"Shared Voices", by 10-42 Project, A First Responder Podcast: Recent Episodes

Daniel and Christina Defenbaugh on behalf of 10-42 Project

"Shared Voices" is a first responder podcast that focuses on our first responders' mental health and well-being. We talk openly, honestly, and transparently about the real issues that our first responders and their families face. Our mission is to serve as a confidential ally to every current and former first responder, and their families, and remove financial, social, and emotional barriers preventing access to support and mental health resources.10-42 Project website: www.10-42project.org

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The uniform can make you look bulletproof while your nervous system quietly keeps score. We talk with Joe and Christina, a husband and wife counseling team, about what happens when years of calls, deployments, and high-stakes decisions start turning the emotional volume down. Joe shares his path from Army National Guard combat medic to police officer to counselor, and Christina brings the often-missed perspective of the spouse who lived the schedule, the stress, and the home life that has to absorb the overflow.

We dig into compassion fatigue and why numbness is not “just part of the job.” We also get honest about first responder culture: dark humor, shutting down after tough scenes, and the common habit of trying to process trauma at a bar instead of in a healthier space. You’ll hear practical ways to stay grounded using evidence-based coping skills like mindfulness, distress tolerance, and present-moment awareness, plus why physical health and mental health are connected for real recovery.

Joe and Christina also explain what therapy actually looks like for law enforcement, EMS, dispatch, corrections, military, and their families. No interrogation. No career backchannel. Just confidential, culturally competent counseling that helps you clarify your values and break destructive loops like self-judgment and negative self-talk. They share how the Clearbrook Counseling Professionals Public Servant Program in Ankeny and Ames supports flexible scheduling and telehealth across Iowa, so help is not stuck weeks away.

If you know a helper who is carrying too much, share this conversation with them. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what is the biggest barrier that keeps public servants from getting mental health support?

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Trauma swapping is one of those habits that feels supportive in the moment, then quietly keeps the whole nervous system on high alert. We sit down with Rick and Monique from Real Connections Counseling and Coaching to name what’s actually happening when first responders start one-upping each other’s worst calls and why that “instant relief” can turn into rumination, anger, isolation, and relationship damage later. If you’ve ever left a shift, a bar, or a buddy conversation feeling weirdly stuck or keyed up, this one will hit home.

We also get practical about what helps. Rick and Monique explain their team-based approach to counseling, including two-hour couples therapy sessions that give you room to tell the whole story without racing the clock. We talk about how to externalize the problem so you can face it together, how grief and loss show up as secondary trauma for police, fire, EMS, and dispatch, and why the goal isn’t forgetting what you saw but learning to reprocess it so it stops running your life.

Finally, we challenge the “only we understand” bubble. Community matters, but it can’t be limited to the blue line. We dig into why connecting with safe people outside the job, rebuilding hobbies, getting back into nature, and sharing the emotional experience rather than the graphic details can create a real soft place to land and a real path to healing. If this conversation helps you, subscribe, share it with someone on your crew, and leave a review so more first responders and families can find it.

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The toughest part isn’t the call; it’s what echoes after. We sat down with a physician assistant who runs a ketamine clinic and a therapist who treats first responders to unpack how evidence‑based tools can make trauma feel survivable again. If you’ve only heard about ketamine from street stories or ER sedation, this conversation will reset the frame: controlled, low‑dose treatment can increase neuroplasticity, reduce the emotional punch of memories, and lower cravings that keep people stuck. Add structured therapy, and the path forward gets clearer.

We walk through how ketamine works, why it’s tightly regulated, and what a typical protocol looks like. Then we dig into the power of pairing medicine with psychotherapy, where insights from sessions carry into counseling and make reprocessing less triggering. EMDR gets a plain‑spoken breakdown, so it’s no longer mysterious or intimidating. The goal is simple: help the brain revisit hard moments without panic and install healthier beliefs that last.

Personal stories bring urgency to the science. A pediatric code that changed a father’s life, the high‑school collapse that pushed an EMT to become a PA, and the post‑COVID ER chaos that led to building a calmer clinic for first responders. We talk openly about stigma, addiction fears, and why many see alcohol use drop as they heal. You’ll hear how peer support lowers the barrier to trying something new, and why an objective, self‑compassionate view; can be the hinge for recovery.

If you serve and carry images you avoid, there’s hope with safe, supervised ketamine therapy, EMDR, and steady talk therapy. Reach out with your questions, share this with a partner or teammate, and help us keep these tools in the hands of the people who need them most. Follow the show, leave a review, and tell us what you want us to explore next.

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A single choice can echo for years. Jen joins us to revisit the 2016 wrong‑way crash that killed two of her husband Joe’s officers, the survivor guilt that took root, and the quiet self‑doubt that followed him back to work and into their home. We move through the 2020 assault where Joe was ambushed and bitten, the sleepless nights and nightmares that wouldn’t let go, and the cultural whiplash of a year when COVID isolation and civil unrest turned pride in the badge into constant hypervigilance. Along the way, we talk candidly about how “routine” decisions can create moral injury, why standard debriefs often miss the family, and what spouses can watch for when a loved one keeps circling the same names and scenes months later.

The day Joe died looked painfully normal: coffee on the deck, a lunchtime walk, a casual comment about burial framed as safety talk, and a quick trip for sodas. Jen found him in the car, steps from their front door. She takes us through the immediate chaos, the officers who stood up to help, and the moments that still hurt; like promised honors that never came. We also dig into policy and progress: how Public Safety Officer Benefits now recognize certain suicides as line‑of‑duty deaths, why that matters for dignity and support, and how departments can do better by educating families, tracking delayed stress responses, and normalizing confidential care.

This conversation is raw and practical. We highlight resources like First Help (https://1sthelp.org/). If you wear a badge or love someone who does, this story offers language, tools, and hope. If you’re struggling, call 988, and if you need a softer first step, reach out to us. Subscribe, share this with a friend in the field, and leave a review to help more first responder families find the support they deserve.

