Vertical Playpen: Recent Episodes
High 5 Adventure Learning Center
Want to learn more about Adventure and Experiential Education? Then this podcast is for you!
Listeners of this podcast will get;
- Adventure Programming Theory
- Facilitation Tips
- Activity Ideas
- Industry Career Advice
- Interviews from Industry Professionals
High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
Beau Lotto shares how to navigate uncertainty, and that changes everything about how you teach, lead, parent, and design experiences. Adventure, awe, play, trust, and challenge are all on the table in this conversation. Beau reframes adventure as life itself, not as extreme sports, but as the ongoing art of moving through white water, familiar patterns, and moments that ask for courage instead of control. You'll discover:
- why adventure is not the same as exploration
- how awe and wonder can be created in everyday moments
- why "just do it" language can shrink performance and confidence
- what the brain does with fear, familiarity, and first impressions
Beau also introduces the idea of "how you enter" as the hidden lever that shapes every experience. The way you frame challenge, ask questions, give feedback, and respond to uncertainty can expand someone's capacity or shut it down before it starts. This episode goes far beyond outdoor education. It speaks to anyone trying to help people grow in a world that keeps changing faster than our old answers can keep up. If you want to lead better, teach better, or understand yourself more honestly, this is essential listening. Beau Lotto is a neuroscientist, author, and founder of the Hummingbird Learning Lab and evolvable.me, where he explores how humans adapt, perceive, and grow through uncertainty. His work connects brain science with learning, creativity, and the design of transformational experiences. Perfect for educators, facilitators, parents, leaders, and anyone who wants to turn challenge into growth without turning it into panic.
Learn more about Beau - https://www.beaulotto.com/
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Anyone using your VPP15 code - https://facilitators-corner.com/workshopdeck - will receive a 15% discount off In this episode, Mehdi and Phil explore the art of workshop design, emphasizing the importance of understanding the 'why' behind activities, the value of mastering core facilitation techniques, and how to grow as a facilitator through deliberate practice and reflection. * The importance of understanding the 'why' behind facilitation activities * Mastering core facilitation techniques and frameworks * The value of deliberate practice and experimentation in facilitation * The Six Cs framework for effective workshops: Connection, Clarity, Creativity, Commitment, Celebration, Callback * The role of reflection and iteration in facilitator growth
Learn more about Mehdi - https://facilitators-corner.com/
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In this episode, Sean Campbell from Canopy Craft shares his journey from childhood curiosity to professional tree net crafter. We explore the art, craft, safety standards, and community aspects of tree net making, along with practical tips for beginners.
- Sean's journey into tree net crafting
- The importance of safety standards in tree nets
- Community and gatekeeping in the tree net scene
- Techniques for tensioning and weaving tree nets
- Balancing art, craft, and safety in rope work
Learn more about Canopy Craft and Tree Nets - https://canopycraft.thinkific.com/
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Phil shares his approach to teaching knot tying, emphasizing practical techniques, error recognition, and effective teaching strategies.
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Phil shares personal stories and lessons learned from facilitation mistakes, emphasizing the importance of transparency, adaptability, and continuous growth in experiential education.
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Phil Brown explains the 'Spheres of Acceptable Practice' model to help understand industry standards, local procedures, and instructor preferences in adventure and climbing safety. This episode covers how to navigate safety protocols, industry regulations, and personal techniques to ensure safety and compliance. * Spheres of Acceptable Practice model * Industry safety standards and regulations * Local operating procedures and vendor guidelines * Instructor preferences and industry nuance
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This episode is a little different.
We gave NotebookLM access to our website and training literature and asked a simple question: what are the benefits of adventure and experiential education?
The result? A deep dive into why challenge, reflection, and adventure experiences continue to be such powerful tools for growth.
And yes — everything you hear in this episode is AI.
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In this interview, Phil Brown and Mike Martin explore the transformative power of experiential education, the importance of reflection and follow-up, and the future role of technology like AI in connecting and developing people. * The importance of reflection and follow-up in experiential learning * Strategies for managing the unexpected in facilitation * The role of AI in enhancing human connection and learning * Stories of transformative moments in experiential education * The concept of 'your fault' and ownership in group dynamics
Learn more about Praxis Learning - https://praxislearning.com/
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In this inspiring interview, Andrew Alexander King shares his journey from Detroit to becoming a mountaineer, surfer, and advocate for diversity in outdoor education. Discover insights on experiential learning, embracing failure, and mentoring the next generation. * Experiential learning cycle and reflection * The role of failure in growth and resilience * Diversity and inclusion in outdoor education
Learn more about Andrew - https://www.andrewalexanderking.work/about
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In this episode, Hutch Hutchinson, a senior lecturer at Boston University, shares his extensive experience and insights into the history and impact of outdoor and experiential education. He discusses the evolution of outdoor education from the 19th century to today, the philosophical differences in educational models, and practical advice for emerging professionals in the field. * History of outdoor education * Philosophy of experiential learning * Impact of outdoor education on student development
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In this episode, we explore the powerful concept of 'sweeping the shed' from James Kerr's book 'Legacy,' emphasizing humility, leadership by example, and the importance of small acts in building strong teams and cultures. * The concept of 'sweeping the shed' from James Kerr's 'Legacy' * Humility as a leadership trait and its impact * The importance of small acts and leading by example * Real-life examples of humility in sports and business * Building a culture of service and accountability
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In this interview, organizational development facilitator Mike Cardus shares insights on experiential learning, facilitation wisdom, and adapting activities to different contexts. Discover how to enhance your facilitation skills, innovate activities, and connect more deeply with groups across various environments. * Experiential learning and psychodynamics * Facilitation wisdom and handling ambiguity * Innovating and adapting activities for different contexts
Learn more about Mike - https://mikecardus.com/
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In this episode, Jill Vialet, founder of Playworks, shares insights on the importance of play in childhood development, the science behind play, and practical activities to incorporate play into daily life. She discusses her journey, stories from her work, and the future of play in education and society.
Learn more about Playworks - https://www.playworks.org/
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In this interview, Danny Bauer, aka The Ruckus Maker, shares his journey from student to educator, emphasizing the importance of disruption, joy, and authenticity in schools. Discover how making a ruckus can transform education by fostering impact, courage, and meaningful relationships.
Learn more about Danny - https://betterleadersbetterschools.com/
Listen to Better Leaders, Better Schools podcast - https://betterleadersbetterschools.com/podcast/
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this episode, Phil discusses the importance of proper equipment storage at challenge courses. He highlights common issues such as equipment being stored in damp areas, lack of organization, and staff using equipment for personal use. Phil provides steps to improve equipment storage, including organizing gear for easy inspection, discarding and replacing faulty equipment, establishing local operating procedures, securing equipment in a locked area, and implementing a no personal use policy. He also emphasizes the need for a designated challenge course manager and the importance of program accountability and participant experience. * Proper equipment storage is crucial for the safety and effectiveness of challenge courses. * Organize gear to facilitate inspections and ensure all equipment is accounted for. * Discard and replace any equipment that does not meet safety standards. * Establish local operating procedures for storage, use, and inspection of equipment. * Secure equipment in a locked area to prevent unauthorized access and protect it from moisture and vermin. * Implement a no personal use policy to avoid liability and maintain equipment integrity. * Designate a challenge course manager to oversee program accountability and ensure a positive participant experience.
Roam Storage Cases - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/equipment-storage/products/roam-adventure-co-rugged-casses
High 5 Guide - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/books-digital-resources/products/the-high-5-guide-challenge-course-operating-procedures-for-the-thinking-practitioner-2nd-edition
Contact Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Rebecca Courtney shares her journey of valuing influence, experimenting with playful activities, and redefining success in facilitation. In this episode we discuss;
- Rebecca's motivations for transitioning from AJ&Smart to solo consulting
- How her background in teaching influences her facilitation style
- The importance of play in adult learning and overcoming resistance
- Strategies for introducing playful exercises in serious corporate settings
- The role of reflection in reinforcing playful activities' value
- Creative ways to adapt when room setups or materials are not ideal
- The impact of pressure and time limits on creative spontaneity
- Tips for closing workshops effectively without vague final summaries
- Navigating the balance between influence and neutrality as a facilitator
- How to cultivate a facilitator flow state and trust your intuition
- Rebecca Courtney's Website & Toolkit
- Newsletter Signup
Rebecca on LinkedIn
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In this insightful interview, Lisa Riegel shares her journey from education to neuroscience, emphasizing the importance of understanding brain science to transform educational systems. Discover practical strategies for creating engaging, relevant, and supportive learning environments that foster student and teacher well-being.
Learn more about Lisa and her work - https://lisariegel.com/
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Phil is joined by Jan Keck to explore innovative approaches to group facilitation, risk-taking, and designing impactful activities. Jan shares practical frameworks like the 'campfire method' and 'risk ramp' to help facilitators create safer, more engaging spaces that encourage authentic participation. * The campfire analogy for reflection and learning * Replacing traditional icebreakers with meaningful activities * The concept of a 'risk ramp' to gradually increase participant comfort * The importance of setting clear promises and expectations * Strategies for effective time management in facilitation
Pre-order the book here - https://www.jankeck.com/campfire-campaign/
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Little Green Straw Activity -
Group Size: 8–30 participants
Time: 10–15 minutes
Materials:
- A small object (traditionally a green straw/pen, but any small item works)
Setup: Have the group stand or sit in a circle. One person (or the facilitator) secretly "hides" the pen somewhere on or near themselves while others close their eyes or look away.
Challenge: Participants open their eyes and try to find the "hidden" pen—without anyone moving or obviously revealing it.
Once someone spots it, they do not announce it. Instead, they quietly sit down (or give a subtle signal) indicating they've found it.
The round ends when most of the group has found the object.
Progression: Run multiple rounds, increasing difficulty:
- Start with moderately hidden
- Move to more obvious-but-overlooked placements
- Final round: place the pen in plain sight (e.g., behind the facilitator's ear, on their shoulder, or clipped visibly)
This usually produces the "aha" moment—participants realize they were overthinking or searching too hard.
Debrief Questions: * What strategies did you use to find the pen? * When did you feel most/least successful? * What made the final round difficult, even though it was more visible? * How did your assumptions affect what you were looking for? * Where do we miss "obvious" things in real work or life?
In this interview, Beth Cougler Blom discusses her book 'Everyday Acts of Facilitation,' emphasizing the human, interpersonal, and mindset skills essential for effective facilitation. The conversation explores how facilitation is rooted in communication, authenticity, and everyday moments that foster connection and learning beyond traditional activities. * The essence of facilitation as communication and micro-moments * The importance of human humanness and authenticity in facilitation * The role of mindset and self-awareness in effective facilitation * How everyday life experiences shape facilitation skills * The challenge of defining and marketing facilitation to broader audiences
Find out more about Beth and her publications - https://bcblearning.com/
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Lisa Hunt explores the concepts of real and fake jobs in challenge course programming, emphasizing the importance of meaningful participation and efficient resource use. Lisa discusses how to identify essential tasks, avoid unnecessary ones, and foster genuine engagement among participants. * Distinction between real and fake jobs in challenge courses * Strategies for meaningful participant engagement * Resource management and safety in adventure programming
Lisa's Conversation with Ken Demas
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Robb Armstrong explore the intersections of experiential education, personal growth, and community building. They share insights on the importance of authentic connections, the value of one-on-one mentorship, and navigating neurodivergence in professional and personal life.
- The importance of authentic human connections
- The impact of neurodivergence on facilitation and leadership
- Building community through play and empathy
Reach out and connect with Robb - armstrong.robb@gmail.com
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Chris Ortiz and Lisa Hunt explore the intricacies of team dynamics and group behavior. They discuss the importance of understanding group dynamics in various roles, including education and facilitation. The conversation delves into Kurt Lewin's equation of behavior, the impact of expectations on participant engagement, and the role of emotional intelligence in group settings. They also highlight the significance of reading the room, challenging assumptions, and creating inclusive environments for effective facilitation. The discussion emphasizes the need for facilitators to be aware of group dynamics and to use indicator activities to gain insights into participant behavior. * Team dynamics are crucial in various roles, including education and facilitation. * Group dynamics and team dynamics can be used interchangeably. * Behavior is influenced by individual characteristics and the environment. * Expectations set by facilitators impact participant engagement. * Emotional intelligence plays a significant role in group dynamics. * Participants' prior relationships affect group behavior. * Creating inclusive environments is essential for effective facilitation. * Reading the room is a vital skill for facilitators. * Assumptions about participants can lead to misunderstandings. * Indicator activities can provide insights into group dynamics.
Learn more about Chris Ortiz - https://sites.psu.edu/chrisortiz/
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Phil Brown and Steve Smith delve into the realm of safety science, exploring its evolution and the importance of a positive approach to safety management. They discuss the need to reframe risk and safety, emphasizing learning from successes rather than just focusing on failures. The conversation highlights the shift from compliance-based safety protocols to a culture of continuous improvement and learning, ultimately fostering a more humane and effective safety environment. * Safety science uses scientific methods to improve safety management. * Learning from successes is as important as learning from failures. * A positive approach to safety management can enhance outcomes. * Organizations should focus on what goes right, not just what goes wrong. * Continuous learning can occur without waiting for tragedies to happen. * The traditional top-down approach to safety is outdated. * Safety management should be about learning, not blame. * Creating a culture of safety involves open communication and trust. * Compliance is necessary, but it shouldn't be the only focus. * The shift towards a more humanistic approach to safety is essential.
Learn more about the book and other offerings - https://www.outdoorrisk.com/
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In this episode of Vertical Playpen, Phil Brown and Celia Orsini delve into the intersection of archaeology and identity, exploring how understanding our past can enhance our sense of belonging and well-being. Celia shares her personal journey with archaeology, emphasizing the importance of landscape and community in shaping identity. The conversation highlights the role of empathy and communication in teams, the shift in community needs towards connection, and practical exercises for understanding identity through objects. Celia's insights provide valuable tools for fostering a sense of belonging in a world increasingly marked by loneliness. * Archaeology is fundamentally about identity processes. * Understanding our past helps us build community and belonging. * Experiencing landscapes can create emotional connections. * Identity is a fluid process influenced by our choices. * Empathy is essential for effective communication in teams. * Shared experiences build trust and foster collaboration. * The need for community has shifted from political tensions to addressing loneliness. * Practical exercises can help individuals explore their identity. * Objects on our desks can reflect our personal stories and connections. * Identity construction is an ongoing process that can be improved.
Learn more about Celia and Archaeology for Wellbeing and download the free ebook - https://www.archaeology-for-wellbeing.com/
Contact the podcast - podcast@high5adventure.org
Phil Brown and Brian Brushwood explore the intersection of storytelling and education, emphasizing the importance of engaging learning environments, the role of experience, and the power of empathy. They discuss how effective storytelling can draw in audiences, create connections, and enhance the learning process. Brian shares insights from his journey as a magician and educator, highlighting techniques for crafting compelling narratives and the significance of building relationships over transactional interactions. The discussion culminates in practical advice for educators and storytellers alike, focusing on the art of engagement and the cyclical nature of storytelling. * Storytelling is a powerful tool in education. * Engagement begins with a gift to the audience. * Experience is essential for effective learning. * Empathy enhances the learning process. * Building connections is more important than transactional relationships. * Good storytelling involves loops and callbacks. * Framing learning activities can enhance engagement. * The cycle of story, attention, and sales is crucial. * Techniques for effective storytelling can be learned. * The unofficial start of engagement can create excitement.
Reach out to Brian - shwood@gmail.com
Learn more about Brian - https://www.shwood.com/
Watch Scam Nation - https://www.youtube.com/@scamschool
Read Teller's letter to Brian - https://www.scamstuff.com/pages/the-best-letter-i-ever-received
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Phil and John Kelley explore the intersection of personal identity, self-expression, and the societal expectations surrounding appearance. They delve into topics such as facial hair, and the significance of grooming as a form of self-care and confidence. John shares his perspective on how he navigates societal norms while embracing his individuality, emphasizing the importance of authenticity in personal presentation. The discussion also touches on the deeper philosophical aspects of existence, with John reflecting on the interconnectedness of all beings and the experiential nature of education.
As the conversation progresses, the duo transitions into a discussion about their respective backgrounds in adventure education. John articulates how his artistic endeavors are intertwined with his experiences in adventure, highlighting the importance of service and authenticity in both realms. They explore the concept of 'awesomeness' as a blend of personal fulfillment and the impact one can have on others, ultimately leading to a rich dialogue about living a meaningful life through creativity and connection.
John's art, adventure and awesomeness - https://www.thundermountainworks.com/
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Phil is joined by Elijah Matelson (@eli.james) to explore the significance of posture in maintaining long-term health and preventing injuries. Elijah shares his personal journey with posture, emphasizing the importance of being aware of how our bodies feel and move throughout the day. They discuss practical daily habits to improve posture, the necessity of preparing the body for physical demands, and the shift from a reactive to a proactive approach in health. The conversation concludes with actionable tips for listeners to enhance their posture and overall well-being. * Posture is about how you feel in your body. * Good posture can reduce aches and pains. * Emotional state can influence physical posture. * Personal experiences can shape our understanding of posture. * Daily habits can significantly improve posture. * Awareness of body positions is crucial for health. * Proactive health practices are more effective than reactive ones. * Strength, mobility, and agility are key components of fitness. * Simple movements can lead to significant improvements in posture. * The environment we expose our bodies to affects our posture.
Find Elijah on the following socials;
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/eli.james/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/eli.matelson/
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In this engaging conversation, Phil Brown, Lisa Hunt, and Ty Gagne (Author of The Last Traverse, Where You'll Find Me and The Lions of Winter) explore the intricate relationship between risk and adventure. They discuss the importance of understanding risk heuristics, the dynamics of group decision-making, and the role of certifications in adventure education. Ty shares insights on how to learn from mistakes, the significance of communication in emergency situations, and the emotional challenges faced when telling stories of loss and adventure. The discussion also touches on the evolving perception of risk and the importance of encouraging adventure in a risk-averse society. * Adventure inherently involves risk and uncertainty. * Fear can be a beneficial aspect of adventure. * Heuristics are mental shortcuts that can lead to cognitive traps. * Situational awareness is crucial for safety in familiar environments. * Group dynamics significantly influence individual risk tolerance. * Certifications are important but should not replace personal judgment. * Learning from mistakes is essential for growth and safety. * Effective communication is vital in emergency situations. * Team dynamics can enhance or hinder safety in adventure settings. * Personal reflections on risk can lead to deeper understanding and empathy.
Learn more about Ty and his books - https://www.fullconditionsnh.com/
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This is episode 300! In this conversation, Jim Grout discusses his new book, emphasizing the importance of connection in leadership. He shares personal experiences that shaped his beliefs, the significance of authenticity, and the role of storytelling in effective leadership. The discussion also highlights the value of reflection and embracing uncertainty as a leader, ultimately encouraging listeners to lead with their hearts. * Leadership is rooted in connection rather than process. * Teachers exemplify the ultimate form of leadership through connection. * Caring is essential in leadership; people respond to those who care. * The title of the book reflects the importance of leading with heart. * Reflection questions in the book are designed to prompt personal growth. * Authenticity is crucial; leaders should be true to themselves. * Surrounding oneself with knowledgeable people enhances leadership effectiveness. * Embracing uncertainty is a natural part of leadership. * Storytelling is a powerful tool for connecting with others. * The world needs leaders who make good things happen.
Get the book - https://high5adventure.org/heart
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Katrina Kennedy explore the themes of learning and development, reflection, and facilitation. Katrina shares her insights on how reflection is not just about looking back but is action-oriented, emphasizing the importance of facilitating effective learning experiences. They discuss the evolution of facilitation, the role of silence, and the importance of connection in the learning process. Katrina also provides an overview of her book, which includes practical activities for facilitators to enhance their skills and engage learners effectively. * Learning and development encompasses various methods to help people perform effectively. * Reflection is action-oriented, focusing on what to do next after recalling experiences. * Facilitators should prioritize the needs of the learners over their own presentation style. * Silence in facilitation can be a powerful tool for reflection and engagement. * Facilitators must be adaptable and comfortable with the unknown during sessions. * Pre-reflection, mid-reflection, and post-reflection are crucial for effective learning. * Follow-up after training enhances behavior change and connection. * Individual reflection can be more valuable than group report-outs. * Facilitators should focus on outcomes when planning activities. * Katrina's book provides structured activities for both novice and experienced facilitators.
Learn more about Katrina - https://www.katrinakennedy.com/
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In this conversation, Phil and Leo explore the concept of connection, particularly in new environments, and how facilitators can foster deeper connections among participants. They discuss the importance of vulnerability, curiosity, and the role of tools like the 52 Fathoms deck in facilitating meaningful interactions. The conversation also touches on lessons learned from Leo's experience on Survivor, emphasizing the significance of observation and reflection in the facilitation process.
- Connection is a vital part of human interaction.
- Facilitators can guide deeper connections through thoughtful questions.
- Vulnerability can lead to more meaningful conversations.
- Using tools like 52 Fathoms can enhance group dynamics.
- Observation is key to understanding group interactions.
- Curiosity drives deeper engagement in conversations.
- Facilitators should adapt activities to fit their style.
- Conflict resolution can be learned from real-life experiences.
- Creating a safe space encourages openness among participants.
- Reflection on experiences enhances facilitation skills.
Learn more about Fulcrum Adventures - https://fulcrumadventures.com/
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Dr. Kate Lund explore the concept of resilience, particularly in the context of parenting and education. They discuss the importance of fostering resilience in children, the role of parents in modeling behavior, and the impact of anxiety across generations. The conversation also touches on the challenges of navigating independence in a digital age, the significance of a growth mindset, and practical strategies like the 'daily wins' exercise to enhance resilience. Dr. Lund shares personal experiences and insights from her work, emphasizing that perfect parenting is a myth and that resilience can be cultivated through intentional practices. * Resilience involves a set of skills and strategies for navigating challenges. * Parents play a crucial role in fostering resilience in their children. * Anxiety is more openly discussed today than in previous generations. * Independence for children should be balanced with safety and guidance. * Social media can impact children's self-regulation and mental health. * Resilience is linked to a growth mindset and the belief in possibilities. * Daily reflection on positive experiences can shift negative self-talk. * Modeling resilience is important for children to learn effective coping strategies. * The concept of perfect parenting is unrealistic and can create pressure. * Building resilience takes time and requires a holistic approach.
Learn more about Dr. Lund - https://www.katelundspeaks.com/
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Rach Davis explore the complexities of facilitation, particularly focusing on the dynamics of introversion, energy management, and the importance of personal style in facilitating workshops. They discuss the need for downtime after high-energy sessions, and the adaptability required in facilitation practices. Rach shares insights on balancing personal and professional energy, the evolution of her facilitation style, and the significance of creating engaging environments for participants. The conversation emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, flexibility, and continuous learning in the facilitation process. * Selective introversion affects energy levels during facilitation. * Facilitators often wear a 'mask' in professional settings. * Downtime is essential for recharging after high-energy sessions. * Balancing personal and professional energy is crucial. * Facilitation does not always need to be high energy. * Understanding participant dynamics enhances facilitation effectiveness. * Personal facilitation style evolves over time. * Flexibility in facilitation techniques is important. * Continuous learning is key to effective facilitation.
Learn more about Rach - https://www.rachdavis.com/
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In this conversation, Phil and Graeme Hill discuss the importance of inclusivity in outdoor activities, particularly for individuals with disabilities and neurodivergent conditions. They explore the barriers that prevent participation, the need for a focus on abilities rather than disabilities, and the role of instructors and administrators in creating accessible environments. Graeme shares insights from his extensive experience in the field, emphasizing the importance of adapting programming and equipment to meet the needs of all participants. The discussion also touches on changing attitudes towards disability, financial considerations, and the future of inclusive outdoor activities. * Inclusivity in outdoor activities is essential for everyone. * Focus on abilities rather than disabilities to empower participants. * Barriers to participation often come from misconceptions and risk aversion. * Instructors need training to support neurodivergent individuals effectively. * Changing attitudes towards disability is crucial for progress. * Financial arguments against inclusivity can be weak if not researched. * The journey to participation is as important as the activity itself. * Technical adaptations can enhance accessibility without expensive equipment. * Promoting positive imagery of diverse participants is vital. * The future of outdoor activities should be fully inclusive for all abilities.
