You'll Never Believe Me But...

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A WKNC storytelling podcast where each guest tells one real and one fake story to the station's resident storytelling fanatic, Cutter.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But… Cutter’s sort-of-uncle Daniel comes on to tell stories of singing in front of the President and hitting basketball legend Dean Smith with a door, as well as fret about his guess as to Cutter’s stories

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But… Cole Miller, runway model and friend of Cutter's, comes on to tell stories of almost being kidnapped and driving at a fire towards a friend’s grandma, as well as make his guess on Cutter’s two stories.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... Cutter’s younger sibling, Phoenix, comes in to discuss their experience with flirtatious fictional characters and a walk out created at their school, as well as decide between Cutter’s stories.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... Cutter’s friend since birth, Price comes on to tell stories of his time at Virginia Tech athletics, including basketball halftime scooter races and getting hit by a snowball from the new football coach.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... Cutter’s roommate and longtime NC State friend Maddie joins him to talk about her times sneaking out and running away, both on top of a shopping center and in the middle of the night in Wilmington.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... Natalie, friend of Gabby’s and friend of Cutter’s, tells stories about her return to her birthplace of Las Vegas and her high school orchestra’s fitful field trip to New Orleans.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... the star of one of season one’s stories, Gabby, kicks off season two with stories abroad in Jordan and in high school theater, as well as making her guess on stories she isn’t a part of this time around.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... host Cutter begins Season 2 of the show by telling his stories about mishaps working summer camps and conversation-given concussions that all future guests will have to pick between.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... Cutter brings on a special guest for a bonus interview to get their side of one of the season one stories. While there aren’t any new stories, we get a good look at an old story from a new perspective.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... After Dark, Cutter reveals the true story between the two he told at the beginning of the mini season and some of the storytellers from previous episodes of the season join him to react to the reveal.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... After Dark, WKNC videographer and friend of Cutter’s Elle joins him to talk about her experiences being alone in a Metcalf dorm room and her roommate intruding in the middle of cleaning.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... After Dark Cutter’s friend Steven comes on to tell stories of his own experience with a girl on an Alaskan cruise and the night of his first, well, everything. He also makes his guess on Cutter’s stories.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... After Dark WKNC’s Interview Content Creator and Cutter’s noted coworker Owen comes on to talk about his experience camping in Maine and misadventures at band camp involving his high school girlfriend.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... After Dark Cutter’s roommate Emily joins him to talk about her first, and arguably worst, New Year's kiss and the advances made by the older bartender at the restaurant where she worked

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In the very first episode of a new, more raunchy You’ll Never Believe Me But… miniseries, Cutter explains the structure of the miniseries and tells his two stories that each coming guest will have to pick between.

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In this episode of You’ll Never Believe Me But... the star of the true story joins Cutter in the grand reveal of the stories that he told at the beginning of the season, and the previous guests make a return to share their reactions to the reveal.

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You’ll Never Believe Me But… is a lighthearted storytelling podcast about what’s real, what’s fake, and what’s funny. Guests come on and tell two stories, one real one fake, and laugh and joke about it with host Cutter as they enjoy storytelling while he tries to figure out which story is the real one.

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:Provided by Otter.ai

Cutter 0:00
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everyone. My name is Cutter though you may know me as three beers in a coat on air on HD one and welcome to this episode of, You'll never believe me, But.

You'll never believe me, but is a storytelling podcast being produced here at WKNC about lying to me. Every episode I have a guest on and they tell me two stories, one real and one fake, and I have to decide which is real between them. For those of you that are new here, or for those of you that need a quick refresher, I'm gonna run down the three rules we have here, before we get into today's episode. Rule number one, your story should not do significant damage to anyone else or their character. We're not trying to be outwardly mean to anyone other than ourselves. Rule number two, if someone else is featured in your story, you must either have their permission to say their name or use a fake name for them. You agreed to come on the show and tell these stories but unless they agreed to have these stories told just use a fake name. And rule number three, and this is the easiest one all story should start with. You'll never believe me but and then a brief synopsis before starting the story just so we all know what we're getting into. And is a nice little nod to the show's title. So with all that housekeeping stuff out of the way, let's go ahead and get into today's episode. Today's guest is Stacy, a family friend of mine, someone I've known since I was days old and an all around killer lady Stacy, how are you doing today?

Stacy 1:24
Well cutter I'm great. And I appreciate the very kind of intro there my friend.

Cutter 1:28
Well, it's all true. You are killer. And you have known me since I was days old.

Stacy 1:33
Yeah, basically, yes. About three or four days probably.

Cutter 1:36
Amazing. Because that's when one of my closest friends your son, one of my closest friends we're four days apart. And that's kind of how we got to know each other him and I and then through that we've just been very close family friends ever since.

Stacy 1:49
Absolutely.

Cutter 1:50
So we've been on vacations we've gone places we've done a lot. And I have gotten to see truly the depth and breadth of your character, which is why I'm so excited to have you on the show

Stacy 1:58
Or scared.

Cutter 1:58
Yes, I think both is totally fair. Because I know you pretty well, I'd conjecture and

Stacy 2:05
I would say so.

Cutter 2:06
I knew a lot of my guests that came on but not as well as I think I know you just because of the quantity of time we spent together which is why I'm excited for you to tell me your stories.

Stacy 2:15
Well now we're gonna see if you really do know me or if you just think you know me.

Cutter 2:19
That is a great point. Now your stories have a bit of an interesting backstory to them.

Stacy 2:24
Yeah.

Cutter 2:25
It would have been I I want to say two weeks ago.

Stacy 2:28
Two weeks ago, Saturday.

Cutter 2:29
You, you came over your family came over to hang out with my family. We're pals like that. We're chums and you came in limping. You've got and this is still true, you've got a cast on your forearm that goes up and over your wrist.

Stacy 2:31
Yeah.

Cutter 2:36
and your, is it your right leg?

Stacy 2:46
Oh, it's my right leg.

Cutter 2:47
and your right leg, I I would I think best describe it as a purple tie dye disaster.

Stacy 2:54
I think you're kind

Cutter 2:55
I think well okay, how would you describe it?

Stacy 2:58
Oh my god, it's it looks like an alien has landed on my leg and exploded and purple and bruised gruesomeness it's it's it's very bad.

Cutter 3:07
It is gnarly.

Stacy 3:08
It, it's bad.

Cutter 3:09
And so, and so you came in with this major injury that you would already told the rest of my family about because I had missed an event of some kind. Because I was out of town. And you came in and you were very secretive about it.

Stacy 3:21
I was and quite honestly, I'm impressed that no one told you what happened to me. So we have we have definitely kept it under wraps on purpose. So I'm very excited to see what happens today.

Cutter 3:32
Yes, I'm very excited. And so yes, this is the main focus of this episode is your crazy injury that has been I mean, it's been what three weeks since you injured yourself?

Stacy 3:44
It's been two weeks and I would say that this this big glob on my leg which is officially you know, I know this is medical info but I'm clearly given the clearance to share. It's a hematoma. I don't know if you are familiar with what a hematoma is.

Cutter 3:57
Sounds familiar.

Stacy 3:58
So essentially, you know, something has happened and now there's hemorrhaging going on. We've got you know, not hemorrhaging that means I'm gonna die, thankfully, and I'm been clear that I'm not throwing any clots, but there's some serious, serious hemorrhaging that has occurred, which is, you know, resulted in about, I don't know, a six inch wide and four inch three to four inch tall blob that has grown on my leg

Cutter 4:24
From here and we're sitting probably like six, seven feet apart.

Stacy 4:28
Yeah.

Cutter 4:28
From here it looks like you have a half a tennis ball taped to the top of your thigh.

Stacy 4:33
Well yeah. Which is a little better because I would have called it at least probably grapefruit to cantaloupe size so we're where you know you're doing better things are getting better.

Cutter 4:42
Oh my goodness. It's a shame that that is better though I'm glad you are getting better. Hey, if you're hemorrhaging on the inside, that's where the blood's supposed to be.

Stacy 4:49
I know, I did learn though that you know, as as one medical professional told me throughout this, you know, your body's designed, I guess unless you hit an artery.

Cutter 4:59
Sure.

Stacy 4:59
Not to bleed out.

Cutter 5:01
yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

Stacy 5:02
So uh, there you go.

Cutter 5:03
Yeah, tactical redundancy. That's amazing. I'm very excited again. Yes, my family has kept this secret, secret from me. And I haven't asked because I didn't want to ruin the sanctity of this experience getting to hear these stories for the first time. But I think honestly, they would have been more angry at me for even trying to get them to tell me honestly.

Stacy 5:22
Okay, good. They're good people. I'll keep them.

Cutter 5:23
They are. I'm glad I don't have a choice. I'm glad that you feel that way. Well, you know how the show works. If you have any last minute questions, comments or concerns, please let me know now. Otherwise, I think it's a great time we've we've hyped up your injury enough. I'm very excited just to get into your stories.

Stacy 5:43
All right, I think I'm good to go. So I'm going to give you a little a little preview I've got I've got my two stories, and I'll share in a minute, they both do dovetail at some point into you know, kind of final result and treatment. So they will you know.

Cutter 5:57
Amazing.

Stacy 5:57
I will tell I think where I'm going to go is I'm going to tell all the way through.

Cutter 6:01
Sure.

Stacy 6:01
And the second story I'll let you know when we're kind of picking up on that final closure piece where I you know, end up

Cutter 6:08
Interesting.

Stacy 6:08
Seeking some medical help.

Cutter 6:10
Fascinating. What a new novel little structure. I'm very excited. All right, well, take it away.

Stacy 6:17
All right. You will never believe me but I hearken back to my I'll say my own college days and my my my youthfulness when I used to do a lot of work on a farm.

Cutter 6:30
Okay.

Stacy 6:31
Yeah. So in this farm work that I have recently rediscovered

Cutter 6:36
Interesting.

Stacy 6:36
I have injured myself in the way that we described earlier. That is what caused me to walk away with this like supersized hematoma and a broken arm.

Cutter 6:45
So it's broken broken?

Stacy 6:46
Oh, yes it's broken, broken.

Cutter 6:47
I did not know that.

Stacy 6:47
Straight up so

Cutter 6:48
Wow amazing. I mean not amazing, clearly. But again, we just want to reiterate. You are okay.

Stacy 6:53
I am okay.

Cutter 6:54
You're seeking medical help. You're progressing back to fully healthy.

Stacy 6:57
Yes.

Cutter 6:58
I feel the need to throw that note in. But please, yes, rediscovered farm work.

Stacy 7:02
So those that know me really well tend to not equate me with dirty work and outside you probably think of me more with cute purses and good hair. And you know.

Cutter 7:12
your hair is a great pride of yours.

Stacy 7:14
Right, exactly. So when I'm telling you that I'm you know, I've been hanging out in a farm in my recent,

Cutter 7:19
Fascinating.

Stacy 7:20
You know, looking for fun things to do, history. You might not, you might not believe that. But I have a friend who has a horse farm in Central North Carolina.

Cutter 7:29
Nice.

Stacy 7:29
So she's got a lot of horses. It's not like five to 10 it's like, more than 20

Cutter 7:34
Oh, wow. That's a lot.

Stacy 7:35
It's a lot. It's a lot. So from time to time, I will go out of town and I will give her a hand and help her on her horse farm.

Cutter 7:43
Amazing.

Stacy 7:43
So a few weeks ago, I found myself doing just that one thing. Unfortunately, I found myself doing this one thing at like 10 o'clock at night in the dark.

Cutter 7:54
Oh.

Stacy 7:55
Yeah. Which isn't really what I had bargained for, but it's just kind of the way it came about with the situation that she was in

Cutter 8:01
Sure, sure.

Stacy 8:01
So I find myself you know, walking out to her barn and I go to flip the light switch on because she's got a huge barn that probably has 10 stalls either side they've got sliding doors, they're big heavy wooden doors with great big wooden wrought iron bars. That you know that, you can open some of them up so horse can stick their head out

Cutter 8:20
Sure, sure.

Stacy 8:21
So pretty standard if you've grown up anywhere, you know near a ranch or a farm with a standard barn

Cutter 8:25
Right.

Stacy 8:26
So got a wash room in there, a feed room in there, you can park equipment in there so it's pretty good size. So I find myself at 10 o'clock at night in the in the middle of nowhere, now mind you this is not in town. It's not close to anything in town.

Cutter 8:40
What is the nearest city? Where are we in central North Carolina?

Stacy 8:44
We're kind of outside of Pinehurst.

Cutter 8:49
That's a bit of a ways.

Stacy 8:49
You're in horse and golf country out there.

Cutter 8:51
Sure. Sure.

Stacy 8:52
So I find myself lending her hand at 10 o'clock at night. And I'm out in the barn and there's an alley or a hallway in between the two sections of stalls on either side. And it's lit it's really nice barn so it's nice so I know where the light switches but I'm looking for the light switch.

Cutter 9:07
Sure. Sure.

Stacy 9:08
No lights coming on.

Cutter 9:09
Oh, okay.

Stacy 9:10
No light. So now I'm thinking and I've got, I didn't tell you the best part. Most of her horses are out in pastures

Cutter 9:16
Sure.

Stacy 9:17
But she's got two stallions.

Cutter 9:18
Oh, okay.

Stacy 9:20
So two stallions that are clearly if your stallion you're ungelded. So you know, you are a potential daddy horse who has much interest in all the lady horses out and about right?

Cutter 9:31
Sure. Sure.

Stacy 9:31
Right. So there's a reason you're in the stall so that you're not out, browsing around and getting into trouble.

Cutter 9:35
Sure.

Stacy 9:36
Often stallions can be a little feisty.

Cutter 9:39
Sure, sure.

Stacy 9:40
Be a little feisty, especially if they've been in their stall for a little while.

Cutter 9:43
I wonder where this is going? Where it's gonna take you?

Stacy 9:45
They've been in their stall, been in their stall a little while. So I go, you know, walking down the hall, the hall in the dark, and I need to water these two stallions and I need to feed them...

Cutter 9:56
Sure.

Stacy 9:56
because they have not eaten and they're really not happy because they really should have eaten hours before, but my friend is in a situation where she wasn't able to do that. So here I go. Now I know them. I know these horses

Cutter 10:08
Sure.

Stacy 10:09
They know me. But I'm normally not walking down the hallway between the stalls with my handy dandy Apple phone flashlight on because I'm pretty sure I just told you it is dark in there, right?

Cutter 10:21
Yes, you did.

Stacy 10:22
Right. So now they're freaking out because they don't understand the light, but I need some light. So they are kicking, they're, ones in one stall on this side of the hall ones in one stall on that side of hall.

Cutter 10:32
Sure.

Stacy 10:32
And there's kicking and there is is all kinds of activity.

Cutter 10:36
Sure.

Stacy 10:36
And I realized that my friends setup currently does not allow me to just take a hose really and just stick it through the bars to fill the water bucket in one of the stalls.

Cutter 10:47
Sure.

Stacy 10:48
As I assess the situation, I realize I'm going to have to open the stall door in the dark with my tiny Apple flashlight and a really mad stallion.

Cutter 10:56
Oh, yeah,

Stacy 10:56
Yeah, yeah

Cutter 11:00
And this can only go well.

Stacy 11:02
and I am going to have to slide the door open.

Cutter 11:03
Sure.

Stacy 11:03
And then I'm gonna have to go in and grab the like five gallon bucket.

Cutter 11:04
Okay

Stacy 11:05
and fill it and bring it back.

Cutter 11:07
Oh, wow, quite the event.

Stacy 11:08
Right so I'm really not happy at this point. Because really, what I'm wanting to do is grab the dang hose and just pour the water in and move on.

Cutter 11:14
Sure.

Stacy 11:15
So I take the lazy route, and I start with the food because I can pour through that, that through the bars and I'm

Cutter 11:20
Amazing.

Stacy 11:20
I'm thinking, Okay, I'm gonna feed you, I'll pet you on the head. You know me, it's gonna be alright. Okay, so I do that. And he, you know, starts eating munch, munch, munch Well, one of them I get done completely. They're totally happy. But I got this other one . Totally not happy.

Cutter 11:35
Sure.

Stacy 11:35
Totally not happy. So get him fed. He's going and the next thing I know, I'm like, Alright, I gotta go in there and get the water bucket. So these doors are really heavy. They're solid wood.

Cutter 11:46
Okay, wow yeah.

Stacy 11:47
Okay, and they've got all these, like wrought iron bars at the top.

Cutter 11:50
Wow.

Stacy 11:51
So I have slid the door open just enough, you know, really to let me in?

Cutter 11:57
Sure.

Stacy 11:57
And I'm kind of in the stall enough to grab in the corner this big five Gallon White Bucket that's currently empty. Right. Right. You feel me?

Cutter 12:05
Yeah.

Stacy 12:06
And I take my left hand and lean my right hand on the stone lean and the grab it and I start pulling the bucket. And now my friend the horse. Super unhappy with what I'm doing. Kicking, fighting feet everywhere. And the next thing I know he has somehow lodged his foot into the opposite side of the sliding door. And he is slamming

Cutter 12:27
Oh no

Stacy 12:28
the door,

Cutter 12:29
No, no,

Stacy 12:29
shut with me in it.

Cutter 12:32
That's not good.

Stacy 12:33
Yeah, no, it's not cool. Because as it happens, and I have my hand up like this. I feel a crack yeah. So the crack is now you know, beautifully covered in purple.

Cutter 12:47
Lovely lavender cast.

Stacy 12:48
I have lovely lavender, you know, form fitting cast.

Cutter 12:53
Beautiful.

Stacy 12:53
Yeah. So then I'm realizing that I'm stuck. So I gotta figure out how to get out and I have really mad horse all in my face.

Cutter 13:02
Right.

Stacy 13:02
So somehow I finally just, you know, do, I muster up whatever adrenaline fueled fire I have going within me and I just jerk myself out of the door.

Cutter 13:15
Wow.

Stacy 13:16
And slam it shut.

Cutter 13:17
Nice. So Problem solved.

Stacy 13:19
Well, one would think except suddenly, there's like a grand explosion on my leg.

Cutter 13:25
Oh.

Stacy 13:26
yeah. Apparently come to find out the whole impact of the door,

Cutter 13:32
Yeah.

Stacy 13:32
slamming my leg,

Cutter 13:34
Okay.

Stacy 13:35
Yeah, it can you believe it at damaged like a lot of vessels?

Cutter 13:38
Sure that tracks. Yeah, yeah.

Stacy 13:40
It sure did, it sure did. So problem is, you know, it's 10 o'clock at night,

Cutter 13:45
Yes.

Stacy 13:45
Yeah, right. So I'm really not feeling the leg too badly at that point, right. It's not great.

Cutter 13:50
No.

Stacy 13:50
I'm more worried about the fact that I felt my arm crunch and it's hurting, like,

Cutter 13:54
Sure.

Stacy 13:55
A lot.

Cutter 13:55
Sure. Sure. Haha.

Stacy 13:57
And so I'm realizing I need medical care. Because this, I can't do this. And my friend has a medical thing going on with herself. And I can't rely on her to help me.

Cutter 14:08
Right. Right.

Stacy 14:11
Yeah, and I'm not at home.

Cutter 14:13
Uh huh.

Stacy 14:14
And no one else is there.

Cutter 14:16
Uh huh. And you're in the middle of nowhere, North Carolina, at a barn that you do not own. And you've just been, you just have the door slammed on you by a mad horse. And now you have a broken arm? Mad leg?

Stacy 14:30
Mm hmm.

Cutter 14:32
That is quite the conundrum.

Stacy 14:34
Yeah. So what does any good Texan who also happened to go to an agriculture on engineering school for undergraduate do.

Cutter 14:43
I would imagine make a splint with what you can find around.

Stacy 14:46
She puts herself in her own pickup truck and takes her to urgent, takes herself to urgent care 12 miles away.

Cutter 14:51
Yeah, that tracks too, amazing. Okay, yeah, of course. Of course.

Stacy 14:58
Yeah. Yeah. So I go to the urgent care I walk my little happy self in, and they take me in. And they realize that you know, pretty quickly because I didn't really describe my arm. But yeah, it was very obvious that there was a break because there was a section of my wrist that was not where it should be.

Cutter 15:18
Ah, yes, that will do it.

Stacy 15:21
But you know, when you're getting pinned and adore by a really mad horse, who has with all of his force, taken his back foot and slammed the door shut on you.

Cutter 15:30
It does, it does start to cause problems I would imagine,

Stacy 15:32
Kinda to be expected. So, you know, everybody's all up in arms because Haha, no pun intended. They're looking at my arm.

Cutter 15:39
Sure.

Stacy 15:39
And you know, meanwhile, I'm kinda sitting down there going, you know, my leg stings like I mean, it got slammed, it hurts.

Cutter 15:47
Yeah.

Stacy 15:47
I'm pretty pretty, have a pretty high pain tolerance.

Cutter 15:50
Sure.

Stacy 15:50
So I was, you know, it was there. I knew it.

Cutter 15:55
Right.

Stacy 15:55
But as we are getting to seriously take me down and X ray my arm.

Cutter 15:59
Oh, yeah.

Stacy 16:00
Yeah, I'm like, wait a minute. I think my right leg feels like it's on fire. Like, it feels like flames are creeping up my leg. And at this point, I'm considering just cutting my leg off because it might feel better than having it attached to me.

Cutter 16:15
Wow. Okay, so terrible pain.

Stacy 16:17
Really bad, burning, burning pain.

Cutter 16:20
Jeez, okay.

Stacy 16:21
Yeah. And I'm beginning to see underneath my blue jeans. This lovely lump forming.

Cutter 16:28
Of course, of course.

Stacy 16:29
Yeah. So you know, middle of the night, middle of nowhere, urgent care, taking myself 10 miles over there. You know, now my adrenaline's wearing off, and I'm going, Oh, what is? What is this? So when the doctor comes back into the room to take me for the X ray, right, she, I'm like, I can't walk to your extra room. She goes, What do you mean? I'm like, I I am in a lot of pain and I literally cannot walk.

Cutter 16:53
Yeah, hurts too bad.

Stacy 16:54
She's like, what is that on your leg? The ever rising lump? And I'm like, well, we should look at it.

Cutter 16:59
Yes.

Stacy 17:00
Yeah. And we did. Yeah, no blood, everything self contained. Oh, but there's blood

Cutter 17:06
In the lump.

Stacy 17:07
And it's really growing. When you have like a 65 year old urgent care nurse or doctor look at you and she loses all color in her face.

Cutter 17:16
That's not a good sign.

Stacy 17:18
Right? And she asked me how did you get here? I said I drove and she said how'd you get in here? I'm like I walked and she goes we need to get you into a wheelchair right now you need to sit and we're going to X ray your leg and we're going to X ray your arm

Cutter 17:32
Amazing, Of course jeez.

Stacy 17:35
At the moment, I didn't realize that what she's thinking is that I have either broken my femur or or not severed but impacted that artery in some way so it's the artery

Cutter 17:47
Yeah, that's real bad.

Stacy 17:48
That is bleeding which would have been way bad. So now even me last to panic is starting to go, Oh maybe this is pretty serious.

Cutter 17:57
Yeah, maybe this is bad.

Stacy 17:58
Maybe this is really not good. So get my x rays done and now the pain it's really I mean it is coming on. It's like labor pains in waves and my leg, I've forgotten about my wrist. Let's just talk about the fact my legs on frickin fire and I want to cut it off.

Cutter 18:12
Right we're away from the broken wrist.

Stacy 18:14
Yeah, so doctor in panicked, I have no color left my face anymore tells me that or asks me politely, I would like to transfer you to the local emergency room and I would like to call an ambulance for you.

Cutter 18:28
Wow. Yeah, that's serious. I mean.

Stacy 18:33
So now, I went from being like, alright, it's just a sting or two to Oh, man.

Cutter 18:38
This is real bad.

Stacy 18:39
Yeah, I'm gonna kill me a horse when we're done with this. No, and and they're telling me like don't eat anything. Don't drink anything. When was the last time because I'm, in my head. I'm going Oh, man now they're telling me that I'm gonna have to have surgery because they're wanting to knock me out. And so I realize I can't get back in my own truck. I can't walk that far. So my only option is to have the ambulance called. So here comes a local ambulance. But I have to say I was so thrilled it was an all female crew.

Cutter 19:13
Nice.

Stacy 19:14
In a brand new ambulance. I mean, have something ridiculously stupid like this mad stallion slam you in a door I mean, if you're gonna have to go to the ER in an ambulance, brand new ambulance first person to ride in it.

Cutter 19:27
That's a first person to ride in the ambulance

Stacy 19:29
Straight up. smelled like a new car. You know? Pretty awesome. I did have a very badass all female crew, I loved them. They were great. They understood when I liked them and said, Look, I have a high pain tolerance, but we're gonna chop my leg off right now. Getting into that structure was not gonna be a fun time.

Cutter 19:46
Yeah, no, I imagine

Stacy 19:48
But they let me you know, claw the hell out of their shirts while they lifted me up and dropped me into the stretcher and then carted me off to the hospital.

Cutter 19:57
Wow. So you make it to the ER, still in the middle of nowhere?

Stacy 20:01
Make it to the ER, still in the middle of nowhere. Now we got doctors coming in looking at me and they're all like, Can you feel it when I touch your foot and I'm thinking what the hell? I just thought that, you know I had a raspberry now the raspberry is turned into a cantaloupe and my leg is on fire.

Cutter 20:19
Sure, yes.

Stacy 20:20
So, long story short to kind of wrap the way it resolved. For all the craziness on the front end. It's fairly anticlimactic because they get the x rays back. They're like, yeah, your your arm is straight up broken. You broke it at the wrist.

Cutter 20:35
Totally.

Stacy 20:36
And then they look at my leg x rays, and there's no break.

Cutter 20:39
Great.

Stacy 20:39
Which is good

Cutter 20:40
Success,

Stacy 20:41
Which is good, because my alternative would have been to go to local hospital straight to the trauma OR and have my femur fixed.

Cutter 20:48
Eww, that sounds horrifying.

Stacy 20:50
The last thing I wanted was to break my femur because what I do know about that is it is no fun coming back from that. So they were like, well, let's just we just want to observe you for a couple of hours and make sure you know you keep good blood flow to your toes and stuff that everything looks like it's sealing off.

Cutter 21:07
Sure makes sense.

Stacy 21:08
So it's pretty crazy. Because about three hours later, you know, they checked on me periodically about three hours later, the doctor comes in, and my leg totally didn't hurt anymore. No pain meds.

Cutter 21:17
Wow.

Stacy 21:18
No, nothing. I'm like, how do I go from raging pain for the person that has high pain tolerance to like, let's chop the leg off and be done right to Oh, wait, it's bruised and looks like oh my god

Cutter 21:32
Gnarly sure.

Stacy 21:33
Oh black from the knee to the thigh.

Cutter 21:35
Yeah.

Stacy 21:35
Massive, you know, where the door slammed me massive, massive, you know, raised, all the things. And that is when I learned according to the nice ER doctor that hey, your body is not designed to bleed out unless you hit something major like you know, an artery.

Cutter 21:51
Nice.

Stacy 21:52
Yeah.

Cutter 21:52
Thanks Doctor.

Stacy 21:53
The impact to my leg., it may have hemorrhaged everything, every small vein up there, and they may all have been actively bleeding, which is what was causing the severe burning pain.

Cutter 22:03
Yeah, no that tracks.

Stacy 22:04
While, it was hemorrhaging.

Cutter 22:06
Yep.

Stacy 22:07
But it will self heal, and that's why the pain stopped.

Cutter 22:10
So good.

Stacy 22:11
Yeah. Yeah, the pain from the active bleeding now. The last two weeks, I've dealt with the pain of nasty bruising.

Cutter 22:16
Oh, yeah, of course.

Stacy 22:17
Yes. So that is my story. That my stallion friend. Not happy with me in the dark and my iPhone flashlight slammed me into the barn door.

Cutter 22:28
Amazing. Thank you so much.

Stacy 22:30
You will never believe me but we talked just a few minutes ago about how I have an inner farm girl who harkens back to her youth. So here's another story for you to work through.

Cutter 22:40
Okay, sure.

Stacy 22:40
You ready?

Cutter 22:41
Yeah.

Stacy 22:41
Okay. So some of these I think I said early on dovetail at one point together. You know, the two stories. One point will dovetail together to a similar end.

Cutter 22:49
Right. Sure.

Stacy 22:50
So inner farm girl, got this friend. Yeah, she's got a horse farm.

Cutter 22:56
Sure.

Stacy 22:56
Lots of horses, you know, not just one or two.

Cutter 22:59
Same friend, same horses?

Stacy 23:00
Same friend, lots of horses.

Cutter 23:01
Sure.

Stacy 23:02
So you know, she's got some stuff going on where she needs some help out at her farm. You know, I'm always there to raise my hand and say sure thing I'll come out.

Cutter 23:09
Naturally.

Stacy 23:10
Right.

Cutter 23:10
Inner farm girl.

Stacy 23:11
Well, you know, if you live in the city, sometimes you gotta do something a little different.

Cutter 23:15
Oh of course. I mean, you did grow up in Texas is kind of,

Stacy 23:17
it's par for the course.

Cutter 23:18
Yeah sure.

Stacy 23:19
But any who.

Cutter 23:19
Yeah.

Stacy 23:20
Here I go. I truck out there to help her out. So she's got a very large farm. Lots of horses, lots of acreage. It's way too much to try to walk on your own if your responsibility is to feed and water all of these critters

Cutter 23:33
Yeah, yeah.

Stacy 23:34
Which Is what my role was during this week. So she utilizes not a horse to get around on the place but a John Deere Gator.

Cutter 23:43
Oh, okay.

Stacy 23:44
Are you familiar with John Deere Gators?

Cutter 23:45
I am not but I'm familiar with the idea of an ATV.

Stacy 23:49
Alright. So very similar to an ATV. This one looks a little bit like probably like a small pickup truck.

Cutter 23:55
Okay.

Stacy 23:55
So think like you're watching a football game. Unfortunately there's been an injury

Cutter 24:02
Sure Sure.

Stacy 24:02
Somebody gets placed on the board. They cart them out. That's very similar,

Cutter 24:08
Okay.

Stacy 24:08
To what a john deere Gator is.

Cutter 24:10
Sure. And that's, and that's her vehicle of choice

Stacy 24:13
That is her, because she's moving stuff like hay,

Cutter 24:16
Sure

Stacy 24:16
To throw out to the various horses and various pastures

Cutter 24:19
Makes sense.

Stacy 24:20
So you drive the Gator. So Gator 101, when you're driving when you have arrived at your destination, you want to go ahead and pull that parking brake, it's okay to put it in gear you want to turn it off. So essentially, you've got your parking brake on, you've turned it off.

Cutter 24:35
Shouldn't go anywhere.

Stacy 24:36
It should be sitting right there and you're good to go. So I am up on a Saturday morning it's probably 11:30 in the morning. I'm halfway through feeding this large quantity of horses.

Cutter 24:49
Yeah.

Stacy 24:49
In various pastures and making sure they all have water.

Cutter 24:52
Sure.

Stacy 24:53
I have opened a gate. I am trucking through in the John Deere Gator. I have closed the gate

Cutter 24:58
Amazing.

Stacy 24:58
I have visited my little Free friends giving them treats, goodies, hay. Made sure they have water. I'm trucking back through that gate. I've got my Gator parked. I've got my parking brake engaged. I've done it turned it off. I've done all the things. Lock in that gate. Yep, turn around. Holy mother of, there is a John Deere Gator about an inch from me. And it's about to squish me into a fence.

Cutter 25:20
That's bad.

Stacy 25:21
It was not good, cuz, well, I don't know how much they weigh.

Cutter 25:26
It's not very little.

Stacy 25:28
It's not very little. And you know, we've already talked about the fact that I look a little prissy and people think I wouldn't be doing this anyway. So it's not like I've got the brute strength to stop this sucker if I tried right?

Cutter 25:38
Sure, sure.

Stacy 25:39
Yes, and so I turn around. And because it's off, it's silent, I can't hear it. It just,

Cutter 25:44
very sneaky,

Stacy 25:45
Very slowly rolled back loaded with hay

Cutter 25:47
Of course, oh even heavier.

Stacy 25:49
Yeah, yeah and by the time I look up, it's gonna squish me. So my first reaction is I need to make sure I can get out of this. So I stick my arm in front of my stomach. The back of the tailgate hits, I hear a pop and a snap.

Cutter 26:04
Oh my gosh.

Stacy 26:06
We have broken our arm.

Cutter 26:07
Yep.

Stacy 26:08
But I've created enough enough room to be able to drag my leg and pull it out.

Cutter 26:12
Oh, ow ow ow.

Stacy 26:14
Between the Gator in the fence.

Cutter 26:16
Amazing. And so the Gator then I assume rolled the last six inches into the fence or whatever.

Stacy 26:20
It wasn't even 6 inches at that point. I mean, it's just you know, the width of my leg squished.

Cutter 26:24
Sure sure, squished. Of course, this is not this is not tennis ball leg.

Stacy 26:28
Yeah, this is like squish, squished skinny leg. So we're like three or four inches and then it settles up against the fence.

Cutter 26:34
Geez. Okay, Wow.

Stacy 26:36
You know, I'm out in the boonies. We've had this discussion so it's good cuz I did not say nice words.

Cutter 26:43
Oh, yeah. No, I don't blame you at all.

Stacy 26:45
No, I think I taught the horses a whole level of vocabulary. So now I'm confronted with the decision that I kind of described a little bit earlier I have a friend who can't go anywhere because she's needing help which is why I'm there

Cutter 26:59
Which is why you're there in the first place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stacy 27:01
I've got my wrist that does not look right. Things are not where they belong. very obvious that it's broken. And I got that raspberry I was talking about earlier.

Cutter 27:10
Yeah, yeah.

Stacy 27:10
It's hurting me, it aint' feelin real good but it's not my primary problem

Cutter 27:14
Little Stinger, bigger fish

Stacy 27:16
little stinger, totally convinced my arms my problem.

Cutter 27:18
Yeah, I've got a question. How far away are you from you know your your home base will your you know, your farm house, whatever your main part of the farm is?

Stacy 27:29
So you have to drive, you have to, its far. You got to get back on the Gator. And drive.

Cutter 27:36
Yes. The murder Gator.

Stacy 27:38
Yeah, the murder gator.

Cutter 27:38
That has just tried to kill you.

Stacy 27:39
Yeah, kinda like the murder horse.

Cutter 27:40
Yes.

Stacy 27:42
Yeah.

Cutter 27:42
Sure.

Stacy 27:43
Yeah. So you so, I got to get back on the Gator.

Cutter 27:45
Okay.

Stacy 27:46
And you know, I got to open and close a couple more fences along the way.

Cutter 27:49
Oh, good. That's so I'm so glad. Uh huh.

Stacy 27:53
Yeah. And then I got to get in my truck and go find me an urgent care. You know, the googling and the hunting and

Cutter 27:59
Right of course.

Stacy 28:00
And then drive what turns out to be about 12 miles to the urgent care

Cutter 28:03
Yep.

Stacy 28:03
Because all of this because it seems that I did not properly engage the parking brake.

Cutter 28:07
Interesting. I was gonna ask if you had any idea what the issue was.

Stacy 28:11
All I can assume is that I did not get the brake pulled like I thought I did.

Cutter 28:14
Interesting. Were you on like a big hill or was it just like I mean, it was enough of a hill for it to roll back atcha.

Stacy 28:20
I mean there was a hill but I mean, if you go back and look, it looks looks level but clearly there's some kind of incline there

Cutter 28:26
Sure.

Stacy 28:26
That has caused said Gator to

Cutter 28:28
Maybe it was just like the weight distribution. You know.

