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Parenting Musically
Parenting Musically explores ways to make music an important and meaningful part of our families’ lives. This podcast features interviews with well-known musicians and their parents paired with interviews with music education researchers. Join us to discuss stories and research related to the musical lives of families.
Parenting Musically is supported by the GRAMMY Museum Foundation and an ACES+ Advance Opportunity Grant from Case Western Reserve University. The podcast is hosted by Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops, professor of music education at Case Western Reserve University.
Join us for a Bonus Episode with singer, songwriter and harpist Hattie Webb! In this conversation, Hattie and Lisa dialogue about playing the harp, their own musical expression as adults, how to foster musical creativity with children, and the importance of being responsive to our children from their earliest days as infants up through young adulthood. We also celebrate Hattie’s brand new album, Wild Medicine.
Episode 31 Shownotes
Hattie Webb’s Music
Videos for Hattie’s singles “Golden” and “Shakespeare’s Shore”
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically
Katherine Palmer, Senior Director of Education and Community Engagement at the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum, and Erin Hopkins, recent graduate of Case Western Reserve University’s music education doctoral program, join Lisa to recap Season 4. They reflect on favorite moments, emergent themes, and how to continue to learn from current recording artists and music industry professionals.
Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum
Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum’s 5-part docuseries, Words & Music: Journey of a Song on YouTube
Katherine Palmer’s email: K.palmer@countrymusichalloffame.org
Erin Hopkins’s website, Neurodivergent Music Education
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available now!
Lisa and co-host Julia are joined by five music educators who provided support through the process of writing A Family Guide to Parenting Musically, released today from Oxford University Press! Guests are Dr. Carol Scott-Kassner, retired music education professor; Stacey Kolthammer, early childhood music educator at Lake Shore Montessori Schools in Highland Park, IL; Dr. Elizabeth Tracy, music education professor at Heidelberg University; Kelsey Giotta, band director for Plain Local Schools, OH; and Dr. Erin Hopkins, music education professor at Augustana College. Guests share their favorite aspects of A Family Guide to Parenting Musically.
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available now!
Liz Rose, a Grammy award-winning songwriter, music publisher, and Songwriters Hall of Fame inductee, discusses her approach to collaboration with young performing artists and how it relates to her parenting and grandparenting. Radio Cremata, Associate Professor and Chair of Music Education at Ithaca College, responds with connections to his research on facilitation strategies in popular music education.
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thelizrose.com
https://open.spotify.com/artist/7pcKyVIatvXoHdZRr4Q3vT?si=FGXyl9L2SK2enFouMjVKzw
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
Mike Molinar, President and co-founder of Big Machine Music (BMM), and Amanda Molinar, owner of Grow Pediatric Nutrition, share how they engage in music with their sons. Mike discusses how his work connecting songwriters with artists relates to parenthood. Scott Wynne, Professor of Music at Appalachian State University, talks about their Music Industry Studies program and provides information about how young people can prepare for a career in behind-the-scenes aspects of the music industry.
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Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
Music educator, musician, and scholar-activist Brandi Waller-Pace connects the ideas that Rissi Palmer shared in Episode 26a to her own philosophy and work as the founder of the nonprofit organization Decolonizing the Music Room and organizer of the Fort Worth African American Roots Music Festival.
Brandi’s music and scholarship
Decolonizing the Music Room
Fort Worth African American Roots Music Festival
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
Musician and advocate Rissi Palmer discusses how she supports country artists of color through her Color Me Country radio show and artist grant fund and how she balances her work as a performer, speaker, and mother. Rissi shares her advice for how to diversify children’s music listening in an intentional way.
Rissi’s music
Color me Country Radio with Rissi Palmer
Color Me Country Artist Grant Fund
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
John Kratus, independent scholar and Professor Emeritus of Music Education at Michigan State University, connects his philosophy of music education and experiences of teaching songwriting to the perspectives and stories that Trent Wagler and Eric Brubaker of The Steel Wheels shared in Episode 25a.
Dr. John Kratus’s article Music Education at the Tipping Point
Dr. John Kratus’s chapter Songwriting Class as a Place for Healing
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
Trent Wagler and Eric Brubaker of the folk-rock band The Steel Wheels share about their band’s collaborative songwriting processes, the ways they engage musically and artistically with their daughters, and their work with the Red Wing Academy and Red Wing Roots Music Festival.