Connect with Graeme - grazzahill@hotmail.com
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This conversation with Dee Scarano delves into the concept of psychological safety, emphasizing the importance of honesty and vulnerability in communication. Dee shares how fear of judgment can hinder open expression and explore practical strategies for creating an environment where individuals feel safe to share their thoughts. They highlight the significance of anonymity, comfort zones, and standardized formats in fostering inclusivity and collaboration. * Honesty in communication fosters psychological safety. * Psychological safety allows individuals to voice their thoughts without fear. * Fear of judgment is a significant barrier to open communication. * Anonymity is crucial for creating a safe space for sharing ideas. * Building comfort zones is essential before encouraging risk-taking. * Standardized formats help ensure equal contributions from all participants. * Facilitators must create structures that promote psychological safety. * Understanding human behavior is key to effective facilitation. * Sharing knowledge within the facilitation community is vital. * Vulnerability can lead to stronger connections and collaboration.
Learn more about Dee - https://www.deescarano.com/
Dee on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/deescarano/
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In this engaging podcast episode, Phil Brown, Sherry Bagley, and Chad Littlefield explore the themes of curiosity, experiential education, and the importance of relationships in facilitation. They discuss how questions can unlock deeper conversations, the significance of observation in understanding group dynamics, and the value of critique for continuous improvement. The conversation also touches on the role of charisma and authenticity in facilitation, the necessity of structure, and the inspiration drawn from community and relationships. The episode concludes with reflections on personal growth and the power of asking questions. * Questions are the key that unlocks the door to deeper understanding. * Building relationships is foundational in experiential education. * Observation is crucial for facilitators to meet group needs. * Critique is essential for continuous improvement in practice. * Staying curious prevents stagnation in long-term facilitation. * Charisma can be developed as a skill over time. * Structure in facilitation can enhance engagement and effectiveness. * Finding inspiration often comes from connecting with new people. * The power of relationships is central to effective education. * Asking questions can lead to unexpected and enriching conversations.
Come hang out with the Phil, Chad and Sherry at the AEE conference - https://www.aee.org/events/2025-aee-international-conference
Learn more about AEE - https://www.aee.org/
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email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Jimmy Burroughes delve into the critical issue of burnout in the workplace, exploring its definitions, symptoms, personal experiences, and the broader implications for organizations. They discuss the alarming statistics surrounding employee engagement and burnout, emphasizing the need for effective strategies to combat these issues. Jimmy shares his personal journey through burnout and the lessons learned, while also providing actionable advice for leaders and organizations to foster a healthier work environment. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding burnout not just as an individual issue, but as a systemic challenge that affects overall organizational health and productivity. * Burnout is defined by the imbalance between expectations and ability. * Key symptoms of burnout include anxiety, isolation, and a lack of care. * Many high achievers are at risk of burnout due to their commitment. * The workplace has become more demanding, leading to increased burnout rates. * Effective communication and role clarity are essential in preventing burnout. * Leaders must model healthy boundaries and the ability to say no. * Creating headspace is crucial for reflection and prioritization. * Simplifying processes can help teams work more effectively. * Reducing burnout can significantly enhance productivity and engagement. * Organizations must recognize the financial implications of burnout.
Learn more about Jimmy - https://www.jimmyburroughes.com/
Connect with Jimmy - jimmy@jblhighperformance.com
Connect with the podcast - podcast@high5adventure.org
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This episode celebrates the 25th anniversary of High 5 Adventure Learning Center, featuring stories and interviews from participants who share their transformative experiences. The conversation highlights the impact of adventure education on personal growth, community building, and the importance of relationships in fostering confidence and leadership skills. Order of interviews;
1 - Ron Vercellone - Dean of Students, Greater Lowell Technical High School
2 - Bob Rojee - Senior Advisor, SPARC (Summer Programs and Auxiliary Revenue Collaborative)
3 - Alycia Nored - Wellness Teacher, Cony Middle and High School
4 - Dave Langston - Camp Dudley/ Camp Kiniya
5 - Nicki Hall - Founding Member of High 5
25th Anniversary Online Auction - https://www.32auctions.com/High52025
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Phil Brown and Rebecca Courtney delve into the concept of emergent facilitation, exploring its principles, preparation strategies, and the importance of building connections with participants. They discuss the challenges of facilitating in corporate environments, the value of addressing fears, and the benefits of working with challenging groups. The conversation emphasizes the need for facilitators to trust their intuition and adapt to the needs of the group, moving away from rigid agendas to a more fluid approach. Rebecca shares insights on how they teach emergent facilitation at AJ&Smart, highlighting the importance of resilience and adaptability in the role of a facilitator. * Emergent facilitation is about adaptability and flow. * Unshakeability is crucial for facilitators. * Experience helps build resilience in facilitation. * Preparation involves both mental and physical readiness. * Connecting with participants is essential before diving into content. * Addressing fears can shift group energy positively. * Challenging groups can lead to greater facilitator growth. * Trusting your intuition is key in facilitation. * Agendas should be flexible to meet group needs. * Teaching emergent facilitation focuses on building confidence and skills.
Learn more about AJ&Smart
https://facilitator.com/
https://www.youtube.com/@AJSmart
Connect with Rebecca on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-courtney-928347241/
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email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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In this conversation, Phil and Lisa explore the complexities of defining what makes a group great in a facilitation context. They discuss the role of the facilitator's ego, the subjective nature of group dynamics, and the importance of evaluating success beyond personal feelings. The dialogue emphasizes the need for facilitators to balance their own experiences with the goals of the group, ultimately leading to a deeper understanding of participant engagement and learning outcomes. * A great group often means the facilitator felt liked. * Facilitators' egos can influence their perception of group success. * Group dynamics are subjective and can vary by facilitator. * Struggle in a group can lead to greater learning experiences. * It's important to evaluate groups based on goals, not just feelings. * Facilitators should embrace their humanity in the process. * The definition of a great group can differ among facilitators. * Patience and support within a group enhance the experience. * Fun and challenge can coexist in group settings. * Questions about group success should be more nuanced.
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Will Dobud discuss the themes of youth mental health, the perceptions of today's youth, and the importance of experiential education. They explore the origins of the book 'Kids These Days', the societal tendency to label and control youth, and the historical context of education and mental health. The discussion emphasizes the need for adults to rethink their approach to youth, focusing on building connections and understanding the environmental influences on development. * Historical figures have often lamented the state of youth, dating back to Socrates. * Overprotection of youth can lead to disconnection and misunderstanding. * Experiential education allows youth to take risks and learn from failures. * The industrialized education system may not serve the needs of today's youth. * Mental health diagnoses may reflect societal failures rather than individual issues. * Youth can be seen as indicators of societal health, akin to canaries in coal mines. * Environmental factors significantly influence youth development and mental health. * Building connections with youth requires understanding their unique experiences. * Sitting and sharing meals with youth fosters connection and understanding.
Find more info about the book - https://www.kidsthesedaysbook.com/
Connect with Will - wdobud@csu.edu.au
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email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this conversation, Phil shares his experiences and observations regarding cultural differences in facilitation and education between the United States and England. He discusses the energetic and often overly positive approach prevalent in American facilitation, contrasting it with the more reserved and dry style he associates with English culture. The conversation also touches on language barriers, particularly the use of cursing, and how these cultural nuances impact communication and facilitation styles. Phil emphasizes the importance of understanding these differences to enhance the effectiveness of facilitation across diverse cultural contexts. * Phil reflects on his blend of American and English styles. * American facilitation often feels overly peppy to Phil. * He finds certain American facilitation stories unnecessary. * Phil associates American culture with toxic positivity. * Cursing is more accepted in England than in the U.S. * Language context is crucial in communication. * Facilitation styles vary significantly across cultures. * Summer camp culture influences American facilitation. * Phil notes that English facilitation is less playful. * Understanding cultural differences is key to effective facilitation.
Connect with Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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In this episode, Phil Brown and Lisa Hunt discuss the upcoming workshop offering, 'Navigating Challenging Dialogue,' exploring its framework, importance, and real-life applications. They delve into the reasons why people avoid difficult conversations, the steps involved in preparing for such dialogues, and the benefits of personal scenarios in workshops. The conversation emphasizes the value of communication skills in various contexts, aiming to equip listeners with tools to navigate challenging dialogues effectively. * Navigating challenging dialogue is a common human experience. * Many avoid difficult conversations due to fear of damaging relationships. * Preparation is key to effective communication in challenging dialogues. * The process involves identifying the story in your head and relevant facts. * Emotions are important but should be managed during difficult conversations. * Real-life scenarios enhance the learning experience in workshops. * Everyone can benefit from improving their communication skills. * The workshop is designed for anyone in a position to give feedback. * Challenging conversations can strengthen relationships rather than harm them. * Having a clear process reduces anxiety in difficult dialogues.
Learn more about the workshop - https://high5adventure.org/navigating-challenging-dialogue-essentials/
Connect with Lisa - lhunt@high5adventure.org
Connect with Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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"ADHD is not an excuse, it's a reason."
In this episode, Phil and Ky Westcott (mental health advocate - @thevibewithky) delve into the complexities of introversion, mental health, and the evolving understanding of ADHD. They discuss the importance of authenticity in sharing personal struggles, the rise in ADHD diagnoses, and the need for better education around mental health in schools. Ky shares his journey from injury to self-discovery through social media, emphasizing the significance of vulnerability and emotional intelligence in today's youth. The conversation highlights the impact of societal changes on mental health awareness and the importance of supporting individuals in their mental health journeys. * Introversion does not limit performative abilities. * The journey of self-discovery can start from personal struggles. * Social media can be a platform for authenticity and connection. * ADHD awareness is increasing due to more open conversations. * Education systems need to adapt to the emotional intelligence of students. * Mental health discussions were lacking in past generations. * ADHD is a spectrum that evolves over time. * Vulnerability in adults can positively influence youth. * Stories of late diagnoses highlight the need for awareness. * Support and understanding are crucial for mental health management.
Find Ky;
Instagram - @thevibewithky
TikTok - @thevibewithky
Listen to his podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/2LmJp4Q0kedi0OhKAoqIzp?si=aa7fba85ba964ebf
Emotions by High 5 - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/emotions-by-high-5
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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In this episode, Phil revisits the influential book 'Silver Bullets' by Karl Rohnke, sharing key insights and play pointers that remain relevant in adventure education today. He emphasizes the importance of engagement, flexibility in rules, variety in activities, inclusivity in team selection, and self-competition, all aimed at enhancing the experiential learning process. * Engagement in activities is crucial for effective learning. * Flexibility in rules can enhance participation and enjoyment. * Variety in activities prevents boredom and keeps participants engaged. * Inclusivity in team selection fosters a sense of belonging. * Self-competition encourages personal growth and motivation. * Minimizing rules can lead to more dynamic and engaging activities. * Bending rules can adapt activities to fit different groups. * Avoiding repetitive activities maintains interest and excitement. * Observation can be a valid form of participation. * Karl Rohnke's principles continue to influence adventure education.
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email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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Phil discusses the top five skills essential for effective belaying. He emphasizes the importance of physicality, communication, adaptability, checklist adherence, and understanding physics in belaying. Each skill is explored in detail, providing insights and practical tips for both novice and experienced belayers. Phil encourages listeners to engage with him on social media to share their own insights and experiences. * Belaying requires a solid understanding of physicality and stance. * Effective communication with climbers builds trust and safety. * Receiving feedback is crucial for improving belaying skills. * Checklists help prevent complacency and ensure safety. * Understanding physics can enhance belaying effectiveness. * Maintaining a proper belay stance protects your body. * Regular check-ins with climbers can improve their experience. * Adaptability in technique is key to being a great belayer. * Visual aids can enhance understanding of belaying techniques. * Engagement with the climbing community fosters learning and growth.
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email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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This conversation delves into the significance of organizational culture, emphasizing its role in staff retention, employee engagement, and overall organizational health. Phil and Jim discuss the intentional strategies employed at High 5 to foster a positive culture, the importance of personal connections, and how challenges can test and strengthen that culture. They highlight the need for organizations to prioritize relationships and create environments conducive to growth, ultimately leading to a more engaged and committed workforce. * Culture is integral to what we do. * Creating conditions suitable for growth is essential. * Modeling good culture is more impactful than direct advice. * Building connections and relationships is key to retention. * Simple gestures can significantly enhance workplace culture. * People leave jobs due to feelings, not just salary. * Intentional strategies are necessary for fostering culture. * Personal connections enhance team dynamics and morale. * Culture is tested during challenging times, revealing its strength. * A strong culture can coexist with financial success.
Connect with Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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In this episode of Vertical Playpen, Phil and Alan Krieger discuss the significance of understanding different communication styles. Alan shares insights from his extensive experience in team development, emphasizing that effective communication is not just about conveying a message but also about recognizing and adapting to the communication preferences of others. They explore the TEAM communication model, which categorizes individuals based on their task orientation and decision-making styles, highlighting the importance of tailoring communication to foster better collaboration and understanding in teams. * Communication is a skill that needs to be practiced. * People have different communication preferences that affect interactions. * Our intentions as communicators can be misinterpreted by others. * Respectful behavior varies between individuals and contexts. * Understanding communication styles can improve team dynamics. * Quick decision-making can be more efficient in many situations. * The TEAM model categorizes communication styles into four types. * Task-oriented individuals prefer direct and efficient communication. * Some people prioritize relationship-building over task completion. * Tailoring communication to the audience is crucial for effectiveness.
Learn more about TEAM - https://teamcommunicationstyles.com/
Connect with Alan - alan@teamcommunicationstyles.com
Check out Alan's podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/08bMp67WPTaTfztxnePoK1?si=d3f6f9a4a301433c
Connect with Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram -https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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In this conversation, Phil and Tom Swales (Physiotherapist and strength coach) explore the intricacies of body movement, protection, and rehabilitation through the lens of the AMT (Advanced Movement Therapy) system. They discuss how adventure educators can better protect their bodies from the effects of repetitive strain due to movement such as belaying. Tom shares his personal journey of recovery from a severe illness, emphasizing the importance of foundational movement patterns and the body's ability to adapt and heal. The conversation highlights the necessity of teaching movement through experience and the value of lifelong learning in maintaining physical health. * The AMT system was developed to address personal challenges in physical therapy. * Understanding the psychology and biology of movement is crucial for effective therapy. * Assessment should focus on identifying the root causes of movement issues. * Proactive approaches in therapy lead to better long-term outcomes. * Teaching movement through experience enhances understanding and retention. * Personal experiences can reinforce the principles of movement and recovery. * Individualized care is essential for effective rehabilitation. * The body has an innate ability to reorganize and heal itself with the right guidance. * Complicated explanations can hinder understanding; simplicity is key. * Lifelong learning and adaptation are vital for maintaining physical health.
Learn more about Tom and AMT Systems - https://www.amtcertified.ca/
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email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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In this episode, Phil and Salvatore Manzi delve into the art of communication, particularly in educational settings. They discuss the significance of building trust through authentic communication, the importance of engaging introductions, and the impact of presence on audience perception. Salvatore shares insights on overcoming imposter syndrome and the balance between planning and spontaneity in communication. The conversation also highlights the role of storytelling in effective communication and concludes with Salvatore's upcoming book, 'Clear and Compelling,' aimed at empowering individuals to express their authentic voices. * Glossophobia is a prevalent fear that affects many people. * Effective communication is essential for creating impact and influence. * Building trust with participants is crucial for facilitators. * Vulnerability in communication fosters deeper connections. * Engaging introductions can capture audience attention. * Presence and body language significantly affect audience perception. * Charisma can be developed and is not solely innate. * Imposter syndrome can hinder effective communication. * Practice and feedback are vital for improving communication skills. * Storytelling is a powerful tool for engaging audiences.
Learn more about Salvatore - https://www.salvatoremanzi.com/
Info about the book - https://www.salvatoremanzi.com/ccpb/
Connect with Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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In this episode, Phil interviews Thomas Lahnthaler about his book 'Facilitating Reflections'. They discuss the inspiration behind the book, the role of facilitators, essential skills needed, and the concept of self-harming humility in facilitation. Thomas emphasizes the importance of recognizing one's contributions and the need for facilitators to be aware of their impact on group dynamics. The conversation also touches on the evolution of facilitation practices and the balance between experience and new facilitators. * Critique is essential for growth and care. * Facilitators should not be the sole source of answers. * Facilitation is about navigating human dynamics. * Self-harming humility can hinder facilitators' growth. * Facilitators need to acknowledge their contributions. * Awareness is crucial for effective facilitation. * Facilitators should embrace their unique styles. * Reflection is key to improving facilitation skills. * Facilitators must adapt to each unique group. * The book encourages introspection and personal growth.
Learn more about Thomas - https://www.lahnthaler.com/
Connect with Thomas - thomas@lahnthaler.com
Purchase the book - https://a.co/d/4E9fjKc
Thomas' LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaslahnthaler/
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In this episode, Phil Brown discusses the importance of empowering participants in climbing activities by allowing them to make choices about their experience, particularly the choice to come down when they feel uncomfortable. He challenges traditional mindsets that prioritize reaching the top as the ultimate goal and emphasizes the need for facilitators to listen to participants' needs and create a supportive environment. Phil advocates for a shift in perspective that prioritizes emotional safety and encourages facilitators to critically evaluate their programming and language to enhance the overall experience for all participants. * If a participant wants to come down, always say yes. * Celebrating those who advocate for themselves is crucial. * Reaching the top shouldn't be the only measure of success. * Facilitators must balance challenge and panic for participants. * It's important to honor participants' choices for emotional safety. * Encouragement should be framed with respect for individual needs. * Program design should allow for adequate time and support. * Language used in facilitation can impact participants' experiences. * Facilitators should continuously critique and improve their programming. * Empowering participants leads to better outcomes in climbing experiences.
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Devin Farkas discuss the evolving landscape of outdoor education, focusing on accessibility, the importance of experiential learning, and the development of leadership skills in outdoor settings. They explore the core impacts of outdoor education, including confidence building and connection with nature, while also addressing the need to shift perspectives on risk and challenge. The discussion culminates in a vision for the future of outdoor education that emphasizes reducing barriers and enhancing learning experiences through outdoor spaces. * Outdoor education should be accessible to all, not just the adventurous few. * Experiential learning is key to achieving educational outcomes. * Confidence, connection, and skill development are core impacts of outdoor education. * The focus should be on creating meaningful experiences, not just flashy adventures. * Leadership development is best achieved in low-risk environments. * Facilitators should allow discomfort to foster learning opportunities. * The situational leadership model can enhance group dynamics. * Outdoor education can be integrated into everyday learning environments. * The future of outdoor education lies in reducing barriers and enhancing accessibility.
Learn more about Devin - workwithdevin.com
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this conversation, Phil Brown discusses the nuances of training in challenge courses, emphasizing the importance of shared experiences and safety protocols. He recounts a near miss incident involving a participant and a helmet, highlighting the lessons learned and the need for vigilance among facilitators. The discussion encourages a culture of continuous learning. * Facilitators should encourage discussions about impactful moments. * Safety protocols must be adapted based on real experiences. * Helmets can be both beneficial and problematic in certain scenarios. * Vigilance is crucial when managing participants on challenge courses. * Facilitators should practice lowering techniques before climbing. * Sharing stories helps build a learning community. * Anecdotal experiences can provide valuable lessons not found in manuals. * Continuous learning is essential in the outdoor education industry. * Engagement with the community can lead to shared insights and improvements.
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Ken Weisner explore the significance of play in learning and personal development. Ken shares his journey into the world of play, highlighting key moments that shaped his understanding of its importance. They discuss the barriers adults face in engaging with play, the marketing challenges within the industry, and the profound impact play can have on team dynamics and personal growth. Ken emphasizes the essential qualities of a facilitator in creating a playful environment, underscoring the need for energy and passion in facilitating play. In this conversation, Ken Weisner shares insights on the importance of play in education and personal development. He emphasizes the need for a playful mindset, engaging activities, and the power of empathy in connecting with participants. Ken discusses his favorite activities that foster connection and learning, and he reflects on his journey towards writing a book about the significance of play. * Play is essential for learning and personal growth. * Experiences in Montessori education can reshape perspectives on learning. * Adults often fear looking silly, which hinders their ability to play. * Creating a safe environment is crucial for adult play. * Marketing play effectively can change perceptions of its value. * Fun experiences can lead to significant personal insights. * Team bonding through play can enhance relationships and performance. * Facilitators must exude energy and passion to engage participants. * Reflection can occur without verbal reporting; internalization is key. * Play can break down barriers and foster connections among diverse groups. You have to have a child's mind.
Learn more about Ken - https://www.beachplaycompany.com/
Ask me a question - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this conversation, Romy Alexandra discusses the concept of experiential learning, sharing her personal journey and insights into how experiential education can transform traditional learning methods. She emphasizes the importance of engaging learners through experience, reflection, and action, and explores the experiential learning cycle and various learning styles. The discussion also highlights the significance of reflection in the learning process and how it can be made more engaging. Romy shares practical strategies for facilitators to enhance their teaching methods and the need to bridge theory and practice in education. * Experiential learning is about learning through experience, reflection, thinking, and acting. * Reflection is essential for deep learning and should be varied to keep it engaging. * Learning styles are preferences that can change over time and should not box learners in. * The experiential learning cycle can be applied to all aspects of life, not just formal education. * Peer learning is often more impactful than facilitator-led instruction. * Creating a safe space for reflection can lead to powerful insights and learning outcomes. * Facilitators should strive to engage all learning styles in their teaching methods. * The journey of learning is continuous and can spiral into deeper understanding and action.
Connect with Romy - romy@romy-alexandra.com
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In this conversation, Phil and Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg discuss the concept of Lighthouse Parenting, a metaphor that emphasizes the importance of being a stable and guiding presence in a child's life. Dr. Ginsburg explains how this approach balances love and protection while allowing children to take healthy risks. They explore the role of adults in modeling behavior, the impact of stress and anxiety on children, and the challenges posed by technology and social media. The discussion highlights the need for emotional vulnerability in adults and the importance of fostering interdependence in future generations. * Lighthouse Parenting is about balancing love and protection. * Role modeling is crucial for children to take healthy risks. * Children need stable relationships to thrive emotionally. * Stress is a significant factor in unhealthy risk-taking. * Preparation is a form of protection for children. * Overprotection can lead to anxiety in children. * Social media has both positive and negative impacts on youth. * Emotional vulnerability in adults fosters connection with children. * Teaching basic human connection is essential before introducing technology. * Interdependence is key to raising secure and confident children.
Learn more about Dr. Ginsburg - https://www.fosteringresilience.com/
Purchase the book - https://www.fosteringresilience.com/book/lighthouse-parenting
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In this episode, the conversation focuses on the importance of communication in education, featuring insights from Anne Louise Wagner, Ryan McCormick and Mike Anderson. They discuss the barriers to effective communication, the significance of modeling appropriate communication for students, and the creation of a safe learning environment. The speakers emphasize the role of humor and personal connections in enhancing communication, as well as the need for continuous improvement in communication skills. They also explore the challenges of adapting communication styles in different contexts and the powerful influence adults have on shaping student communication behaviors.
- Teachers often unintentionally send mixed messages to students.
- Modeling appropriate communication is crucial for student learning.
- Creating a safe environment encourages students to take risks.
- Humor and playfulness can enhance communication in the classroom.
- Personal connections foster a positive learning atmosphere.
- Awareness of tone and body language impacts communication effectiveness.
- Adults should model the behavior they want to see in students.
- Communication skills can always be improved and refined.
- Mistakes in communication provide opportunities for growth.
Learn more about Mike: https://leadinggreatlearning.com/
Connect with Anne Louise - alwagner@high5adventure.org
Connect with Ryan - rmccormick@high5adventure.org
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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"Learning to do, doing to learn" Phil, alongside guest host Jamie Thibodeau, is joined by Dr. Travis Park to explore the National FFA Organization's mission and its connection to experiential education. Travis discusses the importance of agricultural education in developing leadership, personal growth, and career success among students. The discussion highlights the role of experiential learning in FFA programs, the leadership development opportunities available to students, and the empowerment of youth through peer leadership. The conversation concludes with insights on collaboration between FFA and experiential education organizations. * FFA is an agricultural leadership organization for students. * The mission of FFA is to develop leadership and career success. * Experiential education is integral to FFA's teaching methods. * Students engage in supervised agricultural experiences (SAEs). * Peer leadership is a key component of FFA's structure. * FFA chapters empower students to lead their peers. * Leadership development occurs through conferences and workshops. * FFA provides opportunities for networking and mentorship. * Agriculture teachers play a crucial role in student development. * Collaboration between FFA and experiential education can enhance learning.
