interviewing Mark Henkel in January of that year, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources. Because the article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected, the writer agreed to conduct an initial post-interview on February 26, 2008. She and Mark Henkel also agreed to have second post-interview later, which they conducted on March 4, 2008. This episode is the first part of the second discussion. This second post-interview opened with the writer addressing how another writer had chopped up her article which she said was “unjournalistic.” Following with mutual agreement with Mark Henkel on that point, the writer then proceeded to ask Mark Henkel to identify points in her article that were specifically inaccurate. At one point, she asked a question in such a way that Mark Henkel had to point out that she had “asked the question backwards” - that it was "reverse stated." As he clarified that specificity, she laughed. Addressing a line she had written in the article about how long the movement of Christian Polygamy had been progressing, she tried to suggest that she was, technically, not inaccurate. As Mark Henkel pointed out, the movement had specifically begun on July 4, 1994 – which was almost 14 years since the time of that second post-interview, not the 12 years as she had mistakenly reported. He then noted how it was important to specify the marking date of July 4, 1994, because other journalists and writers could mis-use her less-than-accurate statement to repeat it – just like she had complained a writer had done with her article already. The remaining parts of that second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 5. After interviewing Mark Henkel in the previous month, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources. Mark Henkel and the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults were blind-sided: the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the fifth and final part of the first discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. The writer and Mark Henkel both agreed to have another discussion days later; that second post-interview will be aired in the next coming episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 4. After interviewing Mark Henkel in the previous month, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources. Mark Henkel and the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults awere blind-sided: the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the fourth part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. In this episode, Mark Henkel addressed the problem of the article elevating two topical non-authorities, all of which poses a threat to the movement of unrelated consenting adult polygamy (UCAP). One of the ones so elevated had even been quoted using Mark Henkel's own unique style of terminology. The writer replied that that shows that the gentleman "reads your stuff" and TruthBearer.org. The problem, Mark Henkel explained, is "that he's being elevated when he's irrelevant." Bringing this Part4 of the podcast to a close, Mark Henkel concluded, "I have no problem with him being quiet. But I have a problem when he is being elevated - because of the threat he poses to our movement, as the anti-polygamists use him as a poster boy to say that 'force polgamy' is (supposedly) what we're about." Mark Henkel has always made it emphatically clear that that is not what the movement has ever been about.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 3. After interviewing in the previous month, the writer subsequently published an article on February 19, 2008, distributed to many other news sources. Blind-siding the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults as well as Mark Henkel himself, the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the third part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. In this episode, Mark Henkel even provided contrast that he had recently undertaken a positive project for a major television news magazine show, about which he would not yet name drop at that time (until after it aired); it was the show, "John Stossel Special on 20/20," which aired on ABC in July 18, 2008. As for her own article, the writer was self-convinced that she thought that supposedly "neutral" readers would not see what she had written as negative. Mark Henkel explained how too many of the manufactured news corporations "won't cut us any slack." The writer exclaimed with seemingly-sounded surprise, "You don't think this article was cutting you slack? Oh man!" That assertion only revealed how much she did not understand. Mark Henkel explained how "we have to be abso-positively perfect. There is nothing that can said or mis-quoted because then it gets used as a justification for the next thing I've got to defend, it becomes the next issue." Mark Henkel then brought up (from the writer's article) "that horrendous sentence" that suggested that normal healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, supposedly "has a reputation for underage marriage and domestic violence." Concluding this Part 3 of the podcast, Mark Henkel vehemently declared against that untruth, "No such thing. We have no such reputation for that."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 2. After interviewing in the previous month, Mark Henkel, the writer subsequently published an article, "Polygamists Hit the Web in Search of 'Sister Wives'" on February 19, 2008, that was also picked up by many other news sources. Blind-siding the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults as well as Mark Henkel himself, the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the second part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. The writer stated her opinion that she did not think neutral readers would find things negatively. Mark Henkel noted how anti-polygamists routinely look to twist things that he has said. He explained that it was important to correct for accuracy because (as he concluded this Part 2): "I know the attacks I get." This episode in the podcast provides Part 2 of that lengthy telephone post-interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was post-interviewed by Zehra Mamdani for an article she wrote as a student for the Columbia News Service, on February 26, 2008 - Part 1. Earlier, in January, 2008, the writer had a media request for that article she wanted to write. The subsequent interviews seemed to go positively. Her article, "Polygamists Hit the Web in Search of 'Sister Wives'" was posted on February 19, 2008, and it was picked up by many other news sources. Blind-siding the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults as well as Mark Henkel himself, the writer's article contained many negativities that needed to be corrected. This episode is the first part of the discussion in which Mark Henkel sought to help the writer make needed corrections. Mark Henkel explained how the media routinely has lied about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and how that was why polygamists (and he) had to routinely be on the defensive against such untruths and misrepresentations. In this Part 1 of the longer post-interview, it had become clear that the writer's editor had purposely guided the writer to inject negativities in order to supposedly "create balance." Mark Henkel noted how that would compare to how history would condemn a concept of some journalist in the 1960s interviewing Martin Luther King Jr. about good and positive inter-racial marriage and then adding parts to their article about anecdotally some African American criminal men abusing Caucasian women, and then calling it supposedly "adding balance." This episode in the podcast provides Part 1 of that lengthy telephone post-interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Melinda Morrison, for the Oprah Winfrey Show, on March 21, 2008. This is Part 2 of 2 parts. The producer was making a "circus act request." Over the prior years, the Oprah Winfrey Show had aired a number of episodes about "the dark side of polygamy." Each time, Mark Henkel had routinely reached out professionally to the show to clarify that those spots were damaging to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The producer was insistent that their show was so great, even pretending the extreme exaggeration that they supposedly got "hundreds of thousands of letters" from fans thanking them. No matter how sincerely Mark Henkel tried to help the producer understand, the producer refused to hear it; she began using passive aggressive tactics to suggest false accusations about Mark Henkel. Mark Henkel kindly pled to be heard, "We are saying, and you can choose to deny it if you want, but we are saying that your particular show has done damage to us. But we would like to see an opportunity for a bridge to be built there. My trying to express that to you, that you have done damage to our lives - as a show, maybe not you, personally. As a show, you have done damage to the very safety of our lives. And we are trying to be able to rectify that. That is what we need to be able to help you understand; and, then we can go forward and families will be more willing to trust you. That's what I'm saying. There is a hurdle that you have self-created as a show, and we would like to be able to get past that." Rather than be kindhearted and understanding about that, the producer held fast to the perceived gaslighting, next claiming that she did not think that their show "is the right fit for you guys." Later, she even went so far as to pretend that she had to "keep calming" Mark Henkel down. At that point, Mark Henkel calmly chuckled at the perceived gaslighting again and then he gently said, "I guess we are, unfortunately, near the end of this conversation." Less than 2 weeks after this interview, law enforcement raided the convicted criminal Warren Jeffs' FLDS community in Texas on April 3, 2008, taking over 400 children away. Mark Henkel had always opposed that criminal and expressed how much that normal UCAP families opposed Warren Jeffs and opposed the crimes he committed. The leading news cycle for months afterward was consistently about falsely stereotyping the false message as if polygamy was supposedly represented by those criminals. Hence, families in Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) were passionately relieved that nothing had been done or was even going to be done with the Oprah Winfrey Show because of this interview on March 21, 2008. By this interview and the way in which Mark Henkel successfully addressed the perceived gaslighting, UCAP polygamists had successfully dodged a bullet.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Melinda Morrison, for the Oprah Winfrey Show, on March 21, 2008. This is Part 1 of 2 parts. The producer was making a "circus act request," wanting open cameras to be used on families in their own homes. Bypassing the media request ticket system, the producer had directly called a confidential number to Mark Henkel. When she was asked about it, her unwillingness to be open about how her company had received the telephone number led to a perception of her gaslighting from the start. The Oprah Winfrey Show had aired previous episodes about "the dark side of polygamy" and Mark Henkel had regularly reached out professionally to the show to clarify that those spots were damaging to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel tried to help the producer understand, but the producer instead chose to insist that their show had been positive, and then she began what was perceived as even more gaslighting. Rather than hear Mark Henkel out and thereby learn how her show could heal the damage to UCAP polygamists caused by Oprah Winfrey's past shows (in order to then work together), the producer instead chose to falsely accuse him of being an "angry person." Considering how the FBI raid of the FLDS occurred less than 2 weeks later in Texas on April 3, 2008, UCAP polygamists were passionately relieved that nothing had been done or was going to be done with the Oprah Winfrey Show because of this interview. This Part 1 of 2 ends with Mark Henkel explaining how it is so dangerous for any meida to have portrayed and to then-still portray UCAP families as "the secret world of polygamy." What happened after that will be aired in the next episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (again) by Grant Cross, Development Producer for Jupiter Entertainment, on November 28, 2012. This was the second interview with this TV production company that produces series for networks, including TLC. In the first, more comprehensive interview two weeks earlier, the producer said that he would pitch Mark Henkel and the project. Mark Henkel thereafter kept trying to reach the producer for answer to that possibility. Once Mark Henkel reached him by telephone, the producer said that TLC had told his production company that they were aware of Mark Henkel, but that TLC was looking for someone who had specifically been a professional matchmaker for polygamists. TLC and his production company had concluded that there is no such person. When Mark Henkel replied by mentioning the polygamy personals site, 2Wives.com, the producer said that he had to go make a skype call. He asked Mark Henkel to call back “in one hour.” Mark Henkel was never able to reach the producer again, and the project never proceeded further.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Grant Cross, Development Producer for Jupiter Entertainment, on November 15, 2012. This was a TV production company that produces series for networks, including TLC. The producer said that his company was excited and seeking to create a new reality TV series of a matchmaking show for polygamists. The producer had seen the videos of Mark Henkel and realized that both Mark Henkel’s topical knowledge and animated presentation style could be a great fit as host for the show. The producer also acknowledged that Mark Henkel’s unique contribution to such a show as both on-air host and topical consultant could acknowledge/compensate Mark Henkel with both a “Talent credit” as well as “Consulting Producer credit.” The interview concluded with the producer ready to go pitch Mark Henkel and the project to his higher-ups and beyond. What happened next? That will be aired in the next episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Colt Straub, a producer for The Idea Factory, on August 28, 2007. The company was a TV production company that produces "docu-series." They had created a past series for TLC and had the current interest of Bravo network, Sundance network, and more, for this project. In the Summer of 2007, Mark Henkel was receiving too-numerous "circus act requests" by the media, with many being quite hostile. For this reason, Mark Henkel was strongly protective of UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) families when this request was made. The producer presented himself positively and did try to make assurances that his company would be respectful toward the topic and would not be, as the producer called it, "exploitatious." Mark Henkel replied, "The question is whether it is going to be advantageous for us to do." Since there was never going to be any compensation to the families for risking their lives for participating in the show, Mark Henkel added that also, "It's pretty much whether we're willing to be your free cost of goods." The interview concluded as Mark Henkel said that he would "ask around" if any families in UCAP would be willing to do this project. Ultimately, as no families felt safe enough to do so, nothing else advanced further with this project.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 12) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 12, which is the final part, Mark Henkel explained how this "larger issue" of "Imposerism" also helps the cause of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. This also includes some imprtant soundbites. The co-panelist asked Mark Henkel, "Do you believe socialism is forced compassion?" Mark Henkel replied, "No. I don't believe it's compassion at all." The co-panelist said that he loved that reply, positively laughed, and exclaimed that it was the best response he'd ever heard for that question. Mark Henkel went on to explain that he believes in the Individual - not the collective, not the majority, not the "borg" - saying that "socialism is a collectivism that crushes the Individual." Pointing out that "We are NOT a Democracy," he added the powerful sound-bite, “If I don’t think 70%, 80%, or even 90% of other people are smart enough to make a decision for my life, I sure do not believe that 51% are smart enough either.” He explained that his new term "Disimposerizing is a deeper level of kindness; and that deeper level of kindness is an even deeper level of love." He continued to say, "If I can help people see through the lens of Disimposerizing" - whether from the political LEFT or from the RIGHT - not only will people see how not to Impose on others for other issues, but they will understand how not to impose on UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy too. The co-panelist later friendly-teased Mark Henkel, "Are you trying to Impose polygamy?" The host interjected with a creative analogy of his own making, "No, it's an option. If you only want one of two cookies, you can still choose only one cookie." But others can be free to choose more. Mark Henkel affirmed that host's excellent analogy. The co-panelist re-iterated his interest in the "Imposerism" topic, and the host declared that he accepted both (saying, "I’m in for both") topics of liberty from Mark Henkel, both UCAP polygamy and the "larger issue" of self-removing one's "Imposerism." Both the host and the co-panelist stated how much they were looking forward to Mark Henkel coming back on the show to discuss the latter “larger issue” of “Imposerism.” This episode is the final part of this 3-hour interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 11) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 11, after Mark Henkel introduced his own "other topic" called, "Imposerism," the co-panelist exclaimed, “Wow! Wow! Wow. This is interesting.” The co-panelist then brought up the question about bringing political debates and voting down to the States’ levels; Mark Henkel referred to that as "State Statism." They discussed the combination of the 9th and 10th Amendments to the US Constitution. Mark expressed those to be the most beautiful and most elegant parts of the Constitution that fully clarify the difference between Individual rights and government authority. The co-panelist mentioned something he called the "Goshen Theory" in regard to abortion politics – to bring debates like that down to town-level differentiations. Mark Henkel explained how, while "Disimposerizing" will not solve every issue such as this one, if both sides come to the table after having "Disimposerized," they will be more inclined to seriously seek to find a win-win solution. Mark Henkel then showed how both sides would currently perceive the abortion/pre-natal infanticide issue being an Imposition – a “conflict of Imposition.” Mark Henkel suggested that, by "Disimposerizing," we could realize that those who want abortion really just want "Baby no more;” so if our politics could find a scientific way to not have it be "Baby gets killed" to instead become "Baby gets re-located" (alive), then we could find a win-win solution in even that debate. Those who see it as pre-natal infanticide (that has been currently killing the baby) would be happy that babies would be no longer having their lives imposed upon by murder in their pre-natal lives. Those who see it as a "my body / my choice" perspective would be happy that their own lives were not being imposed upon by bans of abortion that otherwise would force them to carry babies past their pre-natal lives. The significant difference is that, by choosing to "Disimposerize," both sides would look for ways to not impose on the others, so that a win-win solution to our real and more difficult problems might be found. The co-panelist exclaimed, "Huh! You really gave me something to think here tonight about Imposerism." Mark Henkel used this as the preceding-setup for next explaining how this "larger issue" of "Imposerism" could also help the cause of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. That summarizing explanation, as the final part of this 3-hour interview, will air in the next following episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 10) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 10, Mark Henkel introduced his own "other topic" that the host wanted Mark Henkel to also bring up, "Imposerism." Segueing from the previous Bible discussion, Mark Henkel gave his opening soundbite, “The truth is that there is not one single example in the Bible – anywhere - of God ever needing the false god of big government to impose or enforce any of His doctrines. Government is not something we see God ever needing. I think God is capable of doing that which He will.” From there, Mark Henkel taught the process of his new trademark line, “Imposition Creates Opposition™,” how authoritarians on the Left and authoritarians on the Right are actually working together as the “2 sides” of the same one coin of “Imposerism,” what that term means, and how both sides exploit the Imposerism within each of us to give us the “current era of Imposer vs. Imposer politics” in which an Imposer always gets elected, no matter which side wins. With each new Imposition from either side creating more and more Opposition, this is why “our society is getting angrier and angrier.” Mark Henkel explained that the solution is for each of us to self-choose to remove our own Imposerism and to follow the “Reverse Double Negative Golden Rule.” This episode ends with a co-panelist exclaiming, “Wow! Wow! Wow. This is interesting.” More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 9) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 9, Mark Henkel was asked to introduce his own "other topic" that had connection to this issue and other topics. A co-panelist named Kelly wanted to continue the discussion about the "one wife" verses. Mark Henkel explained that he would not listen to commentaries of the Bible any more than he would listen to commentaries about gun control and the 2nd Amendment. Mark Henkel said that, for us to study the issue, we have to go back to the originalism for both, to read for ourselves what the words actually written do actually mean. The co-panelist asked what impact that the ratio of men to women has on why we should have "one man one woman" for marriage. Mark Henkel explained that the real question to ask is, “What is the ratio of men-who-want-to marry-women to the number of women-who-want-to marry-men?” Mark Henkel reiterated his soundbite about the current era of dumbed down males, with marriage-phobic "playa" baby-daddies and abandoned single moms. He pointed out that, as more same sex marriages have been recorded with men than with women. same sex marriage further reduces the number of men-who-want-to marry-women from that more relevant ratio. The co-panelist began suggesting that chastity until marriage was the way for men to grow up and would heal marriages. The host strongly disagreed, saying it would set people up for failure. Mark Henkel noted how that would call for government to control the decisions of people, which he could not accept. That became a good point at which to segue to the related "other topic" that the host wanted Mark Henkel to also bring up. More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 8) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 8, Mark Henkel was asked about his political self-identification. He replied with his soundbite about the current political environment: "Liberals are Liars; Conservatives are Liberals; and Libertarians are Lip Servers," referring to them as "Corpemocrats, Corpublicans, and Corporatarians" who do not recognize that "liberty and capitalism are for Individuals, not Big Government-born Corporations." One of the co-panelists named Kelly asked great questions about marriage doctrine in the Bible. Mark Henkel provided numerous examples and citations from the Scriptures to prove how the Bible never banned polygamy or called it a sin. In response to a theory to try to rationalize why there was polygamy in the Bible, Mark Henkel explained, "I think that's over-thinking it" and that "they just did it without thinking about it" precisely because it never was a sin anyway. When describing the "MIA wife" (FIRST wife) verses of 1 Timothy 3:2, 3:12, and Titus 1:6, Mark Henkel explained that those three verses explicitly and only applied to "bishops, elders, and deacons" who were required to each be the husband of their "FIRST wife" according to the original language - not "ONE wife" as has been wrongly translated. Referencing a song by the famous TV show for children, "Sesame Street," that sang the lesson, "One of these things is not like the others, one of these just does not belong," Mark Henkel pointed out that calling "MIA wife" as "ONE wife" instead of as "FIRST wife" causes that prohibition to be unlike the other things that bishops, elders, and deacons were not supposed to do. More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 7) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 7, the host asked Mark Henkel for what reason and for what benefit does government have from being involved in marriage. Mark Henkel explained that it is Marriage Control, that is not about Marriage but about Control. Mark Henkel used his renowned soundbites of "laissez faire marital economics," "marital marxism," and his "10 men and 10 women" metaphor. Mark Henkel also shared his known soundbites about being in "the era of dumbed down males" and how the commonly repeated joke of stand-up comics is about "men being afraid of marriage." A co-panelist asked Mark Henkel what he thought about the story of 2 Asian twins marrying the same man. Mark Henkel explained that he had heard of that story, thinking that those are the twins on a new reality show on TLC, called "Extreme Sisters." More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 6) on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 6, the host brought Mark Henkel back on after the latter had been cut off while giving his previous answer. Mark Henkel briefly re-summarized the answer that he had been saying when not "on air." Mark Henkel explained how trans rights movement leap frogged over the polygamy rights movement. He further explained how that happened: authoritarianism has grown to even having people advocating against free speech. Mark Henkel shared how the beginning of what he called "Covid1984" had so occupied the news cycle of the year 2020; and he shared how that pro-polygamists were denied a "victory lap" in the media about a new Utah law that year that reduced the bigamy sentence from a felony to an infraction. Mark Henkel also explained how Christianity brought onto themselves the political hatred that Christians consequently suffer by those on whom Christianity previously imposed OMOW (One Man / One Woman). Mark Henkel explained how Christian leaders "have gone the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat" to mislead Christianity into the idolatry of worshipping big government as their false god, such as wiht "marriage control" – and, unfortunately, Christianity is subsequently reaping what it sowed. More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 5 THE LOST PORTION), on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 5, the host opened the start of the second hour of the program, asking Mark Henkel to address legal victories and challenges. As heard in the previous episode of this podcast, just as Mark Henkel began to respond, he was unexpectedly disconnected from the show. The never-before-heard reply that Mark Henkel answered is here provided in this Part 5 THE LOST PORTION. Mark Henkel provided a comprehensive telling of the Brown v Buhman case (aka as the "Sister Wives" case) that went up to the Supreme Court of the United States. Mark Henkel also detailed the steps to the passage of a Utah State law in May, 2020, that reduced the charge of bigamy from a felony down to an infraction (like a parking ticket). Then Mark Henkel shared how the beginning of what he called "Covid1984" had so occupied the news cycle of the year 2020 that pro-polygamists were denied a "victory lap" in the media about that new Utah law. More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 4), on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 4, the host opened the start of the second hour of the program. He asked Mark Henkel to address legal victories and challenges. As Mark Henkel began to respond, he was unexpectedly disconnected from the show. The host joked that that might have been due tom some fictitious person he labelled as "NSA Bob." Mark Henkel did not immediately know that he had been disconnected, so he continued talking (although it was not heard live). More parts of this interview - including what Mark Henkel actually did say when unwittingly disconnected - will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 3), on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 3, the host began with his own question first, "What would you say about men who prey on weak-willed women?" After Mark Henkel answered that question, the host asked questions posed from people who had previously messaged his show. First, someone had written the host to ask Mark Henkel, "I am interested in bringing polygamy up to my wife. How do I bring it up to her?" Next, someone had asked the host to ask, "I am in love with another woman and I am married. ...Any advice?" Mark Henkel provided deep answers, providing his renowned soundbites: "No one in the history of the universe has ever escaped from polygamy;" the metaphor of growth in learning mathematics; the Love-not-Force standard for Christian polygamy and all UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), with the lesson of "Let God bring your Isaac, don't force your Ishmael;" and relationship principles of intimacy, saying, "Before you bring it up, you need to do an inventory of yourself, your motivations, your emotions, and your husband skills." This Part 3 concludes with the soundbite, "You're really under a microscope when you're considering polygamy. All the women are watching you and you really have to care about all of them." More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr. (this episode is Part 2), with a roundtable of the show's additional co-panelists, on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. In this Part 2, the host asked about the hypocrisy that people will now accept "pansexual, homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, and other pronouns," yet people still react differently when the word "polygamy" is mentioned. Mark Henkel answers that question, providing important sound-bites alongside an explanation about "heuristics" and how people default to them to judge without even knowing any actual families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel also shared a story of how two very different women could choose polygamy that works for them, how today's educated women would never let a chest-pounding guy get away with the false stereotype that people wrongly ascribe to polygamy, and the real-life example of how one former wife and children of a "monogamist wife beater" had become much better off when she left and later joined a loving family in UCAP polygamy who loved her and lovingly helped the children thrive. More parts of this interview will air in the following episodes of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr., with a round-table of the show's additional co-panelists, on August 4, 2021. The complete show lasted 3 hours long. For this podcast, the entire show has been subdivided into several parts. This episode is Part 1 of the several parts to follow in this podcast. All parts of this show provide a comprehensive interview that covered so many different issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. In this Part 1, Mark Henkel provides many significant details: the Bible never created the OMOW ("one man, one woman") doctrine or anti-polygamy view; the origins of the new modern Christian Polygamy movement; how that catapulted him to the national stage as the National Polygamy Advocate; how Christians should be horrified to ever let government to define, license, or control marriage doctrine; and how the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate" can provide freedom for all sides of that debate. This is the interview with the repeated soundbite that Mark Henkel reminds, "When you ask for big government, you get big government."