SHEcclesiology--Girls Talking Church: Recent Episodes
Jayne Wilcox
Join host, Jayne Wilcox, and the all female cast, Kim Hu, Jennifer Johnson, and KrisAnne Swartley as they nerd out about pressing issues facing the church today. The show intends to provoke thoughtful and weighty conversation among friends that also know how to laugh and have a good time talking about the Church that they love. "SHEcclesiology--Girls Talking Church" is ecclesiology from the SHE perspective! Keeping a sober mind and steering clear of simplistic answers to complex issues, the show explores topics including church practices, ministry, theological education, formation, women’s vocation, theology, praxis, church and politics, evangelicalism, women in ministry, ordination, preaching, teaching, scripture, pop culture, Gospels, community, faith, congregation, pastors, and more. If you are a woman in ministry, a pastor of a church, a theological educator, a seminary professor, an administrator in higher education, or a leader in a parachurch ministry, we invite you to join our listening community. If you are a guy who supports women in ecclesiology, or are exploring how women have a place in the church, we welcome you to the conversation! Ecclesiology from the SHE perspective!
In this episode, the SHE-Team welcomes Dr. Miranda Zapor Cruz to discuss her book Faithful Politics: Ten Approaches to Christian Citizenship and Why It Matters' Dr. Cruz, a professor of historical theology at Indiana Wesleyan University with a Ph.D. in religion, politics, and society from Baylor University, shares her vocational journey and insights on the intersection of faith and politics. The discussion covers nonpartisanship, the importance of Christians engaging in politics thoughtfully, and how historical context can guide current political engagement. The conversation also covers effective discipleship, the educational landscape, and the impact of political polarization on younger generations.
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The SHE Team had such a great time talking with Holly Carey and discussing her book, Women Who Do: Female Disciples in the Gospels. Holly shares her vocational journey as a biblical scholar, the inspiration that led her to write Women Who Do, and the signficant yet unrecognized biblical witness of women in the Gospels. We also jump into a conversation on how women’s societal positions influenced their discipleship and explores the broader implications for understanding scripture and the role of women in the church. We wrap up the episode highlighting the power of storytelling in scripture and how these insights can impact interpretation of other propositional passages of scripture.
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In this episode the SHE-Team kick off a new series where they read a selected book and interview the author. Today is Jayne's pick, 'Ordinary Time: Meditations from the In-Between' by Sarah Wells. Sarah, an accomplished author, discusses writing as calling and a ministry, finding the sacred in the ordinary, and how suffering anchors faith but checks our set beliefs and doctrine. The SHE-Team reads select passages from Sarah’s book and listens in as she shares more about her life story behind the essays. Through personal anecdotes and reflections, Sarah shares her writing process and how faith is central to her work. The conversation delves into the power of storytelling, the significance of writing as a ministry, and the integration of liturgical seasons into ordinary moments of life.
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In the SHEcclesiology--Girls Talking Church podcast, host Jayne Wilcox and her co-hosts, Kim, Jennifer, Krisanne discuss Sharon Hoddy Miller's book ‘Control: Why We Crave It, the Anxiety It Gives Us, and the Real Power God Promises.’ They discuss various aspects of control as presented by Hodde-Miller, from controlling information and using emotional power to how millennials and Gen Z exert their autonomy. The conversation draws upon personal anecdotes, reflections on challenges when exercising control in ministry settings, and explores the balance between utilizing personal agency and surrendering control to God's sovereignty. The team shares their struggles and insights around control, drawing on themes from Hodde-Miller's book and their personal experiences.