Learn more about the FFA - https://www.ffa.org/
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this conversation, Phil Brown interviews Amy Climer about her new book, 'Deliberate Creative Teams.' They discuss the importance of creativity in teams, the misconceptions surrounding creativity, and the role of education in stifling creative potential. Amy shares insights on how to facilitate creativity within teams, the concept of creative abrasion, and the creative spectrum that teams can navigate to enhance their innovative capabilities. The discussion emphasizes the need for structure in creative processes and the potential for individuals and teams to elevate their creative output. * Amy's book is based on her PhD research on creativity in teams. * Creativity is often misunderstood; it's about problem-solving, not just artistic ability. * Education systems can diminish creativity by promoting standardized answers. * Creativity can be learned and developed over time. * Facilitators play a crucial role in creating environments for creativity. * Creative abrasion allows for healthy conflict and idea generation. * Group think can stifle innovation and should be avoided. * Teams can be categorized on a spectrum from destructive to scalable in terms of creativity. * Setting clear expectations and structures can enhance creative processes. * The ultimate goal is to help teams and individuals reach their full creative potential.
Get Amy's Book - https://a.co/d/3FzEwtq
Learn more about the book - https://climerconsulting.com/book/
Connect with Amy - amy@climerconsulting.com
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
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Phil Brown, Angie Veach, and Ted France discuss the newly launched Masters of Education in Adventure Education program at Springfield College. They explore the intent behind creating the program, the importance of legitimacy in the field, and the need for a curriculum that respects and incorporates experiential learning. The discussion also touches on the significance of breaking down silos in education, the role of language in making education accessible, and the essential facilitation skills that students will develop. Finally, they share their hopes for the future of adventure education and the specifics of the program's application process. * The program aims to fill a void in adventure education. * Legitimacy in adventure education is crucial for professional growth. * Experiential learning is at the core of the curriculum. * Breaking down silos can enhance collaboration across disciplines. * Facilitation skills are essential for effective teaching and learning. * The program is designed to be flexible for working professionals. * Students will learn to create psychologically safe environments. * The future of adventure education lies in developing thinking practitioners. * Language used in education should be accessible and relatable. * The program encourages individual connections and personalized learning paths.
Learn more about the MEd - https://springfield.edu/graduate-programs/adventure-education
Connect with Angie Veatch - aveatch@springfieldcollege.edu
Connect with Ted France - tfrance@springfield.edu
Connect with Kristi Jacobi - kristijacobi@stmarksschool.org
Connect with Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
Support the podcast - https://high5adventure.org/podcast-page/
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Phil and Cathryn Berger Kaye explore the transformative power of service learning in education. Cathy defines service learning as a pedagogical approach that connects students' learning to real-world community needs, emphasizing the importance of purpose and engagement in the learning process. They discuss the barriers educators face in implementing service learning, the significance of connection and adventure in education, and share inspiring stories of positive outcomes from service learning initiatives. Cathy provides practical advice for educators looking to incorporate service learning into their curriculum, highlighting the need for a shift in focus from standardized testing to meaningful, experiential learning.
- Service learning is a process that connects education to real-world needs.
- It elevates student engagement by providing a sense of purpose.
- Teachers find renewed passion through service learning.
- Service learning fosters social-emotional learning in students.
- Adventure in learning encourages risk-taking and self-discovery.
- Real-life stories illustrate the impact of service learning.
- Barriers to service learning include lack of understanding and standardized testing.
- Educators can start with practical resources and community connections.
- Service learning is not just community service; it's an educational pedagogy.
- Wisdom in education involves using knowledge for the common good.
Connect with Cathy - cathy@cbkassociates.com
Learn more about service learning - https://cbkassociates.com/
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email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - @verticalplaypen
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In this engaging conversation, Phil and Eugene Banks explore the profound impact of education, the journey of becoming an educator, and the art of teaching. They discuss the importance of connection, positive reinforcement, and authentic engagement in the classroom, emphasizing that teaching is not just about content but about the context and relationships built with students. Eugene shares his personal journey into education, highlighting the challenges and triumphs he faced along the way, and the strategies he employs to foster a dynamic learning environment. They also explore the importance of embracing mistakes in education, setting clear expectations, and fostering a growth mindset among students. Eugene shares his teaching strategies, including the 'We Do' approach, which emphasizes collaborative learning. They discuss the need to challenge traditional educational practices and the significance of inspiring young minds through literature. Eugene also highlights the urgency of pursuing dreams and the impact of his books aimed at empowering young black children. * Positive reinforcement can significantly impact student engagement. * Finding your teacher voice takes time and experience. * Education requires a long-term commitment to improvement. * Teaching is an art form that evolves with practice. * Authenticity in teaching resonates with students. * Student voice should dominate over teacher voice in the classroom. * Engagement strategies are crucial for maintaining student focus. * Mistakes in teaching are opportunities for growth. * Building relationships with students enhances the learning experience. Mistakes are part of the learning journey. * Setting clear expectations minimizes room for error. * The 'We Do' strategy encourages collaborative problem-solving. * Facilitators guide students rather than dictate learning. * Growth mindset is essential for overcoming challenges. * Education should prepare students for real-life situations. * Rewards should be earned, not given for mere participation. * Challenging traditional practices can enhance learning. * Books can inspire and empower young minds. * Acting with urgency can lead to fulfilling dreams.
Eugene on Instagram;
https://www.instagram.com/youngblackscholarbook/
Learn more about Eugene and his books;
https://www.eugenebanks.com/
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Phil and Josh Fisher discuss attribution theory, a concept in social psychology that explains how individuals interpret the causes of events and behaviors. They explore its relevance in adventure education, emphasizing the importance of understanding internal and external attributions, common missteps participants make, and strategies for educators to engage learners effectively. The conversation highlights the role of language in framing success and failure, the need for appropriate challenges for different skill levels, and the impact of past experiences on current perceptions. Ultimately, they stress the importance of fostering a culture where failure is seen as a learning opportunity. * Attribution theory helps explain how we interpret success and failure. * Common missteps include attributing success to luck and failure to external factors. * Reframing language can enhance participant engagement and learning. * Creating appropriate challenges is essential for skill development. * Pre-attribution can influence how individuals approach new experiences. * Educators play a crucial role in shaping attributions in their students. * Failure is a necessary part of the learning process. * Encouraging reflection can help participants understand their experiences better. * It's important to focus on controllable factors in success and failure. * Building a positive learning environment can mitigate learned helplessness.
Contact Josh - jfisher@high5adventure.org
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Phil (AEE Board President-Elect) and Sherry Bagley (AEE Executive Director) discuss their experiences at the AEE Conference in Hong Kong, focusing on the significance of the Asia Pacific region, lessons learned, the role of academia in experiential education, and the importance of engaging the next generation of educators. They share unique cultural experiences and reflections on risk management and child safeguarding, emphasizing the value of building connections and community within the field. * The Asia Pacific region is vast and diverse, requiring tailored approaches to experiential education. * Experiential education is more about the 'why' than the 'what' or 'where'. * International inclusion means sharing knowledge from all regions, not just the US. * Academic legitimacy is crucial for the growth of experiential education in Asia. * Workshops on risk management highlighted the need for practical application of policies. * Engaging students and new educators is essential for the future of the field. * Cultural experiences can enhance personal growth and understanding. * Building relationships is key to fostering a strong community in experiential education. * Unique experiences, like calligraphy classes, can deepen cultural appreciation. * Future conferences should prioritize first-time presenters to encourage new voices.
Connect with Sherry Bagley - sherry@aee.org
Connect with Phil - pbrown@high5adventure.org
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
"Education wasn't for certain people."
In this conversation, Phil and Professor Colin Beard delve into the history and evolution of experiential learning, exploring its prehistory and the cognitive capacities that have shaped human learning. They discuss the limitations of traditional educational models and the importance of recognizing the contributions of lesser-known figures in education, such as Maria Montessori and Marina Ewald. The conversation culminates in the introduction of the Holistic Experiential Learning Model (HELM), emphasizing the need for a more complex understanding of learning that incorporates various human capacities. * Humans have been learning throughout their entire existence. * The evolution of learning capacities spans millions of years. * Traditional educational models often overlook essential cognitive functions. * Maria Montessori's contributions to education are significant yet underrecognized. * The complexity of learning requires a holistic approach. * Experiential learning should utilize all human capacities. * Simplicity in educational models can lead to limitations. * The importance of questioning in the learning process is paramount. * Silenced voices in education highlight systemic biases. * The Holistic Experiential Learning Model (HELM) offers a new perspective on learning.
Connect with Professor Beard - colbeard2@outlook.com
Connect with Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Phil shares five key phrases that enhance his training and communication. He emphasizes the importance of preparation on the ground, reframing questions to encourage engagement, and fostering creativity through vague responses. He also discusses the value of embracing mistakes as learning opportunities and the significance of connecting through shared experiences and purpose. * If you can do it on the ground, do it on the ground. * Reframing questions can lead to better engagement. * Encouraging creativity requires intentional vagueness. * Normalizing mistakes is essential for learning. * Connection is more about the why than the what or where. * Preparation is key to effective problem-solving. * Asking 'What are your questions?' invites participation. * Mistakes are part of the learning process. * Shared experiences create stronger connections. * It's important to allow space for questions in training.
Connect with Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Phil is joined by Loui McCurley to discuss the essential components of effective rescue plans, emphasizing the importance of understanding the subject in distress, the need for timely response, and the implications of suspension trauma. Loui highlights the significance of training and preparedness in rescue scenarios, as well as the potential for growth in the ropes course industry and its impact on personal development and safety practices. * Rescue plans should focus on the subject in distress. * Timely response is crucial in rescue situations. * Suspension trauma can have serious medical implications. * Training should include both verbal and physical reach techniques. * Extrication methods should prioritize safety and efficiency. * Calling emergency services early can save lives. * Understanding the risks of suspension is vital for safety. * The ropes course industry has significant growth potential. * Rope access techniques improve safety and efficiency in inspections. * Adventure education fosters personal growth and teamwork.
Contact Loui - lmccurley@pmirope.com
Contact Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - https://www.epidemicsound.com/
Phil is joined by Loui McCurley to discuss the intricacies of rope access and fall protection, emphasizing the importance of understanding various safety standards and the role they play in ensuring safety at heights. He highlights the differences between fall protection methods, the significance of training and competency, and the value of cross-industry knowledge sharing in enhancing safety practices. * Rope access is a specific type of fall protection. * Fall protection encompasses various methods to prevent falls. * Understanding safety standards is crucial for compliance. * Standards development involves diverse perspectives. * Experience is essential for understanding safety systems. * Competency involves recognizing hazards and taking action. * Qualified individuals have relevant experience and education. * Cross-industry collaboration enhances safety knowledge. * Training should focus on practical understanding and experience. * Knowledge sharing events foster innovation and safety improvements.
Contact Loui - lmccurley@pmirope.com
Contact Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - https://www.epidemicsound.com/
Phil and Jerry Kolber (producer of the tv show Brain Games, and the podcast Who Smarted?) explore the intersection of play and education, sharing personal anecdotes and insights on how to make learning more engaging and relatable. They discuss the importance of memorable moments in life, the role of play in education, and the inspiration behind the show 'Brain Games.' Jerry emphasizes the need for humor and relatability in teaching, while also highlighting the impact of educational content on young audiences. The conversation concludes with reflections on sustaining passion in education and crafting engaging learning experiences. * Play is essential for effective learning and engagement. * Memorable moments shape our experiences and learning paths. * Education should be fun and relatable to spark curiosity. * Humor can significantly enhance the learning experience. * Experiential learning allows for creativity and critical thinking. * Creating opportunities for play in education can lead to better outcomes. * The education system needs to evolve to meet modern needs. * Engaging content can inspire students to pursue their passions. * Sustaining passion in education is crucial for both educators and students.
Connect with Jerry - jerry.kolber@atomicentertainment.com
Listen to Who Smarted? - https://whosmarted.com/
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
Podcast instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - https://www.epidemicsound.com/
In this episode, guest host Anne Louise Wagner and Honor Woodrow (Winston Prouty Center) discuss the Reggio Emilia approach to early childhood education, emphasizing the importance of viewing children as capable and competent learners. They explore how the environment plays a crucial role in facilitating learning and how educators can create engaging spaces that promote exploration and play. The conversation also touches on the challenges educators face in adopting child-led learning approaches within structured educational systems, highlighting the need for balance between freedom and structure in teaching. This conversation explores the themes of trust, risk, empowerment, and conflict resolution in education. The speakers discuss the importance of allowing children to take risks in their learning, the biases educators may hold, and the concept of 'lighthouse parenting' as a guiding philosophy. They emphasize the value of conflict as a learning tool and the emotional aspects of education, advocating for a supportive environment where all emotions are valid and children have the right to learn and express themselves. * The Reggio Emilia approach emphasizes children's capabilities from birth. * Learning is co-constructed through play and exploration. * The environment should be intentionally designed to foster learning. * Facilitators must be responsive to children's interests and needs. * Child-led learning does not mean a lack of structure. * Cultural context influences educational practices and philosophies. * Educators face challenges in letting go of control in the classroom. * Documentation of learning processes is essential for reflection. * Building relationships is key to effective learning environments. * The goal is to support children in becoming healthy members of society. Trust is essential in educational settings. * Risk-taking is a crucial part of learning. * Educators must be prepared for potential risks. * Children need to experience challenges to learn effectively. * Biases can be positive and aligned with values. * Empowerment and autonomy are key in education. * Lighthouse parenting offers a balanced approach. * Conflict can be a valuable learning opportunity. * Emotional experiences are integral to learning. * All children have the right to learn and express emotions.
Connect with Honor - honor@winstonprouty.org
Connect with Anne Louise - alwagner@high5adventure.org
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this engaging conversation, Phil and Toby Segar explore the themes of connection, passion, and the importance of experiential education. They discuss how sharing personal interests can foster deeper connections, the role of failure in learning, and the significance of vulnerability in adventure. The conversation also delves into the perception of risk and how childhood experiences shape our understanding of it, ultimately emphasizing the value of embracing challenges and learning from mistakes. They alson discuss the importance of allowing children to experience risk to foster confidence and resilience, the psychological implications of safety measures in climbing, and the evolution of public perception towards parkour. The dialogue emphasizes the balance between managing risk and encouraging growth through experiential learning. * Failure is an integral part of the learning process. * Vulnerability can enhance connections in adventure sports. * Experiential education allows for creative learning opportunities. * Risk perception is often influenced by societal norms. * Childhood experiences shape our understanding of risk. * It's important to create environments where people can explore without fear. * The relationship with one's ego evolves over time. * Sharing vulnerabilities can make experiences more relatable. * Engaging with risk can lead to personal growth and confidence. Allowing children to experience risk fosters confidence. * Risk homeostasis can lead to increased danger despite safety measures. * The perception of safety can create a false sense of security. * Experiential learning is crucial for personal development. * Public perception of parkour has evolved positively over time. * Understanding risk is essential in adventure sports. * Failing often and learning from it is key to growth. * Community engagement can shift perceptions of extreme sports. * Teaching risk management is more beneficial than eliminating risk. * The journey of skill development takes time and experience.
Check out Storror's Youtube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/@STORROR
Toby Segar on Instagram - @tobysegar
Connect with Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
Music and Sound effects - https://www.epidemicsound.com/
- The conversation in this episode is focused on gender. We both acknowledge that gender identity exists on a spectrum but will be discussing gender specifically as the socialized binary of male and female. This conversation explores the challenges and dynamics of gender roles and expectations in outdoor education. Dr. Steve Sassaman shares personal experiences and insights on how societal norms influence behavior in outdoor settings, the importance of role modeling, and the need for inclusivity in outdoor programs. The discussion highlights the shifting dynamics in participation and leadership roles, particularly among women, and emphasizes the importance of addressing privilege and identity in creating a more equitable outdoor experience. In this conversation, Phil and Steve explore the complexities of masculinity in outdoor education, the importance of redefining challenges to increase accessibility, and the need for intentional programming that prioritizes mental health and community building. They emphasize the value of critique and continuous learning in teaching, advocating for a humble approach that fosters trust and genuine connections with students. * Challenging gender roles is crucial in outdoor education.
- Personal experiences shape our understanding of gender dynamics.
- Intentionality in shaping outdoor experiences can challenge norms.
- Masculinity can be expressed positively without dominance.
- Role modeling is essential for fostering inclusivity.
- Privilege can be used to empower marginalized voices.
- Inclusivity in outdoor spaces benefits everyone.
- Gender diversity is increasing in outdoor programs.
- We must address safety concerns for all participants.
- Creating true inclusion requires ongoing dialogue and reflection. Ego and socialized norms around masculinity are pervasive in outdoor education.
- Redefining challenges can increase accessibility for all participants.
- Intentional programming should prioritize mental health and community building.
- Saying 'no' can be just as impactful as pushing through challenges.
- Critique is essential for growth and improvement in outdoor education.
- Building trust requires humility and a willingness to learn from students.
- The history of outdoor education often overlooks contributions from women and people of color.
- Creating space for critical thought enhances the learning experience.
- Outdoor educators should focus on human skills alongside technical skills.
- Continuous learning is vital for educators to remain effective and relatable.
Connect with Steve - steven.sassaman@asu.edu
Connect with Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
Music and Sound effects - https://www.epidemicsound.com/
In this conversation, Phil and Mark Collard (Playmeo) delve into the critical elements of effective icebreakers and team-building activities. They explore why many icebreakers fail, emphasizing the importance of fun, interaction, and creating a non-threatening environment. Mark shares his insights on the five key elements that contribute to successful icebreakers, encouraging facilitators to focus on nourishing participants' souls and ensuring activities are engaging and comfortable. The discussion highlights the need for facilitators to be mindful of participants' experiences and to create opportunities for genuine connection. In this conversation, Mark and Phil explore the essential elements of effective icebreakers and group activities. They discuss the importance of choosing what to share, connecting through technology, and the need for simplicity in instructions. The duo emphasizes creating a success-oriented environment that fosters interaction and vulnerability while aligning activities with the group's goals. They also introduce a litmus test for evaluating icebreakers and conclude with a recap of the key principles for successful group engagement. * Icebreakers often fail due to poor execution. * Fun is essential for effective icebreakers. * Activities should be highly interactive to engage participants. * Non-threatening environments foster better connections. * Facilitators should avoid introducing activities by name. * Comfort zones are crucial for participant engagement. * Public speaking is a common fear that should be considered. * Renaming icebreakers doesn't solve the underlying issues. * Activities should nourish participants' souls. * Building relationships is the ultimate goal of icebreakers. You can choose what to share based on comfort. * Technology can enhance personal connections. * Simplicity in instructions is crucial for engagement. * Activities should be success-oriented, focusing on interaction. * The litmus test helps evaluate the effectiveness of icebreakers. * Align activities with the group's goals for better outcomes. * Activities can be adapted to fit different contexts. * Understanding the 'why' behind activities is essential. * All five principles of engagement are interrelated. * Success metrics should focus on energy and vulnerability.
Check out playmeo - https://www.playmeo.com/
Connect with Mark - ceo@playmeo.com
Connect with Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
Music and sound effects - https://www.epidemicsound.com/
In this episode, Phil reflects on his recent conference presentation experience, sharing five key strategies to ease anxiety and enhance effectiveness when presenting at workshops. He emphasizes the importance of engaging with attendees, choosing scalable activities, focusing on participants, planning effectively, and managing time during presentations. Phil encourages listeners to reach out for feedback and support as they prepare for their own presentations. * I experience a lot of anxiety when presenting. * Engaging with attendees helps reduce anxiety. * Choose activities that can scale with group size. * Focus on those who choose to participate. * Less is more, but plan for more activities. * Start presentations on time, even if attendees are late. * End presentations five minutes early to allow for transitions. * Workshops should prioritize sharing information. * Feedback and support are crucial for improvement. * Continuous practice leads to improvement in presenting.
Reach out to Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this episode, Phil and Lisa engage in a fun guessing game where they explore memorable moments and guilty pleasures shared by the High 5 staff. This is an episode produced for our staff to listen to and play along while traveling to our annual retreat. Feel free to play along by downloading the scoresheet below.
SCORESHEET - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GSRDGzpJroSCmHcIDxZwVkGfRnNWKcEAapQYZQFbmqI/edit?usp=sharing
Connect with Phil
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - @verticalplaypen
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this conversation, Phil and Professor Colin Beard delve into the evolving landscape of experiential learning, discussing its significance, challenges, and the role of educators. They explore the importance of understanding the learning experience, the impact of space and senses, and the necessity of bridging academic knowledge with practical application. The dialogue emphasizes the need for continuous improvement in teaching methods and encourages new educators to embrace their passion for learning and teaching. * Experiential learning is gaining traction in educational settings. * The history of experiential learning reveals its complex evolution. * Understanding the learning experience is crucial for effective education. * Senses play a vital role in how we learn and experience the world. * Imagination is key to engaging students in learning. * There is a need to bridge the gap between academia and practical experience. * Educators must embrace their role as facilitators of learning. * Continuous improvement is essential for effective teaching. * Asking questions is fundamental to the learning process. * New educators should pursue their passion and seek out experiences.
Connect with Colin - colbeard2@outlook.com
Connect with Phil -
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this conversation, Phil and Mark Collard discuss the essential props that facilitators should carry to enhance their sessions. They explore the versatility and functionality of these tools, emphasizing the importance of emotional literacy and connection in group settings. The discussion highlights specific props, their uses, and the impact they have on facilitating meaningful interactions among participants. * Props are essential for effective facilitation. * Versatility of props allows for multiple uses in activities. * Emotional tools help in building connections. * Ubuntu cards are a top choice for facilitators. * Weekendit cards offer a simple yet effective resource. * Rope can be used in various activities and settings. * Decks of cards can facilitate interaction and vulnerability. * Emotional literacy is crucial for both young people and adults. * Using props can transform the perception of activities. * Facilitators can create hundreds of activities with a few tools.
Mark's Top 5;
Ubuntu Cards (AUS) - https://www.playmeo.com/shop/ubuntu-cards/
We Connect Cards - https://weand.me/product/we-connect-cards/ or https://www.playmeo.com/shop/weconnect-cards/
Rope/Webbing - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/rope-cord
Playing Cards
Emoji Cards - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/emoji-cards or https://www.playmeo.com/shop/emoji-cards/
Phil's Top 5;
Ubuntu Cards (US) - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/facilitation-tools/products/ubuntu-cards
Spot Markers - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/props-throwables/products/spot-markers
Rope/Webbing - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/rope-cord
Emotions Cards - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/facilitation-tools/products/emotions-by-high-5
Fleece Balls/Tossable items - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/props-throwables/products/fleece-balls-pack-of-6
Additional Resources -
Playmeo - https://www.playmeo.com/
Raccoon Circles - https://www.teamworkandteamplay.com/resources/new_rc_document_2011_final.pdf
Connect with Mark - ceo@playmeo.com
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this conversation, Phil and Jo Lee explore the concept of creative confidence, its roots in drama education, and the importance of arts in fostering self-worth and community. Jo shares her journey from being a drama teacher to advocating for the arts, discussing the transformative power of drama in education and the challenges faced in integrating arts into school curriculums. They delve into the significance of experiential learning, the fight for recognition of the arts, and the personal struggles with confidence and imposter syndrome. The discussion emphasizes the need for community support and the journey of self-discovery in building confidence and articulating one's skills. * Creative confidence is essential for personal and professional growth. * Drama serves as a powerful tool for building confidence. * The arts are often undervalued in education despite their benefits. * Experiential learning enhances engagement and skill acquisition. * Transformative moments in drama can lead to significant personal development. * The fight for drama in schools continues amidst standardized testing pressures. * Confidence is not synonymous with extroversion; quiet confidence is equally valid. * Community support plays a crucial role in enhancing self-worth. * Building in success can help individuals recognize their strengths. * Self-reflection is key to overcoming imposter syndrome and finding one's voice.
Learn more about Jo - https://www.joleecreativity.com/
Connect with Jo - jo@joleecreativity.com
Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org
Find us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this episode, Phil shares his thoughts on various topics related to training and experiential learning. He recounts an incident involving an Apple Watch that mistakenly called 911 during a climbing session, emphasizing the importance of understanding technology's impact on safety. Phil also discusses the need for clarity in training procedures, urging trainers to differentiate between standard operating procedures and personal preferences. He highlights the significance of embracing failure as a learning tool, sharing activities designed to reinforce this concept. Overall, Phil encourages open communication and feedback in the training community. * Phil shares personal experiences and insights from his training sessions. * The Apple Watch incident highlights the need for safety awareness. * Trainers should clarify standard operating procedures versus personal preferences. * Normalizing failure is crucial for effective learning. * Phil emphasizes the importance of feedback in the training process. * Understanding technology's role in safety is essential for trainers. * Creating a supportive learning environment fosters growth. * Encouraging mistakes can lead to better understanding and retention. * Phil's approach to training focuses on experiential learning principles. * Open communication is vital for improvement in the training community.