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by a producer named, Livia, for a London TV Production Company, on November 15, 2009. The producer was seeking for what Mark Henkel termed as a media "circus act request," seeking to do a documentary to put on display a family in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The Producer conducted herself positively, friendly, and perhaps a little "schmoozy” in a good way. She came across as positively willing to fulfill various terms and conditions that Mark Henkel detailed. Ultimately, even as the project did not happen, this was still quite a positive interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Ron Mitchell for the Bill O'Reilly Show on FOXNews television network, on September 14, 2006. In early September, the producer had made a media request. Mark Henkel attempted to call the producer 12 times, leaving a voicemail on the 2nd and 12th attempts. The producer finally called back. He asked the question backwards that, if UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) was "allowed" by government, would that not mean that same sex marriage would have to be allowed too. Mark Henkel gave his famous soundbite, that the question to consider is not whether such things are "allowed" but that government is not allowed to "disallow" what unrelated consenting adults choose for relationships, that it's a "Freedom of Assembly" issue. Mark Henkel also gave his other famous soundbite of the "only role for government in marriage.” Mark Henkel explained the established "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate." The producer exclaimed "Interesting!" He said he could "do something with this" and that he found these arguments “all very consistent.” The two of them made plans for a follow-up call to make such arrangements. Over the following weeks, Mark Henkel made five more attempts to reach the producer, leaving a voicemail on the third one. Lastly, when an article appeared on the FOX News website that included Mark Henkel (unrelated to this interview with Ron Mitchell) on November 24, 2006, Mark Henkel made one last attempt to reach the producer on November 27, 2006. The Bill O'Reilly Show never got back to Mark Henkel. Instead, over the coming years, the host began pushing big government solutions to support marriage control and to routinely assert false scare-tactics about polygamy. The host knew full-well of Mark Henkel's true limited government solution. As Bill O'Reilly had subsequently become no "conservative" (even while pretending to be so on a "conservative" TV news network) especially in regard to the marriage control issue, O’Reilly instead did the very same things that he accused "the liberal media" of doing and of not reporting the whole truth. Mark Henkel was later known to have nicknamed the host, "LibbeReilly," from the perspective of polygamists - a play-on-words with the host's name to "out" the dishonest host as a fake "conservative." By Bill O'Reilly's own standards of defining liberla media, he had become a modern "liberal" indeed. That all could have been prevented if the show had simply followed through with this interview that had excited the show's producer - if "LibbeReilly" had instead begun to report the whole truth, had stopped acting like the "liberal media" he pretended to oppose, and had stopped intentionally mispresenting polygamy from thereonafter.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave his second of 2 interviews with Alley Einstein for "Big Pictures & Strong Features," on February 15, 2008. Writing a story about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the writer’s purpose for this second interview sought to make arrangements for conducting a conference call interview with a polygamous family and for making compensation to the TruthBearer.org organization for the story. The writer was an established independent writer for British magazines, including Fabulous, More, and Take a Break. (NOTE: “UIC” was also written on the physical audiocassette tape of the original copy of this interview. She was also known as "Alison Rose," being a TV journalist in Australia.) Listeners may hear that first interview in the previous podcast episode. Even so, the airing of this second interview becomes the 200th episode posted of the National Polygamy Advocate ™ PODCAST.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave his first of 2 interviews with Alley Einstein for "Big Pictures & Strong Features," on February 13, 2008. The writer was an established independent writer for British magazines, including Fabulous, More, and Take a Break. (NOTE: “UIC” was also written on the physical audiocassette tape of the original copy of this interview. She was also known as "Alison Rose," being a TV journalist in Australia.) In addition to learning about what she called "mature polygamy," the writer was (successfully) contracting with Mark Henkel to organize a conference call with a family in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The agreement would limit the article to only the print edition - neither for the United States nor anything online. She also agreed to many required conditions, too. The writer asked many excellent questions. Mark Henkel provided several excellent soundbites. When Mark Henkel used the term, “Multiple Monogamy,” the writer said “I like that phrase.” She also initiated her own comparison of how, when Prince Charles married Princess Diana, it was understood that "he would still keep his mistress." Mark Henkel affirmed how her comparison demonstrates the hypocrisy of those who support that concept but still oppose UCAP. The writer even declared, “I am a supporter of polygamy.” The subsequent interview would solidify the arrangements for the writer’s conference call with one of the families from Mark Henkel’s organization. Listeners may hear that second interview in the next subsequent podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was to be interviewed by Gregor Craigie for "The Current," a morning radio program on CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, on February 4, 2005. Earlier that week, a new federal bill had been submitted to legalize same sex marriage in Canada. (That bill would eventually pass later in Canada that year on July 20, 2005, as "The Civil Marriage Act.") The news cycle raised questions about whether the same rights would have to include UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The producer wanted to ask Mark Henkel questions to use on a show the following week. As Mark Henkel was recovering from having the flu, they agreed to do the interview the next week if the producer got approval. When Mark Henkel had not heard back by the following Tuesday (February 8, 2005), he called the producer back. The seemingly eager and positive producer continued to want to do the story, but he had still not received approval from his editors. Ultimately, neither the interview nor the story ever happened, and the producer was neither reached nor heard from again.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on December 21, 2007. Mark Henkel was included as one of the host's favorite past guests over the previous year. For that reason, the host invited Mark Henkel to appear on this "Christmas Special" show. Mostly, this appearance was a brief but fun exchange, wishing a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from the perspective of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. This was the second year in a rowin which the host had invited Mark Henkel to be on the "Christmas Special." At the same time, this was the host's very last episode of his show too. As Mark Henkel was brough on the air to speak, eh got cut off. The producer reconnected and brought him back on, and the host started fresh. Clearly enjoying Mark Henkel as a guest, the host always kept it fun and Mark Henkel responded with equally fun answers.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Mary Fischer for the New York Times, on March 15, 2002. The second of two calls, this is the larger interview conducted the next day. The writer had already begun writing an article about non-Mormon based polygamy and she had been referred to Mark Henkel as the authority on the topic. This half-hour interview provides comprehensive education, insights, and soundbites. Conducted only 6 months after the infamous 9/11 (2001) tragedy, Mark Henkel mentioned the positive Open Directory Project (ODP) of DMOZ.org as well as the negative Tom Green whom he identified as the "polygamy Tim MacVeigh." Mark Henkel shared the Biblical arguments of Christian Polygamy, detailed how the movement had started and grown since 1994, and explained the “House of Cards” analogy for persuading others of the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution for ending the Marriage Debate."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Mary Fischer for the New York Times, on March 14, 2002. This was the first of two calls, with the larger interview conducted the following day. The writer had already begun writing an article about non-Mormon based polygamy. She had learned of Mark Henkel as an established authority on the topic through the author of a new book at the time (“A Three Ring Marriage”) whose website for the book was ordered and hosted by the webhosting services of the TruthBearer.org organization, founded by Mark Henkel. Listeners may hear the second (and fuller) interview with this writer in the next episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed a 4th time by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on January 24, 2008. This episode is the second of the two newly-found "lost interviews" for this specific television project. This half-hour interview occurred two weeks after the producer and Mark Henkel had flown together to film and interview a UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) family from Mark Henkel's organization for three days, in preparation of the project. The purpose of this additional pre-interview was to prepare for the next step of flying Mark Henkel to New York for the formal taped interview with John Stossel himself (on January 30, 2008) for the segment that eventually aired on July 18, 2008. Herein, Mark Henkel makes his startling, hilarious, yet powerful soundbite about the hypocrisy in the same sex marriage debate: "Marriage controllers say that they are usually conservatives for limited government, but instead what they are, they're like straight men who offer their backsides up to big government and wonder why they get screwed. And then they wonder why homosexuals want to join in their orgy of socialism." As the producer later ran through some of the soundbites captured from the earlier interview with the UCAP family, she re-stated one of the great lines from one of the wives who said, "It's better to have nice, good husband that you share than to have a mean, abusive scum to yourself." The producer conducted herself as one of the most professional, compassionate, and understanding producers to have ever interviewed Mark Henkel. She even declared to him, "You are so sweet" and "You are an amazing advocate."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed a 3rd time by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on December 18, 2007. This episode is one of the two newly-found "lost interviews" for this specific television project. Earlier that day, Mark Henkel had given a lengthy interview with the producer. At the end of that first December 28, 2007, interview (which was previously+ broadcast as a past episode of this podcast), she asked to call Mark Henkel back later that same day. This specific "lost interview" is the call she made later that day. This hour-long interview contains numerous educational insights, excellent soundbites, and enjoyable discussion. Just a few examples include a detailed understanding about Love-not-Force, the possible teaser of how some UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) supporters have called Mark Henkel as "the next Martin Luther for Christians and the next Martin Luther King for civil rights," how other African Americans who did not publicly do as Rosa Parks had done on the bus still supported her and absolutely still wanted the same freedoms every bit as much as she did (and how that applies to UCAP), and a fun conversation discussing flights, cell coverage, and plans to first film the polygamous family and then to film Mark Henkel with John Stossel himself. This "lost interview," therefore, is the 3rd of 4 pre-interviews with Kristina Kendall for this specific project. Accordingly, the second "lost interview" (which occurred later, on January 24, 2008) is the 4th of all of the 4 pre-interviews, and it will be presented in the next episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel spoke for 9th & last time with producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on August 23, 2006. This final conversation was the ninth of nine (9of9) discussions with this producer over a few months in 2006. Likewise from the previous interview with this producer, this interview once again referenced the fact that the previous Saturday had been the official “Polygamy Day ®”. In this last discussion in this series, the producer and Mark Henkel discussed ways that they could organize a "tour” of interviewing polygamous families. Mark Henkel explained how that could possibly happen, also re-iterating the essential protocols that he called “The 3 Anons” - i.e., Mosaics, Voice Changes, and Pseudonyms for the families recorded. The producer agreed, understanding the necessity of the protocols. The discussion ended with plans to explore such possibilities. Ultimately, though, this podcast episode concludes with 14 attempts to call the producer until September 1, 2006. No more conversations occurred again.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel spoke for 8th time with producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on August 21, 2006. This was the eighth of nine (8of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. The Saturday before this conversation had been the official “Polygamy Day ®.” Mark Henkel noted that the show had reported of Mormon polygamists rallying in Utah on that day, but he had not received any call about it to balance it out beyond the “Mormon stereotype.” The producer said that she had not been part of that segment as she had been working on a different story. Being called away at the end of this conversation, she stated her intention to get back to Mark Henkel later. The final discussion in this series of nine interview conversations will be presented in the next episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel spoke for 7th time with producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on July 31, 2006. This was the seventh of nine (7of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. That week, famous actor and one of the few known conservative and pro-Christian actors, Mel Gibson, had been arrested for drunken driving and was recorded making racist rants to the officer. Conservatives and Christians responded that they cannot be defined by what one person does. Mark Henkel noted that that is exactly his own argument when conservatives try to condemn all UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, by the anecdotes of Warren Jeffs and his FLDS cult. Mark Henkel even noted how one example of TV interview he gave earlier that year on which a conservative pundit had tried to do exactly that to him - and how Mark Henkel correctly used the same argument in reply back then that conservatives were suddenly also using about this later "Mel Gibson story." Over the previous weeks, the producer had indicated that the show was then-currently focused on war reporting "all the time." Even so, they needed a "pitch" for bringing him on to their show. Mark Henkel noted how this "Mel Gibson news story" could be such a possible angle to "pitch." The producer said she would talk with a fellow producer friend (of another show on FOX News) to see if that other show might want to use this angle even if she could not this time. Unfortunately, nothing became of it, but this was not the last time they spoke either. Subsequent interviews between the two will be broadcast in the forthcoming podcast episodes.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel spoke for 6th time with producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on July 19, 2006. This was the sixth of nine (6of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. Mark Henkel had noted that, the day before, the US House of Representatives had failed to pass the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment. Although interested in that story angle for bringing Mark Henkel onto her show, the producer indicated that the show was then-currently focused on war rerporting "all the time" for at least another week. Subsequent interviews between the two will be broadcast in the forthcoming podcast episodes.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed a 5th time by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on June 27, 2006. This was the fifth of nine (5of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. Mark Henkel had noted that the three-year-anniversary (6/26/2006) of the US Supreme Court decision of Lawrence v. Texas (6/25/2003) had passed, removing their opportunity to use that news-story as the way to get him onto the show. The producer followed-up with more questions about the then-current story about “Heartland Ministry” in Missouri having their children removed by the federal government. Mark Henkel said that he could find no connection to polygamy. The producer admitted that the suggestion had come from an attorney for the government. Mark Henkel replied that that person was simply a rumor-mongerer. The interview also brought up how renowned Christian leader, Jerry Falwell, was fully and publicly aware of Mark Henkel over the previous three years. The reporter stated that she knew Falwell’s publicity people and that she would see if that might open a way to bring Mark Henkel onto the show. The producer re-iterated that they need to come up with some "angle" they can use for her to pitch to her bosses as the way to get Mark Henkel onto the show. Again, subsequent interviews between the two will be broadcast in the forthcoming podcast episodes.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed a 4th time by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on June 5, 2006. This was the fourth of nine (4of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. In this interview, the producer asked about a then-current story about “Heartland Ministry” in Missouri having their children removed, and how the federal government had dropped an innuendo that that Christian community “might” also be “involved in polygamy.” When Mark Henkel called it a rumor and asked who had put that rumor out, the producer said that it was “from the government.” Mark Henkel said that he had never heard of the ministry but said he would put “feelers” out within his organization for more information. This interview addressed other issues as well. Mark Henkel gave a new version of his “right to imagination” soundbite in which he explained that people even have a right to believe that “square wheels will roll,” but government has no authority to marriage control. He also provided an extensive education about the actual anti-polygamy case of the 1878 US Supreme Court Decision, Reynolds v. United States. Impressed with Mark Henkel’s extensive knowledge of the case and the US Constitution, the producer said, “It’s amazing that you hold that all in your head.” She said she would check out the legal issues and see if they can come up with a “pitch” to get Mark Henkel on the show. In the end, the producer re-iterated, “I appreciate that you call me, I really do. Don't feel like you shouldn't.” The subsequent interviews between the two will be broadcast in the forthcoming podcast episodes.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed a 3rd time by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on June 5, 2006. This was the third of nine (3of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. As Warren Jeffs was still "on the lam," and the first season of HBO’s “Big Love” was still be broadcast, the producer for this show on FOX had, in previous discussions wiht Mark Henkel, wanted to present "the other side of polygamy." In the previous interview (on May 25, 2006), she had been seeking to get Mark Henkel on the show for June 2, 2006. That did not happen. Other news had called the producer away. Mark Henkel kept trying to reach her by phone until the call succeeded on June 5, 2006. Together, they discussed how US President George W. Bush was about to speak that day about the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment, which was about to start being debated in the Senate the next day, on the date of 6/6/6. The producer needed to have her meeting with the host, and she planned to speak again later with Mark Henkel. When she did not call back, Mark Henkel called again on June 7, 2006, but only got voicemail. This was also a short discussion; even so, it is essential to inform of the pattern of calls between the producer and Mark Henkel over the months in 2006.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed a 2nd time by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on May 25, 2006. This was the second of nine (2of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. As Warren Jeffs was still "on the lam," and the first season of HBO’s “Big Love” was still be broadcast, the producer for this show on FOX wanted to present "the other side of polygamy." The producer said that she almost had called Mark Henkel on Friday, May 19th, to have him on, but other breaking news happened. They discussed possible logistics for his possibly being on the show the following Friday (June 2). The producer said that the host was out “fighting gators in Florida” (and other stories) and that the producer would speak with that host the next day. This was a short discussion; even so, it is essential to inform of the pattern of calls between the producer and Mark Henkel over the months in 2006.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Kerry O'Connor for "On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteren" on FOX News television network, on May 18, 2006. This was the first of nine (1of9) discussions with this producer over the following months in 2006. As Warren Jeffs was still "on the lam," and the first season of HBO’s “Big Love” was still be broadcast, the producer for this show on FOX wanted to present "the other side of polygamy." Mark Henkel provided some quick education. He helped the producer understand that not all polygamy occurs “in the Mormonland bubble” of Utah/Arizona. He adamantly declared that normal families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, equally oppose the crimes for which Warren Jeffs was being sought and accused (and later convicted). And Henkel told a story of one family in the TruthBearer.org organization that had been sued by a violent wife-beating ex-husband to get back child custody only because anti-polygamy laws were “on the books,” to allow him to do so - costing the family thousands of dollars to defend against that which otherwise would have been easily dismissed as a frivolous lawsuit. "So the existence of the legal law can be used to abuse with the civil law," explained Henkel. The producer exclaimed, “Wow!” and she expressed how she could see how that was possible by such laws being "on the books." Mark Henkel and the producer developed a positive rapport. She even laughed positively when Mark Henkel gave the soundbite of “marriage-phobic baby daddy males” in a contemporary society, while the hypocrisy remains of criminalizing caring husbands who deliberately want marriage responsibilities with UCAP polygamy. Thus began several interviews in trying to find ways for the producer to put Mark Henkel on their show.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Alexis Weed for the Nancy Grace Show on HLN Headline News television network, on January 14, 2014. They were seeking a response to the December 13, 2013, decision by a federal judge in Utah to strike down the "cohabitation clause" in that State's bigamy law. Although later over-turned in 2016, that temporary court decision effectively de-criminalized "de facto polygamy" (i.e., polygamy with only one wife having a government marriage license) in Utah at the time. The producer did attempt to get pushy at times, but Mark Henkel stood his ground and they positively agreed to organize a live interview a couple hours later on the show. When speaking of the false stereotyping of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, Mark Henkel said, “You can't compare all football players to Jerry Sandusky and his crimes.” The producer exclaimed, "I like that example. I do." This podcast episode is the pre-interview with the producer. The live TV interview with the host herself, Nancy Grace, was broadcast in Episode 25 of this podcast, posted back in September, 2018.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Anne Hartmayer for "OPEN COURT: Bloom & Politan" on CourtTV on September 19, 2007, for his appearance on the show the next day. Mark Henkel had previously been on Vinnie Politan’s CourtTV-radio show a number of times, as organized with producer Mark Goldman. Anne Hartmayer was the producer for the TV show that Vinnie Politan co-hosted with Lisa Bloom, so she was already used to working with Mark Goldman. (She learned of Mark Henkel from Mark Goldman.) When another producer for another CourtTV television show, Deb Cote for “Jami Floyd: Best Defense,” learned of Mark Henkel’s booking for “OPEN COURT: Bloom & Politan,” Anne Hartmayer shared the referral, putting Deb Cote in contact with Mark Henkel too. On Tuesday, September 18, 2007, Deb Cote interviewed Mark Henkel to book him for her other show. They discussed looking into making arrangements for him to fly to New York City – at his own expense - to appear live on her other show and perhaps other shows the next day (or vice versa). (Listeners here should note that that interview was broadcast on the previous podcast episode before this one.) The next day, Mark Henkel emailed Anne Hartmayer. He questioned whether it made sense for him to be paying for the airflight out of his own pocket, which was not his usual method of arriving at media appearances. Anne Hartmayer called Mark Henkel (which is this interview episode here). With his past appearances on both of their shows, Anne Hartmayer and Mark Goldman had long built an excellent working relationship and great rapport with Mark Henkel. The idea of Mark Henkel paying for his own airfare worried Anne Hartmayer. As the prosecution in the Warren Jeffs trial in Utah had rested their case (the day before), she quickly realized that it was unknown how much longer CourtTV would even be covering the story. Hence, it was possible that Mark Henkel would buy airfare, only to possibly have his appearance cancelled. This unknown but real possibility greatly worried Anne Hartmayer, foreseeing how that possibility could harm the working relationship that she and Mark Goldman had already built up with him. Since she had referred Mark Henkel to Deb Cote, who had only just met him the day before, she wanted to protect that working relationship from any possible misunderstanding or harm. This episode is that phonecall interview with Anne Hartmayer. In the end, it made the best sense for Mark Henkel to do “phoner” interviews (i.e., by telephone) on all three of the shows. Everything worked out positively with all the shows. Mark appeared multiple times, and his working relationships with all three producers and shows was strengthened.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by producer Deb Cote for "Jami Floyd: Best Defense" on CourtTV on September 18, 2007. This was in preparation for Mark Henkel's first appearance on the host's show. That day, the prosecution in the Warren Jeffs trial in Utah had rested its case. Mark Henkel had been a previous guest of another show on CourtTV, "Open Court: Bloom & Politan," as well as on a separate CourtTV radio show hosted by Vinnie Politan. The producers for the three shows all wanted Mark Henkel to be on their shows. In this interview, this producer was trying to book Mark Henkel while knowing that he was also being sought for the other shows on the same network. Mark Henkel had been looking into the cost flying himself to New York City (to be paid out of his own pocket) to do a "tour" of the shows. The producer and Mark Henkel also discussed possibilities of his driving to a CNN studio in Boston. Two days later, Mark Henkel appeared as a "phoner" guest (i.e., via telephone), first on the show, "Open Court: Bloom & Politan" and then on this producer's show, “Jami Floyd: Best Defense," both on Thursday, September 20, 2007. Mark would appear on this producer's show a couple more times after that, as well.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (a 5th time) for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 26, 2006, produced by KingWorld. This was the fifth and last interview with her. In a voicemail message that the producer left the week before, on June 21, 2006, she was willing to concede one issue: to allow polygamous families for an interview to meet at a hotel. On June 23, 2006, Mark Henkel called her back, leaving a voicemail message that re-iterated all of the necessary requirements in order to proceed. On June 26, 2006, Mark Henkel finally reached her directly. She realized that they were not going to be able to fulfill this "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.) without meeting Mark Henkel's protectve terms. The project was finally abandoned.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (a 4th time) for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 12, 2006, produced by KingWorld. This was the fourth of five total interviews with her. While the plan was for Mark Henkel to fly out for taping later that week, the producer called on this Monday to try to push for more open opportunities to film polygamous families. After a healthy exchange of deeper clarity and possibilities, the producer ended this interview somewhat abruptly, saying she needed to discuss things more with her producer. While Mark Henkel was not subsequently flown to New York to be taped, there would still be one more interview, which airs in the next episode.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (a third time) for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 9, 2006, produced by KingWorld. This was the second interview with her on that same day of June 9, 2006, and the third of five total interviews. Although the plan from the previous interview had been to speak the following week, the producer had instead called back that same evening, leaving a voicemail to see if Mark Henkel would be free to travel for a taping the following week. When Mark Henkel called her back, she brought up a magazine that had only had one singular published issue three years previously, a publication which was focused exclusively on Mormon polygamy. This seemed to unfortunately change the project's focus back to the "Mormonland bubble" again instead of a national focus. The producer suggested that maybe "this could be a teachable moment" to show that all polygamy is not always Mormon-based. This interview ended with the intent for both to speak together again on the following Monday, to then be the 4th interview (to air in the next episode of this podcast).
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed (a second time) for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 9, 2006, produced by KingWorld. This was the second of five interviews. Following the previous interview two days earlier (on June 7), the producer had come back with more attempted offerings to try to help this project not be a “Circus Act Request” (C.A.R.) - but it still l was. Mark Henkel re-iterated about the producer’s need for “plausible deniability” from being subpoenaed – even referencing a then-current news cycle about a New York Times reporter and a CIA leak that did not protect the journalist. Mark Henkel painted the picture clearly, “At the end of the day, what you're telling me is: We better deliver you the circus act or we don't have a story." He also informed her that normal polygamous families in his organization were not all that interested in being part of this particular project, once they learned that it was with INSIDE EDITION. Mark Henkel told the producer how he had always respected the host, Deborah Norville, ever since the “drama” between her and Jane Pauley in 1989 on “The TODAY Show.” He explained that that former respect was why he and families in UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, were even that much more disappointed by then-recently-past hostile segments she had run on her show about polygamy - even “slandering polygamists.” He still encouraged though “This may be something that we have to build up trust.” After about 24 minutes into this interview, the producer emphatically stated, “I completely understand where you’re coming from, I do.” They both then spent the next 25 minutes as the producer asked excellent questions and as Mark Henkel provided informative soundbites, all so that the producer could take such background information back to her executive producer to see how this project could move forward. This interview ended with the plan that they would speak together again at the beginning of the following week. (NOTE: She would instead conduct yet another interview later this same day, too, June 9, 2006. That subsequent interview will air in the next episode of this podcast). Ending positively, Mark Henkel said, “I have really appreciated this conversation.” The producer interjected, “Oh NO! Thank YOU. I have appreciated it as well. Very informative, and it has given me a lot of background.”
