The Conner Cherland Podcast: Recent Episodes
Conner Cherland
Conner Cherland is a Santa Barbara-based Singer-Songwriter learning from other musicians. This podcast is for people interested in music, songwriting, and the struggles inherent to making art for a living.
Kingflower (a.k.a. Garrett Langebartels) is the person responsible for connecting me with a few guests on this show including: Descolada, Arselia Kent, Kayla Phillips, Andrew Pelletier, and Devin Hopwood. We talk about how recording engineering requires education and time, and the importance of feeling something rather than over explaining it.
Kingflower is a 5-piece American Indie Rock/Americana band from Indianapolis, IN. The band formed in 2020 when producer and principle songwriter Garrett Langebartels assembled the likes of Justin Langebartels, Steve Bradley, Tommy Travis, and Shea Farmer. Their collective love for atmospheric Indie Rock/Americana (bands like Wilco, Ben Howard, the National, the War on Drugs and Radiohead) created a perfect universe for the reflective and melancholic midwestern songwriting Garrett offers.
Listen to the latest album "Caverns" here:
https://open.spotify.com/album/2dADkBaRr7CQi4QOgLve7j?si=9qNA10A5QGqTNi5QCVTl-Q
Follow on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/kingflowermusic/
Learn more:
https://www.naptimerecordings.com/kingflower
Over the past months of putting out songs from my new album (LAKE), Layne encouraged me to be more vulnerable and share more of myself on the internet.
Realizing that I needed help in this area, she offered to help me open up by co-hosting a podcast episode in hopes that I'd drop my coy facade and share my real self.
Sometimes it's very hard for me to talk about my songs, because they come from a place inside of me that often lacks articulation. I'm so so grateful that Layne took the time to listen to my music for its own sake, and as a means to know me more. I hope you do the same, and enjoy the podcast :)
Album Release Party in Los Angeles 11/10/23
Ticket Link:
https://store.connercherland.com/product/11-10-lake-album-release-party/61?cs=true&cst=custom
John Moran is a music producer, songwriter, guitarist, photographer, sound engineer, community leader, and a friend of many. John and I met a few months back at a show in my neighborhood and we've kept in touch ever since. John is as kind as he is talented. In this episode we talk about Swimclub, an artist collective of dozens of artists putting out a new song each month. John Came out with a new song called Over U which is out everywhere now!
IG: https://www.instagram.com/jawnmo/
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/74K0JvWRoWQJEt2xtB9rQS
Website: https://www.jawnmo.com/
Kayla Phillips is a singer songwriter splitting her time between Indianapolis and Boston for school. She's currently in the process of releasing her debut record (which I got to hear and it's great) which comes out on May 19th. You can hear her latest single "Peace" on April 21st!
In this interview Kayla and I talk through the role of grief through songwriting, and why someone would make a full album in a world telling you to release a slow drip of singles.
You can find more of Kayla on her Instagram and Spotify page:
https://www.instagram.com/kaylaphillipsmusic
https://open.spotify.com/artist/3jr7C84UECf0QuwY0pbk2s?si=xar3PcPIQ5eeIb2GQNaL0A
Andrew Pelletier is a songwriter, teacher, and composer who lives right down the street from me in LA and I didn't even know it!
Andrew has been making music of his own since high school and continues to make a daily practice of writing music, teaching others, and playing in other people's projects.
In this episode Andrew and I circle the topic of doing something everyday to get a little bit better. I think he's done a great job at this, and if you like his vibe I suggest you check out his new EP in April under his band name "Fur Trader" (which is Pelletier in French)
https://www.instagram.com/andrewpelletier_furtrader/
https://open.spotify.com/album/1HlRVXmgcs5pVJrK26Zf7D?si=DXhsirOrT7GMrzmu_nSb6Q
Danny McGaw is a singer-songwriter, producer, and sound-engineer based in Ojai, California, currently touring with legendary Vocal Hall of Fame inductees, Three Dog Night (he's also been touring with them for three years before Covid...so they're a pretty close crew)
Danny is a local hero of the central coast, and if you've heard any of his music or heard him talk, you'll realize that he's got plenty of wisdom and heart to share.
