The Debrief with Created Equal: Recent Episodes
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We create dialogue about abortion in the public square. Then, we debrief. Join us for behind-the-scenes conversations examining the highs and lows of pro-life outreach. Each week, Seth and Lexie sit down with a Created Equal team member immediately after outreach to dive into the experience, sharing audio clips and argument break-downs. Whether you are outspoken against abortion or skeptical of the pro-life case, we invite you to come debrief with us.
Ep 91. Welcome to the last episode of season 3! Second-year intern Ella joins us this time to talk about a recent interaction she had with a woman at a college (not a college student). We discuss how to deal with distraction, how to speak the truth in love, and we talk about Ella's time with Created Equal. Come debrief with us.
Show Notes
We highly recommend the book Love Unleashes Life by Stephanie Gray Connors for helpful tips on how to talk to people compassionately while remaining rooted in the truth.
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Here is a video of a helpful conversation all about IVF, surrogacy, and infertility.
Conceived by Science is a book all about IVF, written by Stephanie Gray Connors.
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Ep 90. If you are against abortion, does that mean you must be against capital punishment too? In this episode, we'll talk about how opposing one does not necessitate opposing the other to be consistent, the idea that "killing is killing," and we'll talk about how the man in this clip proves that he, in some way, knows that abortion is wrong, even if he won't tell anyone so. Debrief with us!
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Ep 89. In this week's episode, we talk about a conversation had between Isaac and a woman at a college who turned out to be a signature collector for the radical pro-abortion amendment that will likely be on the ballot his fall. She supported abortion, despite agreeing that it is gruesome, saying our signs only show "one aspect of abortion." We'll talk about that and more in this episode. Come debrief with us!
Show Notes
Love Unleashes Life is a book written by Stephanie Gray Connors, which talks a lot about how to communicate the truth about abortion in a loving way.
Episode 48 and episode 82 both have similar themes to this episode.
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Ep 88. If you thought being a human was enough to protect you from discrimination, think again! At least according to this student who Maggie talked to at a high school, you need humanity plus something else: a certain size body! (We are not sure what size is value-giving, but apparently it's not the size you are right the beginning of your life.) Now, how does this fit with human equality? We're not sure, but we're talking about it in this episode! Come debrief with us.
Show Notes
Seth referenced Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan.
Seth also referenced this part in James.
Here is a very good video of Stephanie Gray Connors debunking the famous, pro-abortion, violinist argument.
Peter Singer is a proponent of infanticide and is the author of a book called Practical Ethics.
A follow-up to Practical Ethics, Why Should the Baby Live is the name of an article written by Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva.
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Ep 87. Those who advocate for abortion think they are so clever when they ask this question of pro-lifers: is an acorn an oak tree? A student at Virginia Commonwealth University asked this question of Elijah, and in this episode, we'll have Elijah himself on to talk about the conversation with us and discuss how to respond to this question, and we also talk about his experience as an intern with Created Equal and why YOU should do our internship!
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Anthony Levatino used to perform abortions but he stopped after a family tragedy and now he is a powerful pro-life advocate.
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Ep 86. This may sound crazy, but freedom has limits, and so does free speech! The uninhibited right to free speech does not allow you to do just anything. For example, it does not allow you to physically harm or kill others. Grace had a conversation with a young man who said that people should have the free speech to abort. Debrief with us as we discuss why that is just not true.
Show Notes
Atheist Sam Harris said in his book The End of Faith, " Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them."
John Stonestreet said on Twitter, "Ideas have consequences. Bad ideas have victims."
Hans and Sophie Scholl and Christoph Probst were part of the White Rose movement in Nazi Germany, who were executed for distributing anti-Nazi leaflets.
Nancy Pearcey wrote a must-read book called Love Thy Body.
Watch this video of a university professor getting arrested after she pulled the plug on one of our LED screens!
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Kent State shooting
CBR stands for The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform.
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Ep 85. Maggie had some disagreements with Ethan about the way he handled an outreach conversation with a high schooler, and we're gonna talk about it! This episode is all about relationships in the context of abortion: do they matter? Do they not? We also talk about the way in which pro-lifers ought to use the question of whether you would be more sad about hitting a toddler or a squirrel, and lastly, we touch on the well-known pro-abortion argument about saving 100 embryos or 1 five year old. Come debrief with us!
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Christopher Kaczor wrote a book called The Ethics of Abortion.
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Ep 84. In this second episode in our two-part series about birth control, we discuss how humans are not animals, why sex was designed for more than just pleasure, and why the contraception mindset, far from aiding us in the fight against abortion, just adds to the problem. Come debrief with us.
Show Notes
Watch this episode's GoPro clip!
Here is a page on our website about the extreme abortion amendment coming to Ohio.
Here is a video about Operation Overpass.
Here is the article which Maggie pulled a couple quotes from.
Jonathan Van Maren wrote a book called The Culture War, among others.
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Ep 83. Some think that if we're so against abortion, we should just push birth control. We are not so sure about that, however. In this episode, we'll talk about why we don't push birth control in general, and why hormonal birth control specifically is not ethical to take. Come debrief with us.
Show Notes
This PDF from AAPLOG contains information on the abortifacient nature of hormonal contraception.
This page on contraception from CBR UK is also very helpful.
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Ep 83. People had lots of reasons for slavery back when it was legal; did that make it okay though? Ian talked to a high school student who seemed to be saying that just as people had reasons for slavery, people have reasons for abortion, and good things can come from it. Listen in today as we discuss why no amount of profit will ever justify harming another person, and more.
Show Notes
Listen to our episode about the abortion amendment coming to Ohio.