Stacy 28:30
Probably

Cutter 28:31
Interesting.

Stacy 28:32
Yeah.

Cutter 28:32
And you just got flattened between a Gator and a Fence.

Stacy 28:32
The tailgate of a Gator and a fence, and you know that moment of Oh, shit. Oh, what am I gonna do now? Yeah.

Cutter 28:44
Oh, yeah, totally. Totally. I can imagine that very, like slow mo like action movie moment of you like whip around and see it like, barreling down atcha

Stacy 28:55
Yep.

Cutter 28:55
I mean, barreling, you know,

Stacy 28:57
yeah,

Cutter 28:57
rolling down a hill, but it's heavy enough.

Stacy 28:59
Yeah.

Cutter 28:59
Wow,

Stacy 29:00
Although having an irate stallion kicking his guts out and being very unhappy with you in his stall. Also not ideal.

Cutter 29:06
No, no, neither of those things are I would conjecture good. Because we're talking about a pretty significant injury. So you Yeah, you drove the murder Gator?

Stacy 29:16
Yeah, drove on murder Gator back to my truck, got into my truck, drove the 12 miles by myself to the urgent care and then this is where we're kind of picking up the story that we talked about earlier.

Cutter 29:26
this is where the stories meet back so you.

Stacy 29:27
This is where the stories meet back.

Cutter 29:29
interesting so the fundamental right, so and I enjoy the fact that the origin is the the big difference because I think that's the fun

Stacy 29:36
Yes, this may make that my little incident here a little different from your other stories because they culminate in the same end

Cutter 29:42
Yeah, you're telling two different stories about the same thing and one of them is true and one of those not but they're both about the same event, which I think is is fascinating. I really like that. I think that's very good.

Stacy 29:54
And they both resulted in a broken wrist which I am very thankful to say I have evaded surgery on.

Cutter 30:02
Wow.

Stacy 30:02
We have another appointment on Thursday, but we think it's gonna line up nicely on its own and I will be okay.

Cutter 30:07
Sure, sure.

Stacy 30:08
And I have had, you know, said nasty hematoma which made my leg turn black and now it's slowly turning shades of green and yellow.

Cutter 30:17
Oh, of course, why not.

Stacy 30:18
Although It's really gross though cutter. It's nasty because we're where the hematoma was like, really tall and big.

Cutter 30:23
Yeah.

Stacy 30:24
It's starting to flatten out and now it's starting to expand and take up like,

Cutter 30:27
So now it's less, it's like wider, but

Stacy 30:30
Not as tall

Cutter 30:30
Shorter. Yeah, okay, interesting.

Stacy 30:31
Because all that hemorrhage blood has to go somewhere so it absorbs back into your system.

Cutter 30:37
Oh, yeah. That tracks, Yeah, why not? Amazing. So you got crushed by a john deere Gator, stuck between a fence gate and a little ATV truck.

Stacy 30:48
That's the story.

Cutter 30:49
Amazing. Thank you so much. Well, those are two fascinating stories about the same injury. It's such an interesting way to go about this show. And it's the first time we've seen it. I'm very excited. Because when I first saw it on you, it would have been like two ish weeks ago. I was aghast because it was terrible. It looks very good today. I mean, honestly, it looked from from then to now it's it's gone down a lot, which is very nice. But it is it is gnarly. It's a very, I'm very excited to know the origin of it, because it has been kept a secret from me for so long.

Stacy 31:28
It has not failed to gross you out though.

Cutter 31:29
Oh, no, it's very gross. But I think that's, you know, kind of in the nature of the thing.

Stacy 31:35
So what are you thinking?

Cutter 31:36
Well, that's my problem is I find the, I find the the stallion story. I feel like that's true. And I think I would argue that it's more likely to be true. Because I think I know you. You're very, you're very good at everything that you do.

Stacy 32:02
Clearly not.

Cutter 32:01
Well, except for this one time. I feel like, like in the first story, nothing you did was wrong. You didn't, there was no, there was no fault of your own versus in that second story. You put a parking brake on wrong. And I find honestly, I find it hard to believe that you would, that I mean, obviously you thought you did the right thing and you know, whatever happened happened, right? I'm compelled by the fact that you did nothing wrong on the first one and that I really just honestly, I like that a bad horse squished you. I think that's way funnier than like, I mean, yes, it's a gator and you can say that.

Stacy 32:37
Yeah.

Cutter 32:38
Um, but like, I mean, it's it's a bit it's a tiny truck versus a large horse. So I think I'm going to, I'm going to go for the first one I am gonna say that you did get squished in a door by an angry stallion.

Stacy 32:51
So you're going murder Stallion.

Cutter 32:53
I am going murder Stallion over murder Gator. I'm gonna say that first story is true.

Stacy 32:56
Okay, so am I supposed to let you know?

Cutter 33:00
Yes, please.

Stacy 33:01
Are you ready?

Cutter 33:01
Yes.

Stacy 33:02
Murder Gator.

Cutter 33:03
Really?

Stacy 33:04
It's a murder Gator.

Cutter 33:05
Amazing. So

Stacy 33:07
Totally got squished

Cutter 33:08
amazing.

Stacy 33:09
By a john deere Gator.

Cutter 33:11
That's so awesome.

Stacy 33:12
And then a fence.

Cutter 33:13
Wow.

Stacy 33:14
Now you're not too far off because the whole stallion story is true.

Cutter 33:18
Really?

Stacy 33:19
I just didn't get squished in the thing.

Cutter 33:20
Oh, interesting.

Stacy 33:22
I mean he would, The horse was freaking out.

Cutter 33:24
Right right.

Stacy 33:24
But he let me put the water in and then he you know

Cutter 33:27
Oh, wow.

Stacy 33:28
So I was able to do all the things and no thing that happened he didn't slam a door but

Cutter 33:32
And this was like the same week you were there?

Stacy 33:34
It was the night before.

Cutter 33:35
Oh my goodness.

Stacy 33:36
10 o'clock the night before and then you gotta feed them. Feed and water them twice a day.

Cutter 33:41
Yeah, yeah, totally.

Stacy 33:42
And then the next round was you know, Horsey breakfast.

Cutter 33:45
Oh, good. Gosh. Wow. That's so good. Well, I don't feel as bad considering most of that happened then the like the lights didn't turn on and

Stacy 33:54
It's true. All of that. The lights did not turn on. I was trying to use my apple my iPhone.

Cutter 34:00
Hey, you lived

Stacy 34:01
I did

Cutter 34:02
didn't get squished in the door

Stacy 34:03
but the murder, the murder horse was there.

Cutter 34:05
Was there that fear of getting squished in the door?

Stacy 34:07
Yeah, cuz he was mad.

Cutter 34:08
Sure. Sure.

Stacy 34:08
He was definitely mad, it was dark and he was scared. You know? He was

Cutter 34:11
Right, totally.

Stacy 34:11
It was dark and I had a flashlight.

Cutter 34:13
Yeah.

Stacy 34:14
You know, horses. They get nervous.

Cutter 34:15
Yeah, they're not

Stacy 34:16
Around things they don't understand.

Cutter 34:17
Yeah, they're not big on flashlights.

Stacy 34:18
Yeah.

Cutter 34:18
So how did you come up with this second, I mean, obviously, I think yeah, that most of that makes sense. Was it just like that logical next step of like, yeah, this like basically happened. I'll just

Stacy 34:27
yeah, I figured I could sell it.

Cutter 34:29
Uh, yeah, you totally did.

Stacy 34:30
Because it was pretty true.

Cutter 34:31
Amazing

Stacy 34:32
It was true except that for the fact that it didn't squish me.

Cutter 34:33
Right. Oh, that's perfect. And so you truly just Gator her backed up into you in the fence.

Stacy 34:37
Straight up. I apparently did not pull the parking brake properly and

Cutter 34:44
Too much confidence in you, you know,

Stacy 34:46
It rolled back and squished me.

Cutter 34:48
Wow. Well.

Stacy 34:49
After it broke my wrist.

Cutter 34:50
After it broke your wrist. What can you do? At least you got your leg out and then you got to drive yourself to the urgent care

Stacy 34:57
I did. But I think now that people know the story as I tell it and my friends and all hear it. That's the part that people are like. What did you did? You did what?

Yeah, that's not

You drove youself 12 miles to the urgent care.

Cutter 35:10
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that. That's like I know you pretty well, that's not surprising to me. Like, honestly of everything that you said in most of those stories. That's the thing I had the least trouble believing. I was like, Yeah, she would, she would totally just drive herself to the urgent care.

Stacy 35:25
I'm fairly

Cutter 35:26
Amazing. Yo, yeah, you're very independent.

Stacy 35:28
So you know, this is this is what I would I do in my you know,

Cutter 35:33
In your free time.

Stacy 35:34
extra time.

Cutter 35:35
Extra time.

Stacy 35:35
Yeah.

Cutter 35:36
Go get squished by Gators. And

Stacy 35:38
yeah, they could be you know, all I have to tell somebody is you know what happened to you, a gator got me

Cutter 35:43
Gator got me. That's true. I like that. Gator got me. That's funny. That's really good. Amazing. Well, we're gonna take a quick break, because you need to listen to my two stories and make your own guess. Don't worry, you'll do great. Hey, real quick. While Stacey is listening to my stories. If you like the podcast, be sure to hit the subscribe button wherever you're listening, whether that's on Spotify, Google podcasts, or wherever else you get your podcasts so you'll never miss an episode. Also, just so that you all remember my two stories. Here's a quick recap. In my first story, I had a friend get his hand crushed by the blinds in his dorm room on the night before one of my finals. And I had to take him to the hospital that night, then almost slept through my final the next day. In my second story, I got to talking to a potential friend in a pre college zoom event, only to find out that it was her mom pretending to be her. But it still worked out because her mom recommended to her daughter that we be friends. Alright, with all that out of the way. Let's jump back into the action. Well, those are my two stories. Stacy, what do you think?

Stacy 36:40
Ah, cutter cutter cutter. I have known you since you were just a tiny child.

Cutter 36:44
That is true. That is true.

Stacy 36:46
How am I gonna figure this out?

Cutter 36:48
Well, everyone else has has made their guesses with plenty of differing reasons. So there's there's definitely covered and uncovered ground. But what are your thoughts on the stories?

Stacy 36:59
Well, I think they're both very plausible, you know, given my own, you know, urgent care and injury.

Cutter 37:06
Right, right.

Stacy 37:07
I very much identify with I believe it was Justin in that story

Cutter 37:11
Yeah justin.

Stacy 37:11
So.

Cutter 37:11
yeah, yeah, you're definitely nodding along and agreeing, kind of in general

Stacy 37:15
I totally feel like a, you know, window blind could have crushed Justin's hand, you know, a murder blind.

Cutter 37:22
Sure. Sure.

Stacy 37:25
Moving on with that theme.

Cutter 37:26
of course. Of course.

Stacy 37:27
Yeah. I mean, I totally believe that. Your second story about grace and her mom.

Cutter 37:32
Yeah. Yeah.

Stacy 37:33
That also seems like something that would happen to you.

Cutter 37:38
it all seems like something that would happen to me. So yeah,

Stacy 37:41
I don't find that implausible, either.

Cutter 37:44
Sure.

Stacy 37:44
So

Cutter 37:44
You're, you're a mother,

Stacy 37:46
I am

Cutter 37:47
Would you do that? Would you, I mean, if if your son My best friend asked you to go on a zoom for him.

Stacy 37:53
Mm hmm. I mean, if it was something super, super important. I don't know. It's hard to know. In that situation. I probably would have

Cutter 38:00
Sure

Stacy 38:01
I will stick up for Grace's mom, because I feel in that situation when you're not sure it's before school and all that scholarship stuff.

Cutter 38:09
Right. That's not that's not you know a knock at her at all.

Stacy 38:09
I totally understand, but I can see I would have faked that.

Cutter 38:14
Sure. Sure. I and would have would you have told them if you had met somebody cool. Would you have been like,

Stacy 38:19
Oh, for sure. I also probably would have chewed his ass out for not getting his schedule straightened out on the front end.

Cutter 38:24
Sure. Sure. You know, I mean, but that's that's, you know,

Stacy 38:27
yeah,

Cutter 38:27
neither here nor there.

Stacy 38:28
But Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would totally be like yeah, you need to you need to talk to this kid when you get there.

Cutter 38:33
Both of these stories are very relatable for you for different reasons.

Stacy 38:36
They are one I personally identify with. And the other I'm like, Yeah, I guess I could see that. Okay, so I really don't have any follow ups. I'm a go with a gut kind of girl. Mmm hmm. I'm just gonna pick one

Cutter 38:49
Yeah, totally good, take your time no worries.

Stacy 38:56
The only thing that you know you're throwing in there about the whole you almost slept through your final

Cutter 38:59
Yeah, yeah. Doesn't seem like me does it?

Stacy 39:02
No but you would do anything to help a friend.

Cutter 39:05
I would that is true.

Stacy 39:07
So I'm gonna go with that is your true story.

Cutter 39:08
You're gonna say the first story is true about Justin? I have you're more than welcome to use this information as you will I have, This is the sixth the seventh episode The sixth to feature a guest, You're my sixth guest. The other five people that have come on have all guesses that story 2 is true.

Stacy 39:29
Realize I did listen to the first podcast all the way through. So I did know that the first one went that way but everybody? I haven't caught up to all the others.

Cutter 39:37
Yeah, no, no worries.

Stacy 39:38
So everybody is going with first story.

Cutter 39:40
No, everyone's going with the second story is true.

Stacy 39:42
I'm the only one going first story.

Cutter 39:44
You are

Stacy 39:44
Okay. We'll see if my gut check is right or wrong at the end of the season,

Cutter 39:48
Yeah. Hey, you got to wait till the end of season. Will you stand alone in victory? Or will you be the one person because as I've had this discussion with other guests, it's it would be truly the most Dramatic for everyone to have been right or everyone to have been wrong, right. But I think you're doing all the collective guests a great service here by making sure, hey your not batting zero. and I know that's not your reasoning, but at the very least you're not batting zero.

Stacy 40:15
Yeah. So and I have to say I identify with it. Yeah, it also makes me think back to my college days at Texas a&m many years ago, because, you know, back in the day, way too many years ago, I almost missed an exam.

Cutter 40:28
Really? Oh, pray tell.

Stacy 40:30
you could not back in whatever this was 1993 or four whatever year.

Cutter 40:37
Sure

Stacy 40:38
You know there was no online. I'm gonna brush my teeth and pop onto my take my take my final. No, I literally stayed up all night studying for a journalism exam. Because that was my minor.

Cutter 40:50
Sure.

Stacy 40:51
And it was a big one. And I overslept. I did not set my alarm. And I woke up and I lived a good 10 minute drive from campus and then you got to park and then you gotta run into the building

Cutter 41:03
Oh my gosh, yeah, that's horrifying.

Stacy 41:04
I Literally opened my eyeballs with five minutes to get to campus.

Cutter 41:07
That seems like too few.

Stacy 41:09
It was not cool. I go I did not you know me miss priss who always goes dressed and hair fixed. Literally in her jammies gets in her grand Jeep Cherokee Laredo flies her butt to campus.

Cutter 41:20
Oh, yeah, totally.

Stacy 41:22
Blows the door open and just looks at the professor like, oh, dear God, please let me take this test. There's like, there was a small class because it was an upper level class.

Cutter 41:31
Right.

Stacy 41:31
Yeah. 20 of us.

Cutter 41:33
Geez.

Stacy 41:33
Let me take the exam. I got my old school blue book out which I'll see a little blue notebook, blue cover called the Blue Book. The writing exam. Had to like put pen to Paper.

Cutter 41:46
Yeah, well, I have to do that. Thank you very much. That's crazy. Wow.

Stacy 41:50
I did make the exam I did get an A in the class. They did. Let me take it but

Cutter 41:54
amazing. Hey, that's all that counts.

Stacy 41:56
I think all that together has led me to go with poor Justin and his hand and your almost missed exam.

Cutter 42:01
Yeah. Hey, biases is wonderful thing? Is that the only reason? Anything else anything? That's fair. Hey, no.

Stacy 42:08
It just seems like one of those crisis things that would happen.

Cutter 42:10
Yeah, it really does. Well, wonderful. Thank you. Yes. I'm so glad that you're taking a stand here for us. And for all the guests.

Stacy 42:17
Yes.

Cutter 42:18
Amazing. Well, thank you so much. Well, thank you so much for joining me. I think today, we learned that there are no murders Stallions in your midst. But you can always say that Gator gotcha worst comes to worse. Well, thank you very much, Stacy for joining me. Where can listeners find more of you?

Stacy 42:35
Well, you know, I don't really have much of a presence outside of my work and home life. So my, my recommendation would be folks, tune into your show and continue to listen to these awesome episodes.

Cutter 42:46
Ah, well, thank you so much. Hey, mom at heart.

Stacy 42:48
Absolutely.

Cutter 42:50
Not even my mom. So sweet. Thank you so much. Well, that's amazing. Thank you for joining me.

Stacy 42:56
Thanks for having me.

Cutter 42:57
That will do it for this episode. Our Intro Music is pop nugget offer compositions 2 used under the Creative Commons license found on Free Music Archive our outro music is vintage news off of reduction music used under the Creative Commons license also found on Free Music Archive. I've been cutter. This has been You'll never believe me but and thank you all for listening. Good day and good night.

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Cutter 0:00
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everyone. My name is Cutter, though you may know me as three beers in a coat on air on HD one, and welcome to this episode of, You'll never believe me, But. You'll never believe me, but is a storytelling podcast being produced here at WKNC about lying to me, every episode I have a guest on, they tell me two stories, one real and one fake. And I have to decide which is real between them. For those of you that are new here, or for those of you that need a quick refresher, I'm going to run down the three rules we have here. Before we get into today's episode. Rule number one, your story should not do significant damage to anyone else or their character. We're not trying to be outwardly mean to anyone other than ourselves. Rule number two, if someone else is featured in the story, you must either have their permission to say their name or use a fake name for them. You agreed to come on the show and tell these stories. But unless they agreed to have these stories told, just use a fake name. And rule number three, and this is the easiest one. All stories should start with: You'll never believe me but and then a brief synopsis before starting the story, just so that we all know what we're getting into, and as a nice little nod to the show's title. So with all that housekeeping stuff out of the way, let's go ahead and get into today's episode. Today's guest is Caitlin WKNC, DJ content creator and all around awesome person that I have wanted to have on my show for a while. Caitlin, how are you doing?

Caitlin 1:27
I'm good. How are you?

Cutter 1:29
I'm doing wonderful. I'm so glad to get you in the studio because you were here a lot. But I don't see you around. I think our hours just don't line up.

Caitlin 1:36
Yeah, I just I kind of float around. I'm, I'm so awkward. I'm very active in the discord. But when I come in here, like I kind of just do my thing. And then I leave like I rarely ever say hi to anybody unless like they say hi to me because I don't, I feel like I'm intruding. Like sometimes I'll say hi to Jamie. Sure. Lovely advisor, but I kind of just float in, float out.

Cutter 1:57
Yeah

Caitlin 1:57
You know how it is

Cutter 1:57
Absolutely no, I do the same thing. I come in and I come in, you're now in my little cave that I basically every time I show up, I say hi to Jamie normally cuz she's right out there on the way in. We'll chat for a few minutes. And then I will close the door and sit here and edit or record or do whatever in my little cave. And it's so nice. Well, I'm honored to have you on you are a phenomenal storyteller in writing. Because you write a lot of the blog posts that we have at WKNC

Caitlin 2:25
Thank you. Yeah, I am a content creator here for the blog. Um, I don't know, it's always just come naturally to me. I love telling stories. But when I tell them out loud, I'm like, notorious for like going back and be like, wait, but I forgot. I have to tell like this whole backstory. So I have practice telling my story today so that I have it in somewhat of a linear order. I was like doing it to my roommate, like over and over again last night while she was cleaning her room, and she was like, I've heard these stories a million times and I was like sorry. But yeah, writing is my preferred medium but..

Cutter 2:57
sure.

Caitlin 2:58
You know, it's always fun to try something new.

Cutter 3:01
I'm glad that you'll try something new. I've been reading a lot of your blog posts in preparation just to get a glimpse. And it's I don't know, I'm just very excited to have you on because if it's anything like your writing, I am super stoked. To have you tell me these stories.

Caitlin 3:15
Thank you. I appreciate it.

Cutter 3:16
Yeah, no pressure, but

Caitlin 3:18
no pressure. But if your stories aren't good, your fired

Cutter 3:20
but if you're, yeah, I can't fire you are way above me on that chain. I'm pretty sure you could fire me if you really wanted to.

Caitlin 3:28
I don't think so. Maybe.

Cutter 3:30
we won't explore that. Well, unless you have any questions for me. I'd say let's just jump into your stories.

Caitlin 3:37
Okay.

Cutter 3:38
All right. Caitlin. Take it away.

Caitlin 3:41
You'll never believe me. But one time I served Panthers player Luke Kuechly at a restaurant and I didn't realize it was him.

Cutter 3:48
Oh my goodness. Okay. I'm gonna be honest with you I'm a big Panthers fan. I love football. I have grown up being a Panthers fan. And Luke Kuechly was my idol when I played football for like a few years in middle school or sorry, a year in middle school. So I am That's amazing. By the way. Yeah, please. How do we get there?

Caitlin 4:08
Yeah, so in high school, I worked at this like, restaurant obviously. I worked at this restaurant, it was like a quick service restaurant, kind of like a Panera type setup. Like you walk in, you go up to register, somebody takes your order. They give you like a number or a pager. You sit down and then we bring your food out to you

Cutter 4:28
Amazing sure.

Caitlin 4:29
So it's not like a waiter or waitress type situation,

Cutter 4:31
Right.

Caitlin 4:32
And in this particular shift, I'm, I'm working at the end register Oh, and I should say, um, I work in a shopping center that was right across from another shopping center that had a bouji gym. Okay, and people would come in in work out clothes and athleisure all the time.

Cutter 4:50
Sure, sure. Yeah.

Caitlin 4:51
So, you know, something I was used to and not something I was super ever fazed by

Cutter 4:56
right and where'd you go to high school?

Caitlin 4:58
Um, I am from Charlotte so I went to high school at Ardey Kell.

Cutter 5:02
Oh, hey, I know I have family who went Ardey Kell so awesome.

Caitlin 5:06
Wow. Okay, we can talk about that later.

Cutter 5:07
Yeah absolutely.

Caitlin 5:10
So I yeah, so I was used to the gym people coming in at that end register so like, it would be odd for like somebody else working like on the line to like come up to me to talk to me because we're kind of busy it was like dinner time and I was kinda like off like a little bit to the side like just by myself right so I'm taking people's orders and stuff. This gym bro

Cutter 5:35
Sure yeah,

Caitlin 5:36
Very buff

Cutter 5:36
yeah

Caitlin 5:37
comes up. I don't think anything of it. I take his order. You know, he gives me his credit card. I swipe it, I give it back, whatever, like normal interaction

Cutter 5:46
Yeah totally.

Caitlin 5:46
And whatever. I'm just I take a few more orders. 5-10 minutes later, my coworker comes up to me. And there's like, Caitlin, I guess what I'm gonna say? Like, what? Like, why are you over here? Like, I have people waiting, like, I need to take orders. And they're like, Caitlin like, you took Luke Kuechly order, like, Do you know who Luke Kuechly is? And I'm like, Yeah, I know who Luke Kuechly is. I don't live under a rock. I did a little bit because I'm from Charlotte. And I didn't really know what he looked like. Like, which. I'm bad with faces. Um, and, like, I mean, I know who Luke Kuechly is like, I grew up in Charlotte, but like,

Cutter 6:21
you're working like you've got other things on your mind. I would imagine. That's not you. Don't look at everyone. You go. Hmm. Are you someone famous? Yeah. Like he wasn't like, it's not like he's in his like, Kuechly's jersey like maybe then I would have been like that's luke Kuechly. But it was like, I don't know.

He's just in like clothes. Yeah.

Caitlin 6:36
It was like a regular guy. So I was like, Oh my gosh, like, Who was it? Like, and they're like it like, is this the ticket? And I was like, Oh, yeah, like that guy. Like, did order like fried rice. And they like point over to him and I'm like, Oh, yeah. And he was just like, eating with I don't know, a friend, maybe a family member? I don't remember that. Well, yeah. But my favorite part of this is that like, I got to like text my family and be like, I took Luke Kuechly, like I sneakily like, snuck my phone out the register. Yeah, guys, guess what, like, I took Luke Kuechly's order. And they're like, oh, like, Did you like say hi? No. I didn't recognize him, so i made the normal small talk, but not anything. Panthers related. And he was still playing at this point. Like he hadn't yet retired.

Cutter 7:18
Oh, this is was like, yeah, this

Caitlin 7:20
This was like a few years ago.

Cutter 7:22
Wow.

Caitlin 7:23
And um, there's also a kid in my history class. Big Panthers fan.

Cutter 7:27
Sure, sure.

Caitlin 7:28
Me and him had a little bit of class beef.

Cutter 7:31
Oh, yeah totally.

Caitlin 7:32
And I come in the next day. Like, we're like, frenemies, kind of And then

Cutter 7:36
I've got friends like that.

Caitlin 7:37
So I come in and I'm like Hey, buddy, guess what? He's like, what, Caitlin? And I'm like, I took Luke Kuechly's order last night at insert restaurant.

Cutter 7:47
Sure.

Caitlin 7:47
And he was like, No way like, No, you didn't oh my gosh, like, like, he like starts freaking out. And I was like, you want to know something else? He's like, what I was like, I didn't recognize him. And he was like so mad. And I was like hm like, I felt like better than him for a second I was like, I met your fave. And I didn't even realize it was him. But I was like, my family like makes fun of me. That's one of the stories that like comes up at like, like family like dinners

Cutter 8:17
Sure, sure.

Caitlin 8:18
Yeah. Anyways, that's that's my first story. I took Luke Kuechly's order. I didn't realize it was him

Cutter 8:24
didn't even realize it. That's amazing. I mean, I get that though. Like, I don't know, you're if you're at work, there's a whole different mindset that you're in. I totally get that.

Caitlin 8:32
Yeah.

Cutter 8:33
Was that if that was was that like near the end of your shift?

Caitlin 8:37
I wish I like even remember it was I remember it being busy. Which could be because I would work from like, four or five to like close, which was like, nine or ten

Cutter 8:49
Oh, sure. Yeah.

Caitlin 8:50
And, um, after like, 5:30 we were pretty much like busy for the rest of the night. Yeah. And I remember it being busy. Because I remember being like, Why are you coming up to talk to me? Like we have things to be doing? when like the worker came up to me. But I don't remember what time I.

Cutter 9:07
That's That's all right.

Caitlin 9:08
Yeah.

Cutter 9:09
No, I don't blame you at all. I think that's hilarious. I've got a I've got a I won't dive into it. Now. I'll tell you later. Okay. But I do have a similar story with a Panthers player and family of mine who lived in Charlotte. And yeah, to give the brief synopsis my uncle ran into a Panthers player who lied to him and told him it was his parents anniversary, and got him to call my grandparents and wish them happy anniversary. And it was just like, you know, some random day for them. But amazing. Yeah, yeah.

Caitlin 9:38
Wow.

Cutter 9:39
Absolutely so Yeah. Hey, Charlotte is the is the home of the Carolina Panthers makes sense that you'd bump into eventually. That's amazing. I'm not gonna lie. I'm very jealous of you.

Caitlin 9:48
Well, if you met him, you would have recognized him.

Cutter 9:51
I'd like to think so.

Caitlin 9:53
99% sure

Cutter 9:53
But I mean, I don't know if he if he showed up at my work. I think I would be I think I think I would be a little bit glossed over it to realize Yeah, especially like because I added you know, I don't work in service I yeah, I work like at a summer camp, but even still, I look at the parents and I'm like, I get one glance, and I'm like, Alright, I know basically who you are. And I don't need to know anything else.

Yeah, yeah. So I don't blame you at all. Well, that's hilarious. Very sad. Did you like go up to him after was that a you were just like, oh, he's just over there. Now. It's

Caitlin 10:21
I was like like, I didn't like, like, I cared Like, it was cool. But like, I didn't like, want to, like, take a picture with him or anything. And like, we're busy and I would have like, been yelled at and like,

Cutter 10:31
Oh, sure.

Caitlin 10:32
It's like a common thing around Charlotte to just like, see Panthers, players places. Not that I'm ever aware. But like sometimes, like, my family be at her theater, and my sister would nudge me and be like, I mean, not often, but she's like, that's, he was on the Panthers. And I'm like,I don't know who that like, I know the names of like, 3 Panthers players. Luke Kuechly just happened to be one of them because he's good.

Cutter 10:52
Yeah, totally. Yeah. Amazing. Well, that is hilarious. And very sad. I do see that coming up a lot. I don't know if your family is much like mine, but they just constantly bring up any embarrassing story. They can.

Caitlin 11:03
Yeah, yup.

Cutter 11:04
Amazing.

Caitlin 11:05
Yeah, we're all constantly trying to throw each other under the bus.

Cutter 11:09
very relatable. Yeah, amazing. Well, thank you so much.

Caitlin 11:13
You'll never believe me. But I rode the Ferris wheel with glee actor Darren Criss.

Cutter 11:20
So it's all celebrities.

Caitlin 11:22
Yes, this is a celebrity themed episode.

Cutter 11:24
This is a celebrity themed episode. Hey, I like the themed episodes. I think they're fun. So you rode a ferris wheel with glee actor. Amazing. Okay. Yeah, please. How do we get there? Yeah.

Caitlin 11:34
So, okay, I'm going to be using fake names in the story. So if I like trip up over myself, it's because I'm trying not to say a name

Cutter 11:40
Totally understood.

Caitlin 11:42
So my freshman year of high school I had, like, I made like a new friend group, you know, as you do you go into high school. Yeah, their names are Ana, Michelle and Rachel. And at the end of freshman year, our good friend Rachel told us that she was moving down to Atlanta, Georgia.

Cutter 11:59
Oh, wow. Okay.

Caitlin 12:00
Very sad for me. Sure. But yeah, she had to move because like her dad's job, and I was like, Oh, no. But like that led to periodically throughout high school. She would either come up to Charlotte or we would go down to Atlanta to like see each other?

Cutter 12:13
Yeah, amazing.

Caitlin 12:15
So, Sorry

Cutter 12:18
you're fine.

Caitlin 12:19
I am trying not to like, I keep thinking of their names. Okay.

Cutter 12:22
No you're totally fine.

Caitlin 12:27
So, we, one time the summer after my sophomore year, we're visiting her down in Atlanta and because Ana's brother had like a hockey tournament down there, it's not important,

Cutter 12:43
Right, sure.

Caitlin 12:44
Um, that meant that like her dad could like, drive us down there.

Cutter 12:49
Yeah, super convenient. Totally.

Caitlin 12:50
And there was also like a concert we wanted to see during this time

Cutter 12:54
Nice.

Caitlin 12:55
So we're like, oh, this works. So we're gonna go to this concert. It was a band called Laney they were playing that summer.

Cutter 13:00
Sure.

Caitlin 13:00
And, um, so we are staying for a few days before the concert A few days after the concert and then once her brother's hockey tournament is over we're gonna head back to Charlotte.

Cutter 13:12
Makes sense. Sure.

Caitlin 13:13
And so we're doing like, touristy Atlanta thing. And there's a Farris Wheel in Atlanta that is popular for tourists to go because like, you get like a good view, or whatever.

Cutter 13:24
Makes sense. Yeah.

Caitlin 13:26
And so we like drive up, or her dad takes us to the Ferris Wheel because we're like, we still sophmores so still don't have a license. And so we're waiting in line for this Ferris wheel. And then my friend, Michelle, she gets like, she's getting nervous about it, because she doesn't like enclosed spaces. And

Cutter 13:46
Ahh gotcha.

Caitlin 13:46
And this ferris wheel has like the enclosed

Cutter 13:48
Oh, it's like, like a cave, like a little bubble or whatever,

Caitlin 13:51
It has like the enclosed cars, and she also doesn't really like heights. She's like, She's like, guys I don't know if I want to do this. And Rachel had been living in Atlanta,

Cutter 14:03
Right.

Caitlin 14:04
So she's like, okay, I'll sit it out with you, Michelle, Ana and Caitlin. Like, you can still go on and we're like, Are you sure? And they're like, it's fine. Like, we can catch up anyways.

Cutter 14:14
Sure.

Caitlin 14:14
So they like kind of like step out of line and me and Ana are still waiting. And so how they like you can sit anywhere from minimum four to maximum six people in a car. And they were trying to pack it like a, kind of like, like you would on like a roller coaster. Like it doesn't matter if like, you know, the people are not like we're gonna try and get minimum four people in a car,

Cutter 14:38
Right, just so that way they can keep it going. Make sense.

Caitlin 14:40
Yeah. And so there's there was like a party of two. So they're looking for another party of two, me and Ana were like we're a party of 2

Cutter 14:45
Amazing.

Caitlin 14:45
So we go and we get on the car and like I get my stuff situated. And Ana immediately start small talking, which is good because I'm shy. I don't like small talk. It makes me nervous. I'm like kind of just like looking at my feet. Like, while she she like, I remember she like complimented his shoes. She was like, I like your shoes.

Cutter 15:04
Wow.

Caitlin 15:05
Um, and it was like these two guys sitting across from us.

Cutter 15:07
Sure. Yeah.

Caitlin 15:09
And he's like, thank you and then they start talking about like, fashion stuff. I guess I don't really remember that well.

Cutter 15:15
Right.

Caitlin 15:15
Um, and then, so then the ride starts like, or not the ride the Ferris wheel starts like, going around like we're looking but we still want to like have a conversation because we don't want it to be awkward. And then I'm like looking at this guy. And I'm like,

Cutter 15:32
this, is this the guy that your friend complimented his shoes or the other guy? Okay. Sure

Caitlin 15:36
This is the shoes guy. I'm looking at shoes guy and this guy looks so familiar to me. And it takes about 15 seconds of me like staring at his face to be like, Oh my goodness. Like, I think this guy is Darren Criss. I just I had just watched Glee a few months earlier for the first time.

Cutter 15:51
Sure.

Caitlin 15:52
Um, yeah, that was February of my sophomore year. I watched glee.

Cutter 15:56
Sure

Caitlin 15:56
I remember, cuz it's a scarring experience. Glee's an awful show. Anyways.

Cutter 16:04
I'm gonna unpack that a bit later. But continue, please.

Caitlin 16:07
It's It's great but it's like terrible. Like you love to hate it and you hate love it anyways.

Cutter 16:12
Okay, sure. Yeah.

Caitlin 16:14
Um, yeah. So I'm like, looking at this guy. It's like, Darren Criss. I'm like, trying to get Ana's attention. Like, I'm trying to be like, do you think that but like, we're like, right near each other?

Cutter 16:24
Sure. Are you sitting like face to face with them?

Caitlin 16:26
Yeah. So it's us 2 on one side, and them two on the other side. Um, and I'm just thinking like, there's like, no way for me to know like to get closure about this. If I don't like come up with a scheme quick to ask if this is him, Yeah, totally. So I'm like, I realized we never even introduced ourselves. So I'm like, this is perfect

Cutter 16:44
Oh, my God. Yeah, absolutely.

Caitlin 16:45
I'm like, Oh, yeah, I'm like, Ana, or no, I'm like, this is my friend, Ana. I'm Caitlin. Like, what are your guys's names?