Let us know your questions;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this conversation, Phil and Dave Searle explore the journey of leaving England for a life in the mountains, the challenges and rewards of building a career in outdoor guiding, and the importance of physicality in this demanding profession. They discuss the perceptions of outdoor professionals, the generational differences in outdoor education, and the balance between teaching and learning. The conversation also delves into critical discussions about knot tying, the importance of dressing knots, and the mental health challenges faced by professionals in the industry. Throughout, they emphasize the need for open communication, continuous learning, and the importance of community in the outdoor world. * Physical activity is essential for outdoor professionals. * Guides must balance work and personal well-being. * Teaching requires understanding the learner's perspective. * Knot tying is a critical skill that requires attention to detail. * The outdoor industry is evolving with new generations. * Mental health is an important topic in outdoor professions. * Community support is vital for outdoor professionals. * Continuous learning is key to effective teaching. * Open conversations can bridge generational gaps in knowledge.
Dave's socials;
- Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/davejsearle/
- Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/DaveSearle
Oak App - https://getoak.app/
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Connect with Phil;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/
In this conversation, Phil talks to Brandon Peacock, a trauma survivor and founder of the charity Hit the Ground Running. They discuss Brandon's personal experience with trauma and how he has turned it into a positive force in his life. They also touch on the importance of empowerment, community, and accountability in the recovery process. Brandon shares his insights on mentorship and the value of connecting with others who have similar experiences. Overall, the conversation highlights the power of resilience and the ability to find purpose in the face of adversity. * Trauma survivors can find empowerment and purpose by using their experiences to make a positive impact in the world. * Supportive structures, such as a strong community and mentors, play a crucial role in the recovery process. * Accountability and taking personal responsibility are important for overcoming trauma and achieving personal growth. * Sharing personal stories and connecting with others who have similar experiences can provide a sense of community and hope. * Empowering individuals to take control of their own recovery and providing them with the tools and resources they need is essential.
Learn more about Hit the Ground Running - https://www.htgrcharity.com/
Learn more about Brandon's story - https://www.htgrcharity.com/brandon-peacock
Connect with Brandon - brandon@htgrcharity.com
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this episode, Phil reflects on his 2018 blog post 'Finding Pinecones,' emphasizing the significance of small moments in learning and connection. He shares a personal story about a child's unexpected favorite camp memory and discusses the impact of unplanned interactions during a training session with students from Iraq. Phil offers practical strategies for facilitators to enhance group dynamics, such as sharing meals, encouraging questions, and adapting to the group's needs. He concludes by highlighting the importance of flexibility in facilitation and the value of recognizing those small, impactful moments. * The small moments often have a bigger impact than we think. * Unplanned interactions can lead to significant learning experiences. * Eating meals together fosters connection and openness. * Creating opportunities for questions enhances engagement. * Flexibility in facilitation is crucial for meeting group needs. * Listening to participants can reveal their true interests. * Building relationships is key to effective group dynamics. * Recognizing the value of simple moments can enrich experiences. * Facilitators should be prepared to adapt their plans. * Finding 'pinecones' can lead to unexpected insights.
Connect with Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - @verticalplaypen
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this conversation, Phil and Lisa explore the concept of flow state, particularly in the context of facilitation and training. They discuss personal experiences with flow, the balance between ability and challenge, and the role of facilitators in creating an environment conducive to flow. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding individual and group dynamics to enhance engagement and learning outcomes. * Facilitators play a crucial role in creating flow for participants. * Personal experiences can significantly influence the perception of flow. * Boredom and apathy can arise from low challenge in a group setting. * High challenge with low ability can lead to frustration and disengagement. * Designing activities that promote flow requires understanding group dynamics. * Intrinsic motivation is key to maintaining engagement in learning environments. * Facilitators should model flow to inspire participants. * Challenge by choice allows individuals to find their own balance of ability and challenge. * Reflection on past experiences can inform future facilitation strategies.
Connect with Lisa - lhunt@high5adventure.org
Connect with Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - @verticalplaypen
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Ted-Ed Flow State video - https://www.ted.com/talks/ted_ed_how_to_enter_flow_state?subtitle=en
Christy Brodeur (Project Adventure) and Chris Damboise (High 5) join Phil to discuss the lesser known history of challenge courses. The discussion covers the contributions of Georges Hébert, Yvonne Moreau, the development of obstacle courses, and the integration of challenge courses into Outward Bound and Project Adventure. The conversation also touches on the role of women in the history of challenge courses and the transition from military-focused training to educational and team development purposes. The guests highlight the importance of understanding the historical context and origins of challenge courses in order to have meaningful discussions about accessibility and diversity in the field. It discusses how challenge courses were initially developed as a way to prepare soldiers for war and how they later transitioned into educational and recreational settings. The conversation also touches on the commercialization of challenge courses and the need for practitioners to be intentional and inclusive in their approach. The key themes include the historical context of challenge courses, the impact of culture and community, and the importance of accessibility and inclusivity. * Challenge courses have their origins in military training and physical fitness, specifically in the French military and the experiences of Georges Hébert. * The development of challenge courses involved the transformation of military training methods into educational and team development tools. * The history of challenge courses includes the contributions of women, although their roles have often been overlooked or minimized. * Understanding the historical context and origins of challenge courses is important for discussions about accessibility and diversity in the field. Challenge courses have their roots in military training and the Outward Bound model, which incorporated service projects as part of the experience. * The development of challenge courses was influenced by the need to prepare soldiers for war and the realization that traditional sports alone were not sufficient for combat readiness. * Challenge courses have evolved to be used in educational and recreational settings, but it is important for practitioners to be intentional and inclusive in their approach. * The commercialization of challenge courses has led to a pay-to-play model, which can limit access for certain communities. Efforts should be made to make challenge courses more accessible and culturally relevant.
For Christy's sited research click here - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A2VTPWo4J43ZPQb2D5f96nTlOZpXjhd1/view?usp=sharing
Connect with Christy - cbrodeur@pa.org
Connect with Chris Damboise - cdamboise@high5adventure.org
Connect with Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
instagram - @verticalplaypen
Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this episode of Vertical Playpen, Phil discusses the top five skills that every belayer should possess. He emphasizes the importance of physicality, effective communication, openness to feedback, the necessity of checklists, and understanding the physics involved in belaying. Each skill is explored in detail, providing insights and practical tips for improving belaying techniques and ensuring safety while climbing. * Belaying requires a solid understanding of physicality and stance. * Effective communication with climbers enhances their experience. * Being open to feedback is crucial for growth as a belayer. * Checklists help prevent complacency and ensure safety. * Understanding physics can improve belaying techniques. * Maintaining a proper belay stance protects your back. * Regular check-ins with climbers build trust and confidence. * Adaptability in technique is key to being a great belayer. * Visual aids can enhance understanding of belaying skills. * Always prioritize safety through thorough checks and awareness.
Connect with Phil;
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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A nightmare when travelling is losing your bags, and then nightmare is intensified when you rely on what is in those bags to do you job. Phil and Lisa share their experience of a recent facilitation program in Europe where their bag of props did not arrive. They quickly pivoted and adapted their program to work with the resources they had. In this conversation, Chris Ortiz, Lisa, and Phil discuss the elements of planning and co-facilitation that contributed to the success of a program despite facing setbacks. They emphasize the importance of understanding the goals and themes of activities, rather than just focusing on the activities themselves. They also highlight the value of radical acceptance and trust in co-facilitation, allowing each facilitator to bring their own style and ideas to the program. The conversation touches on the significance of having a process for planning and preparation, as well as the benefits of incorporating novel and unique aspects into a program. Overall, the conversation highlights the resilience and adaptability required in facilitation, and the importance of maintaining a positive and flexible mindset. * Quickly pivot and adapt when faced with unexpected challenges * Focus on what you have and make adjustments as needed * Avoid over-apologizing or mentioning what's missing * Value the importance of planning and preparation, even if the original plan doesn't work out Understand the goals and themes of activities, rather than just focusing on the activities themselves. * Radical acceptance and trust are key in co-facilitation, allowing each facilitator to bring their own style and ideas. * Having a process for planning and preparation is important for a successful program. * Incorporating novel and unique aspects into a program can enhance engagement and create memorable experiences. * Resilience and adaptability are essential qualities for facilitators to navigate setbacks and challenges.
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In this conversation, Phil and Angus Firth (Rapid Teams) discuss team building and team development in the context of outdoor education and experiential learning. They explore the challenges of blurring the line between fun, leadership, social events, and professional development. Angus shares his experience with designing and facilitating their Amazing Race event, which combines project adventure games with the structure of the TV show. They also discuss the need for the industry to be more legitimate and the importance of long-term initiatives and planning. * Blurring the line between fun, leadership, social events, and professional development is a challenge in team building and team development. * The Amazing Race event can be designed to include project adventure games and challenges that foster collaboration, strategy, and problem-solving. * Long-term initiatives and planning are essential for making a lasting impact in team development. * The industry needs to focus on being more legitimate and avoid taking on jobs that do not align with their mission and values. * Pushing individuals to face their fears, such as heights, is not appropriate in the modern workplace and should be avoided. * The industry has become more aware of inclusivity and the need to create experiences that cater to different personality styles and energy levels. * Competition can be a positive aspect of team development if it is structured well and aligned with the goals of the program.
Learn more about Rapid Teams - https://rapidteams.com.au/
Connect with Angus - angus@rapidteams.com.au
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In this episode, Phil, Sam, Lisa, Chris, and Anthony play a game called Wavelength. Each player takes turns as the guesser and asks the others to name something in a category that corresponds to a number on a scale. The players try to be on the same wavelength and guess the number correctly. * Wavelength is a fun game that challenges players to think like each other and be on the same wavelength. * The game prompts interesting discussions and reveals different perspectives on various topics. * Icebreaker questions can be tricky to come up with, as they can be either too easy or too difficult. * Knowing each other well and understanding each other's preferences and thought processes can help in playing the game. * The game fosters a sense of camaraderie and teamwork as players try to guess the correct number. Wavelength is a fun game that involves rating various topics on a scale of 1 to 20. * Giving detailed answers in the game can lead to more engaging conversations. * The hosts and guests have different opinions and perspectives, which adds to the enjoyment of the game. * The game prompts discussions and reflections on various topics, such as video game consoles, weather conditions, and NBA teams.
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What is Adventure Education? In this episode Phil discusses the following; * Adventure education promotes learning through adventure-centered experiences. * Adventure education can include a wide variety of activities, both outdoor and indoor. * Adventure education is an active process that requires active engagement from learners and instructors. * Adventure education can involve emotional and social risks. * The outcomes of adventure education programs include leadership development, improved self-concept, academic growth, enhanced personality traits, improved interpersonal skills, and increased adventuresomeness. * Program characteristics that contribute to these outcomes include the physical environment, activities, processing, the group, instructors, and the participants.
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In this conversation, Phil interviews Brian Lisson about his journey in the adventure education industry. They discuss various topics, including Brian's introduction to adventure education, the value of adventure education beyond the activities, the growth and future of the industry, and advice for emerging professionals. They also touch on the challenges of commercialization and the importance of credentialing and education in the field. Takeaways; * Be good at something and become irreplaceable in that area to increase job opportunities. * Take advantage of opportunities to learn from others and build connections in the industry. * The industry has seen growth, but there is a need for more focus on education and learning. * The commercialization of adventure activities can make it challenging to communicate the unique experiences and outcomes of adventure education. * Credentialing and standards are important for the industry's future, along with better education and learning opportunities. * Adventure education goes beyond the activities and is about building community, relationships, and social-emotional learning.
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This episode was recorded live in front of attendees from the BOOST (Best out of School Time) Conference in Palm Springs California in 2024. The conversation focuses on emotions and feelings, and the importance of having conversations about them. Phil introduces emotions cards and encouraged participants to choose an emotion or feeling that resonated with them. Participants then discussed their chosen word with a partner. Phil explains the difference between emotions and feelings, emphasizing that emotions are uncontrollable and common, while feelings are subjective and interpretive. Phil also introduced the mood meter, a tool for classifying emotions and feelings based on pleasantness and energy. Participants placed their chosen words on the mood meter grid, leading to discussions about the placement and subjective nature of emotions and feelings. * Emotions and feelings are important topics to discuss and understand. * Emotions are uncontrollable and common, while feelings are subjective and interpretive. * The mood meter is a tool for classifying emotions and feelings based on pleasantness and energy. * Emotions and feelings can be subjective and differ from person to person. * Having conversations about emotions and feelings can lead to greater understanding and empathy.
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Phil discusses various acronyms used in the industry, particularly in relation to safety standards and regulations. He goes through 15 acronyms and explains their meanings and significance. The acronyms covered include AHJ, ANSI, ASTM, ISO, ACCT, ICE, PRCA, CWA, AEE, OSHA, UIAA, CE, NFPA, ERCA, EN, and kN. Takeaways * There are numerous acronyms used in the industry, particularly in relation to safety standards and regulations. * Understanding these acronyms is important for ensuring compliance and safety in the workplace. * Some of the key acronyms discussed include AHJ, ANSI, ASTM, ISO, ACCT, ICE, PRCA, CWA, AEE, OSHA, UIAA, CE, NFPA, ERCA, EN, and kilonewtons. * AHJ refers to authority having jurisdiction, which are entities responsible for enforcing building codes and regulations. * ANSI is the American National Standards Institute, which oversees the development and use of standards and guidelines. * ASTM is the American Society for Testing and Materials, which develops and publishes voluntary consensus standards. * ISO is the International Organization for Standardization, a worldwide federation of national standards bodies. * ACCT is the Association for Challenge Course Technology, which advocates for and develops standards for the challenge course industry. * OSHA is the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, a governmental oversight body that ensures safe working conditions. * UIAA is the Union International Alpine Association, which maintains safety standards for climbing equipment. * CE stands for Conformity European and indicates that a product meets European health, safety, and environmental standards. * NFPA is the National Fire Protection Association, which creates and maintains standards and codes for fire safety. * ERCA is the European Ropes Course Association, which updates and optimizes standards for ropes courses. * EN refers to European norm standards, which specify requirements for various products and equipment. * kN - Kilonewtons is a unit of force used to measure the strength and load capacity of equipment like carabiners. * Having a good understanding of these acronyms can help ensure compliance with safety standards and regulations in the industry.
Chapters 00:00Introduction to Acronyms in the Industry 02:06ANSI: American National Standards Institute 04:30ISO: International Organization for Standardization 06:43ICE: Inspector Certification Exam 09:03AEE: Association for Experiential Education 11:52CE: Conformity European 12:49EN: European Norm Standard 13:42EN 12492: Safety Requirements for Safety Helmets 18:20Conclusion and Recap Contact Phil; Email - podcast@high5adventure.org instagram - @verticalplaypen Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this episode, Phil discusses the importance of proper equipment storage at challenge courses. He highlights common issues such as equipment being stored in damp areas, lack of organization, and staff using equipment for personal use. Phil provides steps to improve equipment storage, including organizing gear for easy inspection, discarding and replacing faulty equipment, establishing local operating procedures, securing equipment in a locked area, and implementing a no personal use policy. He also emphasizes the need for a designated challenge course manager and the importance of program accountability and participant experience. Takeaways * Proper equipment storage is crucial for the safety and effectiveness of challenge courses. * Organize gear to facilitate inspections and ensure all equipment is accounted for. * Discard and replace any equipment that does not meet safety standards. * Establish local operating procedures for storage, use, and inspection of equipment. * Secure equipment in a locked area to prevent unauthorized access and protect it from moisture and vermin. * Implement a no personal use policy to avoid liability and maintain equipment integrity. * Designate a challenge course manager to oversee program accountability and ensure a positive participant experience.
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The conversation explores the importance of relationships and adapting to individual needs as a facilitator. The speaker shares their experience working with diverse populations and emphasizes the role of relationships in connecting with participants and creating meaningful outcomes. They discuss the challenge of teaching the importance of relationships and share strategies for building trust and rapport with groups. The conversation also touches on the concept of buy-in and the need to present the value and purpose of activities to participants. The speaker highlights the importance of vulnerability and feedback in facilitating group dynamics and emphasizes the need to adjust facilitation goals based on the needs of the group. Takeaways * Building relationships is crucial in connecting with participants and adapting facilitation style to meet their needs. * The role of trust and rapport in facilitating meaningful outcomes and creating a safe space for participants to learn and grow. * Presenting the value and purpose of activities is essential in gaining buy-in from participants. * Being vulnerable and open to feedback as a facilitator can help build trust and improve group dynamics. * Adjusting facilitation goals based on the needs of the group is important for meeting their social-emotional learning needs.
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Phil discusses whether staff should be allowed to use their own personal equipment while facilitating on a challenge course. The main points covered include the comfort factor, the availability of gear loops, and instilling confidence in participants. Phil argues against the policy of using personal equipment and provides reasons such as the limited time spent hanging in the harness, the availability of rescue equipment, and the potential liability issues. The importance of uniformity, understanding manufacturer's recommendations, and the psychological benefits to participants are also highlighted. Takeaways * Consider the reasons for allowing staff to use personal equipment on a challenge course * The comfort factor may not be significant as challenge course facilitators do not spend much time hanging in the harness * The availability of gear loops may not be essential and can add unnecessary weight to the harness * Instilling confidence in participants can be achieved by wearing the same harness as them * Liability issues arise when personal equipment is not included in the inspection report * Uniformity and understanding manufacturer's recommendations are important for safety and ease of use
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Phil explores the challenges and solutions related to team building and team development activities. It delves into personal experiences, frustrations, and strategies for enjoying and improving the facilitation of such activities. The discussion covers the importance of finding enjoyable activities, program design, relaxation, and managing external pressures. Takeaways * Finding activities that YOU enjoy is crucial for effective facilitation. * Program design should consider energy flow and balance between activities. * Relaxation and managing external pressures are essential for enjoying the facilitation process.
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In this episode, Phil discusses the concept of power in the context of challenge courses and ropes courses. He identifies six areas where facilitators may unintentionally take power away from participants and provides solutions to empower them. The areas include harnesses, knots, belaying, the challenge itself, support, and lowering. Phil emphasizes the importance of giving participants choice and control, ultimately honoring empowerment. Takeaways * Facilitators may unintentionally take power away from participants in challenge courses and ropes courses. * Empowering participants involves giving them choice and control in various aspects of the experience. * Teaching participants how to put on their own harnesses, tie their own knots, and belay can enhance their sense of power and control.
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Hutch Hutchinson, a senior lecturer at the Questrom School of Business, shares his journey in experiential education and the historical context of outdoor education. He discusses the impact of industrial education, the role of associations like AEE, and the future of experiential education in a changing world. Takeaways; * Experiential education has a rich historical context that predates the industrial education model and is rooted in the philosophy of student-centered learning. * Associations like AEE provide a diverse and enriching platform for experiential educators to learn and grow, offering a wide range of perspectives and expertise. * The future of education will require a focus on trauma-informed teaching, empathy, and personal connection, all of which are inherent in experiential education. * Mentorship and networking are essential for emerging professionals in the field of experiential education, providing guidance and diverse perspectives for career development.
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In this conversation, Phil Brown and Andrew Jillings discuss their shared passion for adventure and experiential education. They delve into their personal experiences, the evolution of risk management, and the advice for emerging professionals in the field. The conversation also touches on the balance between experience and certifications in the industry. Phil Brown discusses the importance of experience, decision-making, and risk management in the field of experiential education. He emphasizes the value of diverse experiences and the ability to make quick, critical decisions. Phil also shares insights on the selection and training of student leaders for orientation trips, as well as the significance of repetition and variation in skill development. Takeaways: * Passion for adventure and experiential education drives the work of professionals in the field. * The evolution of risk management and the balance between minimizing negatives and maximizing positives. * The importance of both experience and certifications in establishing legitimacy in the industry. * Advice for emerging professionals to gain diverse experiences and demonstrate a commitment to the field. The value of diverse experiences in decision-making and risk management * The importance of repetition and variation in skill development * The significance of selecting and training student leaders for orientation trips
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This conversation explores the pitfalls of over-reliance on props and tools in facilitation, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing conversation and relationship-building. It delves into the need for time and depth in facilitation, the skills and goals of facilitation, and the challenges of the adventure education field. The conversation also addresses the need for a more mature and professional approach to facilitation, advocating for deeper, more meaningful conversations and relationships. Takeaways; * The importance of prioritizing conversation and relationship-building over the over-reliance on props and tools in facilitation. * The need for time and depth in facilitation, emphasizing the skills and goals of facilitation. * Challenges faced in the adventure education field and the need for a more mature and professional approach to facilitation. * Advocacy for deeper, more meaningful conversations and relationships in facilitation.
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In this episode, Phil Brown interviews Chad Littlefield, the Chief Experience Officer of We and Me Inc. They start with a fun segment of random questions before diving into Chad's journey in experiential adventure education. Chad shares his first experience in experiential education and how it influenced his career path. He also discusses the importance of curiosity and connection in his work. Chad explains his role as the Chief Experience Officer and how WeConnect cards are designed to make connection easy for people. He offers advice on using the cards effectively, emphasizing the power of choice and incorporating content in activities. In this conversation, Phil Brown and Chad Littlefield discuss the importance of listening and asking powerful questions in creating meaningful connections. They explore different frameworks and techniques for effective communication, including the use of WeConnect cards and the concept of intention and openness. They also discuss the need for adaptation and innovation in the field of experiential education, especially in the context of remote work and virtual connections. Takeaways; * Experiential adventure education can have a profound impact on personal and professional development. * Following curiosity can lead to finding one's passion and purpose. * Connection is essential for healing, growth, and success in various contexts. * WeConnect cards are designed to make connection easy and can be used by facilitators and non-facilitators alike. * Giving people choice in answering questions can lead to deeper and more authentic conversations. * Incorporating content and weaving it into activities can enhance the effectiveness of using WeConnect cards. Listening to understand is more effective than listening to win. * Being clear about your intention and sharing it with others can create a foundation for trust and collaboration. * Entering a conversation with an open mind and being willing to be changed by the other person can lead to deeper connections. * Asking open-ended questions, particularly those starting with 'how' or 'what', can foster curiosity and meaningful dialogue. * In the field of experiential education, there is a need for adaptation and innovation to create impactful experiences. * Simplifying tools and focusing on purpose can enhance the effectiveness of facilitation.
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Harv discusses his journey into tree climbing and the emotional and physical benefits it provides. He explains the accessibility of tree climbing and the equipment used. The conversation also touches on the overlap between tree climbing and challenge courses, emphasizing the importance of connecting with nature and the environment. Harv shares information about the Global Organization of Tree Climbers and where to find more information about tree climbing. Takeaways * Tree climbing provides a sense of perspective, adventure, and discovery, and offers a reset in the universe. * Tree climbing is accessible to people of various physical abilities and does not require extensive physical fitness. * There is an overlap between tree climbing and challenge courses in terms of connecting with nature, teaching about the environment, and fostering empathy and support for nature. * Knowing the species of trees and understanding their importance in ecosystems can enhance the tree climbing experience and build a constituency for environmental protection. * The Global Organization of Tree Climbers (GOTC) provides guidelines, training, and a network of instructors and facilitators for safe tree climbing. * Tree climbing is a fun and social activity that enhances relationships and provides a shared context for conversations.
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Adam Ames, a visual artist, shares his experience attending a workshop at High 5 and how it transformed his approach to art and teaching. He discusses the initial skepticism he had, the moments of reflection and realization, and the impact of experiential education on his life. The conversation also touches on the creation of a sculpture that represents the group and the philosophy of adventure and experiential education. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of embracing new experiences, the value of reflection, and the power of teamwork. Takeaways * Experiential education can have a profound impact on one's approach to art, teaching, and life in general. * Reflection and moments of realization are key components of the experiential education process. * The creation of a sculpture that represents a group can be a powerful way to convey the philosophy of adventure and experiential education. * Embracing new experiences and being open to different perspectives can lead to personal growth and transformation. * Teamwork and collaboration are essential in both art and experiential education.