The Steel Wheels
Music video for Hero
Red Wing Roots Music Festival
Red Wing Academy & Red Wing Academy Non-Profit
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
Performing artist and songwriter Tenille Townes discusses her career, the importance of balancing encouragement and autonomy for teen musicians, and her approach to collaboration and mentorship in songwriting. Lisa makes connections between her research and Tenille’s experiences of family musicking.See Tenille Townes on the Tour: tenilletownes.com/#tourListen to Tenille's new song "Thing That Brought Me Here (Truck Song)" : https://tt.lnk.to/TTBMHListen to Tenille’s song “As You Are” : https://tt.lnk.to/AYALisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
Country music artist Alex Hall shares his musical journey, including the roles that supportive adults played in his early career and how becoming a father has impacted his songwriting. Tami Draves, Professor of Music Education at the University of North Carolina Greensboro, connects her research on mentoring and observations of songwriting as an expression of musical identity to Alex’s experience.
Alex Hall’s music
Listen to Alex’s “Dad Now”
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
Katherine Palmer, Senior Director of Education and Community Engagement at the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum, joins us for a conversation on what country music is, the importance of listening to diverse musics, and how to model expansive music listening for children. She shares how she facilitates musical interactions both at the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum’s Taylor Swift Education Center and in her prior work with the Fred Rogers Institute.
Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum
Katherine Palmer’s Website
Katherine Palmer’s White Paper- Expanding the Neighborhood: Diversifying Music Making and Listening Inspired by Fred Rogers
Lisa’s new book, A Family Guide to Parenting Musically - available for pre-order
Announcing Season Four of Parenting Musically! We’re excited to collaborate with the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum this season! Season Four features conversations with country musicians paired with responses from music education researchers, exploring topics from musical meaning to the role of music in family interactions. Listen to the trailer to find out what is ahead for this season.
Parenting Musically is supported by Case Western Reserve University. The podcast is hosted by Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops, professor of music education at Case Western Reserve University.
In the final episode of Season 3, we are joined by Madison Wise, PK-8 music teacher at a Boston public charter school. Madison describes the joys and benefits of elementary general music education along with the importance of approaching children’s music learning with curiosity.
Link to Inclusive Cabaret class: https://www.allnewton.org/inclusivecabaret
Link to Joy of Music class: https://www.allnewton.org/toddlers-and-youth
Parenting Musically Episode 3.5, Music for Now, Music for Later
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Christopher Clark, Director of Choral Activities at Case Western Reserve University, discusses how parent involvement helped him build a thriving choral music program in a small town school district. He shares successful advocacy strategies along with ways to cultivate children’s love of singing.
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
In this episode we hear from music educator Elizabeth Tracy, Director of the Community Music School at Heidelberg University and adjunct instructor at Heidelberg University and Terra State Community College. Elizabeth shares strategies that parents can use to support their children in their musical theater and private lesson participation. We also explore the importance of giving children space for musical creativity on their own terms.
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Alberto “Al” Rodriguez, Case Western Reserve University alum and orchestra director, piano instructor, and music technology teacher at Mount Vernon High School in Alexandria, Virginia talks about turning challenges into strengths in his music program. Al shares how families can support children in their music making, and how school music making can grow a child’s sense of community.
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Episode 17 is a conversation with music educator Erin Hopkins, elementary general music educator and current PhD candidate at Case Western Reserve University. Erin shares her thoughts on engaging with and advocating for children with autism and ADHD in family and school musicking based on her lived experience, teaching experience, and research.
Erin Hopkins’s website, Neurodivergent Music Education
Neurodiversity Week Resources for Parents and Teachers
Gigi's Playhouse
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
In this episode we hear from music educator Kristopher Morron, director of the Contemporary Youth Orchestra (CYO). CYO is a premiere youth orchestra in residence at Cuyahoga Community College in Cleveland that draws young musicians from throughout Northeast Ohio. Kris shares his approach to teaching middle and high school aged musicians and his advice for how families can support their children in music ensemble participation.
Contemporary Youth Orchestra
Cleveland Junior Honors Band
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Episode 15 is a conversation with music legend Rosanne Cash on motherhood, joy, guilt, and connection. Rosanne shares stories from her motherhood, from early days through now, and how she uses music to connect with her children and grandchildren.
Rosanne Cash Website - includes music, books, tours
Rumble Strip Records site - more details on Rosanne’s music and tours
Link to Parenting Musically Episode 11, Chelsea Crowell, Rodney Crowell, and Laura Cirelli
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Announcing Season Three of Parenting Musically! We’re excited to share a conversation with music legend Rosanne Cash and a series of interviews with music educators from around the country, all of whom have a connection to Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio. Listen to the trailer to find out what is ahead for this season.