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Start with a prayer and you change the room. That’s how we welcomed Jennifer Morgan, widow of Sgt. Joe Morgan, to help us tell a story that holds both love and the hard parts most people won’t name out loud. We talk about a fast dance neither of them could dance, a phone number scribbled on paper, and the way a calling to serve can fill a life with purpose while quietly piling up weight you don’t notice until it’s too heavy to lift alone.

Jen walks us through Joe’s path from Cedar Rapids to small-town chief in Oxford Junction to Des Moines, where he found his home on the east side. He loved the work: the people, the midnight calls, the teachable moments for younger officers. We revisit his officer-involved shooting, the late-night knock at the door, and the uneasy fact that the suspect had no gun. Policy said justified; Joe said he wouldn’t hesitate again. That resolve carried him—and it also made it easy for those who loved him to believe everything was fine. We talk honestly about spousal blind spots, the stories cops keep to protect their families, and the way support fades when the headlines do.

As a supervisor, Joe took pride in mentoring and staying where the action was, but leadership adds a second backpack of stress. Night shifts, disrupted sleep, and constant vigilance wear down even the best. We also share lighter moments - Joe’s COPS appearances, including the infamous stuck-on-the-tracks scene - because a full life holds laughter right next to pain.

We close by honoring Joe plainly and setting up part two. If you’ve ever felt the weight of the badge - or loved someone who wears it - this conversation is a hand on your shoulder and an open chair at the kitchen table. Listen, share it with someone who needs it, and help us change the culture one honest talk at a time. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us what brave conversation you’re starting today.

Check out the resource attached below that helped Jen navigate her husband's suicide.

https://1sthelp.org/

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What if the tools that once kept you sane start making the noise louder? Gilbert’s story begins with teenage coaching sessions and Marine Corps discipline, then moves into six years as a deputy where fitness and grit felt like enough; until they weren’t. He talks about learning the job under pressure, trying to be the kind of cop he didn’t meet as a kid, and why the post-2020 climate turned good police work into a political minefield. The honesty lands hard: you can do everything right and still carry a weight your body can’t burn off.

The heart of this conversation is loss and what followed. After his friend Tom, a Marine and deputy, died by suicide, mentors nudged Gilbert into a therapist’s office he swore he didn’t need.

There’s also a turn many won’t expect. Raised Catholic, Gilbert walked away from belief during his service, especially while working child sex crimes. A first responder retreat reframed everything; not as arguments, but as guidance. One line from Jeremiah about finding rest by giving allegiance to God hit like a key in a lock. Around a campfire, he saw a simple image: God waiting at the door, patient, not pushy. Saying yes didn’t erase questions; it restored rest. That shift didn’t replace therapy or training; it braided them together with purpose.

Gilbert shares where to find his podcast, his book on Amazon, and his online coaching that helps first responders and anyone build sustainable fitness aligned with real life. The throughline is freedom: you’re allowed to change chapters, trade pension math for purpose, and choose a community that lets you ask hard questions while you heal. If you’ve been carrying it alone, press play, take what helps, and share this with someone who needs a handhold today. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us what line stayed with you.

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What if the fastest way to quiet a racing mind starts with a slow walk? Our own journeys from duty-focused fitness to recovery-focused movement highlight a simple truth: when the goal shifts from performance to regulation, exercise becomes more sustainable and more helpful.

We talk about redefining fitness after law enforcement, when strength once felt like armor and speed felt like survival. We share stories about injuries, overtraining, and the post-achievement crash that hits after big races or PRs. The fix isn’t another extreme plan; it’s flexibility, grace, and small, repeatable wins that stabilize your week.

If trauma is stored in the body, the body must be part of the solution. You’ll hear practical ways to start when you are struggling: 10-minute outdoor walks, easy strength sessions that end with energy left, and nature time. We also cover how to navigate busy seasons, break the all-or-nothing mindset, and build routines that feel good on ordinary days, not just finish-line moments.

Walk away with realistic steps that fit your life: less pressure, more presence, and movement that supports your mental health instead of draining it. If this resonates, follow the show, share it with someone who needs a nudge, and leave a quick review - then tell us: what small step are you taking this week?

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From the moment the phone rang to a crowded ER stacked with pizza boxes and uniforms, we walk through the shock, the community response, and the hard, slow road that followed. Breanna shares the realities many first responder families face.

We talk about what happens after the headlines fade—months of recovery, returning to duty, and ride-alongs that reopened wounds with a child death call and an armed domestic. When the job no longer fit, retirement arrived sooner than planned. At home, stress rewired their marriage: resentment, overwork, and a sense of living on two separate trains. Breanna names the darkest moment, a medication-triggered spiral into suicidal ideation, and the grace that broke it—a late-night glance at the person who was still her safe place. That moment led her to First Responder Support Network and the WCPR spouse retreat, where a patient chaplain, daily chapel, and peers offered tools that actually translate to home.

You’ll hear simple, durable practices: asking “comfort or solutions,” naming love languages, setting boundaries around triggers, and learning to say what you need instead of hoping your partner reads your mind. We offer practical advice for spouses of first responders, from seeking your own therapy to choosing intensive retreats when weekly sessions aren’t enough. This story is honest about anger and distance, and it’s just as honest about repair, faith rekindled, and a marriage that now feels like a true partnership.

If this resonates, share it with someone who needs proof that healing is possible. Subscribe for more real conversations with first responder families, and leave a review to help others find these resources and stories.

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The story starts with a simple truth: substances feel like solutions when your identity is shaky and your heart is hurting. Jake opens up about finding alcohol in middle school, wearing the “party guy” mask to fit in, and living a double life as an athlete whose status hid deeper fractures. When college stripped away the sports identity, the spiral accelerated. A minor but piercing moment—getting fired from a part-time job—triggered a deeper look. AA offered structure, but six months of white-knuckling sobriety proved that behavior change without heart change doesn’t last.

Everything shifted with a hesitant, unpolished prayer. On his bedroom floor, Jake asked for help, and a quiet peace answered. That moment powered 14 years of sobriety sustained by meetings, service, and a budding spirituality. But without ongoing care—prayer, Scripture, community—the roots dried out. Law enforcement trauma, family pain, and isolation pulled him away from God, and fear held him sober until PTSD cornered him into a false choice: disappear or numb. Weed to sleep became drinks to forget, and daily use returned with the same old promises that never deliver.