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for INSIDE EDITION with Deborah Norville by producer Erika Jones for their nationally syndicated TV show, on June 7, 2006. As the last cliffhanging episode of the first season of HBO's fictional show about Mormon polygamists, "Big Love," had concluded days earlier, the producer explained her intent. She said, "We would like to go inside a family, a sort of real-life 'Big Love' story." Mark Henkel explained how that was what he calls a "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.). She kindly asked if there were things that could be done to overcome this hurdle. Thus began this first of five interviews for this show. In this interview, Mark Henkel explained to the producer how she needs to have what is known as "plausible deniability." When the producer asked for clarity on what that means, Mark Henkel explained. When it comes to TV producers being subpoenaed by courts, there are certain things they must not ever know. He clarified, "If you don't know where somebody is, you can't say that you knew where they were" under oath in a court of law.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for CNN Anderson Cooper 360 by producer Diana Miller, on April 23, 2008. This was 20 days into the ongoing news cycle of the FBI raid on the FLDS cult in Texas on April 3, 2008. This hour-and-a-half long interview provides extensive information and soundbites. In the end, although the producer was positive and polite, the decision-makers at CNN only wanted a circus act (a "Circus Acts Request" - C.A.R.). Moreover, they only wanted this to be a taped interview. Mark Henkel insisted that he would have to be on a live-interview first before doing any taped interview with their network - because CNN would have to first build trust. At that time, it was 3 weeks into the news cycle about the FLDS; yet CNN had still not yet reported anything about actual and normal UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, or about the national movement's vehement opposition to the FLDS, Warren Jeffs, and all the underage crimes. So, Mark Henkel declined if it was only going to be taped for this first time. Yet, the producer was going to try to see what she could do. For soundbites, at one point, Mark Henkel even referred to the FLDS as "communist cult" because of the authoritarianism of any sect that allows some "leader" to make their decisions for them. Ultimately, CNN once again proved to live up to what Mark Henkel referred to as "manufactured news corporations," long before the term "Fake News" was applied to CNN by others over the next decade afterward. Still, the content of this interview is significantly insightful and educational.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was research-interviewed for PEOPLE magazine by a writer named Vicky, on March 23, 2006. Due to the big TV hit of the premiere of HBO's new fiction television series, "Big Love," that month, the writer requested to spend time with a polygamous family. Mark Henkel gently explained to her how that was what polygamists call a "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.) The genuinely friendly writer positively chuckled and understood it completely. Even so, the interview provides important soundbites and education about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy - even as Mark Henkel politely declined the specific request.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was research-interviewed for "The Lineup" on FOX News television (hosted by Kimberly Guilfoyle) by a producer named Don, on May 11, 2006. This occurred during the major news cycle when the new fictional show on HBO television, about non-cultic Mormon polygamists, called “Big Love,” trhat had just premiered weeks earlier in March, 2006. t appears that the producers of Kimberly Guilfoyle’s show were significantly hyped to do something "about polygamy" on their show that weekend. Two other producers from the same show, Mary Ragsdale and Michael Bloom, had also attempted making media requests of Mark Henkel that same week too. (They neither answered the phones when called nor called back from voicemail messages that were left for them.) In this interview with the producer who only identified himself as “Don,” Mark Henkel provided some helpful education. As the producer was not sure what he or the other producers wanted to exactly do, and as they seemed to want to be more sensationalistic, nothing else specifically resulted from this interview; no episode or segment was aired about it. Even so, Mark Henkel did provide some good soundbites and educational insights about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for "The Tyra Banks Show" by associate producer Arlene Wilkinson on July 24, 2006. This was a nationally syndicated daytime television talk show, serving an audience of mostly women, hosted by renowned supermodel and host/creator of "America's Next Top Model" show, Tyra Banks. (The show's name was also known as "The Tyra Show" and later as just "Tyra.") The producer was exploring options for doing an episode or a segment about polygamy, polyamory, or different things involving "poly" relationships. (Mark Henkel made a “poly” joke about plastic that made the producer laugh.) The producer asked her questions considerately and carefully, trying not to be insensitive in asking anything in an unkind manner, even while asking necessary questions. Mark Henkel was able to give her a positive and insightful education. He also made her laugh more than once. While she was seeking for a polygamous family to be willing to come on the show (i.e., what Mark Henkel has identified as a"circus act request"), she also asked Mark Henkel about what kinds of topical segments or show possibilities on which he or any family might be willing to appear. Knowing what kind of a woman-demographic to which this show was targeted, Mark Henkel said that they would not be willing to do a show with anti-polygamists or with other things such as polyamory, etc. He told her, "It would have to be our own show" - a show only about the marriage commitment of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Nothing developed later after this interview; instead, an episode on polyamory (and how that differs from polygamy) aired on October 9, 2006. Even so, now archived for history, this interview provides listeners with important soundbites and education from Mark Henkel.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Carlos Watson (for a non-aired pilot TV show) by associate producer Amanda Erickson for Dawn Syndicated Productions, on May 22, 2008. The producer sought to develop a pilot that would be presented to network executives to see if they would fund a new talk show to be hosted by former CNN personality, Carlos Watson. For this project, the producer made that which Mark Henkel politely identified as a "Circus Act Request" (C.A.R.) - requesting to put a polygamous family "on display" to make a show about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The discussion remained genuinely positive throughout the interview. Mark Henkel provided some great soundbites, including some attention-grabbing "hype" that the producer quite agreed was possibly helpful. As positive as this interview was, no subsequent project ever occurred.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "STOSSEL" on FOX Business Network (FBN) hosted by John Stossel, on March 4, 2010. The set-up featured John Stossel seated on the right, with Mark Henkel and Gretchen Carlson seated beside each on the left. Gretchen Carlson is the renowned TV personality and co-host (at the time) of her own separate television show, "FOX & Friends." (Note: years later, Gretchen Carlson stopped working for FOX after successfully filing sexual harrassment accusations against that employer.) The show was taped in New York before a live audience on February 24, 2010, the week before it aired. The entire episode was about modern-day "Prohibition" involving various segments such as drugs, prostitution, polygamy, and more. (Note: a decade later, many states had legalized marijuana.) John Stossel's topical purpose of this show's particular episode was to demonstrate how making things illegal is what causes more crime - just as America had learned from the alcohol "Prohibition" in the 1920s. At the very end of the show, John Stossel gace an eye-opening concluding-commentary to re-iterate the episode’s entire purpose, "I'd like to think that my body belongs to me." Gretchen Carlson represented the "opposing polygamy" perspective, focusing mostly on making the "slippery slope" argument. This "polygamy" segment also included two un-named polygamous wives, seated in the audience. One of the wives gave an eloquent re-statement of Mark Henkel’s frequent soundbite that polygamists are not after legalization, only de-criminalization. Back to the main stage, as Gretchen Carlson continued to attempt the "slippery slope" argument, Mark Henkel smilingly provided succinct, friendly, and powerful soundbites to overcome her attempted argument. Indeed, having done his preparation-homework about Gretchen Carlson herself, he was able to bring the "polygamy" segment to a jokingly and laughingly positive conclusion: he created a new soundbite on-the-fly that repeats a line that Gretchen Carlson herself had been shown in other videos over the years as repeatedly saying. Given the invite to have "he last word," she brought the "slippery slope" argument even way out to the silliness of "not-even humans.” John Stossel interjected to correct her that this segment was talking about adults. Mark Henkel then gave the new soundbite, applying Gretchen Carlson’s own known hands-to-temple gesture , asking, "Do we have to google the meaning of consenting adults?" She good-naturedly laughed, gave a knowing-smile to Mark Henkel, knowing that she had been gently comedy-roasted by him. She laughed,;John Stossel laughed; everyone laughed. (Listeners may get more details about this humorous soundbite at this online , "Marry Non-Humans? Funny TV Sound-bite Flattens Slippery Slope.") This interview was one of the most positive and friendly interviews that Mark Henkel had been fortunate to give.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for "Weekend America" on NPR, National Public Radio, Reporter Alex Cohen, on February 27, 2006. This hour-long interview occurred two weeks before the premiere of HBO’s fictional TV series, "Big Love." The reporter was looking to meet and spend time with a polygamous family. She sought to tape record numerous interactions in order to "put a human face on polygamy." Mark Henkel informed that, as friendly, positive, and polite as the reporter was in asking for this, the request was still close to what he calls a "circus act request." With that understood, he and she continued to see how they might find a way to do something for her show – especially because this was for a radio program. Knowing that the coming "Big Love" news cycle would generate massive publicity for months, the reporter was hoping to complete this project before that pending news cycle, with an intended airdate of March 11, 2006. The accelerated timeline of this project prevented it from being achieved. Nevertheless, this initial interview reveals the challenges posed for families in Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) in dealing with overall media that generally focuses more on seeking to put families on display rather than let the polygamy movement directly explain the issues affecting polygamists. The reporter was professional, honest, and sympathetic toward polygamists regarding how bad other media can be, and she certainly conducted herself with compassion. Hereby being archived for history, this important interview educates listeners of the hardships and issues of media "circus act requests" - whether by honest reporters as this individual one here or by more outright dishonest manufactured news corporations.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for "48 Hours" on CBS News, Producer Sarah Prior, on May 19, 2008, preparing a pending episode that later aired on May 27, 2008. This occurred during the news cycle that followed the April 3rd FBI raid in Texas of the FLDS, the Mormon-based cult led by criminal Warren Jeffs. During that news cycle, the manufactured news outlets decidedly chose to focus on that one cult's criminal activities involving underage marriage, pretending and purporting that Jeffs' crimes are "what polygamy is about." No matter how many times that Mark Henkel appeared in media to condemn such things as not being representative of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, numerous outlets in the corporate press mostly refused to report the actual truth; making-up and purporting news was more applied than reporting facts and whole context. Mark Henkel even identified such outlets as the "child-sx media" because of their craven obsession with the false misrepresentation. The content of this interview between the producer and Mark Henkel was, itself, excellent; the producer understood the importance and actuality of the education he provided to her; yet, the network still chose to ignore all that and to otherwise focus only on the criminals of the Mormon-based FLDS in its later segment titled,"Polygamy - World Apart." This podcast episode ends with an attempted subsequent phonecall to the producer's voicemail box, as she never called back ever again. The FLDS and their leader Warren Jeffs were indeed involved in real crimes that were always, adamantly, and loudly opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults.* The startling difference from this interview and the resulting segment wholly demonstrates how disconnected from facts and disconnected from the real story that the manufactured news corporations really are in their manufacturing of "fake news" - and it explains why Mark Henkel called such "reports" as "News Purports." Nevertheless, now archived for history, the this interview contains many important and educational soundbites.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for National Geographic Television, by Associate Producer Dana Kemp, on August 24, 2003, preparing to pitch for a segment on a developing episode for a second season of one of their programs. Six weeks before this interview, the U.S. Supreme Court had decided the Lawrence v. Texas decision of June 26, 2003. This interview was a follow-up to the first interview that been conducted two weeks previously on July 24, 2003. (That first interview used to be available for sale before it was later made freely available on Episode 43 of this podcast. With this new episode, this second interview is released for the very first time.) This 64-minute interview centered around how the producer could best pitch the segment to the higher-ups at National Geographic Television channel. She asked excellent questions, completely understood the importance of the standard of Love-not-Force, and was definitely sympathetic to the issues of persecution for Christian Polygamy and UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy). She even recognized how jealousy is a cultural, social indoctrination of expectation. Mark Henkel discussed how some of the families with the TruthBearer.org organization (he founded) could be willing to participate under some serious privacy protections. Listeners will find this positively conducted interview to be quite educational.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, with Ryan Smith as fill-in host, on Headline News TV network, on July 27, 2011. After being on Vinnie Politan's show twice the week before (with that main host himself), Mark Henkel appeared again the then-next week with a different fill-on host. As opening arguments in the FLDS' Warren Jeffs trial were set to begin within less than 24 hours of this segment’s broadcast, the fill-in host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show again to join a panel of another slate of three different guests. (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years). The segment focused on sensationalizing the so-called "lost boys" that the FLDS (Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints) reportedly would abandon. The anti-polygamists tried to allege that that cruelty to adolescent boys is supposedly “what happens in polygamy” because of the so-called "mathematics." This segment was extremely sensationalistic, as even the host, at one point, compared the situation to "terrorist organizations." Fortunately, the fill-in host did positively identify that Mark Henkel was not connected to the FLDS, Warren Jeffs, or any of the crimes. Mark Henkel then presented a vehemently strong response that normal, healthy, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) families around the country, not living in isolated sects, do not participate in underage marriage with girls and do not abandon boys as that horrendous idea of alleged “lost boys.” The third guest to speak was a professional anti-polygamist-for-profit who was so caught up in her propaganda to try to smear all polygamy that she did not even realize that she even undercut the statement of the second person who was not hostile to that anti-polygamist. Anyway, this segment reveals how the manufactured news corporations will sensationalize a story. It also demonstrates how necessary it is to have such an effective and strong positive polygamy advocate’s voice to be included in the segment discussion as well.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel appeared on Pat Robertson's show, "The 700 Club," on the Christian Broadcasting Network, CBN, on August 16, 2005. For history archiving purposes, Mark Henkel's taped appearance on this specific segment helped "made history." Namely, for the first time in history, a renowned Christian organization (The 700 Club), as led by a worldwide-known Christian leader (Pat Robertson), had publicly acknowledged "Christian Polygamy" as "evangelical Christians" on TV and even said the exact words of "Christian Polygamy" and "Christian polygamists." The two words "Christian" and "Polygamy" were no longer a supposed "contradiction in terms." History had been made indeed. For this segment, Mark Henkel had been previously "interviewed on tape" by a professional woman named Kim Bonney. To hear her lengthy interview with Mark Henkel, listeners will want to hear Episode 99 of this podcast, posted February 5, 2020. The final segment that aired on August 16, 2006 (despite a number of times being "bumped" from previously scheduled dates to air) was instead reported by David Brody. The scope of this segment unfortunately intended to scare its major Christian audience with the notion that the then-growing efforts to legalize same sex marriage would supposedly result in legalized group marriage, polyamory, and polygamy too. The premise - and especially the early part of the segment - initially focused more on salacious notions pertaining to group marriage and polyamory in order to indeed "scare" the network's Christian audience. The report included statements from many then-big names such as Stanley Kurtz ("conservative" lecturer and pundit), Maggie Gallagher (president of the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy), and David Frum (albeit famous among conservatives as a "faux conservative") - all to speak against such supposed "changes to marriage." Contrary to their opinions, the report also included statements from Elizabeth Emens (former University of Chicago Law School Professor), an unnamed then-President of the American Civil Liberties Union (claiming that the ACLU would "defend polygamy" – which never really happened as the ACLU ultimately remained silent regarding polygamy in the following decade to come), Robin Trask (editor for the polyamory magazine, Loving More), and of course, the one and only advocate for actual polygamy on the segment, Mark Henkel (Founder of the TruthBearer.org Organization for Christian Polygamy). As the concluding voice to make the final argument for polygamy, Mark Henkel was able to make a number of quick yet important soundbites in the segment, including his "circular argument of law and sin" soundbite. Most importantly, the reporter, in the end, genuinely treated the concept of Christian Polygamy itself separately yet surprisingly fairly. The reporter kindly and accurately introduced Mark Henkel with the following QUOTE that made history: "Polygamy has a range of defenders including some evangelical Christians. Mark Henkel is the founder of the Christian Polygamy organization, TruthBearer. Christian polygamists believe husbands are called to love their wives as Christ loves the churches." That introduction is repeated and looped a couple of times at the end of this podcast to demonstrate its profound history-making significance. Yes, with this segment, history had been made on August 16, 2005.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, on Headline News TV network, on July 22, 2011. The second interview that week, the host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show again to join a panel of three other guests. They were there to discuss the next then-pending trial of Warren Jeffs set to begin on the following Monday. (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years). All the panelists agreed that Jeffs was a criminal for the underage rape charges, and Mark Henkel clarified that Jeffs was always opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults. In this interview, Mark Henkel repeated the observation (from the day before) of how Warren Jeffs' court trial that Summer was being tried in "Tom Green County" of Texas - 10 years after Mark Henkel had previously been out in in the media speaking out against another underage criminal named, Tom Green.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner, for the Associated Press (the AP Newswire). This is a MUST-HEAR Inteview. On April 3, 2008, law enforcement raided the Eldorado Texas compound of the Mormon-based FLDS, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. For weeks, this raid was the ongoing "big story" for news organizations around the world. As most of those media outlets were routinely yet falsely labelling its leader, the criminal Warren Jeffs, as a supposed "polygamist leader," Mark Henkel had been working feverishly to clarify that Warren Jeffs was no such "polygamous leader" at all, to declare that Jeffs was loudly opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults, and to completely differentiate that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, has nothing to do with such cultic actions or crimes. The AP reporter had interviewed Mark Henkel several times over the previous years, and she was glad to conduct this interview as well. Giving numerous important soundbites, Mark Henkel also revealed how most of the media only manufacture news rather than report it. He stated how he plans to write his memoirs for archving historyas an expose of how irresponsible and anti-truth that the "manufactured news outlets" really are and how they so abused the polygamy movement this way. After detailing the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate, and after demonstrating how he is able to persuade Conservatives and Christians by using their own arguments (where Liberals cannot so persuade), Mark Henkel explained, "Liberals might not like hearing the arguments I make, but what I say to them is, BE QUIET! Or, one could be less polite and say, Shut Up! Stop arguing. Listen to this. The only way we're going to persuade Conservatives is with conservative arguments. So, BE QUIET. Let me explain it to them." The reporter interjected, "Liberals are not going to lose if they just keep their mouths shut." Mark Henkel replied, "Exactly!" That was just one of the numerous positive exchanges in this interview. As the reporter wrapped up the interview, she was clearly satisfied with the content she needed from it, saying, "This is all good stuff!"*
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel discussed the breach of agreement by and with Producer Aarne Heikkila and the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 22, 2006, three days after the show aired a report by Lester Holt, on March 19, 2006. Prior to that broadcast, Mark Henkel and the producer had conducted extensive negotiation together as conditions for producing the segment. (Three of those negotiation discussions have been previously posted to this podcast.) The polygamous family from the TruthBearer.org organization (which Henkel founded) had only agreed to be interviewed for the show with specific conditions, one of which being that the report would not be “all about” them, but centered around Mark Henkel, his organization, and the overall movement for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel had made these conditions mandatory due to the actions of another show, “Dateline,” on NBC-TV, that had previously mispresented polygamy horribly. The resulting TODAY Show segment that aired on March 19, 2006, still made the report solely about the family. That action was a direct and blatant breach of the agreement. Only because it as true that the aired-segment did at least treat the family positively, Mark Henkel still willingly indicated that the way to begin to heal that breach and to begin to restore trust with NBC-TV would be for them to work together and to thereby do a second report as originally agreed. The producer said that he needed a couple days to see what other options they could do. Nothing else was ever again produced or aired. After allowing 15 years to pass since this breach occurred, and because NBC-TV has made no correction, healing, or even effort over this period of 15 years, this discussion is now being made public for the archives of history (as directly authorized to Mark Henkel by the agreement for him to record and air any of such discussions). It also reveals why most of (what Mark Henkel calls) "circus act requests" made by other corporate media would later be denied, in terms of protecting families from this happening again. This breach, therefore, established the precedent that any media claiming to be “seeking families” would have to first abide and follow Mark Henkel's terms and conditions.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, for a report by Lester Holt, on March 19, 2006. As per the many discussions beforehand, this report was supposed to be about Mark Henkel, his TruthBearer.org organization, and the national polygamy rights movement. In the end, NBC instead made the report "all about" a polygamous family. While that family was from Mark Henkel's organization, there was no mention in the report of any such connection. Mark Henkel's appearance lasts no longer than 12 seconds. Lester Holt states, "As many as 100,000 Americans are believed to be living in plural marriages. But now with the buzz over HBO's hit series, 'Big Love,' and a growing political acceptance of same sex unions, polygamy activists are emerging, some calling it 'the next civil rights battle,' and the battle lines are being drawn." It then cuts to tape, listing "Mark Henkel, Founder, TruthBearer.org." Mark Henkel explains, "We're saying, get government out of the business of defining marriage altogether. And basically, let consenting adults choose their own contractual arrangements." Overall, the report presents itself kindly toward the family itself (and toward UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, in general), even though the family did not agree to be the main focus/subject. The segment also reports that the family was Christian, not connected to anything with Mormonism. After the segment ends, Lester Holt speaks (then-live) with Campbell Brown. She says to him, "And they seem like normal, like the person you'd run into in the grocery store." Lester Holt replies, "Very nice people, and you would never raise an eyebrow if you met them anywhere." She closes, saying, "All right. Much to think about." Notwithstanding that the segment was certainly kind, the breach of the agreement paved the way for tougher demands with all other media over the years afterward. This result became a strong lesson-learned. Breach notwithstanding, the report was positively presented; and it does indeed leave the viewer/listener with much to think about indeed.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Aarne Heikkila for Lester Holt for the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 15, 2006. The network had flown the producer and a TV crew to record the interview at a hotel in Portland, Maine, for a segment that would later air on March 19, 2006. On behalf of Lester Holt, producer Aarne Heikkila asked questions of Mark Henkel that would be used on a segment by the show's anchor Lester Holt. The producer asked questions that required lengthy answers while otherwise seeking to get sound-bite responses that he could use in the segment. HBO had just premiered its fictional series, "Big Love," that same month - the first of its kind about polygamists. This interview, however, focused on Christian Polygamy and the larger non-Mormon based UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The former had made the latter larger movement possible, even paving the way for such a show to even be considered. This interview contains many excellent sound-bites as well as comprehensive answers to commonly asked questions. This episode reveals the method of how TV producers do the actual leg-work of interviewing a topical expert while making the taped-interview appear on the later segment as though the main anchor himself conducted the interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 3of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on NBC-TV, on March 14, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview (the next day). This conversation was the third of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Mark Henkel had been requiring that it be written into the Agreement that the crew and producer (et al) would neither follow nor record anything else after the formal interviews. In the beginning of this third negotiation, the producer opened the negotiation by trying to get out of having to formally write that requirement. Mark Henkel used his negotiation skills to both initially and conditionally concede on that issue. Later, however, the producer brought up a separate issue of how media companies can be subpoenaed and gave the kind warning that both Mark Henkel and the polygamous family would have to be careful of what they say. This was a point that the producer said that his attorneys wanted to be known in advance by all concerned. Mark Henkel deftly utilized that point to get the producer in the negotiation to instead be the one to concede and to indeed formally add Mark Henkel’s aforementioned requirement to be written into the Agreement. This third and final step of three ended positively, just as the previous two steps had occurred in the preceding week. This essential discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk. It also reveals the example that Mark Henkel set in both possessing and bringing some essential negotiation skills to this process.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 2of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on on NBC-TV, on March 10, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview. This conversation was the second of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Because NBC had aired another show called "Dateline" that had made false associations about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, two years previously, Mark Henkel was clear that he was not going to tolerate any misrepresentation of the movement again. The purpose of the piece was to be about the movement, Mark Henkel, and the TruthBearer.org organization -not exclusively about the family from his organization. Mark Henkel explained, "This will be NBC's shot to repair the damage of Dateline two years ago, and we will report it, one way or another, how we are treated." The producer re-affirmed six different times, saying, "You are going to be in the piece, Mark." Mark Henkel allowed that such terms not have to be written (so that they could move forward without lawyer-delays), saying, "I am going to take you at your word." This second step of three ended positively, as well as the first step had occurred the day before. This essential discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk. It also reveals that Mark Henkel retained full authority to publish all aspects of this process, and it demonstates that the producer acknowledged that fact.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel's 1of3 negotiating with producer Aarne Heikkila for the TODAY Show on on NBC-TV, on March 9, 2006, to set terms for a taped interview. This conversation was the first of three steps to the negotiation for the terms and conditions of agreement for a taped interview with Mark Henkel and for another interview with one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization that he founded. The eventual segment was broadcast on March 19, 2006. Because NBC had aired another show called "Dateline" that had made false associations about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, two years previously, Mark Henkel was clear that he was not going to tolerate any misrepresentation of the movement again. When Mark Henkel was specifically limiting specific things for the terms and conditions, the producer countered them as supposedly not being necessary, saying, "You're free to say stuff like that when we interview you." Refusing to be misled by that argument, Mark Henkel insightfully and immediately replied, "Yeah, I'm free to say it; but whether you air it is another matter." The producer understood. The first step of three ended positively. This important discussion both educates and demonstrates the absolute necessity of holding media accountable when they want to "do stories" that can put people at risk.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Ed Tyll Show on Florida Man Radio, WDYZ 660AM / 105.5FM, in Altamonte Springs, Florida, on February 28, 2020. Over the previous decade, Mark Henkel had been a guest a number of different times on the host's past syndicated programs - each of which had always been positive interviews. For this interview, Mark Henkel was originally asked as a guest to discuss a new state law being passed in the Utah Legislature to reduce the charge of bigamy from a felony crime down to an infraction in cases of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, in which no other crimes occur. (NOTE: months after this interview, that law became fully passed and effective on May 12, 2020.) The Florida Man Radio station obviously targets a male demographic in the greater Orlando, Florida market. Along those lines, the host took the discussion toward a more physical direction of marital relations, although being neither vulgar nor salacious. In the middle of the interview, the host seemed to take the issue into a harsh and hostile direction as Mark Henkel continued to hold his own and to just keep the information focused. After the final break, Mark Henkel smilingly changed the tone of the conversation by offering some fun humor, bringing up the "Not tonight, honey, I have a headache" statement that husbands sometimes hear from wives. The host loved it and declared that Mark Henkel had "kicked the soccer ball" as the host's way of meaning that he had “nailed it” with such powerful insights. The interview proceeded quite positively from that moment forward. The host again declared how much he loved having Mark Henkel as a guest. At the end, the host even proclaimed, "God, I am having a great day today!" This interview provides an example of how Mark Henkel's professional, thoughtful, and intentional use of humor-on-purpose (in order to change the tone) to refresh the discussion was able to successfully bring the interview back to a positive (indeed, an extremely positive) ending. The host deserves credit and acknowledgement, too, for recognizing that and for joining with Mark Henkel in returning and restoring the discussion to the extremely positive conclusion.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Jiggy Jaguar Show, hosted by James Lowe (aka Jiggy Jaguar), in Hutchinson Kansas, on March 13, 2013, to discuss how the Roman Catholic institution's selection of its newest Pope Francis that same day might impact UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The host was both positive and generous in his praise and comments to Mark Henkel and UCAP polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on HLN Special Report with Vinnie Politan, on Headline News TV network, on July 21, 2011. The host had brought Mark Henkel onto the show to join a panel of two other guests. They were there to discuss the next then-pending trial of Warren Jeffs set to begin on the following Monday. (Jeffs was found guilty the next month, August 2011, to serve a sentence of life imprisonment plus 20 years). All the panelists agreed that Jeffs was a criminal for the underage rape charges, and Mark Henkel clarified that Jeffs was always opposed by the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults. In this interview, Mark Henkel made the renowned soundbite that observed how Warren Jeffs' court trial that Summer was being tried in "Tom Green County" of Texas - 10 years after Mark Henkel had previously been out in in the media speaking out against another underage criminal named, Tom Green.