Yeah, super casual

Low and be hold. He goes. I'm Darren. Um, and this is my buddy, Mike. Sure. I'm like, Hi, Darren. Like, Hi, Mike. I was like, Where are you guys from? This is my second leading question. Find out like, like, obviously, somebody named Darren, like, that's not a super common name. And it already looks like Darren Criss. But I needed confirmation.

Cutter 17:15
You need one more, one more point.

Caitlin 17:16
So um, and when I watch a show, like I look up all the cast members. So I remember been from California. He's from San Francisco, but he just he ends up saying, Oh, I'm from California. So is my buddy Mike, like, I'm in town visiting him. And I was like, oh, we're in town visiting our friend that lives in Atlanta.

Cutter 17:34
That's so crazy.

Caitlin 17:36
Yeah. So Mike was born in California and like, moved to Atlanta. So Darren was in town visiting him. And I was like, Okay, this is crazy. Like, forgive me if I'm wrong. But are you Darren Criss from the television show Glee?

Cutter 17:56
TV show, Glee.

Caitlin 17:58
And he's like, yeah, like I am. He's like, I was wondering if you guys were gonna recognize me, because like, you're like, kind of the target demographic for the show. I was like, I was like, I thought it was you. And Ana was like, Yeah, I thought it was you. But like, I wasn't sure. And I didn't want to, like make you uncomfortable or awkward. Because we're trapped in a ferris wheel car together.

Cutter 18:15
Right, right sure.

Caitlin 18:16
And I, we just like, talk and like, we like take, like a selfie or whatever. And then I remember I'm like, Oh my gosh, Michelle is such a huge fan.

Cutter 18:26
I was gonna ask. Yeah,

Caitlin 18:27
of Glee. I'm like, I cannot like have this experience and not like have Michelle like be a part of it.

Cutter 18:34
Absolutely. Totally fair. Yeah.

Caitlin 18:36
Hey, Darren. Now that we're on our first name basis, I'm like, Yeah, I probably didn't say hey, Darren, I was probably just like, hey, like, my friend. She's like, waiting out like, right outside like the line. Would you mind like going to like meet her like, take a picture with her like with her like, she loves you like, a lot. She loves the show. Like she loves Glee, amaze. And yes, like, of course, like he was so kind. Yeah, so I have actually have like a video of this. Like, he like walks up to her and is like, like, hey, and she's like, oh my god and like, will you take like pictures and stuff. And he ends up leaving and she's like, how did you get Darren Criss Because it's funny. The next summer me and Michelle actually went to a concert with Darren Criss and Leah Michelle, two stars of Glee who went on tour together. So she she really loves glee.

Cutter 19:30
Yeah,

Caitlin 19:30
It was her choice to go to the concert. I kind of tagged along because I had seen the show and I'm

Cutter 19:34
Right. And you're like, well, I met Darren Criss. So I may as well go. That's so good.

Caitlin 19:39
So um, it was a very exciting experience. Yeah, that was a time I rode the ferris wheel with Darren Criss from Glee.

Cutter 19:47
Amazing and you got him to come and take pictures with your big Glee fan friend.

Caitlin 19:52
Yes, yes. Rachel was also excited less so but she was like to meet a famous person but it was just weird because like, you're Atlanta, Georgia, like you're not in New York, you're not in LA.

Cutter 20:02
Yeah.

Caitlin 20:03
Your not expecting. like with my other story like you're not expecting to like, see somebody Yeah. Like, I was like, wow. Like I was like I recognize somebody cuz again, I'm so bad with like celebrity faces. sure if it's like who's a celebrity like Jimmy Fallon was like in the grocery store standing in the grocery store line like in front of me, I wouldn't I wouldn't recognize him because he's not sitting behind his little desk,

Cutter 20:32
right. To be fair Jimmy Fallon looks like, like 80% of people.

Caitlin 20:37
This is true.

Cutter 20:39
I feel like Jimmy Fallon is just like, he's just like, if you remove everything that he does, he's just a guy. No disrespect to that.

Caitlin 20:47
No I don't yeah. Jimmy Fallon is just a guy. I think that's what makes him appealing. I mean,

Cutter 20:52
yeah I get that.

Caitlin 20:54
I don't really find him that great.

Cutter 20:55
Whatever. Doesn't matter, anyway, doesn't matter. No, that's fair, though. Yeah.

Caitlin 20:59
I wasn't expecting to see. And I was like, and then after Ana, it was like, I was trying to get your attention. I was like, you're trying to get my attention, I was trying to get your attenting. So yeah,

Cutter 21:09
Oh, yeah.

Caitlin 21:09
That's my story.

Cutter 21:11
I'd like to think that if I'm Darren Criss sitting there, right. And you've gotten your shoes compliment. That's, that's great. Whatever. Right? If somebody asks me, right, if I was a famous person, somebody asked me and introduces themselves. And I'm like, so what are your guys's names? Like, in that way? I'd be like, Huh, I wonder where this is going?

Caitlin 21:31
Yeah. Yeah.

Cutter 21:32
I mean, where are you from? Really? I feel like there are more questions to ask than where are you from.

Caitlin 21:38
I am like so bad, like at small talk. Like I think you're over estimating, like,

Cutter 21:42
Sure. Sure.

Caitlin 21:43
I could ask like, what brings you to the area?

Cutter 21:45
Like, totally.

Caitlin 21:46
where are you from? Tell me the two facts about you that I remember from your Wikipedia.

Cutter 21:52
I have never asked a random person where they're from. I think I think I've only asked people that I like I'm already friends with where they're from.

Caitlin 22:01
Yeah, I don't. I don't. It was me thinking I was gonna be like a like little detective. was it slick. Probably not. I think he saw it coming.

Cutter 22:15
Yeah, I feel like once you I mean, there. I would assume there aren't a lot of Darren's from California that look like Darren Criss of Glee. That's so fun.

Caitlin 22:24
Apologies, If you're Darren, listening to this,

Cutter 22:26
Sorry any Darren's from California that looked like Darren Chris, who aren't Darren Criss, you're valid too. Amazing. That's so good. So a lot of not recognizing celebrities. Well, that's not true. About half and half.

Caitlin 22:38
Yeah, we got there eventually. In the second story,

Cutter 22:41
Hey that's what counts as long as you get there eventually amazing. What a what a productive trip down to Atlanta.

Caitlin 22:46
Yeah.

Cutter 22:47
that's awesome. Well, thank you so much, huh? Well, those were two amazing stories, Caitlin one about mistaking a celebrity entirely, and one about just managing to catch it at the last minute. That's amazing. Hey, I struggle with faces sometimes, too.

Caitlin 23:02
Yeah.

Cutter 23:02
And honestly, I don't blame me for either of them. Very impressed that you recognize Darren Criss, I think if I had watched a TV show over like, a few months ago, there's no chance I recognize anyone from that show. If that's the only place I know them from.

Caitlin 23:15
Yeah, yeah.

Cutter 23:17
That's astonishing. I'm just impressed. That's all. But now it is time for me to make my guess as to which of them is true. And the more I think about it, and I'm afraid to do this

Caitlin 23:28
okay.

Cutter 23:28
right.

Caitlin 23:29
Okay.

Cutter 23:29
because I really I like both stories. I think they're both wonderful. Right? And I think I'm scared because the last time I guess, based off of my experiences in relation to this story, I was wrong.

Caitlin 23:44
Okay,

Cutter 23:44
right. I've got that story where my uncle met a Panthers player, and he lives in Charlotte. I know, that's like a super common thing that happens with people.

Caitlin 23:53
Yeah.

Cutter 23:54
And so I mean, not, you know, super common, but it happens. That's what happens when you live in in Charlotte.

Caitlin 23:59
Yeah.

Cutter 24:00
And so that's very believable to me, especially, you know, just that whole story. And I really want to say that ones as true, because, but, okay, and here's my thing. Okay. Right. There was a lot of detail on that second story.

Caitlin 24:13
Yeah.

Cutter 24:14
You went into so much about what like, even why you were going to Atlanta?

Caitlin 24:20
Yeah.

Cutter 24:20
And you had all these reasons, and you knew how long you were staying.

Caitlin 24:23
Yeah.

Cutter 24:24
And you know, you had this whole setup with not going on the Ferris wheel. And my guess is that's all probably true.

Caitlin 24:30
Okay.

Cutter 24:31
Right. And I'm, I'm afraid to make this guess. Okay. Right. Because they're both amazing stories. And I like honestly, I like both of them. I think either one is so funny as a way to bump into a celebrity.

Caitlin 24:44
Yeah.

Cutter 24:44
Right. I really like being trapped on a ferris wheel with a with an actor.

Caitlin 24:51
Yeah.

Cutter 24:52
of a show that you had just watched recently.

Caitlin 24:55
Yeah.

Cutter 24:56
I don't know. I mean, they're both very compelling. I find them both very believable. Well, I think you know what, man, this is so tough. I did not think that I was gonna

Caitlin 25:09
I am so nervous for what your gonna guess.

Cutter 25:12
Don't be nervous. It's just for fun. Yeah, I mean, I'm keeping score. But that's just for me. That's because I have to guess every episode. Man, this is so tough, because I think most of both stories are true. And I think they're, you've either I think it'd be hilarious if you like substituted in like a different Panthers player. I think that would be the that'd be the funniest outcome.

Caitlin 25:33
Yeah,

Cutter 25:33
Far and away. I'm going to make I'm going to say that the Luke Kuechly story is not true.

Caitlin 25:41
Okay.

Cutter 25:41
and I've waffled on this a lot. And basically, I've just been vamping for the past, like 30 seconds,

Caitlin 25:46
I can tell

Cutter 25:47
To try to try to like, come up with my reasoning. Okay. And the only reason I'm going to say this, right. And truly, this is all I'm working with, is when I said I was a huge Panthers fan, you had this momentary reaction that to me looked a little like panic.

Caitlin 26:04
Yeah.

Cutter 26:05
As if I was going to catch you in something.

Caitlin 26:07
Yeah.

Cutter 26:07
That may or may not be true. And that may not be you know, as as visible to every listener. But at least for me, there was that brief moment that is truly all I'm going to go off of. And so instead of vamping some more and trying to you know, think through it any longer. I'm going to commit to it. I'm gonna say the Luke Kuechly story is true. And you totally did meet Darren Criss in a ferris wheel in Atlanta.

Caitlin 26:30
I have some bad news for you.

Cutter 26:31
No, don't do this to me. Caitlyn.

Caitlin 26:33
The Luke Kuechly story is true.

Cutter 26:36
Amazing. That's awesome.

Caitlin 26:38
Okay, so I looked panicked was because I was like, um, like, I didn't. I mean, I looked I did look panicked for a second. I was because I was like, I was like, he's gonna like, be like, Oh, you're like a fake charlatan But then he's nice. So like,

Cutter 26:55
Yeah,

Caitlin 26:55
but I was like, I'm gonna upset a Panthers fan.

Cutter 26:58
No, no,

Caitlin 26:59
no, I did. And like, that's the whole story.

Cutter 27:03
Amazing. Yeah, totally.

Caitlin 27:05
The Darren Criss story, I, a lot of parts of it are true. Sure. Sure. I never rode that Ferris wheel

Cutter 27:12
Really interesting?

Caitlin 27:13
We got in line and my friend, Michelle, she got nervous and we're like, okay, we just won't do it we'll go do something else.

Cutter 27:19
Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.

Caitlin 27:21
I don't know if Darren Criss has a friend named Mike. that lives in Atlanta. I've no idea why. Yeah, we did. I do have a friend named Rachel that moved down to Atlanta.

Cutter 27:31
Sure.

Caitlin 27:33
And like we did visit her. We did go see a concert in Atlanta. Not during the summer. It was during November, but I wanted the story to take place during the summer,

Cutter 27:42
Right. So you've just mixed a bunch of things together

Caitlin 27:45
On the way here, I realized that I had details about my friend Ana driving and I was like, Oh my gosh, she can't drive were.

Cutter 27:52
Right.

Caitlin 27:53
We're only like 15 at this point.

Cutter 27:54
Right.

Caitlin 27:54
So I had to like change that detail on the way over here. But yeah, um, I don't even know how I thought of it. I was telling the story to my roommate last night, she's like, how did you think of this? And I was like, I don't know. I knew I wanted it to be celebrity related,

Cutter 28:08
Right, make sense. Sure.

Caitlin 28:09
Because I had the Luke Kuechly story. And I just it came to me like it just called out to me. Um, I wish I met Darren Criss. I mean, not that much. He's a cool, dude.

Cutter 28:26
He's is in your story, at least.

Caitlin 28:27
Yeah. I did go see him in concert.

Cutter 28:31
Oh, yeah totally. Awesome.

Caitlin 28:34
That was my friend Michelle's volition

Cutter 28:36
Sure, sure.

Caitlin 28:38
I mean, I was excited funny story about that concert. It was like in an auditorium so it was like weird. So nobody was like, standing.

Cutter 28:45
Oh, that's weird

Caitlin 28:46
Which is like really weird for a concert. But it was like in an auditorium so like people weren't really sure what to do. And there was like this 12 year old sitting next to my friend Michelle. And the 12 year old was like screaming her head off the whole time.

Cutter 29:01
Oh, my gosh.

Caitlin 29:03
Michelle had just gotten back from Europe. And so she was so jet lagged. But like, she, really wanted to go to this concert because she like she loved Darren Criss and Leah, Michelle And this 12 year old does not stop screaming. Yeah.

Cutter 29:18
Amazing.

Caitlin 29:18
Do you have any like, questions?

Cutter 29:20
Honestly. I'm just yeah, I think what was working in the back of my head, and I didn't say as my reasoning is why would you come up with Darren Criss, you know?

Caitlin 29:30
because, okay, I wanted a celebrity that would be one recognizable two that I would recognize because this is a true fact about me. I'm terrible, I have a whole list of celebrities in my phone that I would not recognize if I saw on the street. Because I get them

Cutter 29:44
amazing

Caitlin 29:45
I get them all confused, especially actors and actresses. So it had to be a show that I have seen. I wanted to be honest about that. And I did I did watch Glee sophomore year

Cutter 29:54
Sorry.

Caitlin 29:55
Um, apologies for watching glee.

Cutter 29:58
Yep.

Caitlin 29:59
Um, And yeah, I just

Cutter 30:04
that just feels like

Caitlin 30:05
I wanted it to be a Glee actor. I didn't want it to be an actress because I'm better at telling women apart because they wear their hair in different hairstyles typically and men have like, tend to circulate between like the same.

Cutter 30:20
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Caitlin 30:21
couple

Cutter 30:22
Absolutely. Yeah,

Caitlin 30:23
I was like, Okay, and then I narrowed it down to a few people. And I was like, Okay, I guess I'm doing during Darren Criss.

Cutter 30:30
Amazing. I just yeah, I think Yeah, that was my other thing is like Luke Kuechly in Charlotte. Makes sense.

Caitlin 30:36
Yeah.

Cutter 30:37
And then I was like, Darren Criss. Why would you come? I was like, you could easily come up with meeting Luke Kuechly.

Caitlin 30:43
That's why I told the story.

Cutter 30:45
And that makes perfect sense. Because that's the whole point of the show. Yeah, I was just yeah, I think I'm astonished that you were like, you know who I'm gonna say I met Darren Criss. Like, that's just that's impressive. But that's

Caitlin 30:56
Yeah.

Cutter 30:56
Great planning on your part. Amazing.

Caitlin 30:58
Thank you.

Cutter 30:59
So pissed, but awesome stories.

Caitlin 31:01
Yeah.

Cutter 31:02
You didn't even get a picture with Luke Kuechly. So at the end of the day?

Caitlin 31:05
Yeah.

Cutter 31:06
Who came out on top? Probably imaginary you who has several pictures with Darren Criss?

Caitlin 31:10
Yeah. Who has a whole video of him meeting my friend.

Cutter 31:13
Amazing. No, instead no pictures of either. Well, that's all right.

Caitlin 31:17
Yeah.

Cutter 31:17
We are going to take a quick break. So you can listen to my two stories. And we'll be right back with Caitlin's guess.

Caitlin 31:23
Okay.

Cutter 31:24
Hey, real quick. While Caitlin is listening to my stories. If you like the podcast, be sure to hit the subscribe button wherever you're listening, whether that's on Spotify, Google podcasts, or wherever else you get your podcasts so you'll never miss an episode. Also, just that you will remember my two stories. Here's a quick recap. In my first story, I had a friend get his hand crushed by the blinds in his dorm room on the night before one of my finals. And I had to take him to the hospital that night then almost slept through my final the next day. And in my second story, I got to talking to a potential friend in a pre college zoom event, only to find out that it was her mom pretending to be her. But it still worked out because her mom recommended to her daughter that we be friends. Alright, with all that out of the way. Let's jump back into the action. Well, Caitlin, those are my two stories. What are your thoughts?

Caitlin 32:10
I've ever since I listened to the first episode, I've had my idea of which story was fake and which story was real. And I haven't I haven't really faltered in that. I okay, I'll just tell you my guess my guess is that the first story is false.

Cutter 32:27
The hand story?

Caitlin 32:29
Yeah,

Cutter 32:30
Sure. Sure.

Caitlin 32:30
Was that also, Jamie's guess.

Cutter 32:33
That was also Jamie's guess.

Caitlin 32:34
So I'm the fifth person to say this.

Cutter 32:37
Yes, you are. The every other person has said that that story is untrue.

Caitlin 32:41
Okay. So here's my reasoning.

Cutter 32:44
Sure.

Caitlin 32:45
I think that's just an easy story to make up.

Cutter 32:47
Really?

Caitlin 32:48
I think, yeah. Like, you think about dorm life and you're like, What's something that like, could have happened in college, what's like a crazy college story. And like, I feel like people get hurt a lot. So also, I feel like in that story, I don't know, maybe if this was real, I'm sorry if this wasn't your first instinct, but my first instinct would be like, Where's my RA? Like, my ra can tell me what to do. It is your finals week. so I can understand not wanting to like disturb like another student.

Cutter 33:17
Right. So I actually did not have an RA on my floor. Um, because the way that we did our hall like ended up that I had, there was an RA on the floor below me,

Caitlin 33:30
okay.

Cutter 33:30
And on the floor above me, but there was no ra on my floor who I could like, if I had knocked on the RA, there's just no one in there.

Caitlin 33:36
Okay,

Cutter 33:37
but fair enough,

Caitlin 33:37
Well then it would have been more difficult to do that.

Cutter 33:40
But still very possible. Sure.

Caitlin 33:41
And I feel like everyone said this, but like, the second story is just so like, I feel like one it's a little bit harder to make up. I feel like you could still make it up, but it might be a little bit harder to do so. And, um, I just that's such a mom, it's such a mom thing. Like, my mom has not done that, like not going on a zoom call. But she's been like, Matt, like a high school student at the grocery store. I mean, like, do you know like, so and so like, you need to their friend they were so sweet, they were my cashier and I'm like, can you stop like embarrassing me. So, yeah, I just feel like that's a very motherly thing to do.

Cutter 34:25
Oh, absolutely.

Caitlin 34:28
and I just feel like there's nothing I feel like a few people like said let the timeline does add up in the first story. I'm from what I can remember. It made sense to me. For what it's worth,

Cutter 34:41
I appreciate that.

Caitlin 34:42
Yeah. I feel like I feel like it's just I feel like it's an easy story.

Cutter 34:49
Sure.

Caitlin 34:50
To make up and that was that my main

Cutter 34:53
right

Caitlin 34:53
thing.

Cutter 34:53
I totally understand that.

Caitlin 34:54
That's why in my stories, I did like a less detailed one that was true. Yeah. And the more detailed one

Cutter 35:00
I get it

Caitlin 35:00
that was a lie.

Cutter 35:02
Nice. Well done. Um, you have any questions about the two stories that you want to ask? I know you have your guess but still for posterity.

Caitlin 35:09
Do you? Do you still like talk to grace like often?

Cutter 35:13
Yeah, absolutely.

Caitlin 35:15
It's funny.

Cutter 35:16
Yeah.

Caitlin 35:16
Um, have you like since like met her mom?

Cutter 35:20
I have not yet and I want to so bad. Like, honestly, truly. I like she is like, of mythological status for me. I've not met her yet. No. grace grace does live not in North Carolina.

Caitlin 35:36
Yeah.

Cutter 35:37
So it makes it a little bit more difficult.

Caitlin 35:39
Yeah, the the day you finally meet Grace's mom will be a good one.

Cutter 35:43
Oh, I I am looking forward to it above all else. Truly.

Caitlin 35:47
Yeah.

Cutter 35:47
Amazing.

Caitlin 35:48
That's my that was my only question.

Cutter 35:50
No, totally. Yeah, I'm guessing that doesn't change your mind either way.

Caitlin 35:55
No I'm gonna be embarrassed if like, Okay, how long are you planning on like season one to be like, how many guests are you?

Cutter 36:03
I think I would love to get to the end of summer. And I have I have enough people to get me to the end of summer before I do my season one finale.

Caitlin 36:11
Yeah,

Cutter 36:12
Where I get to actually reveal which of these two stories is true.

Caitlin 36:14
I'm hoping that somebody for whatever reason thinks that the secondary state because it would be so embarrassing. It would be amazing for you. So it'd be the greatest Feat. Aha, like possible from like the structure of a podcast.

Cutter 36:29
Oh, yeah.

Caitlin 36:30
But, you know, like, I

Cutter 36:32
to have everyone believe the lie

Caitlin 36:35
like, I want somebody to guess the seconf story. But I was like, it won't be me. Because I thought this since day one.

Cutter 36:41
Sure. I feel like honestly, I feel like at a certain point, there's just going to be too much pressure to not guess that the second story is fake.

Caitlin 36:51
Yeah.

Cutter 36:51
You know, like, I feel like, regardless of like, I feel like once you get to like one of the last three guests if we you know if we get that far. Yeah, before someone guesses it. I feel like someone is going to say, I don't you know, I don't feel good about this. But I feel like I have to

Caitlin 37:06
For the sake of the guess,

Cutter 37:07
right for the sake of the guess. Because if the guests go zero and however many guests I have

Caitlin 37:12
Embarrassing.

Cutter 37:13
It's appaling.

Caitlin 37:15
Yeah.

Cutter 37:15
But also if the guests you know, managed to get if everyone gets it right,

Caitlin 37:19
yeah

Cutter 37:20
amazing.

Caitlin 37:21
Yeah,

Cutter 37:21
Truly. Um, so yeah, I guess we'll find out in in a little while. If we so far, we've had five guesses in one direction. If they are all right, or all wrong. Hey, you're in good company, though.

Caitlin 37:34
Yeah, true. That just makes me wonder like, if the first story is true, like, I'm wonder like, I don't know, if I had like five people telling me like, a story that I knew was true was wrong. I would get defensive. I'd want to be like, No, you're wrong, but like you can't because it defeats the whole premise of the show.

Cutter 37:56
Absolutely

Caitlin 37:57
Yeah

Cutter 37:57
yeah, yeah. Hey, that's what the shows about. Yeah. Amazing. Thank you for your guess. Well, Caitlin, today, we learned that you may not recognize Luke Kuechly But if you were to meet Darren Criss, you would definitely maybe probably recognize him.

Caitlin 38:13
There's a 70% chance

Cutter 38:15
that's pretty good. 70 is a lot.

Caitlin 38:17
Yeah.

Cutter 38:18
Well, thank you so much for joining me. Where can listeners find more of you?

Caitlin 38:21
So I have a show here at WKNC a radio show. Every Wednesday during or at least this summer. It's every Wednesday at 1pm WKNC 88.1. HD one, it's the Indie Inbox with carbon copy. I also write blogs here at WKNC. And on the blog, I'm just just plain old Caitlyn. So yeah, you can find me there. Check me out.

Cutter 38:48
Amazing carbon copy has awesome sets for Indie Inbox and her writing is amazing. So you should totally check it out. Well Caitlin, thank you so much.

Caitlin 38:58
Thank you.

That will do it for this episode. Our Intro Music is pop nugget off of compositions 2 used under the Creative Commons license found on Free Music Archive our outro music is vintage news off reduction music used under creative commons license also found on Free Music Archive. I've been cutter. This has been You'll never believe me but and thank you all for listening. Good day and good night.

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Cutter 00:00

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everyone. My name is Cutter, though you may know me as three beers in a coat on air on HD one and welcome to this episode of You'll never believe me, but

Cutter 00:19

you'll never believe me, but is a storytelling podcast being produced here at WKNC about lying to me. Every episode I have a guest on, they tell me two stories, one real and one fake and I have to decide which is real between them. For those of you that are new here, or for those of you that need a quick refresher, I'm going to run down the three rules we have here before we get into today's episode. Rule number one, your story should not do significant damage to anyone else or their character. We're not trying to be outwardly mean to anyone other than ourselves. Rule number two, if someone else is featured in the story, you must either have their permission to say their name or use a fake name for them. You agreed to come on the show and tell the stories but unless they agreed to have these stories told just use a fake name. And rule number three, and this is the easiest one all story should start with. You'll never believe me but and then a brief synopsis before starting the story, just so we all know what we're getting into. And as a nice little nod to the show's title. So with all that housekeeping stuff out of the way, let's go ahead and get into today's episode. Today's guest is Jamie, Student Media Associate Director and more importantly, WKNC advisor and an all around wonderful person. I've had the pleasure of meeting through my time at WKNC. Jamie, how you doing today?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 01:30

I'm doing great. And most importantly, I am the number one fan of You'll never believe me. But

Cutter 01:35

Aww, well thank you very much you have had access to the show for longer than anyone.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 01:41

Yes

Cutter 01:41

What with you giving me my interview for this position and hearing my pitch for this as I desperately begged you to read it over and over again for two weeks straight.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 01:50

Yes, I also, I because of my position at WKNC. I get access to the podcast before it becomes live. So I get to listen to it before everyone else. So I get to make my guesses and figure out if I'm right or wrong. And I will say I've said this to you privately. And I will say it to you publicly. I also thought grant was lying in our last episode about his weird trip to Jacksonville on Thanksgiving. So I was with you on that.

Cutter 02:20

That makes me feel much better. I didn't feel particularly bad about that one. I'll be honest, I was I was pretty convinced I was pretty convinced. But hey, that's what the show is about. What can you do? Jamie, you have in front of you a physical piece of paper, which as a as a young person in 2021 is something that I have rarely ever seen. Is that that's all your notes.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 02:41

Yes, I have typed up notes. So I make sure that I hit the high points of each story.

Cutter 02:47

Mm hmm. May I ask? Are you going to take notes on your notes? You do have a pencil laying beside,

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 02:53

I am prepared. If I need to take my notes. I am ready.

Cutter 02:58

Hey, I don't blame you at all. I have thought about doing the same physical paper is so astonishing. I think if if anything were to reveal that you are not a college student, that would be the one what with that and your position of power within NC State Student Media. But I'm very excited because that is a full page of notes from over here

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 03:18

it is it's bullet points. But but it is

Cutter 03:20

Hey, plenty of notes. That means plenty of story, which I'm very excited for because we've been talking about getting you on the show as a guest since you read the pitch.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 03:28

Yes.

Cutter 03:28

And you begrudgingly accepted at first you kept trying to pitch to me other people tha you knew to come on the show. And I was about to drop it. I was like okay, maybe she just doesn't want to come on. Maybe she's self conscious about that sort of thing. But I'm glad I kept pushing because I'm so excited to have you on.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 03:43

Yeah, I have actually I have been crafting these stories and then re changing them and then changing them again. And then I will tell you, as I a couple days ago, I started writing these out and I changed my fake story again. Their, I've actually put quite a bit of thought into this

Cutter 04:02

amazing. Well, I'm very excited then because I think the ones that are the most prepared for the ones that are the most exciting sometimes. I mean, not every time naturally. But I know you and I'm I'm very excited to get into the story. So unless you have anything else for me, I'm ready to just jump straight into this. I'm very excited.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 04:19

I'm ready too

Cutter 04:20

All right. Well, Jamie, take it away.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 04:23

You'll never believe me. But I passed out in front of my entire high school gym class.

Cutter 04:28

That is exhilarating. I as someone who did take high school gym class kind of recently, would imagine that that would be suboptimal.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 04:38

It wasn't my favorite.

Cutter 04:42

I can't imagine not but yeah, how do we get there?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 04:45

Okay, so I kind of have a little history of passing out. Oh, okay. Before we go any further, I do want everyone listening at home to know that I have talked about it with my doctor like I don't have any neurological conditions or anything. It's just something that happens sometimes. So the first time it happened, I was like eight or so. And we were on a field trip to like the local hospital and they went into the blood bank, right?

Cutter 05:09

Oh, no.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 05:10

And so the the nurse pulls out this bag of blood and I'm like, cool, right? Then she pulls out this bag of plasma. I'm out. I am on the floor.

Cutter 05:23

Amazing.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 05:24

I am out

Cutter 05:25

Hey your at a hospital. I mean, if ever there were a place.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 05:27

Yes. It wasn't a bad. And of course, like the tour is still going on. So I had to leave the rest of the tour with all my classmates so but um, so this one time though, okay, sure. I pass out in front of my entire class. There's like 30 or so kids in the class.

Cutter 05:43

Goodness gracious. Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 05:44

So it's gym class, and I am not the most athletic person.

Cutter 05:49

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 05:50

At all. I hate lunges and running and moving.

Cutter 05:54

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Totally fair.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 05:57

Okay. I hated gym class. I hated my teacher, like so much.

Cutter 06:04

Oh, wow. Okay, sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 06:05

We're gonna call him Mr. Brown. He knows who he is and what he has done.

Cutter 06:09

Yeah, Mr. Brown. You heard it here.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 06:11

Yes. Okay. So I didn't I went to a really small school so I didn't have gym class really in like Middle School, I just I went to one room country school house for 9 years

Cutter 06:24

Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 06:26

So I didn't go to like junior high or anything.

Cutter 06:29

You were just in school.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 06:30

Just school. And every so often we'd like have to run a mile, like maybe once a month, right. Basically, like walk around the perimeter of the school. Yeah, yeah. So gym was not something I was familiar with

Cutter 06:45

Sure. Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 06:46

So my freshman year it's a it's a half credit class, but rather than like, you know, half credit in the first part of the semester, and then half credit in the second part of the semester, right. I had it every other day. So it was it was tied with my health class. So okay, for the whole year, I had for the first part, I had gym on like, Tuesdays and Thursdays and then it flipped. So I had it on Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

Cutter 07:10

Okay. Yeah, seems that seems extraordinarily complicated.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 07:15

I guess it was, but I mean, it was the same terrible teacher. So yeah,

Cutter 07:19

I think I think that that having that PE teacher that just like, doesn't know how to teach health is such a universal high school experience.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 07:27

Yeah. And of course, he was also the football coach and I

Cutter 07:30

yeah, that tracks that tracks.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 07:31

Yeah. So I'm like, trying for valedictorian, right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this.

Cutter 07:39

Amazing.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 07:40

We get our first marking period, and the scores come out and I get a D.

Cutter 07:50

A D?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 07:51

In gym.

Cutter 07:52

Oh, Jamie!

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 07:54

I don't even make the honor roll. Okay.

Cutter 07:56

Oh, my goodness.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 07:57

I am beside myself.

Cutter 07:58

Yeah, absolutely. Okay.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 08:00

My mom goes to talk to this guy at the parent teacher conference.

Cutter 08:04

Ah, sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 08:05

And he's like, there's people dying of heart disease. And she's like, yeah, there's people can't read and write either. Like, okay, so my I hate him. My mom hates him. We hate him. Sure.

Cutter 08:14

Family beef at this point.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 08:15

But I am not losing my 4.0 on gym class. Okay,

Cutter 08:20

No, absolutely not.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 08:22

So I'm gonna buckle down.

Cutter 08:24

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 08:24

Like, I'm gonna do it. I'm going to get an A in this class.

Cutter 08:27

Buckle down for gym class.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 08:28

I hate this, like, I'm gonna try. But I'm gonna make the best of this bad situation. I even volunteered to be like, his teacher's aide like I hated this guy and he had to have known. And like, he made me like stencil out like Vince Lombardi quotes on like paperboard.

Cutter 08:46

Oh, sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 08:47

So I hate Vince Lombardi now, like, I hate everything about, but I'm, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try really, really hard.

Cutter 08:54

Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 08:55

So one day, it must have been raining or something. We go into the gym class into the gym. And there's this terrible contraption. I tried to look up what it's called. And I still have no idea.

Cutter 09:06

Oh, wow.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 09:07

It's I've seen it on like football fields. It's like this giant net of type thing. Not one you climb up, but it's just like, like a bunch of squares. And you have to like, like, walk like or, run through the squares. not but not a ladder, just like, like, vertical. It's terrible. And I hate it. And you have to like, run through it and not die.

Cutter 09:30

Yeah, yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 09:31

And I'm like, this is this is not gonna happen and like ropes like I thought I thought for sure I was gonna die.

Cutter 09:37

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 09:38

But I did it. I'm super super focused on it.

Cutter 09:41

Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 09:41

And I made it through.

Cutter 09:42

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 09:43

Okay, so then the next part of this death contraption was there were these cones set up and like and you're supposed to like do this weird side shuffle like through the cones. I have no idea what sadist made up this thing that we all had to go through on this rainy day. Yeah, and so I am like, I'm over exerted from these weird little ropes.

Cutter 10:06

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 10:07

Okay. I'm a freshman in high school. I weigh 104 pounds at this point.

Cutter 10:11

Oh, my gooodness

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 10:11

I am a tiny little thing

Cutter 10:12

Yeah, absolutely.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 10:14

I don't know if I have heatstroke or what? Okay, so I am trying desperately to do this these weird things with my feet.

Cutter 10:21

Sure. Yeah. And that's it.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 10:24

And that's it. Like I'm doing it. And then then, and then then next thing I know I am on the ground. Oh, and we had to do it all alphabetically, so I'm not gonna say her last name. But I'm gonna say Brenda G. is standing over me. And I'm like, What? And I have no idea. I have no idea what's happened. Like, I'm just on the ground.

Cutter 10:45

Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 10:46

And Brenda is like, are you okay? And I'm like, what has happened?

Cutter 10:49

How did I get on the ground?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 10:50

I was just so focused on trying not to trip. Yeah, that I don't even know. I just, I just went down. I just passed out.

Cutter 10:57

Wow.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 10:59

And so we don't. So we don't have a school nurse or anything?

Cutter 11:02

No, yes.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 11:04

I don't know if regular schools have nurses. But mine sure didn't. And this was like the big school we had, like, 500 kids, but still no nurse.

Cutter 11:10

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 11:11

And so like, the teacher because he didn't care at all. Like he just made me sit on the side and like Brenda sat down with me for like, maybe 10 minutes. And so I didn't have to do gym the rest of the day but like,

Cutter 11:25

Well thats a win. Man.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 11:28

but the whole class the whole class was staring at me.

Cutter 11:31

absolutely just wow, to collapse in the middle of this this death machine. I've got Okay, I've got to ask the question. How did this affect your grade?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 11:43

Did get an A

Cutter 11:44

Oh, amazing.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 11:46

By like the skin of my teeth. It was probably like an 89.55 or something.

Cutter 11:52

Wow.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 11:54

And so I don't know if he just felt bad because I was the girl that passed out in class. And he didn't. Because he didn't . He was not concerned. Like I don't even think he went over and like, said are you okay. Like, just like Brenda, like deal with it.

Cutter 12:10

He seems like such a kind and caring person from everything you've said, though. I don't really.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 12:16

I'm so happy when he went and got another job.

Cutter 12:18

Oh, yeah. I mean, that makes sense from everything you've said.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 12:22

But I did manage to squeak out and it was an A minus but we didn't have like plus or minuses count towards grade point. So it was a 4.0 for me it was it was geometry that eventually did me in But no, I did manage to get an A gym class after I passed out in front of the entire class.