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Tre Gamage shares his journey into social-emotional learning (SEL) and the importance of SEL in education. He discusses the need for SEL programs for both students and adults, bridging the gap between generations, and the impact of every decision in life. He emphasizes that now is the time for SEL to shine, especially in the current climate of COVID-19 and discussions around equity. Tre provides resources for further learning and skill-building in SEL. Takeaways; * SEL is essential in education and should be a part of school plans * SEL programs should be implemented for both students and adults * Bridging the gap between generations is crucial for understanding and connection * Every decision in life matters and contributes to one's legacy * Now is the time for SEL to shine, especially in the current climate * Resources for further learning and skill-building in SEL are available
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In this conversation, Phil Brown interviews Jim Grout and Jen Ottinger about their roles at High 5 Adventure Learning Center and the past, present, and future of the organization. Jen shares how she was drawn to High 5 and the adventure education field, while Jim reflects on the early days of High 5 and the growth of the organization. They discuss their complementary leadership styles and the importance of trust and collaboration. They also talk about the future of High 5, including exploring the concept of social enterprise, promoting career building in the industry, and supporting professional development through a scholarship fund. Takeaways; * Jen was drawn to High 5 because of the opportunity to work with an amazing group of people and the excitement and passion she saw in the organization and its customers. * Jim and Jen have complementary leadership styles, with Jim being the visionary and Jen being the integrator, which has been a successful partnership for High 5. * Trust and collaboration are key elements of their leadership approach, and they prioritize putting people first and supporting the team. * The future of High 5 includes exploring the concept of social enterprise, promoting career building in the adventure education industry, and supporting professional development through a scholarship fund.
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High 5 Trivia is a quiz show about the challenge course industry. The host, Jamie Thibodeau, asks questions from different categories such as gear, facilitation, construction, history, and general knowledge. The participants compete to answer the questions correctly and earn points. The show covers topics like wooden utility poles, passive zip line braking systems, facilitation techniques, gear terminology, and challenge course elements. Takeaways; * High 5 Trivia is a quiz show about the challenge course industry * The show covers various topics related to gear, facilitation, construction, history, and general knowledge * Participants compete to answer questions correctly and earn points * The show provides insights into the challenge course industry and promotes learning and knowledge sharing
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This conversation explores the theme of leadership and the importance of building relationships in effective leadership. The discussion highlights examples of leadership from the movie Saving Private Ryan and the director of professional development (at the time the article was written) for the National Association of Independent Schools, Dave Mallory. The conversation also includes an exercise to reflect on positive and negative experiences with leaders and the impact of relationships in leadership. Takeaways; * Effective leadership is never without the attribute of building relationships. * Leadership is about caring and forming connections with others. * Positive leadership experiences leave a lasting impact and evoke feelings of respect, value, and happiness. * Poor leadership can have negative effects and create a sense of discomfort or fear. * Building relationships is a powerful tool in leadership and can create a safe and trusting environment. * Understanding oneself and one's relationship with others is essential in effective leadership.
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At the recent ACCT (Association for Challenge Course Technology) Conference in Oklahoma City, OK, Phil and Jamie had the pleasure of recording an episode with an in-person audience. The structure of the time was split between audience questions and a trivia show based on the Challenge Course industry. Play along and let us know how you did!
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In this conversation, Phil, Lisa and Chris discuss the finale of Season 2 and make predictions for Season 3 of the show. They analyze Carmy's leadership and the potential for growth and development in his character. They also explore the unresolved grief for Mikey and the impact it may have on the team. We also discuss the importance of team development in maintaining success and navigating renewal. The importance of vulnerability in leadership is highlighted, as well as the potential for new team members to join the group. Takeaways: * Leadership development and growth are important for individuals in a team. * Unresolved grief can impact team dynamics and should be addressed. * Imposter syndrome can arise when individuals are promoted or given new responsibilities. * Success can bring its own challenges, and team development is crucial for maintaining performance. * Renewal and adaptation are necessary for long-term success in any organization. The dynamics of a team can change as a business becomes more successful, and it is important to adapt to these changes. * Leadership can come from individuals who do not hold formal titles, and their influence can be crucial to the success of the team. * Balancing personal and professional life can be challenging for leaders, and finding ways to be vulnerable and open with the team can lead to better support and understanding. * Adding new team members can bring fresh perspectives and skills to the group, but it is important to consider how they will fit into the existing dynamics. * An operations manager or similar role may be necessary to support the team and ensure the smooth running of the business.
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In this conversation, Phil Brown, Lisa Hunt, and Chris Ortiz discuss the TV show 'The Bear' and its connections to the book 'The Power of Moments' by Chip and Dan Heath. They explore the key concepts of elevation, pride, insight, and connection, and how these concepts are reflected in the show and their work as facilitators. They also discuss the importance of recognizing and valuing others, the power of small gestures, and the role of charisma and sociability in building connections. The four key concepts are summarized below; 1. Elevation: This concept refers to moments that rise above the routine, mundane experiences of everyday life. These are the moments that make us feel lifted, inspired, or transformed. Elevation moments often involve surprise, joy, or awe, leaving a lasting impact on individuals. 2. Pride: Pride moments are those in which individuals feel a sense of accomplishment, recognition, or validation for their efforts. These moments are characterized by a feeling of mastery, competence, or success. They often involve overcoming challenges or obstacles, leading to a boost in self-esteem and motivation. 3. Insight: Insight moments occur when individuals gain a new understanding, perspective, or realization about themselves, others, or the world around them. These moments often come from moments of clarity, reflection, or learning, leading to personal growth, development, or transformation. 4. Connection: Connection moments involve deepening relationships, fostering empathy, or strengthening bonds between individuals. These moments can arise from shared experiences, acts of kindness, or moments of vulnerability, leading to a sense of belonging, trust, and intimacy.
Takeaways * The TV show 'The Bear' provides examples of powerful moments that can be created intentionally. * The concepts of elevation, pride, insight, and connection from 'The Power of Moments' book can be applied to both the show and facilitation work. * Recognizing and valuing others is important in creating moments of pride. * Breaking the script and creating unexpected experiences can elevate moments and engage participants. * Building connections and practicing sociability are essential for effective facilitation.
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In this conversation, Chris, Phil and Lisa discuss the character of Tina from the show 'The Bear' and explore various themes related to team dynamics and leadership. They highlight Tina's incremental shifts in perspective and the importance of creating buy-in as well as the significance of allowing failure and highlighting mistakes as a means of growth. We emphasize the value of investing in the right tools and professional development to support individual strengths and also touch on the role of informal leaders in driving change within organizations. Takeaways; * Creating buy-in is essential for successful team dynamics and implementing change. * Allowing individuals to fail and highlighting mistakes can lead to growth and learning. * Investing in the right tools and professional development supports individual strengths and benefits the organization. * Informal leaders play a crucial role in driving change and influencing team dynamics.
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In this conversation, Phil, Lisa and Chris discuss the character of Syd, the sous chef, in the TV show 'The Bear.' They explore Syd's impact on team dynamics, her impatience and eagerness for change, and the challenges she faces as a young and confident newcomer. We also discuss the importance of transparency and vulnerability in navigating change and building trust within a team. Overall, Syd's character represents the need for balance between confidence and humility in a work environment. Takeaways; * The introduction of a new team member can disrupt team dynamics and challenge established routines. * Impatience and eagerness for change can create tension and resistance within a team. * Transparency and open communication are crucial in navigating change and building trust. * Age, gender, and identity can influence how a new team member is perceived and integrated into the team. * Confidence can be both a strength and a facade, and vulnerability is essential for growth and connection. Rediscovering the joy in what we do can reignite our passion and purpose. * Taking a step back from the daily grind and reflecting on why we do what we do is important. * Small moments of positive feedback and enjoyment can have a significant impact.
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In this episode, the conversation focuses on the relationship between Carmy and Richie. It explores how their childhood friendship and non-family family dynamic contribute to their connection, the importance of building a strong foundation and trust in organizations is highlighted, as well as the impermanence of conflict and the need for touchstones and norms. The concept of finding purpose and aligning with a mission is discussed, along with the significance of supporting personal discoveries. The episode also delves into the appreciation for behind-the-scenes work and the value of authenticity and inclusion. Finally, it emphasizes that different purposes can still lead in the same direction. Takeaways; * Building a strong foundation and trust is crucial in relationships and organizations. * Conflict can be impermanent if there is a strong foundation and common purpose. * Supporting personal discoveries and allowing organic growth is important in leadership. * Appreciating behind-the-scenes work and valuing authenticity and inclusion contribute to a positive organizational culture.
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In this episode, the Phil, Lisa and Chris Ortiz discuss the TV show 'The Bear', produced by FX and available on HULU, and its relevance to their work in team development and group dynamics. They explore the complex characters and the impact of first impressions. The family dynamics and relationships in the show are also highlighted. The hosts provide a brief synopsis of the show and discuss the symbolism and bookending used in the storytelling. They compare 'The Bear' to another popular show, 'Ted Lasso,' and discuss the raw emotion and uncomfortable moments depicted in 'The Bear.' The importance of observation and group dynamics in facilitation work is emphasized. The concept of individual expression versus conformity is explored, along with the resistance to change and the need for alignment. The episode concludes with a preview of future episodes. Takeaways; * First impressions can be misleading, and people often have more dimensions than they initially present. * The show 'The Bear' portrays raw emotion and uncomfortable moments, allowing viewers to sit in the discomfort and reflect on real-life experiences. * Observation of group dynamics is an essential skill for facilitators, and 'The Bear' provides valuable insights into the dynamics of a kitchen staff. * Balancing individual expression and conformity is crucial in team dynamics and program design. * Resistance to change can be overcome by creating alignment and focusing on the benefits of adopting new practices.
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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Inspired by a New York Times article, this conversation explores the topic of loneliness and the importance of connection in adventure education. Jim shares his personal experience with loneliness during his hospital stay and highlights the power of connection in sustaining him. The conversation emphasizes the need for intentional community building in workshops and the adventure education industry. It also discusses the importance of creating a supportive community for newcomers in the field through mentorship programs and scholarships. The conversation highlights the importance of reaching out and connecting with others. It emphasizes the power of simple gestures and how they can create a positive reaction in the other person. Takeaways; * Loneliness can have detrimental effects on physical and mental health. * Connection and community building are essential in adventure education. * Creating intentional moments for connection in workshops can enhance the overall experience. * The adventure education industry should prioritize community building and support for newcomers.
NYT Article on Loneliness - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/opinion/loneliness-epidemic-solutions.html
NYT Loneliness video - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/opinion/loneliness-epidemic-mental-health.html
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In this conversation, Phil interviews Andrew Bogue (Challenge Quest) about his love for training and teaching in the ropes course industry. Bogue shares his passion for sharing knowledge and helping others learn. He emphasizes the importance of allowing trainees to make mistakes and providing a supportive and fun training environment. Bogue also discusses the need for collaboration and the negative impact of ego in the training industry. He shares his opinion on cutaway rescues and expresses his dislike for butt belays. Bogue encourages trainers to normalize mistakes and shares personal experiences of learning from mistakes. He concludes by highlighting the importance of knowing why you do what you do in training. Takeaways; * Create a supportive and fun training environment that allows trainees to make mistakes and learn from them. * Collaborate with other trainers and organizations in the industry instead of viewing them as competitors. * Normalize mistakes and emphasize the importance of learning from them. * Know why you do what you do in training and focus on client needs rather than personal ego.
Learn more about Challenge Quest - https://www.challengequest.com/
Bogue's email - bogue@challengequest.com
Bogue's Instagram - @bogue_sunshine
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TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL, PLEASE INCLUDE: Workshop Title - Be captivating in a few words! Workshop Description - Craft a compelling 50-word summary. Audience - Identify who will benefit from your workshop. Outcomes - Outline what attendees will gain or achieve. Short Bio - Introduce yourself in 30 words or less. High-Resolution Photo/Headshot - Put a face to your name! All workshop sessions are 90 minutes. Email your proposal to amartino@high5adventure.org with "2024 Symposium Presentation" in the subject line. Submission Deadline: February 9, 2024. Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
In this episode, Phil and Rich provide advice on how to present at conferences. They discuss the process of preparing and submitting a presentation, including choosing a title and solving a problem. They also emphasize the importance of co-presenting and structuring workshops with experiential activities. They suggest submitting workshop ideas multiple times and highlight the benefits of presenting at smaller conferences for emerging professionals. They also discuss the challenges of presenting to a large audience and the value of vulnerability in presenting. They encourage listeners to practice and test their workshops with smaller groups and provide actionable steps for developing workshop ideas. Takeaways; * Everyone has something to present on at conferences. * Choose a title that solves a problem and grabs the audiences attention. * You don't need to have the full workshop figured out before submitting. * Consider co-presenting for your first few workshops. * Practice and test your workshops with smaller groups before presenting to a large audience.
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Submit a workshop for the High 5 Symposium -
TO SUBMIT A PROPOSAL, PLEASE INCLUDE: Workshop Title - Be captivating in a few words! Workshop Description - Craft a compelling 50-word summary. Audience - Identify who will benefit from your workshop. Outcomes - Outline what attendees will gain or achieve. Short Bio - Introduce yourself in 30 words or less. High-Resolution Photo/Headshot - Put a face to your name! All workshop sessions are 90 minutes. Email your proposal to amartino@high5adventure.org with "2024 Symposium Presentation" in the subject line. Submission Deadline: February 9, 2024. Let us know what you would like us to discuss in future episodes.
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Tom Percival, author and illustrator, discusses the importance of emotions in children's books and the power of vulnerability and empathy. He shares his personal experiences and how they influence his storytelling. Tom emphasizes the need for authenticity and creating a safe space for emotional expression. He also discusses breaking gender stereotypes and embracing all emotions. Tom explores the value of 'bad' emotions and the importance of feeling not alone in one's emotions. He concludes by sharing his future projects and his hope for readers to find solace and resilience in his books. Takeaways; * Emotions play a crucial role in children's books, helping young readers understand and navigate their feelings. * Vulnerability and empathy are powerful tools for connecting with children and creating a safe space for emotional expression. * Breaking gender stereotypes and embracing all emotions is essential for promoting emotional well-being. * 'Bad' emotions have value and can be used as a guide for personal growth and understanding. * Feeling not alone in one's emotions is comforting and reassuring, emphasizing the importance of community and support. * Authenticity and honesty are key in both personal and professional relationships, fostering trust and understanding. * Creating multi-layered stories that resonate with both children and adults allows for deeper engagement and shared experiences. * Challenges and obstacles in life provide opportunities for growth and resilience. * Children's books have the power to inspire and empower readers, offering hope and solutions to life's problems.
This episode was originally published - 9/14/2021
Check out our newest product - Emotions by High 5 - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/emotions-by-high-5
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This conversation explores the importance of culture in organizations and how it contributes to staff appreciation, retention, and overall success. Phil and Jim discuss the role of culture in creating conditions suitable for growth and how it impacts relationships, trust, and collaboration. They share examples of modeling good culture and the impact it has on individuals and the organization as a whole. The conversation emphasizes the importance of building connections, fostering a sense of community, and creating an environment that supports growth and development. It also highlights the challenges and tests that organizations may face in maintaining a strong culture. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the value of intentional culture and human connection in organizations. Takeaways; * Culture plays a crucial role in staff appreciation, retention, and overall success in organizations. * Creating conditions suitable for growth is essential for fostering a positive culture. * Modeling good culture and building connections are key strategies for cultivating a strong organizational culture. * An intentional focus on culture and human connection can lead to a sense of community, growth, and development.
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In this short conversation, Ella Brown discusses her experiences learning and performing scary activities like skiing and circus skills. Ella also talks about managing nervousness and self-doubt, performing with an audience, and the importance of encouragement and support. She reflects on her own fears and how she overcomes them, as well as the role of empathy in understanding others' nervousness. Ella discusses her dreams for future challenges and the joy of learning new tricks. Takeaways; * Adults can be helpful when teaching and supporting children in scary activities by providing encouragement and support. * Managing nervousness and self-doubt is important for performing well in challenging activities. * Performing with an audience can be scarier, but the support and encouragement from the audience can also be motivating. * Empathy and understanding for others' nervousness can help in providing support and encouragement. * Overcoming fear and facing challenges can lead to a sense of worth and accomplishment. * Learning new tricks and taking on new challenges can be exciting and rewarding.
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In this conversation, Phil interviews Greg Kettner about the power of laughter and its role in creating connections and positive work environments. Greg shares his experience with standup comedy and how laughter can alleviate anxiety and stress. They discuss the decline of laughter in adulthood and the importance of incorporating laughter into daily life. Greg emphasizes the importance of finding a balance between mockery and positivity when using humor. They also explore the impact of laughter on mental health and the challenges of separating work and home. The conversation concludes with a discussion on embracing laughter and creating a work happy environment. Takeaways; * Laughter is a universal language that connects people and creates bonds. * In adulthood, the frequency of laughter decreases significantly, but incorporating laughter into daily life can alleviate stress and anxiety. * Finding a balance between mockery and positivity is crucial when using humor in serious topics. * Laughter has healing properties and can improve mental health. * Creating a work happy environment involves incorporating laughter and humor into the workplace.
Connect with Greg - greg@gregkettner.com
Check out his Ted Talk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uVBePSXGSc
Learn more about WorkHappy - https://www.gregkettner.com/workhappy
Humor Lab Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/thehumorlab
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In this conversation, Phil and Lisa discuss the concept of free play and its benefits and challenges. They explore the pressure to maximize leisure time and the potential stress it can cause. They also delve into the difficulties of open-ended free play in group settings and the importance of finding the right balance and structure. The conversation highlights the risk and stress of complete open-endedness and the dilemma of providing examples in open-ended questions. They also discuss the benefits of open-ended play in decreasing facilitator dependence and share successful examples of structured free play. The conversation concludes with a call to seek participant perspectives on open-ended play.
Have thoughts on this particular topic? Please let us know;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this episode, Phil sits down with Mark Collard (playmeo.com) to discuss;
- His introduction to the world of adventure education
- How Playmeo came to be
- That adventure education is a methodology and not an educational subject
- His hopes for the future of the industry
- Several answers to increasingly bizarre "would you rather" questions
*Note - this is a re-production and edited version of a conversation recording in early 2019, back when I recorded episodes in my car.
Learn more about Mark and Playmeo - playmeo.com
Connect with Mark - hello@playmeo.com
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HIGH 5 RETREAT EPISODE
In this episode of the podcast Phil and Rich host a game show "Two Truths, No Lies" for the High 5 staff as they make their way to this years all-staff retreat.
The task - listen to all 23 pairs of truths and try to guess which pair belongs to which High 5 staff member.
Start of the game - 3:25
For those listening who do not work at High 5, I both apologize and equally welcome you to enjoy listening to the varied and diverse experiences that are team share.
This episode also attempts to highlight 2 things;
- An example of an activity you can do with your intact teams
- That we are a fun (and interesting) bunch of humans!
GIVEAWAY - Play along at home and if you believe you know how 2+ correct pairings then message me on Instagram @verticalplaypen or email me and depending on how many you get correct you will be entered into a drawing to win a sticker pack!
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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In this episode, members of the training team (Phil, Lisa, Chris and Rich) sit down to discuss an often used theme of this podcast - What is something you were taught that you now disagree with?
Topics covered;
- Everyone joining in
- Eye contact
- Activity Sequencing
- Do Low elements have much lead-in to High elements
- Group goals
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Join Phil in a conversation with Chris Wiley, from The Story School, as they delve into the world of Live Action Role-Playing (LARPing) and how Chris has seen growth in the campers that attend.
Chris passionately shares the many social and educational benefits hidden within this unique and immersive experience. From fostering creativity and problem-solving to building strong communities, LARPing has much to offer for both participants and educators.
Learn more about The Story School - https://www.thestoryschool.org/
Connect with Chris - cwiley@thestoryschool.org
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In this episode, Phil sits down with JJ Stapleton from The Adventure Park at Sandy Spring to dive into the world of facilitating guides and the ripple effect of investing in employee training and development. Together, they explore the benefits of teaching facilitation techniques to guides and how it enhances the overall guest experience. Discover how investing in your team's growth can lead to a workforce that's not only highly skilled but also fiercely loyal. If you're interested in the secrets behind successful employee development and creating exceptional guest interactions, this podcast is a must-listen.
Learn more about The Adventure Park at Sandy Spring - https://sandyspringadventurepark.org/
Employment opportunities - https://sandyspringadventurepark.org/employment/
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We made it! Episode 200!
4 years ago we decided to start recording conversations with the aim of supporting adventure educators and we are so proud of where we are now.
200 episodes, 100+ educators interviewed, magazine articles written, live audience recordings made, 25+ countries listening, and countless lessons learned.
This episode is a giant THANK YOU to you all.
So thanks for listening.
If you know someone who should be interviewed, or you have a topic for us to discuss, let us know;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this episode, Lisa sits down with Phil to explore the intriguing question: Is there a difference between English facilitation style and the US facilitation style?
*Note - these views are specific to Phil's experiences and thoughts.
Phil delves into various aspects, shedding light on the nuances that make each style unique. From energy and positivity to the use of curse words, Phil shares his thoughts on the cultural distinctions that shape facilitation on either side of the Atlantic. Join the conversation as they discuss the role of summer camps in the US, providing an insight into how these cultural elements influence the world of facilitation. If you're curious about the cross-cultural aspects of facilitation, this episode is a must-listen.
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Join Phil and Lisa as they embark on an insightful exploration of the question, "What makes a group great?" We've all been there, finishing a program, and when asked, "How was the group?" we casually respond with "They were great."
But what exactly defines greatness in a group? Is it the absence of issues, genuine camaraderie, collective learning, or something more?
Here are some factors a facilitator might consider that impact how much a group may struggle (as mentioned by Lisa):
- Social, Emotional, Economic and Cultural history of the group
- Length of Program (hours)
- Structure of the program (in school, year long, field trip)
- Goals of Program
- Relationship facilitator has to group
- Relationship facilitator has to the “Client” or chaperone
- Experience level of Facilitator
If you have a topic or question for us to discuss you can send it to;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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Join Phil and Lisa in this special episode as they address two intriguing questions from you, the podcast listeners.
In the first segment, they delve into the ways music can be used when facilitating group activities. They share ways that it has been successful and ways that should be avoided.
In the second part of the episode, the question focuses on unique locations that they have facilitated in; a wedding, an army base and snowy canadian mountains.
Submit your questions to be answered on a future episode;
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In this episode, join Phil and Rich as they dive into a fascinating discussion on the causes and effective strategies to reduce that moment when participants freeze in the air on a ropes course.
Drawing from their extensive experience in outdoor adventure and team-building activities, they explore the psychology behind this common challenge and offer practical tips to help facilitators navigate their participant's fear.
Strategies include;
- Framing the day and creating an atmosphere of choice
- Designing the program that scaffolds skill and challenge
- Allowing participants to be lowered at any point in the their climb
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email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this thought-provoking episode Phil and Lisa delve deep into the world of adventure education and one specific component: the concept of the unknown. Traditionally, adventure education often emphasizes keeping participants in the dark, shrouding activities in secrecy to create an element of surprise and uncertainty. However, we challenge this approach, arguing that it can have unintended consequences.
Join us as we explore the importance of maintaining a psychologically safe learning environment in adventure education. We discuss why withholding information and keeping participants in the dark may not always be the best strategy. We believe that pushing people into the unknown without adequate preparation can have adverse effects, potentially pushing them out of their comfort zones too soon, leading to discomfort, anxiety, and even negative learning experiences.
Whether you're an educator, adventure enthusiast, or simply curious about the dynamics of adventure education, this episode will provide valuable perspectives on how to create a more effective and psychologically safe learning environment. Join us for a candid conversation that challenges conventional wisdom and explores innovative ways to optimize adventure education for everyone involved.
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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Join Phil and Lisa in this insightful episode as we dive deep into the fascinating world of intrinsic motivation. We explore how motivation that arises naturally, rather than from external rewards, can be enhanced through various activities. We'll uncover the four key elements that play a pivotal role in boosting intrinsic motivation:
- Challenge: Discover the importance of setting tasks that are just the right level of difficulty. Find out how striking the perfect balance between skill and challenge can ignite your inner drive.
- Curiosity: Uncover the power of curiosity in fueling motivation. Learn how novel experiences and questions can stimulate your intrinsic desire to learn and explore.
- Creativity: Explore how activities that encourage creativity can be a catalyst for motivation. We delve into the significance of having a voice in designing, executing, and solving tasks.
- Choice: Understand the role of individual choice in intrinsic motivation. Whether it's a facilitator allowing for choices or activities naturally providing options, we explore how autonomy can empower motivation.
Tune in to gain valuable insights on harnessing your intrinsic motivation and applying these principles to various aspects of your life. Don't miss out on this episode that can transform the way you approach motivation and program design.
What topics would you like us to discuss? Let us know in the following ways;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
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In this episode, Phil shares with Rich that he has applied for US Citizenship and that he is studying for his exam, which results in Phil testing Rich.