I think there's so many good nuggets in this conversation, so please enjoy Danny McGaw!
Website: https://dannymcgaw.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dannymcgaw/
Arselia Kent is a singer songwriter based in Indianapolis who is in the process of recording her debut album at Naptime Recordings, produced by her brother, Garrett Langebartels. Garrett helped produce the records for Colton Nelson and Devin Hopwood who are both alumni of this podcast. Arselia's album is set to release early 2023.
Her first two singles, “monsters” and “death of me” are out now on all streaming platforms. You'll hear us talk about being the youngest sister with 7 older brothers, and working past the idea that pursuing art means you're full of yourself.
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/arselia.kent/
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/1utrbH2VWsGNdRv6kkoD96
Cimo Fränkel is a very special singer, songwriter, & producer I met at a recent SoFar Sounds event. With a decade of experience in the music business, he’s already written a ton of hits, like the multi-Platinum: ‘Sex’ by Cheat Codes & Kris Kross Yellow Claw’s iconic smash single ‘Shotgun’
Cimo started experimenting with music production at the age of 15 and has been compared to the likes of The Weeknd with influences drawing from pop greats including Michael Jackson and Huey Lewis. I'd compare him to orange juice because he's sweet and worth having in your life.
Please enjoy this conversation with Cimo Fränkel!
Kyle and I met around 2019 at a house concert in Santa Barbara. Kyle is a top 10 Billboard songwriter and performer, led the band Beware of Darkness, appeared on Conan, and at the Reading and Leeds Festival. When I saw Kyle's instagram post saying he was publishing his book "Thank God For Depression", I immediately reached out to him to see if he'd be willing to talk about his evolution as a creative, and his relationship with depression. I/m really proud of this episode: I think we take about really important things like presence, and overcoming resistance so that ultimately you might be able to dodge some of the challenges we've pushed through.
BoD Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4DGNqGOtNY9niSpCKwINyU
Kyle Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6rXPvIRGCRBuq1trwa6S4x
Kyle IG: https://www.instagram.com/kylenicolai
Shio is a songwriter, composer, and performer from Santa Barbara currently based in New York. We have a ton of mutual friends including Mendeleyev who was on an earlier episode of the podcast, and the three of us played a show together in Santa Barbara back in August and I was blown away by Shio's musicality and ability to improvise.
Shio earned a degree in Santa Barbara for Ethnomusicology, and just recently completed her masters at the Berkeley School of Music in NYC. Stay tuned to the end of the episode to hear one of her newest songs which should be coming out soon!
Website: sioteppermusic.com
Instagram: @siobear
Meekoh is a songwriter with a lovely voice that I met here in Los Angeles at Lower Deck Sessions. Meekoh and I are both a part of the Breedlove Guitars family - he spent a lot of time living in Bend, OR where Breedlove Guitars is based, and has been living in LA since 2017 writing and putting on shows of his own called "Under the Pine".
I find Meekoh to be incredibly earnest, and kind to others (a trait you don't always see paired with great talent). You'll hear us talk a lot about a music video he made during covid while floating down the Deschutes river in Bend OR, and I highly recommend you check it out!
Please enjoy this conversation with Meekoh! You can hear a new song he wrote with his wife toward the end of the episode!
Website: meekoh.com
Instagram: @meekoh
Susanna Lovsky is a Ukrainian-American singer-songwriter based in Los Angeles, CA. I first met Lovsky at a recent house concert in Burbank, and I loved her voice and overall demeanor. She just came out with a new song called "Just Friends" which I'll link below in the description. You'll also be able to hear a clip of the song at the end of the episode (just aa clip though...I want you to go to her Spotify and listen so she gets the plays).
You'll also hear us talk about overcoming physical injury, and using adversity to propel you forward in life. Enjoy!