Then came August 12. Jake describes a sudden return of God’s presence that he didn’t earn and couldn’t explain. Since then, he’s rebuilding guardrails that protect peace: honest prayer, counseling, a pastor’s steady wisdom, and friends who show up to pray rather than pour. We speak candidly about dopamine and ADHD, why numbing is seductive but destructive, and how surrender outperforms self-will. The throughline is hope: you are not your addiction, and recovery grows where truth, community, and faith intersect with action.

If you’re stuck in the loop, you don’t have to run. Stand. Reach out to us and we’ll walk with you—without shame, with real help, and with a reminder that freedom is possible. If this resonated, subscribe, share it with someone who needs hope, and leave a review to help others find the conversation.

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What if a first responder never had to weather the storm alone? We kick off season four with a live conversation that looks honestly at burnout, isolation, and the stress of the job.

We share how our EQUIP program now reaches recruits across police, fire, EMS, and dispatch, giving new classes the mental, spiritual, and relational tools we wish we had. We expand equine assisted therapy through partners like Godspeed Equine, and we clarify why “volunteers” and “ambassadors” are different: ambassadors are peers with lived experience who answer the call, sit in the chaos, and guide toward help without judgment or department ties. For families, especially spouses carrying secondary trauma, we outline retreats and resources that rebuild trust and communication.

Then we unveil the Refuge; a 100-acre vision near Des Moines with ponds, trails, cottages, and a gear-filled Morton building. Imagine borrowing a camper, kayaks, or side-by-sides and finding a quiet room or a small group ready to listen. Add a barn for gatherings, an education center for trainings and counseling, and a permanent studio to keep stories flowing. It’s not a brochure; it’s a blueprint for healing: clean water time through fishing, running, worship on your commute, painting outside your comfort zone, or riding a horse that helps your nervous system finally exhale.

If this mission resonates—whether you’re a first responder, a spouse, or someone who wants to help—join us. Subscribe, share this episode with a friend who needs hope, and email Dan@10-42project.org to volunteer, become an ambassador, or support the Refuge. Your voice can multiply the message. Your action can change a life.

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Some mornings don’t start with motivation—they start with weight. We open the mic on a day that felt crooked and talk honestly about PTSD flare-ups, addiction recovery, and why a single siren can pull old symptoms back. Instead of hiding the hard parts, we map them: the difference between being tired and being empty, how to choose the right kind of rest, and what it takes to refill when your compassion tank runs dry. Along the way, we share stories from Bible study with recruits, nature walks that quiet the noise, and small choices that turn pain into purpose.

Our conversation keeps circling back to community and faith. Comfort received becomes comfort given; grace on the mountaintop and grace in the valley. You’ll hear how vulnerability builds real connection—online and face-to-face—and why you don’t need perfect days to help someone else. If anything, your scars make you easier to understand. We push back on grind culture, name the lies that grow loud when we isolate, and offer practical tools: box breathing, unplugging, moving at God’s speed, and calling a friend before you retreat.

If you’ve ever wondered whether a setback erases your progress, this is your reminder: healing is messy and still healing. You’re not disqualified by bad days. You belong in a community that will sit with you, pray for you, and cover the work while you rest. Share this with someone who needs a lift, and email Dan at 10-42project.org if you want to connect.

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A room full of uniforms. A visitation line where strangers know stories you’ve never heard. Dakota takes us into the disorienting days after her dad's suicide ,a state trooper, and the long, uneven path that followed.

We walk through the crowded rituals of grief and the quiet that follows. Dakota shares how plans to fight wildfires collapsed under the weight of mental health, and how she found new footing through the discipline of taxidermy, the challenge of falconry, and the living history of World War II reenacting. Along the way, horses become a steady mirror: they test confidence, reward clarity, and invite presence without pretense.

This conversation also reaches every first responder, veteran, and parent wrestling with the lie that distance protects your family. We talk openly about isolation, shame, and the ripple effects on children who still want your time, even when life is messy. Faith runs through the episode as a quiet strength, not a shortcut; an invitation to move from monologue to dialogue, to ask for help, and to model vulnerability that breaks generational patterns.

If you’ve ever wondered how to show up when you feel unworthy or how to heal when you’re angry at the past, this story offers both empathy and a way forward. Listen, share with someone who needs hope, and if this hits home, subscribe and leave a review so others can find it. Your presence matters more than your perfection.

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A quiet ranch, a heavy truth, and a voice brave enough to carry both. Lindy returns to share the story of her husband Jeff—a state trooper, a protector, and a man undone by untreated PTSD—and how a culture of silence can turn pain into catastrophe. We walk through the slow burn of cumulative trauma: first-on-scene moments that never leave, sleep that never restores, and the fear that asking for help will cost a badge. The conversation is raw but guided by purpose: surface the signs, remove the shame, and make room for action.

Lindy recounts the night everything changed with heartbreaking clarity—control, speed, fragmented questions, and then the words “It’s too late for that.”

If you’re a firefighter, officer, EMT, or dispatcher sitting in silence, hear this without varnish: the world is not better without you. Therapy is wisdom, not weakness. Faith can anchor you, but you also need peers and professionals who normalize help. We close with hope—stories like Lindy’s can change culture.

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Bright skies at the ranch set a sharp contrast to the truth we explore with guest Lindy Brown: the weight a first responder carries doesn’t stay at work. Lindy is the widow of an Iowa State Trooper who died by suicide. She shares why she felt called to speak, how a five-year slow burn of trauma changed her husband, and what families see long before reports or discipline ever show up. We talk openly about the nights that never end, the way alcohol masks pain, and the moment a prom night scuffle became a desperate signal that no one knew how to read.

I open up about my own spiral—pain pills, vodka, suicidal plans—and the lie that strength means silence. Together we break down what hypervigilance looks like at home, why small conflicts can spark explosive reactions, and how culture can unintentionally punish honesty. We dig into leadership responses, the hollow comfort of “leave it at the door,” and the reality that counseling offered without trust is counseling refused. Lindy explains how one horrific call—collecting the remains of a man struck by a semi in a storm—etched itself into Jeff’s mind. No academy prepares you for a five-gallon bucket and picking up human body parts.