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on September 25, 2007. This was on the same day that the guilty verdicts were handed down against Warren Jeffs, cult leader of the FLDS, the Fundamentalist LDS. For the report she was writing, the reporter got the statement from Mark Henkel that families in Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, UCAP, were glad that that real criminal was finally going to prison. The interview also discussed the issue of how the "mainstream" LDS always get their special caveat added to AP articles (declaring that the LDS oppose polygamy) and how any referencing to "Mormon polygamists" seems to be prohibited by the LDS themselves when it comes to AP articles - all while not allowing the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults to declare its adamant opposition to Jeffs and his cult (who have never been part of the movement anyway). The discussion also included commenting on how Judge James L. Shumate (who is normally would have a lot more to say in his written judgments) did not seem to be so verbose in handing down this particular Decision.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "John Stossel Special Report" for "20/20" on ABC News, on July 18, 2008, during prime time television hours. The hour-long special looked into how big government over-reaches into what consenting adults do. This 7-minute segment, focusing on polygamy, made its fourfold-purpose clear. One, show that polygamy is not exclusively based on Mormon Polygamy (and that that idea is a myth). Two, show other forms of polygamy in a modern context. Three, show that UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) is about unrelated consenting adults making private choices of UCAP for themselves that work for them. Four, show that UCAP polygamy has nothing to do with criminals and cults that also supposedly "involve polygamy" as otherwise sensationalized and misreported by manufactured news corporations. Mark Henkel was identified as the "National Polygamy Advocate." The segment includes interviews with a Christian polygamous husband and two wives from the TruthBearer.org Organization that Mark Henkel founded. The episode also includes a separate polygamous family, a man with two of his four wives from the African Hebrew Israelites. As well, the episode presents an academic from the University of Georgia, Professor Patricia Dixon, explaining the positivity of the women's choice element for those who choose it. Peter Sprigg declared the Family Research Council's (FRC) anti-polygamy bias. Mark Henkel follows-up to that bias, making a powerful refutation to the assertion that polygamy is sup'osedly immoral: "If they're saying that that's immoral, they're calling the greatest heroes in the Bible they believe in — they're calling them immoral. They're saying that Abraham, with his three wives, was immoral. Jacob had four wives. David had seven known named wives before Bathsheba." This interview provides many excellent soundbites, including Mark Henkel's renowned "That's insane!" reference to Hugh Hefner's then-current popular reality TV show of "3 live-in girlfriends" that would otherwise make him a "criminal" if he actually married them. This episode is a must-hear presentation, and it is provided for the purpose of archiving for history. It is also presented in honor, legacy, and memory of both the husband and of one of his wives from the TruthBearer.org Organization who had both passed away only a few months apart in 2020.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was in-person interviewed by producer Kristina Kendall immediately after John Stossel had also interviewed him, for "20/20" on ABC News TV, on January 30, 2008, at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a "John Stossel Special" that would air on July 18, 2008. The producer needed to capture additional soundbites from Mark Henkel. She took questions that John Stossel had just asked him in the previous interview and continued to have Mark Henkel provide more brief and succinct responses. It is from this interview that the since-renowned "That's Insane!" soundbite was recorded. Mark Henkel also gave several other excellent soundbites in this final interview that did not get aired. The producer expressed her positivity repeatedly, exclaiming at separate times, "Good answer(!)," "Very good(!)," and "You're great(!)." From her pre-interviews (as previously broadcast in past podcasts) through this last interview here, the sincerity of these positive exclamations are both undeniable and further proven by the positivity of the resulting segment that aired later that year in the Summer of 2008. This is a "must-hear" interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was in-person interviewed by John Stossel, for "20/20" on ABC News TV, on January 30, 2008, at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a "John Stossel Special" that would air on July 18, 2008. Even as producer Kristina Kendall had prepared some of the topics for John Stossel to ask for this full-camera taping, he still asked questions in his own way, was interested and positive toward Mark Henkel, and even offered indirect suggestions on how Mark Henkel could consider answering questions that the show's audience would be able to understand. (For example, John Stossel suggested that many in his show’s audience might not know what "laissez faire" means, even as he said that he would agree with the term, himself. The producer said that they were looking to see Mark Henkel's passion on camera - which he both easily and unquestionably delivered. Mark Henkel offered numerous soundbites and education on many issues such as polygamists not having legal standing to sue media for libel or slander, as civil court judges exploiting anti-polygamy laws on the books to decree separation of unrelated consenting polygamous adults from even being near each other, as the "seeds and gardens" analogy of why we see fewer examples of people choosing polyandry, as the "10 men and 10 women" analogy, as the "Marital Marxism" soundbite, and as many more. It is from this taped recording that the soundbites of Mark Henkel were extracted for use in John Stossel Special's polygamy-segment that eventually aired that Summer 2008. This is a "must-hear" interview, archived for history and for all researchers of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. After John Stossel had completed this interview and had left the taping room, Mark Henkel remained, continuing to provide more on-camera answers with the producer to be used in the final product. That additional taped interview will be provided in the subsequent podcast following this one.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed a 2nd time by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on December 18, 2007. This was the first of 2 pre-interviews, in preparation for a subsequent taped-interview with John Stossel himself at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a “John Stossel Special” that would air on July 18, 2008. The producer was preparing a positive story about non-Mormon polygamy. This pre-interview includes preparations also made for recording some B-roll video with one of the UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) families in his organization, and also for ensuring that ABC would be flying him to that taping to protect the family as that would happen. The producer was completely committed to protecting the family and the integrity of this story. At one point, the producer even jumped in and exclaimed, "That's one of the most amazing things about your whole philosophy is that it's about complete choice." With this second of two pre-interviews, the subsequent podcast following this one will provide the actual interview with John Stossel himself.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was pre-interviewed by Kristina Kendall, producer for John Stossel, on "20/20" on ABC News TV, on November 21, 2007. This was the first of 2 pre-interviews, in preparation for a subsequent taped-interview with John Stossel himself at the ABC studios in New York City, New York, for a “John Stossel Special” that would air on July 18, 2008. The producer wanted to do a story about non-Mormon polygamy. She established right away that she knew and that she affirmed that she would first have to build a relationship of trust. Mark Henkel told her how the Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamists (UPCAPs) had actually “been waiting to hear from John Stossel” for this kind of segment. Mark Henkel gave the sound-bite comparing “CNN on the left and FOX on the right” manufacturing news product as if real news to “saying that MacDonald’s and Burger King sell health food.” Having been so let down by ABC’s past airing of misrepresentative manufactured news stories about polygamy over the previous years, Mark Henkel explained how differently that the TruthBearer.org organization perceived John Stossel’s actually-honest reporting. Mark Henkel shared that he and his organization chucklingly perceived John Stossel as a “diamond in a pile of pooh” - which generated laughter in the producer each time he said it. Earlier that year (2007), John Stossel had authored a new book, "Myths, Lies and Downright Stupidity: Get Out the Shovel - Why Everything You Know is Wrong." Mark Henkel said he had more than 10 such "myths, lies, and downright stupidity" about polygamy that he would be happy to share in an episode with John Stossel. This first pre-interview includes so many important sound-bites that the producer even had to stop to write some of them down. She mentioned how positively struck she was by the “love-not-force” standard being so respectful of women, that wives must equally consent. She particular liked Mark Henkel’s use of the “freedom of assembly” argument, affirming that John Stossel could agree with that frame of argument himself. So committed to doing this story, the producer at one point even proclaimed her response to the arguments, “I really think I completely agree.” This was the very first contact with producer Kristina Kendall; and, she definitely lived up to her promise (in this interview and over the subsequent weeks andmonths) to build a positive relationship of trust. Forthcoming episodes of this podcast will include the subsequent pre-interview, the taped interview with John Stossel himself, and more. All of these are must-hear interviews.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, former Development Producer for ABC News Productions, but still freelancing for them on June 10, 2006. In this (the third of three) interviews, the producer said that she was no longer full time employed by ABC News, that she worked for the History Channel instead, and that she was still able to write articles for major media such New York Sunday Times magazine, Glamour, and other print media. She still very much wanted to so something with Mark Henkel and this story. The interview referenced Mark Henkel's several experiences/observations with various personalities in the media, including Lester Holt of NBC-TV, Stanley Kurtz of The Weekly Standard, Albert Mohler of CrossTalk.com (who made the outrageous claim that supposedly "legalization of polygamy means the destruction of marriage"), and Karole Honas of KIFI-TV (who had been urprised by the story from a feminist angle). When Mark Henkel lamented the disappointing ordeal of when he and one of the polygamous families from the TruthBearer.org organization were on NBC's "The TODAY Show" (even though it was not a negative report), she again offered some more excellent insights and education about how TV media puts together their spots. Mark Henkel explained how the two wives in one of the organization's polygamous families had traded off working and caring for children with each other in both getting their college education. He said, "Talk about the ultimate feminist success story!" The freelance producer/writer exclaimed, "Right! To me, one of the banner headlines would be like, 'Is Polygamy Better for Women?" The question to me is not even, 'Is Polygamy Bad for Women?' The question is, 'Is Polygamy BETTER for Women?'" Happily embracing the fascinating and feminist angle of this non-Mormon-polygamy, the freelance producer/writer emphatically and politely wanted and invited further exploring into how she and Mark Henkel might put together a story with a wife of a polygamous family that she could write for one of the top major print media. Affirming that intent, she exclaimed, "I think it's a really good story."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, Development Producer for ABC News Productions, on March 3, 2006. Three months after a previous lengthy interview together, the producer positively kept seeking in this next interview to develop a working relationship of trust. She continued to make recommendations for getting polygamous families on TV. While she knew that that was not going to happen at that time, the producer remained genuinely professional, provided insightful education about how TV/media operates behind the scenes, and offered to write something for print media such as the New York Sunday Times and Glamour magazine (the latter for which she had a direct contact). This is the second of three comprehensive and important interviews with this very friendly media professional.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Peri Muldofsky, Development Producer for ABC News Productions, on December 13, 2005. In this comprehensive 90-minute interview, the producer sought information for development of a story about the TruthBearer.org organization and the new modern movement of Christian Polygamy (and beyond to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy). She had found it fascinating, as she had never heard about it before she learned of and surfed through the TruthBearer.org website. For her story development, she was initially hoping for families to go "on-air." Mark Henkel identified that idea as a “circus act request,” explaining, "The circus act does not work for us. It just hasn't (worked)." Remaining fully positive, the producer kindly sought to build a professional relationship (developing trust for the future), as she generously offered additional ways that this pro-woman, pro-family, non-Mormon form of polygamy could be given better media attention. She even offered to think more about it to see what else she could later recommend in a few weeks afterward. The producer even exclaimed, "Every single woman in America, every woman in her 30s who's looking for a man to make a commitment, can relate to this." With many of Henkel's important sound-bites and the producer's unsolicited education on how to additionally work the media, this episode is a must-hear interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Anderson McGregor, producer for The Alan Colmes Show, on FOX News Radio, on February 7, 2005 and several subsequent times through April 29, 2005. The initial media request sought for Mark Henkel to appear on The Alan Colmes Show on the next night. As other news broke, however, that original plan did not happen. This podcast episode includes 16 different phone calls, made over a period of almost 3 months, as the producer kept trying to find ways that would tie-in to current events, to have Mark Henkel be interviewed by Alan Colmes on the show. When the overwhelming "Terri Schiavo story" broke, they both tried to use the angle of a comprehensive article that Mark Henkel had written about the issue of marriage that applied to that story. That effort failed to succeed to get him on the show, as well. As neither the producer nor Mark Henkel was able to find a tie-in acceptable for the show to bring Mark Henkel on to talk about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, this series of telephone calls/interview ultimately ended up as being to no avail. Overall, Mark Henkel gave some important, excellent soundbites, though - from pointing out that it is actually "catholic moral relativism that created anti-polygamy," to making his humorous reminder, "Not everything takes place in Utah." In this important experiential episode, listeners will learn significant insights about what is involved in "trying to work the media."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jessica Rosenthal for a report she was preparing for FOX News Radio, on September 24, 2007. This was during the trial hearings of criminal Warren Jeffs of the FLDS. This interview includes many persuasive, essential soundbites. Mark Henkel said, "To connect all polygamists to Warren Jeffs is as slanderous and offensive as connecting all teachers to Mary Kay Letourneau." The reporter exclaimed, "Huh! That IS a great soundbite!" Mark Henkel clarified and called out the "illusion that the media continues to portray, and that is, that only practicing polygamists want polygamy rights. There IS a polygamy rights movement of vast quantities of people around the country who want the freedom to do so. And just because they might not practicing, it doesn't mean they don't want that freedom." He also called out the manufactured news corporations for not letting the story be told: "CNN and FOX, liberal vs conservative, it's like saying McDonald's vs Burger King offer health food. It's just not true. You don't tell the truth about us." After then failing to trap Mark Henkel in a would-be contradiction about same sex marriage, the reporter asked, "So then you'd be okay with a father marrying his daughter." Mark Henkel instantly exclaimed, "I said consenting adults! Why why why is polygamy - See? This is the problem we have. You continue to put it back into propaganda. We are saying, 'consenting adults.' I will say 'consenting adults' to you 10 times, and you'll still come back to me like we somehow support underage. No we don't!" The Reporter installed apologetically backed off and admitted that it was the only alternative of "unacceptable" she thought of, conceding, "I see your point." The interview proceeded positively. Before both said friendly goodbyes, Mark Henkel quickly repeated one last time, "Remember, we oppose Jeffs, and we always did." The reporter immediately replied in a friendly tone, "Ok Got it. I wrote that down. I did." With so many excellent soundbites, this interview is certainly an important "must-hear" one.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel on Live Talk Radio with host Branden Rathert, on News Radio 1620 AM WNRP, in Pensacola, Florida. As same sex marriage was just then legalized in Florida, Mark Henkel was brought back on to the show (as a previous guest in past years) to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The host asked his audience: Which of those two types of marriage do they find more abhorrent? Mark Henkel explained that the modern UCAP polygamy movement is actually a pro-woman's choice movement. When the host referenced two different reality TV shows about polygamy as being "weird," Mark Henkel clarified that those reality TV shows involved only Mormon polygamous families. Mark Henkel explained that Mormonism's excusive "pre-existence of souls" doctrine calls for women to have as many children as possible; but that means that other UCAP families, those who do not come from the Mormon paradigm, do not follow that Mormon doctrine and thus, typically, will not have the "herds and herds of children" that one might see in Mormon polygamous families. The host chuckled at the "herds of children" reference.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persisted again with Jennifer Dobner of the Associated Press (the AP Newswire), on February 1, 2007. This was in response to a then-proposed bill, HB 2009, introduced by Rep. David Lujan, D-Phoenix, in Arizona, that sought to prohibit judges from granting custody to a parent who engages in "child bigamy" unless the judge determines that no threat exists to the child. In addition to trying to present the national movement's response to the bill for then-future AP-articles in that news cycle (and to address the falsely-worded idea of supposed "fleeing polygamy"), Mark Henkel was also again persisting to get the needed clarification in the AP Stylebook to include the necessary differentiating adjectives (such as "Mormon polygamy").
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Newsmax TV news show, MidPoint, with host Ed Berliner, on January 19, 2015. This network claims to be a conservative media outlet serving a conservative audience. The host introduced the topic with reference to a standard "slippery slope" statement by Senator Lindsey Graham, in a Senate committee hearing considering President Barack Obama's nominee for Attorney General, Loretta Lynch - that if same sex marriage can be legalized, so must polygamy. Mark Henkel answered the question with the perfect answer to easily persuade any actual conservative: limited government, the polygamy rights win-win solution. When asked if polygamy was still illegal, Mark Henkel again gave another perfect answer to easily persuade any actual conservative, even using his humorous sound-bite of the "liberal activist judges of the 1878 Supreme Court in the Reynolds v. United States case." The host then began what seems to be planned speech using wild hyperbole, such as claims of how polygamy supposedly is evil." As the host began the speech, someone at the network disconnected the skype access to Mark Henkel. The host's seeming speech sounds extremely prepared for suggesting this "disconnection" was supposedly a surprise. When Mark Henkel called back by phone, someone at the network disconnected that too. All the while, the host continued the same seemingly planned and prepared speech, saying that "someone, maybe a higher power" stopped the interview as if it was somehow something miraculous (or God-ordained). The host continued the seemingly prepared speech, asserting the supposed "slippery slope" argument of how polygamy is supposedly "so evil" 0- while conveniently not empowering Mark Henkel to eplxain otherwise. While the host purported that they would bring Mark Henkel back in a future interview, the network had still not done so even more than years later.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The National Post, a national Canadian newspaper out of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, on July 16, 2001, by a Reporter named, Nate. Just under 1 hour and 20 minutes, this interview was conducted in the pre-9/11 era of the Tom Green trial and sentencing. This was one of the earlier media interviews, back when collecting details for each one was still being learned and systematized. This comprehensively educational interview provided Mark Henkel's explanation of "the Tom Green problem" and the "daddy-daughter dynamic," Henkel's soundbite that "Christian polygamy does not mean Mormon Polygamy and polygamy does not mean Mormon," the history of the Christian Polygamy movement, the several Biblical argumentations, Henkel's separate home church unconnected to the movement, the history of early polygamy websites in the movement (and against it) back then when the first original owners owned such sites, the emergence of force polygamy and how the standard of love-not-force solved that problem, and so much more. Mark Henkel even delineated the ancestries of Moses' two wives (the Shemitic Abrahamic Midiantess and the Hamitic Cushite wife). As well, Mark Henkel gave a soundbite lyric from a song he had written back then, saying, "Too many Mommies, all alone / Raisin' babies, no daddy at home." Henkel also declared, "The Tom Green case is really as destructive for us as Tim MacVeigh was for the militia movement." Mark Henlel gave the historic soundbite, "The problem that Tom Green is creating is the potential of the anti-polygamist propaganda that is about to unleash a reign of terror on good, solid, polygamous families that are not configured in any way like the Tom Green case." Lastly, Mark Henkel concluded, "We want to get the word out that polygamy does NOT mean what these things are." The Reporter replied, "You've done a very good job of that, getting out the word to me, anyway." Repeating that same sentiment a number of times throughout the interview, the Reporter concluded emphatically saying, "I very much appreciate talking to you, Mark. It has been extremely illuminating."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on "The Me And Vinnie" show with host, Vinnie Politan, on January 19, 2010. The host occasionally shared the mic with the show's "newsman," Michael Billy. The purposes of the interview sought, generally, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and, specifically, to discuss how the then-ongoing Perry v. Schwarzenegger case in California which was then-seeking to overturn Proposition 8 might impact polygamy rights. (Prop. 8 was a referendum passed by 52% of California voters in November 2008, amending the California State Constitution to add the following amendment, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.") From the start of the interview, the host made it clear, saying, "I am pro-choice" as long as the polygamy involves consenting adults. He asked many good questions which provided opportunities for Henkel to offer more of his repeated, known sound-bites. Henkel also explained polygamy in the Bible. The host's fellow "newsman" wanted to take religion out of the argument for marriage, citing how his fellow activists for same sex marriage sought to persuade scientific sources to advance the "born that way, not a choice" argument for getting same sex marriage approved (legally and socially). The "newsman" then said, "You can't argue that polygamists are born that way... "It's called being a guy, isn't it?" Henkel did not accept that "pseudo-science" of the "born that way" argument because, as he said, it denies human choice based on genetics. Thereby, Henkel agreed that polygamists would not use that argument of such "pseudo-science." The discussion also asked how government could even construct legal rights for polygamists, as both the host and the "newsman" focused on the special rights that legally married people get from government and "how complicated" it would be for applying them to polygamy. Henkel gave the loaded sound-bite, "It only gets complicated by getting into bigger and bigger government... We have corporation law, partnership law, and we have differentiation of corporation: from profit, non-profit, and sub-chapter s. We could simply create a corporation law" for polygamy. The host humorously interjected, using his own name, "The Politan Family Corporation!" The host concluded the interview, asking about the impacts on the children of UCAP polygamy families. Henkel responded with the powerful sound-bite, "This is not a flinging thing, but rather a commitment thing. So, this is an opportunity for children to thrive. The issues that are negative for children are the tyranny of law against it." In the end, Henkel, the host, and the "newsman" were in positive agreement about rights and freedom for Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. (NOTE: Later that year, on August 4, 2010, a US District Court overturned that "Prop. 8" of Perry v. Schwarzenegger. The original Petitioners of Prop. 8 subsequently appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and then on up to the Supreme Court in the case re-named as Hollingsworth v. Perry. Ignoring any merits entirely, the Supreme Court, on June 26, 2013, remanded the case on a technicality of "legal standing," bringing the final decision-result to being the original District Court's decision of Perry v. Schwarzenegger 2010.)
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Emily Friedman for ABC News on September 13, 2007. The reporter was respectful and positive throughout this 40-minute interview, even enjoying mutual laughter together. Mark Henkel provided her with an extensive education about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the various forms, i.e., Christian Polygamy, Mormon Polygamy, Jewish Polygamy, Muslim Polygamy, and Secular Polygamy. He detailed numerous Biblical argumentations used by the new Christian Polygamy movement, explained the adamant opposition to criminals and cults (such as Tom Green, Warren Jeffs and the FLDS), and offered many important soundbites. He even gave his renowned soundbite about the powerful lesson from Orwell's book, "1984," regarding how people often "commit an act of insanity in order to keep their sanity." This episode is certainly one of the more succinctly informative interviews for those seeking a helpfully definitive education on the topic.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was POST-interviewed on November 27, 2006, AFTER an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire) published nationwide on November 24, 2006. This MUST-HEAR Interview is the third of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner. This interview discussed Mark Henkel's reaction and feedback on the interview, noting his observation of the need to help correct the AP Stylebook on the issue of reporter's needing to be allowed to differentiate "Mormon Polygamy" as a term, because of the mainstream "Mormons controlling the AP Stylebook." Mark Henkel gave the sound-bite, "The problem is, because the Mormon institution is controlling the definition, you can't say 'Non-Mormon Polygamist' because you can't say 'Mormon Polygamist.'" This point re-affirmed the connection to the past interviews, over the previous several months, with this same AP Reporter, in which Mark Henkel had persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS. This 3rd of these 3 podcast audios here reveals the friendly, professional, and even mutually laughing rapport between the reporter and Mark Henkel. The Reporter agreed that it made sense to move forward in exploring how to get such accuracy changes into the AP Stylebook, for the purpose of ensuring better brevity. She said, "It is a quagmire, I agree... ...I think it's a valid point... ...That's a really good suggestion, I'm writing it all down." She later concluded, "Everything you say is good fodder for another story."* For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to the 1st and 2nd of these three podcast audios, posted in the previous 2 podcast episodes before this one.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed again on November 19, 2006, for an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire). This MUST-HEAR Inteview is the second of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner. Over the previous several months, Mark Henkel had conducted numerous interviews with AP Reporter Jennifer Dobner. He persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy,* normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS. Finally, the reporter's bosses allowed her to write something about it. The article was originally planned to be published over the weekend of November 18 or 19, 2006. But as the Warren Jeffs hearings were set to conclude days later on Tuesday, November 21, 2006, the article was pushed back a week to be able add material based on that last hearing. This 2nd of these 3 podcast audios here is an hour long. This interview reveals the professionalism, comprehensive knowledge, humanity, compassion, even the empathy of both Mark Henkel and the Reporter. This also includes many excellent sound-bites. For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to both the 1st and the 3rd of these three podcast audios, posted in the subsequent 2 podcast episodes before and following this second one.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was photographed on November 14, 2006, for an article by the Associated Press (the AP Newswire). This is the first 1 of 3 podcast audios regarding this article written by Reporter Jennifer Dobner. Over the previous several months, Mark Henkel had conducted numerous interviews with AP Reporter Jennifer Dobner. He persistently and repeatedly sought to get the AP Newswire's reports to clarify that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, normal pro-polygamists around the country, had never (and always have never) had anything to do with the criminals or cults such as Warren Jeffs and the FLDS. Finally, the reporter's bosses allowed her to write something about it. The article was originally planned to be published over the weekend of November 18 or 19, 2006. But as the Warren Jeffs hearings were set to conclude days later on Tuesday, November 21, 2006, the article was pushed back a week to be able add material based on that last hearing. This 1st of these 3 podcast audios here presents the discussions by which the Associated Press photo shoot of Mark Henkel (in an "environmental portrait") was arranged with AP Photographers Doug Pizak (Salt Lake City, Utah) and Joel Page (Portland, Maine), specifically for this then-pending article. For more information about these 3 audios, listeners will want to be sure to also listen to both the 2nd and the 3rd of these three podcast audios, posted in the subsequent 2 podcast episodes following this first one.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Overnight America, hosted by Ryan Wrecker, on KMOX NewsRadio 1120, in St. Louis, Missouri, on March 4, 2020. The interview had been originally scheduled to focus on bigamy laws in general and on the then-new law that was being passed in Utah that reduced the charges of bigamy from a felony to an infraction for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The host began gaslighting from the beginning, mocking in doubt that the "purported clause" in bigamy laws really threatened anyone. After hearing different forms of polygamy identified, the host asked specifically about Christian Polygamy. As Mark Henkel explained how the Christian Polygamy movement made it possible for the overall larger UCAP movement, Henkel explained how Christians come to find the former. Henkel explained the common experience of a number of Christians in numerous, various denominations: "When you really study the Bible, you discover it is an absolute impossibility to say that you believe in the Bible and that the Bible bans polygamy." From that point on, the host sought to continually gaslight or to try to trap Mark Henkel in specific answers. When Mark Henkel showed that the Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matthew 25:1-13 provided an example of the sinless Jesus Christ proverbially describing himself in polygamous terms, the host repeatedly gaslighted as if that obvious example of a polygamous wedding still somehow had nothing to do with polygamy, not even proverbially. Observing those tactics being attempted, Mark Henkel declared that he could see those would-be traps that the host was trying to set and that he would not be so trapped. He gave his sound-bite example that demonstrates how such traps work: "Have you finally stopped beating your loved ones with a jagged two-by-four, yes or no?" After hearing the host's repeated interruptions of "where in the New Testament" questions, Mark Henkel used his "airplane" soundbite to show the illogic. The host refused to get back on the main topic of law. Instead, the host consumed the rest of the time on gaslighting the Biblical issues to slander Mark Henkel, to repeatedly call him crazy, and even to tell the audience that the host believed that Mark Henkel was "one of those people" who deliberately misleads people with mis-readings of Scripture; the host repeatedly emphasized that that was "so dangerous." After the interview, the host took back-patting callers and he used that to directly slander Mark Henkel. Hearing the continued discussion online in real-time, Mark Henkel tweeted how the host had put words in his mouth again. The host read the tweet on-air and then re-played previous audio which actually proved that Mark Henkel was correct about the host's falsehood - yet the host still gaslighted otherwise. As such, seven additional minutes have been added to this podcast episode in order to re-wind and re-play the spoken parts, full quoted contexts, and the mentioned twitter thread (see: https://twitter.com/MHenkelPolygamy/status/1235418614418661378 ). This additional ending portion of the podcast episode proves that, not only were the host's gaslighting efforts evident, and not only were the host's claims false regarding what Mark Henkel had said, but those statements by the host might even likely be legally-pursuable as charges of slander. Consequently, this hostile interview has been transformed into an attention-grabbing yet positive exposition. This is a must-hear interview!