Cutter 12:39

So basically what we've what we've landed on is passing out in front of your entire gym class totally, a win.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 12:46

I guess it was kind of near the end of the semester. So, it may have impacted it. I do not know.

Cutter 12:55

Who knows maybe is all those Vince Lombardi quotes, quotes you spent hours stenciling

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 12:59

I hated him so much.

Cutter 13:03

Do you remember any of them perchance?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 13:05

No. They were just and I'm like, Who the heck is this weird football guy like I don't even know

Cutter 13:10

He does have a trophy named after him.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 13:13

Sure.

Cutter 13:14

Like the big one.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 13:15

Okay, yeah. I just knew that I hated everything about that.

Cutter 13:19

Thats fair. I don't blame you honestly at that point. Wow. Well he gave you an A to be fair so

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 13:25

I earned that A.

Cutter 13:26

Absolutely you you hit the ground straight to that A.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 13:30

I've never taken another gym class in my life. We didn't have to take one in college and we could've taken health instead. And I took health and I got an A in it.

Cutter 13:42

Nice. Hey, as long as you had an A in health. That's awesome. So geometry Did you in so you did not end up getting Valedictorian.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 13:49

No, I was 10th in my class.

Cutter 13:52

Oh my goodness. So all of the Vince Lombardi quotes and the passing out in gym class was ultimately for not

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 13:59

Yes.

Cutter 14:00

Oh, that is heartbreaking. No, I I was really hoping that it'd be like, Oh, I passed out. But then I got an A and I got no,

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 14:08

No.

Cutter 14:08

Dang.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 14:09

I mean, I still got like good college scholarships and stuff.

Cutter 14:12

Oh, sure. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's not tied to your your gym grade?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 14:17

No.

Cutter 14:18

I don't think I think I think any college recruiter would see a D in gym and A's and whatever you got and geometry everywhere else and been like, yeah, okay, I understand.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 14:27

See, it didn't really count because it wasn't a full half a semester.

Cutter 14:31

That's true. Oh, my goodness. Wow. So it really didn't matter. It really didn't matter and you still push yourself to pass out. I mean, hey, I respect that. I you gotta respect the hustle.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 14:45

I hustled so hard.

Cutter 14:48

That's hilarious. You know I I'm going to find out what this rope thing is. I will I will find out.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 14:57

It is my nightmare.

Cutter 14:58

I hey, it sounds bad. I don't know if it's bad enough to make you almost pass out.

Cutter 15:04

I never saw it before or since. But I don't know.

Cutter 15:07

Wow, Well, when I find it, I'll let you know, I'm gonna do my research, don't you worry about it. Hey, this is editing cutter here I actually did end up finding out what this is. It's called a suspended agility ladder. And it's basically a bunch of rope squares of two of them side by side, and then a line of like eight or nine of them that suspended a few inches off the ground. So that way, instead of a normal agility ladder, you actually have to do high knees to get your feet through them. It's not too complicated, but it did help me understand the story a little better. So it may help you. I showed it to Jamie. And she was extremely pleased that I found it and extremely unhappy to see it again. But that's all I'll let you get right back into the episode. Well, that's amazing. So you, almost you did you passed out in front of your entire class in gym. That may or may not have bumped you up to an A in your hunt for valedictorian that didn't end up mattering because of geometry class.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 16:03

I also didn't do so great in science, chemistry, physics, that kind of stuff.

Cutter 16:08

Eh, that's all right.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 16:09

Yeah, it wasn't just geometry.

Cutter 16:11

Oh, well, that's okay. Ah we can dream we can dream. We'll blame it on geometry. Amazing.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 16:19

You'll never believe me. But I passed out while giving blood and had to be escorted out of Tally Student Union on a stretcher.

Cutter 16:30

So we're theming again. I see. Haha. That's amazing.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 16:36

Yes. So again, I'll just you know, repeat the disclaimer. I have spoken to my doctor about this and it's okay.

Cutter 16:45

Sure. Sure. Amazing. I am such a fan of this. So passed out tally Student Union, while giving blood. Yeah, please.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 16:54

Yes. Okay. So it's April of about 2018. So a few years ago, sure. And I have my blood appointment. It's on a Wednesday, it's at three o'clock. And I'm trying to be sneaky, right? So it takes a if you've never given blood, it takes about an hour roughly.

Cutter 17:10

Sure I have to interject with a brief brief story. I've tried to give blood twice. And every time when I've sat in that line, and I did it in my high school, I sat in line for like, an hour and a half to give blood. And I was so ready. And so excited. I was like, Oh, I'm gonna help give blood. And I would sit down, they prick your finger, and they do all that stuff. And I sat down. And the last thing they do is take your blood pressure, which, to me feels like the least invasive thing they do.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 17:35

Yeah.

Cutter 17:36

And you should do that first I would argue. Maybe that's just because every time I've gone to give blood, both those times, I've sat down they've taken my blood pressure and they've gone Nope, can't give blood. I said oh, why? And it's this this tall mean looking Russian lady. And she's like, Oh, your blood pressure is too low. And I was like, too low. She's like, are you, do you play a lot of sports? And you know, in high school, I played sports all the time. I was like, Oh, yeah, I play a few sports. And she was like, too athletic, blood pressure too low. I was like, what does that mean? And I talked to a friend of mine who was running the blood drive. And he was like, yeah, if your blood pressure is too low, we just you cannot get the blood out of you fast enough. And so I have tried to give blood twice and every time I've been turned away because my blood pressure is too low. Which is astonishing. I the second time when I had eaten like a pound of salt the day before I was like I was so ready. Still turned me away, I was like I don't know what else I can do. So I haven't gone back since anyway so please continue.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 18:30

I've had low iron but I'm all my blood pressure has been fine.

Cutter 18:34

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 18:34

So I was gonna sneak in at three, sneak out at four and then just go home an hour early right?

Cutter 18:41

Yeah, okay.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 18:42

That is not at all what has happened

Cutter 18:44

Well, clearly no.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 18:46

So I I had parked over where we are in Witherspoon Student Center here on campus and Talley Student Union is our other student center. And it's it's about 700 steps because I have a Fitbit and it's about seven hundred steps down Cates Avenue. And so I parked over by tally so that I would be ready to go home an hour early. And so I stopped and I got an ice cream cone for breakfast. And I love Howling Cow Ice Cream. So that was my breakfast.

Cutter 19:14

I wonder if this will play into things

Cutter 19:16

It might. Okay, so I didn't stop for lunch though. But like I felt fine. Sure. Like I didn't feel woozy or none of that.

Cutter 19:23

You know that they do say you're supposed to eat like full meals before you get blood.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 19:27

Yes.

Cutter 19:28

Okay. Continue.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 19:29

Yes, that was made very clear to me. Okay, so, every so you know, I go to give blood? sure everything's going fine. You know, I'm squeezing little ball. Everything's great, right? everything kind of starts to get fuzzy.

Cutter 19:44

Oh, that's fun.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 19:47

And then I come to.

Cutter 19:50

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 19:51

Okay, so I am I have I am give I'm actively giving blood at this point.

Cutter 19:55

Right.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 19:55

The needle is in my arm.

Cutter 19:57

Okay.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 19:59

I have passed out on the bed.

Cutter 20:01

Oh my goodness.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:03

With the needle in my arm.

Cutter 20:04

No, no.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:05

Giving blood.

Cutter 20:06

Okay.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:07

Um, you know, all the Red Cross folks are over me. And they are like freaking out.

Cutter 20:12

Sure. Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:14

Apparently I was non responsive for what they kept saying a significant length of time. And I'm like, What do you mean?

Cutter 20:24

Please be specific.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:25

I think it was like less than a minute.

Cutter 20:28

Yeah, but that's, I guess I get it from their perspective.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:32

Okay. But still yeah, so I'm like passed out.

Cutter 20:36

Like out, out?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:37

Yes.

Cutter 20:38

Amazing.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:39

And I had actually passed out before while giving blood, but like, after I gave blood,

Cutter 20:44

Sure. I feel like that's what normally happens.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:46

Yeah, not like, while the needle is in my arm.

Cutter 20:49

Right.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:50

So they're like, okay, so when this happens, because obviously, this is not the first time this has ever happened to anyone.

Cutter 20:56

Of course.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 20:56

They're like, Okay, so we have to call the EMTs it's like our policy. So I'm like, Okay, fine. So I'm still sitting there. And they like, they come and they like, give me like, ice water. They put a fan on me. And like, eventually, they put like this little privacy curtain around. And I'm like, I don't care, whatever.

Cutter 21:18

We're too far past this.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 21:19

That was actually after I threw up though.

Cutter 21:22

After?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 21:22

So first I first I passed out and then I threw up and then I'm like, Great. Okay, so I call my roommate. Yeah. Like, they're like, Where are you parked? And I'm like, Well, I'm parked pretty close. And they're like, you know what, it doesn't matter where you parked, We don't think you should drive home. And I'm like, okay, yeah. So I called my roommate.

Cutter 21:41

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 21:41

Who is sleeping.

Cutter 21:42

Yeah. Why not?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 21:44

Doesn't pick up doesn't pick up. And I'm like, cool. So I call my boss who lives right off campus?

Cutter 21:52

Awesome. Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 21:54

And I'm like, I passed out while giving blood. And will you like, drive me home? I'm like the EMTs are coming like, I'm fine. It's fine. Like, right, you know, and so he lives right off campus. So he comes to pick me up. And so then the EMTs get there, you know, and they're checking me out and they're like, okay, and they're like, do you want to go to the hospital? And I'm like, No, sir. No, sir. I do not want to go to the hospital. And he's like, okay, so I guess they take my vitals and everything is fine. Yeah. And they're like, okay, we'll let you go. But you have to do one more thing for us. And I'm like, sure, because I just wanted to just go home.

Cutter 22:32

Oh, yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 22:32

And sleep for the whole rest of the night. So the EMT looks at me says, I'm gonna need you to stand up.

Cutter 22:40

No.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 22:40

And I'm like, Okay.

Cutter 22:42

Yeah, I mean, make sense that you got to check that

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 22:44

I did have a sneaking suspicion as to what might happen next. But I didn't want to say cuz I just wanted to go home.

Cutter 22:51

Right.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 22:52

So I stand up. Yeah.

Cutter 22:54

Immediately

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 22:55

Immediately pass, right out. My boss had just turned his back for a second to like, check something on his phone. He turns back around. I am on the floor.

Cutter 23:03

Oh, my goodness.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 23:04

And they are like, so you're gonna go to the hospital now. And I'm like, Ah, yeah, I understand.

Cutter 23:13

Yeah, at that point not much you can do.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 23:15

Yeah, I understand. So they put me on the stretcher.

Cutter 23:18

Sure.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 23:19

They must. Like I don't remember. Like going in like the regular elevator. I don't know if like a stretcher would fit in it. I'm sure there is a freight elevator somewhere.

Cutter 23:30

Yeah, that sounds right

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 23:31

you know, and the ballroom I was in was on the second floor. So maybe I go through the freight elevator show. Like, they take me out of tally in a stretcher.

Cutter 23:39

Oh my goodness.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 23:40

And I'm just like,

Cutter 23:42

Hanging out

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 23:43

just like hanging out. They put me in, in the ER and in the ambulance. And my roommate had just called like, right after?

Cutter 23:52

Oh, of course why not?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 23:53

Yeah. And like, Patrick, my boss, he left to go to the hospital, which is actually not the first time he'd ever been to the ER with one of his subordinates. So I knew he was good for it.

Cutter 24:05

Sure. Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 24:05

And you know, so my phone rings like the the Red Cross lady picks up the phone. She's like, Hi, this is Jamie's phone. So Jamie had a little incident. Why don't you meet her at Rex? Okay, and I'm like, and I kept saying, okay, like, I understand that. I kept saying, okay, okay. Like, I understand what is happening. I am okay to go to the hospital.

Cutter 24:30

I get it now.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 24:30

I throw up again in the ambulance.

Cutter 24:32

Oh, why not?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 24:33

Yeah, of course. They're like, are you nauseous? And I'm like, Yes. And they're like, here have a anti nausea pill and I take it and immediately I throw up again, so there's like vomit on my shirt. And I'm like, my blood pressure kept halving

Cutter 24:47

Oh God.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 24:47

Which cannot be good.

Cutter 24:49

No, no.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 24:50

So if it's like 120 over 80 regularly, it kept going to like 60 over 40

Cutter 24:55

That's not

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 24:55

And I'm like,

Cutter 24:57

Too different Too different

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 24:58

Yeah. So So, I get to the ER. What's funny is that actually, I hadn't been to the ER in. I don't know 30 some years. Not since I got pneumonia when I was seven and I'm pretty sure I went to the ER then. Although I was seven, so I don't really remember. And I had actually been to the ER that er, about a month prior, there was an incident with my roommate. He didn't get his hand stuck in blinds or anything. A cat scratched him. And so we had to wait in the ER for like an hour. So like, it's not a big deal.

Cutter 25:37

That's what happens.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 25:38

Yeah. When you're in an ambulance, they just take you right in.

Cutter 25:41

Yeah, no, there's no waiting.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 25:42

So yeah, there was no waiting. And so I get there and like my roommate had, like, just gotten there. Apparently, he had like, driven behind the ambulance on the freeway. Anyways, he's like, I bet that's her.

Cutter 25:51

Hahah I wonder if but actually,

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 25:54

Yeah, so

Cutter 25:54

Amazing.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 25:55

So I had to spend several hours in the ER, cheese and it was terrible. Yeah. And that. And eventually I got to go home, you know, and I sent an email to my boss, and I'm like, yeah, I'm not coming in the next two days. I think you know why, so I just got to like rest, right.

Cutter 26:15

Of course.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 26:15

Yeah. But here's the worst possible part that happened. Okay. Of course. Yeah. So I also teach classes at Durham Tech. Right? Yeah, I teach public speaking. And it was the time of our persuasive speeches. And I had a student give her persuasive speech on giving blood.

Cutter 26:33

Oh, no, yeah, no, no.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 26:35

So one of we teach, I teach them, you know, to try to give some some novelty facts, like things that will help persuade people and she said, when you give blood, you lose two pounds. And I'm like, I'm giving blood. Like, I'm going to test this theory. Right. So I get on the scale that morning. Uh huh. And I'm like, okay, that's what it is. Like, when I come home I'm going to be two pounds less right? Yeah, I gained three pounds. Because they they put liquids into me and so like all of the things to make sure I didn't die, right.

Cutter 27:09

Of course

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 27:09

You know, they just pumped me full of fluids for like two hours right and so I get back on the scale the next day and I'm like, son of a bleep

Cutter 27:18

Man what a liar. So not her fault, obviously but

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 27:21

So really, I gained five pounds. Because I was supposed to lose to win. I gained three and it was

Cutter 27:26

Pissed. Yeah. So money back on that one.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 27:30

I passed out while giving blood and had to be escorted out of Tally on a stretcher

Cutter 27:34

On a stretcher. That's terrifying. I can't imagine so I've only been in Tally in COVID times when it's very quiet. I can't imagine a busy Tally with someone being wheeled out on a stretcher into an ambulance. I'm sure that didn't cause a scene at all.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 27:51

I couldn't speak to it because

Cutter 27:54

Sure, sure, naturally, wow. Well, what I wouldn't give to see that happen to somebody as long as they were okay as you are.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 28:02

Yes, I'm fine.

Cutter 28:03

Amazing. Wow, that two passing out stories. Both Wow. Phenomenal. Thank you, Jamie. Well, those are two wonderful stories about you passing out in less than flattering ways we'll call it but I now have to make my guess between two hilarious stories by the way amazing. So glad that they're like themed and paired together It's so good. But I don't know i'm i'm very compelled by your your memory of high school. I think that was the first thing I noticed was your your hatred and this is probably true either way. I'm gonna assume that your hatred of this Mr. Brown character is true either way. But I'm very compelled by that hatred. And that seems like a story that is you are out of college. You're an adult High School for you was much longer ago than it was for me. And I have trouble remembering High School sometimes. So I feel like a story like that, you know would be would be something that you would only remember if you had that that level of hatred, but I was very compelled by that. However, I do know Talley Student Union. And I do know that they do blood drives there. And with your history of passing out and with what I know about giving blood which is very little to be fair, considering they've never let me give any that seems totally viable. And also really funny. And so I don't know I'm I'm troubled because I think I want to say the first one is true. And I don't know. I don't know exactly why. I think that a lot of that second story is true. I think a lot of the build up of the second story is true. My my best estimation right now is that it happened to someone else. And I think that I even even still, like maybe it was like the other way around. Your roommate went to give blood or something of that effect. But I don't know I'm just I'm much I'm more convinced by your your supreme hatred of everything in the first story then I think I am by I mean the the extremely unfortunate series of events in the second story. So it's gonna be in an unconvinced I'm going to say the first story is true.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 30:24

Well, the ceiling of Talley Student Union is actually quite beautiful from the viewpoint of a stretcher

Cutter 30:33

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 30:35

being wheeled out of it

Cutter 30:37

oh my goodness you got wheeled stretchered out of taTally Student union.

Cutter 30:43

Yes. Oh my god, that is terrible.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 30:46

I have not given blood since

Cutter 30:47

I don't blame you.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 30:50

But Fun fact, if you are injured in any way, while giving blood, the American Red Cross will pay all your medical bills.

Cutter 31:00

Really?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 31:01

I can confirm.

Cutter 31:03

Ah, well, that sounds lovely. I may have to try to give some blood and get hurt to see that that is terrifying. So how did how did that that high school gym actually go?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 31:16

About 95% of that story is true. So what really happened is during that weird cone shuffle thing, sure. I'm so focused on, you know, doing my best, right? I went down because I tripped over my feet. And so I'm just laying there on the floor. And one of my friends I don't remember who was like watching me like from the sidelines and this other girl that I did not like was like, is she crying? You know

Cutter 31:54

Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 31:54

And my friend is like, No, she's laughing cuz it was the most absurd ridiculous thing ever.

Cutter 32:02

Oh, sure. Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:03

And I just like it like, not not like that,

Cutter 32:07

Right. No, I understand you just hit the ground and thats it.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:09

I did hit the ground. And Mr. Brown didn't care because he's a sadist but I did get an A and but I didn't, I passed out after health class.

Cutter 32:22

Oh ok.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:22

One time, okay. That same year, but you know,

Cutter 32:25

Was that related to was he talking about blood or anything particular

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:28

I don't even remember

Cutter 32:29

Interesting

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:30

I made it through the class. And then I went to my locker. And like, I shared my locker with one of my best friends and she had opened the locker. And then when she shut the locker, I was just on the ground. I pass out sometimes

Cutter 32:47

Happens, you know,

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:48

I've even passed out like while sitting down.

Cutter 32:50

Really?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:51

Yes.

Cutter 32:52

That's astonishing. I feel like that would be hard to do. I'd argue.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:56

Yeah, it was after giving blood.

Cutter 32:58

Oh, sure. Of course

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 32:59

This was in the Bragaw activity room in one of the dorms. residence halls at NC State. And I had walked across the room to sit down and one of the comfy chairs and have my oatmeal cream pie. And as soon as I sat down I just like you're just like, the chair like fell back. So I mean, I could have hit my head, but I I didn't.

Cutter 33:19

Wow. Wow, I'm glad you got to the seat before that happened. Holy. Yeah. So you really just not a fan of consciousness in general. It seems

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 33:30

I do like to not be conscious. I enjoy sleeping. But yeah, sometimes I pass out. And sometimes I have to go to the ER.

Cutter 33:38

Wow. That's amazing.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 33:40

Yeah. And I called my mom the next day and I said, so I'm fine.

Cutter 33:44

Yeah, yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 33:46

You ever ride in an ambulance. Cuz I have

Cutter 33:50

Yeah, pretty fun. I don't know actually probably isn't fun, but

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 33:54

it really wasn't terrible. Like I was joking. Yeah, with the guy and

Cutter 33:59

Awesome.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 33:59

If anyone's ever been over to Rex hospital, they have these these like balls that are like on the power lines. And it's weird. And they look like Poke balls. And like,

Cutter 34:10

Oh, okay yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 34:11

I always wondered like, what the heck those things are. And so as we're driving by, you know, before we go into the ER Bay, what are those?

Cutter 34:20

Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 34:21

And the guys like, Oh, it's so the the helicopters don't hit the power lines and I was like huh.

Cutter 34:26

Make sense.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 34:27

Well, I guess this trip is maybe worth it.

Cutter 34:30

Yeah, learn a little something.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 34:31

Because my doctor is over there. And so like i've you know, at least twice a year I go over there and wonder what the heck these things are.

Cutter 34:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 34:38

So I finally learned.

Cutter 34:40

You learn a little something, get your medical bills covered, give some blood get a few days off work, what's not to love besides the passing out and throwing up part?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 34:47

Yeah

Cutter 34:47

as long as we slip that in at the end.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 34:49

And then the best part was like there was well, not the best part. But there was some kind of like, electronic music show that night at Red Hat amphitheater. Oh, sure. And so people were Outside like, Oh, you know, all the people are at this show getting all drugged up and dehydrated. And I'm like, haha, we gave away tickets to that at the Radio Station.

Cutter 35:10

Of course Yeah, naturally. But yeah, geez, that's so funny. Well, as sad as I am I got it wrong. The the Tally story is much more involved. And I'm very curious I would be curious to ask to ask people involved in that story what their memories are because that's amazing. Well, sorry you passed out in Tally. Good thing you didn't pass out in high school gym, I guess?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 35:36

Yeah

Cutter 35:36

win some you lose some

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 35:37

That they would have done nothing for me, Mr. Brown did not care.

Cutter 35:41

I fully believe that part. That part was never in question for me. Oh, my goodness. You know what? I'm gonna say it, Mr. Brown. Your the worst.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 35:50

He is.

Cutter 35:51

Wow. You're here to hear first, probably not first for you, Jamie. But you heard it here. Well, we are gonna take a quick break. So Jamie can listen to my two stories. And we'll be right back with her guests. Hey, real quick. While Jamie is listening to my stories. If you like the podcast, be sure to hit the subscribe button wherever you're listening, whether that's on Spotify, Google podcasts, or wherever else, you get your podcast, so you'll never miss an episode. Also, just so that you all remember my two stories. Here's a quick recap. In my first story, I had a friend get his hand crushed by the blinds in his dorm room on the night before one of my finals. And I had to take him to the hospital that night, then almost slept through my final the next day. And then my second story, I got to talking to a potential friend in a pre college zoom event, only to find out that it was her mom pretending to be her. But it still worked out because her mom recommended to her daughter that we be friends. Alright, with all that out of the way. Let's jump back into the action. Well, Jamie, you just heard my two stories. And I say just Of course, you've been listening this whole time, and you're on top and kind of in charge of my show at a higher level. So you already know these stories pretty well. But what are your thoughts?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 36:56

Well, I listened very critically to both stories. And there was a lot of really good details for the first story of you know, taking the friend of the ER, my favorite was the one about him bleeding, but not like a lot bleeding but kind of bleeding.

Cutter 37:11

Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 37:13

That's kind of how you said it. You were like he's bleeding, but not like everywhere, but bleeding.

Cutter 37:17

Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't know that there would be a better way to describe an amount of bleeding that he was doing,

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 37:23

You know, and you borrow your friend's white car with white interior. And I'm like, man, there's gonna be some blood in there. And I thought that was a really good detail.

Cutter 37:32

Thank you.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 37:34

But what felt like maybe a tell, for me was the evening the timeframe didn't progress as naturally as I think it would have it from my perspective telling the story. So it's possible that obviously when you're in it, you're not necessarily checking the clock the whole night,

Cutter 37:55

and I wasn't Yeah, I I totally understand that. It was definitely light on time and rough on progress on time progression. Yeah, you I will totally agree with

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 38:05

You kept saying it's about what 1 am. It's about 1 AM it's about when 1 am and then finally it's about 4am.

Cutter 38:10

Right. Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 38:10

And I was thinking well, in theory

Cutter 38:13

What about the time in between though

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 38:14

You would've said now It's maybe two,

Cutter 38:16

Right.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 38:17

I mean, and clearly, we knew what was happening during that time.

Cutter 38:20

Sure

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 38:20

And I was like, Huh. And I think I think that's the tell.

Cutter 38:26

Interesting. Okay. Certainly.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 38:28

And I loved the story with grace and Grace's mom. And it just, it seemed like a very, pandemic thing to happen.

Cutter 38:38

Yeah, absolutely.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 38:40

You know, because in one of the other episodes, Amanda talked about how, you know, yeah, it was really important for you to go to this thing. And yeah. I could see a mom saying, No, you can't miss this. But I mean, really, it wasn't that big a deal.

Cutter 38:56

No, not at all.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 38:57

But you don't know that.

Cutter 38:59

Yeah, no idea going into it.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 39:01

I know, you're in this this fancy named, you know, program, you want to make sure you want to make a good impression. And to just blow it off just wouldn't seem like the right thing to do. Right. Right. And so I could picture a conversation between grace and her mom and her mom saying, well, I'll just go I just won't say anything. So you'll get the credit for going, you know, and

Cutter 39:21

Right.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 39:22

And then I could see I could see that sort of unfolding in the next semester.

Cutter 39:27

Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 39:27

And

Cutter 39:29

it was it No, it is it is a very funny series of events and absolutely a very pandemic II thing to happen. I will totally agree with you there.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 39:38

Yes,

Cutter 39:39

I would ask for your formal guess. You've told me several times in in the lead up and in the past few weeks, even of recording this show that you are fully on the story two history train.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 39:51

I am team grace and and i will tell you know those listening at home that it has been so interesting to watch everyone so far pick the same story

Cutter 40:01

I am. I'm astonished, honestly.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 40:04

And then you just react. Just so chill.

Cutter 40:08

Thank you

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 40:09

where I know you are screaming inside. Oh, absolutely. Are you kidding me? Because one either everyone has found you out.

Cutter 40:16

Right? Which is terrible,

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 40:18

Which is terrible or two, no one has gotten it right which is even worse because your like hahaha

Cutter 40:25

Oh, yeah, no, it is it is eating me up inside. And because I don't tell anyone like I, because it's summer I'm at home with my family. I haven't told them. Like I'm keeping this secret from everybody. Because I'm trying to I think there is one person who knows the which one is the real story. Besides, you know, the the people in it. There's one person my my best friend since birth. He knows the real story. And I think no one else does. So it is it is truly eating me up inside. But I think for the sake of the story and the drama, I'm more than willing to keep it a secret until the end of the season.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 41:06

Yes. And you have given me no hints either way.

Cutter 41:09

Oh, absolutely.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 41:10

Oh, it's I'm excited to find out who the real person is. I want to meet grace and grace's mom

Cutter 41:18

well, if you're right, I'm sure you'll get to. I'm very curious. Do you think? I mean, how long do you think it's going to take before someone guesses that the other story is true?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 41:29

I don't know. There's nothing really wrong with the other story. You know, cuz I'm listening to it. I'm like, Yeah, yeah, that all sounds right. That all sounds you know, and everything is plausible, like.

Cutter 41:40

Sure. Yeah.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 41:41

People do stupid things and get their hands hurt. And no, yeah. Other people are like, yeah, just take my car keys, whatever. And I'm like, yeah, then that story checks out.

Cutter 41:48

Yeah, that's college.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 41:49

Um, yeah. And like, Oh, I don't want to go here. Though, and I know that that urgent cares, have weird hours. And like, that was also a little bit weird, but I'm sure there is an urgent care somewhere in this city. That is, yeah, has longer hours.

Cutter 42:08

I mean, they that was my exact reaction, honestly, when I looked and I was like, wait, why are you okay? Yeah, I have no reason not to, you know, not to at least check it out on the you know, if at worst, it's still closed, and it's on the way to the you know, we're gonna see Oh, windows closed. All right, go ahead.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 42:25

Yeah. Because you always want to go to the urgent care instead of the ER because the copay is higher.

Cutter 42:29

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very interested to see how it develops. We are you you have been chomping at the bit to share your opinions. And I think every time I come in to record this, you tell me, you tell me more that you're excited to meet grace. And I'm very excited to reveal which is true, which is false come seasons end we're gonna have to wait for right now. Amazing. Well, thank you for your guess. Well, Jamie, thank you very much for joining me. I think we learned that you don't pass out in high school gym class to get valedictorian because geometry will screw you in that anyways. But you will admire the beauty of Talley Student Union from a stretcher. Amazing. Well, thank you so much for joining me. Where can listeners find more of you

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 43:15

Well, they can find more of my cat on Instagram. He has 2200 followers.

Cutter 43:20

Oh my goodness

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 43:22

@Beerus the Destroyer Cat.

Cutter 43:24

Wow. What a name.

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 43:25

Named for buress, the goddess of destruction from the Dragon Ball series.

Cutter 43:29

Why not?

Jamie Lynn Gilbert 43:29

And you can find more of everything I love on wknc.org Yeah, go to wknc.org slash podcasts. You will find this program as well as other podcasts that we've had. And of course you can listen 24/7/365 on air, online, and on our radio FX app.

Cutter 43:48

Amazing. What a great advisor Jamie, thank you so much for joining me. That will do it for this episode. Our Intro Music is popped on get off compositions to used under the Creative Commons license found on Free Music Archive. Our outro music is vintage news of Production Music used under the Creative Commons license also found on Free Music Archive. I've been cutter. This has been You'll never believe me but and thank you all for listening. Good day and good night.

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Cutter 0:00
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everyone. My name is Cutter that you may know me as three bears in a coat on air on HD one and welcome to this episode of, You'll never believe me, but. You'll never believe me, but is a storytelling podcast being produced here at WKNC about lying to me, every episode I have a guest on, they tell me two stories, one real and one fake. And I have to decide which is real between them. For those of you that are new here, or for those of you that need a quick refresher I'm gonna rundown the three rules we have here, before we get into today's episode, rule number one, your story should not do significant damage to anyone else or their character. We're not trying to be outwardly mean to anyone other than ourselves. Rule number two, if someone else is featured in the story, you must either have their permission to say their name or use a fake name for them. You agreed to come on the show and tell these stories. But unless they agreed to have these stories told, just use a fake name. And rule number three, and this is the easiest one. All stories should start with You'll never believe me but and then a brief synopsis before starting the story just so we all know what we're getting into. And as a nice little nod to the show's title. So with all of that housekeeping stuff out of the way, let's go ahead and get into today's episode. Today's guest is Grant a DJ social media mastermind and an important part of WKNC. And someone who has been following the show since the pitch grant, how are you doing today?

Grant 1:28
I'm great. How are you?

Cutter 1:30
I'm doing wonderful. I'm so glad to have you in. You are the resident Social Media Manager here if that's correct.

Grant 1:36
Yep. I'm the promotions director. So I work with a lot of venues locally to get there, there's stuff on our social media for money. And I also shitpost just constantly because, well, fun fact. Now we're not bleeding followers anymore, because every time I know you were saying this earlier, the whole the whole vision is every time someone sees a tweet from WKNC. I want them to be like, ooh, another one another, another banger.

Cutter 2:03
Another banger. I did see that. I did see that one get posted. I like that one.

Grant 2:07
Thank you. Thank you.

Cutter 2:08
But no, I you know, you do a great job. And you've actually promoted some of this podcast in the past, which I'm so grateful that I get to have you on.

Grant 2:16
I'm certainly going to promote this one.

Cutter 2:17
I would hope so. I would hope so. I yeah. honored to have you as a guest. Well, Grant, this is not your first time listening to the podcast.

Grant 2:28
No it is not.

Cutter 2:28
You are well aware of how this works. Because you've been keeping up with it for a while you were the first person to reach out to me when I posted a call for people to come in and come on my show.

Grant 2:40
I love hearing myself talk.

Cutter 2:42
Hey, I don't blame, you know, I, I'm just so I'm so glad that we can make this happen. Because you were you were the first person to jump on that. And I'm glad that we could get this scheduled. Because I just you know, I appreciate you and appreciate you being interested in the show. So I want to reward you by having you on.

Grant 2:56
Thank you. I feel very rewarded.

Cutter 3:00
All right. Well, Grant, if you you know how the show works. If you have any lingering questions before we get into it. Ask them now or we'll go ahead and get started with your first story.

Grant 3:10
I'm all good. I don't think I have any questions.

Cutter 3:13
All right, well, then we will go ahead and get started. Grant, take it away.

Grant 3:17
You will never believe me. But I thought I was going on a date a couple years ago and I wound up almost dying in a world that

Cutter 3:25
That sounds okay, there's a lot to start with. I have so many questions and I'm gonna guess you're gonna answer like five of them within the first like, minute, please. How did this all start?

Grant 3:36
Alright, so in early High School, there's this girl I was I was talking to and I wanted to get to know more intimately.

Cutter 3:45
Sure, sure.

Grant 3:46
Yeah. And and so we were talking about you know, at some point going on either a date or just hanging out in general. She was just seemed like a cool person to be friends with too. But one day, just out of nowhere, she she invited me to go like rollerblading.

Cutter 4:03
Okay, nice, yeah.

Grant 4:04
And so she she had just gotten her license, I believe. I hadn't had my license yet. And I was also like, sophomore, sophomore, junior year. Yeah. And so, obviously, she wasn't the best driver. I don't think anybody who just gets the licenses, but I think it's a little special. Um, like, like, she was like a special case. Kind of not very good at all at the time. I don't know, I haven't talked to her and gotten an update on how good she is at driving since but, uh, so pretty much out of nowhere a little bit later at night. She just asked me if I wanted to go rollerblading with her. And it turns out that her friend was there too.

Cutter 4:42
Okay, sure.

Grant 4:43
Um, and so I was like, cool. That's, that's fine. But it was also like, already kind of almost like nine or 10 o'clock.

Cutter 4:50
Okay, yeah

Grant 4:51
around that point. So it was like, okay, Sun's already going down. Cool. Let's Let's see. So I was like, Okay, oh, she's just gonna pick me this someplace in town. Nope. It was like, literally an hour away.

Cutter 5:04
an hour away?

Grant 5:05
Yeah. So um, yeah, I lived in Wilmington at the time. And it was in Jacksonville, North Carolina, which is

Cutter 5:11
oh my goodness, that's far

Grant 5:13
I know. I know.

Cutter 5:15
And, and she was like, Yeah, I've got I've had my license for like, a month. I could totally make this hour long drive at 9pm

Grant 5:21
Yeah, absolutely. No, the thing is, you know, you got to drive back.

Cutter 5:28
That's true. Yeah, that's half the trouble.

Grant 5:31
Yeah. So yeah, we just sort of, did it. Um,

Cutter 5:36
So you made it there safely?

Grant 5:38
So I believe we made it there somewhat safely. Yeah.

Cutter 5:41
Okay, sure

Grant 5:42
I mean, I think there was something that I don't know she might have like, almost like gone at a red light or something and really freaked out but like, other than that, she was kind of okay.

Cutter 5:53
Sure, sure.

Grant 5:56
the place that we went there. The place we went to it, I cannot express enough how shady it was.

Cutter 6:03
Oh, yeah.

Grant 6:04
Anybody who has ever been to Jacksonville North Carolina knows that. Really any function there is going to be in some sort of metal like corrugated metal building.

Cutter 6:14
Yeah, they Jacksonville has that kind of vibe.

Grant 6:17
Yeah, was not it was a lot nicer on the inside. But for a little bit. I thought I was I was entering into some sort of sketchy chamber of bad times.

Cutter 6:28
Sure.

Grant 6:29
Yeah. It wasn't that bad. But when we got out, it's like midnight, or Oh, my goodness one. And I'm like, I'm picking me up. I'm scared because like, I don't know, I, I just completely had not had much nightlife experience. I was

Cutter 6:43
Right. Yeah.