Parenting Musically is supported by Case Western Reserve University. The podcast is hosted by Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops, professor of music education at Case Western Reserve University.
Kathryn Clusman, Manager of Community and Family Programs at the Rock Hall, and Erin Hopkins, Rock Hall intern and CWRU doctoral student, join Lisa to recap Season 2. They discuss the season themes of music as sonic experience, the central role of family in our episodes this season, and the examples of staying true to artistic voice. Kathryn shares an important epiphany and Erin responds with connections to music education.
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
Free online education resource for teachers and families through Rock Hall EDU
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Guest co-host Julia joins Lisa to interview Amanda Saldano and Abner Ramirez of JOHNNYSWIM. We hear about their commitment to staying true to themselves through their music and other artistic endeavors, as well as examples of their children sharing music with the family. Beatriz Ilari, Ph.D., Associate Professor and Chair of the Department of Teaching and Learning at the University of Southern California, responds with examples from her research with children and families world-wide.
JOHNNYSWIM website
JOHNNYSWIM Merch shop
JOHNNYSWIM’s Latest Album
JOHNNYSWIM Youtube
JOHNNYSWIM TikTok
Children’s Home Musical Experiences Across the World, by Beatriz Ilari and Susan Young
Parents as Home DJS
Learn more about the scope of the Rock Hall, from the smallest moments to the biggest stages, with Risa and John Goerhrke. Risa Goehrke is the Director of Brand & Content Strategy at the Rock Hall. She guides the organization's owned media channels and leads the team of creative designers and producers in crafting engaging content for fans. As Director of Fan Engagement & Onstage Experience, John helps create a world class experience for rock and roll fans all over the world through program development. Risa and John share parenting musically moments related to their two school-aged children.
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
Free online education resource for teachers and families through Rock Hall EDU
Singer-songwriter Chelsey Crowell, granddaughter of Johnny Cash, joins her father, GRAMMY-award winning singer-songwriter Rodney Crowell, to talk with Lisa about parenting musically in the context of their families of professional musicians. Laura Cirelli, Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Toronto, Scarborough responds with connections from her research studies about how infants and toddlers perceive music.
Chelsea’s Music
Rodney’s Music
Rodney’s Songwriting Camp, “It Starts with a Song”
Laura Cirelli’s TEMPO Lab
songstress jo (Tiffin University ‘23; Rock Hall Resident Rocker 2022) and their mom, Nicole Ochenduski, share a conversation about songwriting, supporting teen’s musical development, and the role of unconditional family support. Nate Kruse, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Music Education at Case Western Reserve University, shares his research on informal music learning and vernacular musicianship. Nate comments on the role of songwriting, musical expression, and supportive adults in young people’s lives.
Jo Ochenduski aka songstress jo
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all social media platforms: @songstressjo
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Folkestad G. (2006). Formal and informal learning situations or practices vs. formal and informal ways of learning, British Journal of Music Education, 23(2), 135–145 https://doi.org/10.1017/S0265051706006887
Giotta, D. P., & Kruse, N. B. (2022). “An unmarked puzzle box”: High school students navigating creative experiences through songwriting. Contributions to Music Education, 47, 37–59.
Mercado, E. M. (2019). Popular, informal, and vernacular music classrooms: A review of the literature. Update: Applications of Research in Music Education, 37(2), 30–37. https://doi.org/10.1177/8755123318784634
North, A. C., & Hargreaves, D. J. (2006). Music and adolescent identity. Music Education Research, 1(1), 75–92. https://doi.org/10.1080/1461380990010107
Powell, B. (2021). Modern band: A review of literature. Update: Applications of Research in Music Education, 39(3), 39–46. https://doi.org/10.1177/8755123320988528
Mandy Smith, Ph.D., Director of Education at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, walks us through the educational programs at the Rock Hall. She shares a description of the resources available free online, designed for families as well as teachers. We explore the importance of considering the context of the music we hear.
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
Free online education resource for teachers and families through Rock Hall EDU
Justin Andrews, grandson of the legendary Otis Redding, shares the vision of the Otis Redding Foundation, particularly as it serves young people through musical engagement year-round and during summer camps. We hear about the impact these pre-professional experiences have on young people and the need to provide more access.
David Thompson, Ph.D., founding instructor of Career Tech Music Production at GlenOak High School in Plain Township, Ohio responds with links to research emphasizing the importance of work being done by the Otis Redding Center for the Arts and similar programs. David shares his own work developing a music production curriculum and program in his district and provides definitions and descriptions of what music production can look like for the teens in our families and community.