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persisted with Jennifer Dobner, on September 15 and 17, 2006, to find a way to reach different Associated Press state offices when national news cycles emerge that pertain to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. This was in response to the national news cycle that Nevada's US Senator Harry Reid had called for a federal investigation into all polygamous families in the Western States on September 12, 2006. Jennifer Dobner was from the Utah AP office and did not do work on those stories as it pertained to Nevada, although she did tend to be the de facto interoffice-source when other AP state offices needed information about polygamy. This interview reveals how the Manufactured News system was not conducive to allowing actual news & stakeholder sources of the topic (herewith, polygamy on the national level) to be included in national stories directly about their topic. The reporter was friendly and was sincerely trying to find a solution, though.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jeff Inglis, the Managing Editor for The Portland Phoenix newspaper, in Portland, Maine, on November 13, 2009. This interview occurred 10 days after Maine voters, by a "People's Veto" referendum in a mid-term election, repealed a new same sex marriage law. (NOTE:, same sex marriage later became legalized "again" in Maine by the nationwide US Supreme Court decision of Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015). For all of this, Mark Henkel had written an op-ed about how the law was neither about "Marriage Protection" nor about "Marriage Equality," and he was waiting for whether the statewide daily newspaper (Portland Press Herald / Maine Voices) would publish it. The Portland Press Herald's new owner/CEO and Editor Richard Conner refused to publish it. (That Summer, Conner had replaced the then-terminated previous Editor John Porter. Two years after that, Conner himself, also left the, being accused by the same newspaper for misusing over $530,000 of company funds for his own personal use.) Conner’s refusal thereby opened the opportunity for the weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix, to show "the article that the Press Herald was too afraid to publish." The Managing Editor of this weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix, loved this idea. In this interview, Mark Henkel exposed the “positive but passive aggressiveness” of The Portland Press Herald's main conservative opinion writer Michael (M.D.) Harmon who knew of Henkel for the previous 3 years, yet never once allowed Henkel to be reported or to be published), the hypocrisy of the Portland Press Herald’s main liberal opinion writer Bill Nemitz (who directly knew about Mark Henkel with a press kit and yet still acted as if Henkel did not exist, even while writing a story very similar to one of Mark Henkel’s known soundbites), and the outright hateful bigotry of same sex marriage advocate Mary Bonauto (who publicly had made highly bigoted-statements about unrelated consenting adult polygamy, and who also would later be one of the attorneys who presented before the US Supreme Court for the Obergefell v. Hodges Decision of June 26, 2015, that legalized same sex marriage nationwide). Mark Henkel explained how the article offered the solution by which either losing side in the same sex marriage can go forward, save face, and achieve a win for all sides: The Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution. He explained that, as the politically liberal side had then just lost the "People's Veto" vote 10 days previously, he recommended that they should actually learn from Mark Henkel's arguments to instead "use conservative arguments to persuade conservatives." Mark Henkel provided numerous soundbites and educational points. Also, the interview flow and mood was very friendly, respectful, and even fun with both Henkel and the Managing Editor laughing a number of times - all making this a must-hear interview. The Managing Editor of The Portland Phoenix* published Henkel’s article that next week, the one that the Portland Press Herald had been too afraid to publish. This provides another example of how the big Manufactured News Corporations do not report the news, but they instead decide what they will and will not let the public read or even learn about in their media sources.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for the Opinion Page Editor John Porter to publish an article in the Portland Press Herald, starting on February 11, 2009. The Maine newspaper had, 2 years previously, reported about Mark Henkel. Later that coming Spring of 2009, the Maine State Legislature was preparing to make a law to make Maine the 5th State to legalize same sex marriage. Mark Henkel was seeking to show a "third way," the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate. Mark Henkel had first spoken with the newspaper's "Maine Voices" Editor Michael (M.D.) Harmon who had passed it off with a recommendation that Mark Henkel instead pursue the matter with his next-up-the-line editor, John Porter. John Porter sounded like he would consider a 700-word op-ed instead. He said that he did not think that polygamy was somehow "relevant" or even "controversial" to be part of the debate (revealing how the Manufactured News Corporations do not really allow full debate or anyone to be heard on issues they control). But John Porter did say that he would "shop it around" (even to his own boss) when Mark Henkel would later send the article to him. Mark Henkel called back a few times in April, 2009, even on the day before his live appearance at the Maine Public Hearing for the pending same sex marriage law on April 22,2009. By April 28, 2009, it seemed possible that the newspaper would finally publish it. (On a side note, later that year, 2009, when the newspaper was bought, placing it under new ownership, John Porter would be removed from his top-dog newspaper editorship to instead go work as a spokesman for a local internet company. In that following Fall of 2009, the opponents of the newly-passed same sex marriage law were gearing up for a statewide referendum to repeal it with a "People's Veto." Mark Henkel would continue to reach out to the Portland Press Herald and its new top-dog editor to publish this timely relevant article. The "People's Veto" subsequently passed, which in turn, repealed the then-new-but-thereafter-repealed same sex marriage law in Maine. On June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court Decision, Obergefell v. Hodges, determined that same sex marriage was thereafter to be legalized in all 50 States. ) In the end, the Portland Press Herald still chose to hide the article from their readership, which instead was later published in a different newspaper in Portland.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for Jennifer Dobner to make a regular clarification for articles in the Associated Press (the AP newswire), reaching her on September 8, 2006. --Part 2 of 2.-- One week previously, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List, the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested. For that week, Mark Henkel persisted for Jennifer Dobner to include a clarifying statement that the national polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults has always opposed that cult leader and criminal, were glad that he was caught, and both loathe and do not participate in those crimes. This is Part 2 of 2 recordings that show how Mark Henkel was able to begin getting this essential clarification made. The reporter said, "The New York Editors don't care." Mark Henkel said that it was looking like "the AP is not Associated Press but is the Associated Propaganda." He also used the comparative metaphor of a media in the 1950s and 1960s reporting on some singularly local gang of African American men "raping a white girl" but refusing to clarify in their news reports about it, making it look like all African American men do that, and when national-level leader Martin Luther King Jr. repeatedly asked the media to clarify that the violent gang of criminals are adamantly opposed by everyday normal African Americans too, the media refused to do so. He explained that that is what the manufactured news outlets are doing to polygamists with this story by not adding Mark Henkel's clarification. The reporter said that she had understood and she positively worked for a way to include a clarification. Subsequently, when she was finally able to get the beginning of such clarification past her editors, Mark Henkel followed up with a call left as a voicemail to thank her and keep it progressing - which is included at the end of this audio.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel persistently sought for Jennifer Dobner to make a regular clarification for articles in the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on September 6 and 7, 2006. --Part 1 of 2.-- One week previously, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List, the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested. For the following week, Mark Henkel persisted for Jennifer Dobner to include a clarifying statement that the national polygamy rights movement for unrelated consenting adults has always opposed that cult leader and criminal, were glad that he was caught, and both loathe and do not participate in those crimes. This is Part 1 of 2 recordings that show how much effort Mark Henkel made in trying to get this essential clarification made in future AP articles. (Part 2, which will begin at the subsequent phone conversation made on the following morning of September 8, 2006, will be posted next week.) In this recording of Part 1, the frustrated reporter even explained that she could not promise that her work-superiors would let such clarifications through, even if she could get them into her articles. She even declared, "My bosses don't care" (about such things).
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Chatelaine, leading Canadian women's magazine from Toronto, Ontario, on October 17, 2007. Having seen a then-recent article about Mark Henkel in another Canadian magazine (MacLean's), the writer Chris Dafoss (correct spelling not known) wanted to do an article (due to be published in the following Spring) from the angle of polygamy's growing acceptance. Mark Henkel differentiated the Mormon-based group in Bountiful, Canada, from other forms of polygamy, such as Christian polygamy and Secular polygamy. When the writer first guessed that Christian polygamy was "Old Testament based," Mark Henkel provided the clarity to her that that was definitely not the case, that Christian polygamy is "New Covenant based Christianity" based on all the Bible. This 50-minute interview is a comprehensive interview, providing several answers to many frequently asked questions about polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave a statement to Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on August 31, 2006. Two days earlier, the fugitive on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted List, the cult leader of FLDS, Fundamentalist LDS, Warren Jeffs, had been caught and arrested. As both the FBI listing and the reports from most of the news organizations associated that cult criminal with polygamy, the TruthBearer.org organization (founded by Henkel) issued a press release, distributed that same day (August 29, 2006) to the media through Pro-Polygamy.com, explaining, "Pro-Polygamists Glad that Fugitive Warren Jeffs was Caught." Mark Henkel kept phonecalling the AP over those next two days to reach Jennifer Dobner. He made sure that she would get the statement. Jennifer Dobner confirmed that she should be able to use it in order to report the differentiation that Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, UCAP, is not the same as the FLDS or (eventually convicted) criminal Warren Jeffs - and especially that normal pro-polygamists were even glad that the criminal was finally caught.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on "Hogue in the Morning" on AM1380 KTKZ, in Sacramento, California, of the Salem Radio Network, on April 4, 2006. After the premiere of HBO's then-new fictional TV show, "Big Love," this consvertive radio show made a media request to discuss polygamy on air, live. After Mark Henkel's repeated attempts to reach them by telephone (despite the fact the the show was the originator of the media request), and being told that they were out of time more than once while the producer kept the pre-interview calls going long, etc., Mark Henkel became aware during the 2 pre-interview phonecalls that the show could be more hostile than they were sounding. After Mark Henkel declared that he was not interested in doing that kind of interview, producer Matt Bisiaux assured him, "We are not going to sandbag you, we're not going to namecall you. We're not that kind of show." He explained that the host was a Christian himself and that both the show and the network were mostly Christian too. The actual on-air-interview begins after 32 minutes into this recording., and it proved that Mark Henkel's awareness was correct. The host , Eric Hogue, immediately began as sarcastic and clearly went on the attack from the beginning, putting words into Mark Henkel's mouth which the latter vehemently denied but corrected. As Mark Henkel would try to answer questions, the host repeatedly cut him off and re-worded what he said with self-evident falsehoods. At one point, Mark Henkel used a positive statement with which any serious Christian would be familiar, saying to host Eric Hogue, "In the name of Jesus Christ, is this man willing to listen? Are you willing to listen?" The host, betraying his claim of being Christian, then exlaimed back, "Wow! Did you just put a hex on me?" (Actual Bible-studying Christians immediately recognize what that exchange reveals, as no Christian would think that that was hex! God forbid.) By the end, the host's hostile fighting descended into his outrageous and invented idea that supposedly husbands would ever somehow be "disciplining" their wives. Mark Henkel responded to this offensive suggestion with the powerful concluding soundbite, "You're thinking from the gutter instead of listening to maturity."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on July 26, 2006. This brief discussion focused on the media problem within the "Mormonland Bubble of Utah/Arizona," and how AP articles (which covers a much larger audience than that local area) were still not making the necessary descriptive differentiations to accurately clarify and disassociate criminals such as the FLDS as not the same thing as normal Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP) families. The writer even acknowledged, "You make a good point - that I could be adding this other stuff," and later confirmed, "I don't necessarily disagree with you."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, a 3-hour show hosted by Robert Jetter Jr., with a round-table of the show's additional Conservative and Christian co-panelists, on October 24, 2019. This was a comprehensive interview that covered so many different issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. During this interview, Mark Henkel first came up with the "No dog in the fight" soundbite as well as first mentioned his observation of what he calls, "#ImposerVsImposer politics" - by which an Imposer always wins no matter which "side" gets elected, all while leaders of both "sides" keep us all divided into tribalism fighting each other. At one point, one of the specially invited co-panelists, a doctor, began arguing with Mark Henkel about Biblical Polygamy. At 2 hours and 30 minutes into the interview, the host briefly went into other unconnected political topics, but he brought Mark Henkel back for concluding comments at 2 hours and 48 minutes. "We're just asking for freedom. We're not asking to impose on you. We're not even asking for legalization." The woman co-panelist concluded, asking if Mark Henkel would be willing to later be a guest on her own show too (to which Henkel positively said, "Yes"). The host concluded, asked Mark Henkel to keep him and the show updated into the future.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jeff Inglis, the Managing Editor for The Portland Phoenix newspaper, in Portland, Maine, on October 29, 2009. This interview occurred during the week before a mid-term election, in which voters in the State of Maine would be voting on a "People's Veto" to repeal the then-recently-passed new same sex marriage law. (It was repealed on November 3, 2009. Even so, same sex marriage later became legalized "again" in Maine by the nationwide US Supreme Court decision of Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015). For all of this, Mark Henkel had written an op-ed about how the law was neither about "Marriage Protection" nor about "Marriage Equality," and he was waiting for whether the statewide daily newspaper (Portland Press Herald / Mane Voices) would carry it. If not, this could be an opportunity for the weekly newspaper, The Portland Phoenix, to show "the article that the Press Herald was too afaid to publish." The Managing Editor loved this idea. This interview with him had many good soundbites, including how the law being voted on was supposed to be all about, "equality for all, equality for all, equality for all - except unrelated consenting adult polygamists." Commenting about the public debate which had aired on local television the night before about the pending "People's Veto" vote, in which the side opposing the repeal (i.e., being for same sex marriage) actually used terms of cruel bigotry when addressing the polygamy question, Mark Henkel explained that the debater's defaulting to false stereotypes of polygamy was as bigoted and offensive as saying that "all gay men want sex with boys." Mark Henkel re-iterated that the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate is "the intellectual solution to end this war" for all sides and stakeholders. Agreeing to speak again two weeks later, the Manageing Editor ended with the following request regarding the status of Mark Henkel's still-unpublished op-ed, "Keep me posted on the thing with the Press Herald. I love that stuff. Let's see how the election goes."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on June 29, 2006. The discussion involved the breaking news that a Utah group of anti-polygamists called "Tapestry Against Polygamy" had got into trouble with their non-profit status and failing to report all of their donations. This interview includes Mark Henkel's "using a bandaid with a chainsaw" soundbite to describe the tactics of that small Utah-local anti-polygamist group of hurting former members of specific Mormon-based cults. Mark Henkel noted how that local group had, years previously, refused his (non-Mormon) organization's offer to help, and the group instead insisted on choosing the propaganda route of smearing all polygamists by their singular anecdotes of tragic experiences in local Mormon cults. Mark Henkel noted that, by their propaganda-logic then, "if they live by the sword, die by the sword" of their over-generalization approach to propaganda - their flawed logic which he said more than once, "is, of course, absurd."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Scarborough Country, hosted by Joe Scarborough on MSNBC, on March 28, 2006. Talking about the groundbreaking premiere of HBO's "Big Love," fictional series about Mormon Polygamists, two other guests also appreared in this segment, Megan Basham of Townhall.com and Dina Sansing of US Weekly. The former, as a writer for a conservative website, tried to suggest that polygamists are not as positive as the show portrayed. Mark Henkel explained how that assertion was propaganda as he gave the soundbite that the "world is larger than little Mormonland bubble of Arizona and Utah." The latter, as a writer for an entertainment magazine, and noting the example of Megan Bashan (who had been talking over Mark Henkel with her false narrative claims), commented that the show's intent was to "push the boundaries" to get people ignited and talking.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on June 3, 2006. This interview referenced the June 5, 2006, cover of same sex magazine, The Advocate, headlined as "Polygamy and Gay Men." That article led to the AFA.net calling for a boycott of Ford for its ad on the back cover. That was followed by a conservative writer from the Heritage Foundation, Stanley Kurtz (who had been on the same TV segment as Mark Henkel on the 700 Club), who had authored a hostile anti-polygamy propaganda article for WordlNetDaily.com. That later article then became the fodder for yet other hostile anti-polygamy articles such as in the National Review and in CrossTalk.com (the latter writtern by conservative Christian writer & radio nshow host, Albert Mohler). They all attempted to connect the article in The Advocate (and its content of polyamory) as if that was supposedly representative of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. When these people were overtly aware of Mark Henkel and of what he actually advocates (with love-not-force), their deceit in their propaganda all revealed once again that conservative pundits & corporate media are and can easily every bit as dishonest as the liberal pundits & corporate media. This interview also reveals the clever tactic that Mark Henkel took in response to this whole matter.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Stephanie Baker of NBC 17 WNCN-TV of Raleigh, North Carolina, conducted via satellite in the studio of NBC 6 WCSH-TV in Portland, Maine, on November 29, 2007. The pre-interview occurred on November 7, 2007, with the follow-up call on the next day. The recording did not pick up the audio of the reporter's questions in the final interview recorded for television. However, Mark Henkel's answers make it self-evident what was being asked. As NBC's Faith & Values Reporter, Stephanie Baker sought to inform an audience in the southern "Bible Belt" geography about the new movement of Christian Polygamy that had/has no connection to Mormon Polygamy at all. This interview provided numerous powerful soundbites, incuding the following: "There is no such thing in the history of the universe of anybody ever escaping from polygamy. Thats about as ridiculous as saying somebody escaped from monogamy. People escape abuse. They escape cults. And as normal consenting adult pro-polygamists around the country, our hearts have gone out to every single person who has suffered abuse. Unfortunately, they transform that abuse that they suffered at the hand of a cult, or suffered at the hand of abuse, and they turn around and they say, 'ALL polygamists did that.' But that's like trying to blame all Christianity for someone who comes out of a cult, say, the Jonestown cult of 30 years ago."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jon Chrisos of CBS WGME-TV 13 (and FOX23 WPFO-TV) of Portland, Maine, on April 21, 2016. This additonal interview came right after an interview in the WGME studios, hired and used by the reporter Andrew Hasbun for FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV, in Phoenix Arizona. Becuase he was sitting through it to monitor Hasbun's interview of Mark Henkel, Jon Chrisos had more questions to ask as well. (That earlier Hasbun-interview was posted in the previous podcast.) This Chrisos-interview includes many of Mark Henkel's soundbites, including the soundbite, "My career is not based on my family, and my family is not based on my career" and "I often use the term, 'manufactured news outlets,' that it's creating news stories."
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- National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Andrew Hasbun for FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV, in Phoenix Arizona, on April 21, 2016. This was recorded in the Portland Maine studio of CBS affiliate WGME-TV 13 (and same owner of Maine's FOX23 WFPO-TV there too). Local Maine TV journalist, Jon Chrisos, oversaw and stood by while Arizona reporter, Andrew Hasbun, asked his questions of Mark Henkel through a speaker-phone. As the source of numerous, powerful, and important soundbites, this interview is the source of clips shown both on the air in a special television report and on the website of FOX 10 Phoenix on May 24, 2016. (Please listen to the previous two podcasts to hear those too.) Note: after the interview concluded when Hasbun hung up his phone, Chrisos spent some additional time asking Mark Henkel questions too. But that separate interview is not part of this recording. This is a must-hear interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel gave these EXTRA SOUNDBITES for FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV, in Phoenix Arizona, broadcast on May 24, 2016. The actual report contained clips from a taped interview conducted in the (hired by KSAZ-TV) television network studio of CBS WGME-TV 13 in Portland Maine on April 21, 2016. Coming from that interview, these extra soundbites were announced and posted on the website and a social media page of FOX10Phoenix.com.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on FOX 10 Phoenix KSAZ-TV, in Phoenix Arizona, broadcast on May 24, 2016. The report contained clips from a taped interview conducted in the (hired by KSAZ-TV) television network studio of CBS WGME-TV 13 in Portland Maine on April 21, 2016. While everything else was accurate, this FOX 10 Phoenix TV news report did make two small mistakes. They said that Mark Henkel "calls himself a National Polygamy Advocate ™" - when he actually IS that. They also said, "Mark Henkel is an attorney" - when he actually was NOT that. Notwithstanding those inaccuracies, the interview was otherwise positive and accurate, rightly capturing well over half a dozen of Mark Henkel's excellent soundbites and argumentations. For one example, explaining how the US Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals, on April 11, 2016, had (then-recently) reversed the previously-positive Brown v. Buhman decision as moot on lack of "legal standing," Mark Henkel first gave his well-renowned soundbite in this TV report, saying, "It was not reversed on the merits of any arguments whatsoever. They refused to hear any arguments at all."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dobner for the Associated Press (the AP newswire), on May 18, 2006. Two days earlier, on May 16, 2006, the State Supreme Court of Utah had decided the Utah v. Holm case. Mark Henkel offered the following soundbite, "National Polygamy organization says the decision criminalizes free speech." On Page 12, Paragraph 28 of the decision, that court declared, "we conclude that the term 'marry' is not confined to legally recognized marriages." That is, the free speech act of just saying/purporting to be a polygamist was sufficient to prosecute a polygamist, even if there was no more than one marriage license involved. Mark Henkel pointed out how most of the media acts like a conspiracy to refuse to let polygamists defend themselves in media reports unless polygamists acquiesce to the media "requests" to put polygamous families and faces on display. Such all-or-nothing "requests" perilously put such families in jailable jeopardy, especially after that which the Utah State Supreme Court had just decided about polygamists even just using such free speech. Mark Henkel labelled these types of media requests as "Circus Act Requests" because they only seek to put families on display like a "circus act" under the unspoken "blackmail" of otherwise refusing/preventing the polygamists to accurately explain to the world what UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, is really about, if the extortionary "request" is declined. Completely understanding that whole issue, the reporter positively joked, "Are you wearing tights, Mark?" (for the circus); both enjoyed a good chuckle with that humor. This was one of numerous interviews with the Associated Press.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Fox News by Andrew O'Reilly, on September 4, 2019. Earlier that week, Utah State Senator Deidre Hederson announced that she would be proposing a new bill in the coming January 2020 session to reduce the crime of polygamy from a felony to an infraction (i.e., equivalent to a parking ticket). The purpose of the proposed bill would be to empower polygamists to feel safe from prosecution to report real crimes without fear of their families being jailed and separated. This interview sought Mark Henkel's "take" on this proposed bill. While being hopeful, he intentionally lowered expectations with pessimism by explaining the larger problem of that geographic area: the religiocentric "Mormonland Bubble" of Utah/Arizona (et al) does not believe in "separation of church and state." Mark Henkel explained how those ("Mormonland") State governments and nedia all obey the dictates the "mainstream" LDS institution by purposely and always refusing to accurately identify the differentiation of "Mormon polygamy" (from other polygamy) only because the LDS institution dictates that "no one" (government or media) may use the adjective "Mormon" in news reporting about Mormon polygamists (et al) to actually be accurate. This concise interview succinctly provides a detailed short-history of the anti-polygamy from the 1800s, the federal subterfuge that bypassed the 10th Amendment prohibition of Marriage Control, the modern Supreme Court decisions that would overturn anti-polygamy laws, and more. Citing examples that no no one would criminalize all dieters because of Karen Carpenter, criminalize all teachers because of Mary Kay Letourneau, or criminalize all football coaches because of Jerry Sandusky, Mark Henkel showed the fallacy how it makes no sense to criminalize all UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, because of cults or criminals. This interview also includes a number of powerful soundbites, including, "When you GENERALIZE to CRIMINALIZE, you TYRANNIZE." (NOTE: The bill did successfully pass in both houses of the Utah State Legislature in March 2020, got signed by the Utah Governor, and was set to be effective on May 12, 2020.)