Just Friends (Music Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWdvLULnNdY
Just Friends (Spotify): https://open.spotify.com/album/0GRck6hhTbJvmtyuvbKgxL
IG: instagram.com/lovskymusic/
Website: lovskymusic.com/
Nate Salman (A.K.A. WaterStrider) - an incredible artist, multi-instrumentalist, songwriter, creator at large. I've deeply admired Nate's work from afar for the past 3 years as they lived and worked out of Santa Barbara. Nate now lives back in Oakland creating with local artists to form an equitable and creative ecosystem. You'll hear us talk about learning to show our process, gender, being an artist, and continually learning how to keep a beginner's mind.
Please enjoy Nate Salman, AKA Waterstrider!
IG: instagram.com/waterstrider/
Website: waterstridermusic.com/
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/731UNhwHMAcSsurgHJxPHC
Anni (formerly known as Annika Grace) is a singer songwriter based in Venice, CA. I met her through her concert series "Saturdays at Seven" which showcases up and coming artists here in LA. Today you'll hear us talk about Anni's origin in poetry, being a shy and very gifted child, and the vulnerability of releasing music under the name she's called by her friends: Anni. I hope you enjoy the conversation!
IG: instagram.com/callheranni/
Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/4lBTge4lCPVMO7UIjkN1b6
Sugi Dakks is a Japanese/African American multi-instrumentalist that I met at Lower Deck session in Encino here LA. He's a rapper/singer/slam poet/producer/activist and on this episode you'll hear us talk about what it feels like being mixed race, and finding collaborators who love you by holding you to a high standard.
Website: sugidakks.com/
IG: instagram.com/sugidakks/
Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/1yOabQpjFHabLLK4YuOuqY
Jillian Dawn is a singer, songwriter and guitar player that I met over at LowerDeck Sessions here in LA (Encino). Somewhere between pop, indie, country, and rock, She graduated from the University of Miami Frost School of Music in 2021 and is now living in Nashville doing a ton of writing and performance. I really liked talking with her at the LowerDeck show, and enjoyed her songwriting and voice and she was kind enough to come on the podcast.
Matty: 28:25
IG: instagram.com/jilliandawnmusic
Website: jilliandawnmusic.com
Spotify: open.spotify.com/artist/4ep22iDgC6e02QQ59gNqlE?si=8veFTzTLSnWohLw8Dtbrqw&nd=1
Serg Efuni is a singer songwriter who began writing songs at 13, after his family came to the US as Russian refugees. After music college and working as an artist publicist and manager, Serg started pursuing his own material with his debut EP coming out hopefully this Summer. On this podcast you'll hear us talk origin story, the value of competition, and his history in managing other talent.
Hit Me Harder: 28:21
IG: https://www.instagram.com/effinserg/
Devin Hopwood is an earnest and clever singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist based between Texas and Indiana. On this podcast you'll hear us talk about his new album "Husk", not being good at social media, and how the corny parts of our personality are often the most relatable.
Jeanny - 26:50
Website: http://devinhopwood.com/
IG: @devinhopwood
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/1mF1GzYDllEZTFvXqvywKj
Previous Project (Tamas) IG: @tamasmusic
On today's podcast we have Angela Autumn. She's an Americana singer-songwriter based in Nashville TN, a great guitar player, person, and singer. Angela released an album in 2021 called Frontiers Woman. In today's episode you can hear us talk about the relationship between technology and Americana songwriting, what it means to be attached to land, and a little bit about tarot.
Dancer: 24:54
IG: https://www.instagram.com/angelaautumnmusic/
Website: https://www.angelaautumn.com/
Tariqh Akoni is an ever-expanding force of talent and grit. Starting with an obsession for guitar, and growing into roles of musical director/producer/songwriter/business owner. Tariqh has worked with well known musicians like LeAnn Rimes, George Duke, Bobby Watson, Jennifer Lopez, Whitney Houston, Christina Aguilera and the Backstreet Boys; and classical artist Josh Groban. Tariqh and I discuss the start of his tenacity, the role of producer and artist in the studio, and his love of speaking and facilitating understanding.
Website: https://www.tariqh.com/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/tariqhakoni/
On today's episode we have Joe and Cameron of King Pari, currently on tour celebrating the release of their Mary EP. King Pari is a band located in Highland Park (just like me), that leans into their labels of stonersoul, lo-fi RNB, We talk about how they formed their band, found their sound, and how the art of DJing informs their music. Enjoy!