Following this, Rich introduces the main topic of this episode, the importance of learning the names of your participants. Thoughts are shared on the following;
- The effectiveness (and ineffectiveness) of name games
- The best ways they have found for learning names
- Stories on when names have been forgotten and/or gotten wrong
If you have a topic that you would like us to discuss or a question for us, submit them to;
- Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
- Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Welcome back to the second installment of our captivating interview with experiential education luminary, Vishwas Parchure. In this engaging episode, we continue our exploration of the art of facilitation as Vishwas delves deep into a range of thought-provoking topics, sharing his profound insights and practical wisdom.
Vishwas shines a spotlight on a common practice in facilitation - "hot-seating." Through a critical lens, he unpacks the potential pitfalls of this approach, revealing the hidden dynamics that can hinder authentic engagement and learning. Discover how Vishwas proposes a more nuanced and effective alternative that fosters a truly open and safe learning environment.
As the conversation unfolds, Vishwas addresses a fundamental question every facilitator grapples with: How much should you talk? Drawing from his wealth of experience, he provides a refreshing perspective on the delicate balance between guiding participants and allowing space for their own discoveries.
Vishwas takes a moment to reflect on the simple yet profound act of just being present with participants. He explores the transformative potential of genuine presence and its ability to create a safe space for exploration and growth.
In the finale of this episode, Vishwas unveils his holistic philosophy of facilitation, encompassing conditioning, conduct, and consciousness. Drawing inspiration from the story of the Buddha, he underscores the profound significance of active, empathetic listening in the facilitation process.
Prepare to be enlightened, challenged, and inspired as Vishwas Parchure shares his transformative insights and experiences in the world of experiential education. Join us as we conclude our illuminating interview with a deeper understanding of the art of facilitation and its profound impact on learning and growth.
Learn more about Vishwas and the Experiential Leadership Institute - https://www.experiential.institute/
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Join us in the first installment of a captivating two-part interview with the visionary experiential educator, Vishwas Parchure. In this episode, we delve into the very essence of Vishwas' profound work in experiential education and facilitation, gaining insights into his motivations, career-defining moments, and unique perspectives on the art of facilitation.
Vishwas opens up about the driving force behind his commitment to experiential education, revealing the transformative impact it has on participants. Through heartfelt anecdotes, he shares the pivotal moments that have shaped his journey, shedding light on the profound personal experiences that fueled his passion for this remarkable field.
One of the thought-provoking topics discussed is the concept of reflection within experiential learning. Vishwas begins by emphasizing that genuine reflection is a journey owned by the participants, not the facilitator.
As the conversation unfolds, Vishwas shares his belief that facilitation is an art that cannot be taught in the traditional sense and how he creates opportunities for his students to teach themselves.
Whether you're an educator, facilitator, or simply curious about the world of experiential education, this episode promises to ignite your curiosity and challenge your perceptions. Join us for an enriching exploration of Vishwas Parchure's transformative work, as we uncover the wisdom that has driven his impactful career. Stay tuned for Part 2, where we delve even deeper into his insights and experiences.
Watch his AEE Address - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXvXWRrMeg4
Learn more about the Experiential Leadership Institute - https://www.experiential.institute/
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Phil and Chris delve into the question: What reigns supreme, the classic ATC or the innovative GriGri?
Join us as we embark on a comprehensive exploration, comparing and contrasting these two climbing essentials from multiple angles. We break down the pros and cons through the lens of program goals, training strategies, risk assessment, and financial considerations.
Whether you're an adventure educator pondering your next gear upgrade or an avid listener seeking a deeper understanding of belaying essentials, this episode promises to give you experienced opinions on the use of these 2 pieces of belay gear.
Submit your questions to the team;
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Join us in this podcast episode, "The Shared Experience," recorded live at the High 5 Adventure Symposium. Hosted by Phil and featuring a panel of enthusiastic attendees, this engaging session delves into the transformative power of adventure education.
The episode kicks off with an exploration of the profound impact of adventure education on everyday life. Next up, the focus shifts to one of the core aspects of adventure education - encouraging participants to listen actively. The panel discusses various strategies and techniques they employ to create a supportive and open learning environment where individuals feel heard and valued, fostering a genuine sense of connection and growth.
Intriguingly, the discussion then delves into the psychology behind the Dunning-Kruger effect and Imposter Syndrome.
The conversation concludes with valuable tips on how to approach a challenging situation - talking to a supervisor about a disagreement. The participants share their experiences, offering practical advice on maintaining professionalism, articulating concerns effectively, and fostering constructive dialogue in the workplace.
Join us in this episode as we celebrate the power of adventure education and hear from different perspectives as we share our experiences.
Send us your questions - podcast@high5adventure.org
DM on Instragram - @verticalplaypen
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In this episode, join host Phil as he sits down with his long-time friend in the industry, Cam Miller, the Challenge Course and Facilitation Director at Kieve Wavus Education.
Cam takes us back to the roots of his introduction to the world of adventure, recounting the pivotal moments that sparked his passion for pushing boundaries and exploring the great outdoors. Discover what has fueled Cam's commitment to the adventure industry and how his role as Challenge Course and Facilitation Director allows him to make a profound impact on the lives of others.
Of course, it wouldn't be a complete conversation without a little fun! Join Phil and Cam as they draw unexpected parallels between their favorite Final Fantasy characters and their real-life personalities and what characters they would assign each other.
As the episode draws to a close, Cam opens up about the advice he's received throughout his career – the nuggets of wisdom that he holds dear and those that he respectfully disagrees with.
This is an episode packed with camaraderie, and valuable insights for anyone passionate about adventure, facilitation, or simply seeking personal growth.
Connect with Cam - cammiller90@gmail.com
Learn more about Kieve Wavus Education - https://www.kwe.org/
High 5 is Hiring - https://high5adventure.org/about-us/jobs/
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In this episode, Phil is joined by Niels Damman, the Course Services Manager at Experiential Resources (ERI), to delve into the world of challenge course training. Niels brings his experience and expertise to shed light on the pros and potential hurdles associated with trainer credentialing in this field.
Challenge courses have gained immense popularity as powerful tools for team building, personal growth, and experiential learning. However, ensuring the safety and effectiveness of these courses requires skilled and knowledgeable trainers. Phil and Niels discuss the importance of trainer credentialing and how it contributes to maintaining high standards and professionalism within the industry.
They explore the numerous benefits of trainer credentialing, such as enhancing participant safety, ensuring consistent and quality experiences, and building trust with clients and participants.
While trainer credentialing offers significant advantages, the conversation also delves into potential hurdles that may arise during the process. Phil and Niels discuss challenges such as establishing universally recognized standards, addressing the cost and accessibility of training programs, and navigating the evolving landscape of technology and innovation in experiential learning.
Join Phil and Niels as they engage in a thought-provoking discussion on the importance of challenge course training, the benefits of trainer credentialing, and the potential hurdles that the industry faces. Whether you're a professional in the field, an enthusiast, or simply curious about the world of experiential learning, this episode will provide valuable insights into the evolving landscape of challenge course training.
Learn more about ERI - https://www.experientialresources.com/
Connect with Niels - niels@experientialresources.net
High 5 is Hiring - https://high5adventure.org/about-us/jobs/
Level 2 Training - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/multi-day-workshops-and-trainings/products/beyond-basics-level-2-training?_ga=2.4017907.256024607.1689279033-69781410.1683822041
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In this episode Phil and Lisa explore different strategies and techniques that can enhance and deepen our connections with others.
Drawing from their personal experiences, Phil and Lisa shed light on various connection accelerators that have the potential to transform our relationships. They discuss topics such as collective novelty, emotional significance, joy, and the accomplishment of challenging tasks.
They emphasize the importance of sharing our WHY and not just our WHAT, allowing us to forge more authentic and meaningful connections. They also explore the role of choice and autonomy in engagement, highlighting how these factors contribute to building stronger bonds.
They provide practical insights and actionable advice on how to apply these connection accelerators in our everyday lives, helping us navigate both personal and professional relationships more effectively.
Whether you're seeking to enhance your social interactions, strengthen your team dynamics, or cultivate deeper connections with your participants, this episode offers a wealth of inspiration and guidance.
Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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We are joined on the podcast again by Loui McCurley, of PMI ropes and SPRAT (Society of Professional Rope Access Technicians). In this interview, Loui shares her invaluable insights on the critical topic of rescue plans, emphasizing their importance in ensuring the safety of individuals participating in ropes courses and similar activities.
We delve into the essential components of a rescue plan. Loui offers practical advice and guidelines for creating effective rescue plans, highlighting key factors such as risk assessment, emergency procedures, communication protocols, and the significance of ongoing training for staff.
Suspension trauma, a potentially life-threatening condition, also finds its place in our discussion. Loui sheds light on this physiological phenomenon that can occur during a fall arrest situation and explains the detrimental effects it can have on the body. She shares insights on preventive measures and the importance of prompt rescue interventions to mitigate the risks associated with suspension trauma.
Looking to the future, we explore Loui McCurley's perspectives and hopes for the growth of challenge courses and the rope access industry.
Tune in to this captivating conversation with Loui McCurley to gain a deeper understanding of rescue plans, the significance of staff training in ropes courses, the dangers of suspension trauma, and valuable insights into the future of challenge courses and the rope access industry.
Note: SPRAT (Society of Professional Rope Access Technicians) is a non-profit organization that promotes safe rope access work practices, provides certifications, and establishes industry standards.
Learn more about PMI - https://pmirope.com/
Learn more about SPRAT - https://sprat.org/
Connect with Loui - lmccurley@pmirope.com
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In this episode Phil had the privilege of sitting down with Loui McCurley, an expert in fall protection and rope access, CEO of PMI (Pigeon Mountain Industries) and original founder of SPRAT (Society of Professional Rope Access Technicians).
One of the key aspects of fall protection is understanding the distinction between fall positioning, fall arrest, and fall prevention. Loui guides us through these different approaches, illuminating how each method serves a unique purpose in safeguarding individuals working at heights. Loui also delves into the contrasting approaches of active fall protection and passive fall protection.
Clear communication is vital in the realm of fall protection, and Loui emphasizes the importance of using the correct terminology when describing fall protection systems and equipment. She discusses how accurate terminology eliminates confusion and ensures effective communication between professionals, workers, and regulatory bodies, ultimately promoting a safer work environment.
Standards play a pivotal role in fall protection, and Loui highlights their significance in maintaining consistent safety practices. She delves into the process of creating fall protection standards, discussing the key principles that inform their development and implementation. Furthermore, she enlightens us on how these standards principles can be effectively taught to professionals, empowering them to uphold the highest safety standards within their respective industries.
In the world of fall protection, being authorized, competent, and qualified are distinct designations defined by OSHA. Loui explains the nuanced differences between these terms, shedding light on the specific requirements and expectations associated with each. Listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the qualifications and competencies necessary to ensure optimal worker safety and compliance with regulatory guidelines.
Join us for an incredibly informative conversation with Loui McCurley, as we explore the realm of fall protection, its intricacies, and its profound impact on worker safety. Whether you're an industry professional or someone interested in height safety, this episode promises to deepen your understanding of fall protection, leaving you equipped with valuable insights to promote a safer working environment.
Be sure to check out the next episode where we continue the conversation with Loui, this time discussing rescue principles and techniques.
Learn more about PMI - https://pmirope.com/
Learn more about SPRAT - https://sprat.org/
Connect with Loui - lmccurley@pmirope.com
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In this episode Phil is joined by Matt Marcus, the Manager of Adventure Gear and Sales at Challenge Design Innovations. With a wealth of experience and enthusiasm for the adventure industry, Matt takes us on a journey through his career, volunteer work, and his thoughts on the future of adventure education.
One of the highlights of Matt's journey has been his involvement with the Association for Challenge Course Technology (ACCT). We discuss his volunteer work with the ACCT, including his contributions as a board member.
As we peer into the horizon, Matt shares his insightful predictions on the future of the adventure industry. He discusses emerging trends, technological advancements, and the evolving needs of adventure enthusiasts.
We also explore Matt's belief in the importance of media training for adventure educators and facilitators. Recognizing the power of storytelling and effective communication, he discusses how media training can elevate the skills of those in the industry, enabling them to connect with participants on a deeper level and create impactful experiences.
Learn more about Challenge Design Innovations - https://challengedesign.com/
Connect with Matt - mmarcus@challengedesign.com
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Join us on this insightful episode as we sit down with Spud Marshall, a creative community builder and facilitator, to explore the nuances of facilitating and harnessing the power of collective wisdom.
In our conversation, we delve into Spud's personal journey and ask the thought-provoking question: "When have you felt most alone?" Discover how Spud's insights on navigating these feelings of solitude have shaped his approach to community building.
As an introverted facilitator, Spud provides a unique perspective on engaging with others while honoring his own energy. Learn how he leverages his introversion as a strength, allowing him to listen attentively, create safe spaces, and foster deep connections within the communities he serves.
One of the key aspects we explore is tapping into the collective wisdom of groups. Spud shares strategies, techniques, and stories that demonstrate the power of bringing diverse voices together to generate innovative solutions and collective intelligence.
Finally, we dive into the benefits of focusing on long-term outcomes for participants. Spud's experience reveals how nurturing a community's growth and development over time leads to lasting impact and transformation. Gain insights into the ripple effects that can emerge when facilitators prioritize the bigger picture and guide participants towards sustainable growth.
Learn more about Spud - https://mycreative.community/
Connect with Spud - iamspud5@gmail.com
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In this thought-provoking episode, Phil and Lisa unravel the essence of achievement, a realm where goals are often set externally, driven by the expectations and judgments of others versus the realm of accomplishment, where individuals set their own goals based on personal growth and learning. By empowering ourselves to define success and progress on our own terms, we explore how accomplishment provides a more intrinsic and fulfilling motivation.
Drawing connections to the field of adventure education, we explore how educators can inspire and guide learners to cultivate a healthy balance between achievement and accomplishment. We reflect on the importance of encouraging students to set their own goals, fostering a sense of ownership and agency in their learning journeys.
What did this make you consider regarding the way you work with your participants?
Let us know either by email - podcast@high5adventure.org or via instagram - @verticalplaypen
NY Times essay - "What we lose when push our kids to 'Achieve'" by Adam Gopnik - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/opinion/youth-achievement-happiness.html
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In this episode Phil answers the following questions submitted by you, the listeners;
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Is there room for introverts in facilitation?
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How do you stay genuine in a "performancy" profession?
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What is your favorite icebreaker question?
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Best closing to a single day program?
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Most under-appreciated facilitator skill?
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What's something you are bad at and are working on improving?
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What's your process when you have a bad day?
Submit all future questions to - podcast@high5adventure.org or send a message via instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Have you ever jumped into a role with limited experience and had to learn fast?
In this episode, Mike Nelson, formally of Camp Wicosuta, joins Phil and Lisa to discuss;
- Why summer camp?
- How he embraced learning and demonstrated humility in the new role
- What he wished he had known and questions to ask when running an adventure program
- Advice for new adventure program leads.
Connect with Mike - 23nelson@gmail.com
Learn more about Camp Wicosuta - https://www.campwicosuta.com/
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Reflecting is often the part of the facilitation process that can seem the most daunting and challenging. How do you draw the learning from the experiences you create?
In this episode, Phil details the activities and lessons he taught during a recent workshop he led titled "Reflecting Skills and Methods".
- The golden minute of reflection
- Connection as reflection
- How framing activities can make for easier reflection
- How the ABCDE's of problem solving can be used to reflect
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Professional Hockey teams and High 5 have an interesting connection dating back to the 2010-2011 season when we first worked with the Boston Bruins. That season, they went on to win the Stanley Cup!
Since then we have had the privilege to work with the following hockey teams;
- Mannheim Eagles (a team based in Germany)
- New Jersey Devils
- Calgary Flames
One constant with these experiences has been Geoff Ward, who has served in various coaching roles for those teams.
In this episode Phil is joined by Jim Grout (High 5's Founding Director) and Geoff Ward to discuss the last decade of team development work with Hockey teams.
Kyra Richardson (High 5 Trainer) and Ryan McCormick (Edge of Leadership) sit down together to discuss;
- Creating structure out of unstructured time
- Crafting opportunities to develop conversation skills
- Methods that can help conversations start
- Reflection that doesn't feel forced
Learn more about High 5's Edge of Leadership program - https://high5adventure.org/edge-of-leadership/what-is-eol/
Connect with Kyra - krichardson@high5adventure.org
Connect with Ryan - rmccormick@high5adventure.org
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Life is Good. These were the words that hung behind Trevor (Executive Director of Camp Nuhop) as he joined Phil to discuss;
- The experience of growing up at camp
- The benefits of the "swoop"
- Creating community with your staff
- Why "Life is Good"
Learn more about Camp Nuhop - https://nuhop.org/
Connect with Trevor - trevor@nuhop.org
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How does the way we introduce ourselves to our participants impact them?
Lisa asks Phil; "Inspired by a recent episode on Ego, how does how we introduce ourselves to our groups help with the self efficacy model of role models?"
This leads to thoughts on;
- Unachievable targets
- Authenticity and vulnerability
- Being relatable
- Sharing the why and not the what
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High 5’s Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It’s a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We’ve lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you.
Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511
Perry Cohen (Founder and Executive Director of The Venture Out Project) joins Phil to discuss;
- His introduction to High 5 and Adventure Education
- Facilitation values and thoughts
- How The Venture Out Project began and its impact
- How to build a community
- Improving career access in the outdoor industry
Learn more about The Venture Out Project - https://www.ventureoutproject.com/
Connect with Perry - perry@ventureoutproject.com
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High 5’s Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It’s a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We’ve lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you.
Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511
Chris Damboise (High 5's Director of Training) discusses the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) requirements for work at height and the use of full body harnesses as it relates to ropes courses.
You will also hear what steps High 5 is taking with regards to training our participants and clients in the use of full body harnesses.
Additional information can be found following the links below;
https://www.osha.gov/Publications/OSHA3845.pdf ANSI/ASSP Z359.11-2021: Full Body Harnesses Safety Requirements. Full body harnesses we recommend - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/harnesses/products/singing-rock-technic-full-body-harness-ansi Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
High 5’s Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It’s a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We’ve lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you.
Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511
What professional development opportunities can enhance your work as an adventure educator?
In this episode, Phil, Lisa, Chris and Rich (High 5 Trainers) discuss professional development ideas that may not be directly tied to the adventure educator profession yet have aided us in improving our abilities to do our jobs.
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High 5’s Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It’s a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We’ve lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you.
Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511
As facilitators, we often find ourselves planning and leading activities to engage our participants and help them achieve their goals. However, do we need to share the names of these activities with our participants? While it's important to provide clear instructions and objectives for each activity, the name of the activity itself is not always necessary.
So, what is the purpose of activity names? One might argue that activity names serve as a way to categorize and organize different types of activities. However, it's important to remember that not all activities need to fit neatly into certain thematic buckets.
In fact, sometimes activities that are seemingly unrelated can be just as effective in achieving a particular goal. For instance, a fun icebreaker game that has nothing to do with teamwork might actually help break down barriers and create a more relaxed and open atmosphere among participants.
Moreover, activities that are overly prescriptive can actually hinder creativity and limit the potential outcomes. Instead of feeling constrained by the name or description of an activity, facilitators can encourage participants to approach the task with an open mind and think outside the box.
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High 5’s Annual Symposium is a great coming together of adventure professionals who love to have fun, share and learn. It’s a special 1-day event for our community to reconnect, re-energize, and re-engage with our learning and each other! We’ve lined up over 15 workshop sessions, each one offering timely topics, fresh ideas, and creative tools and activities that you can start using immediately in your classroom, challenge course program, workplace, camp, outdoor center - wherever adventure learning takes you.
Register for the Symposium here - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/adventure-practitioners-symposium-1-day?utm_source=copyToPasteBoard&utm_medium=product-links&utm_content=web&_ga=2.255767051.2090452263.1678733796-1154500371.1670878511
In this episode Phil and Lisa discuss two topics related to professionalism: the misconception that wearing sunglasses can make someone appear less capable as a facilitator and the complexities of clothing and professionalism.
We challenge the assumption about sunglasses and talk about how biases can shape perceptions of competence and authority. Tune in to challenge assumptions and navigate what it means to be a professional.
Trevor Noah discussing professional work atire - https://youtu.be/2Qn9d5rrEhk
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In this episode, Phil delves into the problem of ego in trainers and educators, where this might come from and the impact it can have on their ability to teach effectively.
We also hear from High 5's Founding Director Jim Grout as he tells a story that highlights the problem that ego can have on those who teach.
Phil then explores the idea that simply having years of experience or putting in long hours does not necessarily result in competency.
In this episode, Phil brings you insights from the recent Association for Challenge Course Technology conference. Here are his five key takeaways:
- People from all over the world attended the conference, and the connections made are incredibly valuable.
- Highlights from the 2 workshops that he presented.
- What Portland was like?....spoiler...we never really left the conference area!
- The importance of what makes a qualified course professional was discussed at length, emphasizing the need for a rigorous curriculum, experienced instructors and the need to share and collaborate.
- We are excited to bring you interviews with some of the new folks we met at the conference.
Find out more about the KYOOB - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/kyoob
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In this episode, we explore the art of balancing group dynamics and safety when belaying on a ropes course while also respecting the participants awareness of tasks that are purely for behavior management.
Notes from Lisa Hunt. This exchange happened somewhere back around 2001, and I wrote it up shortly thereafter with Ken’s input:
The question of how to engage the most number of students at a time on a challenge course is one that is often raised in workshops. A common approach is involving people (students) in the tasks of operations to “keep them busy.” Years ago, my co-leader during a workshop differentiated these tasks as “real jobs” and “fake jobs,” and challenged participants to consider the implications of both on student behavior and growth, as well as program quality over all.
That co-leader is Ken Demas, Veteran Physical Education teacher, former Project Adventure Trainer, coach, Board Chair at NYSAHPERD, Coordinator of Adventure and an Associate Prof. at Hofstra University – an important mentor to me. That conversation has come with me to so many subsequent workshops, and I wanted to go back to the source to hear more about Ken’s experience and thoughts. He has generously expanded this question here:
Fake Jobs—Real Jobs:
As you may recall, one of the things I did for about 16-17 years, was to act as a consultant for NY Insurance Reciprocal. One of the adventure cases I reviewed involved too many spotters, not too few. In an effort to involve more students at low elements, teachers would over involve students in spotting jobs. One case in particular occurred at the rear of the “Wall”. The teacher had used it as the culminating activity for the low element portion of the adventure unit. Because the entire class was involved, the teacher had placed 6 spotters at the ladder at the rear of the Wall. When a student started to descend, she missed the step and fell backwards. Everyone was responsible and at the same time no one was responsible. No one moved. Too crowded?? Not engaged?? Not important enough??
Too many involved and therefore not a REAL JOB. Students need to be invested in the job. See a real need for it. Understand that what they are doing is important to the success and safety of the individual or individuals involve. Too many spotters diminishes the significance of what they are doing.
With this concept in mind, we fall into the same problem when we assemble a belay team. A belayer, a back-up and when needed, an anchor should be more than adequate to manage a climber. My least favorite bogus job is that of rope tender. I fully understand that it might look like a real job, but the kids know it is not. Has anyone taught the rope handler how to coil the rope or flake it out so that when the climber descends it does not foul in the hands of the belayer? Probably not. Couldn’t the back-up do this job if taught properly?
The use of the Australian Back-up Belay involve kids in Real Jobs. The facilitator as a ropes course manager, can engage more students in a meaningful way. Properly trained belayers can determine whether or not the need an anchor. What weight differential is needed? How does their position, whether near or far, alter the shear on the belay system and therefore alter resistance. Make the job more than that of a counter weight. When the manager has competently train belayers, they have the opportunity to open more activities and thus engage more students.
A good technique I used, required that student to make journal entries right after completing a climb. Belayers were also encouraged to make entries during class.
Course design should be considered. I mixed Australian with traditional belays. Grigri set-up with competent kids and teams and I would belay Pamper pole events. I was always positioned to see and control whichever elements were being used. Some folks might find this overwhelming. But, my department at the middle school found that it worked.
Note from Lisa:
Ken Demas passed away in May of 2017. He was a “once in a lifetime” kind of mentor. At his memorial service, I met so many people who saw him in that same light. He is deeply missed, and his adventuresome spirit and his questions of me continue to help me grow.
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In this episode, we delve into some fundamentals of belaying.
We cover the importance of maintaining a good belay stance, keeping both hands on the brake strand of the rope at all times, and enhancing your lowering techniques.
Good belaying is the cornerstone of climbing safety, and a solid understanding of these basic principles can make a big difference in both your facilitator experience and your participant's sense of security.