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In this episode the SHE-Team discusses abuses of power and deception and vulnerability within the church. Inspired by Diane Langberg's 'Redeeming Power' and the 'Shiny Happy People' documentary on the Duggars, the discussion addresses the power dynamics revealed in the Duggar family's story and the broader implications within religious communities, especially concerning the Institute for Basic Life Principles (IBLP). Through a detailed examination of male headship, dominance, and the exploitation of vulnerable members within faith-based settings, the episode sheds light on the mechanisms that enable and conceal abuses. It also evaluates the role of accountability structures in preventing abuse, alongside the critical importance of empowering individuals within the church to promote transparency and justice. This episode not only critiques the existing power structures and abuses within Christian communities but also suggests a paradigm shift towards a more equitable and Kingdom-centered approach in church leadership and community life.
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In this episode the SHE-Team delves into themes of power, deception, and vulnerability within the church. We discuss Diane Langberg's work on power dynamics, “Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church” and the documentary on the Duggars titled “Shiny Happy People”. The episode unpacks various forms of power, including verbal, emotional, physical, specialized knowledge, economic, spiritual, and cultural power, and emphasizes the responsibility of wielding power justly to avoid abuse. The team explores the definitions of vulnerability and deception, with insights from Langberg's work, highlighting how responses to vulnerability reveal truths about personal character and the potential for exploitation within power dynamics. Personal reflections and examples are shared throughout the episode to illustrate how power can be both a source of blessing and harm, depending on its use. The SHE-Team encourages awareness and literacy in recognizing power dynamics and vulnerabilities to foster healthier church environments.
Find the Episode Show Notes on our website with links to our sources referenced in the episode here.
The SHE-Team returns after a short furlough through the Fall season. We look back at 2023 and catch up with each other about our transitions in life and work. We ponder the weightiness of new titles and how much we haven’t changed even while we transition into new roles, responsibilities, and life stages. And the peculiar life of Ohio Amish get some air time as it piques our curiosity.
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The SHE team watches the Barbie movie! We're are super excited to talk about the fun and glitter of Barbie Land, our take on various scenes, our most favorite lines, and of course we bring it home with some application between the church, Barbies and Kens, and the patriarchy represented by Ken being patriarchalized when he visits the Real World.
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Are there signs that we hang on the metaphorical front door of our churches or our denominations, that unwittingly, subtly, in the most gentlest of fonts communicate “Go Away” to certain individuals that don't fit comfortably into our communities or our theology, or certain kinds of people that are different than us–in gender, ethnicity, or sexuality?” Jayne recently gave a message to a room of mostly pastors–mostly men and mostly white–starting with an introduction about the subtle Go-Away signs on the front doors of our Churches. It was essentially a message about the need to diversify leadership among a tribe of churches that is mostly white and mostly male, both at the local level and national level. At this event, a bit later a pastor in attendance asked this question: “Where are we excluding people– how are we excluding women and poc in our churches? I don’t see it. I don’t see how we are excluding others.” In part one of this episode, the SHE-Team work through definitions and examples of Second Generation Gender Bias that are barriers for women rising in leadership roles.
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The SHE Team is talking about Mother’s Day and the annual celebration we hold at our churches and how it has become–or has always been–problematic for some women and maybe for some men as well. Before the four of us settled on doing a Mother’s Day episode, we agreed that it would definitely fall in the category or genre of disruption–meaning, our conversation will intentionally seek to disrupt the accepted norms and behaviors of how the church celebrates Mother’s Day. This is #anti-donut ministry at its finest. However, while in the spirit of deconstructing the current state of Mother’s Day, we want to finish up the episode with a bit of re-construction and talk about how the church can honor the vocation of motherhood first, as partnering with God in God’s work in the world and also, motherhood as a journey to holiness that sanctifies through sacrificial and selfless service to the little people entrusted to them.