Read our red pen version of the amendment by making an account on our volunteer portal!
Seth mentioned the story of Joseph in the Bible, which spans Genesis 37-50. Genesis 50:20 says, "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good."
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Lexie met a man at Planned Parenthood who made some pretty bold assertions. Debrief with us this week to learn why banning abortion is not ruling over anyone's reproductive system. We'll also talk about why forcing all men to get vasectomies is not comparable to keeping women from getting abortions.
Show Notes
The Debrief: Pro-Life Outreach is now on Youtube!
Seth mentioned this Stephen King quote from Twitter.
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Ep 80. When Isaac met a father outside Planned Parenthood who was determined to have his baby killed, their conversation quickly turned to religion. Isaac tried to tell him of his greatest need: the gospel, but the man dismissed it, saying it was just his "opinion." In this episode, we'll discuss the difference between an opinion and a truth claim and the way that a godless worldview drastically affects the way someone lives their life. Come debrief with us.
Show Notes
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Episode 59 called "What IS Coffee? What IS a Human?" was referenced.
Maggie recalled a similar experience she had with a father at Planned Parenthood.
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Ep 79. In this episode of the Debrief, we'll discuss why you DON'T need to be a doctor to have an opinion on abortion, much less an opposing opinion! We'll also talk about why it's so important that we stay in the Word of God daily. Come debrief with us!
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Seth referenced episode 13 called Escape From the Echo Chamber.
Seth also mentioned a book called The Coddling of the American Mind.
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Ep 78. A previous summer intern of ours, Zane, had this conversation with a man who told him he's "not pro-life." What did he mean, though? Probably not what you think! Debrief with us as we discuss the distinctions between "pro-life" and "'anti-abortion," when to use the label "pro-life," and more.
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Maggie spoke about an experience she had while interning with the Center For Bio-Ethical Reform.
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Ep 77. A common idea we encounter is that preborn babies are not actually humans, but only potential humans. But if they are potential humans, what are they right now? Many who hold this view can't answer that question. Debrief with us to find out why that is and how you can respond to these claims.
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Nick Vujicic was born without arms or legs and started an organization called Life Without Limbs.
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Ep 76. You may have already been stopped by someone asking if you'd like to give your signature for "reproductive freedom." In this episode, we'll explain what that's all about, why the stakes are so high, and how you can help us fight it. Come Debrief with us.
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National Review article Seth mentioned
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Ep 75. What is the goal of the pro-life movement? Taken from one of Ethan’s very first outreaches with Created Equal, this episode’s Gopro clip features a man who thought he knew the answer to that, but it turns out he didn’t quite get it right. Debrief with us to hear Seth, Ethan, and Maggie discuss this conversation, and to find out why abortion should be illegal.
Show Notes
In the book New Perspectives on Human Abortion, written in part by Thomas Hill, it says that a liberal estimate of the number of illegal abortions before Roe v. Wade was 210,00 per year; a conservative estimate, 89,000. Within seven years of legalization, abortion totals jumped to over 1.5 million annually!
Gregg Cunningham started The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform.
Mark Crutcher wrote the book Seige - A Pro-Life Field Manual.
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Ep 74. That's a shocking statement, isn't it! This is from a conversation Elijah had in downtown Columbus during his summer internship. While this guy initially seemed to be pro-life, it soon became clear that he was not. Listen in as Seth, Ethan, and Maggie discuss why he might have said that statement and talk about why we sometimes need to end conversations.
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Episode 11 has some similar themes to this episode, including the topic of how we sometimes need to end unfruitful conversations.
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Join us for one more Justice Ride episode! We talked with former intern Zane, who also came back this year for his second Justice Ride. We talked about a few of the interactions he had this week and heard his insights as to why the pro-abortion side doesn't seem intent on winning people over to their side, but instead they just preach to the choir of their own people. Come debrief with us!
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Ep 72. Our journey on the Justice Ride continues! This week we talk to two riders: Hayden, a first-time participant, and Isaiah, a returning rider. Both young men offer different perspectives on the trip and share with us about their experiences talking to college students. Plus we get to hear about an exciting work that the Lord did through the team while at the abortion clinic! Come debrief with us!
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Ep 71. Join us for the first episode of season 3 of The Debrief! In this episode, we sat down to chat with Cristiana of Tiny Heartbeat Ministries. The Justice ride just ended, but we recorded this right before the Justice Ride began, and we enjoyed hearing from Cristiana about her experience working with THM and what she was looking forward to on the Justice Ride. Come debrief with us!
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Ep 70. We encounter many inconsistent thinkers, but it's not too common to meet someone who blatantly admits that they think inconsistently, and is okay with it. Maggie met someone like this at the University of Cincinnati and was, frankly, completely baffled at his line of reasoning (or lack thereof). Come debrief with us for this last episode of season 2!
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Nancy Pearcey talks about the fact/value split in the introduction to her book Love Thy Body.
The account of Jesus and Nicodemus is found in John 3:1-21 (specifically verse 8).
C.S. Lewis said, "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else."
If we have any atheist listeners, we would love to get your thoughts on why you believe humans are valuable (if you do believe that). Message us!
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Ep 69. Our team member Molly spoke to a college student who calmly told her that she thinks it should be up to a mother's discretion if she wants to drown her two-year-old. Where does this troubling worldview come from and how do we respond to such a statement? Come debrief with us to find out.
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Watch this episode's GoPro clip on our Instagram.
Here's a good summary of the DC babies story, and here's another overview in which you can see the photos of the five late-term babies.