Ya'llright? - 19:32
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kingparimusic/
Website: https://www.kingparimusic.com/
James and I discuss keeping the feel of the music as paramount, the importance of a good mentor, and leaving the Mormon church - which is the context of his song “Don’t Let Me Fall” that you’ll hear around the 20 minute mark. I really enjoyed learning from James and if you like what you hear I’m sure you’ll love his new music releasing hopefully soon.
Dont Let Me Fall 26:08
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jamesthe8th/
Website: https://www.jamesviii.com/
The Social is a four-piece band I saw recently at The Resident in Downtown LA. The four band members are Keaton, Alexander, Tommy, and Markie, and they were playing after my friend James Spaite who was also an early podcast guest. What really stood out to me about these guys was the band’s energy along with Keaton’s screaming/singing ability.
In this episode we talk about what makes a good front-man for a band, how we’re all really bad audience members, and going on writing retreats to get a lot of songs made in a very short amount of time.
You can hear their song “Any Other Way” later in the episode, enjoy!
Website: findthesocial.com
Instagram: @findthesocial
Book Recs: Real artists don’t starve, Rich dad poor dad, You’re a badass, Writing better lyrics, Extreme ownership
Hannah Connolly is a Folk/Country singersongwriter with great vocals and storytelling. I heard about Hannah through Instagram as she’s played with a couple of my podcast guests: Sam Doores, Sam Gelband, and Alicia Blue.
In this episode you can hear us talk about learning to play guitar just days before a childhood talent show, processing grief, and how Los Angeles can sometimes leave you wanting to just stay home.
You can hear her song Stay Home later in the episode, enjoy!
Stay Home: 20:36
Instagram: @hannahconnolly
Website: hannahconnolly.com
Quinn Christopherson is an Alaskan singer-songwriter who won the 2019 Tiny Desk Contest with his entry "Erase Me". Since winning, Quinn has been able to tour and create music full time.
In the interview you can hear us talk about the beauty of winter, the support of his father, and finding good people to work with.
Bubblegum - 24:00
Instagram: @quinnchristopherson
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0tzC81XDBWtTPfJyUg6O2j
Website: https://quinnchristopherson.com/
Nick and I talk about mushrooms & spirituality, the similarities between evangelical worship leading and indie concerts, and what it means to lay some hot pads down on the one.
Give Me Back My Soul: 38:25
Instagram: @mediumbuild
Website: mediumbuildmusic.com
Alicia and I talk about learning how to grow as an artist, and how to organically grow a team that can challenge and support you as you continue to become your true indie-punk-self.
Dog Days LA: 28:28
Instagram: @aliciabluemusic
Website: aliciablue.com
Cristina is an accomplished singer-songwriter, slide & finger style guitarist, banjo player, and much more. You can hear her new album "Nowhere Sounds Lovely" now on Spotify or cristinavane.com On this episode you'll hear us talk about fingerstyle guitar through the eyes of Pete Steinberg (her mentor many years ago), added comforts as a guest or in a tent while on tour, and how Instagram isn't always a bad thing. Please enjoy Cristina Vane!
Heaven Bound Station: 23:21
Instagram: @cristinavanemusic
Website: cristinavane.com
Maya and I talk about evolving from a solo project to a band, the logistics of sharing responsibility amongst band members, and how the CD is still a useful piece of merch.
Going Nowhere: 24:53
Instagram: @__mayaelise__
Website: mayaelisemusic.com
Theo Matz (of American Sigh) and I discuss his new release "Burning The Flag", self-censorship, and his new upcoming album "Honor System".
Burning The Flag: 26:12
Instagram: @americansigh
Website: americansigh.com
Lizabett Russo and I discuss herbalism, growing up in Romania, and letting go of fear.
The Water Is Wide: 41:43
Instagram: @lizabettrusso
Website: lizabettrusso.com
Lauren Marcus and I why you should never look up the people auditioning you, and how to keep going when you seemingly failed.