Whether you're a seasoned belayer or just starting out, this episode is packed with valuable information and practical tips to help you belay with confidence.
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How often do you get the opportunity to co-facilitate during your programs?
This is the topic of discussion in this episode, with Phil joined by colleagues Anne-Louise, Ryan, Chris and Lisa.
What started as a question about how we learned to facilitate turned into a discussion on the benefits of co-facilitating and how that has had such an impact on our abilities over the years.
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Here is part 2 of the conversation between Phil and Steve Woods. In this episode the following was discussed;
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How long trainings should last
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Thoughts on protecting the trainees
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How to assess trainee competency
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Facilitated programming vs commercialism
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Measuring program success
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The British belay technique with a catchy name.
Learn more about Vertex - https://www.vertex-training.co.uk/
Join the High 5 Training Team - https://high5adventure.org/job/full-time-adventure-educator-trainer/
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What are the differences between being a trainer in the US vs the UK?
This was a question submitted to me by one of our listeners, so we reached out to Steve Woods, the Technical Director at Vertex Instructor Training, which is based in England, to see what differences and what similarities there are between us.
This is a 2 part episode and in this part we discuss -
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Training newer practitioners
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Growing in the industry thanks to influential facilitators
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What is the essential component of a successful training
Learn more about Vertex - https://www.vertex-training.co.uk/
Join the High 5 Training Team - https://high5adventure.org/job/full-time-adventure-educator-trainer/
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What are the pros and cons to repeating activities?
How do you handle participants who have experienced the activities before?
These questions (and more) and discussed in this episode and Phil, Lisa, Chris and Jim discuss activity repetition.
Tinker Book - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/books-digital-resources/products/tinker-building-purposeful-experiences-from-classic-adventure-activities
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What are some of the elements that are important to consider when modifying activities for your participants?
Guest Host Rich Keegan chats with his friend and past colleague Jeff Dutko to discuss this very topic.
Jeff has worked for many years at the Gengras Center - find more information here - https://www.gengrascenter.org/
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Hiring staff for summer camp can be a constant struggle. New thoughts and strategies should be considered.
Phil and Greg (formally of the Mayhew program) sit down to discuss their thoughts on;
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Creating a culture that encourages staff retention
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Training staff
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Staff hiring pitfalls
This was originally recorded in the winter of 2019
Connect with Greg - gregorystoutzenberger@gmail.com
Learn more about the Mayhew Program -https://www.mayhew.org/
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How do you end your program, training or workshop?
The Training Team (Phil, Rich, Chris and Lisa) discuss how they end a program or workshop with a group.
Saying goodbye, closing activities and when to reflect with the group.
Donate here - https://high5adventure.org/donate/
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Outro music - Hold My Hand by They Dream By Day
What do you do at the very start of your program, training or workshop?
In this episode members of our training team (Phil, Rich, Chris and Lisa) discuss how they begin a program or workshop with a group.
Activities that set the tone, strategies to connect with the group early on and coping with awkward silences.
Priya Parker Ted Talk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppfONdsOkWI
Donate here - https://high5adventure.org/donate/
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Play brings us joy and is an essential component of experiential learning. In this episode Phil discusses the 4 primary neurochemicals that elicit happiness; Endorphins, Dopamine, Serotonin and Oxytocin, as well as activities that you can use with your participants to help participants experience them. Disclaimer: Phil is not a neuroscientist.
Donate here - https://high5adventure.org/donate/
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Intro music - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
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If you were not limited by time, what problem solving activity would you like to lead?
Today's featured activity with no time constraints - The Pond Traverse
The traverse is an activity featured in High 5's Edge of Leadership summer program that really embodies the concept of problem solving.
Phil is joined by Anne Louise Wagner, and 2 past participants, Martha Lavigne from Keene High School and her former student Meagan McLaughlin to discuss their shared experiences.
Donate here - https://high5adventure.org/donate/
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Intro music - Future is Now by FLYIN
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Hanne joins Phil to discuss;
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Her road to working at High 5
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Training philosophy and what she says at the start of a workshop
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How ducks are cute
Be sure to stick around to the end for a great fish joke.
Kyoob - https://store.high5adventure.org/products/kyoob?_pos=1&_sid=15975c890&_ss=r
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Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
When you experience 40 years of adventure programming you accumulate many impactful moments with special individuals.
In part 2 of our conversation with Doug, we hear about;
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Creating ropes course elements and well known activities with Karl Rohnke
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Polar dips in honor of beloved facilitators
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Mountaineering experiences that test abilities to recognize risk and acknowledge struggle.
Ubuntu Cards - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/ubuntu-cards
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Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
There are so many opportunities within the 4 walls of the classroom for experiential learning.
That is the overarching message behind this episode.
Guest Host, Rich Keegan, sits down with Doug Cramphin, longtime facilitator and educator to discuss;
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Bringing adventure and experiential education into the classroom
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Using experiential education to teach about the civil war.
Tinker Book - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/books-digital-resources/products/tinker-building-purposeful-experiences-from-classic-adventure-activities
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Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
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When was the last time you attended a professional training?
Recently, Tom Leahy (Leahy & Associates) joined us at High 5 for a Level 2 Training led by Phil and during the week they found time to discuss;
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His start in the industry and those that inspired him.
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An alternative perspective on comfort zones.
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Advice for those wanting a career in adventure education.
Connect with Tom - tom@leahy-inc.com
ROAM Storage Case - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/equipment-storage/products/roam-adventure-co-rugged-casses
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Song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
Facilitation has the possibility of opening doors to global travel and connections.
In this episode, Steve Ockerbloom sits down with guest host Rich Keegan to discuss;
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His memorable experiences facilitation around the world
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Advice for professionals wanting to expand their facilitation work
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His thoughts on the industry at large.
Connect with Steve -info@creativehorizonstraining.com
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Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
How do we lead people of all generations more effectively?
This is one of the questions Jerrod Murr tackles in his soon to be released new book - From 8 Track to Emoji - The Secret To Cross Generational Leadership
In this episode Jerrod joins Phil to discuss;
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How love and passion informs his work
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What brought him into the experiential learning world
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The genesis of the book and what we can learn from reading it
Find more about Jerrod and the book - jerrodmurr.co
Learn about Paradigm Shift - paradigmshiftleadership.com
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Do you operate an adventure program in a school? Are you interested in beginning one?
Mark Friedrich (Milburn High School) joins Phil to discuss;
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Running an Adventure Program in a school
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How to manage short class times (43mins)
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His 8 week curriculum
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Methods to incorporate the larger school community into the program
Want to reach out to Mark, heres how;
Email - mark.friedrich@millburn.org
Twitter: @AdventureEdGuy
Instagram: adventure.ed.guy
TikTok: @adventureedguy
Youtube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzNKXdBkHSqe6UqaBXwObzg
Ubuntu Cards - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/facilitation-tools/products/ubuntu-cards
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
Do you operate an adventure program in a school? Are you interested in beginning one?
Mark Friedrich (Milburn High School) joins Phil to discuss;
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Running an Adventure Program in a school
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How to manage short class times (43mins)
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His 8 week curriculum
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Methods to incorporate the larger school community into the program
Want to reach out to Mark, heres how;
Email - mark.friedrich@millburn.org
Twitter: @AdventureEdGuy
Instagram: adventure.ed.guy
TikTok: @adventureedguy
Youtube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzNKXdBkHSqe6UqaBXwObzg
Ubuntu Cards - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/facilitation-tools/products/ubuntu-cards
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
Phil, Sam and Jamie sit around a table at High 5 HQ and answer questions about themselves and play "This or That".
Ubuntu Cards - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/ubuntu-cards
Submit any questions you have to either;
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Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
Phil, Sam and Jamie sit around a table at High 5 HQ and answer questions about themselves and play "This or That".
Ubuntu Cards - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/ubuntu-cards
Submit any questions you have to either;
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Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
Do you find learning names challenging? Especially when you are leading a 1-day program?
In this "Listener Question" episode, Phil gives 2 ideas on how he learns names during shorter programs.
Adventure Basics Training - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/multi-day-workshops-and-trainings/products/adventure-basics-level-1-training?_ga=2.88191451.15375352.1662925267-1772421505.1613053803
Submit any questions you have to either;
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Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
Do you find learning names challenging? Especially when you are leading a 1-day program?
In this "Listener Question" episode, Phil gives 2 ideas on how he learns names during shorter programs.
Adventure Basics Training - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/multi-day-workshops-and-trainings/products/adventure-basics-level-1-training?_ga=2.88191451.15375352.1662925267-1772421505.1613053803
Submit any questions you have to either;
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Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson
Do you struggle with encouraging reluctant participants to participate?
In this Listener Question episode, Phil addresses this topic and discusses;
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Creating Engaging agendas
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Being aware of activity types
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Giving participants purposeful roles
Spot markers - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/props-throwables/products/spot-markers
Reach out to Phil either via Instagram - @verticalplaypen
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Do you struggle with encouraging reluctant participants to participate?
In this Listener Question episode, Phil addresses this topic and discusses;
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Creating Engaging agendas
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Being aware of activity types
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Giving participants purposeful roles
Spot markers - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/props-throwables/products/spot-markers
Reach out to Phil either via Instagram - @verticalplaypen
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Join Phil and Rich as they travel together for a training. So many great conversations go unrecorded when traveling for work so in this episode we had a microphone ready as we discussed;
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Best and Worst Traveling stories
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A couple of canadian misadventures
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The luxuries of airtravel 30 years ago
Reach out to Phil either via Instagram - @verticalplaypen
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Join Phil and Rich as they travel together for a training. So many great conversations go unrecorded when traveling for work so in this episode we had a microphone ready as we discussed;
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Best and Worst Traveling stories
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A couple of canadian misadventures
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The luxuries of airtravel 30 years ago
Reach out to Phil either via Instagram - @verticalplaypen
email - podcast@high5adventure.org
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Are you looking for a career in the adventure industry?
One of the main driving reasons for creating the podcast was to highlight the many ways that people have found careers in the adventure industry.
This summer Phil wrote an article for Adventure Park Insider (API) titled "Mapping Career Paths".
In this episode Phil reads the article while using the voices of those professionals featured in the article.
Subscribe to API - https://adventureparkinsider.com/subscribe-to-the-adventure-park-insider-magazine/
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Article song - At First Light by Gavin Luke
This episode has very little educational value, but should, at the very least, put a smile on your face!
You can be the judge of who in this episode has the talent.
Featured are;
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Ella singing "A little seed"
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Phil singing "Pure Imagination"
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Sam Hunt - instrumental performance
Ubuntu Cards - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/ubuntu-cards
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Newer facilitators (understandably) rely on bags full of props when facilitating programs....I certainly did.
In this episode Phil and Ryan discuss;
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the value of enhancing your facilitation skills
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the importance of avoiding becoming too reliant on props
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using props in deeper ways
Tinker Book - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/tinker-building-purposeful-experiences-from-classic-adventure-activities
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Poor gear storage can lead to;
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Replacing damaged gear
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Lack of professionalism
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Participants who are now less likely to climb
In this episode Phil shares his recommendations for gear storage.
ROAM Storage Case - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/equipment-storage/products/roam-adventure-co-rugged-casses
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Summer Camp Training season recently wrapped up for our training team.
In this episode, Phil shares his 5 big takeaways.
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Practice makes progress
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Belay stance is so important
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Lighter belayer/heavier climber
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Prior knowledge isn't always a good thing
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Where is the gear?
Link to Tinker - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/tinker-building-purposeful-experiences-from-classic-adventure-activities
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Song - Future is Now by FLYIN
Do we adequately prepare our participants for struggle and frustration on the ropes course?
It's a challenge course, not a success course, after all.
In this episode, Phil, Lisa and Rich talk about facilitating struggle, share stories of struggle and give some activity ideas that you can use with your next group.
Referenced in this episode are 2 blog posts;
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The Struggle is Real - https://high5adventure.org/the-struggle-is-real/
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A Force to Be Reckoned With: The Helium Hoop - https://high5adventure.org/a-force-to-be-reckoned-with-the-helium-hoop/
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Song - It's Real by Blake Everett
Parachute Cords (aka P-cords) are an essential feature of a ropes course, as they are what you use to set your ropes up and take them down at the end of the day.
They can also be the MOST ANNOYING part of facilitating on a course as they can get tangled in everything they touch, and can also be the reason for having to perform a gear retrieval.
In this episode, Phil and Rich discuss all things parachute cord on your course!
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Song - Be My Parachute by Basixx, Mia Pfirrman
As a full-time adventure education trainer, travel is a part of the work.
Traveling can be full of great experiences but it also features a lot of time in cars and hotels.
In this episode, Phil details 2 of those car/hotel experiences and also shares a recent mistake and reminder that he had during this summer travel season.
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Song - Memorabilia by Phello
Do you feel anxious before facilitating programs?
Our training team collectively says an emphatic yes!
This episode is a re-release of a conversation we recorded a couple of years ago, sharing our anxiety experiences and giving some tips on how we overcome them.
Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
Song - Anxiety by Mindme
Over the years, we all make mistakes.
However, we are often too embarrassed to bring them up because of the possibility of being negatively judged.
It is through these mistakes though that we learn and by sharing them with others we can help prevent them from making the same ones.
In this episode, Phil and Rich will be sharing some of the mistakes they have made over the years, with 2 main goals;
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Help you learn from their mistakes
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Role-model the vulnerability that comes from sharing those mistakes.
If you would like to share a mistake you have made for the benefit of your fellow listener, consider letting us know either by;
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Sending a message via Instagram - @verticalplaypen
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Emailing podcast@high5adventure.org
How do you prepare to present at conferences?
In this episode, Phil and Rich Keegan discuss;
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How to come up with conference workshops
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How to submit workshops
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How to prepare for presenting the workshops
Follow @verticalplaypen on Instagram
Email questions or comments to podcast@high5adventure.org
What contributes to a psychologically UNSAFE learning environment?
In this episode (Part 2) Phil, Lisa and Romy discuss;
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The power of evaluative words
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Mining for opposite experiences
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Making yourself equally accessible to all participants
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Our own psychological safety
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Managing participants that negatively impact the psychological safety of the group
Connect with Romy - romy@romy-alexandra.com
Learn more about Romy - http://www.romy-alexandra.com/
How can we create psychologically safe learning environments for our participants?
In Part 1 of this 2 part episode, Phil, Lisa Hunt and Romy Alexandra discuss;
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What is a psychologically safe learning environment?
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How, using 4 animals, you can identify the needs of your group
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Role-modeling vulnerability and asking for feedback during a program.
Connect with Romy - romy@romy-alexandra.com
Learn more about Romy - http://www.romy-alexandra.com/
This episode, inspired by the Multi-stage fitness test (PACER or beep test), brings in Phil to become a guest facilitator for your program.
Phil guides your participants through 3 different opening activities, providing you with framing ideas and reflection prompts.
Activity 1 - Jump In Jump Out - 3:00 - 12:40
Activity 2 - Alternative Introductions - 12:50 - 22:50
Activity 3 - The Wright Family Vacation - 23:00 - 27:10
Be sure to let us know if this type of episode is valuable and you would like to see more.
Follow us @verticalplaypen on Instagram.
This phrase describes both our work as Experiential educators but it is also a large part of Bryn's pathway in this industry.
In this episode, Bryn Lottig (co-founder of Kikori) talks to Phil about;
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The transformational power of working in the outdoors and its effects on her
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The need for this educational pedagogy to be taken seriously
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The best advice she has recieved in her career so far
Connect with Bryn - bryn@kikoriapp.com
Learn more about Kikori - https://www.kikoriapp.com/
Do connection activities actually help our participants connect?
This was the topic of discussion in this live recorded episode of the podcast.
It was recorded while attending the BOOST (Best Out-Of-School Time) 2022 Conference
The contributors in this conversation;
Phil Brown - @verticalplaypen
Sam Copland - scopland@high5adventure.org
Ian Hockley - ian@dylanswingsofchange.org
ElizaBeth Phillips - cerphillips@gmail.com
Peter Silvius - psilvius@seguin.k12.tx.us
Activities used were introduced to me by Jan Keck - you can find more about Jan here - https://www.jankeck.com/
This is a short update episode to let you know that VPP will be on the road!
Phil will be bringing his microphones with him this busy training season to learn more about the life of a trainer and to interact with the diversity of people he meets along the way.
If you would like to submit questions he should ask folks on his journey, you can submit them via instagram - @verticalplaypen.
Have a great spring and summer everyone!
Josh Nadzam (Co-founder of On The Move Art Studio) joins Phil to discuss;
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Discovering the power of facilitation
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Growing as a facilitator
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Facilitating dialogue sessions and why it is so novel
Learn more about Josh - https://www.joshnadzam.com/
Learn more about On the Move - https://www.onthemoveartstudio.org/home.html
Email Josh - joshnadzam@gmail.com
Joe Hirsch (Ted X Speaker and Author of "The Feedback Fix) joins Phil to discuss;
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The qualities of positive and negative feedback
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Moving from a feedback to a feedforward mindset
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The feedback wrap
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How we can empower our participants and colleagues using feedback
Connect with Joe - joe@joehirsch.me
Learn more about Joe's work - https://joehirsch.me/
Myriam Hadnes (workshops.work) joins Phil to discuss;
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The importance of leaders role modeling vulnerability
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The work before the work, assessing the needs of your clients
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Why doing things you have never done before can enhance your facilitation skills
Connect with Myriam - myriam@workshops.work
Learn more about Myriam's work - http://workshops.work/
The training team gather to discuss;
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Facilitating a 1-day challenge course experience
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Facilitating a multi-day challenge course experience
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Advice on challenge course programming
How to contact us:
Phil Brown - pbrown@high5adventure.org OR @verticalplaypen on Instagram
Chris Damboise - cdamboise@high5adventure.org
Lisa Hunt - lhunt@high5adventure.org
Hanne Bailey - hbailey@high5adventure.org
Rich Keegan - rkeegan@high5adventure.org
The Training team discuss;
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What is a challenge course?
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What's in a name? Challenge, high, ropes?
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The history of challenge courses
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Our memories of our 1st ever challenge course experiences.
Madeline Brooks (Executive Director - OnBelay) joins Phil to discuss;
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Her introduction to the world of adventure education
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How to create safe and trusting environments for those impacted by cancer
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The work of OnBelay and how you are able to support that work
Find out more about OnBelay - https://www.on-belay.org/
Donate - https://www.on-belay.org/donate/
Connect with Madeline - madeline@on-belay.org
Andrew Florence (Director of Experiential Learning at Crossnore Communities for Children) joins Phil to discuss;
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Holiday Traditions and how he entered this industry
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Trauma Informed Facilitation and the bringing adventure and experiential programming to Crossnore
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The alchemy of facilitation and trying to find your voice in this industry
Learn more about Crossnore Communities for Children - https://www.crossnore.org/
Connect with Andrew - aflorence@crossnore.org
Join the Training Team!! - https://high5adventure.org/job/full-time-adventure-educator-trainer/
In this episode, the Training team discuss;
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Training and preparing your participants to belay
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Your role during this process
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Advice on ensuring you and your participants are ready to belay
How to contact us:
Phil Brown - pbrown@high5adventure.org OR @verticalplaypen on Instagram
Chris Damboise - cdamboise@high5adventure.org
Lisa Hunt - lhunt@high5adventure.org
Hanne Bailey - hbailey@high5adventure.org
Rich Keegan - rkeegan@high5adventure.org
Join the Training Team!! - https://high5adventure.org/job/full-time-adventure-educator-trainer/
The Training Team gather to discuss;
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What is Belaying?
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What does the word mean?
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What are the foundational principles of good belay?
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The recommended method of belaying?
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Trainer tips that help improve belayers techniques
Reach out the training team for more information on how to belay.
Instagram - @verticalplaypen
Join the Training Team!! - https://high5adventure.org/job/full-time-adventure-educator-trainer/
Mark Suroviec (WorkPlay Solutions) joins Phil to discuss;
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Finding joy in creating team experiences
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The right time to try a new activity
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Staying curious in our industry
Learn more about Mark - workplaysolutions.com
Listen to his podcast - WorkPlay Solutions Podcast
Connections before Content - Virtual Workshop - Thursday March 10th - 3:30 - 5:00pm EST
Register here - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/virtual-workshops
Coupon Code at Checkout - ConnectionsBOGO
Kirsten Locke (Koala Tree) joins Phil to discuss;
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Being an Arborist and the supportive world of arboriculture
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Living life adventurously and asking for help along the way
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Protecting your body using mobility and strength training
Learn more about Kirsten at her Instagram - @brave.roots
Learn more about Koala Tree - koalatree.ca
Scott Catucci (Associate Director - Outdoor Education / Student Development at Syracuse University) joins Phil to discuss;
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Volunteering for AEE
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Experiential Learning through music
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Esports and Video games relationship to experiential learning
Learn more about Syracuse's Recreation programs - https://www.syracuse.edu/life/recreation/
Connect with Scott - sacatucc@syr.edu
Phil recently attempted to ski for the 1st time. In the process he reflected on 4 things that he noticed about being a new learner;
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Having patience for the speed of how you learn
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The more details shared the better
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The effect the environment has on your learning
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A word that should stay away from learning environments
In this episode we discuss;
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The importance of having a staff training plan
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In-house and professional training and in-house refresher training
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Why having accurate job descriptions can help
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Supervisor participation in trainings
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Training documentation
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Team development benefits
Brad Moskowitz (Professor at Northern Vermont University) joins Phil to discuss;
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Outdoor career paths for graduating students
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Seasonal work and the need for a societal shift regarding outdoor adventure.
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Facilitation fails and what we can learn from them.
Connect with Brad;
Email - brad.moskowitz@northernvermont.edu
Learn more about Northern Vermont University's Outdoor Education degree program
https://www.northernvermont.edu/degree-programs/outdoor-education/
In this episode we take a deeper look into the field of Adventure Education and discuss;
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The definition of Adventure and Adventure Education
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Adventure Education outcomes
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Adventure Education processes
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The difference between Learning and Education
Phil and Lisa discuss a question submitted by Meg Bolger.
"How do you teach a new facilitator to read your group?"
If you are planning on attending the ACCT conference in Cleveland (Feb 2022) then consider joining us for our pre-con "A Critical Look at Core Concepts".
Phil is joined by President Emeritus of the Global Organization of Tree Climbers, Harv Teitelbaum to discuss;
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What recreational tree climbing is and what it provides those who climb.
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What 1st drew him into the world of tree climbing and how you can find tree climbing trainers near you.
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The importance of educating our participants about trees and the natural world that we work in.
You can learn more about tree climbing by visiting their website - gotreeclimbing.org and/or by emailing them at info@gotreeclimbing.org
In Part 2 of The Shared Experience, the group answers the following 2 questions;
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How has the "Great Resignation" affected our industry?
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How has the past 2 years influenced the way that we interact with our participants?
Contributors to this episode were;
Lisa Hunt - High 5 Trainer
Danielle Chevalier - Field's of Recovery
Hutch Hutchinson - Boston University
Laura Baird - Polk County Recreation
Sam Steiger - Minnesota State University, Mankato
Dan Miller - Fifth Pillar Consulting
John Losey - IntoWisdom Group
David Maskell - Somerset College
Arman Rajput - Ontario
The Shared Experience was a session Phil hosted at the International Association for Experiential Education (AEE) Conference.
Those who attended had the opportunity to ask questions and as a collective group we answered those questions utilizing their shared experience.
The questions asked;
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How do you prepare to facilitate a program?
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What is your go-to activity to make people laugh?
The contributors were;
Lisa Hunt - High 5 Trainer
Danielle Chevalier - Field's of Recovery
Hutch Hutchinson - Boston University
Laura Baird - Polk County Recreation
Sam Steiger - Minnesota State University, Mankato
Dan Miller - Fifth Pillar Consulting
Hanne Bailey - High 5 Trainer
John Losey - IntoWisdom Group
Kellie Donajkowski - Texas State University
Jim Grout (High 5's Executive Director) joins Phil to talk about a concept that originates from the book "Legacy" by James Kerr; Sweeping the Shed. This has become an essential part at the core of High 5's work in Leadership Development.
Megan Meinen (UVM Outdoor Programs) joins Phil to discuss;
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Finding a career in outdoor programming
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Advice for emerging professionals
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The importance of mentorship in our industry
Chip Wood returns to VPP, this time joined by Phil Brown, Jim Grout, Beth Buoro and Anne Louise Wagner. Today's discussion revolves around relational trust, a concept based on relationships in schools between teachers and students, with other teachers, with parents and principals.