You can watch videos of Created Equal outreach at the University of Cincinnati here, here, and here.
This is the episode Seth was referring to when he said something about fart noises at the University of Cincinnati.
Francis Schaeffer was an American theologian and philosopher.
Laura Klassen's Magical Birth Canal video!
Seth referred to our episode called Good news for Gen Z Ennui!
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Ep 68. What do you do when someone tells you they can do whatever they want with the body inside them because of "bodily autonomy"? You Trot Out the Toddler with them! Jane did a great job of that with this woman she met in Cincinnati, who said outright that the preborn child is another body. Come debrief with us.
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Here's the Instagram video of Seth talking to a Planned Parenthood advocate about how they are primarily an abortion business (start at 1:58).
David Boonin wrote a book called A Defense of Abortion.
Read Them Before Us to learn more about how kids have a right to their parents.
Conceived By Science by Stephanie Gray Connors is a great resource to learn more about the dangers of the IVF industry.
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Ep 67. Lexie met this woman outside of a high school where her daughter was attending. As they talked, it came out that this woman used to work at an abortion facility! Listen to this week's episode to hear what Lexie told her and why it is paramount that we show the victims of abortion.
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Ep 66. This conversation about Evangeline's interaction with a college student started out about the student's personal experience with sexual assault, and ended up centering around the idea that feelings, while important, are not supreme. We talk about how it's imperative to reach out and touch the real world in order to be reminded that what we think in our own minds is not all there is. Come debrief with us.
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Chapter 4 of Jonathan Van Maren's book The Culture War talks about rape culture.
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Ep 65. It's somewhat refreshing but also scary when we meet people who are so consistent with their pro-abortion worldview. This man who Maggie met in Detroit, Michigan was perfectly fine with admitting that abortion kills biological humans, and that he doesn't care, because they haven't "lived life" yet. Debrief with us to find out how Seth, Lexie, and Ethan would handle this.
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Watch this episode's Gopro clip here!
The Guardian's article containing photos of "pregnancy tissue"
The article written by our team member Titus Meyer about how none of the Guardian photos were actually of preborn babies.
Extensive paper on when human life actually begins
Created Equal video of a student who struggled with basic biology
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Ep 64. In this episode, we listen to part of a conversation between staff member Titus and a young man who listed off a handful of reasons to justify abortion before finally settling on being self-sustaining as what causes someone to be valuable. But even that reason falls flat. Debrief with us to find out why.
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Watch this episode's Gopro clip here!
Scott Klusendorf is a renowned pro-life speaker.
Seth mentioned this Guardian article that admits that human equality springs from a Christian worldview.
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Ep 63. This is a surprisingly common thing we hear: Since Christians are supposed to be loving, that means we shouldn't push our beliefs on other people who don't agree with us, right? Wrong. Loving others often means telling then the truth. It's more than just being liked by others. Debrief with us to find out how Seth, Lexie, and Ethan respond to this claim.
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Jonathon Van Maren has written a few books, including The Culture War and Seeing is Believing.
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Ep 62. This episode is about a conversation Molly had with a college student who was pretty apathetic at first about abortion, but then changed his mind! We'll talk about the idea that consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, and then talk about what got him to change his mind. Come debrief with us!
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Watch our documentary, Doctrine of Demons.
The Culture War by Jonathon Van Maren
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Ep 61. What is true freedom? Mya talked with a college student who had a skewed perspective on what freedom is, thinking it includes being able to rip apart another human being. Listen in as we discuss why his viewpoint is a dangerous one to hold, and how we can respond to others like him.
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State Senator Josh Hawley wrote a book called The Tyranny of Big Tech in which he talks about how liberty doesn't just mean freedom of expression, but it also comes with responsibilities.
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Ep 60. In this episode, we talk about the claim that abortion laws inhibit women from getting the care they need after a miscarriage.
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Scott Klusendorf is the author of Case for Life and the president of Life Training Institute.
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Ep 59. In this conversation between staff member Titus and a young man he met near The Ohio State University, the man tried to use coffee to explain why he thinks abortion is okay. Listen in as Seth, Lexie, and Ethan unpack this man's worldview and what would be the natural result if he was consistent. Come debrief with us.
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Seth referred to philosopher Emmanuel Kant.
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Ep 58. Oh the irony. Debrief with us as we talk about a frustrating conversation Lisbeth had with a high school administrator who told her we need to have a little tact, when the administrator herself had been cussing up a storm before this conversation even took place! We'll also talk about the importance of free speech and a common misunderstanding about why it's necessary. Join us!
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Ep 57. This was a surprise! Our team member Maggie got doused with paint recently during a Fall Road Trip For life. Join us as we talk about our first encounter with the paint girl and what might have incited her to come back later with violence.
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The Coddling of the American Mind book
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At the University of Illinois Chicago, one of our summer interns, Ella, spoke with a Muslim student who justified abortion on the basis that preborn babies don't have souls before some point (even the young man didn't know when). In this episode, we talk about when human beings get souls, and whether that's even relevant to the issue of whether abortion should remain legal. Come debrief with us.
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Richard Dawkins said there would be "no good and no evil" in a world without God.
Seth briefly referenced this well-known pro-life organization.
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In this week's episode of Debrief:Pro-Life Outreach, we listen to two clips from Seth's GoPro footage in which he talked to two girls at Kent State University. They made the mistake of mixing up sentience with self-awareness. Do you know the difference? Would either one justify killing that innocent human? Come debrief with us.
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Baby Faces on the Today Show
Here is the website for the Yolocaust project that Seth mentioned, and here is an article containing the images from that project.