This conversation isn’t about blame; it’s about building something better. If you’re a first responder, a spouse, or a leader, you’ll hear practical insight, lived experience, and a clear path toward safer, braver conversations. Hit play, share it with someone who needs to hear it, and if this resonates, subscribe and leave a review so more families can find real help.

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The laughter at the ranch fades when Breanna opens up about loving a first responder through an officer-involved shooting, postpartum turbulence, and the quiet exhaustion of being everyone’s caretaker. She didn’t grow up in the culture, but working in a jail gave her a front-row seat to stress. What she didn’t expect was how much of that stress would follow her home, how isolating the spouse role can be, and how quickly compassion can run dry when you never get to decompress.

We walked through the day, and everything changed. Breanna explains why healing isn’t a finish line; it’s a practice built from small habits that hold under pressure. The turning point came at an SOS retreat for significant others and spouses. She arrived ready to fix her husband and left with something harder and more hopeful: the courage to start with herself. That shift—owning needs, setting boundaries, and communicating clearly—reshaped their marriage and gave their kids a steadier home.

If you’re a first responder partner who feels invisible or stuck waiting for your loved one to “go first,” this conversation offers a map. We share practical tools for decompression, simple check-in rituals, and language that cuts through defensiveness. We also talk about building real community outside the department, from local spouse meetups to future retreats in the Midwest, so no one has to navigate trauma alone. Need support or resources?

Breanna is available at Breanna@10-42project.org or 515-418-0350. If this resonated, subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review to help more families find their way back to solid ground.

Reach out to Breanna: Breanna@10-42project.org or 515-418-0350. No one walks alone

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The most honest conversations about culture don’t start with policy; they start with people. Assistant Director Sherry Poole and instructors Brooke McPherson and Naimah Saadiq invite us inside the Iowa Law Enforcement Academy to talk about what it really takes for women to thrive in a profession that’s been male‑dominated for decades. From day‑one nerves to front‑of‑room leadership, they share how visibility, mentorship, and clear boundaries change the learning environment and, ultimately, the way officers show up for their communities.

Sherry traces the distance from 1987, when being a woman at the academy felt isolating, to today’s growing representation. Brooke unpacks the subtle biases that still show up in training and on calls: the “I’ve got this” takeover, the “don’t strain yourself” babying, and how both can stall growth. Naimah explains the power of mindset, class leadership, and role models who make room for the human side of the job: uniforms that need to fit real bodies, instruction that respects anatomy and recovery, and a safe place to ask questions that once felt off‑limits.

We also get candid about motherhood, pregnancy, and policy. What does fair light duty look like when a pregnant sergeant is stripped of her title? How do two‑officer households juggle court dates, overnight shifts, and childcare without burning out? The team offers practical fixes, protect rank on light duty, budget for gear changes without shame, normalize pumping and recovery, build formal mentorship, and a reframe on coping that goes beyond alcohol to fitness, creativity, and community. If you care about officer wellness, de‑escalation, and retention, this is the blueprint for change that actually sticks.

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The patrol car might be quiet, but your brain isn’t—bills, overtime slots, and that sinking feeling when the card declines. We went back inside the Academy to sit with finance officer Jack Heuton and get honest about money, mental health, and the hidden costs of “I’ll just pick up more shifts.” This is a conversation about readiness that starts at home: when your base needs are secure, training lands better, sleep runs deeper, and relationships stop fraying at the edges.

Jack breaks down a practical, three-prong plan that works in real life: understand and manage your credit without letting it manage you, track every dollar so denial can’t hide in the margins, and choose a debt payoff method that fuels behavior change. We unpack why an emergency fund is the single best fight-stopper in a marriage, how dopamine purchases and gambling apps exploit trauma and fatigue, and why most of us try to “out-overtime” our spending—only to miss the moments we say matter most. The stories are raw, the examples familiar: toys that collect dust because you’re never off, arguments that start with a swipe, and the quiet repair work of choosing presence over more pay.

We also push forward: joint accountability instead of “my money vs. your money,” spending thresholds that require a quick check-in, and retirement planning that begins before 40 steals your compounding. Know your pension, your Social Security timeline, and the inflation reality that waits downrange. Even small, automated contributions can buy future calm, fewer late-career overtime hours, and a life with more choice. If faith anchors you, align your budget with what you value most; generosity and stewardship can steady the heart where numbers alone can’t.

Hit play if you’re ready to trade chaos for clarity—one tracked expense, one paid-off balance, one honest conversation at a time. If this helped, follow the show, share it with a teammate, and leave a quick review so more first responders can find tools that stick.

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What does it really take to turn a class of recruits into grounded, ethical, and resilient officers in just 16 weeks? We go inside the Iowa Law Enforcement Academy with Director Brady Carney, Chaplain Al Perez, and Attorney Kristi Traynor to unpack the systems, choices, and human stories that shape a residential academy’s culture. The conversation begins with agile leadership—how the team runs on 16-week cycles, listens to instructors, and pivots quickly. That iterative approach blends national standards with local realities across urban and rural departments, ensuring training stays current and practical without losing the human touch.

From there, we dive into the lived experience of a residential model: the distance from family, the pressure that exposes blind spots, and the bonds that form when people from 18 to 51 years old share long days and shared quarters. Christy’s “superhero cape” metaphor reframes ethics as daily practice—tightening the knot through clear boundaries, sound decision-making, and accountability that preserves public trust. We address tough truths head-on: alcohol’s easy grip in first responder culture, the slow erosion that begins with “one more drink,” and the line between support and consequence. Al highlights grief and compartmentalization—how recruits learn to focus under stress while still finding space to heal, with chaplaincy and peer support as anchors.

We also explore practical scaffolding that keeps recruits connected and grounded: earned nights out to recharge with family, facility access and wellness resources, evening windows for calls, and social updates that bring loved ones into the journey. Brady wrestles openly with whether locals should go home nightly and why the benefits of a residential cohort—networking, realism, flexibility for night training—still weigh heavily. Not everyone will finish, and that’s okay. Sometimes choosing out is a courageous win for the person and the profession. For those who stay, the academy’s promise is high standards, honest feedback, and a community that invests in both skill and character. Subscribe, share this conversation with someone starting the academy path, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway—we’d love to hear what surprised you most.