Otis Redding Foundation
Giving to the Otis Redding Foundation
David Thompson’s Music Production program overview video
In this episode we hear from Jaon Hanley, Ph.D., Vice President of Education and Visitor Engagement at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio. Jason describes the many programs, spaces, and performances that comprise the Rock Hall, highlighting the interactive nature of visiting the Rock Hall. He encourages families to listen deeply to music - for enjoyment, for expression, for learning, and for understanding. His book, We Rock! (Music Lab): A Fun Family Guide for Exploring Rock Music History provides a step-by-step guide for families to do just this.
The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame
Free online education resource for teachers and families through Rock Hall EDU
Dr. Hanley’s, book, We Rock! (Music Lab): A Fun Family Guide for Exploring Rock Music History
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Dr. Koops’s Family Musicking Framework (see p. 12 in preview)
Announcing Season Two of Parenting Musically! We’re excited to partner with the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame for Season Two. Our theme for Season Two is exploring how encountering music in new ways can help us as families make music an important and meaningful part of our lives. Listen to the trailer to find out what is ahead for this season.
Parenting Musically is supported by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Case Western Reserve University. The podcast is hosted by Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops, professor of music education at Case Western Reserve University.
We are joined in this between-seasons bonus episode by Jody Guinn and her mother Caryl Guinn. Jody is a professional harpist and harp teacher, and Caryl taught elementary general music and piano lessons for decades. We talk about how Parenting Musically isn’t just about our direct family members. The important adults in our life outside of our family play an instrumental role in our musical growth and learning.
In this between-seasons bonus episode, Lisa talks with James Rhodes, professional violist and music educator, about making music lessons work for your family. We cover topics including practicing, child-teacher-parent relationships, and reflecting on the value and importance of music lessons.
In this mini-episode, the production team behind Parenting Musically recaps Season 1. Kelsey Giotta, a band director for Plain Local Schools in Ohio, is Social Media Coordinator for the podcast. Her daughter, Margaret, is almost 3. Davey Berris, audio engineer for the podcast, is Lead Digital Video Specialist for MediaVision at Case Western Reserve University. Davey’s son Blake is four months old. In this mini-episode, Kelsey and Davey weigh in on their favorite moments of Season 1, how they each use music in their parenting, and share ideas for Season 2.
Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Davey's Podcast, Cleveland Baseball Mornings
In this episode I interview Pua Pe‘a, a professionally trained hula dancer and mother to five children, including GRAMMY-award winning artist Kalani Pe‘a. Pua describes her use of music to help Kalani overcome a speech impediment. Pua also demonstrates the importance of advocacy for our children. Music therapist Claire Morison, MT-BC, provides context for Pua’s stories by giving an overview of the work of music therapists working with children. Claire provides resources for finding and working with music therapists as well as for parents who wish to use music in assistive ways with their children.
Kalani Pe‘as Music
American Music Therapy Association
The Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Episode 4 Suggested Activities
- Notice: How has music made a difference for you or the children in your life? Share with us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter with the hashtag #parentingmusically
- Consider: Is music therapy an option you would like to explore for your child?
- Talk: Talk to the children in your life about the ways we can use music.
In this mini-episode, Lisa reflects on the importance of our hopes and dreams for our children. With examples from Kenitha Roberts and Lisa Damour in Episode 3, Lisa encourages families to think about how music plays a role in their family life right now, as well as to consider their musical hopes and dreams for the future.
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Episode 3.5 Suggested Activities
- Notice: What are ways that music is an important part of your child’s life right now? Share with us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter with the hashtag #parentingmusically
- Consider: Do you tend to think more about music for now or music for later for your child?
- Try This: If your child has a school music teacher or private lesson teacher, open a conversation with them about your hopes and dreams for your child’s musical engagement.
In this episode we hear from Kenitha Roberts, Ph.D., an army veteran, college professor, and advocate for veterans. She is mother to rising country music star Reyna Roberts. Kenitha shares their journey from Reyna’s premature arrival through the challenge of homelessness and PTSD to today, with Reyna’s career taking off. New York Times best-selling author, psychologist Lisa Damour, Ph.D., reflects on how Kenitha and Reyna’s story exemplifies the goal of meeting children where they are and seeing the world from their perspective as a stance from which to grow. Dr. Damour also provides practical guidance for families navigating the stress of family life amidst the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.