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The SHE team picks up where we left off in the last episode on Women in Seasons of Vocation. Cathleen Cahalan in her book, Calling All Years Good, suggests that "callings are discerned through relationships... they are mutually influencing and responsive to others." For sure, the influence of those we are in relationships with and their spoken and unspoken responses are essential for young women in early emergent periods of vocational ministry. Jen and myself share how faith communities and individuals have played a significant role in our discerning and affirming seasons of vocation. The SHE-Team finishes up with discussing ideas on what pastors and church leaders can do to acknowledge the gifts and callings of women in congregations.One more mention before we begin: if there are individuals that have affirmed you and maybe even mentored and made space for you to live out your gifts and calling in the church, we'd love for you to tell your story. We'll send you a free #antidonut ministry t-shirt if you post your story on our IG account at SHEcclesiology or on the facebook Listening Community Page. Just search for SHEcclesiology--GirlsTalking Church
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Find the Episode Show Notes on our website with links to our sources referenced in the episode here.
The SHE-Team rethinks concepts of vocation as it aligns with the seasons of women’s lives. Author Kathleen Cahalan challenges thinking about vocation in terms of discovering my “lifelong vocation” and proposes the idea that women’s experiences of vocation change through different seasons of our lives.In her book Calling All Years Good, she discusses how we can reflect on and discern the nature of vocation throughout the anticipated transitions of our lives. The team starts with a quote from Cahalan, “vocation we contend is inherently narrative. Its first language is story.” They share with listeners how the seasons of their lives have or have not aligned with a changing call to various vocations and then discuss the role of community in identifying and affirming women’s ministerial calling.Twice during the episode the team invites our listeners to try out a reflective practice of discerning vocation through seasons of their lives and also to share their stories of vocation.
The first 10 listeners to share their story get a free SHEcclesiology “Anti-donut ministry” t-shirt! Find us on facebook at SHEcclesiology Listening Community or on Instagram!
Find the Episode Show Notes on our website with links to our sources referenced in the episode here.
Is the Church responding well to the declines of religious participation in the Church or are our responses not much more than rearranging decks chairs on the Titanic? In this episode we take a moment to take stock of the Church and what we invest our time, energy, and ourselves into every week. It is December 2022 and we thought it would be a good time to discuss the State of the Church as we head into a new year. The SHE-Team tackles two questions: how our churches and denominations are responding to the post-religious changes we are experiencing in the US (church attendance, pastoral credibility, the end of Christendom and its institutional form), and second, what we each consider the most pressing question facing the church for 2023. Also if you are a regular listener, join our fB page called the SHEcclesiology Listener Community for updates and other conversations. If Instagram is more your thing, follow us at SHEcclesiology. See you there!
Find the Episode Show Notes on our website with links to our sources referenced in the episode here.
In episode 11, the SHE-Team picks up where we left off in Part 1 of the Great Pastoral Resignation, offering advice and wisdom on how to do triage to provide care for your pastor. We get super practical with suggestions for church boards and congregants in how they might fulfill their responsibility to care for their pastor. And then we draw on our own ministry experiences and drop a few gems of wisdom for pastors who long to build a life of resilience and longevity in congregational ministry. One more thing: if you are a regular listener, join our fB page called the SHEcclesiology Listener Community for updates and other conversations. If Instagram is more your thing, follow us at SHEcclesiology. Ok, let’s get started!
Find the Episode Show Notes on our website with links to our sources referenced in the episode and copyright info for the theme song, “Play Like A Girl” by June and Jean Millington from the band, Fanny, “the first, and all-time best, all girl rock band,” here.
In today’s episode the SHE-Team explores the social, mental, and political fallout facing pastors in church ministry today as they’ve led congregations through a pandemic, social and political unrest, and disunity in their churches. We start with the Barna Research data that reveals the sobering reality of how many Protestant pastors in the US have considered leaving church ministry in the past year. The team talks through options and strategies that church elders and board members might consider employing to tend to the health and well being of their pastors during what is a trying period for those called to lead God’s people.