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Nestled in the tranquility of Godspeed Ranch, this episode unveils the raw, unfiltered journey of healing among first responders. Three guests—each at different stages of their recovery—share how specialized trauma retreats transformed their lives when traditional therapy couldn't reach their deepest wounds.

The conversation centers around the West Coast Post Trauma Retreat (WCPR), a unique program designed specifically for first responders. What makes this approach revolutionary? Cultural competence. As Connor explains, "It's about the only place that you can go and never have to explain the terminology you're using." The clinicians have either served in law enforcement themselves or have close family connections to the profession, creating an environment where participants feel truly understood.

All three guests describe a powerful turning point—Wednesday, the third day of the retreat—when trust finally blossoms. Gentry, a medically retired state trooper, shares how she arrived completely closed off: "By Sunday, there's not a single person there that I would have trusted with any thought that I had. By the end of the week, every single person in that room would have taken a bullet for me." This transformation doesn't come easily. The days are long, running from early morning until late evening, filled with intense emotional work that often brings participants face-to-face with their deepest fears.

Perhaps most revealing is the universal experience of "imposter syndrome" among first responders seeking help. Each guest admits to feeling unworthy—believing they weren't "broken enough," hadn't served long enough, or that others deserved help more. As Brianna, who attended the program for spouses, confesses: "I went out there because I was going to come back with the tools to fix my husband. I didn't realize that some of my childhood is why I had these abandonment issues."

Whether you're a first responder struggling with trauma or someone who loves one, this episode offers a beacon of hope. The healing journey isn't easy, but as these stories demonstrate, finding the right community can make all the difference. Ready to take the first step? Visit our website to learn about our ambassadorship program, where those who've walked this path help guide others toward healing.

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What happens when the people we count on to save us need saving themselves? In this raw and powerful conversation, former Marine and police officer Connor Wainscott reveals the hidden battles fought by many first responders – battles that don't end when the uniform comes off.

From experiencing childhood sexual abuse at age eight to confronting death regularly as a police officer, Connor's story is one of accumulating trauma that nearly cost him everything. After discovering a murder victim during field training and later being involved in a shooting that lasted just four seconds but changed his life forever, he found himself spiraling into increasingly risky behavior on duty while battling suicidal thoughts at home.

"I was in three or four felony stops a week," Connor reveals, describing his post-shooting mindset. "I didn't really have the ability to refrain from going after it. It was like I've already been here, I've proven myself, and I don't want someone else to have to go through what I'm dealing with."

The conversation explores the unique challenges first responders face: the stigma around mental health treatment, the difficulty separating identity from the badge, and the instinct to protect loved ones from their darkest experiences – sometimes at the cost of true connection. Connor speaks honestly about marriage during crisis, parenting while struggling, and how his faith ultimately became his foundation for healing.

Most powerfully, we witness how trauma can transform into purpose. Now volunteering at the same retreat that helped save his life, Connor walks alongside other first responders battling similar demons. "I've been able to share the gospel more at these retreats than I ever got the opportunity on a call for service," he shares. "That's where it sucks to have had to go through what I did to get to that point, but I wouldn't give it up for anything."

If you or someone you know works in emergency services, this conversation might just save a life. Because as Connor's journey proves, even our darkest experiences can become the light that guides others home.

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Ketamine therapy is emerging as a groundbreaking solution for first responders battling PTSD, depression, and anxiety – and who better to guide us through this innovative treatment than someone who truly understands the first responder experience?

In this enlightening conversation, we're joined by Amanda Sieve, a physician assistant specializing in ketamine therapy who brings a unique perspective as a fourth-generation first responder herself. Having served ten years on a volunteer fire department while working in emergency medicine, Amanda bridges the worlds of first responder culture and cutting-edge mental health treatment.

Amanda breaks down how ketamine works differently than traditional medications by enhancing memory formation rather than simply inhibiting hormones. She describes it as creating "a blanket of snow" over memories, allowing patients to form new, positive neural pathways without having to verbalize their trauma – a particular benefit for first responders who often struggle to articulate painful experiences.

The conversation takes a powerful turn when Jake, a former police officer, shares his personal journey. Despite trying numerous treatments including therapy, medication, EMDR, and somatic processing, Jake remained severely depressed and suicidal until finding relief through ketamine therapy. His candid testimony offers hope to others who may feel they've exhausted all options.

We explore practical aspects too – what to expect during treatment sessions, insurance coverage considerations, and the importance of creating a safe environment where first responders can let their guard down. Amanda's forthcoming clinic in West Des Moines (opening October 1st) will offer flexible scheduling specifically designed around first responder needs.

Whether you're personally struggling with PTSD or supporting someone who is, this episode removes the mystery around ketamine therapy and presents it as what it truly is: not a way to "get high," but a legitimate medical treatment offering new hope for those who serve our communities. Reach out to Amanda at 515-822-6384 to learn more about this promising path to healing.

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What if addiction isn't who you are, but merely what's distracting you from your true purpose? In this transformative conversation, Mark Cain shares his powerful journey from the depths of alcoholism—including a life-threatening withdrawal seizure—to founding Spiritual Sobriety and authoring "Letters from Hope: Freedom from Addiction."

Mark's approach shatters traditional recovery paradigms by rejecting permanent labels like "alcoholic" that keep people trapped in shame-based identities. Instead, he offers a healing pathway centered on reclaiming our true identity as children of God. "We don't need to be fixed, we need to be found," Mark explains, capturing the essence of his recovery philosophy.

The conversation reveals how Mark's innovative book uses letters to personify different aspects of addiction, allowing readers to externalize their internal battles. Particularly eye-opening is the letter from "Bottling Booze," where alcohol itself confesses its sinister intentions: "I make you believe you need me...even as I lead you towards a tragic end." This format creates powerful moments of recognition for those struggling with substance use.