Grant 6:44
Still a little sheltered. Um, and so this chick just while driving back, I think we needed to take a U turn, for some reason. Took a U turn. Not not seeing the Do Not Enter sign and just totally into oncoming traffic.

Cutter 7:00
Oh, my goodness.

Grant 7:01
Yeah. And it's so weird. I didn't even remember that. This was a thing that happened in my life. But yeah, I don't know. There was a couple seconds where I'm like, okay, those are those are car headlights coming towards me. Yeah, so I think she just like, veered off into a ditch to the right.

Cutter 7:20
Wow. Yeah.

Grant 7:22
And we were fine. But for a solid couple seconds. Like, man. There's, there's often times in life where you just brush up with your own death. And that was that was one of them. It's like, that would be the saddest.

Cutter 7:37
Oh, yeah.

Grant 7:38
Of all time for me so.

Cutter 7:41
Absolutely. So yeah, I here's what I'm astonished by honestly, first and foremost, neither of you had like a curfew?

Grant 7:49
Uh, it was I mean, I was I was definitely keeping my parents up to date consistently with where I didn't there wasn't necessarily a curfew, but also certainly it went over what I what I thought what my parents thought it was.

Cutter 8:05
Gotcha.

Grant 8:06
Um, because I didn't know it would be in Jacksonville.

Cutter 8:12
I think what I what I imagined most about this and what I like, is your parents probably going Oh, yeah, he's gonna go rollerskate Yeah, sounds like a good time. And then you let them know that you're going to an hour away only an hour,

Grant 8:25
Oh Jesus man. I there's so much of this that I've like, I don't even want to even think about I do think that they they were informed pretty early on about what the plan was knew that I was a little weirded out by it but were like, Okay, he's not he's not baby anymore. I don't know. It's like, yeah, me personally, I've been the older child my whole life and I don't know I've been given a lot of freedom to do stuff like that. And it's sort of wound up putting me in situations like that a couple times.

Cutter 9:01
Sure.

Grant 9:02
So, yeah. I don't know. By the time we were on our way back, it was definitely far too late.

Cutter 9:10
Oh, sure. Yeah.

Grant 9:11
It's probably the one of the latest times I've ever been out like and still, like, come home. Yeah, yeah. Normally I'd be you know, I'd say I was at someone else's house or something.

Cutter 9:22
Right.

Grant 9:22
Because I don't know it's a funny time to. Because Because now, I think I'm at the point where it's like, I'm a real human but back then I was sort of still so a boy and to be a boy in in Jacksonville, North Carolina. Was is a was a life changing experience. I would imagine. Um, and I don't know, really anything else I have to say about it, other than the fact that the people in Jacksonville, North Carolina at 1am are just not the not the friendliest people.

Cutter 9:57
I yeah. I mean,

Grant 9:58
not the nicest looking people. I've just got to say, I'm being surrounded by those those people and then it's so weird that was almost worse than the

Cutter 10:11
than the ending up in the ditch part.

Grant 10:13
Yeah. So I'm like, someone here is like, they want to harm me. And they cannot because there's so many people around.

Cutter 10:23
Yeah,

Grant 10:23
And I just got that feeling

Cutter 10:24
Thats a bad vibe

Grant 10:25
bad vibe. Um, I yeah, it was one of the most formative things in my life because it's like, now I know what not to do with my time.

Cutter 10:36
What not to do with my time. That. Yeah, that's very impressive. So she just like, tried to take a U turn ended up just panicking and throwing it into the ditch.

Grant 10:47
I mean, she was she was making mistakes left and right, but that was that was the kicker, man. So at that point, kind of an emotional wreck. I think her friend started driving or something after that. I don't know why her friend wasn't always driving because her friend was older. I I don't think that the best opportunity to get your driver's experience in is at Jacksonville, North Carolina at 1 AM.

Cutter 11:11
Yeah, it doesn't seem optimal. Alright, I'll give you.

Grant 11:15
Oh, God, I cannot believe that that I was put in that situation because it was like I was totally in the in the backseat. Like, I never felt so weirded out. I was I was the third wheel. Yeah, now that was definitely the worst part about that. Not the almost head on collision.

Cutter 11:38
Right. Yeah.

Grant 11:39
It was. It was it was how I felt

Cutter 11:41
Just the emotional damage.

Grant 11:43
It was the emotional damage.

Cutter 11:44
Third wheeling on your own date.

Grant 11:46
Yeah

Cutter 11:46
That's awful. I think I'm astonished that I don't know, my like, my parents have always been very, like careful about driving. Like, they were like, okay, just like, be careful, be safe. And you know, I drove a lot before I got my license license, like more than I needed to. And so I I'm just impressed. And maybe this is just mostly because of like, my upbringing and what I'm used to. I'm just shocked that like, her parents would be like, yeah, you can drive to Jacksonville and back in a night.

Grant 12:19
Well, I mean, that wasn't really that big of an issue. Because it's like, I don't know, I grew up in rural North Carolina.

Cutter 12:29
Sure.

Grant 12:29
And a lot of people's parents in rural North Carolina that is the least of their worries.

Cutter 12:34
That's fair.

Grant 12:34
Just to be completely honest. You had other stuff going on, I think because I don't know it's just it was a it was a weird family background. I don't know. I don't really want to get into

Cutter 12:47
no no absolutely

Grant 12:49
into my consistent for some reason, I'm I'm a lot of people's types that probably I shouldn't be.

Cutter 12:59
Wow, that I like that line a lot. I'm a lot of people's types that maybe I shouldn't be. That's phenomenal. I thought I'm gonna be totally honest with you. Right from that that tagline. I figured this was gonna be some sort of like, crazy insane catfishing story that was like where my mind immediately went.

Grant 13:20
Dude, I wish .

Cutter 13:21
Oh my god.

Grant 13:22
I'm too boring for that.

Cutter 13:23
Oh, don't say that. Hey, almost a driving head on into traffic is still pretty exciting. in Jacksonville, North Carolina at 1 am on a date that you were third wheeling your own date. Which I think I think that's plenty plenty enough.

Grant 13:37
Oh, that's pretty funny. I gotta say though a lot of people do have stories that um, that wind up being way crazier because they're dumb. I think every single thing I could possibly do right in this situation I did right. And I still almost wound up dying and that makes it scary to me.

Cutter 13:52
Yeah. And I think those are the best stories when it's like when it's more than the bad things are thrust on you then you like make dumb decisions that you look back on and go Yeah, I clearly didn't do the right thing. I like stories where your like I did the right thing and it still sucked. Yeah, I think that's a I think it what's even more impressive is like had you made worse decisions like that would have gone worse is astonishing that like ending up in the ditches is good outcome.

Grant 14:19
Oh, well, I was the person who noticed that we were going the wrong way first.

Cutter 14:23
Oh, no.

Grant 14:24
Yeah. And and having people be like, what, what were you talking about? When you I don't know? It's just like, yeah, then you have to like argue with that person about it.

Cutter 14:33
Right, Yeah.

Grant 14:34
When you're hurtling through, I don't know. It's just it was like, was not the last date that we had though. Which is so funny to me. I know. I know. I I was too forgiving.

Cutter 14:47
You went through all that. You were like, you know what, honestly, one more chance.

Grant 14:53
Yeah, well, it's like I don't know I've never turned into oncoming traffic, but, I figured that was more of a mistake. It wasn't it wasn't her fault, but I don't think I drove with with her in the front seat ever again

Cutter 15:10
I don't blame you. I don't think I would have ridden with her again.

Grant 15:13
I think it was more I was like, Okay, then then you just suck at driving. It's like we can work with that. Now and now I know to have higher standards, but

Cutter 15:22
I mean, sure.

Grant 15:24
Yeah. Also, I like higher standards for your venue of choice.

Cutter 15:29
What you mean the Jacksonville roller rink?

Grant 15:31
dude, I've been to I mean, I mean, I've been the shadier of your places, but like, not for fun. Sure.

Cutter 15:37
Sure. Sure. I mean, look, all I'm saying is Jacksonville roller rink, real nice place. From everything you've said atleast.

Grant 15:43
I mean, it was it was nicer on the inside than I thought it was gonna be, to be honest. The rollerblading experience, honestly, the best part of it.

Cutter 15:50
I would imagine. Yeah. Hey, you went all that way. I mean, yeah.

Grant 15:54
Was it worth it?

Cutter 15:55
Yeah. Was it worth the two hours of driving and nearly dying?

Grant 15:58
Absolutely. Glowing review five stars

Cutter 16:02
Glowing review. Five stars would almost crash into oncoming traffic again.

Grant 16:07
Yeah, sure.

Cutter 16:09
I don't know. I mean, hey, you're pretty high on it. I think that's fair. That is that's very exciting. I think there's a lot of a lot to be learned from that. Primarily

Grant 16:19
Yeah, probably a lot of foreshadowing for future relationship problems, too. If if that wasn't the end of that.

Cutter 16:26
You were like, you've almost killed me but you know what? We can make this work?

Grant 16:30
Yeah. I've thought that more times than I'd like to admit.

Cutter 16:35
That is what a sentence. I'm amazed.

Grant 16:39
I you almost made me couldn't bust into flames by just pure anger. But But hey,

Cutter 16:45
I think we can make this way. Hey, I mean, what can you do? What can you say the heart wants what it wants, and sometimes the heart wants to almost crash into oncoming traffic.

Grant 16:54
It was my It was my simp era.

Cutter 16:59
The simp era well. That's phenomenal. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Grant 17:03
You'll never believe me. But I wound up stranded at a hospital after my friend went into anaphylactic shock at a concert with me.

Cutter 17:10
That That's very kind of you, I think is my first reaction to that. Oh, that's nice of you. I mean, I mean, the stranded parts bad. Yeah, but you know,

Grant 17:20
yeah, well, yeah. Sorry. I thought you meant that was that was a very grant thing to happen.

Cutter 17:25
Oh, well I mean maybe

Grant 17:26
I mean it it is. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, certainly. It definitely was, but it was real vibe killer.

Cutter 17:35
I would imagine.

Grant 17:37
That was that was the worst part really just just killed the vibe. But um,

Cutter 17:40
well, how do we how do we get there? Yes please.

Grant 17:42
So we went to see a concert at PNC arena.

Cutter 17:45
Sure.

Grant 17:45
Couple years ago. A blues, It was the Bon Iver concert that I went to off of the I,I tour.

Cutter 17:53
Nice.

Grant 17:54
Yeah, I love the hat. Little little green hat I got from it.

Cutter 17:59
You still have it?

Grant 18:00
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's fantastic. Well, he bought it, but he gave it to me.

Cutter 18:04
Hey, that's what that's what counts.

Grant 18:05
Pretty funny. It's like, okay, I appreciate the payment.

Cutter 18:09
Sure.

Grant 18:10
Yeah. So he had a peanut allergy he still does now. I don't know why I'm speaking about this person in the past tense.

Cutter 18:17
No, I appreciate that is a good clarification. I appreciate it.

Grant 18:20
Yeah, yeah. Spoiler nobody died.

Cutter 18:24
Yeah, spoiler.

Grant 18:25
Yeah. But uh, I don't really remember. It was some some sort of fried food he got

Cutter 18:30
At the concert?

Grant 18:31
At the concert. Yeah.

Cutter 18:32
So So you went to some Bon Iver concert? And was it like the order like, oh, let me get fried peanuts or?

Grant 18:40
No, it was like peanut oil.

Cutter 18:42
Ohhh.

Grant 18:42
That did it and it was something that wouldn't normally have it. I don't think it was fried.

Cutter 18:46
Oh, gotcha.

Grant 18:48
I didn't even see what he ate man. I just noticed that all of a sudden. They had on site medics there as they do normally.

Cutter 18:58
Yeah.

Grant 18:59
In large public gatherings. But uh, yeah, I didn't I didn't even realize what was happening until I just sort of saw them. I'll sort of credit over him and I don't know the vibe in the in the concert. Certainly shifted.

Cutter 19:13
Yeah, I would imagine.

Grant 19:14
We had to sort of get out of there pretty quick. kind of sucked. We didn't get a refund from that. But

Cutter 19:21
uh, well, I mean, yeah

Grant 19:23
yeah. So my friend was also there. She She wasn't with us.

Cutter 19:28
Oh, gotcha. Just like also at the concert.

Grant 19:30
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I actually got her tickets. But but they were like, the cheapest ones just because she was like, Alright, just get me in tonight, like she she went to Meredith. She still goes to Meredith

Cutter 19:40
Oh, yeah.

Grant 19:40
But like, was like, Oh, um, I just want to like see it. So yeah, we rode together but she was completely like, across the row, on like the other opposite side.

Cutter 19:53
Yeah, where were you where, where were your spots in this concert?

Grant 19:57
Sort of bottom middle of our section. We weren't like there was a, you know, how PNC is where the actual standing room in the middle. We were sort of off to the I guess if from from the artists perspective, it's pretty close by to the left.

Cutter 20:11
Oh, nice.

Grant 20:12
Yeah, so they weren't bad seats. See, she was honestly in the same section just way up at the top. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Yeah. So so eventually we sort of found each other and went to follow him to the hospital and did not want to leave. But

Cutter 20:23
Yeah.

Grant 20:25
Yeah. I believe it was her car. Yeah, we totally took her car cuz I didn't have a car at the time.

Cutter 20:32
Sure.

Grant 20:35
At least not in Raleigh. Yes. So yeah, we eventually followed the paramedics to the hospital. And I mean, he was the he was pretty much good. After after an hour or 2,

Cutter 20:50
Right. Yeah.

Grant 20:51
But in that time, my phone had completely died.

Cutter 20:53
And oh, god,

Grant 20:55
I was just sort of vibing. And that's really the the main part of the story I wanted to tell is how I got up out how I wound up in that that sort of just

Cutter 21:04
stuck at a hospital

Grant 21:05
stuck in a hospital. I that it reminded me of your, your first or your first story that you told

Cutter 21:11
Yeah. Yeah.

Grant 21:11
It was like, just sort of the weird in between waiting when you feel like you're not part of the earth.

Cutter 21:19
Yeah, absolutely.

Grant 21:20
Yeah. So I was just wandering around trying to get my phone charged. Eventually, I found somebody with the same type of charger. But uh, yeah, I just wanted to

Cutter 21:32
So you got stuck, how long were you? How long were you at the hospital trying to?

Grant 21:37
I mean, after after we got my phone charged. It was pretty much like half an hour after that.

Cutter 21:42
Thats not bad.

Grant 21:44
I mean, it was pretty much an immediate reaction. But it wasn't that like, you know, it wasn't a lot of that he consumed anyways.

Cutter 21:52
Right, Yeah,

Grant 21:52
Just a little bit and they had to give him an epi pen and everything. So

Cutter 21:56
Dang. That's crazy.

Grant 21:57
Yeah. It was. It was bananas dude

Cutter 22:00
No, that's fair. So your friend, so you and your other friend both went to the hospital with him?

Grant 22:08
Oh, yeah.

Cutter 22:08
And just like, hung out for a little while.

Grant 22:11
Yeah, I just didn't, you know? Oh, I will. My my first desire was to contact his parents.

Cutter 22:18
Right, yeah.

Grant 22:19
And my other friend. She wound up doing that for me. Just because I didn't have my phone.

Cutter 22:23
Of course, of course.

Grant 22:24
But yeah, it was another one of those situations where I it was definitely a very concerning thing probably for my friend

Cutter 22:34
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. How late how late into the show is this was this, like, nearing the end?

Grant 22:41
Yeah, it was it was. It was a little bit later.

Cutter 22:43
Yeah Okay.

Grant 22:44
Cuz I mean, we 'd eaten beforehand he was just starting to get a little hungry. You know,

Cutter 22:48
Right. Sure.

Grant 22:49
Yeah. It was it was late enough to want to want to snack.

Cutter 22:53
Right. Yeah. And so yeah, I imagine from your parents perspective that like, you know, they know probably when-ish, the concert is gonna end and when-ish you'll be home. And once you start overshooting that by an hour, hour and a half.

Grant 23:06
Yeah, yeah. Luckily, it wasn't too far off, but it was certainly starting to worry them. Yeah.

Cutter 23:10
Yeah. And with no phone to contact them either.

Grant 23:13
Yeah, that was that was probably the worst part about it.

Yeah. Guess I'm a little too reliant on on that. But yeah,

Cutter 23:21
I mean, that's how everything runs. Now. It's not really a,

Grant 23:23
yeah, it's scary, especially in. It's just so noteworthy. When something important happens and you, you aren't able to let people know about it.

Cutter 23:32
Yeah, absolutely. We live in a weird world don't we.

Grant 23:36
We live in a society man.

Cutter 23:38
We absolutely do.

Grant 23:40
it's a Yep. There are people on this earth.

Cutter 23:43
There are there are a lot of them as it turns out. Yeah. No, that's, that's intense. So you do you still do you ever wear that green hat?

Grant 23:52
Oh Yeah.

Cutter 23:52
Like around him?

Grant 23:53
Yeah.

Cutter 23:53
And just like rub in the fact that like, you know, you didn't have to pull you guys away from the concert.

Grant 24:00
I mean, I guess it's more of a happy memory than that. But yeah, I mean, definitely. He's, I think he's happy that we didn't abandon him.

Cutter 24:11
Oh, no, absolutely.

Grant 24:14
Yeah. Other than that, I don't think that there's much of a taunting going on about it. Although it did suck to not be able to finish the last like, hour or so that

Cutter 24:23
Oh, yeah. That sucks so bad. Especially Yeah, that's, that's unfortunate. But you know, gotta keep your friend alive. I would imagine.

Grant 24:33
Yeah.

Cutter 24:34
Did he spend the night in the hospital? Was he in and out?

Grant 24:36
Oh, no, no, he was he was out. Yeah, no, we actually had a hotel because I still lived in Wilmington. A couple years ago.

Cutter 24:45
Gotcha. Okay, sure.

Grant 24:46
Just uh, we're actually touring NC State the same day too see where I'm like Oh, State's the one

Cutter 24:52
Yeah, NC State love it gonna go here, go to a Bon Iver Concert. Friend almost dies.

Grant 24:58
Yeah.

Cutter 24:58
I mean, what can you do?

Grant 24:59
Yeah very memorable day very important day.

Cutter 25:02
Yeah, absolutely. Oh my goodness.

Grant 25:04
Yeah, yeah we wound up watching Barry the Bill Hater.

Cutter 25:08
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Grant 25:11
So he didn't die wound up just sort of vibin that night. Oh, it was it was good.

Cutter 25:15
Nice. So he also ended up going to state or no?

Grant 25:19
No, no, he wound up going to app

Cutter 25:22
Loser.. just kidding App is great.

Grant 25:25
App is great. I don't think he wants to be there anymore because it's depressing school apparently.

Cutter 25:31
Oh, I'm sorry. It is cold up there. And there's no no no Coco Bongo

Grant 25:38
True no Coco Bongo

Cutter 25:42
Oh my gosh. Yeah,

Grant 25:43
I could go for some Coco Bongo.

Cutter 25:45
Oh always thats amazing so you toured state, loved it he toured state and didn't love it enough.

Grant 25:52
Yeah, maybe maybe it's the fact that he associated that day with State.

Cutter 25:57
I don't think I'd blame him honestly. I don't know if I'd be able to go to a school that I toured not eight hours before I almost died.

Grant 26:03
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, that might be the reason why he wound up going to App now that I think about it.

Cutter 26:08
Honestly, I'd be I'd be curious. I'd be curious. I wouldn't blame him. I think I think I wouldn't be able to think about anything else for a while. Wow, what a traumatic thing to change school choice maybe allegedly change school choice because of that.

Grant 26:25
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, it was probably just because App State is way cheaper but

Cutter 26:31
Oh probably.

Grant 26:32
But you know not being in the city where he almost died is pretty nice, too.

Cutter 26:36
Yeah. I mean, Hey, would you want to go to school in Jacksonville where you almost died in oncoming traffic?

Grant 26:41
I just wouldn't want to live in Jacksonville

Cutter 26:43
That's not the question. That's not the question. Would you be if there was like a great school there?

Grant 26:47
If there was a great school in Jacksonville? Right. Hell would freeze over but yeah, sure. I don't know. I love this place. There's no WKNC and

Cutter 26:57
oh, no, there's no WKNC anywhere else.

Right.

That's that was more of a would you be able to go to school in the same place you almost died. But I don't know.

Grant 27:07
Maybe I was trying to think if I almost died here yet. It'll happen.

Cutter 27:10
Oh, no, it always happens. We all almost die sometimes. But that's amazing. I'm very, very glad to hear that he is okay. And I'm very sad to hear that he's no longer happy at App. If only he hadn't almost died.

Grant 27:25
Yeah. Um, yeah, definitely. I don't know. I feel like mountains are nice, but he he just wants to be around more people and less depressing heroin addicts. That's a big thing for Boone. Sadly, I love love that town with all my heart though.

Cutter 27:42
Yeah Boones great.

Grant 27:43
Um, yeah. Little Boone banter,

Cutter 27:46
Boone banter. Well, amazing. All right, then I think unless you have anything to add on this one, I'll go ahead and make my guesses.

Grant 27:55
Alright, sweet.

Cutter 27:58
So we had two stories, one where you ended up in a ditch on a date, and one where your friend almost died at a concert that you both attended

Grant 28:07
2 near death experiences, yes

Cutter 28:08
2 near death experiences. I appreciate that your parents are such big figures in both of them. Just like you know, omnipresent figures like just as they are worrying about you.

Grant 28:19
They're there to make them worry for sure.

Cutter 28:21
Is that was that like a common thing? That was like

Grant 28:24
In my life?

Cutter 28:24
Yeah, are you a big you know, parent worrier.

Grant 28:27
I think anybody with my blood is is a big worrier about a lot of things, but um I don't know. Those are just two of the most notable circumstances where they knew about it.

Cutter 28:40
Absolutely. I think that's fair. Well, I think I'm ready to make my guess. I don't think I have any questions. I think I'm pretty. I'm pretty ready on this one. I'm gonna say that that first story is fake. I think that the Bon Iver concert, first of all, because like, I don't know, for sure, if you listen to Bon Iver, but you're, you're at WKNC. And you just give me the vibe that you listen to Bon Iver.

Grant 29:06
I certainly do.

Cutter 29:07
And so I'm, you know, I'm kind of relying on that. And like, you know, just like, yeah, you I feel like you'd be hard pressed to lie about going to a concert, mostly just because you've been to a ton, but maybe, maybe that's just oversimplification.

Grant 29:19
So I haven't been to a ton of concerts, but I definitely did go to that concert. But as you can see, there's tons of footage of it not like I mean, I went with the same people. He's not allergic to anything. I just completely made that part up. No. Oh my god, I wish I wish that first story was fake.

Cutter 29:36
So you actually

Grant 29:38
Oh, yeah.

Cutter 29:38
Oh, that I feel like that's just such an unlikely series of events.

Grant 29:42
It is, um, which is why I totally like, I'd repressed it and when I was looking for alternative story ideas, based off of the one major one that I tell the people not really probably being the thing I want out on the internet for sure. Oh, and I was like, Oh my god, I forgot that, that bizarre night.

Cutter 30:01
Wow.

Grant 30:02
That was so crazy. We wound up getting milkshakes at McDonald's after nah man it absolutely happened. There are other people who know about this too.

Cutter 30:12
That's astonishing. I think I just yeah, that's see I find every part of that a little hard to believe. And when you put them all together, it seems like such a, but that is, you know, You'll never believe me, but that is kind of the premise. That's astonishing that you wow, that you were able to survive that.

Grant 30:31
Jesus man. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't. I don't know, being, you know, being just outside of a car and sort of chilling around, I don't know, 20 or 30 people that looked like they they are capable of, of either witnessing or doing some terrible stuff.

Cutter 30:49
Right.

Grant 30:49
That's not good as a little boy. Cuz I don't know. Just a little boy at that point.

Cutter 30:54
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Grant 30:56
Yeah. Yeah. And it's so weird that there are tons of families there too.

Cutter 31:01
Yeah.

Grant 31:02
Absolutely serious. They're just like families in Jacksonville roller skating and like 11, 12 at night.

Cutter 31:08
Yeah. Hey, you were you were skate roller skating in Jacksonville at 11 or 12 at night.

Grant 31:11
I just mean who would take their 10 year old kid to that location. But they did. Yeah.

Cutter 31:16
I mean, hey, you drove an hour to get there so I mean, what can you do?

Grant 31:20
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad I'm where I'm at now. And I don't have to do that stuff to go on date.

Cutter 31:28
Yeah, that's astonishing. It's, I've just Yeah, I just can't get over the fact that you're like, from the backseat on your own date,

Grant 31:35
Dude.

Cutter 31:36
Just like just hanging out back there.

Grant 31:38
Dude, I was such a chill kid. And I'm still really chill about stuff now.

Cutter 31:42
Sure.

Grant 31:43
But I think that was that probably should have been the first sign that I needed to maybe ask, Hey, what the hell's going on sometimes? Like, Hey, I don't really want to do this.

Cutter 31:56
Yeah.

Grant 31:57
Now I'd be like, Nah, man, turn turn the hell around. drive me home. I don't want to do this.

Cutter 32:01
I don't want to go to Jacksonville at 9pm. With someone who's been driving on their own for a month.

Grant 32:06
Yeah, well, yeah. Luckily, because I'm a normal person, someone who's been driving for a month or so at that age. I do not come in contact with anymore.

Cutter 32:19
Right. Sure. Sure.

Grant 32:20
So yeah, I think one of the benefits of getting out of those growing pain years is that everyone else sort of does too. Yeah, that stuff happens a little less. I don't know. I feel like the real crazy stories come a little later in life. But uh, I think I think pulling from from one of those weird bizarre youth stories.

Cutter 32:41
Right, yeah.

Grant 32:42
Where everyone's sort of like not sure how to how to act around other people.

Cutter 32:45
Yeah, yeah.

Grant 32:47
Because I don't know. I feel like she probably wouldn't do the same thing now.

Cutter 32:50
I'd be surprised. Yeah, I just man, that's such a such an odd choice to be like, you know what I'm gonna do on this date. Let's go to Jacksonville and roller skate.

Grant 33:00
Yeah, I don't know. It must have been her friend's idea. Or, you know, that definitely did not start as a as a date. It was more like, Oh, you want to come along with with us?

Cutter 33:09
Oh, interesting. Interesting.

Grant 33:12
Yeah, I'm still in awe that that even happened?

Cutter 33:17
Yeah, no, I am as well.

Grant 33:19
Yeah, I know that about the about the concert though. It was a fantastic concert.

Cutter 33:25
Oh, yeah.

Grant 33:25
He gave me the hat. I still have that green hat.

Cutter 33:27
Oh you do have the hat

Grant 33:28
I left it at my friend's house in Wilmington last time I went so sad. But

Cutter 33:31
Oh, no.

Grant 33:32
But no, it's it's the best. It's a company called ambient inks that makes it in Wisconsin. Makes it makes them rich. Really great. Shout out to Ambient Inks in Wisconscin

Shout out green hat at Bon Iver concert. Hey that's awesome.

Bon Iver is my favorite band.

Cutter 33:49
So you did get to stay for the whole concert then?

Grant 33:51
I absolutely did. It was great. We also watched Barry on HBO afterwards.

Cutter 33:57
Awesome. That's what counts.

Grant 33:59
Yeah, that hotel. There was like, stains everywhere and stuff. It was it was the Raleigh experience, man.

Cutter 34:05
Yeah. Yeah,

Grant 34:07
I toured Hunt library the same day. I was like, Hell yeah.

Cutter 34:10
Yeah.

Grant 34:10
He just want to go to app because it was cheaper. I

Cutter 34:12
I think that's fair. I think that's very fair. So no, no, no dramatic reason he didn't choose State?

Grant 34:18
No, no it was definitely a half lie on that one.

Cutter 34:20
Hey, that's all right. I'm with that all the way. That's awesome. I mean, obviously the whole ending up in a ditch on a date

Grant 34:29
But hey, I'm here.

Cutter 34:30
You live, you get to tell the story. And that's really all the counts, especially on this show. Well, amazing. We're going to take a quick break so grant can listen to my two stories, and we'll be right back with his guess. Hey, real quick while grant is listening to my stories. If you like the podcast, be sure to hit the subscribe button wherever you're listening, whether that's on Spotify, Google podcasts, or wherever else you get your podcasts so you'll never miss an episode. Also, just so that you all remember my two stories. Here's a quick recap. In my first story, I had a friend his hand crushed by the blinds in his dorm room on the night before one of my finals and I had to take him to the hospital that night, then almost slipped through my final the next day. And in my second story, I got to talking to a potential friend in a pre college zoom event, only to find out that it was her mom pretending to be her. But it still worked out because her mom recommended to her daughter that we be friends. Alright, with all that out of the way. Let's jump back into the action. So grant, you just heard my two stories. What do you think?

Grant 35:28
Well, they're they're just as good as I remember them. I just remembered that. You know what, while we were listening to it that I had heard them before, but I'd never really thought about it through the lens of which one's real and which one's fake. But I do have to say, a good good job because either of them are extremely detailed, and very well done.

Cutter 35:49
Thank you. Thank you.

Grant 35:51
Very realistic, but I just, I truly think that oh, like, there were there were these minute details that are so so real about the second one.

Cutter 36:05
Sure. Like what?

Grant 36:06
Like, I don't know, like, one thing that that people never can really emulate about moms is the fact that they just make these like, prosthetic recommendations to like, be friends with people.

Cutter 36:19
Oh, yeah.

Grant 36:20
That's a big thing like, Oh, yeah. You know, just they've lived long enough that they know, good people, and which ones aren't, I guess, um, but like, That, to me seemed very real. And the fact that you, you blanked on a couple names in that story is is kind of also telling me that's real, just because I don't know, if I was making up a story, I would just sort of make up a name.

Cutter 36:43
Sure. Yeah. Makes sense.

Grant 36:46
Yeah, I mean, I might be wrong. Cuz like the first one does sound really realistic, too. And it very well could have happened, but right. Yeah, it also just seems like a cool one to make up. just seems like a fun, fun sort of story to play around with in your head.

Cutter 37:00
Oh, absolutely.

Grant 37:01
That might have been part of the genesis for the whole idea of the podcast to maybe started with with one of the stories. Oh, it'll be fun. At least that's how I would have done it if I was you. So

Cutter 37:12
So I will say I will say the true when the true story of those two happened to me was the genesis of this podcast idea.

Grant 37:20
I knew that for sure.

Cutter 37:23
Yes.

Grant 37:23
Because either one of them was was good enough to be? I don't know, I feel like just, I really want that that long term betrayal of having you and having it be their mom to be true. Because that's so funny to me.

Cutter 37:36
Oh, no, it was hilarious. It was hilarious when she told me the news. And it I think, to me is still one of the funniest things that has ever, ever happened to me. So yeah you are gonna, I think very fair, very reasonably, based on what you've said, make the guess that the second story with grace. And her mom attending a meeting and acting as her is true. And the Broken Hand due to the blind story is untrue. Awesome. Well, I'm glad to hear that grant. You know, you were the third person in row to guess that that second story is true.

Yeah. every guest so far. Is that does that make you warier or more confident?

Grant 38:18
It makes me more confident in you. fact that you you have you have designed this to because I am I am certain man because the first one sounds so like, you put so much truth behind it when you talk about, you're the expert here. I I'm still gonna stick with it.

Cutter 38:40
I don't know. I know. That's not I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. I'm just you know, curious to see if that will eventually become a factor. Just looking at what everyone else has guessed.

Grant 38:49
I mean, yeah, either way. If If everybody in a row has been wrong, I'm so impressed. So I'm still going with it. Oh,

Cutter 38:59
no, no, no, I totally. I'm not trying to make you change. Just just asking questions. Well, I appreciate it. I appreciate. I appreciate the guess. I guess we'll see if you're right when the season ends, and I'll reveal which is true.

Grant 39:13
Oh you haven't revealed it yet?

Cutter 39:15
Oh, no. I think there besides the people involved in the true story. I think that there is only one other person besides me who knows which story is true. So come come seasons end I will I will have the grand reveal and everyone who's been on and everyone who's been listening or playing along at home will have the opportunity to be either vindicated or crushed by the reality.

Grant 39:39
It would be cool to do some sort of zoom or or in person group reaction to it.

Cutter 39:45
I've been I've been rolling around a lot of finale ideas in my head. I'm very curious to how it'll be

Grant 39:51
To get to get some sort of live reaction from from everybody that's told their stories.

Cutter 39:56
Yeah, that's a good idea. I'll see what I can do. I think that'd be And I also I think what I'm going to try and do is get the main star of the real story in for the for the finale, and have them talk to the experience a little bit more. But either way, glad to have your guess, marking your name down in the history of You'll never believe me, but amazing.

Grant 40:21
I'm glad I got to make my mark.

Cutter 40:23
Well grant, thank you so much for joining me. So we learned that you may go on dates with bad drivers, but you do not have any reason to miss a Bon Iver concert.

Grant 40:34
Very true. I don't have any. Well I have friends with peanut allergies, but I don't go to concerts with them.

Cutter 40:39
No never. Wouldn't even risk it

Grant 40:41
Wouldn't even risk it.

Cutter 40:42
Well. Thank you so much for joining me. Grant where can listeners find more of you?

Grant 40:47
So I'm of course the the WKNC social media guy but I also am on Instagram at Grant Eubanks that's Eubanks I go by my last name Eubanks here at WKNC as a DJ also I make music under that name my most recent single is the day after tomorrow and that's that's everywhere on iTunes Apple Music all the all that jazz and yeah, that's that's my biggest baby.

Cutter 41:16
I'm glad to hear that. It's phenomenal. You should go check it out everybody. It's a great time. Grant. Thank you so much.

Grant 41:22
Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Cutter 41:25
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Cutter 0:00
Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everyone. My name is cutter the you may know me as three bears in a coat on air on HD one, and welcome to this episode of, You'll never believe me, but. "You'll never believe me, but" is a storytelling podcast being produced here at WKNC about lying to me, every episode I have a guest on and they tell me two stories one real and one fake, and I have to decide which is real between them. For those of you that are new here, or for those of you that need a quick refresher, I'm gonna run down the three rules we have here before we get into today's episode. Rule number one, your story should not do significant damage to anyone else or their character. We're not trying to be outwardly mean to anyone other than ourselves. Rule number two, if someone else is featured in the story, you must either have their permission to say their name or use fake name for them. You agreed to come on the show and tell these stories but unless they agreed to have these stories told, just use a fake name. And rule number three, and this is the easiest one. All stories should start with. You'll never believe me but and then a brief synopsis before starting the story just so we all know what we're getting into, and it is a nice little nod to the show's title. So with all of that housekeeping stuff out of the way, let's go ahead and get into today's episode. Today's guest is Amanda a friend of the station and someone I'm excited to get to know as this is the first time that we've met Amanda, how are you doing today?

Amanda 1:31
I'm Great. I'm really excited to be here. I was a college radio nerd myself. So it's wonderful to be in a studio again.

Cutter 1:39
Awesome. Where did you go to college and what radio station?

Amanda 1:42
Undergrad, I went to George Washington University. So in DC, and we had very very, This is so much cooler, we had very little bandwidth to get very far. So I don't think even all the dorms were covered by the radio station. Definitely did not have the listenership that WKNC has.

Cutter 2:04
Yeah, I'm very lucky. WKNC is sizable. And it's got a long enough history that I think that that definitely helps. That's awesome. Well, I'm very glad to have you back in the studio, then. I was told that you have rehearsed your stories over a long drive on the way down. Can you tell me a little bit more about that?