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In today’s episode we continue our discussion around Felicia Wu Song’s concept of Church as Counter-Liturgy found in her latest book, Restless Devices: Recovering Personhood, Presence, and Place in the Digital Age. She calls us to consider how the church can be a community whose collective practices of resistance shapes us to be the kind of kingdom people we long to become. We take up Dr Song’s challenge found in the section of her book called “Experiments in Praxis.” The SHE-Team commits together to a four day, counter-liturgy experiment of resistance. We invite our listeners to also engage in one of the counter-liturgy options discussed in the episode, and then suggest you share about the experience on our SHEcclesiology Community fB page. You’ll find the SHE-Team’s update there as well. As a reminder, Dr. Song is a cultural sociologist and professor at Westmont College and a scholar at the intersection of faith and digital technologies. Let’s pick up where we left off in the last episode…
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In today’s episode the SHE-Team explores Felicia Wu Song’s concept of Church as Counter-Liturgy. Dr. Song is a cultural sociologist and professor at Westmont College and a scholar at the intersection of faith and digital technologies. Her latest book is Restless Devices: Recovering Personhood, Presence, and Place in the Digital Age. I admire Dr. Song’s determination to push back on the creeping of handheld technology that has become ill-formational in our lives. She calls us to consider how the church can be a community whose collective practices of resistance shapes us to be the kind of kingdom people we long to become. Can the Church be a place of Counter-Liturgies so that we resist the lure of the ever-present, always-on technology in our every-day lives? Can we do it?
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Today’s episode is Part 2 of the Gen Z and Church conversation. KrisAnne leads us into a discussion of how church leaders of today can help Gen Zs in making the Church their own. The SHE team thinks together through an important question: How do we see the church changing and being shaped to meet the needs of and to leverage the strengths of this upcoming generation? KrisAnne opens with an analogy of passing down the family business and giving each generation the freedom to change it and make it their own. How can the Church of today graciously do that for the Church of tomorrow?
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WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT OUR SOURCES? Pew Research, “What We Know About Gen Z So Far” is here. Relevant Magazine, “How Gen Z Will Shape the Church” is here. Religion News Service, “Gen Z is Lukewarm About Religion” is here. Seth Gillman,”Why Young People Face a Major Mental Health Crisis,” in Psychology Today, 2019 is here. Diana Butler-Bass, Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening, is here. “Play Like A Girl” by June & Jean Millington is licensed under an Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License that can be found here, Creative Commons Legal Code, is here.
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KrisAnne leads the SHE-Team in a conversation on how Generation Z will change the church of the future. We base our discussion on survey results completed by about 50 high school to 25 yr olds within this demographic. Our conversation explores topics of greatest concern to Gen Z, including diversity, mental health, acceptance, a welcoming church, and creating spaces for grief and lamentation. We can’t wait to share with you some of the results we’ve pulled directly from the survey.
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WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT OUR SOURCES? Pew Research, “What We Know About Gen Z So Far” is here. Relevant Magazine, “How Gen Z Will Shape the Church” is here. Religion News Service, “Gen Z is Lukewarm About Religion” is here. Seth Gillman,”Why Young People Face a Major Mental Health Crisis,” in Psychology Today, 2019 is here. Find out more about the SHE-Team members, here.
The SHE-Team picks up where we left off in Part 1 of how training for ministry needs to change to be more effective for the next generation. In this Part 2 episode, Jen helps us think through innovative forms of ministry training that draw on human behavior and learning theory. Our hope is to encourage ideas for more effectively preparing ministry leaders for the challenges of a post-Covid church.
Theme Song Credit All-girl rock band, Fanny: "Play Like A Girl" by June & Jean Millington (2011) recorded Live at WFMU on Surface Noise with Joe McGasko on August 21, 2011 is here.
“Play Like A Girl” by June & Jean Millington is licensed under an Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License that can be found here, Creative Commons Legal Code, is here.
RESOURCES Orpheus Chamber Orchestra here.
More info on Missio Seminary, “Following Jesus into the World” can be found here.