Reyna’s Roberts’s music
Lisa Damour, Ph.D.’s website
Ask Lisa podcast
Untangled: Guiding Teenage Girls Through the Seven Transitions into Adulthood
Under Pressure: Confronting the Epidemic of Stress and Anxiety inGirls.
Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Episode 3 Suggested Activities
- Consider: How are you encouraging the children in your life to pursue their hopes and dreams?
- Try This: Help a child dream in the way Kenitha suggests with the ice cream truck example. Share with us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter with the hashtag #parentingmusically
- Notice: How can you “meet your child where they are”? What postures (getting to their eye level) or conditions (well-rested, no phones out) help?
In this mini-episode, Lisa provides context on the concepts of relational musicking and practical musicking. These ideas are an additional way to understand examples of family music-making. Drawing on ideas shared by Maggie Baird and Elizabeth Cassidy Parker in Episode 2, Lisa encourages families to incorporate more relational moments in family musicking and parenting.
Christopher Small’s book Musicking
Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Episode 2.5 Suggested Activities
- Notice: Do you lean more toward the practical or the relational when it comes to parenting? What about in the musical life of your family? Share examples with us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter with the hashtag #parentingmusically
- Consider: Would you like to shift the balance more toward relational musicking? Practical musicking?
- Talk: Ask a teenager in your life about the ideas of relational and practical musicking. Are these categories interesting? Would the teen like to change anything about their own musicking?
In this episode I interview Maggie Baird, an artist, songwriter, actress, and mother to GRAMMY-award winning artists Billie Eilish and FINNEAS. Maggie shares stories of the relationally-focused music-making of their family as the kids grew up. She also highlights the importance of following our children’s interests. Music education researcher Dr. Elizabeth Cassidy Parker responds with insights on the value of providing adolescents with space for exploration and the spaces that open when we listen to the young people in our lives.
Maggie Baird’s non-profit, Support and Feed
Learn more about the music and work of FINNEAS and Billie Eilish
Dr. Parker’s book, Adolescents on Music
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Suggested Activities
- Notice: how is relational musicking showing up in your family life? Share with us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter with the hashtag #parentingmusically
- Consider: is there a musical activity someone in your family would like to explore? What would it take to open this opportunity?
- Talk: Ask a teenager in your life to talk about a song that relates to how they think other teens are experiencing the world today.
In this mini-episode, Lisa provides context on the concepts of musical parenting and parenting musically. This gives listeners a way to understand musical interactions with children from a different perspective. Drawing on examples shared by Ziggy Marley and Vanessa L. Bond in Episode 1, Lisa encourages families to find new ways to include music in family life.
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Suggested Activities
- Notice: What are examples of musical parenting and/or parenting musically in your family life? Share with us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter with the hashtag #parentingmusically
- Consider: Would you like to add more of one or the other category into your family’s musical life?
- Try This: Collect a few “go to” musical strategies to help in the stressful moments. Ask your extended family and friends for their ideas.
In this episode we hear from Ziggy Marley, eight time GRAMMY award-winner, Emmy winner and philanthropist. Ziggy discusses the importance of music in every child’s life. He also reflects on ways to make space for musical creativity. Music education researcher Dr. Vanessa Bond responds with suggestions for parents and caregivers on creating open-ended pathways for musical expression.
Ziggy Marley’s non-profit, U.R.G.E.
Ziggy Marley’s recent book releases, My Dog Romeo and Little John Crow
Ziggy Marley’s latest children’s album, More Family Time
Dr. Vanessa L. Bond’s research: Sounds to Share: The State of Music Education in Three Reggio Emilia–Inspired North American Preschools
Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops’s book, Parenting Musically
Suggested Activities
- Consider: How do you make space for musical creativity in your family life? Share with us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter with the hashtag #parentingmusically
- Try This: Create a little song for a moment of your family’s daily routine (tooth brushing, getting out the door, or time for bed signal). Make up your own words and tune or put new words to a known tune.
- Notice: Listen as your children are playing. Are they singing? Adding rhythmic percussion to the play? Observe and enjoy the ways your children are naturally using the language of music!
Parenting Musically explores ways to make music an important and meaningful part of our families’ lives. Listen to the trailer to find out what is ahead for Season 1.
Parenting Musically is supported by the GRAMMY Museum Foundation and an ACES+ Advance Opportunity Grant from Case Western Reserve University. The podcast is hosted by Dr. Lisa Huisman Koops, professor of music education at Case Western Reserve University.