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This week on Debrief: Pro-Life Outreach, we discuss a clip Lexie had from Eastern Michigan University in which she is told, ironically, that she shouldn't be telling others what to do with their bodies - after they were demanding that we get our bodies off their campus. We also talk about the common line: "Don't like abortion? Don't have one," and why it's faulty.
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Contact us here to ask about joining a Road Trip For Life!
Apply here for the Justice Ride!
Ethan used the apologetic tool S.L.E.D.
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Join us to debrief a conversation with a New Yorker during our Road Trip for Life. The title of this episode comes straight from her, as well as the shocking assertion that, without abortion, women are a lower class than men. Join Seth, Lexie, and Ethan to discuss this unique perspective.
Show Notes
The book Ethan read: The Nuremburg Trial by Ann Tusa and John Tusa
Seth referenced this paper written by Steven Andrew Jacobs from which we get the statistic that 96% of biologists agree that biological human life begins at fertilization.
According to Wikipedia, Garrett Hardin "focused his career on the issue of human overpopluation." (Of course he did.)
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In this episode of Debrief: Pro-Life Outreach, you'll get to hear part of a conversation Isaac had with an attorney who got very angry despite his claim that staying calm is "pretty easy" for him. Tune in to hear his reasoning for why he chose not to stay calm, and also to hear Isaac give the Biblical reasoning behind why we use abortion victim images.
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This is a new argument! Claire talked to a college-age young woman in DC who had her list ready for why she thought abortion should remain an option for women. She claimed that it's better for a child to be aborted rather than possibly abused after they're born due to the mother's post-partum depression. Listen in to hear Seth, Lexie, and Ethan debrief this absurd idea.
Show Notes
See AAPLOG's brochure on Abortion and Mental Health
Listen to AAPLOG's podcast
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We've all heard it: the photos of abortion victims are gross! But are they gross merely because they show an ordinary medical procedure, which is always gross? In this episode of Debrief: Pro-Life Outreach, we talk about why pictures of abortion are different from any other type of procedure, and we also delve into the question of whether wantedness determines value.
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See photos of the victims of abortion that we use during outreach.
Watch the video Ethan referred to from the Debrief Instagram.
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Debrief with us as we walk through a confusing conversation that Grace had with a young man outside a high school. He initially referred to preborn children as "babies," then said it's better to kill them "before they become a human child." What's going on here? We also talk about what to say to someone who has become resigned to all the evil in the world.
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Seth referenced this episode from season 1.
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If a heartbeat demonstrates you're alive, then life must begin with the heartbeat right? Wrong. In this episode, we listen to a clip from Claire's footage at Kent State University in which she talked to a student who believed this. Debrief with us to learn why that is not true and learn how to combat that argument.
Show NotesMaureen Condic wrote this piece on when human life begins.
According to the British Heart Foundation, the human heartbeat may begin as early as 16 days.
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We're back with Season 2! Roe v. Wade is dead. Dobbs is the new precedent. And abortion supporters say we've won. But they're missing something. Listen to one progressive college student say the battle is over and that the pro-life side has won. Debrief with us to see what this reveals about the state of abortion in America and what we need to do.
Show Notes
The clip from this episode was from our 2022 Justice Ride!
Here's an article about what happened in Kansas.
Here's a video about the story Lexie mentioned where a woman and her mom killed her 28-week-old preborn baby.
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Coming back with #2 of 2 bonus episodes we're putting out between season 1 and 2 of The Debrief, we sat down with Ethan, one of our interns who came this summer, and who's coming back for a gap year! He talks to us about a hard day he and some other interns had while sidewalk counseling at Planned Parenthood. Join us as we discuss how to deal with feelings of guilt when a woman still decides to go in to kill her child, even when we're out there to help her.
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Ethan got experience sidewalk counseling on a Justice Ride, and so can you! Join us for our 2023 Justice Ride!
Ethan also did our summer internship, and he's coming back for our gap year internship. Learn more about that here!
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We're on a break between seasons 1 and 2, but that doesn't mean you have to go without us! Debrief with us for our first of two bonus episodes between season 1 and 2, and listen in as Seth has a conversation with Virginia Prodan, author of the memoir Saving My Assassin. Hear her tell her amazing story of how God used her to work in the life of someone who hated her, and how He can use you, too.
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Check Out Virginia's website.
Purchase Saving My Assassin.
Listen to the talk she did for our summer interns at their graduation ceremony.
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In this final episode of season one, Lexie shares her conversation with a teenager at Planned Parenthood who did not want her sibling to be aborted. Debrief with us for sidewalk counseling tips and a final reflection on season one of The Debrief.
Which episodes of season 1 were your favorites? What topics would you like to hear covered in season 2 of The Debrief? Mark your calendars for August when you can debrief with us again!Show NotesOther episodes on sidewalk counseling:
Baby Saved from Planned Parenthood!
Baby Saved Part 2!
"So I Murdered It"
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While discussing abortion, one guy told us his girlfriend was pregnant. How would you respond? Debrief with us to hear some ideas. We'll discuss finding common ground and personalizing conversations about abortion.
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Check out our other episodes in which we discuss abortion in the case of sexual assault:
Taking It to the Streets
The Secondary Victim
"Thou Shalt Not Judge"
Held Down for Abortion: A March for Life Story
With Great Vulnerability Comes Great Responsibility
Invited Inside a Public High School
Love Unleashes Life by Stephanie Gray Connors
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Tires screeching! Brakes slamming! Heart pounding! That's how this encounter began that Lisbeth had with a high school student. Thankfully, all ended well and they had a great conversation - to the point of the student telling her family about it and facing some backlash! Hear all about it in this episode of The Debrief.