Amanda 2:25
Absolutely. So I live in Michigan, technically. And I used to live here in Raleigh and work at NC State. But now I live in Michigan, and I am here visiting. And so we went to Atlantic Beach for last couple of days. And that was pretty incredible. Yeah, I got a little beach time and it was good. It wasn't busy. So that was especially nice. Oh, so yeah, had some time on the beach and swimming. And Patrick caught two sharks, which was very exciting. Little baby sharks,

Cutter 2:54
And that is your boyfriend?

Amanda 2:55
My boyfriend. Yep.

Cutter 2:56
Awesome. That's awesome. And so on the way back from Atlantic say to hear you rehearse your stories with Patrick, is that true?

Amanda 3:04
We listened to the second episode of this podcast, which was wonderful.

Cutter 3:08
Thank you. Thank you.

Amanda 3:10
It was great to hear. And so we listened to that. And I just was like, Okay, I had a bunch of different ideas, and just kind of narrowed them down and talk through what was you know, what was going to be most believable as my fake story.

Cutter 3:26
I feel like that's a lot of pressure on me now. Like, like, the stakes are so high. Everyone's getting so into it, which I am all for, by the way.

Amanda 3:33
Absolutely, absolutely, it is a great challenge. It's like, storytelling is so much more challenging than I ever thought it was. Anyway, I you know, I think I'm a natural storyteller, but I had to prepare for The Moth one time, I did The Moth on NPR.

Cutter 3:49
Oh wow, Amazing.

Amanda 3:51
And it was incredibly mentally challenging. Just they, you know, you can't do use any notes at all. And my story was about 12 minutes. And so you just would, you know, practice with picturing what was happening and talking about it. And it was a grand challenge. But but really fun. So I'm excited to be here. This is a really fun idea. And I like can't wait till I get to guess about yours.

Cutter 4:17
Oh I am very excited. I think that that's gonna be the most interesting is to see the development of it over time by the end of the season. So you, you talked about the moth, you do a lot of speaking Is that right? What all, Where all do you speak? What all do you do?

Amanda 4:32
So I speak a lot to medical students and nursing students and just to regular groups of people and teach them about different medical topics, mostly about ovarian cancer. And I'm also always just kind of working on projects that, you know, put me where I'm trying to raise awareness or as an advocate for a particular political issue. I do a lot of work on policy. and things like that, too. So

Cutter 5:01
amazing. That's impressive. Well, I'm honored to have a NPR featured Storyteller here on my podcast. Unless you have any questions for me, we can go ahead and jump right into it. I'm very excited.

Amanda 5:13
Sounds good. You will never believe me. But I was diagnosed with cancer on a trip to Nicaragua. And they had to get me to the hospital by emergency boat.

Cutter 5:23
Emergency boat is amazing. And wow, I don't even know where to start with that. unpacking it, I think the best place to start is just to let you tell the story.

Amanda 5:35
Absolutely. So in my, my professional career, I've always run service and leadership centers at different universities. So like, helping nerds save the world is kind of my specialty. And I love getting to take students abroad on service trips, you know, often, it's called, like Alternative Breaks at different schools and things like that. So a lot of people have done programs like that. We have them here at NC State. Amazing to go on to. And I got one summer, I had an incredible experience where I got to take 15 of my Stanford students at the time abroad to Nicaragua for like, about 8 weeks.

Cutter 6:18
Oh, my goodness, that's a long time.

Amanda 6:20
It was pretty much the whole summer. And the really cool part was it was all themed around, like natural medicine. And just understanding kind of medicine in the context of this developing country, and in this different context. And so a lot of these students were really intense type a pre med students. So even preparing to travel with them was sometimes challenging,

Cutter 6:46
I would imagine. Yeah.

Amanda 6:48
Even down to like, what do you pack becomes like a whole exercise. Being prepared and everything but, you know, you get to know people really well, during an experience like that.

Cutter 7:00
Absolutely, I mean, eight weeks is a long time long time

Amanda 7:03
And we're living together in homestays.

Cutter 7:06
Oh, wow. Sure. Yeah.

Amanda 7:07
It was usually like two or three of us at each in particular house, we would stay with a family in Nicaragua. And what was really amazing is, we were on this island called Isla Oma Teppei, which is in the middle of Lake Nicaragua.

Cutter 7:23
Oh, wow. That's awesome.

Amanda 7:24
And it's, you know, it's all volcanic. Yeah. Beautiful, jungle, volcanic jungle. But this island is pretty remote. It's actually there's some statistics back then they used to say that about 40% of the people who lived on the island had never left the island.

Cutter 7:42
Oh my goodness. And this trip was was when?

Amanda 7:47
Oh, sure. This was 2008

Cutter 7:49
2008. Okay, amazing

Amanda 7:51
As an eight. And it was just a beautiful, we were having an incredible experience. A lot of what we were doing was like giving vaccinations to kids all around, we would have these like health fairs that we would set up and we would give vacunas por los niños We would also help they would we would set up for nurses and doctors to be able to give women checks for cervical cancer which was really big. Yeah. Which is like my favorite Spanish word. It's Papa Nicolau. means like, pap smear, amazing, thats like my favorite spanish word to this day, we would do all these things. And we got to work on like a medicinal tea farm, just incredible experiences, and really got to understand the country and the people and, and just kind of see that there are so many different ways people think about medicine and think about health. And you know, a lot of what we do, even in our Western culture, you know, drinking water, and resting are two of the very best things you can do for almost any problem. No matter what. So it was really cool. Because there were things that you know, we maybe wouldn't think of first in our in our medicine culture, but that we learned our staples in this other country, where a lot of people are also really well trained in medicine and just have different viewpoints and things like that. So it was incredibly cool this experience. And then there was this one day,

Cutter 9:37
of course, every trip does,

Amanda 9:39
and I started to feel the worst pain I have ever we were out volunteering, we were kind of at this natural medicine hospital and it's it is technically a hospital, but they don't have like surgical suites and stuff

Cutter 9:54
okay

Amanda 9:55
And it's also a place where it's not like a sterile

Cutter 9:59
Yeah, sure, sure

Amanda 10:00
In that situation, they don't have all the all the sterile gloves and all the sterile things that you need to really do surgery and things like that. Yeah. So it's a hospital, but not for every kind of condition.

Cutter 10:11
Absolutely, sure.

Amanda 10:13
And so the main hospitals are not on the island, because this is a small island in the middle of a lake,

Cutter 10:17
Right, naturally.

Amanda 10:19
Absolutely. So, we were having a regular day volunteering, this is after lunch, and I just felt this pain. And it was a pain Cutter that was so bad. I don't know if you've ever been to the hospital and they've asked you like, what number on the pain scale?

Cutter 10:36
Yeah

Amanda 10:37
Okay, this was a 10 .

Cutter 10:38
Oh, wow, that's insane.

Amanda 10:40
And I have had all sorts of things happen to me over the years. And I will never say 10 again, I hope because 10 it was so bad. That it either had to stop or I knew I was gonna pass out.

Cutter 10:52
Wow.

Amanda 10:53
Right.

Cutter 10:54
Yeah, no, I I have maybe hit like four. That is terrifying.

Amanda 10:59
Yeah, I had a really bad break. And a dislocated elbow once.

Cutter 11:03
Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

Amanda 11:05
You know, that was a really nasty looking one and that was like a seven. So a 10 was tremendous.

Cutter 11:12
Yeah.

Amanda 11:12
And so the next thing I know, I'm on the ground.

Cutter 11:16
Oh, my goodness.

Amanda 11:17
I did pass out it hurt so bad.

Cutter 11:20
Yeah. That is fair.

Amanda 11:21
And you'll notice I'm really good at laughing at cancer stories at this point, too. Cause this was also a long time ago, right?

Cutter 11:29
Right.

Amanda 11:29
And so I'm feeling this pain I'm passing out and I realize, okay, what are we going to do? Because I'm the one in charge. I'm the adult?

Cutter 11:37
Yeah, yes.

Amanda 11:38
15 college students.

Cutter 11:40
Oh, my goodness.

Amanda 11:41
And I'm used to being the one to take care of them. And at this point, I'd had, I'd had a student get dengue fever, you know, and that was like, super stressful. We had to like, go to the hospital. And I had to take him back and forth between this hospital and this medical doctor. Because, like, they had to do a certain test at one place. And then they couldn't read the test at that place. They read it at the other place, we'd spend like days going back and forth on the bus. So I knew that this was like, I'm literally laying there. And I'm thinking, Uh oh, I'm going to really have to get some help. And I don't know that I'm going to be able to get it on this island.

Cutter 12:19
Right. Yeah.

Amanda 12:20
And it's still hurting like crazy.

Cutter 12:22
Yeah.

Amanda 12:22
And so very quickly, they said, Okay, We got to do something. And immediately The doctor came out who we had been working with this naturopathic doctor, she said, we've got to get you off the island. And so one student who to this day, I am so thankful for, right? Absolutely. We will call him Zack, and Zack is now actually legitimately an infectious disease doctor. So he I gave him a little bit of a test. But he came with me on the boat. It was a driver of the boat who we didn't know. And it was one person like a kind of like a medical assistant that we worked with regularly. So somebody that we knew and we knew spoke both English and Spanish.

Cutter 13:16
Okay, great.

Amanda 13:17
And we had, you know, my Spanish listening skills are pretty good. But my speaking skills aren't really confident back then. Yeah. So it was it was like Zach was a great bilingual speaker too. And so there were, so I felt this terrible pain. But I felt like, okay, we're getting in this boat we're having. And now this is not like a big boat, we are talking a little speed boat. And the good news is there are only four of us. And it went really fast but then we had to get there. And then we had to find, okay, how are we going to get actually from there to the hospital? So they were literally from the island, calling ahead to try to make sure there was somebody that could get an ambulance right there to take me to the hospital. And so you just think of like, how many people had to be doing all of these things? Because the infrastructure is not like we have here.

Cutter 13:21
I would imagine.

Amanda 13:29
So there's all these people working behind the scenes to help me get to this hospital, which is in a more major city in Managua. And so we get to Managua and they basically find out very quickly, okay, the first they think, Oh, this is appendicitis.

Cutter 14:34
Okay.

Amanda 14:35
And then they think, Oh, it's a kidney stone.

Cutter 14:37
Okay. Also bad.

Amanda 14:39
Yes. But it's neither of those things because they start giving me more and more IV pain medication. And they realize, Oh, this really is a 10 on the pain scale because she's in so much pain she's still awake. Even though they are giving me these drugs that kind of should knock me out a little bit. And so then they did this other test. It's like a kind of ultrasound. And they realized I had this thing called ovarian torsion. Now, this is a 10. On the pain scale. This is when you have a fallopian tube with an ovary on the end, and the ovary has twisted and so the pain you feel his actual gangrene. Like internally, gangrene is happening and your organ is dying because there's no blood flow.

Cutter 15:34
Oh my god.

Amanda 15:35
And so that's what the crazy pain was. Yeah. And so, you know, then they had to make this decision to they said, Oh, it's no big deal. All we do now that we know what it is, is we make these little laparoscopic cuts. We go inside we untwist your ovary and then you're done.

Cutter 15:51
Easy peasy.

Amanda 15:54
But basically, it didn't happen like that. They had to because they noticed when they tried to go in and just really simply look at it. They noticed it had all these tumors.

Cutter 16:05
Oh my goodness.

Amanda 16:06
So they actually had to cut me open hip to hip. Oh, and I woke up in a faraway country. Yeah. At the time. I was by myself because my student who was with me was like, in a waiting room, you know? And I don't have any contacts in because they make you take those out when surgery happens

Cutter 16:24
Yep. Yeah, of course,

Amanda 16:26
So I can see like nothing. And that's and I was like, and then you know, I found out Oh, it's you know, they did they do like a frozen biopsy while you're in surgery. They like basically do this quick. Immediately they freeze part of the tumor and they cut it so that they can look right then and say, Okay, this looks like cancer, or no, it doesn't. So that they can kind of like, figure out what direction you're going next. Right? Sure. And so they said, Okay, this is cancer. So I was still like working on a trip abroad with 15 students.

Cutter 17:06
How many, like how many weeks in are we? Because because we have a whole, like, a whole, like somebody else already had to go to the hospital. So how many how far along? Are we in this?

Amanda 17:15
Almost to the end, we maybe had six days left?

Cutter 17:19
Okay. Okay, six days is imminently survivable.

Amanda 17:23
Except for me, I had about 12 more days left, because I had to stay in the hospital. Right. Luckily, by that time, the students were, you know, we had we also had in country staff, like from the organization that we worked with, sure. So they didn't need to, like send anybody else in to or anything, they just, you know, they they may do and they're already all settled, kind of with knowing how to do everything they needed to do in the country and everywhere. Yeah, we were just winding down. But I did hear about a few crazy things that happened on the trip after I was in the hospital. Later was like, Oh, yeah, you thought you could get away with it.

Cutter 18:07
When the when the one staff is away. That's so funny.

Amanda 18:11
The craziest one was this wonderful girl on our trip. Who was a, she was always in the junior Miss pageant. She was like a pageant girl.

Cutter 18:21
Okay, sure.

Amanda 18:22
And she literally they were on the beach in this, this town called San Juan del Sur in Nicaragua. Yeah. And she fire twirled a baton.

Cutter 18:33
Awesome. Oh, that's so cool,

Amanda 18:36
because I guess she knew she could do that. But it's one of those things that as like the person in charge of her health and safety, I went over my dead body are you twirling a baton with fire.

Cutter 18:48
It was over your hospitalized body, if that makes it any better.

Amanda 18:52
So they really enjoyed telling me those stories when we all got back to campus

Cutter 18:56
Absolutely. That's so funny. I would imagine for for a group of like you said like a dozen. how many type a Stanford pre-med students who you said like if packing is a big ordeal. I would imagine that your staff member who's there with you going to the hospital with eventually what turned out to be cancer would be a little more stressful, I would think.

Amanda 19:24
And they were so sweet. They were so worried about me. But at the same time, it was so incredible because we were learning about all of these medical and health issues.

Cutter 19:36
Yeah.

Amanda 19:37
And these were like the kind of students who all wanted to become doctors or some other kind of health professionals. And so it's very strange. But knowing them as I do this many years later, it's like 13 years later.

Cutter 19:52
Sure. Yeah, yeah.

Amanda 19:53
I know that they are the right people to, that became doctors because they were there for me at a time when I was at my worst.

Cutter 20:05
No, absolutely. That's amazing.

Amanda 20:07
Yeah, I was married at the time. And you can imagine how scary it must have been for him back in San Francisco, like, what is happening? Yeah, but it works out. Luckily, we had this. A lot of universities do this. We had like a special kind of insurance that like gives you access to these international doctors. And so you have sure you can, like call these people to make sure that everything that's happening is like, in line with the, like, what we would do in the United States and stuff like that. Yeah. And I and frankly, there's very, very well trained doctors there. So I was incredible hands. But it was it was pretty exciting. It was a little too a little too exciting. And you definitely don't know what it's like. I mean, very few people have experienced that level of pain. In a boat with like, you're getting wet because it's like a speedboat. Yeah. It was a very harrowing experience. We're like, bumping along.

Cutter 21:08
Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Wow.

Amanda 21:11
It was a lot.

Cutter 21:12
That sounds like a lot. Well, thank you to doctor Zach. Now, Dr. Zach, for that. Wow, what a what a What a life saving thing.

Amanda 21:22
And he was just a freshman back then.

Cutter 21:24
Oh, my goodness. Let if he doesn't tell that story at every party, he goes to, I would be disappointed.

Amanda 21:31
I'm sure he does, actually. Cuz he's the one that also got Dengue fever earlier.

Cutter 21:37
Why not? Yeah, why not?

Amanda 21:38
The crazy thing with that was I was in the hospital with him when they said it looks like you have Dengue fever, which, you know, to an American sounds like a big deal. But in Nicaragua, it's like, like, a Tuesday. Because it's something that, unfortunately is so common there.

Cutter 21:55
They just, they just go with it. Yeah.

Amanda 21:58
And so what they told me, you know, and my Spanish was pretty good at the time. But they said something. And I look over to Zack, because his Spanish was really good. And I said, Did they just tell me to watch to see if your eyes start bleeding? And he puts his hand on my shoulder? And he goes, yes. And so it was like Oh, my goodness. And it was just one of those experiences in life where you're like, I can't believe this is my job.

Cutter 22:30
That's your job. Wow.

Amanda 22:33
And I had to call his parents and tell them he had dengue a fever. I mean, that was very scary.

Cutter 22:39
I think yeah. I cannot imagine doing that.

Amanda 22:43
Absolutely, like a freshman in college.

Cutter 22:44
Yeah. Yeah. Like, Hey, your kid has been in college for a year. They went to Nicaragua, they want to be a doctor. Also, his eyes might start bleeding here in a minute,

Amanda 22:53
but I'm watching for it.

Cutter 22:53
but I'm watching for it. So we'll be good. That is terrifying.

Amanda 22:59
Yeah, so that started the you know, almost 13 year journey I've been on since.

Cutter 23:04
Wow, I would imagine. What an exciting story. I mean, to to not the best, you know, story in the first place. But that's exciting to say the least exciting.

Amanda 23:14
Exciting, absurd.

Cutter 23:16
Yeah, yeah.

Amanda 23:17
But I thought it fit really well with that. You won't believe me, but

Cutter 23:20
Oh, yeah, absolutely. That is difficult to believe. Just by the facts of the story. That's perfect. exactly the kind of story we're looking for. That's amazing.

Amanda 23:31
You'll never believe me. But in 2015 I was left for dead by medical science. And I went on my hashtag not dead yet tour. And I've been on it ever since.

Cutter 23:43
Yeah, I wish I wish that this is a video cast right now. I am mouth agape eyes wide. That. Yeah, please, please.

Amanda 23:55
I just, it was I had just finished. Some really I'd already had a bunch of different surgeries for my cancer since the first diagnosis. And then I had a recurrence, and I had to have more surgery.

Cutter 24:10
Sure. Yeah.

Amanda 24:11
And then I had another recurrence. And that time I was living here in North Carolina. And they did, I had to do some really challenging chemo. That's kind of like the standard that everybody with ovarian cancer goes through, which is just like six rounds of what they call Taxol and Carbo flattening. And you take these drugs intravenously, right? And, you know, these are more of the stereotypical cancer drugs where you lose your hair. And, um, you know, you feel nauseous and stuff like that. But it is important to remember that like, every kind of cancer drug that I've been on, at any point has different side effects. So that's not that's definitely not even the norm with cancer anymore. People can have really different experiences, but basically, um, I had to go to the doctor one day and they had to tell me that the chemo didn't work. My kind of really rare ovarian cancer is called low grade serous carcinoma. Only like 4% of ovarian cancers. And most people are diagnosed with ovarian cancer, like the average age is like around 63. So in someone so young, I was I was 29 at the time.

Cutter 25:26
Oh wow yeah.

Amanda 25:27
So it was really shocking for the doctors. But the real problem is that this kind of rare cancer I have, it's called low grade and that it's good and that it grows a little slower than some of the other kinds of cancers but it's really bad. Because all of the medicines, almost all of them that treat cancer involve trying to get to the fastest growing cell.

Cutter 25:55
Yeah. So that seems to be to me at least a college freshmen at odds with one another

Amanda 26:04
A really smart college freshmen I already know that.

Cutter 26:06
Oh, well, thank you. Thank you. I mean, what can I say

Amanda 26:08
An almost sophomore

Cutter 26:09
Yeah, sure. Yeah. But yeah, those seem to be at odds with one another.

Amanda 26:13
So the problem is, is that often, and you don't even really know this as a patient, but like, sometimes they'll give you certain drugs to take that, like, you know, there's like maybe a 30% chance that it'll work. And that's just not the way like science will tell us. Okay, in 30% of the people this work, right, yeah. And you don't really get it presented to you like that, necessarily. Because it's the standard of care treatment. It's what they do for everybody with this disease. And so they weren't that surprised that it didn't work. But I was because it was really hard to go through.

Cutter 26:51
Yeah. Absolutely.

Amanda 26:52
At the end of the day. I'm like, it didn't even work at all. Yeah, cuz I was still trying to work at the time. And I was like, I was so sick. And you know, of course, you're, you're bald, and you look sick. And everybody's kind of weird to you. It's a very strange, strange way to live for a while. And this campus can be huge. And I was always trying to, like, run all over it and get everything done. And I was just exhausted.

Cutter 27:20
Yeah.

Amanda 27:21
And so I had this one day at the doctor where they had to say, like, and I was by myself, which was even harder. And, you know, they said, I'm so sorry, but like, there are no treatment options left for you.

Cutter 27:33
Thats horrifying,

Amanda 27:34
and I was, let's see, at that time, I was 34 years old. 34, 35. And I was like, left for dead by medical science. They, they said, okay, there's nothing else we can do. You need to prepare for your death. And, you know, that's one thing but then help prepare the people that love you for your death. It's like a whole nother level. And it's, it's also just, it's just it's a lot to wrap your head around. But then you immediately are thinking, Okay, I got it. I gotta get on to like doing things that matter to me. Because I don't know how much time I have left. Right? You know, and like, you always see in TVs and movies that they give you like, Oh, you have this long to live but most cancer doctors will not tell you that because there aren't very good you know, the science doesn't really tell us an answer. You know, it's all guesses so I didn't really know how much time I had left but I just decided okay, well I'm not dead yet. And I have always embraced ever since that whole Okay, I'm not dead yet that's my that's my saying I you know I have shirts to say it I'm like I went on my not dead yet tour. So my tour involved just some crazy stuff. I learned how to whitewater kayak.

Cutter 29:04
That's so cool.

Amanda 29:05
For the fourth time when that when I had cancer for the fourth time, and I was like massively sick and bald in Montana

Cutter 29:12
Yeah, why not?

Amanda 29:13
And I I learned how to like, I mean, I've made it through class four rapids on you know, a huge river in Montana. The great fork and um, you know, I got to kind of go visit family and friends who were really important to me I stayed in Seattle for a while I lived in a cabin by myself in quarter lane Idaho because I thought like, I've never been to Idaho that looks cool.

Cutter 29:44
At that point, especially just do it why not

Amanda 29:46
And I can afford it and so I just decided I'm gonna run off there for a little and um, yeah, and then I came back and I ever since I've been kind of focused on you know, my life has been about has always even my career has been about how to make positive impact and how to help other people do the same. But it's so different once you really are at the end of your life. And you have to figure out, Okay, how do I make this meaningful? And so, for me, it's turned into so many crazy things I can't even imagine, I never could have imagined doing. Yeah. So it's been quite an adventure like my, my not dead yet tour has included, you know, I've spoken to, I work with doctors all the time on on patient perspective, and helping them understand, you know, what things look like from a patient's perspective, it's so funny, because, yeah, I have a lot of fancy education and stuff in my background. And sometimes they listen to me because of that. But at the end of the day, the things that I say that are really profound, these doctors are things that anybody who has had as many CT scans, as I have can tell you about a CT scan. You know what I mean?

Cutter 31:02
It's way different being in front of the machine than behind it.

Amanda 31:05
Absolutely, So I work with the American College of Radiology, that's one of the things that I do and I, I now for the first time this is this is kind of, kind of, I can't believe it, but I actually am a medical researcher.

Cutter 31:20
That's awesome. That's so cool.

Amanda 31:22
I'm not a doctor. I never went to medical school. But as a patient one day on Twitter, I posted, okay, um, what i think i think the exact words were something like, I'm gonna focus on racial disparities this next year. Does anybody want to, you know, who's in?

Cutter 31:40
Yeah, yeah.

Amanda 31:41
And the doctor in New York City, who is amazing. Got back in touch with me. And we have started this project. It's called racialist, it's called. It's actually titled it has a big has one of those big long epic medical titles, centering the marginalized voices of black patients with gynecological cancer.

Cutter 32:02
Oh, yeah, that sounds very medical journey. Yeah, absolutely.

Amanda 32:06
And so what's really exciting is we're basically taking, you know, these patients who often face really terrible racial disparities in their care. And sometimes it's directly because of racism in the system. Right? Yeah. And then sometimes it's because of things like, you know, there are different kinds of genetic factors that are more common in certain populations and stuff. And so that can cause racial disparities. There are different things that cause them. But what we're really working on is, how do you think racism itself and racial bias implicit racial bias has impacted your cancer care? And so basically, what we're doing is we're starting with the people most affected these patients. And we're, and we're directly doing focus groups to listen to them to say, How How have these things affected your care in your life, and then what we're going to build to try to solve the problem is completely based on what we learned from them. You know, we're not like setting up. Here's what we're gonna do. And this is the solution. We're literally starting with listening, and it's really exciting. We just got our first grant last week.

Cutter 33:21
Amazing, Congratulations.

Amanda 33:23
From Cornell, Cornell has already said your cool

Cutter 33:27
Oh, wow. that's a big, that's a big stamp, too.

Amanda 33:30
So, I mean, so I'm leading a medical research project.

Cutter 33:34
So cool. Yeah. Why not? That's awesome.

Amanda 33:37
Yeah, and I've spoken to, you know, I've been a keynote speaker at, you know, radiology conferences, I've spoken to medical students, all over Michigan, especially. And, you know, I just did a conference two weekends ago, that was, that was a amazing national conference about how patients can connect to research. And it's just kind of, it's kind of, like, the thing that's magical is my, like, my purpose in life was was I thought it was one thing. But then I realized that all my skills can kind of, I can use them in a different way, for a different purpose. And so, you know, but, but all the things that I've done have been so kind of bizarre and unbelievable, you know, like, like, Who thinks about like, you know, I was like, late 30s, and overweight from cancer treatment and bald and literally sick from treatment. And I was like, I'm gonna learn how to, you know, fight these rapids. Why not? You know, and so I think, I think what's important sometimes it's like, how do we challenge our mind and our body to remember that like, we really still can do things and with our bodies, especially, you know, I Can I have lost all or part of my left ovary, left fallopian tube, right ovary, right fallopian tube, omentum, Appendix, cervix, uterus, vagina, rectum, many pieces of large intestine, and so many lymph nodes You can't imagine. So like my body is physically different.

Cutter 35:20
Yeah, absolutely.

Amanda 35:23
And so what I think is so cool is like, you kind of when you're disabled, you have to kind of sometimes try to turn it on its head. And remember that my body's amazing, because it can do so many things, despite all those challenges,

Cutter 35:38
Absolutely. Yeah.

Amanda 35:40
And it's, it's hard, because it's so different. And sometimes you just wish to be your old self. But you really, you really have to try to think about it like that, because it's definitely, you know, there's a lot that you can do. And I think, um, you know, for a lot of us cancer, terminal cancer, especially, you know, and I've been terminal for, like, I guess almost seven years now.

Cutter 36:05
Oh, wow. Yeah,

Amanda 36:06
um, you know, my expiration date was a long time ago. But like, I'm not dead yet.

Cutter 36:15
Is this another stop on you're not dead yet tour.

Amanda 36:18
Totally.

Cutter 36:19
Amazing.

Amanda 36:20
Absolutely.

Cutter 36:21
I'm honored to be a part, then. Amazing. Well, congrats on not being dead yet. There's a lot of beauty in that. And that being like the the slogan and the tagline is

Amanda 36:33
Yeah, your not dead yet too. There's a whole lot of things that are possibilities, if you think about it that way.

Cutter 36:42
That's so beautiful. I really like that.

Amanda 36:43
Thank you,

Cutter 36:44
Oh man. I gotta figure out if you're lying. That's sucks, Now you pulled on my heartstrings. Well, that is that is lovely.

Amanda 36:54
I mean, people, people challenge me a lot on it, because they think it's too, you know, they think it's inappropriate, or these are things you're not supposed to talk about, you know, I'm often, you know, I think of myself as like a pretty, you know, kind and appropriate person. But I think it's really important to be honest and direct about some of these things, you know, that are really about life and death. And so, you know, I'll, I do get a lot of crap sometimes for the slogan and things like that, because people say, you know, that's, that's like, that's too harsh. Like, you know, people always want you to be so positive about everything. Like, no, you're not gonna die. Can't you're gonna fight cancer to the I don't fight cancer. Cancer is like, literally some random cells in my body that decided to do something different. You know?

Cutter 37:52
No, it's not a fight.

Amanda 37:54
It's not a war. Yeah, I live with cancer, right?

Cutter 37:58
your bad roommates.

Amanda 38:01
And the whole thing is, like, you know, how people always say, like, they lost their battle to cancer. I think it's the most insulting thing you could ever say. Because, like, at least it's a tie. The cancer is definitely dead.

Cutter 38:14
That's true. That's true. Yeah.

Amanda 38:16
And it's also just this idea that, like, we have so much control over things that we don't really,

Cutter 38:22
like, you know, saying, like you lost your battle

, first of all, is like, they, they're, they're dead from it that feels insensitive, and to also be like, you know, if only you had tried, like, then it kind of it kind of inspires that thought. And that's clearly not true.

Amanda 38:36
If you think for a second that any of those people who like had one and done cancer, like that they're like, more impressive than somebody who's been like, living with it for years and has been going through treatment, like 10 times as long. It's so sad. It's like, Oh, no, you want You're awesome. And this other person, meanwhile, is like surviving every day. Yeah. You know, so I think I think there's a lot of misconceptions, but I just hate how people are so you know, sometimes we call it toxic positivity.

Cutter 38:57
Yeah.

Amanda 38:58
And there's also I don't know, but people like you who haven't had a cancer, we would like call you cancer muggles. You know,

Cutter 39:19
I like it. I like it

Amanda 39:20
Thats completely true. And there's a lot of things we say about cancer muggles that are kind of like, you know, it's just cancer muggle talk, you know, yeah, cause it's true, because it's just this kind of this kind of like, you can win if you try hard enough.

Cutter 39:36
There's very much a shared experience there. Yeah, among people who have cancer that, you know, I suddenly me is not a part of

Amanda 39:43
absolutely and so I think, for me, it also kind of goes back to how I got diagnosed. Because like, that harrowing experience that happened to me in Nicaragua, it was so scary, but like, it connected me for the first time to like everybody else who has had a scary medical problem like that. And has had to be scared in a hospital by themselves. That immediately made it, that put me in a club.

Cutter 40:09
Yeah, yeah, sure,

Amanda 40:10
you know, and that was really powerful. Because it just, you know, it's like, it's like one of those things in life that no matter how different you are from other people, yeah, if you share that.

Cutter 40:24
You're you're you're similar, absolutely,

Amanda 40:26
You absolutely are similar. And so it's just, it's always funny to think back to that moment. And like when that when I first heard that, I can say, you know what, I'm just in this place alone. And I'm hearing it in Spanish. And I'm thinking is this, you know, like, actually what they're saying,

Cutter 40:41
Right am I mistranslating it?

Amanda 40:42
Absolutely

Cutter 40:44
Yeah

Amanda 40:45
but you know, it goes back to that moment. And ever since that moment, I've been a survivor.

Cutter 40:49
Yeah, absolutely.

Amanda 40:50
So it's like, when we say cancer survivor, what we really mean is somebody who's from the moment they get diagnosed until they're dead, they're a survivor. So I just have to tell you also this little fun fact.

Cutter 41:03
Sure please.

Amanda 41:04
Because if anybody was born with ovaries, or if you care about anybody that was born with ovaries, so that I think includes every human being

Cutter 41:13
i would argue so yeah,

Amanda 41:15
right. Yeah. So you need to know these four symptoms of ovarian cancer. Yeah, cuz it is one of those diseases, that there isn't a test for like, when you go for your regular exam every year, they don't, there's no test for it. So this is something where you have any of these symptoms, you just go to the doctor and get it checked out. So the symptoms are pelvic or abdominal pains, bloating, feeling full quickly, like you ate, like, you're really hungry, but you ate only a little bit and you're full. Okay, and any kind of urinary issues, like you have, you have to pee all the time. You can't pee anything, anything weird. So it's basically like, if you have any of those symptoms that are new or unusual and last for like, two weeks, don't panic, just go to the gynacologist, you know, don't panic just get checked out, because those are symptoms of ovarian cancer, and almost all of us had some of them and weren't listened to.

Cutter 42:13
Of course, yeah.

Amanda 42:14
before we were diagnosed like before I even went to Nicaragua, like for the year before. I was going to the doctor saying something is wrong with me.

Cutter 42:23
Yeah. So interesting. It's like, it's how well we know our bodies to this stuff. Like that is so scary. That's amazing.

Amanda 42:33
It's important to know,

Cutter 42:34
Yeah good to know, everybody, listen up. If you experience any of those symptoms, new or different for two weeks, or longer, go get checked out, please

Amanda 42:42
Go get it checked out, and just advocate for yourself. Nobody else is really gonna do it. You have to be your own advocate. Absolutely, absolutely. And if someone you love is complaining about one of those symptoms, you know, if they were complaining about you know that their heart they thought they were having a heart attack, you would take them to the doctor, but for some reason, some of the symptoms, people just think, Oh, it's no big deal.

Cutter 43:05
Right, Yeah.

Amanda 43:05
you still need to follow up and go to the doctor salutely.

Cutter 43:08
Absolutely. Little PSA Thank you.

Amanda 43:11
Thank you. I can't help it. It's just in me.

Cutter 43:14
Oh, absolutely. No, I'm not gonna stop, I'm not gonna complain, amazing. Well, fascinating. Those are both amazing stories. I, I don't even know where to start. Because both are so intense. I mean, like, you have your one story where you are, you know, in, you know, in a medical emergency having to be rushed off of an island by boat in a foreign country speaking language as you are, that is a foreign language to you that you know, but still, and then your other one is this, like, heartwarming, like uplifting story of like living with terminal cancer for seven years and then being on this, like big tour. And, and you're, you know, now a medical researcher and all this is so fascinating and I don't even know where to start. Because I love both of them. Right. And it's similar similar to, you know, most of the stories is I want both to be true. Because I think both are amazing.

Amanda 44:11
Thank you.Thank you. I think it's important to remember that, you know, even things in life that are really challenging, you know, they teach you amazing lessons, and they can propel you in totally different directions than you thought possible.

Cutter 44:28
Absolutely. I'm so I'm so fascinated, I kind of part of me just wants to like jump like I don't want I guess to get it out of the way to jump to like, talking about it because they're both so fascinating. I don't know. I mean, it's so tough because both, you know, the they're both very compelling in and of itself. And they're very, like, you know, you know, every story that you know that we get on here, just like it's a lot of like serendipity. You're like, Yeah, why wouldn't that happen? But that's like kind of the point of the show, so it's not really good, a good metric you know, Oh, man. I Think here's what I think. I think that there, I think that you have one completely true story and one story with some truth in it, that that is being like warped and changed in some significant way. Right. And I think just just from, I think the fact that you tied the two stories together is also amazing that you've like, made them contingent on each other. It's so fascinating. I think. Now, you know, I'm gonna stick with this, I think that the Nicaragua story is is not true. And I'll and I'll, I'll touch on that. I think, first of all, I, when I knew you were going to be one of my guests, right. And I didn't know a ton about you, the first place that I went, which is, like a lot of people do is like, let's let's check social medias. Right. And so as I was, you know, roaming around social media, which is the only Twitter in particular, which is awesome, by the way, like, super cool stuff on there. I did see the not dead yet. In your bio. I did. I saw that hashtag at the end of your bio, which I was like, That part is at least true. And I know that you had done a lot with racial or talked a lot about racial disparities, disparities in cancer medication and cancer treatment. And so those parts to me are true. Right? And that's amazing. By the way, congrats. Awesome, very cool. I know you're, you're a speaker, and you speak a lot of places. And second story is just so like, it's so vibrant. And so like, it's so matches, like your personality and how I see you is like having this big mindset change and like, wanting to live in Idaho, like for no reason is is awesome. And from you know, even just from this like conversation, I could totally see that happening. And that's not to say that i i think the Nicaragua I don't you know, it's not that the Nicaragua story I find untrue. It's that I find that second story is so compelling. And I and I want to believe it, like I think partially, it's like, I want that second story to be true. So bad.