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THE TEAM Kim Hu (MA, MDiv ‘23) is in full-time ministry where she works with young adults at her church while pursuing a Masters of Divinity degree at Missio Seminary. She loves making her husband Tim laugh, dreaming of what missions means, caring for her growing collection of house plants, and posting unsolicited reviews of Trader Joe’s products to her instagram.
Jennifer Johnson (MEd) serves as the Chief Communications Officer at Johnson University in Knoxville, TN. She blogs about faith, doubt, the church, and the idiosyncrasies of Christian culture and compiled some of this work into her book, “See Jen Write: The Best of the Blog.” Jen’s a wife, a stepmom of two young adults, a board member for Orchard Group and Christian Missionary Fellowship, an American Airlines Gold member, a reluctant dog owner, and a big fan of caffeine.
Kris Anne Swartley (MDiv) serves as Pastor of Worship and Administration at Doylestown Mennonite Church in southeast Pennsylvania. She is a wife, mom and musician; and her hobbies include caring for her two cats, feeding the neighborhood birds and drinking inordinate amounts of coffee.
Jayne Wilcox (MDiv, ThD) is a Lecturer in Religion and Theology at LaSalle University and an adjunct professor in World Christian History at Missio Seminary. She lives in Levittown, PA with her husband and two miniature schnauzers, Rose and Lilibet, her most favorite furry four-legged friends. Her pride and joy are her two adult sons and one adorable daughter-in-law.
In Part 1, Jen leads the SHE-Team in exploring the question of how training for ministry needs to change to be more effective for the next generation, with a focus on how we see church leadership structures moving toward a bivocational and co-vocational emphasis. Coming soon in Part 2, we address the question, How is the church changing and how do we need to adjust our approach to ministry training as a result?
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Theme Song Credit All-girl rock band, Fanny: "Play Like A Girl" by June & Jean Millington (2011) recorded Live at WFMU on Surface Noise with Joe McGasko on August 21, 2011 is here.
“Play Like A Girl” by June & Jean Millington is licensed under an Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License that can be found here, Creative Commons Legal Code, is here.
RESOURCES Orpheus Chamber Orchestra here. Michale Frost’s Blog, “Seminary Produced Visionary Leaders” is here. Carey Nieuwhof’s Blog, “Why it’s Time to Rethink What it Means to Be Called to Ministry” is here. The Holy Post Podcast, “The Embrace of Tyrants and the Despair of Pastors” is here.
THE TEAM Kim Hu (MA, MDiv ‘23) is in full-time ministry where she works with young adults at her church while pursuing a Masters of Divinity degree at Missio Seminary. She loves making her husband Tim laugh, dreaming of what missions means, caring for her growing collection of house plants, and posting unsolicited reviews of Trader Joe’s products to her instagram.
Jennifer Johnson (MEd) serves as the Chief Communications Officer at Johnson University in Knoxville, TN. She blogs about faith, doubt, the church, and the idiosyncrasies of Christian culture and compiled some of this work into her book, “See Jen Write: The Best of the Blog.” Jen’s a wife, a stepmom of two young adults, a board member for Orchard Group and Christian Missionary Fellowship, an American Airlines Gold member, a reluctant dog owner, and a big fan of caffeine.
Kris Anne Swartley (MDiv) serves as Pastor of Worship and Administration at Doylestown Mennonite Church in southeast Pennsylvania. She is a wife, mom and musician; and her hobbies include caring for her two cats, feeding the neighborhood birds and drinking inordinate amounts of coffee.
Jayne Wilcox (MDiv, ThD) is a Lecturer in Religion and Theology at LaSalle University and an adjunct professor in World Christian History at Missio Seminary. She lives in Levittown, PA with her husband and Rose, her favorite furry four-legged friend. Her pride and joy are her two adult sons and one adorable daughter-in-law.
In the second of a two part episode, Jayne, KrisAnne, Kim, and Jen give a final letter grade to the church’s response to the pandemic using criteria from Episode 02. They then look ahead at how the church can leverage the opportunities given as a result of lockdowns and shutdowns, reimagining how to do church effectively in a post-covid world.