Show Notes
Sean McDowell is a gifted communicator and apologist.
Letstalkabortion.com
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How do you react when someone quickly changes their tone from opposing to fearful? We sat down with Silas to debrief a conversation he had with a student who gave a defense of abortion at first, but soon came to terms with the reality of abortion as a great evil that should not be tolerated. Listen as he explains what must be done beyond pure logical arguments.
Show Notes
Listen to Marina's episode that we keep referencing!
Love Unleashes Life by Stephanie Gray Connors
Come to the Day of Action!
Letstalkabortion.com
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Is it a big deal if fetuses from various species look similar? Abortion advocates think so. Debrief with us as we talk with Claire about her experience at the Bans Off Our Bodies rally in Fort Wayne, IN. We discuss why what you look like doesn’t define you and share amusing slogans from pro-choice signs we saw!
P.S. Tell us which hobbies we should get into!
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Listen to Josie's episode to hear more about the Bans Off our Bodies rally.
Join us for our Day of Action, and hear from pro-life speaker Samuel Sey!
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Will overturning Roe v. Wade have repercussions in other areas? Does the pro-abortion side have sound arguments for defending abortion? Will mothers be able to get care for ectopic pregnancies if Roe is overturned? We cover each of these questions and more in this episode with Josie, one of our Justice Riders who recently joined us for outreach at a pro-abortion rally.
Show Notes
Check out this reel we made about the Bans Off Our Bodies rally.
Do outreach with us at our Day of Action!
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Some assume images of abortion only incite anger. Debrief with us Ava’s encounter where a student actually calmed down because of seeing abortion. Even if someone doesn't change their mind on the spot, it is a victory if they walk away having a more negative view of abortion.
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Letstalkabortion.com is a resource created to give you the tools to talk to anyone, anywhere about abortion.
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Usually we're outside high schools, but this time we went inside! How? What happened? Debrief with us to find out. You'll hear from team members Evangeline and Gabriel about student reactions to abortion victim photos, questions students had, and much more!
Show Notes
Here are photos of abortion from our website that you can use.
Aborting America by Bernard Nathanson
Peter Singer is a philosopher known for popularizing Personhood Theory. To understand his position better, read his book Practical Ethics.
Doctor Willie Parker is an abortion doctor who recognizes that preborn children are living human beings, as in this video.
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Coming back with another Open Mic outreach! However, this time Marina was the one with the mic answering the questions of an ardent pro-abortion crowd. The crowd that gathered tried their best to discredit her. Debrief with Seth, Lexie, and Marina to discuss the behavior of these students and consider how we can better reach them.
Show NotesLook for the photo of Marina and the Student President on Instagram @debriefwithus.
For a better understanding of the rights of children and to get a clearer picture of adoption read "Them Before Us" by Katy Faust!
Join us for the Day of Action and learn to have these conversations yourself alongside our experienced team.
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Talking about abortion often leads to talking about Jesus. How? Why? Seth and Lexie debrief with Isaac after he talks with a depressed IUPUI student. Their conversation shows that views on abortion are tied to general worldview. Discussing human value, then, naturally leads to questions about God. Oh, and we learn a new word!
Show Notes*To know the good news, read what God has revealed to us. If you don't know where to start, we would recommend reading the Gospel of John!
*Learned something new today! Ennui is a French word that often refers to depression or listless, meaningless boredom. Thank you, Seth!
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Debrief with us to dive into personhood theory. Grace joins us this week to talk about her conversation with someone holding extreme views on what constitutes a valuable life. Even if you haven’t heard of personhood theory before, the shocking claims will sound familiar. This is not a new idea but an old one repackaged to justify killing preborn children.
Show NotesCheck out the Choice42 video about the magical birth canal!
Read "Practical Ethics" by Peter Singer to better understand personhood theory and where it goes if followed to its logical conclusion.
For a more in-depth look at this theory, read Scott Klusendorf's article "Peter Singer's Bold Defense of Infanticide"
Here is a helpful acronym to see the differences between born and preborn children:
Size
Level of Development
Environment
Degree of Dependency
Do these differences make anyone less human or less valuable?
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Why is there division in the pro-life movement? And what can be done about it? This week, Created Equal’s president, Mark Harrington, responds. Mark just returned from leading a coalition of anti-abortion groups to New York City. Debrief with us as Mark looks back to founding Created Equal and the years of ministry leading up to the NYC outreach!
Show Notes
To hear more from Mark, check out The Mark Harrington Showor find him on Facebook and Instagram!
Get to know the groups that joined us in NYC!
- Protect Life Michigan
- Toronto Right to Life
- Canadian Center of Bioethical Reform
- Tiny Heartbeat Ministries
- Project Truth
- Survivors
Have questions about the effectiveness of using abortion victim photography in your public outreaches? Check out this study. Or you can watch this short video.
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Have you ever heard someone say an aborted child looks delicious? Created Equal team member Titus recently interacted with students mocking the babies this way. Debrief with us to find out what happens when their shameful behavior is exposed.
Show NotesLearn how to navigate conversations and guide them to the truth:
- "Fools Talk" by Os Guinness
- "Tactics" by Greg Koukl
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"I wouldn't call it killing. I would call it sparing." How would you respond if someone claimed that abortion is more compassionate, not for the mother but for the baby?
Mya talked with a young psychology student who believed that if the parents could not provide for the child, abortion would be better than developmental trauma. Join us as we discuss the concept of what it means to be a parent and how to respond to someone who may go through suffering.