In this bonus episode of the podcast, Phil reflects upon the last 4 days of the AEE (Association for Experiential Education) International Conference. Topics discussed are;
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The Virtual Conference format
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Workshop takeaways
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The value of connecting with this community
Find more about AEE - aee.org
In this episode, Chip Wood joins host Phil Brown and High 5's Executive Director, Jim Grout, to discuss;
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His background in child development and education
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The compatibility between his work, Adventure Education and Leadership Development
Phil tells the story of a near miss when lowering a participant on a Climbing Wall.
This is the first in a series of stories that will help you learn what not to do (and what to do) thanks to the experiences of others.
If you have a story you would like to share let us know by emailing us - podcast@high5adventure.org or message us on Instagram - @verticalplaypen.
Ryan, Anne Louise, Phil and Lisa talk about;
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Role modeling vulnerability and its importance in creating a space for emotions to shared.
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Effective strategies and facilitation techniques for discussing emotions with your participants.
Anne-Louise guest hosts an interview with Ryan McCormick and Mike Anderson as they discuss;
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The importance of what we say and how it matters in the classroom.
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Communication skills
Find more about Mike: www.leadinggreatlearning.com
This episode is an invitation to listen in on a conversation between Lisa Hunt (Manager of Team Development) and Ryan McCormick (Edge of Leadership Director) as they discuss;
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Problem Solving
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Activity Selection
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Advice for educators on how to adapt activities
We made it! Another milestone moment for the podcast! 100 episodes!
In this special 100th episode Phil takes us on a journey recalling past moments of the podcast that stand out to him. These include;
- Examples of recording in the car
- Inspirational challenge course and facilitation stories
- A sample of jokes that keep the episodes fun
- The signature sign-off “Thanks for listening…” from Ella, Phil’s daughter
Thanks to all of the community of listeners for listening and guests who have so generously shared!
Tre Gammage joins Phil to discuss;
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His work with SEL and how he started in the education
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Why teaching educators about SEL is so important
tregammage.com
seleducators.com
Jill Vialet (Founder of Playworks) joins Phil to discuss her new book; Why Play Works - Big Changes Start Small. In this conversation Jill shares;
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Her introduction to play and how she forged a career in this industry
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A story about a colleague interacting with a school that didn't have recess
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How the research supports the importance of play
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The activity that she often ends her programs with.
Find out more about Playworks - playworks.org
Find out more about Jill - jillvialet.com
Tom Percival (author of Ruby Finds a Worry) joins Phil to discuss;
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Writing children's books that focus on emotions
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What inspired him to write them
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The importance of role modeling vulnerability.
Find more about Tom - tom-percival.com
Mark Flynn (formally of UCONN and the Four Arrows Challenge Course Program) joins Phil to discuss:
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His unusual entry into the industry
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How important and transferable facilitation skills are for students
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Facilitation Tools vs Props
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How language and context matters in our industry
Contact Mark - mflynn86@gmail.com
In this episode Phil answers some listener questions;
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When do you NOT do warm up or icebreaker activities?
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Is there a game you've recently revived and love to play?
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Advice and things we wish we would have known before starting a new job in the industry.
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ATC vs GRIGRI
Submit any questions you may have to podcast@high5adventure.org or DM on instagram @verticalplaypen
Brian (President and Founder of Adventureworks, and also the 2021 ACCT Critical Link Award Recipient), joins Phil to share;
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His introduction to the world of Adventure Programming
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His perspective on the growth of the industry and changes coming to ACCT
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Advice to emerging professionals in the industy
Find more at - adventureworks.org
Micheal and Kyle (Social Play Club - thesocialplayclub.com) join Phil to share:
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Their introduction to creating immersive social experiences
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How they facilitate their social play club on Clubhouse
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Tips on facilitating when participants join midway through a program
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Their favorite activity to use in an audio-only setting
Jeff Harry (rediscoveryourplay.com) joins Phil to discuss;
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Favorite kid's TV shows
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How to bring play into the workplace
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The benefits that adding play can do for team culture.
In this episode Phil answers some listener questions;
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How do you experientially create norms without sitting down and just writing a list?
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What are some trends in our industry you hope will not continue?
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Pudding vs. Jello?
If you have a question for Phil submit them to;
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podcast@high5adventure.org
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DM on Instagram - @verticalplaypen
Gary Ware (Breakthroughplay.com) joins Phil to talk about;
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His 1st experiences of learning through play.
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How he brings meaning through play.
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What Improv can teach us about play and facilitating play
Clint McCarthy (Associate Professor of Outdoor Education, SUNY Adirondack) chats with Chris Damboise about lessons learned as a younger professional, what students can expect when joining the SUNY program and the impact SUNY Adirondack aims to have in their community.
Brett Johnson, the new owner of Ipswich Town Football Club, joins Phil to discuss why connecting with the supporters matters, qualities of good leadership that are important to him and how empowering your staff makes all the difference.
In 2005, Mr. Johnson founded and is the CEO of Benevolent Capital (www.benevolentcapital.com), a family office with investments in professional sports teams, real estate, private equity and venture capital. The current portfolio includes Ipswich Town Football Club, Phoenix Rising FC, FC Helsingor, Tucson FC, USL Rhode Island, TerraCycle, Athletic Brewing, Oura Ring, Damon Motorcycles, Thrasio, NYC Office Suites, Octagon Partners, and ArcherDX (acquired by NASDAQ: NVTA).
Mike Cardus joins Phil to discuss how Experiential Education informs his work in Organizational Development, how the front loading of activities needs to be adapted when working with corporate audiences and how having hundreds of hula hoops at home can affect how your job is perceived by others.
Mike has focused expertise in team building, managerial-leadership, and organization development. Frequently asked to create solutions to address the development of high-performance teams, retention of talent, the innovation of product and profit streams, group conflict, coaching of leaders, developing systems to drive positive behaviors, and development of knowledge to increase organizational and personal effectiveness. Working primarily with teams and management within these organizations, his role has been honed to coach, counsel, facilitate and conduct focused group work.
Learn more about Mike - mikecardus.com
Phil joins Phil to discuss qualities that he admires in leaders, why Soccer is truly the "beautiful game" and how it models leadership and life lessons.
Phil is the co-host of the How Soccer Explains Leadership podcast and you can find it anywhere podcasts are found as well as their website - howsoccerexplainsleadership.com
Jan Keck joins Phil to discuss how he was introduced to the world of Experiential Learning, what he has learned over the last year about virtual facilitation and how to ask deep and meaningful questions.
Learn more about Jan - jankeck.com
In this episode aimed answering your questions, Phil read out some of the podcast reviews and answered the following questions;
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Is there room for introverts in facilitation?
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How do you stay genuine in a "performancy" profession?
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What is your favorite icebreaker question?
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Best closing to a single day program?
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Most under-appreciated facilitator skill?
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What's something you are bad at and are working on improving?
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What's your process when you have a bad day?
Submit all future questions to - podcast@high5adventure.org
In this episode, guests David Christian PhD (Assistant Professor of Counselor Education, University of Arkansas) and Danny McCarty PhD (Assistant Professor of Clinical Mental Health Counseling, University of South Alabama) discuss;
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Adventure Therapy
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Adlerian Theory
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Their article - "Using an Adventure Therapy Activity to Assess the Adlerian Lifestyle."
Links to the article and more can be found at our website - high5adventure.org/podcast
This was a live audience episode recorded for the 2021 Virtual BOOST (Best of out-of-school time) Conference. Phil was joined by High 5 Trainer Rich Keegan, Justin McGlamery who is founder and Chief Locus Focuser for Focus Your Locus Teambuilding Training and Development and also Chris Ortiz, the Program Director for the Team Development Center at Shaver’s Creek and is an instructor for the Recreation Parks and Tourism Management Department at Penn State University.
The panelists answered the questions submitted by Phil and also the live audience
This week's guest, Andrew Alexander King, is a surfer, climber and mountaineer who is currently attempting to be the 1st African American to summit the highest mountain and highest volcano on each continent, 14 in total.
We discuss how adventure became a part of his life, his thoughts on being a role model and mentor to younger climbers and surfers and what people can do to improve diversity in the outdoors.
Follow him on his journey via his instagram - @andrew_alexander_king
After both presenting at a conference on 2 different topics Phil and Lisa had this unplanned conversation all about adapting your current activities and the benefits of not revealing too much information when facilitating.
Beth Wonson, Author of Mastering Feedback: Everything You've Never Been Told About Giving Feedback, discusses with our guest host, Lisa Hunt, all about how to give feedback, how to receive feedback and strategies that both work and also don't work.
Learn more about Navigating Challenging Dialogue here: ncdsolution.com
In this episode the Training Team (Chris, Lisa, Rich and Phil) discuss common heard terms in the Challenge Course industry and share their views on their appropriateness.
This episode is supported by Atomik Climbing Holds - atomikclimbingholds.com
Vishwas Parchure, Director of the Experiential Leadership Institute in Pune India, discusses with Phil his first experiences with working in the outdoors, his thoughts on conditioning, conduct and consciousness and answers the question; can facilitation be taught?
Watch his Ewald and Hahn Address from the 2020 International AEE conference -
You can learn more about Vishwas and the work of the Experiential Leadership Institute here - experiential.institute
This episode is supported by Atomik Climbing Holds - atomikclimbingholds.com
Romy Alexandra joins Phil to discuss her introduction to the world of Experiential Learning and then shares clear explanations of both the Experiential Learning Cycle and the Experiential Learning Styles.
You can get in touch and follow Romy at the following;
LinkedIn - Romy Alexandra
Instagram - @trainingbyromy
FB - Romy Alexandra: Experiential Learning Trainer
Email - info@romy-alexandra.com
The Training team (Chris, Lisa, Rich and Phil) talk about the different forms of documentation Challenge Course professionals should be aware of, including;
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Local Operating Procedures (LOPs)
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Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs)
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Inspection Reports
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Challenge Course Portfolios
This episode is supported by Sticker Mule - stickermule.com
Rachel Hailey of Rachel Hailey & Associates Consulting joins us on the podcast to talk about her early experiences with the outdoors, the work she does consulting on DEI topics and her hope for future generations.
Find more about Rachel here: rhaileyconsulting.com
Todd Brown (Director of Challenge Course Services, High 5) and Ian Doak (Assistant Director of Challenge Course Services, High 5) discuss with Phil the process of a new installation of a challenge course;
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What our program design process looks like
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How to budget for a new program
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How to find the perfect location
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Training considerations when building a challenge course
Learn more about our program design and installation services here: high5adventure.org/challenge-course-services/program-design-and-installation
Phil chats with fellow facilitator and podcaster Leanne Hughes about how she began in facilitation, her advice for emerging professionals and how we describe the work we do; Facilitator vs Trainer vs Educator.
Find Leanne's podcast by searching First Time Facilitator and find more information about her work on her website: www.leannehughes.com
Todd Brown (Director of Challenge Course Services, High 5) and Ian Doak (Assistant Director of Challenge Course Services, High 5) discuss with Phil the process of an inspection of your challenge course; how to prepare for the inspection, what to expect on the day, and some best practices/pitfalls our inspectors have seen.
Learn more about our inspection services here: high5adventure.org/challenge-course-services/inspection-and-repair-services
Phil is joined by his hometown connection Andrew Jillings to talk about his journey in experiential education, the benefits of both experience and certifications, and his winter reading list.
Find out more about Hamilton College's Outdoor Leadership Program here: hamilton.edu/offices/adventure
When making your activity agenda it can be helpful to intentionally pick activities that can help you read your group. In this episode we explore what some of these activities are and their benefits. In order to better explore this concept, Phil calls up 8 of his facilitator friends to ask them what activities they use and why. These facilitators are:
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Chris Damboise (Director of Training and Team Development, High 5)
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Ryan McCormick (Edge of Leadership Director, High 5)
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Greg Urban (Project Adventure)
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Justin McGlamery (Focus Your Locus)
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Rick Keegan (Trainer, High 5)
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Lisa Hunt (Manager of Team Development, High 5)
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Megan Meinan (UVM)
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Chris Ortiz (Penn State)
Bob Ryan (Director of Safety and Risk Management at Project Adventure) chats with Chris Damboise (Director of Training and Team Development at High 5) about his introduction to the adventure industry, his work with writing standards and his program recommendations based on his risk management experience.
Chris, Lisa and Phil talk about High 5's ACCT certification process including how to prepare, why you might want a certification, what the process looks like, and common pitfalls we see as examiners. Chris also introduces the concept of Education - Preparation - Illumination - Certification.
In this episode, Phil and Jim are joined by Adam Ames (Type A) to discuss his experience being trained by Jim, the impact it had on him and the visual art piece that resulted from their experiences.
Check out Type A's Team building (Align) here - typea.us/align
Lisa and Phil discuss the concept of Risk Homeostasis Theory and how it presents itself in adventure programming and challenge course operations.
Books referenced in this episode are:
Target Risk by Gerald J. S. Wilde - download a free digital copy here: riskhomeostasis.org/links-to-target-risk
The Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande
Sherry Bagley (AEE Executive Director) discusses her journey to leading AEE, all of the great ways to volunteer for the organization and the future of experiential education.
The upcoming AEE International Virtual Conference info can be found here: aee.org/2020-international-virtual-conference
Chris, Lisa and Phil discuss a concept that is a large part of High 5 trainings and also features in some of our books; The Thinking Practitioner. It can be applied to both challenge course operation as well as adventure activities and leads to more confident and competent practitioners.
Hutch Hutchinson (Senior Lecturer at Boston University Questrom School of Business) shares his road to working in Experiential Education, his love of the AEE community and the history of Outdoor Education based on his dissertation "Crafting an Outdoor Classroom: The Nineteenth Century Roots of the Outdoor Education Movement".
Katherine Conway (AMIGOS) discusses the importance of experiencing different cultures, conflict resolution strategies and gap year programming.
Find more about AMIGOS here: amigosinternational.org
In this episode Phil discusses the 4 primary neurochemicals that elicit happiness; Endorphins, Dopamine, Serotonin and Oxytocin, as well as activities that you can use with your participants to help participants experience them.
Disclaimer: Phil is not a neuroscientist.
In this special episode we reached out to educators and asked them "What Inspired You To Become An Educator?" This is an inspirational and moving compilation of some of their responses. Thank you to all educators!
Ross (Hulbert Outdoor Center) sat down with Phil to discuss the "magic" of working in outdoor education, making an impact on clients and relating to the mission of the organizations you work for.
Learn more about Hulbert here: https://alohafoundation.org/hulbert/
In this episode Phil reads a blog he wrote back in 2018 titled "Finding Pinecones" which highlights the importance of being flexible with your agenda, reading your group's needs and enjoying the small moments.
Scott, founder and CEO of the Children's Mental Health Network discusses the importance of advocacy and connection, gives some advice to educators regarding student mental health and shares what gives him hope for the future of child and family services.
You can find more about CMHN and Scott here: cmhnetwork.org
Welcome to Vertical Playpen! The podcast all about Adventure and Experiential Education! Join us as we interview experts in our field and give tips and advice utilizing our decades of experience. If you are an educator in any way, this is the podcast for you. Thanks for listening!
Michelle joins Phil (while at the ACCT conference) to discuss how she got her start in experiential education, the importance of making connections and her parenting advice on coping with a world full of screens.
Find her website full of resources here: training-wheels.com
The Training team give takeaways from their first in-person trainings while using COVID-19 protocols and discuss what participants can expect from attending our new workshop "Gathering Again - Adventure Activities with Physical Distance".
Rohan (Director of Training) joins Phil to discuss the importance of asking "why?", his role on the Board of ACCT and variations on traditional low elements.
Check out Challenge Works - challengeworks.com
Chad joined Phil (via Zoom) to talk about being a collaborator instead of a consumer, ways to maximize your use of We! Connect Cards, and his tips for creating conversations that matter.
Find out more about Chad and his work here: weand.me
Rich joins guest host and longtime friend Chris Damboise as they discuss meeting in the early 90's, the creation of ACCT and the standards and making a career out of working on Challenge Courses.
Connect with Rich - rich@seafoxconsulting.com
Jim, Ryan, Anne Louise, Rich and Phil discuss what traits and behaviors great leaders possess, how they teach their students about leadership and how they, as facilitators, aim to get groups in the same physical space again once the COVID-19 challenge diminishes.
Geoff (Interim Head Coach, Calgary Flames) joins Phil and Jim in a discussion about his connection to High 5, how he defines his leadership style and why connection and empowerment have been an integral part of his team's seasons and successes.
We made it to 50 episodes! Wahoo! In honor of this achievement we have a special episode recorded where Phil gets interviewed by Rich and you get to enjoy a compilation of recorded Dad Jokes. Thanks for all of your support. Enjoy!
Alex and Kevin, Director of Training and Training Manager at Synergo, join Phil, while at the ACCT conference, for a conversation all about their passion for teaching others and challenge course programming. Check out more about Synergo at teamsynergo.com.
Chris sits down with Phil at the ACCT Conference to talk about his start in the industry, his advice for emerging professionals and the importance of making connections. Plus, a few dad jokes make their way into the conversation.
New Name - Same Podcast. This is a short explanation on our name change. Welcome to Vertical Playpen. New episodes every 2 weeks.
Greg visits the High 5 offices to chat with Lisa about the connection between music and adventure, introducing people to boardgames and being willing to travel long distances to find work that you love.
The Training Team (Phil, Rich, Chris and Lisa) discuss how they end a program or workshop with a group. Saying goodbye, closing activities and when to reflect with the group.
The Training Team (Phil, Rich, Chris and Lisa) discuss how they begin a program or workshop with a group. Activities that set the tone, strategies to connect with the group early on and coping with awkward silences.
Jeff and Arlette from the Gengras Center in West Hartford, CT sat down with their good friend and our Trainer Rich Keegan to talk and reminisce about their incredible work at Gengras and their experience using a challenge course and experiential education.
In this episode of Trainer Tips, Phil and Rich spend 15 minutes discussing tips for managing the use of p-cords on challenge courses. Topics include, replacing the rope, stacking them out of the way and appropriate p-cord length.
Does neat gear storage and wearing the same style of harness as your participants positively affect the 1st impressions of your challenge course operations?...YUP! Phil discusses these 2 things.
Meg talks with Phil about social justice facilitation, navigating your triggers and her upcoming new product - Facilitator Cards. Find out more about Meg and Facilitator Cards here: https://www.megbolger.com/
December 18th is World Knot Tying Day, marking the birthday of legendary knot enthusiast and author Clifford Ashley. To celebrate this the training team got together to talk about knots, knots and more knots.
#worldknottyingday
Companion episode to our recent blog post - A Force to Reckoned With - Helium Hoop. Lisa, Rich and Phil discuss intentionally adding struggle and frustration into their programming.
Lisa will be running a pre-conference workshop at ACCT titled "The Struggle is Real" - register here: http://acctconference.com/register/
Chris talks with Phil about the influence summer camp had on him, the importance of defining your mission and vision and the power in sharing and adding to your stories.
Find more about Chris at fundoing.com.
Ryan, Rich, Sam and Phil look through antique game books (some over 100 years old) with the task of identifying how to play the games with only the name and a few other clues to help. In this episode the games to identify are Gardener and Scamp, and Bull in the Ring.
Ryan, Rich, Sam and Phil look through antique game books (some over 100 years old) with the task of identifying how to play the game with only the name and few other clues to help. In this episode the games to identify are Dumb Crambo and Old Man Old Man.
Jamie, High 5 Lead Builder, returns to his previous place of employment to chat with Bill Waite, Program Director and Rolland Krohn, Ropes Course Director about the FFA, how they got their start in Adventure programming and advice they would give to future professionals.
The Training Team (Chris, Lisa, Rich and Phil) discuss places where they have gained professional development outside of the field of challenge course operations and how integrating topics you are interested and/or passionate about can enhance your programming.
The Training team (Chris, Lisa, Rich and Phil) discuss in great detail the importance of name games, when to use them and what their "go-to" activities are for learning participant names. This is in response to a question sent in by Megan Meinen of UVM. Thanks Megan for the great question!
Marty took some time after taking an ACCT Level 2 Certification Exam to chat with Phil about adaptive programming, the joy of "getting" to go to work instead of "having" to go to work and shares his challenges with operating a challenge course.
Lisa Hunt, Senior Trainer and Manager of Team Development, discusses the difference between real and fake jobs that we give to our participants when operating a challenge course with the desire to manage behavior.
Find the conversation between Lisa and Ken Demas here:
https://high5adventure.org/pod-casts/trainer-tips-real-vs-fake-jobs
Amy talks with Phil about her advice to students when embarking on a career in experiential education, thoughts on the future of the industry and also a couple of tips and insights on Climer Cards.
amy@climerconsulting.com
Chris, Director of Training and Team Development, speaks with Karen (Assistant Director) and Patrick (Head Counselor) about the history of Camp Agawam, building a new challenge course and how it benefits both the campers and the staff who operate it.
Jim Grout, Executive Director of High 5, discusses how ego can be problematic when operating a challenge course and how being a "chameleon" can help when teaching others.
In this episode of Tinker Talk, the Training Team (Phil, Jim, Chris and Lisa) talk about the positives and possible pitfalls of using the same activities from group to group and how to respond to participants who have "seen this one before".
Justin chats with Rich Keegan, High 5 Trainer, about his start in adventure programming, his great work with Dylan's Wings of Change and his love of our Executive Director, Jim Grout.
Mistakes can occur in the work that we do and these can result in many different outcomes ranging from the more common; not meeting a group's needs, to the hopefully rare; physical injury. The Training team (Phil, Chris, Lisa and Jim) discuss mistakes they have made (real and/or perceived) in their careers and the significance of making them.
This question is a follow up from a previous episode; Tinker Talk - How We Learn Our Craft.
Alicia talks with Phil about making Summer Camp a full-time career, the benefits of professional training and tiny tiny pocket horses.
Learn more about Fernwood Cove here: www.fernwoodcove.com
Warm weather months often result in our calendars filling with programming which can lead to staff having low energy. The Training team (Phil, Chris, Lisa and Jim) talk about how they manage their energy levels during the busy training seasons and when the weather may not cooperate.
Mark shares with Phil his story about the transformative power of experiential learning, his thoughts about the future of the industry and how ducks have the ability to detect vegans.
www.playmeo.com
Ian talks to Phil about the joy of designing challenge courses, having a strong work ethic and eating too much Fish & Chips on the road.
The team answer the question - "What has been the method by which you have most learned your facilitation techniques?"
Pam talks to Phil about the joys of living in Vermont, a challenging air travel experience and the Great British Baking Show
Phil talks to guest hosts, Jamie and Rich, about his start in Adventure Education, Branston Pickle sandwiches, and announces an artistic opportunity to win some High 5 products.
The Training Team answer the question - "Are there any facilitation tips or advice you've had over the years that you disagree with or struggle with?"
Jim continues his conversation with Phil talking about his thoughts regarding the future of Adventure Education, the most recent books he has read and how he would never turn down a conversation with a penguin.
Jim talks to Phil about his first Adventure Education work, people who have supported him along the way and the Edge of Leadership program.
Ryan, Rich and Phil look through antique game books (some over 100 years old) with the task of identifying how to play the games with only the name and a few other clues to help. In this episode the games to identify are Nose and Toes Tag, Have You Seen My Sheep?, Pig in a Hole, Jamaquack and Flowers and the Wind.
Lisa talks to Phil about garden gnomes, her hopes for the future of this industry and our role in helping new facilitators. They also masterfully deal with a mid-interview interruption.
Ryan, Rich and Phil look through antique game books (some over 100 years old) with the task of identifying how to play the games with only the name and a few other clues to help. In this episode the games to identify are Huckleberry Beanstalk, Look out for the Bear! and Squirrels in Trees.
Taylor talks to Phil about starting at High 5 at an early age, being a sour patch kid and jumping all the way to the moon.
Todd talks to Phil about his thoughts on the changing challenge course industry, the many variations of coleslaw and adding hot sauce to salty foods.
Ryan talks to Phil about prop bags weighing more than he does, being influenced by The Wizard of Oz and life as a Gummi Bear.
The Training Team talk about being anxious before programs, the pros and cons and what strategies they use of compensate for that nervous energy.
Chris talks to Phil about his background in climbing, having issues with ducks and his regrets around not learning to play the recorder.
Rich talks to Phil about teaching ballroom dancing, enjoying french fries and listening to Beyonce while stranded on an island.
Tom talks to Phil about his fundraising background, fly fishing and having conversations with ducks.
Anne Louise talks to Phil about studying to become a teacher, being involved in the community and singing Moana out loud in a car.
Jamie talks to Phil about growing up in Maine, duffle bags of Lego pieces, and living the remainder of his life as Optimus Prime.