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Resources Kyuboem Lee, “How Might the COVID-19 Crisis Reshape our Churches for Good?,” Christianity Today, April 2022 is here. Kathleen M. O’Connor, Jeremiah: Pain and Promise, Fortress Press, 2012 is here.
Theme Song Credit All-girl rock band, Fanny: "Play Like A Girl" by June & Jean Millington (2011) recorded Live at WFMU on Surface Noise with Joe McGasko on August 21, 2011 is here.
“Play Like A Girl” by June & Jean Millington is licensed under an Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License that can be found here, Creative Commons Legal Code, is here.
The Team Kim Hu (MA, MDiv ‘23) is in full-time ministry where she works with young adults at her church while pursuing a Masters of Divinity degree at Missio Seminary. She loves making her husband Tim laugh, dreaming of what missions means, caring for her growing collection of house plants, and posting unsolicited reviews of Trader Joe’s products to her instagram.
Jennifer Johnson (MEd) serves as the Chief Communications Officer at Johnson University in Knoxville, TN. She blogs about faith, doubt, the church, and the idiosyncrasies of Christian culture and compiled some of this work into her book, See Jen Write: The Best of the Blog. Jen’s a wife, a stepmom of two young adults, a board member for Orchard Group and Christian Missionary Fellowship, an American Airlines Gold member, a reluctant dog owner, and a big fan of caffeine.
Kris Anne Swartley (MDiv) serves as Pastor of Worship and Administration at Doylestown Mennonite Church in southeast Pennsylvania. She is a wife, mom and musician; and her hobbies include caring for her two cats, feeding the neighborhood birds and drinking inordinate amounts of coffee.
Jayne Wilcox (MDiv, ThD) is a Lecturer in Religion and Theology at LaSalle University and an adjunct professor in World Christian History at Missio Seminary. She lives in Levittown, PA with her husband and Rose, her favorite furry four-legged friend. Her pride and joy are her two adult sons and one adorable daughter-in-law.
Jayne Wilcox, Kim Hu, Jennifer Johnson, and Kris Anne Swartley tackle the question, Did the Church Do Its Part in the Coronavirus Pandemic? It is March 2022 and we are at the two year mark since the initial global shutdown from the corona-virus pandemic. In this two part episode, the team grapples over whether or not the church lived up to its obligation to be the example of Jesus to the world in the midst of a pandemic. In Part I, we talk through which criteria, or metrics, we will use to evaluate whether the church did its part, and in Part II we evaluate the church’s response with a letter grade. Here's hoping the church passed the test!
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Ep 02, Part I: What’s Worth Measuring?
We talk through which metrics we will use to determine whether the church did it’s part in the pandemic, which are Loving God/Loving Neighbor, Humility, Imago Dei, Individual Rights vs Common God, Being Church or Doing Church Things.
Ep 02, Part II will post in mid-March.
So, What Grade Do We Give the Church?? And, Ways the Church Moves Forward After the ‘Rona.
THEME SONG CREDIT All-girl rock band, Fanny: "Play Like A Girl" by June & Jean Millington (2011) recorded Live at WFMU on Surface Noise with Joe McGasko on August 21, 2011 is here.
“Play Like A Girl” by June & Jean Millington is licensed under an Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License that can be found here, Creative Commons Legal Code, is here.
RESOURCES On the American Church and the Pandemic: Luke Bretherton, COVID-19 presents a moral crisis, not just a medical one - ABC Religion & Ethics, ABC Religion & Ethics, Mar 31, 2020 is here. Aaron Earls, Churchgoers Proud of Church's COVID-19 Response - Lifeway Research, LIfeway Research, March 23, 2021 is here. Jean-Daniel Plüss, COVID-19, the Church, and the Challenge to Ecumenism, Transformation, Vol. 37(4) 286–296, 2020 is here. Kathryn Watson, Why "the pathway to ending the pandemic runs through the evangelical church" CBS News, April 5, 2021 is here. Kyle Whitmire, Faith, foolishness and COVID ‘Final Destination’ Syndrome, AL.com, Jul 28, 2021 is here.