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jeff Inglis, the Managing Editor for The Portland Phoenix newspaper, in Portland, Maine, on April 30, 2009. In the previous week, on April 22, 2009, the Maine State Legislature had conducted a Public Hearing on a pending law to legalize same sex marriage. 4,000 people attended this major event, including Mark Henkel who presented his "Neither For Nor Against" Testimony. In this historic speech, Mark Henkel pointed out that which he called as the "Marriage Control" hypocrisies of both the "YES" and "NO" sides at the hearing. Reporters Deirdre Fulton and Emily Parkhurst reported about Mark Henkel's Testimony in the April 30, 2009 issue of the newspaper. The Managing Editor of this weekly newspaper also attended the Public Hearing. He likewise witnessed Mark Henkel's Testimony as the National Polygamy Advocate ™; and, he thereafter also sought a separate interview for a later article to be published on May 13, 2009, titled, "After the Battle - Where will same-sex marriage be in 2010?" Seeking to write this report himself, the Managing Editor was fascinated to learn more of (and to report on) the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate" (as was first explained in Mark Henkel's Tesimony at the Public Hearing). He had indeed understood how Mark Henkel's win-win proposal really could be a way that both sides could embrace and even ensure that everyone would be fully free. (NOTE: As a consequence of that Public Hearing, the Maine State Legislature affirmatively voted on May 6, 2009, to become the 5th State to officially codify the legalization of same sex marriage. Even so, later that same year, on November 3, 2009, a Maine "People's Veto" referendum successully repealed that newly passed state law in Maine. Five and half years later after that, though, on June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court decision, Hollingsworth v. Hodges, fully mandated legalized same sex marriage in all 50 of the United States.) This interview was conducted in a professional and genuinely friendly manner - even with both enjoying laughter together. In addition to providing a comprehensive education about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the positivity with which this interview was conducted provides an excellent example, in and of itself, of how political liberals and conservatives can and should be able to more successfully discuss issues to solve things together.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on August 15, 2006, by Dan Lattin, a freelance writer for various publications who had formerly been the Religion Writer for the San Francisco Chronicle and its Sunday Magazine. Published by Harper Collins, the writer is also an author of books about religion, faith, and spirituality. (See DonLattin.com.) This interview occurred 5 months after HBO's premiere of its fictional TV show, "Big Love," about a Mormon Polygamous family. Even so, the writer had done his homework and was aware of the difference between Mormon Polygamy and Christian Polygamy - even knowing about the latter's official standard of "Love-Not-Force." For this interview, the writer was deliberately gathering in-depth information about Christian Polygamy for an essay/article that he would be independently pitching to such various other publications, including Vanity Fair. This hour-long interview provides a comprehensive education about the movement, about its arguments and history, as well as about Mark Henkel himself (even about his church experience and background). Regarding the scriptural and political arguments Mark Henkel makes for Christian Polygamy, the writer himself even positively proclaimed, "I actually think you DO have a very good argument. I mean it's kind of hard to refute your argument."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Katja Gelinsky for the German newspaper, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ.de), on February 27, 2007. The name as translated (from German to English) is "Frankfurt General Newspaper." This 45-minute interview provides a comprehensive education about the UCAP movement (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), Christian Polygamy and the Bible, and how Mark Henkel became the National Polygamy Advocate ™. Mark Henkel also explains the "house of cards" political strategy, the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate, how Christian leaders are paradigm-shifting, and how some would-be "conservative" writers such as Stanley Kurtz (of the National Review magazine) purposely misrepresent the polygamy movement because of their fear of others learning about Mark Henkel or the Christian and conservative arguments.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Chloe Johnson for Foster's Sunday Citizen, of Foster's Daily Democrat, of Dover, New Hampshire, on May 3, 2007. Just the previous week, on April 26, 2007, both houses of the New Hampshire State Legislature had passed a new same sex civil unions law. For an article that she was preparing for the Sunday newspaper, the reporter wanted to know if that new law would lead to polygamy. Mark Henkel gave her a comprehensive education about Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, UCAP, from detailing the subterfuge of the 1878 Reynolds v. United States Supreme Court Decision, to citing New Hampshire's own state bigamy law, to explaining the Polygamy Rights Win-WIn Solution to end the marriage debate.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Kimberly Trobee for Family News in Focus, the news division of James Dobson's Focus on the Famlly, in Colorado Sperings, Colorado, on March 14, 2006. This was the second of 2 interviews he gave that day for a subsequent report. The reporter was friendly and positive. She had 3 follow-up questions to ask. Knowing that this media was serving an evangelical Christian audience, Mark Henkel used conservative Christian commonplace terminology. Despite such a positive second interview in language that her Christian audience would embrace, the reporter's editor twisted the information into a #FakeNews report that intentionally mispreresented what the reporter had learned from Mark Henkel about Christian Polygamy and UCAP, Unrelated Consenitng Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Kimberly Trobee for Family News in Focus, the news division of James Dobson's Focus on the Family, in Colorado Springs, Colorado, on March 14, 2006. This was the first of 2 interviews he gave that day for a subsequent on-air report. The reporter was friendly and positive. Knowing that this media was serving an evangelical Christian audience, Mark Henkel used conservative Christian commonplace argumentations and numerous Scriptual citations. Mark Henkel explicitly explained, "We're definitely not trying to push or promote on the homosexual agenda whatsoever. The point being, we say that actually our argument is the answer." Even so, the reporter's editor twisted her report, changing it to dishonestly assert the 100% falsehood that supposedly, "Polygamists are demanding right to marry. They say homosexuals showed them the way." Both this and the second interview (still to come) revealed how intentionally false that that editor's later twisted claim was and it shows how positive and explanatory that this interview is for researchers wanting to learn Christian argumentations for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Keeler in the Morning, hosted by Bill Keeler (and entourage), on WXUR, 92.7 The Drive, in Utica, New York, on January 12, 2010, to discuss issues pertaining to polygamy. While also being humorous for the show, the host and entourage were consistently positive. Because the town of Oneida, New York, is nearby to the station, the host brought up the historic "Oneida Community," known from the 1800s as a "free love community." Mark Henkel clarified that that concept is not the same as modern UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The interview went so well that, at one point, the host even declared, "I think, deep down, most women, and I say most not all, deep down, most women would truly like this polygamy thing." Mark Henkel immediately affirmed, "It is actually a very pro-woman thing," and then he cited examples. This excellent interview provides many detailed educational answers and argumentations.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Harriet Pleming for the BBC, in London, England, on March 24, 2003. Having previously given an interview a few months beforehand with a different BBC journalist, Mark Henkel was glad to help the BBC in their continuing research into the new movement of Christian Polygamy and the TruthBearer.org organization. Mark Henkel explained the Reformation, "Sola Scriptura," how and why individual Bible-studying Christians come to discover and understand that the Bible never banned polygamy, and how the organization is "Continuing the Reformation." Explaining how the organization does this for others and overall society, he said, "It is really a sociological process of paradigm shifting." Mark Henkel even noted how some renowned Christian media elite have publicly paradigm-shifted, by their saying, "You won't find the Bible calling polygamy a sin, but we don't recommend it." Mark Henkel also clarifed that normal polygamists around the country have nothing to do with Tom Green or with Brian David Mitchell who kidnapped teenager Elizabeth Smart. To aid the BBC's research, Mark Henkel explained how Christians (from all forms and denominations - from Law-based to Grace-based beliefs), come to find, get support by, and join the TruthBearer.org organization as a para-church support organization, as well as how the overall movement seeks after de-criminalization, not legalization, of polygamy for unrelated consenting adults.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Westwood One's MetroNetworks' MetroSource Radio News Wire, on August 24, 2001. Criminal Tom Green, a rogue variant of Mormon Polygamist, had been sentenced for his convicted crimes. Mark Henkel explained that Tom Green received a 5-year sentence for the charge of criminal non-support, while each of the four remaining 5-year sentences for bigamy were to be served concurrently, and $79,900 had to paid in restitution for the welfare fraud. Noting the "concurrent" aspect of the sentences for bigamy, Mark Henkel declared the sound-bite, "Tom Green will NOT be serving any ACTUAL time in prison for 'bigamy.'" Identifying criminal Tom Green as "the polygamy Tim MacVeigh," Mark Henkel explained that normal pro-polygamists had always and loudly opposed the real crimes (criminal non-support and underage crimes) of Tom Green. At the end of the interview, Mark Henkel additionally detailed the standard of Love-not-Force, differentiating how real criminals and abusers of women have no connection with healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bulldog Live on The Pulse, WTPL 107.7 FM, with host Brian Tilton, in Manchester, New Hampshire, on June 10, 2009. A week earlier, the New Hampshire Governor had signed a then-new same sex marriage bill into law - one of the first few States to do so (following after Maine doing so the month before). The non-liberal host asked Mark Henkel to explain the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate." After explaining that solution, Mark Henkel then said, "Conservatives are going to continue to lose the same sex marriage debate and then finally they're going to come home to true conservative limited government values." He explained how anti-polygamy is the real slippery slope that led to supporters of same sex marriage copying that same approach of using big government to re-define marriage too. The host was positive, was professional, and found himself enjoying the rational arguments in the discussion. At the end, the host declared how "Newsweek quoted (Mark Henkel) as saying, 'If Heather can have 2 mommies, why can't she have 2 mommies and a daddy?'" Then the host chuckled, sighed, and said, "Yeah... Exactly."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on the "OPEN COURT: Bloom & Politan" television show with hosts Lisa Bloom and Vinnie Politan, on Court TV (the predecessor to TruTV), on Feburary 14, 2007, to discuss the trial of Arizona v. Bateman. The interview followed the playing of actual testimony of the trial, directly involving members of the FLDS cult led led by criminal Warren Jeffs. Mark Henkel adamantly clarified how that trial and that cult have nothing to with and do not represent healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, around the country. Jeffrey Toobin, Senior Legal Analyst at CNN, filled-in for absent co-host Vinnie Politan.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Elise Soukup, for Newsweek magazine, on March 2, 2006, for an article later published in the March 20, 2006, issue, titled, "Polygamists, Unite!" This 90-minute interview provided a comprehensive education of the principles and history of Christian Polygamy, the standard of Love-not-Force, the movement of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and how such various other forms of polygamy are each different from the doctrines and backgrounds of Mormon Poygamy. Using his "sunny day vs rainy day" analogy, Mark Henkel detailed how the word, "polygamy," is a neutral noun that will have different premises, paradigms, and presuppositions based on the different adjectives that modify it - whether Christian Polygamy, Jewish Polygamy, Muslim Polygamy, Mormon Polygamy, etc. Mark Henkel also elaborated on the three modern-day US Supreme Court decisions that make anti-polygamy anti-constitutional, and he also provided the history of the 1878 "Reynolds v. United States" anti-polygamy decision that was the "real slippery slope" that led to -and would cause- the legalization of same sex marriage (which did happen later in 2015). He said in this 2006 interview that, after same sex marriage does get legalized, conservatives should re-discover their conservative values of limited government and thereby embrace the polygamists' solution to end the marriage debate.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Kim Bonney, for The 700 Club, on CBN, the Christian Broadcasting Network, in Washington DC, on June 28, 2005, for a report that was broadcast on August 16, 2005, titled, "Polygamy: The Next 'Right' to be Legalized?" The report also aired on other networks on which The 700 Club was being broadcast, including TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) and the cable network, Family Channel. The show had flown Mark Henkel in from Maine to do this entire interview on video at their Washingon, DC studios. This interview was the source that made history. In the August 16, 2005, airing of the segment, the show reported, "Polygamy has a range of defenders, including evangelical Christians. Mark Henkel is founder of the Christian polygamy organization, TruthBearer.org. He says Christian polygamists believe husbands are called to love their wives, as Christ loved the churches, according to Scripture.." That was the first time that the two words "Christian" and "polygamy" were no longer misperceived as a "contradiction in terms" and the first time that the movement itself was recognized as indeed being actual Christians, including evangelical Christians. The aired report included a number of other key quotes from this historic interview, as well. The woman reporter who conducted the interview was completely professional, polite, pleasant, and positive throughout the interview. For other listeners who do not follow or believe in the Christian faith, this interview also provides powerful lessons on what and how to use the commonplace terms & rhetoric that will (and do!) persuade Christians to support the liberty and de-criminalization of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. For researchers, this is the interview that caused history to be made!
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Rasheed Oluwa, for The Poughkeepsie Journal, in Poughkeepsie, New York, on April 16, 2003, for an article published on April 28, 2003, titled, "In marriage, three's a crowd -- and a crime." That article was written for a "Crime Beat" section of the newspaper, regarding a local story of a man (who had not yet divorced one wife before marrying another) who had been charged with bigamy in New York. In this educational interview, Mark Henkel defined bigamy (as a a legal term for all "Secondary" marriages under law) vs. polygamy, secret or "dishonest bigamy" (unconsented fraud) vs. "honest polygamy" (consented choice), Christian Polygamy vs. Mormon Polygamy, the deep pschyological challenge for people when they first learn about unrelated consenting adult polygamy, how people often commit acts of "insanity to retain their sanity" as illustrated via a lesson-example from George Orwell's book, "1984", how normal polygamists always and adamantly opposed the criminals of Tom Green and the kidnappers of Elizabeth Smart in Utah, how the media make money by only reporting sensationalism and not the regular stories of normal polygamists not committing crimes, and many more argumentations too. (For historical reference, this interview took place before the Lawrence v. Texas decision by the US Supreme Court, later that year, on June 26, 2003.) As this interview was so comprehensive, the reporter himself even responded a number of separate times, by saying, "Cool!"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Waking Up with the Wolf, on WPYX 106.5 FM, in Albany, New York, on January 18, 2010. The show was hosted by Bob “Wolf” Wohlfeld along with co-hosts named as Lovee, Ellen, and Mickey. This somewhat jovial interview addresses many of the common quesitons about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Boston Herald by Jessica Heslam, in Boston, Massachusetts, on May 9, 2006. The new fictional TV show called, "Big Love," had been successfully running on HBO during the previous weeks - so successfully that the network had then reported its authorization to begin recording for a second season. The interview with this reporter seemed to be positive. She asked genuinely good questions. "Is the show an accurate account of polygamy?" "What myths does it dispel?" "Has the show done more harm than good, or more good than harm?" Mark Henkel provided numerous insights, including how the modern LDS try to get media to not accurately differentiate Mormon Polygamy from other polygamy, by removing the adjective "Mormon" so that reports sound like they are reporting about "all" polygamists in general. Mark Henkel explained that, if the polygamy comes from (and uses) the theology (and doctrines) from the Book of Mormon (and Mormonism), then it is Mormon Polygamy no matter how much the LDS institution does not like to admit that fact. Despite such positivity and deep education given in this interview, the eventual article, published on May 14, 2006, propagandized otherwise, titled as, "Hit show gets to dark heart of polygamy." Despite having interviewed the leading, established national expert on the topic, and using no other credible sources and anti-polygamists who only know about cult-based & Mormon Polygamy experiences, the hostile article made no differentiation. The resulting article only referenced Mark Henkel as "one expert" without even mentioning his name, the organization, the national movement, or the differentiation of the evarious forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The article was clearly an exactly-provable example of what would be known in punditries of the 2010s as "Fake News," and it explicitly illustrates why Mark Henkel originated in the 2000s, the term, "Manufactured News Corporations" (or, "Manufactured News outlets"), to describe how these kinds of false reports get published to continue false propaganda. No rational listener of this interview could come to the conclusion of the resulting article.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Arizona Republic by Linda Valdez, in Phoenix, Arizona, on July 3, 2006. The reporter, having written previous articles about the Mormon polygamists in what Mark Henkel calls the "Mormonland bubble" of Utah/Arizona, was rather biased in her thereby thinking that "all" polygamy is supposedly associated with the crimes of the criminal cult FLDS, Warren Jeffs, and Tom Green from the previous years. She learned much from this extensive education on many related issues. Mark Henkel definitively differentiated the difference between Mormon Polygamy vs Christian Polygamy and how other different forms of polygamy are defined by their respective applicable adjectives. He also expained how, despite the "mainstream LDS" demands that media obey their religious institution and not use the word "Mormon" to identify Mormon Polygamy (to instead call them as the unmodifed term, "polygamist"), doing that is a false description that wrongly and misleadingly suggests that all other forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, supposedly also do whatever the crimes those media stories are reporting. Numerous arguments about polygamy in the Bible were explained. The "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate was expained. And Mark Henkel detailed how de-criminalizing polygamy for junrelated consenting adults can pro-actively give victims of other real crimes the freedom to openly and safely report those crimes without fear that their polygamous familes could still be destroyed by law enforcement. This hour-plus interview unquestionably provides any listener with a comprehensive education about the issues.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Al Rantel Show (with John Phillips as the fill-in host) TalkRadio 790 KABC, in Los Angeles, California, on May 12, 2009. Days earlier, on May 6, 2009, Mark Henkel's home state of Maine had become the 5th State to formally legalize same sex marriage in law. (NOTE: thatMaine law was subsequently repealed by a "People's Veto" referendum vote, later in the year, on November 3, 2009.) The show's namesake host, who had been known as a public "gay conservative," had been out, due to severe medical issues. This interview took place in the month before the namesake host formally retired altogether. The fill-in host asked many good questions as well as some stereotypical and silly questions. Even though Maine's then-new law had just legalized same sex marriage that week, the law still did not legalize UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Mark Henkel had been very familiar with that new law, as he presented a formal "Neither For Nor Against" testmony at the "Public Hearing" in Augusta, Maine, on April 22, 2009. In this interview with the fill-in host, Mark Henkel explained that pro-polygamists do not seek legalization anyway, only de-criminlization, because government has no authority to define, license, or control the contractual arrangements of unrelated consenting adults. Mark Henkel also addressed different practicality issues and he provided answers for callers in to the show.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on December 22, 2006. The first 2:45 time-count of the recording includes the pre-interview setup with the show's producer who states that Mark Henkel is one of the host's favorite past guests and that that was why the host invited Mark Henkel to appear on this "Christmas Special" show. During the main interview, the host asked many good and fun questions about the logistics of how polygamists celebrate the Christmas holidays. This was a very fun "Christmas Special" interview indeed.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Ed Tyll Show, syndicated on the Starcom Radio Network, on December 30, 2013. Earlier that year, the US Supreme Court made its decisions in the same sex marriage cases cases of Hollingsworth v. Perry and United States v. Windsor on June 26, 2013 . Earlier from those prior two weeks, 2 landmark decisions (affecting only the State of Utah) in the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah had been decided: Brown v. Buhman (12/13/13, decided by Judge Clark Waddoups, de-criminalizing "de facto polygamy" in Utah) and Kitchen v. Herbert (12/20/13, decided by Judge Robert Shelby, legalizing same sex marriage in Utah). To discuss the impact of these court decisions upon UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the host asked legitimate and positive questions. Having been interviewed on this show previously, Mark Henkel's answers provided an even more comprehensive education on the issues of polygamy, marriage control, and freedom. Having learned even that much more in this interview, the host ended up saying to Mark Henkel, "You're really good at this. One thing polygamy needs is credibility from its spokepeople."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Branden Rathert, on Live Talk Radio on NewsRadio 1620 in Pensacola, Florida, on December 23, 2013, following 2 landmark decisions (affecting the State of Utah) during that prior 10 days at the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah: Brown v. Buhman (12/13/13, decided by Judge Clark Waddoups) and Kitchen v. Herbert (12/20/13, decided by Judge Robert Shelby). The first decision had de-crininalized "de facto polygamy" (i.e., polygamous marriages without additional marriage licenses). The second decision had determined that it was state-uncontsitutional for a Utah law to ban same sex couples from marriage. In the latter decision, Judge Shelby declared, "The State of Utah has provided no evidence that opposite-sex marriage will be affected in any way by same-sex marriage. In the absence of such evidence, the State’s unsupported fears and speculations are insufficient to justify the State’s refusal to dignify the family relationships of its gay and lesbian citizens." The host himself asked Mark Henkel if that precedent could also apply to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy - to which Mark Henkel affirmed that it would apply indeed.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Seth Harkness for the Portland Press Herald, on December 14, 2006, as the second of 2 interviews with him for an article that would be published in the December 15, 2006, edition of this local Portland, Maine, newspaper, titled, "In Maine, supporter argues for polygamy." This was the follow-up interview to the first interview of November 29, 2006. The reporter noted that he had since been told by leaders at Maine's Christian Civic League that their argument was that there are (supposedly) no examples of polygamy in the New Testament, that polygamy is suppposedly "only" in the Old Testament. Mark Henkel easily refuted that by noting how Jesus self-described Himself as a polygamist n Mathew 25:1-13, something that the sinless Lord and Savior would never do if polygamy was a "sin." At 21:33, after this second interview ended, the reporter called back that same day for last-minute details. Mark Henkel used that calback to add one more refutation to the Christian Civic League's asserted claim, as he showedg how Paul gave a "commandment of God" in 1 Corinthians 7 that would apply to "commanding" polygamy in the New Testament.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Seth Hartkness for the Portland Press Herald, on November 29, 2006, as the first of 2 interviews with him for an article that would be published in the December 15, 2006, edition of this local Portland, Maine, newspaper, titled, "In Maine, supporter argues for polygamy." The reporter had read an Associated Press (AP) article that his newspaper had published days earlier on November 24, 2006, titled, "Polygamists Say Jeffs case Paints Distorted Picture." This hour-long first inteview for the Portland Press Herald provided numerous argumentations, explaining both Christian Polygamy and UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Regarding Henkel's renowned soundbite that "Polygamy is the Next Civil Rights Battle," Henkel clarified, "With my soundbite, oftentimes, people then suggest that we are 'riding the coattails of so-called same sex marriage.' And actually, anytime anybody ever says that, there are four letters that should be plastered on their forehead: L-I-A-R, because we are NOT riding on the coattails of the homosexuals." Henkel explained how the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution actually brings an end to the whole marriage debate. He also provided story-examples of unidentified members of the TruthBearer.org organization, showing how some families have come together and thrive, and also showing how even civil law has been used to abuse polygamists in court only because the anti-polygamy laws are on the books.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on November 22, 2006. This was a callback interview (from previous apppearances on the show), following the trial of Warren Jeffs, the cult leader of the FLDS, the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. Opposing that cult and its leader, Mark Henkel explained how the hearing revealed that the trial was not even about polygamy. Namely, at that time, Jeffs was only charged with forcing the arranged marriage of an unmarried 19 year young man to his own cousin who was only 14. The host was friendly, professional, and made it adamantly clear that Mark Henkel and UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, have nothing to do with - and even outright oppose - the real crimes connected to Jeffs and the FLDS. As this was during the same week as Thanksgiving holiday in the US, the host made some fun final comments at the end about imagining the "holiday table" of polygamists.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for KIFI LocalNews8 by Karole Honas on April 25, 2006, in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Recorded as a "phoner" during the premiere season of HBO's show, Big Love, the veteran tv journalist was seeking both information and soundbites for news "packages" that would appear over two or three nights of the local news network. She was thoroughy fascinated to learn of the new movement of Christian Polygamy, and that it is unconnected to Mormon Polygamy. Clarifying that, even though non-polygamous LDS do not like the "Mormon"-word being attached to Mormon Polygamists, Mark Henkel gave the soundbite, "If it's based on the Book of Mormon, it's Mormon Polygamy." The journalist was very positive, professional, and friendly throughout the interveiw. She even proclaimed, "I'm beginning to wonder if evangelical Christians might not be onto something. You're definitely very protective of no abuse, no children marriage, no forced-to-go brides." As she explained how her Eastern Idaho audience was "mostly LDS," she declared, "I am personally not LDS, I'm Methodist. Like I said, I'm 50 years old, I've gone through the feminist movement. There are arguments that you're making that make total sense to me."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for Stateline by Kavan Peterson on September 23, 2003. Stateline.org is a states policy focused reporting organization, founded by The Pew Charitable Group, that "uses evidence-based, nonpartisan analysis to solve today's challenges." Conducted three months after the US Supreme Court decided the Lawrence v. Texas case. this comprehensive 53-minute interview is both historically significant and outright prescient. To wit, Mark Henkel predicted that same sex marriage would indeed become legalized precisely BECAUSE of the arguments then being made by conservatives. Using the commonplace rhetoric of limited government conservatism (in seeking to persuade copnservatives), and thereby referring to specifically-conservative Christian Polygamists as the "Older Brothers," Mark Henkel provided the following quote. "We're really not after legalization. We're after de-criminalization. We believe that when you go down the legalization path, you have to start defining forms of marriage. And once you start doing that, that's when you open up the door for DISCRIMINATION and all that. That's where I would say that our "Little Brothers" - many of the conservatives - are making the mistake. By arguing that government has authority, and in all their hysteria that government "should" be defining it ('We must have one man one woman definition!' and all that), by doing that, and THEN BY NOT SUCCEEDING, they will have GIVEN the argument to force homosexual marriage... They will have lost BECAUSE they gave that argument by saying government has the authority to define marriage in the first place." Over the next 12 years after that quote was given in this interview, that is is exactly what happened as same sex marrriage eventually became nationally legalized via Obergefell v. Hodges on June 26, 2015.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for CNS News by Randy Hall on March 6, 2006, for an article, published on March 16, 2006, titled, "Polygamy Is 'Next Civil Rights Battle,' Activists Say." The call letters, "CNS," stand for Cybercast News Service; and, it is one of the most well-known conservative-based news services, founded by L. Brent Bozell of his conservative organization, Media Research Center (MRC). After finding Mark Henkel's well-known soundbite, "Polygamy Rights is the Next Civil Rights Battle," Staff writer and Editor Randy Hall sought to report about it. He interviewed Mark Henkel to find out if there was a connection between that soundbite, the polygamy rights movement, and the 2003 statement from Senator Rick Santorum (about how the "right to privacy" argument in the 2003 Lawrence v. Texas case would make it unconstitutional to still ban polygamy). What he learned was de-criminalization, the "true conservative limited government" position, the Biblical arguments, how Christian Polygamy is not the same as Mormon Polygamy, how the "liberal activist judges" of the 1878 Supreme Court concocted a nationwide marriage control precedent with Reynolds v. United States that would never survive a 10th Amendment challenge in the States, and so much more. Purposely using the exactly-targeted conservative-based commonplace terminology and rhetoric that conservatives and Christians exclusively recognize and use themselves, Mark Henkel's answers serendipitously transformed this interview into becoming one of the most comprehensive and persuasive interviews by to which to specifically and successfully persuade conservatives and Christians about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Washington Blade by Joe Crea on December 12, 2003, for an article, published on December 26, 2003, titled, "Polygamy advocates buoyed by gay court wins (Some see sodomy, marriage opinions as helping their cause)." That year, the US Supreme Court had decided the Lawrence v. Texas case, and the Massachusetts State Superme Court had decided the Goodridge (et al.) v. Department of Public Health case. This newspaper is reported to be the the oldest LGBT newspaper in the United States., and the reporter wanted to find out about and report on the pre-polygamy reaction to these court cases. The resulting article from this interview was cited by various anti-polygamists, including by the "Family Research Council" (FRC) more than a decade after the article was published. (The FRC is a Christian political organization that has always been too timid to speak directly with Mark Henkel, but has referenced his work various times. ) Mark Henkel presented the Christian & Conservative arguments, the differences between Christian Polygamy and Mormon Polygamy, and the applicability of the Court cases to UCAP Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, all while knowing that he was speaking to an LGBT audience in that time of 2003. This interview shows how the formal Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution would simultaneously protect the rights all sides of the debate for same sex marriage.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Dave Show, on 88.9FM KUCI, on October 25, 2006, hosted by David Waldram, in Irvine, Califnornia. Over the previous 2 months, FLDS cult leader Warren Jeffs, who had been on the FBI's Ten Ten Most Wanted list, had been caught, filling the news cycles with stereotypical and hostile reports supposedly "about polygamy." The host, who also identified himself as an Interfaith Community Leader, as well as a radio host and an independent documentary film producer, wanted to have a show discussing polygamy from an insider perspective. The 20-minute pre-interview has also been included before the 54-minute live show itself. This interview is one of the most rhetorically-comprehensive interviews to empower students and researchers with insights into the applicable and real issues, concepts, and arguments of Christian Polygamy, of UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), and of the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate. The host expressed how much he thoroughly both enjoyed and learned from this interview. At the end, the host declared (particularly to anyone else seeking actual legalization of same sex marriage), "To me, whatever your views and debate are, …if you're going to fight for same gender marriages, then you should equally be in support of legalizing polygamy and any other consenting adult relationship. ...It seems like its an either-or thing." Regarding Mark Henkel, the host positively concluded, "The fellow's got a point; he really has a point - and I thought he very, VERY articulately and accurately described his point."