Show Notes:This is not our first time debriefing with Mya. Check out her previous episodes!
- "Baby Saved Part 2!"
- "In the Crowds Outside the Supreme Court"
Here are a couple of resources to dive into how to understand assisted suicide:
"A Guide to Discussing Assisted Suicide" by Blaise Alleyne and Jonathan Van Maren
"Start with What" by Stephanie Grey Connors
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The Justice Ride always makes one unforgettable stop: The National Memorial for the Unborn. This old abortion facility was converted into a place of beauty—a place to remember and find healing through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Join Lexie, Seth, and intern Claire to hear about the widespread pain of abortion and how visiting the memorial has impacted their ministry over the years.
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On our way home from the Justice Ride, we debrief the week: countless conversations, new friendships, and powerful impact. Hear from several students and then dive in to debrief with first-time Justice Rider Mary! We had the pleasure of seeing Mary light up after conversations with students from day one. Come find out how the Justice Ride impacted her!
Show Notes:Want to learn how to have conversations on abortion and what outreach is like but can't do a Justice Ride? Sign up for the Day of Action this summer open for all ages: https://www.createdequal.org/joindayofaction/
Note from the producer: Thank you so much for sticking with us during this journey and interesting audio! Recording in echoey offices and on buses is not ideal, but it has been an adventure for all of us, and I hope it was for you, as well.
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What if instead of going on vacation for spring break you joined other students to talk to people about abortion? That’s what Noble did by joining the Justice Ride! Halfway through the week, after outreach in the Florida sunshine, Noble debriefs with us. Find out how he challenged one man’s attempt to skirt responsibility. Join us as we consider who is allowed to have a say on abortion.
Show NotesFor a deeper dive into the moral relativism that informed this young man's worldview, check out "Relativism: Feet Planted Firmly in Mid-Air"by Francis Beckwith and Greg Koukl.
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Sometimes sidewalk counseling can be discouraging when we don't see much change. However, there are days we are reminded that our presence has an impact. Join Lexie and Seth as they debrief with Lisbeth, who talked to a girl who has seen us outside Planned Parenthood for the past five years. Debrief with us as we discuss how to be prepared to help someone considering abortion.
Show Notes
Fetal models help connect families to the preborn baby and it is a great resource to have on hand while sidewalk counseling: https://www.hh76.org/default.aspx?GroupID=135
Good literature to have on hand while sidewalk counseling:
- This is Not your only choice: https://humanlife.org/product/PUB020/1-this-is-not-your-only-choice-street-magazine-2022
- Post Abortive Syndrome: https://www.hh76.org/details.aspx?prod_id=557
- Literature for the fathers: https://www.hh76.org/details.aspx?prod_id=560
- Abortion Pill Reversal: https://www.hh76.org/details.aspx?prod_id=21809
Check out LetsTalk Abortion.com as you navigate your own conversations with others about abortion!
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Have you ever been talking with someone and realized that you are using the same words but defining them differently? Sometimes we need to stop to define our terms in order to make communication possible. Ava was able to spot early on in a conversation that she needed to stop and clarify the meaning of key terms with the girl she was talking to. Debrief with us as we discuss strategy and why we need to define what words mean in a world that is increasingly losing all meaning.
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The Justice Ride is a week-long road trip down to Florida based on the Freedom Rides of the civil rights movement. On this trip, the Created Equal staff trains high school and college students in pro-life apologetics and brings them to do outreach on college campuses. Over the week, we will be recording 3 episodes, debriefing on several Riders' experiences. All three episodes will be dropped on March 23! So buckle in and debrief with us from the Justice Ride!
With all the evidence we have, indicating clearly that preborn children are unique human beings, you would think just proving this would change anybody's mind right? Join us as Lexie and Seth debrief with Esther after a frustrating conversation with two high school girls, who refused to acknowledge the humanity of preborn children. How do we have the right perspective on these kinds of conversations when we hit a wall?
Show Notes
This is a topic that deserves more time but here is a conversation with pro-life apologist Stephanie Grey-Conners about IVF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu7oyZjlEDU
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This week Seth and Lexie debrief with Created Equal staff member Maggie after a very hard day sidewalk counseling outside the Columbus Planned Parenthood. When we are counseling parents, we are often trying to show them other options to their felt need for abortion. What do you say to a man who says that the reason for the abortion is because they don't want a child? Debrief with us as we walk through this conversation and wrestle through together how to respond.
Show NotesIf you want to start sidewalk counseling but don't know where to begin, you can check out our online training: https://www.createdequal.org/swc-getting-started/
Please be praying for the mothers and fathers who have or are planning on getting an abortion, only God can truly reach their hearts.
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Debrief with us as Lexie and Seth talk with Gabriel after a snowy high school outreach. Many students believe that even if there is something wrong with abortion, there have to be exceptions where we allow it. Join us to consider how to best engage and encourage these students.
Show NotesCome on the Justice Ride and get a front-row seat to stories with Gabriel.
In every state, it is illegal to force someone to have an abortion. If you know someone who is in this situation, they can go here for help: https://thejusticefoundation.org/cafa/.
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Christen Pollo, executive director of Protect Life Michigan, stops by after her first Created Equal-style high school outreach! Listen to her conversation with students who agree abortion is wrong but think it should be legal. Then consider with us why so many people are stuck on this point. Do complexities of abortion justify keeping it legal? Debrief with us to find out!
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Check out Trevor Pollo's book The Deity Debate.Watch the Mark Harrington Show with Christen, "The Next Normal: How to Face the Challenge of a State-by-State Battle" to learn more about this new bill in Michigan and how you can help!