THE TEAM Kim Hu (MA, MDiv ‘23) is in full-time ministry where she works with young adults at her church while pursuing a Masters of Divinity degree at Missio Seminary. She loves making her husband Tim laugh, dreaming of what missions means, caring for her growing collection of house plants, and posting unsolicited reviews of Trader Joe’s products to her instagram.
Jennifer Johnson (MEd) serves as the Chief Communications Officer at Johnson University in Knoxville, TN. She blogs about faith, doubt, the church, and the idiosyncrasies of Christian culture and compiled some of this work into her book, “See Jen Write: The Best of the Blog.” Jen’s a wife, a stepmom of two young adults, a board member for Orchard Group and Christian Missionary Fellowship, an American Airlines Gold member, a reluctant dog owner, and a big fan of caffeine.
Kris Anne Swartley (MDiv) serves as Pastor of Worship and Administration at Doylestown Mennonite Church in southeast Pennsylvania. She is a wife, mom and musician; and her hobbies include caring for her two cats, feeding the neighborhood birds and drinking inordinate amounts of coffee.
Jayne Wilcox (MDiv, ThD) is a Lecturer in Religion and Theology at LaSalle University and an adjunct professor in World Christian History at Missio Seminary. She lives in Levittown, PA with her husband and Rose, her favorite furry four-legged friend. Her pride and joy are her two adult sons and one adorable daughter-in-law.
SHEcclesiology is Jayne Wilcox, Kim Hu, Jennifer Johnson, and Kris Anne Swartley! We kick off our pilot episode of SHEcclesiology–Girls Talking Church asking ourselves three questions that we hope lay a foundation for the show. First, we talk about what motivates us as leaders, pastors, and educators to use our voices and our realms of influence to make sure more women are participating in conversations about the church. You will hear what we mean when we say that “we love the church.” We’ll venture a little deeper, asking, What breaks our hearts about the church today? And we finish up with a reflection on what it means that we’ve done well by our listeners, welcoming you into the larger community of women that we know Loves the church along with us. Our hope is that you find a point of connection with us and our show.
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Resources Martin Luther King, Jr, “Letter from Birmingham Jail” is here. Scott McKnight, The King Jesus Gospel: The Original Good News Revisited is here.
Credits Theme song from the rock band, Fanny: "Play Like A Girl" by June & Jean Millington (2011) recorded Live at WFMU on Surface Noise with Joe McGasko on August 21, 2011 is here.
“Play Like A Girl” by June & Jean Millington is licensed under an Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License that can be found here, Creative Commons Legal Code, is here.
Learn more about Fanny, an all-female rock band started by two sisters from the Philippines who were pioneers in the 70s Rock music era. The Official Home for the Rock Band Fanny, Godmothers of Women Who Rock is here.
We are SHEcclesiology--Girls Talking Church. Ecclesiology from the SHE perspective! In this trailer episode, Jayne Wilcox, Jennifer Johnson, Kim Hu, and KrisAnne Swartley tell the birthing story of how SHEcclesiology--Girls Talking Church came about and the hope they hold for listeners of the show.
Credits
Theme song from the rock band, Fanny: "Play Like A Girl" by June & Jean Millington (2011) recorded Live at WFMU on Surface Noise with Joe McGasko on August 21, 2011 is here.
“Play Like A Girl” by June & Jean Millington is licensed under an Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License that can be found here, Creative Commons Legal Code, is here.
Learn more about Fanny, an all-female rock band started by two sisters from the Philippines who were pioneers in the 70s Rock music era. The Official Home for the Rock Band Fanny, Godmothers of Women Who Rock is here.