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "talkSPORT Radio" from London, England, with (American-born) host Charlie Wolf, on May 20, 2001, two days after Tom Green had been convicted of one count of criminal non-support and four counts of bigamy. This matter and this interview occurred before Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015, before the raid of the FLDS cult raid in 2008, before the conviction of Mormon-based FLDS cult leader Warren Jeffs, and even before Lawrence v. Texas in 2003. The host had brought a Mormon polygamist, who was friend and apologist of Tom Green, on to the show to actually defend the very real crimes that Tom Green had done (and about which most polygamists vehemently opposed). Mark Henkel adamantly differentiated that Christian Polygamy and overall UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, have nothing to do with the Tom Green "baggage" of underage crimes, marrying step daughters, welfare fraud, and other such real-crime issues. Mark Henkel also explained the dffferences between Christian Polygamy and Mormon Polygamy, as well as the different definitions of polygamy, polygyny, polyandry, and bigamy. As the official, formal public voice standing against Tom Green (and the real crimes that that criminal had committed), Mark Henkel was thereby successfully laying down the groundwork for the growth of the overall polygamy rights movement for unrelated connseting adults, as being as normal as everyone else in not being connected to such real criminals as Tom Green. Immediately before the interview starts in this podcast, the following is spoken as a CAVEAT: "This rare interview from the year 2001, was recorded using imperfect audiocassette tape technology. Although the sound quality of this interview is unfortunately less than optimal, it is still being made available here for history and archiving purposes. Thank you for understandning and for listening to this rare interview from 2001."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was for The Daily Orange by Nicholas Mokey on March 20, 2006. This was for the newspaper of Syracuse University in Syracuse, New York, following the new series of HBO's then-new seris, "Big Love."This comprehensive interview provides many of the standard argumentations that Mark Henkel uses to differentiate various forms of polygamy and to explain the numerous argumentations for how the Christian Polygamy form is absolutely in accordance with the Bible.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "Jamie Floyd: Best Defense" on the television network, Court TV, on September 26, 2007. Host Jami Floyd was a former defense attorney who had been a legal consultant for various television networks, aside from her own program. This interview was the third of a number of times that Mark Henkel was brought on this TV program as the expert during the trial of FLDS criminal cult leader Warren Jeffs. In this interview, Warren Jeffs had been found guilty of arranging the forced arranged marriage of a 14 year old girl with her monogamous 19 year old cousin - it had nothing to do with polygamy. Mark Henkel was able to adamantly differentiate normal healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, as not being connected to the criminal Warren Jeffs or those crimes whatsoever. This interview included clips of the in-court testimony of the girl at the trial - to which Mark Henkel compassionately identified as heart-wrenching. As the host had always been previously in these interviews, Jami Floyd was very professional, friendly, understood every argumentation, and was yet again happy to want Mark Henkel back on for future episodes during any later hearings on the matter.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Keith Plocek for Houston Press, in Houston, Texas, on March 21, 2006. After seeing a report in Newsweek magazine involving Mark Henkel, the reporter wanted to do an article about polygamy. Mark Henkel, knowing that he was speaking to a newspaper in a Bible Belt state with conservative Christians, spelled out the Christian and Conservative arguments of the new movement of Christian Polygamy and how it is different from Mormon Polygamy. The reporter acknowledged that what he learned from this interview was more (and sensible) than what he had thought going in to it, even as he "went in to it without any pre-conceived notions." The reporter even said that the argumentations are "well worked out." This interview provides numerous Biblical arguments, including Mark Henkel's soundbite of the 3 reasons why supporters of OMOW (One Man One Woman) can not use the Adam & Eve story to justify a big goverment marriage control amendment. This interview shows how both the conservative and liberal positions require both to embrace the polygamy rights win-win solution to end the marriage control debate. It also explains why the "tolerance" dogma makes it easy to persuade liberals, so the focus is more on persuading Conservatives and Christians.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Sylvie St. Jacques for LaPresse, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, on June 6, 2006. This was a general Q&A interview for the French-Canadian-speaking newspaper, seeking soundbites and background, following the then-recent premiere of HBO's new fictional TV show about polygamy, "Big Love."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on September 5, 2006. This was following the arrest and extradition of Warren Jeffs, the cult leader of the FLDS, the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. Mark Henkel was respectfully given the opportunity to clarify that UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) has nothing do with that criminal, cult, or its crimes, and to differentiate the different forms (Mormon polygamy, Christian polygamy, secular polygamy, etc.). Speaking with callers to the show, Mark Henkel also provided his longer-soundbite of three specific reasons why Christians can not rationally use the "Adam & Eve" story to justify using government marriage conrol to enforce an unbiblical "One Man One Woman" (OMOW) doctrine.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for NewsRadio 1020 KDKA by Lifestyle and Entertainment Editor, Shelley Duffy, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on March 27, 2006. This was a general Q&A interview (including a brief amount of unexpected technical difficulties), seeking soundbites from Mark Henkel as the National Polygamy Advocate ™, following the then-recent premiere of HBO's new fictional TV show about polygamy, "Big Love."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Tom Barberi Show on 97.5 FM Talk, KFMS, in Salt Lake City, Utah, on March 13, 2006, following the then-recent premiere of HBO's new fictional TV show about polygamy, "Big Love." The host was a Utah-locally-renowned liberal/progressive commentator whose tagline claimed to be for "legalizing adulthood" as the host being "the voice of reason." As the host had just, moments-previously, interviewed a painfully hostile anti-Mormon polygamy group that existed back then in Utah (who wrongly blamed "all polygamy" for the horrible crimes committed by specific fundamental Mormom polygamy based cults), the host was repeatedly hostile, mockery, and directing questions intended to discredit or to disparage. Mark Henkel stood strong and gave rapid, educational, and conprehensive replies, using the "neutral noun is not modified by a missing adjective" argumentation, and more. As the host had not succeeded in discrediting or disaparaging, he chose to end the interview with a self-laughing mockery, "Maybe at some point, when you get your own show, we can just listen to you go and on about this."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Culture Shocks with Barry Lynn, nationally syndicated, on April 11, 2006. The interview itself occurred on March 27, 2006, following the then-recent premiere of HBO's new fictional TV show about polygamy, "Big Love." The host is a renowned politically liberal/progressive commentator, media-known for being counterpart to the co-host Pat Buchanan in the 1990s (a conservative Presidential Candidate in both the Republican and the Reform Parties), and the host also is head of a progressive organization named, the Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Serving that particularly liberal/progressive audience on his own show, the self-identified "great liberal" host remained very professional and polite on the show, asking very good questions. Some unknown situation was decided by the syndicated hierarchy in the background during the interview that caused the interview from not being aired "live" that evening, to then being pushed to Wednesday, March 29th, and to then eventually airing on Tuesday, April 11, 2006. From Bible arguments, to genuinely helping abandoned single moms in the modern cultural tragedy of marriage-phobic "playas" and "baby daddies," to case law analysis, Mark Henkel was able to provide many good insights and answers in a very intellectual discussion.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Understanding the Law with Peter Lamont, on UTLradio.com, on June 29, 2015. On the Monday weekly 2-hour legal review that the host would present each week with co-host Bob Hughes, this episode was coming after the 3-days-earlier historic decision by the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS), Obergefell v. Hodges (6/26/2015), that formally legalized same sex marriage. The host is an attorney who self-identified as a Christian (Russian Orthodox) who defends equality and fairness. The co-host is a Republican who self-identified as non-religious. The host and co-host interviewed Mark Henkel on this episode between the times of 12:56 and 41:34. The show opened with a reading and detailing of the Court's Opinions & Dissents from Obergefell v. Hodges. The host then welcomed Mark Henkel to answer the fundamental question that both conservatives and liberals have to consider in the wake of that SCOTUS Decision. How can it then still be possible, or fair, or even about equality if this decision still allows government to still deny and even criminalize UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy? Mark Henkel's gave answers that were so helpful and definitive that the two co-hosts continued talking about the matter for 15 additional minutes afterward. Their continued conversation (without Mark Henkel) is included here to demonstrate the impact for history and future researchers of this history. Truly, this interview is one for all liberals and conservatives alike to listen, learn, contemplate, and take action.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Richmond's Morning News with Jimmy Barrett on 1140 WRVA, in Richmond, Virginia, on March 14, 2006. That month, polygamy had just become a "hot topic" for talk radio as the new HBO TV show, "Big Love," had just premiered that month, being the very first series (fiction) to show polygamy in a non-criminal manner. (In the pre-interview setup, beeps are used to protect the privacy of a telephone number.) Both WRVA overall and this show specifically served a conserative Christian audience in the Bible Belt, and the well-known host was surprised to learn that there are indeed evangelical Christian arguments being made for UCPA Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The host asked his questions very professionally, respectfully, and positively. This interview became another good example for teaching and learning how to make the case specifically to conservative evangalical Christian audiences
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Dom Giordano Show, on The BigTalker 1210 WPHT, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on March 16, 2006. The issue of polygamy had just become a "hot topic" for talk radio as the new HBO show, "Big Love," had just premiered that month, being the very first series (fiction) to show polygamy in a non-criminal manner. The host is the show's renowned namesake, long established on a network committed to serving a politically conservative and Christian audience. The host was positive, professional, surprised, and was able to rightly acknowledge the powerful answers and differentiations that Mark Henkel had presented. Callers, however, called in to fight; and, Mark Henkel also did not disappoint in this arena. This interview provides a powerful and educational lesson on how to frame, present, and argue with conservatives and Christians about Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP). He showed how, with One Man One Woman (OMOW) big government marriage control, conservatives betray their own limited government values and Christians commit the largest "sin" of all as the Christian leaders have "gone the way of Jeroboam son of Nebat" to lead their people into the idolatry of "worshipping the false god of big socialist government." Being a show with a radio talk format designed for rhetorical battle, and therefore by his intentionally using their own conservative and Christian positions and arguments, Mark Henkel thoroughly and strongly "schooled" the callers.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on BackChat on Radio Television Hong Kong RTHK, co-hosted by Hugh Chiverton and Bryan Curtis, on September 8, 2006. While airing live during Hong Kong morning, the 12-hour time zone difference meant that Mark Henkel gave this interview at 9:15 pm ET the night before on September 7, 2006. While using conservative and Christian "commonplaces" of terms, Mark Henkel explained how it doesn't matter whether or not one supports same sex marriage because government has no authority to license, define, or control what consenting adults choose to do in their freedom of assembly. With the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate" in a way by which everone "wins," Mark Henkel explained how everyone is free to choose, regardless of that which others support or do not support what yet others choose or imagine for their own lives. The "house of cards" of anti-polygamy thinking analogy was explained in detail. Overall, the two co-hosts asked excellent questions, all of which were given solid and duplicatable argumentation answers.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on July 10, 2003, for an article in "Whistleblower" magazine, published by WorldNetDaily of WorldNetDaily.com, by freelance writer, Allyson Smith, for the August 2003 edition. As the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) had just decided the Lawrence v. Texas case 2 weeks earlier on June 26th, that magazine that served a Christian and Conservative audience sought to get a report on the pro-polygamy response to the Court's decision. Knowing that he was speaking to that specific audience, Mark Henkel intentionally used that consitituency's rhetorical "commonplace" terminology, in order to more successfuly persuade them of how their own values would compel them to see how the Bible never banned polygamy and how limited government means not using government for such a ban. Anyone who believes in a Christian or Conservative political paradigm will recognize that this is "no liberal" argumentation (which they know would otherwise dissuade them). As well, anyone with a liberal or progressive political preference hearing this interview will hear things to which they might not agree, but also which have no bearing on their agreement on the issue of polygamy itself. Smarter liberals will understand the benefit of using this interview to learn how to use those arguments (regardless of other disagreements) to successfully persuade Christians and Conservatives too, so that it becomes a face-saving Win-Win for everyone. This interview occurred over a decade ago - a dozen years, actually - before same sex marriage was later legalized, using the rhetoric of that past era. Mark Henkel declared, "Polygamy Rights is the next civil rights battle." After Mark Henkel commented about how most people are often surprised when they learn and self-realize that he is using valid arguments, the writer interjected, "Yeah. They ARE valid - definitely so."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "Jamie Floyd: Best Defense" on the television network, Court TV, on September 21, 2007. Host Jami Floyd was a former defense attorney who had been a legal consultant for various television networks, aside from her own program. This interview was the second of a number of times that Mark Henkel was brought on this TV program as the expert during the trial of FLDS criminal cult leader Warren Jeffs. Mark Henkel was able to adamantly differentiate normal healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, as not being connected to the criminal Warren Jeffs or those crimes whatsoever. As she had been previously, the host was very professional, friendly, understood every argumentation, and was again happy to bring Mark Henkel on future episodes during the trial as well.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Branden Rathert, on Live Talk Radio on NewsRadio 1620 in Pensacola, Florida, on June 13, 2013, to discuss the Constitutional arguments for de-criminalizing UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate, and how the movement was ready to act after the then-pending decision of the US Supreme Court on the Hollingsworth v. Perry case. (HISTORY NOTE: Later that month, on June 26, 2013, the US Supreme Court instead refused the Hollingsworth case, vacating and remanding the lower decision, solely based on a technicality of "legal standing" and not on the merits of anything argued.) Closing the interview, the host asked one final question, "What's the disadvantage to having more than one spouse?" Mark Henkel gave the quick reply that caused the host to burst out in a belly-laugh: "Multiple In-laws!"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Kevin and Bean Show on KROQ 106.7 FM, in Pasadena, California, serving the Los Angeles area. The show's namesake-hosts are Kevin Ryder and Gene "Bean" Baxter. As the "Kevin" was not at the interview, the episode was hosted by "Bean," along with two additional co-hosts, Ralph Garman and Lisa May. While keeping it fun and entertaining, all three of the co-hosts were respectful, remained friendly, and asked important questions. This provided a good opportunity to educate an audience about the differences between Christian Polygamy and Mormon Polygamy, as well as the overall movement for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Ed Tyll Show, syndicated on the Starcom Radio Network, for the weekend edition on Saturday, June 15, 2013. This was the second of two interviews on this show that week, as the US Supreme Court was preparing up to hand down its decision about same sex marriage in both cases of Hollingsworth v. Perry and United States v. Windsor. For this weekend audience, Mark Henkel once again explained that, if the Supreme Court accepts and sets the precedent that laws may not be based on "animous based stereotypes" as were then-being argued in the Hollingsworth case, it would equally apply to anti-polygamy laws which are even more "animous based" than laws against same sex marriage. (HISTORY NOTE: Later, on June 26, 2013, the US Supreme Court instead refused the Hollingsworth case, vacating the lower decision, solely based on a technicality of "legal standing" and not on the merits of anything argued.) Closing out the interview, the host declared to his audience about Mark Henkel, saying, "He's a brave guy. He's got energy. He's got the conviction of his beliefs. And that is contagious. We love it on this show!"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Michael Baisden Show, on March 9, 2006, nationally sydnicated on the ABC Radio Network. The highly entertaining host is billed as "The Bad Boy of Radio" who always would say to his callers (and they would say back to him), "Everything is everything!" In this episode, the host set up the show to ask, "Is there a better, less stressful, and more responsible way to conduct our relationships? Can polygamy exist in America today?" As a better solution to "lying, cheating, and creeping" of being forced into monogamy, this was an entertaining way to discuss the honesty, responsibility, and issues of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for The Standard-Examiner by Nancy Van Valkenburg, in Ogden, Utah, on March 2, 2006, for an article about the then-new fictional TV series, "Big Love" on HBO. As she was reporting from what Mark Henkel identifed as "the Mormonland Bubble" of Utah/Arizona, he educated her about different forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. This interview provided the reporter with a comprehensive explanation of how Mormon Polygamy is not Christian Polygamy and the differences there between. Despite all this education, the newspaper decided to take took a negative position and did not even mention within the article any of that which the reporter had learned, instead continuing false stereotypes.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Jennifer Dahl for KUTV 2, a CBS-TV affiliate, in Salt Lake City, Utah, on March 24, 2006. This was a non-aired research-interview about polygamy beyond the Mormon polygamy paradigm. Coming on the heels of the then-recent hostile mis-reporting by 2 other corporate media from what Mark Henkel called "The Mormonland Bubble" of Utah/Arizona, the interview began with Mark Henkel being rather strongly assertive about not being mis-represented. Jennifer Dahl seemed to quickly understand how such a strong posture demonstrated a valid "pathos" that anyone would normally have when so mis-represented. She rightly made clear that she was not with those other organizations. Upon learning through the interview, not only did Jennifer Dahl thereafter demonstrate that she was indeed learning the differentation of various forms of polygamy, she even positively and professionally acknowledged the actual positions being explained. Thereby turning the interview into a rather friendly and educational discussion, Jennifer Dahl learned about the different forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and the overall National Polygamy Rights Movement for Consenting Adults.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Thom Hartmann Program, by Thom Hartmann himself, nationally syndicated radio and TV show, on December 30, 2013. This was Mark Henkel's second interview on the show, having given an interview 6 months previously too. Even though Mark Henkel, in the previous interview, had already disproved the host's erring fallacy of trying to say that what a cult did with "Lost Boys" is something mainstream America would do, the politically-liberal/progressive host still started off the second interview with that exact same insulting premise. When the host claimed "I have polyamorous friends" while still coming against polygamy, Mark Henkel made the comparison of that being "polygaphobia" as identical to when people saying others are having "homophobia" when they use the "I have a friend like that" self-justificaiton of their bigotry. At the end, the host, speaking alone, pretended to "not understand," despite the fact that he knowingly started off this second interview with the intentionally exact same insulting fallacy that he had unsuccessfuly tried to use at the start of the interview from 6 months previously, back in June 2013. As before too, Mark Henkel repeatedly explained to the host the emphasis that UCAP is about "Unrelated Consenting Adults."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on Court TV Morning Radio with Vinnie Politan, on satellite Sirius 110, on March 21, 2006. After the cable TV network, HBO, debuted the premiere of its historic fictional series, called "Big Love" (on March 12, 2006), the host wanted to learn more about polygamy and whether or not the show accurately reflected polygamous families' experiences. (Prior to this TV show, no network had ever aired any series that presented polygamy in any positive non-criminal example. That is why it was so history-making.) The host unwittingly mistook that Mark Henkel was speaking with the show "really early" as if his guest was from Utah, not realizing that Mark Henkel was in Maine, in the same time zone as the show. Mark Henkel was allowed to clarify that UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) has nothing do with crimes, criminals, and cults, to differentiate the different forms (Mormon polygamy, Christian polygamy, secular polygamy, etc.), and to explain the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Ken McQueen for MacLeans magazine in Canada on June 11, 2007. Describing his magazine as the "Newsweek for Canada," this interview ocurred in reference to the ongoing reports of investigations into a group of Mormon polygamists living in Bountiful in British Columbia, Canada, who had originated but had broken away from the FLDS cult in the US. The positive reporter was more interested in learning about polygamy in general and about whether Canada's anti-polygamy laws could really withstand a legal chellenge. Explaining the different forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consrnting Adult Polygamy, Mark Henkel gave the soundbite, "In the modern era, no polygamist has been convicted, or even charged, where there was no other crime involved."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Ed Tyll Show, syndicated on the Starcom Radio Network, on June 13, 2013. This was the first of two interviews on this show that week, as the US Supreme Court was gearing up to make its decision about same sex marriage in both cases of Hollingsworth v. Perry and United States v. Windsor. Mark Henkel explained how, if the Supreme Court accepts and sets the precedent that laws may not be based on "animous based stereotypes" as were then being argued in the Hollingsworth case, it would equally apply to anti-polygamy laws which are even more "animous based" than laws against same sex marriage. (HISTORY NOTE: Later, on June 26, 2013, the US Supreme Court instead refused the Hollingsworth case, vacating the lower decision, solely based on a technicality of "legal standing" and not based on the merits of anything argued.)
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on The Dr. Wendy James Show, of DrWendyJames.com, on BlogTalkRadio, on March 14, 2014. The host is a licensed psychologist and author of a book titled, "The Princess Chronicles," whose show about is about relationships.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was on "Jamie Floyd: Best Defense" on the television network, Court TV, on September 20, 2007. Host Jami Floyd is a former defense attorney who had been a legal consultant for various television networks, aside from her own program. This interview was the first of a number of times that Mark Henkel was brought on this TV program as the expert during the trial of FLDS criminal cult leader Warren Jeffs. Mark Henkel was able to adamantly differentiate normal healthy UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, as not being connected to the criminal Warren Jeffs or those crimes whatsoever. The host was very professional, friendly, understood every argumentation, and was happy to bring Mark Henkel back on more future episodes during the trial as well.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Dana Littlefield, for the San Diego Union-Tribune, on December 08, 2006. This interview was in preparation for an article she was writing that would be published on January 15, 2007. As she had reported over the previous year about the trial of a horrific murderer named Sean Goff who had self-claimed to be a Christian in polygamy, but who was not Mormon, she sought to learn more about the issues and differences. She was educated on the history of the modern Christian Polygamy movement, how the "Standard of Christian Polygamy is "Love-Not-Force," the TruthBearer.org organization, and how that criminal self-proved to never be a valid part of the actual movement (as anyone can claim to "be Christian" even when they are not).
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on Talk of the Town, on WATR, 1320-AM, in Waterbury, Connecticut, on March 12, 2014. This interview was in advance of the television network TLC set to broadcast its second reality-TV series about polygamy, called, "My Fives Wives." Also, the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case had, at that point, just received a victory in a Utah court that positively de-criminalized "de facto polygamy" in December 2013. (Unfortunately, that decision was later reversed on appeal in 2016 by a technicality. The US Supreme Court declined to consider that reversal in 2017.) This was a positive interview addressing many good questions, explaining the different forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by National Reporter, Cheryl Wetzstein, for The Washington Times, on November 22, 2005, as the second of 2 interviews with him for an article that would be published on the front page of the Sunday edition, December 11, 2005, of this known politically conservative newspaper. As before in his first interview with her, Mark Henkel intentionally used those same commonplaces & rhetorical arguments to persuade that target audience. In this second interview, this reporter was doing the followups for clarification from the first interview as well as from 2 additional interviews they conducted together with 2 separate families from the TruthBearer.org Organization (with Mark Henkel mediating). While those 2 family-interviews will remain private, the first interview with Mark Henkel was posted in last week's episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by National Reporter, Cheryl Wetzstein, for The Washington Times, on October 11, 2005, as the first of 2 interviews with him for an article that would be published on the front page of the Sunday edition, December 11, 2005, of this known politically conservative newspaper. Mark Henkel intentionally used those commonplaces & rhetorical arguments to persuade that target audience. In this first interview, this reporter was doing the initial research and making preparations on how to conduct 2 additional interviews to be later conducted with 2 separate families from the TruthBearer.org Organization with Mark Henkel mediating. After those 2 subsequent family-interviews, this reporter would also do one more interview with Mark Henkel alone again. While those 2 family-interviews will remain private, the final (and second) interview with Mark Henkel will be posted in next week's episode of this podcast.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by staff writer, John Pomfret, for The Washington Post, on November 2, 2006, for an article that would be published on November 21, 2006. This was following breaking news that the caught criminal cult leader of the FLDS Warren Jeffs, who had been apprehended a couple months previously, was scheduled to appear in court for his crimes. It was evident that the reporter had neither done his homework nor was even looking to discuss the differentiation of how the National Polygamy Rights Movement for Unrelated Consenting Adults is and has always been adamantly against Warren Jeffs and the FLDS cult. Nevertheless, the staff writer was given an extensive education about the modern movement for UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (including the additional differentations of Mormon Polygamy, Christian Polygamy, Secular Polygamy, et al) and how the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate only seeks de-criminalization not legalization as a win-win solution to allow both conservatives and liberals to politically save face - a true win-win.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on The Bill Cunningham Show, on 700 WLW, in Cinncinatti, Ohio, on January 22, 2016. This weekday radio talk show, hosted by a lawyer of 40 years, served a mostly conservative audience. The host also hosted a separate nationally syndicated Sunday radio show as well as a TV talk show on the CW television network. This interview occurred as the Brown v. Buhman (the "Sister Wives") case was being heard that week at the Tenth District Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver, Colorado. Differentiating that polygamy is about marriage and requires commitment, Mark Henkel said, "In America, sex is easy to find and get. You don't have to get married to have sex." While still seeking to be entertaining, the host asked many questions, got many answers, and ended up concluding positively that he could not see how a law could stop people in their 40s and 50s from choosing UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on nationally syndicated America Now Radio with Andy Dean, with Simon Conway filling in, on December 26, 2013. This came after the District Court in Utah had effectively de-criminalized "de facto polygamy" in a favorable decision in the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case, before that case was later REVERSED in 2016. Also, TLC television network had announced that a second reality-TV show would be pending in the following March, 2014, called "My 5 Wives." This radio show was a politically conservative program with a consverative audience. The fill-in host became hostile when his repeated gaslighting attempts in trying to set a rhetorical trap consistently failed. Mark Henkel saw through the trap and consistently answered appropriately, standing in using the show's audience's own limited government commonplace language. The host, revealing his own dishonesty, kept pretending, "I don't know why you don't want to answer" the question. Mark Henkel exposed that gaslighting falsehood, saying, "Because I have answered it. I have answered it repeatedly. You don't want, you don't like the answer, so you keep asking as if I haven't answered it. I am saying, 'NO SPECIAL RIGHTS. ' NO SPECIAL RIGHTS. It's very clear what I'm saying."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on The Jayne Carroll Show, on AM-1360 KUIK, in Washington County, Oregon, on April 18, 2016. This came after the news that the US Federal Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit in Denver, Colorado, had (unfortunately) REVERSED the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case as MOOT, one week earlier on April 11, 2016. Mark Henkel explained how & why the way by which the prosecutors in the case had cleverly caused the case to be mooted should terrify everyone across America, regardless of their views of polygamy. Many important sub-topics were able to be discussed in this positive interview: the history of the modern Christian Polygamy movement, the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate, the "10 Men & 10 Women" analogy of free marriage market economics, how & why the Left's "Marriage Equality" and the Right's "Marriage Protection" are both just Marriage Control, and more. Saying that these were "well presented," the host commented on the arguments saying, "they actually make a lot of sense to this person who is in favor of traditional marriage."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on The Joan Hamburg Show, with Len Berman filling in as the host, on WOR 710, in New York City, New York, on December 26, 2013. This came after the news that a federal court in Utah had effectively de-criminalized "de facto polygamy" in Utah. The fill-in host was very humble, polite, and genuinely respectful - asking a number of validly important questions. In the end, the host proclaimed, "Interesting conversation" and "I thank you for educating us."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on The Tom Barnard Show, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on January 27, 2016, the week after the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case was appealed at that US 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver, Colorado. This natually-humorous host found himself surprised at how serious and interesting the topic was. The many questions and the overall discussion comprehensively covered a lot of topical ground in so short a period of time. The host also laughed out loud more than once at some of the humorous responses that Mark Henkel gave back too. Besides the other co-hosts, Tom Barnard's wife was also a co-host on the show. Following Mark Henkel's "Seed & Garden Comparison" that explains the choices, biology, and anthropology of why we tend to see more examples of families choosing polygyny more than polyandry, the co-host wife respectfully concluded, "You do a great sales job on this whole thing." In the end, the host concluded, "Magnificent. You're a terrific guest, very knowledgable about the subject, and it's... I don't know... I find it very fascinating."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Mancow Show, the nationally syndicated show hosted by Erich "Mancow" Muller of Q-101 WKQX in Chicago, Illinois, on March 15, 2006. Days before, the never-done-before premiere of a new polygamy-topic TV series on HBO called, "Big Love," aired. This recording begins with the pre-interview to reveal the difference from how the show was described versus the sophomoric silliness that occurred on the actual show. At one point, Mancow went off into the silliness of shouting "How many wives?" 17 times in a row. Later, one of the side co-hosts proclaimed the hilarious (in its context) line, "I'm not an individual, I'm black!" and then proceeded to interrupt the rest of the interview. The host, Mancow himself, however, said, "I want to talk to the guy." Nevertheless, Mark Henkel's arguments were successfully persuasive. The other silliness notwithstanding, Mancow did say, "I like the idea," and he concluded the interview by saying, "I think in a world where we have so many illegitimate kids and guys with multiple women, polygamy works."