Instagram: @laurmarcus
Website: laurenmarcus.com
Colton Nelson and I discuss self-doubt and how a loving community can push you to new places.
Big Dam Foolishness - 36:26
Instagram: @descolada_music
Website: descoladamusic.com
Esther Rose and I discuss songwriting on the road, the possibility of a train tour, and an amazing book called "The Body Keeps The Score".
Songs:
Songs Remain - 14:21
Instagram: @therealestherrose
Website: estherrose.net
Jamie Drake and I discuss her new album "Everything's Fine", connecting with your inner child, and what makes a good collaboration.
Songs:
Oh Well Oh Well - 39:05
Instagram: @jamiethedrake
Website: jamiedrakemusic.com
Aviva Le Fey and I discuss songwriting, magic, and the art of connecting with your ancestry.
Songs:
I Am California (Cover) - 47:17
Georgia - 01:01:19
Instagram: @avivalefey
Website: avivalefey.com
Sam Doores and I discuss his self-titled album, covid-time collaborations, and how he's not the kind of man that fiddles with software settings.
Songs:
Windmills - 28:30
Uncle Jessie - 56:00
Instagram: @samdoores
Website: samdooresmusic.com
Natalie Carol (Valley Queen) and I discuss how songwriting keeps us in our feelings, the importance of fighting, and how the music industry isn't always helpful.
Songs:
Highway Pearls - 18:20
Hold on You - 46:16
Instagram: @valleyqueenmusic
Chris Acker and I discuss motivational speakers, earning respect, purposely defying the expectations of others, and his new album Good Kid!
Songs:
Someday Lovers - 43:21
Panicked & Paralyzed - 56:58
Instagram: @chrisacker_growthsprout
Mackenzie Howe and I discuss the Waldorf School, Fear of Breakdown, and sifting through life mid-covid.
Songs:
Believer - 27:48
New Ways to Die - 54:50
Instagram: @pet_dress_
Bandcamp: https://petdress.bandcamp.com/
Sam Gelband and I discuss children's poems, building community in New Orleans, and remembering to enjoy the act of writing.
Songs:
Terrified - 16:20
I'll Wait For You - 39:13
Instagram: @sammygelbz
Bandcamp: https://mrsam.bandcamp.com/album/mr-sam-the-people-people
John Davey and I discuss writing songs while raising your firstborn, Lake Superior, and Puttin On The Ritz.
Songs:
Sugar Mask - 36:03
Boreal Lullaby - 52:00
Instagram: @johnisaacdavey
Website: johndaveysings.com
Dani Stacy and I discuss moving to Nashville, the makings for a good song collaboration, any why we've tried to lie about our age in the past.
Instagram: @dani_stacy
Website: danistacy.com
Ben Higginbotham and I discuss wedding bands, the power of Spotify playlists, and ladies trying to fight you while you play music.
Songs:
Take Me Back - 27:49
Books - 1:08:22
Instagram: @musicbycypress
Website: https://www.benhigginbotham.com/
Michael Solstrom and I discuss living out in the wilderness without electricity (what Michael is doing currently), the art of songwriting without rhyming, and what it means to finish a song.
Songs:
Dandelion Melody (Michael) - 4:27
Darlin (Conner) - 16:15
Fallen Pieces (Michael) - 32:35
Mystic Highway (Michael) - 50:24
Instagram: @solstrommusic
Bandcamp: https://solstrom.bandcamp.com/
Harrison Sands and I discuss his new album, collaboration, and the importance of real friendship within the music scene.
Songs:
Billy Crystal - 23:44
Instagram: @mrharrisonsands
Website: mrharrisonsands.com
James Spaite and I discuss character development through marriage, tappy tap guitar sounds, and the importance of constantly growing.
Songs:
Maple Whisky - 27:40
I Can't Make You Love Me/So Sick (Instrumental Cover) - 37:55
Instagram: @jamesspaite
Website: www.jamesspaite.com/together
Andrea and I discuss playing music on a cruise line, moving to another country to pursue music, and eating lemons (metaphorically).