Mark's five-module "Journey to Freedom" program begins with a deceptively simple question: "Why do you want to be sober?" Through his "seven whys" technique, participants discover their true motivation—their superpower against relapse. For Mark, this was realizing he didn't want his young daughter to grow up fatherless as he had. The program continues through mindset reframing, thought navigation, intentional living, and harnessing prayer's power.

Whether you're personally struggling with addiction or supporting someone who is, this conversation offers a fresh perspective and practical tools for lasting freedom. As Mark reminds us, "The enemy will use whatever he can to distract you from your purpose,"—but through spiritual reconnection, we can reclaim the life we were created to live.

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The mental health landscape for first responders reveals a stark coastal-interior divide. While California boasts specialized treatment facilities and innovative approaches, Midwest officers often travel cross-country seeking the same level of care. This reality frames our candid conversation with law enforcement professionals from both regions who share their personal healing journeys.

EMDR therapy emerges as a powerful tool in the first responder mental health toolkit. Our California-based guest describes her initial skepticism—"I'm going to hold these little pad things and they're going to vibrate?"—before experiencing profound breakthrough moments processing her field training officer's suicide and other career traumas. Through approximately 10-12 sessions, she found herself able to drive past triggering locations without the overwhelming emotional response that once controlled her.

Perhaps most valuable is the honest discussion about recovery's non-linear nature. "When you have a fall, it feels like you fall all the way to the bottom," one participant shares, before explaining how each setback in recovery actually comes from a higher starting point than the last. This perspective shift offers hope to those feeling discouraged by occasional backslides in their healing journey.

The conversation tackles the uncomfortable yet crucial topic of checking on fellow officers. Despite the professional culture of stoicism, our guests emphasize that simply showing up without perfect words makes all the difference. "People don't need you to show up with all the answers... they just need somebody who understands and is willing to listen."

For first responders contemplating reaching out for help, the message couldn't be clearer: Do it now. As one participant puts it, "If you already feel like you're at the bottom, therapy can either help you or keep you the same. So why not try?" Whether through peer support programs, professional therapy, or connecting with colleagues who understand, taking that first step opens the door to healing that ripples through every aspect of life.

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The silent epidemic ravaging our first responder community takes center stage in this raw, unfiltered conversation with Jess, an 18-year law enforcement veteran from California. Her story unfolds against a backdrop of unimaginable loss – five officer suicides in her jurisdiction within a devastatingly short timeframe, including colleagues she worked with daily. Despite California's relative wealth of resources for first responder mental health, the deadly stigma surrounding help-seeking remains deeply entrenched.

What makes this conversation uniquely powerful is Jess's perspective as a female officer navigating the male-dominated world of law enforcement. She articulates the distinct challenges women face in the profession while offering crucial insights into how gender influences trauma processing. As both she and her husband serve in law enforcement while raising their children, Jess reveals how parenthood fundamentally transformed her emotional responses to traumatic calls involving kids – creating a vulnerability that many officers struggle to acknowledge.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn when exploring the physical manifestations of trauma. Jess describes feeling distinct sensations in her chest when triggered, while fellow guest Jake identifies a knot in his stomach as his body's early warning system. These somatic responses represent critical early intervention opportunities that many first responders miss until they're already in crisis. Their candid sharing offers listeners practical tools for recognizing their own trauma responses before they become overwhelming.

Perhaps most hopeful is Jess's observation about the newest generation of officers coming through the academy where she teaches. Unlike their predecessors, these recruits demonstrate a refreshing willingness to discuss mental health concerns openly – potentially transforming department cultures from within as they advance in their careers.

Whether you're a first responder, love someone who is, or simply care about the well-being of those who protect our communities, this conversation offers rare insight into the true cost of service and the urgent changes needed to support those who sacrifice so much. Listen, share, and join the 10-42 Project's mission to break the stigma around first responder mental health before we lose another hero to suicide.

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The journey from trauma to healing isn't linear, especially for those who've served in uniform. In this deeply personal conversation, former law enforcement officer Jake reveals his harrowing battle with PTSD and the innovative path that led to his recovery.

After years of accumulated trauma in policing, Jake found himself trapped in a nightmare of panic attacks, sensory overload, and suicidal thoughts. Despite outward success in his new real estate career, he was silently crumbling behind closed doors—unable to enjoy family moments, startled by everyday sounds, and living in constant fear of losing control. His raw description of holding a gun to his head multiple times reveals the desperate reality many first responders face in silence.

Jake's breakthrough came through an unexpected source: ketamine-assisted therapy. With remarkable candor, he describes how this treatment quieted his hyperactive nervous system, allowing him to process traumatic memories without triggering panic. "I don't care that they're being loud," he recalls thinking about his children after treatment—a simple yet profound shift that signaled hope. The neuroplasticity promoted by ketamine helped rewire trauma responses that had seemed permanently hardwired into his brain.

Now working as a trauma recovery coach, Jake outlines his four-phase approach to healing: building community support, reconnecting with the body, removing external blockages, and creating sustainable recovery plans. His Guardian Rise online community offers free support to first responders walking similar paths. Jake's transformation from suicidal to supportive demonstrates that even the darkest trauma can become purposeful when channeled into helping others.

Ready to break free from trauma's grip? Connect with Jake through his link tree at linktr.ee/jakebelay or join his online community. Remember, as Jake emphasizes, "If you could have done it by now, you would have already done it." Sometimes the bravest act is reaching out for help.

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What happens when the weight of the badge becomes too much to bear? Jake Belay's story captures the harrowing journey from decorated officer to PTSD survivor, revealing the often-hidden psychological toll of law enforcement service.

Jake never imagined himself becoming a police officer. Growing up in Decorah, Iowa, his path to law enforcement was unexpected – from studying psychology to working with troubled youth, he eventually found himself drawn to police work after witnessing an officer's compassionate handling of a juvenile dispute. Within just three years of joining the Iowa City Police Department, Jake was named Officer of the Year, became a specialized Drug Recognition Expert, and achieved his dream position on the street crimes unit.

Then 2020 happened. As riots erupted following George Floyd's death, Jake found himself targeted by online threats, with his family's safety jeopardized. The city council members who once praised his work now advocated for defunding the department. The psychological impact was devastating, though Jake wouldn't recognize his PTSD symptoms until much later.