Amanda 47:02
Oh, that's so sweet, I mean, I do have terminal cancer in that second story that does kind of sad.

Cutter 47:09
Oh, of course, definitely miserable. But like, yeah, that is a good point.

Amanda 47:16
Okay. Yeah.

Cutter 47:16
But like the mindset about it is so good. And it does match the way that you've like, you know, you just come off and you just come off. So it's so vibrant and so excited to to be here, which is like kind of as you said, like not dead yet. I don't know. I mean, I like the Nicaragua story. I believe that you probably went to Nicaragua if that sounds true. I don't know just something about that second story feels so true and feels so like personal. Not that you couldn't not I don't think you could come up with it. Because like i've i've you know, continued to be impressed with with how good people are at lying to me. And I fear that I will be here in a second but it's you know, it's just that's so I'm so impressive and it's such a good mindset thing so I guess that will be my final guess I believe that some major part of that Nicaragua story is untrue. And that that is your full story and that all of this about your your journey and your you know, your four cancer diagnoses and and this like mindset and tour not dead yet Tour, which is an amazing like, I love that so much. I think I'm going to will it into existance and I am say that second story is true. That is my final guests

Amanda 48:29
You want to know. Are you ready?

Cutter 48:32
No. Yes. Yes, please.

Amanda 48:35
Okay, you're right. You're one and one. You got one. So you didn't fail this whole.

Cutter 48:44
That's all I wanted as long as as long as I got something in the win column.

Amanda 48:48
No your totally right.

Cutter 48:49
Amazing, right. So amazing.

Amanda 48:51
The actual truth is that I got cancer for the first time, about two and a half weeks after I got back from that Nicaragua trip.

Cutter 49:02
Oh, wow.

Amanda 49:03
And so I kind of told you the story of my nightmare, because I constantly was thinking when it when I first got sick, I constantly was thinking, Oh, my goodness, thank goodness, it didn't happen while I was in Nicarauga.

Cutter 49:20
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Amanda 49:21
It's still so true that the students helped me through it and still so true that they were so wonderful and supportive and stuff. But um, but Yep, that's the truth. I didn't actually find out then I found out when I was in Denver. Yeah, this is also a messed up story. But the real truth is, I was in Denver at a conference.

Cutter 49:42
Okay, sure.

Amanda 49:43
I was about to go down. And I was like, speaking at the breakfast plenary, which is not fancy at all.

Cutter 49:50
It sounded very fancy.

Amanda 49:51
It sounds fancy. And it's an honor to be included in the program.

Cutter 49:55
Oh, yeah.

Amanda 49:56
But it's basically the time when everybody's super hungover and they're like fighting they're like fighting over the the good type of bagel cream cheese.

Cutter 50:05
Yeah, that's from from the few conferences that I've like tangentially attended. Yeah, breakfast is the sluggish time,

Amanda 50:13
So its not the best spot. Sure I was I was reaching down to get my bag and I felt that pain. And so then I ended up in the ambulance and off to the hospital and that's tough. But what truly happened was they really did cut me open hip to hip and all that happened is and and basically when I was alone in the room in Denver by myself because I lived in San Francisco at the time. Wow. The the nurse comes in, she checks my vitals and she says to me, I'm so sorry to hear you have cancer. Nobody had even told me it was a possibility.

Cutter 50:46
That's the worst.

Amanda 50:50
like nobody had even said, you might you might have even we might find tumors or something like that. Nope. Everybody said Oh, it's just a super easy little little operation

Cutter 51:00
This is just post the like torsion operation that it was supposed to be. Oh, my.

Amanda 51:06
So she on accident told me that I had cancer.

Cutter 51:09
Oh, wow.

Amanda 51:10
I was just by myself for the next couple hours with no contacts and in Denver and being like, Is that true?

Cutter 51:18
What is is this the world's worst April Fool's joke?

Amanda 51:21
Did she just say that?

Cutter 51:23
Rightm It was she talking to someone else? That is horrifying. I feel like if I'm her, that's I don't know that I can ever go work at that hospital again. Like I think I gotta leave.

Amanda 51:34
She never knew

Cutter 51:35
she never knew.

Amanda 51:35
She never knew

Cutter 51:36
if you were a nurse at the Denver hospital in 2008. And you told the woman that you apologize that she had cancer after she had had what was supposed to be a torsion operation. This is for you, by the way.

Amanda 51:50
So yeah, so it still was completely crazy. But thank goodness, it did not happen in Nicaragua, because I definitely would have had to be evacuated on a speedboat.

Cutter 52:00
Lately that's terrifying. What a crazy It was so so Dr. Zack, I have to ask. He's still a real person. Still a doctor's

Amanda 52:07
An absolutely wonderful doctor

Cutter 52:09
got Dengue fever?

Amanda 52:11
Yes. him. I have seen him I saw him the last time like four years ago. He was at UCSF.

Cutter 52:19
Oh, nice. Yeah. Awesome.

Amanda 52:21
super talented. Oh, yeah. So that's all true I really did have to go the hospital with him and everything but but I just forever since then. I've always been like, thank goodness, it wasn't.

Cutter 52:34
I think that's so fair.

Amanda 52:36
My family, you can just imagine my family would have lost their mind.

Cutter 52:41
You're going there to like help with medical practices. And to like that, if that's your stated goal, and then you have to have these medical practices done on you like that's horrifying. Like, Oh, my goodness. Well, I'm very glad that that didn't happen, obviously. Wow, that's amazing. And then also all this all this, you know, not dead yet tour and and all these living these experiences, this mindset changes true, which Oh, yeah, I mean, warms my heart, honestly,

Amanda 53:07
I'm glad I could give you a good one in that way. I just, it's true. It's like life teaches you so many things through all the challenges. And I wouldn't wish any of the bad stuff on anybody. But you know, but I do think that like, one of the important things is that struggle can give you meaning, right and your life. And that's really good for our mental health to have meaningful things to do. And so for me, that's what I've been trying to work on ever since. And so even though I'm disabled, and even though I can't have like my normal career that I used to be really good at I, I now have to find these other ways to make impact. And sometimes it happens just through Twitter and random things like that.

Cutter 53:52
That's amazing.

Amanda 53:54
So you have adventures and you just live your life as much as you can. Because we none of us know how much time we have.

Cutter 54:00
Everybody live your life as much as you can. No, I love that. I love that so much. Thank you. That's awesome. Well, we're gonna take a quick break so you can listen to my two stories. We'll be right back with Amanda's guess as to which of my two stories is true. Hey, real quick, while Amanda is listening to my stories. If you'd like the podcast, be sure to hit the subscribe button wherever you're listening, whether that's on Spotify, Google podcasts, or wherever else you get your podcast so you'll never miss an episode. Also, just so you all remember my two stories. Here's a quick recap. In my first story, I had a friend get his hand crushed by the blinds in his dorm room on the night before one of my finals and I had to take him to the hospital that night, then almost slept through my funnel the next day. In my second final I got to talking to a potential friend in a pre college zoom event, only to find out that it was her mom pretending to be her but it still worked out because her mom recommended to her daughter that we be friends. Alright, with all that out of the way. Let's jump back into the action. So Amanda, you've just heard my two stories. What are your initial thoughts?

Amanda 55:03
Okay, so I really love that these are like just a slice of college life.

Cutter 55:09
Oh, absolutely

Amanda 55:10
These are so wonderful in that way, I feel so young listening, remembering the little haphazard craziness of communal living. And I've definitely I was so endeared to you before I even met you, because I totally remember that feeling of like, please let me make a friend in this first thing. Please let me have one person I can like email or follow up with or say hi to on campus, or whatever it is. Because that is such an overwhelming feeling. And during the pandemic, I can't even imagine it

Cutter 55:46
Yeah it was it was like I knew, you know, for a few friends of mine from high school or from you know, outside who were going to state. But even then I was like, like, I haven't seen these people in in, you know, six months. And now I'm going to go like, Oh, hey, I remember in 11th grade, like we're way past this point. So yeah, no, I mean, that was it was such a big thing. But you know, that obviously worked out in a very interesting way. But no, yeah, absolutely. That was a big part of it for me.

Amanda 56:14
So I loved both of the stories. So in the first story, I'm wondering, tell me again, kind of the timeline.

Cutter 56:22
I'll do my best I know that that's what everyone has come back to. And yeah, I get that, you know, and you get to you know, everybody's like dissecting, which is totally fair. And that's like the point of the show. If, if I recall, right from from all the timeline, it was a little past midnight, when I got the call from Justin, that, um, that he had dropped the blinds on his hand, which is such a funny sentence. And it would have been, it would have been we we called the the NC State like injury hotline pretty soon after, I think we would have left here it would have been close to one got to the urgent care, and then were sent to the emergency room, it would have been jeez like two, 2:30. And then I think I remember leaving the hospital like around, right around 4. I remember I got back here. I got back here. Like for 4:25. I think 4:30 maybe

Amanda 57:23
And when was your exam the next day?

Cutter 57:24
my exam was Oh, jeez. I'm gonna say it was it? Was it a 2:30 exam? I think. Yeah, I mean, that was I loved my econ class, but I was not worried about that exam. I could have totally written that email and been like I'm so sorry. I'm not gonna be there.

Amanda 57:43
You don't seem like that guy. No, no, you don't think like that guy that would have written an email about, especially about a final. I'm just saying that doesn't sound like you at all.

Cutter 57:56
No, I wouldn't. Yeah, that was my thought was like, that seems like a lot of work. Even for me, I don't really want to, you know,

Amanda 58:04
absolutely. Okay. And then tell me about the first time you met grace in person

Cutter 58:08
I met grace in person would have been a while because of COVID. We were only on campus for four weeks. And then we got kicked off first semester. And so I had a class that that grace was in a Ben Franklin Scholars Program class. And so I even would speak to her occasionally in class, just in discussion. Not a lot casually. Um, and it would have been early second semester. I think I think when I met her in person after you know, we she was in my, in my engineering 101 class that we did, we flipped engineering 102 and 101 with the hopes of having engineering one on one in person. Obviously, that didn't happen. So you know, weird thing, but no, so we had the same engineering 101 class. And so we would occasionally chat, you know, privately while that was going on, and just talk about the class. And I think it was after some some, like projects related to that class. We, you know, she said that she was going to tally with a few friends and I, you know, it was such a weird thing. She was like, Oh, I'm gonna go to tally, but it like, wasn't an invitation. But it wasn't not an invitation. And so I messaged her and I was like, are you inviting me? And she was like, I don't know. And I'm like, that's not helpful. So I ended up going, I'm like, Well, I'm inviting myself but whatever. And so I think yeah, it was the first time that we had met in person. And we started hanging out more after that, and then it was, man, maybe maybe like a week or two after that. Okay. Um, that she she messaged me and told me that she had the story to tell me.

Amanda 59:55
Wonderful, wonderful. Okay, so I'm ready to guess,

Cutter 59:57
please yeah, by all means.

Amanda 59:58
Okay. With all of my Heart. Okay, I really want the story with grace to be true. So I'm picking that one.

Cutter 1:00:07
Okay, so you think that one is true.

Amanda 1:00:09
I love Grace's mom. Yeah, I totally know that mom. Working in higher education for all the years I have. Absolutely totally know that mom, I can see the conversation going like mom, I have to go do this thing and mom is like, but your in this Ben Franklin Scholars Program and your gonna miss this important important event. Oh, man. Yeah, mom was probably freaking out. And she was like, Listen, I got to go to work. What can I possibly do? But you can't miss it. And so they came up with this ruse, I'll just go on this video and I'll just pretend to be you. And I especially love that it was like you, you need to be friends with this kid cutter. That is so sweet. And my mom, definitely when I when I went to college orientation at George Washington University in two in 1997. Sure, a million years ago. What year were you born?

Cutter 1:01:06
I was born in 2002. So You were out you were out of undergrad before I was born.

Amanda 1:01:13
So basically, that I remember going to orientation and literally my mother meeting other parents. And she said the opposite. My mom said, oh, there's this boy who his mother still calls to wake him up every morning.

Cutter 1:01:32
That's I mean, that's

Amanda 1:01:33
definitely do not hang out with him.

Cutter 1:01:35
I agree with your mom on that one. That's a big no go for me.

Amanda 1:01:40
She was like this kid is such a mama's boy. He cannot even handle like waking up.

Cutter 1:01:47
Wow, that is intense.

Amanda 1:01:49
So yeah, so she told me the opposite. So I can I totally know that mom. I think Grace is adorable. So please tell her pass this on.

Cutter 1:01:58
If if she indeed exists, I will let her know.

I like the grace story.

You like the grace story. Oh I do too, are you kidding me? It's phenomenal. So that is your guess. You're the second person who's guessed that story. I wonder if this is gonna be?

Amanda 1:02:14
No, it didn't influence me. I listened to Maddie's conversation with you. And it didn't influence me. I thought this beforehand. But then it was just, it's just something about? I don't know. It's just so cute. I just want it to be true because grace and her mom are just adorable. Sure. Absolutely. And there's something the other story for me is just, it's just great. But it's like, and I believe that pieces of it are true.

Cutter 1:02:44
Fair.

Amanda 1:02:45
I just don't think the whole thing's true.

Cutter 1:02:46
Fair. I think that's very fair. Well, we shall see come season's end. Well, that'll do it for this episode. Amanda, thank you so much for joining me. I think we learned that while, you didn't get diagnosed in Nicaragua. You almost did. But you've still gone on this amazing journey that I think we can all take a great inspiration from. So thanks for joining me, where can listeners find more of you?

Amanda 1:03:11
You can follow me on Twitter. It's actually Michigan should talk like MI Should talk. And on Instagram you can find me at MI like Michigan manda M A N D A. And on Instagram, you can especially see my art which I make and sell crazy handmade card that are all unique I've never made to like and that's another thing that I do with my not dead yet time.

Cutter 1:03:39
You make like cards?

Amanda 1:03:41
I make cards some really wacky ones with lots and lots of like collages and you know lots of like paint and ink and all sorts of stuff.

Cutter 1:03:52
Amazing. You learn something more even after those two amazing stories. Well, thank you so much for joining me.

Amanda 1:03:58
Thank you This was so much fun and I wish you the best and I feel like we've known each other for years.

Cutter 1:04:05
I do too. It's been an honor. That we'll do it for this episode. Our Intro Music is popped on get off of compositions 2 used under the Creative Commons license found on Free Music Archive. Our outro music is vintage news. Off of Production Music used under the Creative Commons license also found on Free Music Archive. I've been cutter. This has been You'll never believe me but and thank you all for listening. Good day and good night.

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Cutter 00:00

Good morning. Good afternoon and good evening everyone. My name is Cutter, though you may know me as Three bears in a Coat on air on HD-1, and welcome to the second episode of, "You'll never believe me, but..."

Cutter 00:20

"You'll never believe me, but..." is a storytelling podcast being produced here at WKNC about lying to me, every episode I have a guest on, they tell me two stories, one real and one fake, and I have to decide which is real between them. For those of you that are new here, or for those of you that need a quick refresher, I'm going to run down the three rules we have here before we get into today's episode. Rule number one, your story should not do significant damage to anyone else or their character. We're not trying to be outwardly mean to anyone other than ourselves. Rule number two, if someone else is featured in the story, you must either have their permission to say their name or use a fake name for them, you agreed to come on the show and tell these stories. But unless they agreed to have these stories told, just use a fake name. And rule number three, and this is the easiest one. All stories should start with You'll never believe me but and then a brief synopsis for starting the story, just so we all know what we're getting into, and is a nice little nod to the show's title. So with all of that housekeeping stuff out of the way, let's go ahead and get into today's episode. Today's guest is Maddie, a good friend of mine at the station and WKNC's general manager who does a ton for the station. Maddie, how you doing?

Maddie 01:29

I'm doing pretty well. Thanks for having me. This is exciting

Cutter 01:31

Thank you for coming on the podcast and being my first guest ever. I'm so excited that it got to be you. Are you pumped to tell me your two stories?

Maddie 01:41

Oh, yes, definitely.

Cutter 01:42

Very interested. I was told a little birdie told me that you were coming up with stories during your cycling class. Is that true?

Maddie 01:50

Okay, that's partially true. The thing is, like, I came up with them over the weekend, but you know, like, since one is fake, I'm going to have to make it seem real, you know. So I need to like elaborate on the details for that story. And I was talking with Jamie about that, who's the station advisor, like an hour or two ago, right before I left for my class. And so my class was a gym class where we ride bikes for an hour and get really sweaty. So while I was doing that, I was ironing out the details to my fake story. So yes, I guess that's partially true.

Cutter 02:23

That is awesome. I'm very excited to see if your stories are cycling inspired or not. That is unfortunate. But if it is the gig as well, unless you have any other questions for me, we will go ahead and get started.

Maddie 02:36

I don't think so.

Cutter 02:36

All right, then take it away.

Maddie 02:40

You'll never believe me but I got stuck in the washing machine when I was playing hide and seek with my brothers as a young child. So I say that but it might actually be like somewhat believable because kids are like stupid.

Cutter 02:54

Yeah, kids are really dumb.

Maddie 02:55

Ya know, Yeah.

Cutter 02:57

So I want to get this out of the way. I so my family was very adamant that I was not to go in the washing machine as a child, they that was something that hammered in to me a ton. So is that the same for you before we get into how you got stuck?

Maddie 03:11

I don't think Well, I mean, you say that How much did they have to like tell you not to get into the washing machine?

Cutter 03:19

Okay, well, it did come up like, way more than it should have I was definitely a little bit of like a monkey like child as I was just like flying around everywhere. All right. And so the washing machine was always one of those things where I was like, ooh, let's get inside and spin around. Okay, that's me. Please tell me how you got stuck in the washing machine.

Maddie 03:42

Well, we were playing hide and seek I don't know are you like an only child Do you have a younger sibling?

Cutter 03:46

No I've got a younger sibling

Maddie 03:47

Did you play hide and seek as a kid?

Cutter 03:49

I did

Maddie 03:50

Yeah, we used to do that all the time. And this is I'm not gonna say completely out of my memory range but I was definitely younger than 10 so this story is more like based off of what my mom has told me because I don't remember a lot of it. Maybe blocked half of it out because it was like a traumatic experience and stuff but as children my two younger brothers they're twins and two years below me we played hide and seek a lot we had like a fairly big house I guess so lots of places to hide and stuff but

Cutter 04:21

absolutely

Maddie 04:22

you know when you play hide and seek you just oh you shouldn't go in the washing machine and like you said I feel like I'm sure my mom or dad was like hey guys when you play hide and seek don't go on the washing machine but maybe it should have been drilled in my head more because I was like, let's go into the washing machine. And I saw like it's a pretty good hiding spot. I feel like I'm in this house. I don't know like if this is no I feel like it's pretty standard like the washing machine was was its own room like it had its own door and you could like walk in there and fit in there and stuff. And I remember also during Hide and Seek they were like the laundry hampers kind of And we'd all we'd often hide in those or even just like kind of behind the door, but then leave the door open and stuff like that. But I guess this one time I decided to amp it up a bit and be like, it's washing machine time. And like I said, I was really young. I don't know how old six, seven. I don't know. But I apparently got stuck in the washing machine. I again, like because this was so long ago. I don't remember a lot of it. But I probably sat there for a while like, Oh, sure. 10, 20, 30 minutes, maybe more just waiting for someone to come and find me. But I guess like, it's a good thing that no one found me because that means I picked a really good hiding spot. Yeah. I think what happened is like they couldn't find me, um, my brothers that is and I guess like how we played was like, if someone couldn't find one person, they just like scream around the house. Like I give up. Where are you? Blah, blah, blah. So I was like, I'm in the washing machine. And they were probably like, Oh, no. I don't know. Like, it doesn't make sense. If I was able to get in there. How like, I couldn't get out. But I feel like part of that was probably like, once you have a feeling in your mind, then like, your mind makes things so much like scarier than it is. So because like when my mom like, found out and I guess she was all like, what are you doing in there, you're going to get stuck. So now like I have it in my mind, I will get stuck in here. And of course, that's what happened. So I think I was like panicking freaking crying. Stuff like that. I don't know. We didn't have to like, I don't know what the like emergency plan would be like, like, called the fire department know what would happen but after like, I was able to calm down and stop crying for a bit. I just kind of like we could just bent me and got me out of the washing machine. I guess. So.

Cutter 06:52

Did you have was it like a front loading washing machine or?

Maddie 06:56

yeah, that was uh, okay. I should have clarified. Yeah. If it was a top loader.

Cutter 07:00

I would have been very impressed if you'd been able to get in there. Yeah, I don't know. I have a top loader. Okay. I don't know that I can fit even a small person in there. Yeah. That is fascinate. Well, I don't know. I mean, like, I've never tried to open a washing machine from the inside. I know it has a latch.

Maddie 07:17

I don't. I think I was, I was probably smart enough not to, like close the door on me. Or maybe like I could maybe like the manufacturers of the washing machines are smart enough or smart enough to know that kids are not smart. So they probably like make away so you can't like close it. It's not that like the door closed on me. It's just like, the way I had gotten myself fit in there. I couldn't get myself unfit un-out.

Cutter 07:43

Sure. Yeah. Like you pretzled yourself in there. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I played hide and seek a lot with my cousins. Because with with the two of them that makes four of us. Yeah. And we'd always play my grandmother's house. And I remember that that was the one rule that she was always adamant about. She was like, do not get in the washing machine, you will get stuck. And I always thought that was super silly. Because I was like, Well, how are you gonna get stuck in the washing maching? And clearly I overestimated.

Maddie 08:12

Yeah, and I feel like I've heard other stories about stuff like this when they play hide and seek and get stuck in the washing machine. So you know, stuff like that. But little side note that's not even like I should have just like done smarter with my Hide and Seek because the best hide and seek that was ever at least that I have. I remember is that okay? Have you ever like been in the houses with like the attic that pulls down from the ceiling. There was one of those in my house and there was like a not that it was like hidden but it was like it was in my parents bedroom closet. So like to get to it. You had to go through their bedroom and then through the bathroom and then their closet was like off the bathroom.

Cutter 08:58

Yeah yeah, I know what you mean.

Maddie 08:58

That is so funny. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Honestly, I could totally see me doing that. Yeah, I would totally sweet talk a parent. That is hilarious. So you got stuck in a washing machine.

Maddie 08:58

And so it was just kinda like far back in there and its not that we were like told not to go in their closet but like typically like i guess, don't and I think one time my brother like cause he's obviously, we weren't tall enough to reach up and pull down the thing, I think he sweet talked my dad into pulling down the thing and putting him up in the attic so he could hide from us. And we could not find him, I remember this went on for like half an hour maybe more and yeah and then eventually he was like I'm in the attic and we were like thats not fair.

Maddie 09:32

Yep.

Cutter 09:33

As a kid.

Maddie 09:34

Yep.

Cutter 09:34

Like we're all told not to do. Yeah, that is

Maddie 09:53

or maybe just you.

Cutter 09:54

Maybe it's just me.

Maddie 09:55

But I can't say I've met anyone else who's gotten stuck in a washing machine. But maybe people don't want to talk about it. It was a traumatic experience?

Cutter 10:04

Oh, I'm sure. I appreciate you having the bravery to come on and tell me this very vulnerable story. That is hilarious. Awesome. Any other comments about getting stuck in the washing machine? How was it in there?

Maddie 10:16

Not fun. Well, no. Well, again, I don't remember a lot of it. But probably at the time, I was probably feeling pretty good about myself because they couldn't find find me. So I was like, I got a pretty good hiding spot and stuff. So I was probably nice and cozy in there. Because again, like it's all in your mind. And like, as soon as like, my mom was like, What are you doing in there? You'll get stuck, then it was like, in my mind, I will get stuck. Yeah, but like, that's how kids are. It's kind of like, when a kid falls down.

Cutter 10:45

Yes. You don't acknowledge that.

Maddie 10:47

Don't tell them don't ask them if they're hurt. Because if they if you ask them if they're hurt, they'll start crying. Yeah, if you just don't acknowledge it, though. I don't. It's it's hilarious. Like, I'm sorry. It's really funny. I'm totally Yeah,

Cutter 11:00

I'm very much like that. Well, wonderful. Thank you very much for that first story.

Maddie 11:04

Yep. You'll never believe me. But my second story involves the person who gets stuck someplace as well. In this story, my brother got stuck on a waterslide causing the waterslide to shut down for over an hour.

Cutter 11:20

That is amazing that both stories are about someone in your family getting stuck.

Maddie 11:26

Yeah, because there's one story that's real, obviously, I'm not going to tell you. It's just hilarious. And so and I was struggling to think of like another story. So I was like, What if I just continue with the theme of people to get stuck in places

Cutter 11:41

That is amazing. Alright, please by all means.

Maddie 11:44

So this one is more recent memory. It was 2013, 2014 some time my family took a cruise which isn't that important, but sure we were in Atlantis. Do you know what that is?

Cutter 11:58

Sounds familiar.

Maddie 11:59

It's it's a waterpark. I don't want to like

Cutter 12:02

Oh, yes, I'm on board now

Maddie 12:04

might be in the Bahamas, somewhere out there where cruise ships often go to a tropical island or something. So we were at Atlantis. My brothers and family we have always enjoyed water parks waterslides stuff like that. So this is just another one in the list of water parks that we had been to I do not remember the name of the ride. I was gonna look up online to see if this ride like still existed. But I forgot to do that. I should do that though. But basically, um, I'd say like, there are two types of water slides. There's the ones where you go down alone, so just you or the ones where like three to four people get on a big raft and everyone goes down at the same time. Oh, this was the first type where everyone goes down alone. Okay, which adds to the fun of the story, I guess. Yeah, yeah, we were in line. So my one brother Cason was first and then I was next Landon was next which is my other brother and then my dad was last so I love this story because you get told from it from every different perspective because everybody has a different perspective. So I'll through the list of the perspectives so

Cutter 13:26

in just to clarify which brother gets stuck

Maddie 13:28

Landon is the one that gets stuck. The one before me, so awesome. Yeah, so this water slide um, you have to like, wait in a line and like walk up and then you're in this little like wading pool area and there's like an attendant lifeguard there who has like a walkie talkie and talks to like the lifeguard at the bottom who's like okay, this kid just popped out the next one is good, sure, blah blah blah. But and then also this ride once you got out of the waterslide you were in like a lazy river type thing for like 10 or 15 minutes just alone so kind of a long time. Yeah, then once you got through all that you were just in like this like waiting big pool that was huge and stuff so Cason went down, fine, uneventful. Of course. I didn't know what it was like though, because you go down alone and stuff. I went down, everything was fine. It was a dark waterslide I know that sometimes they like kind of like blackout the sides to make it more like exciting or stuff like that. So that's an important part of the story it is a dark waterslide pretty narrow as well. But then once I got out, I was just chillin down the lazy river and stuff and then eventually I got to like the end pool and Cason was there. So now we're just waiting hanging out. Like, five minutes go by. Okay. Not too weird because it takes a bit Sure. 10 minutes go by 15 minutes go by to be like maybe half an hour now, Landon is nowhere to be seen. So Cason and I are here. I'm like, I was like 13 at the time, so not super young, but still kind of young. If I was 13 Cason would have been like 10 or 11. Right, so we're starting to get worried. We have no idea what's going on, no clue. Alright, so now we're gonna switch perspectives. I actually like my dad's perspective most because my dad was after Landon. So according to my dad, Landon had gone down the waterslide. And the lady up at the top was like on the walkie talkie and stuff and she was like calling like, Is he out? Like, where's the kid and stuff and the person on the other end was like, I don't know I don't see anyone and they were just like waiting there for an unusually long and then the lady like calls like just calls down like into the tube like, Hey, are you in there? And then apparently, Landon just calls back "help I think I'm stuck" he wasn't sure actually sure. Natural.

Cutter 16:26

I mean, I'm not moving. I'm in a water slide may not be stuck though.

Maddie 16:32

This guy this guy. Again, this is all according to my dad because Cason and I were at the bottom completely freaking out. Like Where is our family? The lady at the top of the waterslide just kind of just like apparently like dives in headfirst down the tube. So that's all my dad just saw sees her just kind of dive in. And then like my dad's next in line, and they're just this line of people all behind him who are just like what in the world is going on? My dad was there for maybe I don't know, like another five or 10 minutes. And then like some employee like walked up the stairs like came in like the back way and was like, I'm sorry, everybody, the ride is temporarily closed for like another hour or so. So everyone in line just had to like, get up and just like walk down the stairs like they wouldn't let people keep keep going down the slide. I don't know why maybe they have to like check stuff. Who knows weird. So probably about 30 to 45 minutes after Cason in and I were like in the pool. Finally our dad comes but instead of like coming like out of the slide he like comes from behind. And we're so confused, obviously because he's coming from behind us not in the tube, Landon isn't there.

Maddie 17:55

Right.

Cutter 17:55

So we're all just like what is going on? So he has to explain everything to us? And lastly, from Landon's perspective in the tube the reason why he said I think I'm stuck is because if I remember him correctly at the time, he said because it was dark in there. He wasn't sure if he was moving yeah I don't think so. You're still able to feel movement. I think what happened or what he meant is that he was like in like a slower part of the ride so he was just moving very slowly. I realized an important part of the story that explains why he got stuck he has always been very small. So this ride had a lot of ups and downs and stuff and it was one where you needed momentum right from the going down like to go back up and I guess he was just too small. didn't have enough and just kind of got stuck at the bottom. But I can't This is so many years ago I'd have to like I honestly don't know if he like remembers more of it than me. I would say probably but I don't know. He said like the attendant just came up and just pushed him all the way out of the slide

Cutter 18:27

That is amazing

Maddie 18:51

and then just like floated with him like in like the river thing out of the slide. So that was an interesting story. We It was so much fun. I'm on the cruise ship like every night you'd have like a big meal with everyone towards the end of the night and stuff and this was not just me and my brothers and my dad It was like my grandparents were there my cousins and stuff so I just remember my dad like telling the story that night we were like laughing so hard when we ate and like everyone in the room was like staring at us like what is so hilarious over here? Yeah, it was just man

Cutter 19:58

No, that's phenomenal. Yeah, no, yeah. I like like the your dad showed up behind you was like, hey yeah you know your brother is like not here, that is so great

Maddie 20:08

That's probably exactly like what he said he probably that's just very much him he he probably came up and was like your brother is stuck.

Cutter 20:17

Oh my Goodness. And I like the fact that the lifeguard was like, yeah, I'm just gonna dive down and get him.

Maddie 20:24

I mean, what else do you do?

Cutter 20:27

No idea. No, I don't know. I watched I said this is a small tangent that and then I'll you know, leave any other comments to you

Maddie 20:34

Oh, it is fine.

Cutter 20:36

I was at Great Wolf Lodge. Okay. Yeah, like the one in Charlotte or whatever with my family. And we watch you know, the the big like, funnel slide, whatever.

Cutter 20:44

I have gone down that one

Cutter 20:45

Amazing love it. In my family. All four of us are getting on. And we watch the lady who's taking care of it slip like just in the like the little wading pool. Yeah. And then get carried by the current down the giant funnel like down and into the giant funnel.

Maddie 21:01

Without like a tube?

Cutter 21:03

yep, just her. And I was like, Oh,

Maddie 21:05

that's a Drop.

Cutter 21:07

It is a heck of a drop. And we watched her just like slowly like, Bob, like around the corner. You're like, Oh, well. All right. And I think we waited another 10 minutes. Another lifeguard probably the person at the bottom came up the stairs and was like Hey, guys, we can start going again.

Maddie 21:22

Oh my god.

Cutter 21:23

So very reminiscent of that. That is Yeah, that is slays. Well, yeah, I holy crap. That's so funny. Probably terrifying, though, to be trapped in a super dark slide for like, 20 minutes. Yeah, at least. Wow.

Maddie 21:37

What's more scary getting trapped in a waterslide for like, 20 minutes or a washing machine?

Cutter 21:45

Oh, that's a good question. See, I think the the dark water slide and the sounds of water are are like, less than comforting. Okay, like, I feel like like the darkness and especially if you're like 11 or 10. Again, your mind starts to go a little crazy. Yeah, I feel like I don't know. But I mean, the the fear of being forever stuck in a washing machine I think will will haunt me now as a result of your story. Yeah, I don't know. I've had That's very interesting. Yeah, it's good thought. Well, that is lovely. I mean, not for him, obviously. But a lovely story.

Maddie 22:21

He's the type of person who, okay, I know you don't know my brothers. But if Cason was the one who had gotten stuck in there, he would have been like screaming crying. He is very, I don't know the word just prone to panicking, I guess. And Landon is just chill with stuff. He just doesn't care what happens. So although that's probably fine.

Cutter 22:44

Um, yeah, of course. I'm sure everyone was fine. Oh, yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Well, that is lovely. Thank you very much. Yep. All right. So we have two wonderful stories, one where you get stuck in a washing machine playing hide and seek and one where your brother gets stuck in a waterslide for half an hour and what they closed it for like an hour.

Maddie 23:06

Something like that? I would have to ask my dad. But if Yeah, it was shut down for at least an hour, maybe more.

Cutter 23:13

Oh, my goodness, that both of those are horrifying. I think for different reasons. I think I think the guilt of closing a waterslide or like ruining everyone's for like an hour or more. You know what, that's definitely the more terrifying one. Because of the fear of like getting stuck in a washing machines like sucks. But now you've closed a waterslide for people for like an hour at least. Okay, so maybe that's just me.

Maddie 23:39

I think that's more like if I did that, I'd say like, to me, I wouldn't feel guilty. I'd feel powerful. Like a small child, I had so much power, I can shut down a water machine. Know what water washing machine water slide for an hour or more? Because I am so small,

Cutter 24:00

because you're so small, I think Yeah, I love that. All right now. I mean, I don't think I even have any more questions. I think you've you've done a phenomenal job fleshing out both of these stories, where I think I'm just going to make my guess. I am going to say I believe that your first story is true. I believe that you got stuck in a washing machine playing hide and seek. And I think partially I believe that because I don't know that a waterpark would be willing to close an entire slide for like an hour and a half because it got stuck. And I also think that your little anecdote at the end of the Hide and Seek like talking more about Hide and Seek sounded very believable to me, but maybe that's just me, so that I'm gonna Yeah, that's what I'm going to say. I'm going to say that your that you did get stuck in a washing machine as a child and that your brother did not get stuck in in a waterslide or did a different time but not that signifigantly

Maddie 25:02

so you're going off that mainly just because you just think oh I waterpark would not like shut down the ride for a while?

Cutter 25:09

I hate when you say it like that. It doesn't sound as convincing. I mean no and I think that personal anecdote does a lot as well. I think that sounded that you sound very believable when you added that little extra piece of information that

Maddie 25:24

extra piece about when my brother went up in the attic.

Cutter 25:27

Okay, yeah, and he was in the attic. They're both they're both about very similar subject matter. It's I think, which I really I really like. as a as a good little little theming device. Man, you know what? Yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna stick I'm gonna stick with this one. My final answer is that you did get stuck in a washing machine as child.

Maddie 25:48

I am so amazed that my lying skills are that good.

Cutter 25:51

You? Are you kidding me?

Maddie 25:53

I never got stuck in a washing machine. I made that up over the weekend. Which means the water slide is true so I want you to reevaluate that actually happened. Yes. I

Cutter 26:08

Oh, my goodness. I think I think I've been betrayed by my personal biases. I think by how often I was told as a kid that it would be so easy to get stuck in a washing machine. Okay. Yeah, like solidified this idea of like, if you get in a washing machine, you're going to get stuck.