Songs:
Untitled Song - 29:55
Instagram: @andrealisa.comm
Brian Mclaughlin of The Rare Occasions and I discuss his musical inspiration, setting songwriting goals, and not loving someone half-heartedly. This was one of the first interviews I ever did, which is why you'll notice that my hair is long and my interviewing skills are not as good. Luckily, Brian makes up for my lack.
Songs:
Sparrow (Brian) - 1:34
Gerilyn (Conner) - 11:34
Alone (Brian) - 23:07
This Is How I'll Love You (Conner) - 29:05
Set It Right (Brian) - 37:17
Instagram: @therareoccastions
Will Breman and I discuss his ongoing endeavors in education, watching each other grow over the past 7 years, mental health, religion, and a bit of Tony Robbins.
Songs:
Quiet - 18:27
Timing (Unreleased) - 49:35
Instagram: @willbremanmusic
Golda and I discuss the amazing story behind her song "Hear Me Out", sound healing, and the wonders of getting a degree in the music industry.
Songs: Wish I Was Someone Else - 33:50
Sidelines - 47:56
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/37twljvcr2zd46xUUZlnl6
Instagram: @goldamay__
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
Micah Bournes and I discuss what it takes to earn a mother's approval, inspirations behind Micah's new book "Here Comes This Dreamer", and the inner workings of the music world.
Poems:
2020 - 46:06
Can You Repeat The Question - 1:07:58
Website: https://www.micahbournes.com/home
Instagram: @micahbournes
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
David Fure (Middle Names) and I discuss what it takes to earn a mother's approval, inspirations behind David's album "The Present Perfect", and the connection between religion, music, and politics.
Bloodlines - 42:56
Instagram: @middlenames
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
Brett and I talk about past gigs, business ventures, and alter egos.
Songs: Thin Walls (Brett) - 22:05
The Choices of John Still (Conner) - 49:09
Find Peace (Brett) - 55:05
Website: https://www.bretthunterband.com/
Instagram: @bretthuntermusic
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
Mendeleyev and I talk music, hippies, psychedelics, and more!
Songs: Rough Sea, Soft Sky (Lev) - 20:48
Instagram: @mendeleyev
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
Hana and I laugh a lot while relating about being feminine in a masculine-dominated industry.
Songs:
Not About Lizzy (Hana) - 3:43
Gotta Have You (Conner) - 35:03
Untitled (Hana) - 57:41
Instagram: @thisisaluna
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
Ben and I share many unreleased songs and insights about how we write them.
Songs:
Evermore (Ben) - 1:08
Take It Or Leave It (Ben) - 20:30
The Reason We've Been Fighting (Conner) - 26:05
Untitled (Ben) - 41:50
Letters From Emily (Conner) - 47:44
Website: http://www.bencatch.com/
Instagram: @ben.catch
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
Bryan and I catch up about new music, vocal health, and life as an independent artist.
Songs:
Little Bit (Bryan) - 5:42
We're All In This Together Now (Bryan) - 21:10
This Is How I'll Love You (Conner) - 50:07
I Got A Girl (Bryan) - 54:04
Website: https://www.bryantitus.com/
Instagram: @bryantitusmusic
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
Carly, Bethany, and I share silly songs, serious songs, and many laughs as we catch up early-quarantine.
Songs:
Almond Milk (Brambles) - 2:22
Stalker Song (Brambles) - 9:35
Letters From Emily (Conner) - 13:48
Broken Body (Brambles) - 20:13
Darlin (Conner) - 27:02
Yell (Brambles) - 30:39
Website: https://www.thebramblesmusic.com/
Instagram: @lesbrambles
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.
Jackson and I talk influences, role models, and our mutual love for Nick Kroll & John Mulaney.
Songs:
Breeze (Jackson) - 7:52
Darlin (Conner) - 22:23
Learning (Jackson) - 33:36
This Is How I'll Love You (Conner) - 50:53
Sunset (Jackson) - 55:17
Website: https://www.jacksongilliesmusic.com/ Instagram: @jackson.gillies
Please excuse the many errors in these early episodes as I learn to be a better interviewer and facilitator of good conversation.