"I went from Officer of the Year to being told my attitude was terrible," Jake reveals, highlighting how mental health struggles in first responders are often misinterpreted as character flaws. Even after changing departments, the internal battles continued until he eventually left law enforcement altogether in 2023.

Jake's powerful testimony shows how trauma can accumulate silently, with night terrors and flashbacks normalized as "just part of the job." Now working as a trauma recovery coach, he's transforming his painful experiences into purpose by helping other first responders recognize and address their own struggles before reaching crisis.

The 10-42 Project continues this vital work, having helped 22 first responders in suicidal crisis last year alone. Are you a first responder struggling with similar issues, or do you know someone who is? Visit 1042project.org to learn how you can get support or become an ambassador helping others in your department.

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Dan and Neil discuss how small, consistent decisions propel dreams forward and reveal strategies for first responders to discover purpose beyond their service careers.

• Finding new purpose after law enforcement involves utilizing skills built during your first responder career
• God's calling often feels impossibly big because it's meant to be something you can't accomplish without Him
• When facing new challenges, break them down into "micro actions" small enough to slip past mental resistance
• We have approximately 60,000 thoughts daily—80% negative and 95% repetitive—requiring intentional awareness to change
• The Japanese technique "pointing and calling" helps break autopilot thinking and increases present moment awareness
• Like planes that are off-course 90% of the time yet reach their destination, success requires constant course correction
• Even elite performers like Tiger Woods have coaches—finding someone a few steps ahead of you provides invaluable guidance

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When first responders hang up their badges, many face a devastating identity crisis that can lead to depression, addiction, and even suicidal thoughts. But what if the uniform was never your true identity in the first place?

In this powerful conversation, former NYPD officer and FDNY firefighter Neil shares his personal journey through the wilderness of post-service life and the breakthrough realization that transformed everything: "My true identity wasn't a cop or fireman. My core identity was I'm a person that helps other people."

Neil reveals how this shift in perspective opened doors to new purpose and meaning, allowing him to continue his mission of service through coaching other first responders. With raw honesty, he discusses the psychological barriers that keep retired heroes stuck in the past and offers practical strategies to break through resistance using "micro actions" so small your subconscious can't object.

You'll discover why first responders possess unique advantages in civilian careers, how skills developed in emergency response transfer directly to entrepreneurship and other fields, and why the mindset of being a "problem solver" creates opportunities in any context. Neil shares real-world examples of how tiny, consistent habits create massive life changes—from the client who cleaned his hoarded office one folder at a time to another who began his fitness journey simply by driving to the gym parking lot without getting out.

For active and retired first responders struggling with purpose, this episode offers a lifeline of hope. For their families and friends, it provides insight into the unique challenges of transition and how to support loved ones through it. The conversation concludes with powerful analogies about maintaining mental health by intentionally filling your life with positivity to counteract the inevitable darkness first responders encounter.

Whether you're a first responder planning your next chapter, already in transition, or supporting someone who is, this conversation will change how you think about identity, purpose, and the possibilities that exist beyond the badge.

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The path to healing often begins when we realize we're not alone in our struggles. In this powerful conversation with Mike and Pam, we explore the life-changing impact of trauma retreats specifically designed for first responders at the Haymarket Center in Chicago.

What makes these retreats transformative isn't just the professional support—it's the moment when a room full of hurting people recognize their shared experiences. As Pam beautifully explains, "Everybody who shows up tells their monster... and listening to all these hurt people, just admiring what they do." That vulnerable sharing creates immediate bonds that transcend backgrounds and specific traumas.

The retreat offers a comprehensive approach to healing: comfortable accommodations at the Embassy Suites, nutritious meals shared as a community, and a carefully structured program that includes both large group learning and intimate small group discussions. Participants learn about how trauma affects the body and mind while experiencing specialized treatments like EMDR therapy to disconnect emotions from traumatic memories.

Most remarkably, this potentially life-saving resource is completely free for first responders. Funded entirely through grants and staffed by dedicated volunteers, the Haymarket Center removes the financial barriers that often prevent people from seeking help. With multiple retreats scheduled throughout the year and groups kept intentionally small (15-18 people), the experience feels personal rather than institutional.

Mike and Pam's story exemplifies the retreat's ripple effect—after finding healing themselves, they now volunteer to support others beginning their journey. Their message is clear and compelling: don't minimize your pain, don't compare your trauma to others, and don't punish yourself for struggling. As Mike says, "Breaking that cycle through maybe just trying something new and different can give you the tools you need to get better."

Ready to take that first step toward healing? Reach out to learn more about upcoming retreats or connect with Mike and Pam directly. Healing happens in community—you don't have to walk this path alone.

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What happens when the people we count on to save us are themselves drowning in trauma? Mike and Pam Morrison offer a lifeline through their powerful story of survival, healing, and redemption.

After 28 years in law enforcement, Mike Morrison knows the weight of trauma first-hand. From his early days as a dispatcher and jail officer to his later roles as detective, sergeant, and lieutenant, each traumatic experience slowly transformed him. His wife Pam brings an equally profound perspective as a former RN, death investigator, and forensic autopsy technician who served with DMORT at mass fatality incidents like the devastating Joplin tornado.

Their raw honesty about career stress shatters the silence that often surrounds first responder mental health. "The danger is secrecy and the isolation," Mike explains, describing how the culture of silence becomes "almost cultish" in how it traps those suffering. Meanwhile, Pam reveals how trauma can build quietly until it suddenly emerges: "Cumulative trauma that you don't understand till later affected me."

What makes their story exceptional isn't just their struggles but their journey to healing. From EMDR therapy that helped Pam process traumatic death notifications to their therapy dog Luna, who instinctively identifies officers in crisis at trauma retreats, the Morrisons offer practical paths forward. Their formula for survival—"faith, family, and friends, in that order"—has sustained their 40-year marriage despite challenges that statistically end many first responder relationships.