Maddie 26:24

That is so valid.

Cutter 26:25

So Oh, man. So your brother really got stuck?

Maddie 26:30

Yes.

Cutter 26:31

In a waterslide at a water park in you know, wherever some tropical place?

Maddie 26:39

Yeah.

Cutter 26:41

And closed it for like an hour.

Maddie 26:43

Yes.

Cutter 26:43

That is phenomenal.

Maddie 26:45

When you brought that up, though. It does, like bring up the question. Why would they shut down the slide? Because Okay, this is getting kind of, um, what's the word? gruesome. But I don't know if you've ever heard of like roller coasters that or water slides that have to get shut down because someone sticks their hand out too far. That's why they have like signs up. Let's say like, keep your hands because fingers and have gotten ripped off yeah, if something like that happens. It makes sense. why you'd have to like shut down the ride. Because there's like stuff to clean up I guess. But my brother was literally fine. Yeah, so I don't I do not know why they had to shut down the ride for like an hour or so. But that did happen.

Cutter 26:45

That is fascinating.

Maddie 26:50

Yeah.

Maddie 26:51

Yeah. Cuz the I guess you have a lifeguard would have seen that he was fine. Yeah, it's not.

Maddie 27:05

I guess not because it was in the dark.

Cutter 27:15

Well, but then but then, you know, once you get to the end, you're like, Okay, yeah, you have all your fingers and toes like

Maddie 27:41

that makes me think that like maybe No, because they wouldn't shut it down for the rest. I wish like, I don't wish but it'd be funny if this was such a big event. They wrote like a news article about it or something

Cutter 27:54

That would be amazing, that would be a great tagline as well. Like You'll never believe me but my brother had a news article written about him because he was too small to ride a waterslide or something that would be amazing. Wow, I first of all, that is very impressive that story is the base is the attic anecdote true i guess is my question.

Maddie 28:14

The when Landon went in the attic Yes, that part was true. Yeah. Was that not supposed to be true?

Cutter 28:21

No, no, that's no that's totally fine to have been true. That was just a little addition to the story. Like I have no qualms with that.

Maddie 28:27

Yeah, the part about like us hiding in the hampers is was definitely true. We did that as well. We do we do use the laundry room a lot to hide in. But you know what, but it is kind of true that I don't remember a lot from Hide and Seek and it same kid Landon might have hidden the washing machine wash once. I genuinely do not know it would not seem too out of place for something he do if you haven't picked on he's kind of like a weird kid.

Cutter 28:54

Yeah, sure.

Maddie 28:55

Like I remember when this is also true when he first went to middle school, um, he could fit inside the lockers, so he would like hide in the locker so it wouldn't be too out of place for Landon to hide in the washing machine and get stuck. I never got stuck in the washing machine

Cutter 29:14

sure that that is fascinating. I Okay, I'm gonna get this other way. I am absolutely crushed that I've managed to mess up my first guest. I was like, I was like, when I came when I sat down to record, right and I got in today I was like, okay, as long as I don't get my first one wrong. I'm totally cool. And I've fear, right? And my fear is that my credibility is shot. that from now on every guest of mine. I'm gonna I'm gonna sit here for like five minutes stewing in silence being like, I have to start rebuilding my credibility. I mean, you can say it I know I'm i mean

Maddie 29:58

i don't think this needs to be about Like a game? It's just fun.

Cutter 30:02

Oh, it is fun. And I'm giving myself a hard time. Yeah, partially because I thought it'd be better at it. But yeah,

Maddie 30:09

Maybe that just means like, I'm good at lying. I don't I don't know.

Cutter 30:13

I don't see why not sample size of one, of course,

Maddie 30:15

sample size of one.

Cutter 30:16

So I am zero and one in guessing stories. I'm gonna keep track of that. Don't you worry by the end, we're gonna have a whole record and a percentage. I'm gonna do some stats for it at the end. That sounds like a lot of work.

Maddie 30:30

No, it seems fun actually,

Cutter 30:31

I think it'd be a good time. But that is hilarious. I cannot believe that he got stuck in a waterslide. Yeah, for being too small.

Maddie 30:39

You'll never believe me. But it happened.

Cutter 30:41

But it happened. But it did happen. That is wonderful. Well, I think now it's time for you to listen to my two stories. Yeah. And you'll get to ask some questions and make your guess. Yep. So we will be right back with Maddie's guess. Maddie, you've just heard both of my stories. What are your thoughts right off the bat?

Maddie 31:02

Right off the bat. Honestly, both of them feel like not true. And I'm not like making fun of your storytelling, but I just find them both of them. Just like how did this happen? But like, yeah, maybe that's what my stories feel like too? I don't I don't know

Cutter 31:16

very much so I mean, that is after all the name of the shows You'll never believe me but. And if you don't believe me on either than then I've done probably a pretty good job.

Maddie 31:23

Yeah.

Cutter 31:24

So yeah, I mean, any any questions about anything, any comments, any, you know, connections relations you can make?

Maddie 31:31

I guess, like in terms of like trying to decide if which one is real or not. I did based off the first story. I had a similar experience. My freshman year of college, I was just in the middle of math class. And then all of a sudden, like the sharpest worst pains I've ever felt just like shot through my stomach. And it wasn't like period time of the month. So I know, like, it wasn't that and I just started freaking out. And this was only like 4 or 5pm. Okay, by that point like, campus? The Health, student health?

Maddie 32:07

Yeah, yeah, sure,

Maddie 32:08

Student Health was closed. So my boyfriend and I, at the time, we had to take an Uber to an urgent care. And actually, the urgent care was about to close.

Cutter 32:18

Okay

Maddie 32:18

This was like five or 6pm. So that made me think like the first story, okay, but at the same time, urgent cares. Like, it makes sense that they should be open all hours in case of emergencies. Right. Yeah. But it was close to close when I went. And I think I remember one time in high school, my mom wanted to go to an urgent care but it was closed. But you did also say in the story that like some urgent cares are like open later, which would make sense it right. If it's an urgent care, it should be open, like at all hours of the day.

Cutter 32:50

Yeah, I agree. But I agree. I've had similar things happen to me where they have been closed, which is why you know, at the time is maybe I didn't do a great job of expressing, I was surprised that it was open. I even when I found it on Google Maps, I was like, open now is like, what? Why? It's, you know, at that point, you know, it's like, 2am I was like, why would you still be okay, then get in the car and go.

Maddie 33:11

Okay, so that's my comments on the first story I think, like, I'm trying to think literally back when I was in dorms if the blinds had the metal box, and I think they did.

Cutter 33:22

They do. I mean, I was in a dorm, you know, this past semester, but of course, you're trying to discern what I'm saying is a lie. So it's not like that much matters. They do have a bit of boxes, though.

Maddie 33:32

Yeah. And I think I feel like they're, they're not super easy to pop off. But they can. I think I've succeeded in like making one come off before and but thankfully it didn't crush my hand. Now. I think like I was trying to like take it off to like paint under it because I was like, repainting my walls or stuff. I think so.

Cutter 33:51

Oh, my goodness.

Maddie 33:51

Yes. So that's that?

Cutter 33:54

Yeah, sure. What do you what do you what are your thoughts on the second story

Maddie 34:00

The second story? Just makes me think like, why wouldn't her mom like, it just makes me think like, why would the mom just not say like, Oh, I'm not actually the daughter like, I'm her mom. Or just like, why wouldn't you say that? Like why double down on the lie? Yeah, like, Why keep going? And then and then. Okay, this is an important part. important part. If so, it seems like the About the only information you gathered from her from her mom was like her second major was Arabic or something. Did you ever continue to have conversations with grace about well, no, because her mom was probably right.

Cutter 34:38

No, her mom was right. Her second major is Arabic.

Maddie 34:41

Okay, so shoot she wouldn't ever like question that

Cutter 34:44

No, no, I mean, I you know, I, you know, I think I reached out a few days later, and I was like, hey, super great to talk to you. Or maybe she whatever. I know that we it wouldn't have been a few days though because it was. Yeah, eventually. I mean eventually you know

Maddie 35:00

okay, okay, that makes more sense

Cutter 35:02

We reconnected so

Maddie 35:04

See, like, I'm leaning towards like the second story about the mom is the true one, but it makes me think like, why would a mom like, do that? Like, that's so weird.

Cutter 35:12

It is very weird. Absolutely. I totally understand that.

Maddie 35:16

And you're not gonna tell me which one is true or not.

Cutter 35:18

I am not. Your gonna make your guess. And you're gonna get to wait until the end of season one.

Maddie 35:24

And when does that happen, I need answers now.

Cutter 35:28

It'll happen when it happens in a few months.

Maddie 35:31

A few months?

Cutter 35:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah.Around the end of this term as it were

Maddie 35:38

I think I'm yeah, I'm gonna like, clock, lock in my final answers is the mom, fake daughter, zoom. one is the true story. And the friend hand crushes the fake story.

Cutter 35:52

Okay, and why is that if I if I might ask?

Maddie 35:56

um, the friend, hand crush fake thing, just because I know that like some urgent cares are closed. But I feel like it makes sense for some of them to be open all night. And I think like in your story, it's although if this is true, it's completely understandable to get everything confused. Like in the story, like at one point, you said it was like one? And then you said it was like four? And then you said it was like two? Yeah, like getting all the times mixed up? Like? I mean, if it's 2am, you could have also just been completely confused so yeah I dont know

Cutter 36:30

Yeah. Is that your final answer?

Maddie 36:32

This is my final answer.

Cutter 36:33

All right. So you are making your guess that you believe the zoom story is true. And the Broken Hand story is false.

Maddie 36:41

Yes.

Cutter 36:41

That is wonderful. I'm happy to have you guess. And unfortunately, I cannot reveal to you which story is true and which story is false, as much as I would love to. And as much as I know it's gonna kill you. But guess what, it's just gonna make sure that you come back and listen. Yes, the good thing is you've laid the groundwork for everyone that comes on next time. If people who come on after you choose they can listen to this episode, they can see what you're saying. They can ask more questions, or different questions or you know take your reasoning. Yeah, we're starting to layer. You know, very interesting. Makes me keep my fake story straight. So it's very interesting. Well, that is wonderful. So you've made your guess we shall see in a month, two months, maybe three if you were correct. Well, Maddy, thank you very much for joining me today, we learned that you don't get stuck in washing machines, but your brother does get stuck in waterslides. Thank you very much for joining me. Where can listeners find more of you?

Maddie 36:43

Um, as of right now, for the next couple of months. My DJ shifts are on Wednesday from five to 6pm I am Buzz, and yeah, five to 6pm on HD 1 WKNC's main channel If but that's only for summer 2021. Um, after that, just all I ask is that people should follow WKNC and keep up to date with all the other DJs and follow our socials and stuff like that.

Cutter 38:08

What a lovely General Manager. Well, Maddie, thank you very much for joining us. It was a pleasure to have you on.

Maddie 38:13

Thank you. I had fun.

Cutter 38:15

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Cutter 0:00
Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening everyone. My name is Cutter, though you may know me as Three Bears in a Coat on-air on HD-1, and welcome to the very first episode of, "You'll never believe me, but...". "You'll never believe me, but..." is a new podcast being produced here at WKNC. And since it's new, I'm going to break down with all of you what it is what it will sound like and what you can expect moving forward. "You'll never believe me, but..." is a storytelling podcast. Every week, I'll have on to a new guest and they will tell me two stories, one of them real, and one of them fake. And the ultimate goal after some laughing and some having a good time, I'm not going to make it super rigid. I don't want them to just tell me two stories statically and then ask questions. So I'm going to butt in, we're going to joke around. But the ultimate goal is that after they tell me these two stories, that I will have to guess which of them is real, and which of them is fake, they will of course reveal after that. And that should spark some fun conversation. So with that out of the way, let me get the housekeeping stuff done before we jump into my own two stories that I'm going to tell here on this episode. So that every episode when I have guests on, they can guess which of my two stories is real and fake, this housekeeping stuff will go over at the top of every episode for any new listeners. But we're all new listeners today. So I figured I'll go over it in-depth now.

Cutter 1:29
So for the structure for what each episode is going to look like, I'm gonna bring on a guest, I'm going to introduce them, and we're gonna have a quick conversation about who they are, what they do. And then I'll have them launch into their first of their two stories. Again, like I said, it's not just pure storytelling with no jokes or no butting in, it will be a good time. It'll be personal. It'll be fun. And then we'll have a brief recap. We'll laugh about it. Before we do the exact same thing with the second story. After we go over that one, we I will ask some questions and make my conviction as to which of the two of them is true. They'll tell me if I'm right, if I'm wrong, hopefully I'm more right than wrong. And then that should spark some fun conversation about what does that mean for the true story? And what does that mean? Where do they come up with the fake story? Then we will take a pause and I will let them listen to my two stories that I'm going to tell right here right now on this very first episode of this podcast, we'll get to laugh about it. We'll come back on the mic. And you'll get to hear their reaction, their questions, and then we will have them make their guess but I will not reveal it until the end of the season when we have a nice little recap to tie everything together. because that'd be no fun. Because then someone could listen to that episode, come on, and then be right. That's pretty lame, then I will thank the guests and we will segue out. That is all for our structure.

Cutter 2:46
Our rules. We only have three rules here. And you'll never believe me, but and they're all pretty simple. Number one, your story should not do significant damage to someone or their character. I feel like this is pretty obvious. We're not trying to be extraordinarily mean here. And the story that I tell is going to be either disparaging to me or no one. Rule number two, if someone else is featured in the story, you must either have their consent to say their name, or use a fake name, you agreed to come on this podcast and tell the stories, they did not agree to have the story told so unless you get consent from them just use a fake name. It'll make everything a lot easier. And I think it will make everyone a little bit more comfortable. And rule number three, the final rule on the podcast and this one should be pretty easy to remember. All stories must start with You'll never believe me, but and then a brief synopsis before starting the story. So if your story is about that one time, the mall flooded while you were there and you had to swim out to your car. Your story would start with You'll never believe me. But one time the mall flooded and I had to swim out to my car. Pretty simple. Sounds good. Great.

Cutter 3:49
Let's get into my first story. You'll never believe me. But during finals week, I knew someone who broke his hand late at night. And I had to drive him to the hospital the night before an exam. So Justin lived a few doors down from me and I do want to say this off the rip. Right? He's fine. He's okay. Everything ended up being alright. And I do want to I want to preface with that. Okay, now I can get into it. Justin, we'll call him Justin. He lived a few doors down from me. And I got a call late one night. I want to say it was like Tuesday night during finals week. It was the night before my econ exam. And he calls me which is weird. He never calls me and I was still awake. I was finishing up some studying. I was doing some last minute cramming, which I know is like not the best for my econ final the next afternoon. And he calls me and I pick up the phone. I'm like, hey, Justin, what's up? He is. Oh, it's hes a little little paniced, right a little more paniced than I can do justice but he goes Oh, can you come to my room real quick. I think I need help. I kind of messed up my hand and I was like Oh crap. Okay, yeah, absolutely hang up on him and run you know, however many doors like three doors down and throw open the door luckily it's unlocked because he's in there in his hand is like under neath. So we have blinds in all the dorms at state. And he'd managed somehow to he was like closing the blinds or changing them around or opening them or something. And he had managed to, in pulling on the string had pulled down the entire metal box attached to the top of the window onto his hand. Right. And it had landed on his hand, even from from just like a few minutes in there, you can tell that it was not the greatest there was a little bit of blood, and I was like, oh, okay, kind of starting to panic, right go into, let me help you, let me take care of you mode.

Cutter 5:50
I immediately go over and help them lift it off, because you can't really lift it off with with the hand that's being crushed. And he doesn't quite have enough with the other hand, so I go over there, I help them lift them off. And run back to my room, I have a first aid kit in my room. And I go back and I'm you know, using like gauze and bandages and all that just to make sure that it's not bleeding profusely out, right. And so I'm like, Okay, let's just take this, you know, I'm trying to keep a calm demeanor, of course, I'm panicking, but he's the guy with the crushed hands. So I can't really, you know, say too much. And so I'm like, Okay, let's, you know, take care of this, we'll be all right. And, you know, he's saying, oh, it doesn't hurt too bad. And I'm like, okay, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but either way, you know, still just trying to make sure that everything's okay. And we call apparently, as we found out, um, because I did a quick Google search because I was curious. NC State University has a like little injury hotline thing. And so we called that. And they basically said, Hey, just go to the nearest urgent care, and they give us the address, they just I just go to the urgent care. can't really do much over the phone can't really do much here.

Cutter 6:57
Of course, it's 1am during finals week, like, it's not the best time for this to happen. Anyways, right? And I'm sure there's a graveyard crew working the phones over there. It's like, Okay, great, thank you. I don't have a car on campus. And Justin doesn't have a car on campus. And so we hang up the phone, and then we go, Oh, crap. I mean, what do we do? Because we don't want to call on Uber. I mean, imagine that Uber shows up and you're like, hey, look, I know, my friend here is like bleeding a ton. But if you could just drive us to the neaest urgent care, I was like, No, no, no, I've got a friend of mine. We'll call him. Alan. And Alan has a car on campus. And so we're like, okay, you know, I'm like, Justin, stay here. You know, I'll go talk to Alan Justin's like, yep, all good. And his hand, you know, completely in tact its bruising, right? And it's bleeding. But otherwise, it's fine. And like, I'm gonna go get Alan, I'm gonna go talk to Alan. And we'll see if we can get his car borrow his car, if he's still awake. And then if not, we'll figure something out. Right. And so we go, and Alan Luckily, is awake. He didn't have a final that day didn't have a final the next day. He was just having having, you know, enjoying his night I bang on the door. I'm like, Alan, Hey, I know. It's 1 am. Obviously, this is not like the best request. Can I borrow your car? And he's like, Why? I mean, obviously, it's 1 AM. I'm not the person to go out at 1 AM and he knows that and he's like, oh, why? I'm like, oh, Justin, and even though he's not super close to us. I'm like, oh, Justin, needs to go to urgent care. You can drive if you want. I'm happy to just take him in your car. And of course, it's 1 AM, you know, it's kind of late. Alan looks pretty tired. And he's like, just take my car, put it back where you go got it. I'll come and get the keys from you tomorrow. But yeah, yeah, go go. Take him go take him I hope he's okay. And I'm like, Yep, absolutely.

Cutter 8:45
And I book, you know, run off book it back to Justin's room, I got keys, let's go. I made an Allen's car and maybe like, twice, right? And I know loosely where it's parked. It's in the Coliseum parking deck. And so I'm like, Justin, you can walk with me. Or you can run with me, I'm, you know, I'm gonna book it. You walk we me you can run with me or I can run and get it and come circle around and pick you up. And he's like, let's do that. Right. And so I'm like, okay, Justin, and I separate. And Justin goes one way, because the way that like the honors quad where I lived works, is one way around. And so I go to where Allen's car is and I have to drive, I would have to drive like out almost off campus to come back around to get him. And so I'm like, Okay, let me meet you on the other end, because you can get to the other end pretty easily from the honors quad and we'll go from there. And so you know, I run I run and I'm like hitting the button. I'm not setting off the alarm out of respect for everyone. But I'm like, I'm like locking it over and over again, just to hear the beeps. And I know what his car looks like as a white Mazda, right? And it hits me as I like see it. I'm like, Oh, I'm about to put a guy with a broken hand right bleeding in a white car with a white interior. And just like hope he doesn't bleed on everything. I mean, yes, obviously, I'm sure Alan would understand. But if it were me, I'd be kind of pissed if I loan someone my car, my white car and got it back with blood on it. And so I was like, Okay, let me you know, just juggle these things friend with a, you know, severe hand injury friend with a white car don't mix great together, but I hop in the car, you know, I tear around and I pickup Justin, Justin is again, still fine. Still loose is still conscious still. Okay. You know, he's like, I'm trying to talk to him about uh, you know, I've helped a few people, you know, in the past with injuries, not really anything this bad. But it is it is something that I've done and dealt with before.

Cutter 10:38
I was like, okay, we're gonna be fine. you know walking him through everything. And we get to the urgent care, which is open, miraculously, I don't know if that's a normal thing. Or if it's just like, the right day, the right time, whatever, right? We get to the nearest urgent care that is still open. And you know, get out I walk him in, and they're like, hey, how can I help you? And before they get before they can even finish the sentence? She looks down and she realizes, oh, yes, his hand is bleeding profusely. And so she's like, Oh, okay. Understood. And she, you know, she's like, Okay, if you can just wait until the doctor is available, were like, okay, she's like, I have some paperwork to fill out, you know, I grab and I start filling out for him, because he can't write because, of course, it's his dominant hand, his right hand, which is so messed up for, you know, finals week, like, feels terrible. And so, you know, I end up filling out all the paperwork for him. And I give it back to them I'm like, hey, here you go, you know, whatever and at this point, we're waiting, and it's, you know, another five minutes, which isn't the end of the world, but it's also kind of a long time to wait, especially if he's like, just sitting there bleeding. Like, like, I can slowly see, like, the gauze is starting to, like, wear thin, and I'm like, okay, like, it would be super cool of you to hurry this up a little bit. Not that, you know, anyone really had any control over it. And so eventually, the doctor comes out. And he's like, okay, like, take a look at you. Um, you know, he takes Justin back, I'm just sitting there, you know, it's 2, 230 in the morning at this point, right? I'm sitting there, I've got a final The next day, and I'm sitting in the lobby of an urgent care, waiting for my friend with a bleeding hand to get back and go from there. Because I mean, it's an urgent care, they can't do too much, right? And maybe, you know, best case scenario, they bandage it up, and they send it back. And even still, like, I still need to take care of him a little bit.

Cutter 12:35
And so he comes back out, you know, maybe 20 minutes later. And the doctors like, Yeah, he needs to go to the hospital. I'm like, oh, and we didn't initially go to the hospital, just because out of price concerns, because they'll treat you there. But I mean, you know, it, it can get expensive. And so we're like, okay, fine, we'll go to the hospital. And so he hops in the car, and I take him the hospital. And you know, of course, another 20 some odd-minute drive, right. And at this point, it's kind of like, I've accepted that I'm not gonna get it done asleep. You know, this, obviously is more important, and worse, comes to worse. If you know, I'm truly exhausted or feel like I can't do it, you know, I'll email Professor not the end of the world. And so I, you know, we get to the hospital, um, you know, more paperwork for me to fill out for him, they take that they take him back, you know, almost immediately, right. Again, it is 1am, like, you know, not exactly the busiest. And so I end up talking to his parents, I call his parents and talk to them for a little bit there, you know, just making sure he's okay. I'm like walking them through it. I'm like, Yep, absolutely, everything's fine. He, you know, laid out everything that we did everything that I knew, they're super nice, I ended up getting really, really close to them. Just over that night, you know, I ended up on the phone with them for for maybe 20 minutes of feet, like 20 minutes each a few different times. Super nice people. And so, you know, I'm, you know, waiting and waiting and waiting. And it's like, 4am, at this point, right. And I'm starting to feel the exhaustion hit me. I think just as a result of like, the adrenaline is starting to wear off, you know, he's being taken care of. And eventually parents tell me, they're like, We're on our way. We'll be there in half an hour. If you can wait until then, great. If not, I totally understand. Thank you so much. Right? And so I'm like, Okay, i'll wait, I'm not I you know, I want to go to bed, obviously, but I'm not that desperate to go to bed. And so I'm like, I'll wait, I'll do the night I'll do the right thing. And I'll wait. And I wait and you know, 30, almost 40 minutes later, they show up, you know, and I'm like, Hey, you know, walking, you know, walk them through the end, catch them up. You know, the the nurse staff or the hospital staff.

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You know, take them back and I'm like, okay, have a good night. I'm gonna go to bed. Right. And you know, they're shooting appreciative and I end up going back, I, you know, kinda drove a little fast back to campus just because I'm kind of starting to feel it, you know, got a final the next day. And that's when I decided I was going to take the final it was for my econ class. And for me, econ was not a hard class, the econ class that I was taking was pretty easy. So it, you know it to me, it didn't matter, I didn't want to reschedule it, just because I already had this, like, big plan on how I was going to do finals week, and I didn't want to disrupt it. And so I was like, I'm just gonna sleep in as late as I can, you know, it's an afternoon final, I'll sleep in as late as I can. I'll take it. And you know, if I do poorly, I do poorly, whatever. Right, I was pretty secure in my grade. And so alright I to wake up the next day. And it is, I think my final one, I believe was at 330. I want to, if I've, if I remember correctly, was at 330. And I wake up at 3:12pm. And my, the clock that I have the alarm clock that I have that I don't use for an alarm, obviously, because we all have phones for that. But the clock that I have on, you know, up on my lofted bed is five minutes fast. And a lot of the time I forget that detail, especially when you know I wake up and it's the first thing I see, I wake up and the first thing I see is that I have 13 minutes to get out of bed, get ready, and then take a final that's supposed to take me three hours.

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So there's a little bit of stress there, I jump out of that bed, straight to the ground. And I you know, run from there, I do everything. And of course, once I'm down there, you know, I turn on my laptop. I'm like getting that all ready as quickly as possible. And of course, at that point, I figured out Oh right, of course I remember the five minutes behind, but I'm already up and moving. So it's kind of nice. I get everything ready. And I think I The last thing I did was brush my teeth. And so I finished brushing my teeth and spit, you know, wash my rinse my mouth out. And I literally walked the three steps from my sink to my chair to sit down and hit start on my final it was that close. And so I finished my final three hours, you know, knock it out. Great. You know, felt fine about it. And I found out a few hours later, Justin gives me a call. Well, Justin calls me it's Justin's parents, and they're like, oh, again, thank you so much. I'm like, you know, naturally, it's what I would do anyways. And they're like, oh, he broke his hand. And he's got a full arm cast, because and then they explained they explained it right. They explained it fine. I didn't really understand. I didn't really try and I'm not gonna try explaining it. But he had to have a full arm cast, because there's something about the break and needing to set right. And Justin's and like in a lot of English writing classes this semester. And so I was like, how is he going to do everything. And you know, Justin later told me he was like, well, I got a few of them. Like I got extended time because he's having to type with one hand, which is, I don't know if any of you have tried to type with one hand, it's very slow. And so he's typing with one hand for all these finals. And so they're like, Okay, well, well, some of them gave him time. Some of that didn't and the fact that some of them didn't kind of pisses me off, right? He had a very good reason, I would argue. But no, he ended up doing fine on his finals. He is fine. Now his hand is is recovered. But it was it was crazy. It was it was absolutely nuts.

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That that whole thing happened in one night, it truly felt like like a like a whole day. And the fact that it was only a few hours was crazy. I ended up doing very well on my econ final. So again, that was never anything to worry about. But it was it was crazy. It was super nice to to be able to help him to be there for him. As much as it was very stressful. And I felt very much like, you know, I was like, you know, watching the clock. And I felt very guilty about watching the clock. But it was also you know, I have things to do, I want to do well on my finals. But that's what happened. I helped a friend of mine after he broke his hand the night before one of my finals. And then he had to write all of his paper finals with one hand, and I ended up doing well on my final after almost sleeping through it. So there you go. You'll never believe me. But on a zoom call before the start of my first semester, I was talking to someone who I believed to be a good friend that I'd be able to meet on campus. But instead of it being her, it was her mom sitting on the zoom responding to my questions and asking questions. Now that sounds very believable. But I really was floored by this. Because I had based my friendship with this person, like initially at least off of this first interaction that turned out to not be real. And when I was told I was I was completely floored. I mean, I mean truly like,

Cutter 19:47
I mean, I had no way of knowing right I you know, we'll get into all that because I want to tell the story. So I'm a part of a program here at NC State called the Ben Franklin Scholars Program. They allow for students to double major One in college of engineering, one in College of Humanities, I'm double majoring in computer science and philosophy. But the big deal is a lot of the advising that you get. So at the start of freshman semester, my first semester of freshman year, we were invited to this zoom call, where we would be paired with one other person who is going to major in what we were majoring in, you know, in this incoming class, and then we would also be given a, like Junior, who, who, you know, was current major in that a junior or a senior, I think our person was a junior, and that's why I remember. And so I was paired with this Junior, who's His name is escaping me, and with someone who was also an incoming freshman, and we will call her grace, right, we'll say, I was paired with this girl named grace, and grace, you know, had note and camera off, right, it was me and the, the upperclassmen who had their cameras on. And it was so you know, it was all very odd, right? Because I, I don't know anything.

Cutter 21:09
It's like July, mid July, right? college is still like a month away. I just graduated high school, and things are very weird. And so I, you know, I'm trying to be like, outgoing and you know, present myself well, and, you know, establish some connections before I get on campus. And so we hop in to these breakout rooms, and I'm just, I, you know, my whole plan is that I'm going to be as as forward and talkative and as possible, and form a connection with that junior or senior upperclassmen in again, in this case, it ended up being a junior and then that one other person who had a similar interest, we, I mean, I was going to jump on it, and we were going to have a great time and become friends before we even got there. And I'm so committed that, and so, you know, we get we get on to the zoom, it's like 2pm, on a Thursday, it doesn't really matter. And, right, it's me and the other person who have the camera on. And so I start talking, you know, and I'm just asking questions, like, I'm throwing them out. Because at this point, I'm just trying to get a feel for what this program is get a feel for campus for state, and just in general, trying to get, like trying to establish these connections, just by being friendly and talkative.

Cutter 22:15
And so I'm talking to this junior, like, for the most part, and at a certain point, like I, you know, try to throw a question to grace just because I'm like, hey, like, clearly, you know, I want to get involved, and I'm trying to forge a connection with this other freshmen. And so like, oh, Grace, you know, whoa, you know, what are you? I think I asked what her second major was, right. And grace, you know, camera off the whole time, mic mic, muted the whole time, unmutes her mic, which is shocking to me, and says, Oh, she says, Oh, sorry. I'm at work right now. So I've just got my earbuds in. I'm just listening. I can't really talk. But my second major is, I think it's a shoot, I want to say she said econ, you know, econ? No, no, no, no, no, no, Arabic. I'm sorry. It was Arabic. And so I was like, Oh, that's, that's super cool. I was like, I totally understand. And the upperclassmen was like, I totally understand thank you were being here. And I said the same thing. I didn't really think anything more of it. But I, you know, I was like, okay, cool, like, glad we're having a good time. Right. And her voice sounded totally normal. Again, I have no context, I have no idea who this person is. And so, you know, we continue with the conversation, I continue to ask questions, because I'm just desperate to try to latch on to anything. And eventually, I asked Grace's another question, because I figured, hey, there's a chance that she'll have a chance to respond. And you know, if not, maybe she can respond over text. And if not, then maybe, you know, maybe this will be, you know, a way that I can get in touch with with her later. And I think the question I asked what I was, like, Grace, I was like, oh, Grace, where are you signed up to live?

Cutter 23:52
Right, which is just we just have a super basic like, question. We were talking about housing anyways. So it kind of made sense within the flow of conversation. And so I, you know, I was just, you know, trying to make conversation trying to try to reach out. And I, I it was not the best response, considering there was just silence on the zoom call for like, 45 seconds. Because I was like, you know, I knew asking was a you know, and I framed it. I was like, it was like, if you can't respond, not a big deal. Just kind of curious asking around where you livin. And it was just silence. I mean, the the loudest silence. And yeah, she just said nothing like, cool, cool, cool. Okay, moving on. I didn't say anything to her again, because, you know, she seemed very busy. I don't know where she works. And so you know, we finished it up, there's only like, 45, like 30-45 minutes, we hang up the zoom call, right? It's awesome. I haven't, you know, had a good time. Got to learn a bunch, and then we're just gonna move on, right. That's the end of it. And so The you know, we're gonna fast forward like, nine months. I like mid second semester. And Grace and I are pretty good friends, you know, guys and I have chatted some, we've hung out a few times, and you know, I'm going to get lunch with grace. And you know, it's a long lunch.

Cutter 25:17
But you know, Grace has texted me, you know, in preparation, and she's like, she she, you know, initiated this because she wanted to tell me a story. And I was like, Oh, well, you know, I was like, you know, I'm here for this. Absolutely. Let's get into it. And so grace to her credit, you know, we show up and she, you know, perhaps the story. And she starts with, hey, do you remember that intro call for Ben Franklin, that we had to do like before our freshman semester where we got to talk to like, you know, someone like an upperclassman in our field. And I had to really wrack my brain. And I eventually I was like, Yeah, yeah, I'm, uh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Sure, sure. And she goes, Well, as she's like, well, you remember that you were in a group with me? And I said, Yeah, absolutely. I remember that. Grace goes, Well, as it turns out, that was not me. And I want What do you mean, that wasn't you? And she's like, Well, I was at work at the time. I was like, No, I know, you said that. I remember you telling me and she was like, okay, yes. Well, that is fascinating start to any story.

Cutter 26:25
And it turns out, as she would go on to tell me, instead of like her, like, you know, trying to get time off work, which I totally understand is sometimes difficult. Or like listening in on her phone at work, like she said she was, she was, like, she asked her mom to log on to the zoom at home, and then sit on the conversation, like and just and just listening. Right, which is hilarious. I have at some points considered asking people to like, listen to like to sit in on like lectures for like attendance. I haven't ever done it. Just because, you know, for me, it's not really right. But that is so funny to me that she was like, Hey, I got this event, I really need to go to Mom, can you like do this event for me? Right. And so my entire worldview is shattered at this point. Like, I base so many of my conversations with her off of the assumptions that I had made in the like, in that, you know, in that call, and I was like, I was like, great. So I was like, Grace, so I never spoke to you. Like before coming to campus. And she was like, Nope, not even a little. And I was like, That's insane. And she goes, Well, yes. But and she she goes on to tell me that she got home from work.

Cutter 27:44
And her mom said to her Grace, Grace that, you know, I got on it went fine. And Grace was like did you hear Anything interesting. Grace mom was like, Oh, yeah, like told her a little bit about the program. And apparently, her mom said, when you go on campus, you need to be friends with this boy named cutter. And Grace was like, Mom, what are you talking about? And apparently, Grace's mom was so enthralled with like, the questions that I that I asked and like the the attitude that I had, that she recommended to her child after acting as her child on zoom, that she had to come in on the campus and be friends with me. And so it ended up you're working obviously, clearly, Grace and I are good friends. But it was so fascinating. Just that entire, like, series of events, and that the fact that our relationship that our friendship probably wouldn't have happened. If like, I hadn't been as outgoing, or if her mom hadn't decided to recommend that her daughter be friends with me. And I you know, obviously I'm super glad to work out. But it's it's so bizarre to think that like, you know, my worldview was was broken because I was like, oh, we're friends because of this time we spent, you know, in here. And it was like, Oh, no, actually, that was my mom. But we're still friends because of that time like it was put back together because we're still friends because of that time because her mom recommended that they'd be friends apparently, like throughout throughout the semester, her mom would like check in with her on how I was doing or like what I was up to, which is so insane that her mom has developed this this amazing connection and honestly personally I really want to like meet her mom and have like a full conversation with her knowing it's her because I you know from you know the little bit that she said she seemed like a nice person. I'm just so fascinated that she was so interested in me and you know it to the point of recommending that her daughter be friends there.

Cutter 29:47
So yeah, I went on a zoom call expecting to try and make some connections and thought I had made a college friend when in reality I had been talking to her mom the whole time, but it's still ended up working out because her mom then recommended that her daughter be friends with me. So there you have it two stories, one where I had to help a friend of mine who broke his hand right before one of my finals and then almost slept through it. And another way I thought I had made a very good college friend but in reality I had been talking to her mom the whole time, and it still worked out because her mom enjoyed my company so much that will do it for our very first episode.

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