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What if the pregnant mother is really young? Then is abortion okay? Join us to debrief a conversation team member Evangeline had with a high school student. The student changed her mind on abortion--from pro-choice to pro-life! But during the conversation she raised the question of vulnerability. If someone is vulnerable, how does that affect our responsibility? Come debrief with us!
Show NotesLearn to defend the most vulnerable with other students on the Justice Ride!
Dive into how to respond to the argument that abortion should be allowed if the woman is raped in episode 2 of The Debrief, "The Secondary Victim."
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She thought she was getting a prenatal checkup. Instead, the doctor held her down for an abortion. We met Jennifer at the March for Life, where hundreds of thousands mark the anniversary of Roe v. Wade. Her story of a forced abortion leading to rescuing others shocked and inspired us. Debrief with us as we share Jennifer's story and discuss the primary and secondary victims of abortion.
Show NotesRachel's Vineyard and Deeper Still are organizations that help people with abortion recovery. If you or a loved one has had an abortion, there is healing through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Check out "The Secondary Victim," one of The Debrief's first episodes, where we explore the idea of primary and secondary victims further.
Stay tuned for more content from the March for Life at CreatedEqualFilms!
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Many love to accuse pro-life people of not being “pro-life enough.” Debrief with Claire after a group of students ask her if she is anti-war in addition to opposing abortion. Join us in an honest assessment of labels used by all sides of the abortion debate, and consider whether you would join an anti-war chant.
Show NotesLearn more about our summer and gap year internships!There are approximately 862,320 abortions every year which equates to roughly 2,300 every day. Data is from the Guttmacher Institute.
Check out the book Between Pacifism and Jihad by J. Daryl Charles. If you want to study war from a Christian worldview, this is a great beginning resource! Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/debriefwithus/
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Jump in on a conversation with someone who didn't challenge our ideas but instead focused on our method of outreach. At Created Equal we use abortion victim photography. Join us as we discuss why we do this and the question of whether seeing abortion helps or harms women. Debrief with us!
Show NotesWatch our Know to Defend video on why we use abortion victim photography. Listen to Stephanie Gray Connors discuss why this photography matters.
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If a picture is worth a thousand words, what is a video of abortion worth? Debrief with us as Seth and Lexie talk with Ian about a conversation he had next to Created Equal's JumboTron. Listen as one student's worldview is challenged by the reality of abortion. Find out how to leave someone with "a pebble in their shoe."
Show Notes:
Check out our Justice Ride to learn how to defend preborn babies and spend a week in Florida doing public outreach.
Watch this video to see the JumboTron in action at the March for Life.
This is why we fight (Graphic footage that shows the reality of abortion).
"Tactics" by Greg Kougl is a great resource on discussing the Christian faith.
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If you do outreach on college campuses, you will probably at some point face crowds of pro-abortion students. While our goal is to talk one-on-one with people, that is not always possible. Titus knows this all too well, facing multiple crowds since joining our staff a few months ago. Debrief with us as Lexie and Seth talk with Titus about how to handle multiple people shouting arguments at once.
Show NotesCheck out our Justice Ride to learn how to defend the unborn and spend a week down in Florida getting the chance to talk to students alongside our experienced staff.
Seth referenced how Scott Klusendorff talked about what real change looks like, Check out his book "Case for Life." It is a great resource.
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A student at Ohio State University told Lexie that abortion "saved his life". Thankfully, that was not the end of the conversation. Join Seth and Esther as they talk with Lexie about the amazing turn the conversation took. Debrief with us as we ask how to relate and care for the person in front of us while remaining committed to the truth.
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For those in an unplanned pregnancy, you can go to optionline.org to find a Pregnancy Resource Center in your area!
Learn how to defend the unborn in conversations on the Justice Ride! For more information go to JusticeRide.org
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History is being made as the Supreme Court hears Dobbs v Jackson, the case with the potential to overturn Roe v Wade. While everyone is tuning in to what is happening within the court, our team went into the crowds of abortion supporters that gathered outside the court. Join us as Seth and Lexie talk with Mya about her experience amidst the crowds and the honest conversation she was able to have within the chaos.
Show NotesTo learn more about the Dobbs v Jackson case, take a look at the article "Roe Will Go" by Robert George. You can also check out this video by Live Action.
Learn more about Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists here.
Become equipped to engage the culture on abortion with the Justice Ride or look into our Summer Internship!
Listen to the Debrief episode where we dove into Moral Relativism.
Wondering why we need abortion victim photos when pro-life groups gather? Here are 5 reasons why.
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From pro-choice to pro-life: Listen to one student do a 180 on abortion. But what did he mean by a "social media bubble"? Debrief with us to find out. You'll hear the simple evidence that changed his thinking on abortion, learn a quick response to claims that all choices are morally equal, and dive into a discussion on social media and thinking critically.
Show Notes:
Take responsibility and take a week to defend the unborn on the Justice Ride. For more information go to JusticeRide.org.
Read about 12 Ways Your Phone is Changing You.
Go through our Frequently Asked Questions if you have an objection you would like answered.
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What would you do if you were given a microphone to talk and debate with a crowd of rowdy pro-abortion students? Well, Seth is Created Equal's resident expert in this area. Join Lexie and Isaac as they talk with Seth about his experience doing an Open Mic at the University of Cincinnati. Debrief with us as we dive into how to respond when people argue that not all human beings are equal.
Show Notes:
Check out photos of the open mic session published by the University of Cincinnati school newspaper.
Watch a previous open mic Seth did at the University of North Florida.
Watch Seth talk about the bizarre trend of pro-abortion people barking at us.