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on The Mike Schikman Show, on WSVA NewsRadio 550-AM & 92.1-FM, in Harrisonburg, Virginia, on August 18, 2017 to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, on the news of the then-breaking Gallup poll. On July 28, 2017, Gallup reported a poll that found a surprising increase in the number of Americans who found polygamy to be "morally acceptable." At 17% in 2017, this number was up 3 percentage points from the year before in 2016, and it was up 10 percentage points from the decade before in 2007. Not only that, but these poll results occurred despite the fact that the US Supreme Court had declined (in the previous January, 2017) to even hear the appeal of the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case, which had unfortunately been reversed (by nothing more than a "legal standing" technicality).
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed for National Geographic Television, by Associate Producer Dana Kemp, on July 24, 2003, researching for developing an episode for a second season of one of their programs. One month after the Supreme Court's Lawrence v. Texas decision of June 26, 2003, this 83-minute interview was one of the groundbreaking & history-making interviews that paved the way for eventual TV shows about polygamy in a positive presentation. (Indeed, 15 years ago, this interview was even available on tape for $19.95 - but it is now fully free here!) The woman producer even said that the positive standard of "love-not-force" was what made her go "Bingo!" in realizing that Christian Polygamy and UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) are really positive choices for the women who choose it. In an era when TV producers would only show polygamists as abusive criminals, this comprehensively educational interview was an essential key that opened the door for the following future changes in television that would later report polygamy in vastly more positive ways.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on Good Morning Show, hosted by Gary Sadlemyer, on KFAB NewsRadio 1110, in Omaha, Nebraska, on April 20, 2016. This interview occurred after the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case was REVERSED on April 11, 2016, by the US 10th Circuit of Appeals in Denver, Colorado, not based on the merits of any argument, but only by a technicality that mooted the legal standing of the family to file the case. The host shared how he thought that the arguments of the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution sounded libertarian to him. He asked positive and legitimate questions, eventually even admitting to Mark Henkel, saying, "Well, you lay it out really well, Mark." Asking how the movement goes forward from this REVERSAL, Mark Henkel explained how the OMOWs (One Man One Woman supporters) now only have three remaining options to choose. 1, die and give up forever. 2, accept this WIN-WIN solution to abolish all marriage control so that there is no legalized marriage for anyone. Or 3, continue to fail in trying the same failed idea of a marriage control amendment that is never going to be ratified by the required number of 38 states. The only option that the OMOWs have left is the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution, whereby everyone -all sides- are free.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Liz Gotthelf, reporter for the Journal Tribune, in Biddeford, Maine, on December 21, 2006, for an article published on January 6, 2007, titled, "Multiple Marriage - Old Orchard Beach polygamist Mark Henkel speaks to benefits of more than one wife." (During the opening 7 minutes of pre-interview phonecall on December 19, 2006, the "8 beeps" merely block out a non-public telephone number.) Consistently using the rhetorical commonplace terms of evangelical Christians, sharing this hour-plus long interview can be used as one of the most powerful tools to successfully persuade other evangelical Christians of both the conservative arguments of limited government and of the Christian morality arguments of Biblicality and being pro-woman. This discussion teaches of the Reformation, presuppositions, the Biblical issues of Law & Grace under Old & New Covenants, numerous Scripture citations, Mark Henkel's own history in the modern movement of Christian Polygamy, how that catapulted hgim to the national stage for the overall movement of UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), and so much comprehensively more. He also makes it clear how the political position of the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution means that anyone's differing religious position (e.g., to such questions as polyandry and same sex marriage) does not matter because the solution does not impose on anyone else by law, allowing all people to be free and having no one being able to use the govermment to impose any re-definition of marriage one way or another. As Mark Henkel explains, "'Government Marriage' is an invention. Not one man, not one woman, were ever married by government in the Bible." For all Christians, and for anyone (else, regardless of being Christian or not) who wants to learn how to use Christian argumentations to successfully persuade Christians that the Bible never banned polygamy for consenting adults, this is a "must-hear" interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on Poppoff with Mary Jane Popp, on KAHI 104.5-FM & 950-AM, in Sacramento, California, on February 1, 2016, the week after the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case was appealed at the US 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver, Colorado. The host conducted the interview as a genuine professional, asking numerous excellent questions with respectul politeness. The answers include many concepts that help people understand UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy - such as definitions of polygamy, polygyny, and polyandry; anthropology, biology, and Biblical history; the Dr. Joyce Brothers 1994 quote; women choose the man in species; the seed and garden example; "Manufactured News outlets;" "10 men & 10 women" analogy of free marriage market economics; "stay-at-home mom & travelling high-career woman" example of choice; and the reason for hope that the Supreme Court might uphold the lower court's decision in Brown v. Buhman to de-criminalize "de facto polygamy:" saying, "If you can't prosecute monogamists for shacking up, you can't prosecute polygamists for shacking up." (It should be noted here that, unfortunately, that did NOT happen later in 2016 and 2017, when the Appeals Court instead REVERSED and then the Supreme Court DECLINED to hear the case at all.) http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Frank Pastore Show, for "The Intersection of Faith and Reason" on KKLA 99.5, in Glendale, California, on March 21, 2006, for the Christian-based syndication Salem Radio Network. The pre- & post-interview conversations are also included to demonstrate the promise and the expressed "guarantee" that the host would not be "lying in wait" to "sandbag" Mark Henkel. (NOTE: the 8-beep sounds simply block out non-public telephone numbers.) Non-Christian listeners hearing this now will want to remember that this is a situation of a Christian speaking with a Christian radio show in 2006, using the commonplace rhetoric and terminology known to that specific Christian audience. The host was so shocked that he could not refute a single argument made by Mark Henkel, and surprised that Mark Henkel knew and used more known-Christian commonplaces and verses than the host did, that the host immediately succumbed to betraying his professed Christianity. Instead of lovingkindness, the host instead bragged of his "100,000 listeners" as he unrepentantly made ad hominem attacks, intentional misrepresentations, and even gaslighting. This needlessly-hostile interview is a must-hear interview for everyone who sincerely professes to be Christian, as it also demonstrates some of the best Biblical arguments for Christian Polygamy. One argument in particular gives the 3 reasons why Christians can not EVER use the "Adam & Eve story" to justify big government marriage control limiting marriage to the unbiblical "one man one woman" (OMOW) dogma. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Bill Meyer Show, on KMED FM-106.7 & AM-1440, in Medfield, Oregon, on January 25, 2016, in response to to the news that the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case was being appealed (January 21) at the US Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver, Colorado. Mark Henkel explained how the lower court had previously struck down the "cohabitation clause" and had narrowly limited the "purports clause" (to only applying to purporting to have multiple marriage licneses) in Utah's anti-polygamy state law - effectively de-criianlziing "de facto polygamy." Those polygamy-positive changes were then being appealed in the Tenth Circuit. After learning here that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polgamy, only sought de-criminalization not legalization, the host seemed surprised being in agreement. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Daniel Jeffreys, the US Bureau Chief for the London Daily Mail, in the United Kingdom, on February 5, 2002 - the week before the 2002 Winter Olympics held in Utah. This interview explained how criminal Tom Green was the "polygamy Tim MacVeigh," the difference between Mormon Polygamy & Christian Polygamy, and key Biblical arguments supporting polygamy as valid. It also noted how the media typically only seeks "circus acts" rather than allow polygamy rights to be argued on its intellectual arguments. The de-criminalization-not-legalization Agenda and the "House of Cards" strategy to achieve that Agenda were also detailed. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the guest on The Chip Franklin Show, on KGO 810, in San Francisco, California, on June 23, 2017. This radio interview with a surprisingly-hostile host occurred during the week that San Francisco was celebrating "Pride Week," following the story of a California married man and married wife choosing together to add a third wife. Making note that it was also "Pride Week" there that week, Mark Henkel explained the hypocrisy of the LGBT side's opposition to UCAP Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy making their own choices of relationships. "From the marriage equality side of the marriage debate, you're completely denying the marriage equality for the B in LGBT." Mark Henkel also explained how such so-called "marriage equality" is actually a "George Orwell 'Animal Farm' kind of equality where some are less equal than others." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by the Rocky Mountains US reporter Greg Carney on July 3, 2003, for the French national news agency, Agence France-Presse. This interview sought the pro-polygamy response to the US Supreme Court decision of Lawrence v. Texas, decided the previous week on June 26, 2003. This positive & professional interview permitted the making of many of the key argumentations for unrelated consenting adult polygamy. It explained why the then-latest Supreme Court decision opened door for the next civil rights: Polygamy Rights for unrelated consenting adults. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the special guest on The Christal Frost Show, on WTCM NewsTalk 580, in Traverse City, Michigan, on April 13, 2016. This was following the breaking news from two days previously, on April 11th, that the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit, in Denver, Colorado, had formally reversed the lower court’s decision in the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case. The appeals court had not decided the polygamy case "on the merits" of any arguments; rather, they had merely vacated the lower court decision on a "legal standing" technicality, holding the matter moot. Mark Henkel explained the details of the case. The woman host was very professional and respectful. After admitting her initial thoughts about the topic, the host later positively acknowledged that she had no problem with adults freely choosing UCAP, Urelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the special guest on The Sterling Show, on 610 WTVN, in Columbus, OH, on October 30, 2001, to discuss Christian Polygamy as a rather new modern movement "Continuing the Reformation" with other Christians. Sterling, the host, seemed unfamilar with that historic term (i.e., "The Reformation"). This interview occurred only 48 days after the infamous 911 attack on the US, which explains why Mark Henkel refused to let the host even try to subtly hint at any possible connection to the horrific evils of terrorism. In those days back then, the correctly-convicted criminal Tom Green had, at that time, been the media's then-latest obsession of progandizing against polygamy. Callers also initiated discussions, ranging from the difference of Mormon polygamy vs Christian polygamy to Bible verse citations of Solomon's (disallowed multiplying) vs & David's (allowed adding) wives, and more. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by "The Real Bob Mitchell" on WWL, 870 AM & 105.3 FM, in New Orleans, LA, on January 25, 2016. On the previous Thursday, January 21, 2016, the Brown v. Buhman case (aka, the “Sister Wives” case) was being heard at the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the Tenth District, in Denver, Colorado. The appeal was filed by the State of Utah, following the lower federal court's ruling in the case on December 13, 2013, that had effectively de-criminalized "de facto polygamy" (i.e., polygamy where only one legal marriage license to one spouse exists). The host rightly exclaimed that it makes no sense to criminalize UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) families for doing nothing more than shacking up like anyone else. This host even offered to "go to court to make this argument." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Doug McIntyre, on McIntrye in the Morning, on KABC, in Culver City, CA, on August 30, 2006 - the day after the FBI found and arrested criminal fugitive Warren Jeffs of the FLDS. Rather than discuss that case and reveal that UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, oppose that criminal, Jeffs and his cult, the host attempted to use this interview to discredit and insult, revealing how abusive and insulting some media can be, even as a conservative. It backfired on him, though. When the host's own rhetoric exposed his willingness to support modern liberal/Democrat positions opposite of his Catholic conservative claims, the host unwittingly revealed how he knew that he had no argument: the host's insults went so far as to mockingly say he'd create "ChristianCannibals.org," followed by his ad hominem silliness of namecalling Mark Henkel as "the quintessential right wingnut" who was "thrown out of a Star Trek convention," "cuckoo," in "insanity," and in need to "get therapy." (Listen to the very end, as this interview shows how dishonest and abusive some media can truly be.) http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on the TV news network, Al Jazeera America, on December 14, 2013 to discuss the Federal Court's polygamy-positive ruling made the day before in the Brown v. Buhman ("Sister Wives") case. [NOTE: This ruling would be later REVERSED on a "legal standing technicality" by the Tenth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (2016) and then DECLINED to even be heard by the US Supreme Court (2017).] The day before this interview, a lower Federal District Court had struck down the "cohabits prong" of Utah's 1973 anti-bigamy law, limited the definition of opf that law's "purports prong," and thereby de-criminalized "de facto polygamy" (before being later REVERSED in 2016). This interview explains and discusses that December 13, 2013 lower court ruling. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on "Howling at the Moon" with Dr. Toni Cook, on June 17, 2000, on KTLK radio in Denver, CO. The host was doctor, a woman, and a pastor of a liberal church. Many excellent questions about the Scriptural proofs of Christian Polygamy were asked and answered, even as the host very clearly self-identified as a liberal version. The standard of "love-not-force" was also given in-depth, explaining the call for husbands to grow up to love wives as truly selflessly as Christ loves the churches. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Ron Strom on July 3, 2003, for an online article published on July 4, 2003, titled, "Polygamists see open door for acceptance." This interview sought the pro-polygamy response to the US Supreme Court decision of Lawrence v. Texas, decided the previous week on June 26, 2003. WorldNetDaily was a vehemently constitutionalist conservative news site with a strong evangelical Christian foundation as well. Mark Henkel intentionally used the tribal commonoplace rhetoric known to (and "required by") conservatives of that time, in order to establish his ethos as a serious, Bible-studied, non-Mormon, Christian constitutionalist - by which to successfully make his arguments to persuade that specific conservative Christian audience in 2003. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Morning News with Ken & Mike, on December 18, 2006, on News Radio 560 WGAN, in Portland, Maine - a local talk radio show with numerous nationally-sydnicated conservative news & talk radio programs. Both hosts, each coming from different sides of the political spectrum, completely agreed that, if people want to marry polygamously, the government has no business being involved. They both asked excellent and kindly respectful questions. This interview ended up becoming yet another one of the most comprehensive while simultaneously succinct on-air explanations about Christian Polygamy and how the "Polygamy Rights Solution" for all forms of UCAP (Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy) provides the way to finally end the marriage debate altogether in a win-win for all sides. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by reporter Kate Silver on November 14, 2001, for a magazine article published in the November 21, 2001, issue, titled, "Jesus loves polygamy, this I know (Christians use Internet as polygamy too)." This interview asked and provided numerous questions and comprehensive answers explaining Mark Henkel's ethos as a non-Mormon Christian, the TruthBearer.org organization, the Protestant "Sola Scriptura" history, presuppositions, & paradigm, the rhetoric argumentions of the newly growing modern movement of Christian Polygamy (the movement which made the later, larger movement possible for overall UCAP Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy), details of how Mormon Polygamy doctrines are specifially different from the Christian Polygamy paradigm, and the "House of Cards" strategy to overcome anti-polygamy thinking. (History Note: this interview took place 2 months after 9/11 - yes, in that year 2001.) http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Nancy Grace on the television program, The Nancy Grace Show, on HLN, on January 14, 2014, in response to the December 13, 2013, decision by a federal judge in Utah to strike down the "cohabitation clause" in that State's bigamy law - effectively de-criminalizing "de facto poygamy" (ie., polygamy with only one wife having a government marriage license). The host revealed a visibly and audibly hostile agenda, spoke over Mark Henkel, did not let him answer her questions, and then stopped asking him anything for the last 3 minutes of the segment Nevertheless, Mark Henkel ended appearing as the far more rational person in the exchange, making the positive case for UCAP, unrelated consenting adult polygamy, despite the host. He also successfuly stated some persuasive soundbites, including his "we don't criminalize all football players because of Jerry Sandusky" quote. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Emmy Award winning journalist & anchor at the desk, Kristine Frazao, on the television network, RT America, on August 4, 2011. The interview opened with information that, then-currently in Russia, as women outnumber men by about 10 million, that shortage of men has many women in that country consenting to a polygamist lifestyle. The anchor segued from that point to ask if the US should consider that too in America, as the introduction to the interview to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy in the US. This woman anchor asked excellent questions, and she had to positively chuckle at one of the humorous argumentations presented (re: incentivizing men to grow up). A number of important key arguments for UCAP polygamy were asked and fairly allowed to be succinctly presented in this otherwise seemingly brief interview.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Bards Logic Political Talk, hosted by Robert Jetter Jr., with a round-table of the show's additional Conservative and Christian co-hosts, on July 15, 2015, to discuss the ramifications of the Obergefell v. Hodges decision by the Supreme Court (the month before) as it applies to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. This show lasted just under 3 hours (yes, THREE HOURS!), addressing numerous issues and questions raised by the show's round-table of co-hosts. This comprehensive 2-hour, 45-minute interview is a "must hear" for every listener who self-identifies as a political Conservative, a Christian, or both - as well as anyone else who wants to learn how to make such arguments to those who DO so self-identify.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Thom Hartmann Program, by Thom Hartmann himself, nationally syndicated radio and TV show, on June 13, 2013, (and re-broadcast the next day), to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The show is marketed/billed as "America's Number 1 Progressive Radio Show." When the politically-liberal host tried to use an example of a rogue cult that had ejected teeneage boys (to "make way for men competing for the girls to marry") as if that example is what modern secular America would supposedly "also" do if polygamy was de-criminalized, he was quickly set straight on that fallacy. Emphasis that UCAP is about "Unrelated Consenting Adults" was repeatedly expressed to the host. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Understanding the Law, hosted by attorney Peter Lamont, UTLRadio.com, on May 22, 2014, to discuss legal issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Just under an hour in length, this comprehensive legal discussion addressed numerous issues, including definitions of terms, how anti-polygamy laws developed in the US, how anti-polygamy was never about being egalitarian, Marriage Control, Marriage Protection, Marriage Equality, Orwellian doublethink and people's acts of insanity to preserve their sanity, and much, much more. A Woman caller also called in, sharing her own positive perspective of polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Jiggy Jaguar Show, hosted by James Lowe (aka Jiggy Jaguar), in Hutchinson Kansas, on January 27, 2010, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. The typically humorous and irreverant host was genuinely respectful and positive. He asked questions that permitted rather lengthy comprehensive answers, including the different forms of polygamy, the beginnings of the TruthBearer.org Organization in the '90s, how that catapulted the larger movement for all forms of consenting adult polygamy, how the Bible never created the "one man one woman" (OMOW) doctrine, the history of Christianity in general and "The Reformation," and how the "house of cards" strategy will persuade Conservatives, Christians, and then other anti-polyamous constituencies to embrace a win-win solution to end marriage control. This was another host who, at one point in the interview, declares, "Wow!"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The John Carney Show on 1120 KMOX in St. Louis MO, at 11:20pm (local time) on January 28, 2010, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. (This was 12:20am ET time zone, January 29, 2010.) As the host was surprised that Mark Henkel was not Mormon, the interview discussed polygamy in the Bible, Christian Polygamy and other forms of UCAP, the movement's "House of Cards" strategy to persuade Conservatives & Christians, and how no one in the Bible was ever "married by government." The host concluded, "I never really did understand the prospect of: 'it's not really legitimate until you get a piece of paper from the state.'"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Rude Awakening Show on Ocean 98.1 WOCM in Ocean City MD (serving "DelMarVa" & NJ) on January 25, 2010, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. While the co-host spoke positively about HBO's "Big Love," the main host, "Bulldog" (David Rothner), lived up to his nickname, asking why polygamists could not opt to just "NOT get married." States such as Virginia & Maryland still criminalizing a married man having relations with anyone NOT his legally married wife, combined with the co-habitation clause in those states' bigamy statutes, do make it a crime. Also explained: different paradigms of polygamy (Mormon polygamy, Christian polygamy, Secular polygamy, etc.), the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution to end the marriage debate, and how that solution shows how it does not matter if one does or does not religiously support same sex marriage, polyandry, etc.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on nationally syndicated radio program, America Tonight with Kate Delaney, on November 27, 2012, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, whether or not TV series "Big Love" and "Sister Wives" portray image of polygamy accurately, why the movement is a woman's choice issue, why some women willingly do choose UCAP polygamy, and how the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution can end the marriage debate once and for all by allowing all sides to "save face" and have a political "win." http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Lanigan and Malone Show on Majic 105.7 WMJI in Cleveland OH, on February 2, 2010, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. Host John Lanigan asked humorous questions while co-host Jimmy Malone was seemingly determined to try to trip up their guest (to no avail). The result yielded deep explanations about the movement's formal standard of love-not-force and how husbands can not and must not force polygamy on their wives. This also gave additonal reference to http://www.LoveNotForce.com and http://www.2Wives.com too.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Tara Servatius Show on News-Talk 1110 WBT in Charlotte, NC, on September 24, 2010, to discuss "Polygamy Rights as the Next Civil Rights Battle," to answer questions about UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, and to explain the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Daily Affair, hosted by relationship expert, Stacey Nelkin, on June 24, 2011, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the definitions and differences between polygyny and polyandry, the history and legal issues, and how the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution will end the marriage debate. Speaking to a politically liberal audience (including callers), this comprehensive half-hour interview explained the "house of cards" strategy and how conservative Christians are -and will be- persuaded by this Win-Win Solution because it uses their own arguments. In the end, reacting to the arguments presented, this host even proclaimed, "I love it!"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Metro South Morning News with Kevin Tocci, on 1460 WXBR, in Brockton, (serving greater Boston) Massachusetts, on February 3, 2010, to discuss his famous polygamy soundbites, the differences of variations of polygamy (Secular polygamy, Mormon polygamy, Muslim Polygamy, Jewish polygamy, Christian polygamy, etc.), the Biblical/evangelical basis for Christian Polygamy, what that one form of Christian Polygamy is NOT, the definitions & re-definitions of marriage, and how NationalPolyamyAdvocate.com is for all forms of UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by Branden Rathert, on Live Talk Radio on NewsRadio 1620 WNRP, in Pensacola, Florida, on October 1, 2010, to discuss issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the Constitutional arguments for de-criminalizing it, and the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate. http://www.NationalPolygamyAdvocate.com
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by "Mr. Happy," JP ("Gus") Godsey, on The JP Godsey Show on WHKT Freedom 1650 in Chesapeake, Virginia, on September 30, 2010, to discuss issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the Biblical & Limited Government argumentations for de-criminalizing it, and the "Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution" to end the marriage debate.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed by April Zesbaugh on NewsRadio 850 KOA in Denver, Colorado, on October 1, 2010, to discuss issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, the debut of the then-new reality-TV Show ("Sister Wives"), and how a police investigation had been opened against the polygamous family from the show.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Keeler in the Morning, hosted by Bill Keeler (and entourage), on 92.7 WXUR The Drive in Utica, New York, on October 1, 2010, to discuss issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy, a then-new reality-TV Show ("Sister Wives"), and the HBO fictional show ("Big Love").
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Celebrity Court Radio, hosted by attorney Elizabeth Kelley, on October 10, 2010, to discuss legal issues pertaining to UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy - following reports that Kody Brown of TLC's brand-new reality TV show, "Sister Wives," had then just married his 4th wife.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on Straight Talk with Cleveland Rippons, on WCEM AM 1240 radio in Cambridge, Maryland, on August 2, 2011, to discuss UCAP, Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy. This interview comprehensively answered many questions (from Bible to laws), provided numerous historic details, and explained how the Polygamy Rights Win-Win Solution can end the marriage control war once and for all.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on The Ed Tyll Show on the Big 810 AM WEUS, in Orlando, Florida, on August 5, 2011, to discuss normal, healthy, "legitimate polygamy," its difference from from Warren Jeffs and the FLDS, the historic subterfuge by which anti-polygamy laws were unconstitutionally brought to pass, and why such laws must now be repealed. Considering this interview's brevity, it was so in-depth & informative that the host even proclaimed, "WOW!"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was interviewed on the "OPEN COURT: Bloom & Politan" television show with hosts Lisa Bloom and Vinnie Politan, on Court TV (the predecessor to TruTV), on September 20, 2007 to discuss difference between Warren Jeffs versus normal, healthy polygamy in the USA.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the hour-long invited guest on KOA NewsRadio 850 with host Rick Barber, in Denver Colorado, on April 7, 2011, to discuss polygamy in the USA.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the invited guest on "The Game" radio talk show, with host, nationally syndicated columnist, Ken Hoffman, on 1560 KGOW in Houston, Texas, on June 10, 2008, to discuss polygamy in general, following the April 2008 government raid of the FLDS cult in Texas.
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the invited guest on on nationally syndicated radio program, The Michael Medved Show, on November 20, 2007, to speak about the national movement for Unrelated Consenting Adult Polygamy (UCAP), asking the question, "If Heather Can Have 2 Mommies, why can't she have 2 Mommies AND a Daddy?"
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National Polygamy Advocate ™ Mark Henkel was the invited guest on the radio show, Court TV Morning with Vinnie Politan, with Michel Bryant as fill-in host, on November 13, 2007, to discuss the pending sentencing of Warren Jeffs the next week afterward.
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