Keep an eye out on our Youtube page for upcoming video from this outreach!
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Ever have someone troll your outreach? This happened to us (again). Listen to team member Grace's conversation with a protester whose unique message was designed to mock us. Debrief with us to find out how to respond to ridicule. Learn how this connects to efforts to normalize abortion. And, find out how and when to do one of the hardest parts of outreach: end fruitless conversations.
Show Notes:
Take responsibility and take a week to defend the unborn on the Justice Ride. For more information go to JusticeRide.org
Listen to Joe Scheidler's position on abortion victim photography.
Read about fighting abortion in Joe Scheidler's book CLOSED: 99 Ways to Stop Abortion
Learn more about why we use Abortion Victim Imagery with our short 'Know to Defend' video.
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Debrief with us after a high school outreach. Listen to Isaac’s conversation with a young man believing the lie that he has no say in abortion. In the names of compassion and neutrality, our culture is teaching young men that they don't have to be responsible. And all of this is undergirded by Moral Relativism. How do we respond and encourage these young men to stand up for truth and life?
Show Notes:
Take responsibility and take a week to defend the unborn on the Justice Ride. For more information go to JusticeRide.org
Read about Greg Koukl’s strategy of putting a pebble in someone's shoe.
Watch R. C. Sproul suggest stealing a wallet as a way to respond to Moral Relativism.
Check out Francis Beckwith’s response to Moral Relativism and the abortion debate.
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Sometimes people try to use the Bible to defend being pro-choice. How should we respond? Debrief with Lexie, Seth and fellow staff member Lisbeth to find out. Consider one specific conversation raising the question of whether there is any legitimacy to what people often treat as the 11th commandment, "thou shalt not judge." Bonus: Find out if Created Equal is guilty of "sealioning."
Show Notes:Come learn and have these conversations yourself on the Justice Ride! Learn more and apply at JusticeRide.org
For a fuller response on the question of abortion after sexual assault, check out Episode 2: The Secondary Victim.
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So, we met some satanists during outreach. And this wasn’t the first time. Join us as we debrief an encounter Silas had with students at Ohio University (Athens, OH) who claimed to worship Satan. Consider with us the various types of satanism. Ask the big question: What is the role of religion in this debate?
Show Notes:To learn more about the connection between Satanism and abortion, check out our short film documentary "Doctrine of Demons"
Check out the video produced by Choice42, "Modern Child Sacrifice"
To learn more about how to defend against different abortion arguments, check out Know to Defend mini-series on YouTube.
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Putting their summer of pro-life training to the ultimate test, Created Equal's interns went on a road trip to the abortion capital of our country, New York City. Drop in on the conversation as intern Jane steps aside from outreach to debrief with us by phone. Listen to her capture the experience as a high school student defending preborn babies in the middle of New York. Hear the story of one New Yorker who is now pro-life after meeting Jane. Debrief with us and ask the question, "Who is willing to go and stand for the preborn in a massive city like this?"
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Watch footage from the trip to New York City with this video on Created Equal Films!
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"Aborted babies go to heaven, so they're already in a better place. Your outreach just hurts women." Have you heard this? Our summer intern Maggie did. Debrief with us to dive into these challenges to our outreach methods and motives. Together, we'll consider the most loving actions for parents and their preborn children.
Show Notes:If you want to learn about Tiny Heartbeat Ministries go to: https://www.tinyheartbeatministries.com/
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Abortion is not just an idea. We meet many people deeply impacted by it. Join us as we debrief with Emma her conversation with a dad after abortion. We know abortion is wrong, but what do we say to people who have chosen it? Is there hope for those who've had abortions?
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If you have had an abortion, you can go to https://www.godeeperstill.org/ to see how they can help you find healing.
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In the last episode, Audrey shared about a baby saved from abortion, but that is not the end of the story. A second baby was saved that same day! Listen as Mya recounts her conversation with a young mom outside Planned Parenthood. Join us as we consider how to persist in sidewalk counseling even when we don't see lives rescued.
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Take action and learn to be a sidewalk counselor: https://www.createdequal.org/swc-getting-started/
Learn about the abortion clinics near you: abortiondocs.org
Pregnant? Had an abortion? There is help available. You can go to Optionline.org to find a resource center near you.
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In the premiere episode of The Debrief, Amelia joins us to share about her first-ever outreach experience! Drop in on the discussion as Lexie and Seth review a clip from one of Amelia's conversations with her, asking the question "Does suffering ever justify having an abortion?"
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Stephanie Gray Connors' website: https://loveunleasheslife.com/
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Join us as Lexie and Seth debrief with summer intern Cole after he talked to a man that had a hard time staying on just one topic. We discuss one of the most common arguments that we come across and ask, "How do we respond to acts of injustice? How do we know who is the victim and who is the victimizer?"
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At abortion clinics around the country, 2,300 babies are killed every single day. Join Lexie and Seth as they talk to Audrey after she spent the morning talking to parents considering abortion. Audrey recounts being part of a family's choice of life for their baby, and we ask, "How can we best reach out and help abortion-minded mothers and fathers?"
Show notes:
Pregnant? Considering an abortion? Go to: Optionline.org
Want to start sidewalk counseling? See our online training: https://www.createdequal.org/swc-getting-started/
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Welcome to the Debrief, where each week Seth, Lexie and another member of Created Equal's team work through conversations we have about abortion. No conversation is textbook; unexpected things happen all the time. Together, we continue to learn by unpacking the different types of conversations and strange encounters we have. Join us. We are Created Equal, and we are inviting you to debrief with us!
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