You can learn about the Haymarket Center's (Intensive Supportive Retreat for First Responders & Essential Emergency Personnel). Mike and Pam have attended the program and fell in love with it so much that they now volunteer their time, talent, and treasure to walk along with other first responders going through the program. Information for the program is linked. https://haymarketcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/1-2025-Haymarket-Retreat-Flyer.pdf

For those currently struggling, their message resonates with urgency and hope: healing is possible, but it requires reaching out. As Mike powerfully states, "One of the biggest lies is that nobody can help you." If you're a first responder or love someone who is, this conversation might be the permission you need to finally seek the help that could save a life, a career, or a family.

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What happens when those who protect our communities struggle to safeguard their own marriages? Aaron Groves, retired Jasper County deputy and director of Impact Iowa's Heroes, returns to the Shared Voices podcast to tackle the unique challenges facing first responder marriages and offer practical paths to restoration.

"Most people go into a first responder marriage assuming it's going to be like any other normal marriage, and that couldn't be further from the truth," Groves shares from personal experience. The conversation dives deep into how the professional requirement to suppress emotions during crisis situations creates unintended consequences at home. "You really can't select which emotions you shut down and which ones you turn back on," he explains, revealing how this impacts not just processing trauma, but experiencing joy and love with family.

The heart of many marital struggles lies in communication breakdowns and unresolved conflict. Groves details how understanding different conflict styles—his wife processes verbally while he tends toward avoidance—transformed their relationship. "Until you close that loop of conflict, you won't be able to connect with each other emotionally, physically, or spiritually," he notes, offering insight into how couples can break destructive patterns and build healthier communication.

Perhaps most powerful is the discussion around vulnerability. Many first responders, particularly men, view asking for help as a weakness rather than a strength. Daniel challenges this mindset: "The uncomfortableness of not doing stuff like this is a heck of a lot worse... let that uncomfortableness be to something that leads to life and not to divorce." Through Impact Iowa's Heroes marriage events, couples find not just tools but community with others who understand their unique lifestyle challenges.

Whether your marriage is in crisis or you simply want to strengthen your connection, this conversation offers hope and practical steps forward. Register for upcoming Impact Iowa's Heroes marriage events at impactiowasheroes.org and discover how intentional investment in your relationship can transform "just roommates" into genuine partners for life.

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Kicking off season 3! In this episode Daniel and Christina recap who 10-42 Project is and the heart of the mission for any new listeners. They share a few updates, ways to connect for upcoming events, and discuss the connection with the Iowa Law Enforcement Academy.

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Hear our organization's heart and mission as we start our fourth year walking alongside our first responders and their families making sure nobody walks alone.

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Join Us in Supporting Our Local Heroes!

Dear Friends,

We are excited to share some important updates about the 10-42 Project and discuss how you can make a meaningful impact in our community. In our latest episode, Daniel and Christina explore the future of our organization and highlight the critical needs of our local first responders.

Our Mission: To serve as a confidential ally to every current and former first responder, and their families, walking with them through the barriers that prevent access to support and mental health resources.

Our Vision: For every first responder to be appropriately equipped with strategies, tools, and resources to support their mental health and well-being throughout and after their career.

Why Get Involved?

  • Purpose and Meaning: Be part of a cause that truly matters.
  • Community Impact: Help improve the lives of those who dedicate their lives to keeping us safe.
  • Personal Fulfillment: Experience the joy of making a difference in your local community.

How You Can Help:

  1. Volunteer Your Time: Use your God-given time and talents to directly impact our Iowa heroes.
  2. Donate: Your contributions, big or small, go a long way in providing the necessary resources and support. We cannot exist without your support.
  3. Spread the Word: Help us raise awareness by sharing our mission with your friends, family, and social networks.

We believe in the power of community and the difference we can make together. Are you ready to be part of something bigger than yourself? Join us in this vital mission to support our local heroes.

For more information or to get involved, please visit our website or contact us directly. Your support is invaluable, and we appreciate every effort to help us achieve our goals.

Thank you for considering joining us in this meaningful journey.

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Shared Voices Podcast Season 2 Episode 12 Iron Sharpens Iron so a friend sharpens a friend.

Daniel, Christina, and Sam discuss the power of healing with others and the need for community. 10-42 Project has a foundation of growing together to help others grow and heal in an environment without shame, guilt, or judgment. Come as you are!

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The weight of the badge is heavy, not just for the first responder carrying it, but for the families who stand beside them. This podcast travels into the unique challenges faced by first responders, their partners, and their loved ones.

We'll explore the complexities of:

  • Communicating Trauma: Navigating difficult experiences first responders face on the job.
  • Chronic Pain and Caregiving: Understanding the impact of chronic pain on both the injured first responder and the partner who becomes a caregiver.
  • Emotional Resilience: Strategies for managing the emotional toll of a first responder's career.

But you're not alone. Real Connections offers a lifeline for first responders and their families. We'll discuss:

  • Powerful Interventions: Learn about Real Connections’ effective therapy options, including their impactful 4-hour and all-day intensives.
  • Cotherapy Advantage: Discover the benefits of having two therapists working with you as a couple or family.
  • Honoring Your Vows: Just like the commitment you make to your team, a marriage vow is a promise worth fighting for. We'll explore strategies for strengthening your relationship and keeping that promise alive.
  • Unforgettable Retreat: Get ready for a transformative experience! We'll share details about an upcoming incredible couples retreat and intensive happening this September in Galena, Illinois as well as potential retreats built just for you, the first responder, and your partner.

Join us as we explore the power of connection in healing and strengthening the lives of our bravest heroes and their loved ones.

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Building Resilience: Vulnerability, Teamwork, Practice & CoTherapy for First Responders

Are you a first responder seeking to strengthen your mental and relational well-being and build a more supportive environment all around? Do you distrust everyone around you?

This podcast dives into the power of vulnerability, teamwork, practice, and CoTherapy with Daniel Defenbaugh the founder of 10-42 Project, and couples and family counselors and coaches Monique and Rick Elgersma, a married couple who have leveraged CoTherapy and relationships to navigate the challenges of first responders and their families.

Together, they'll explore:

The importance of practicing relationships, resilience, vulnerability, and emotional intelligence in the face of trauma.
Strategies for fostering open communication and building trust within yourself, your spouse, family, and your team.
An introduction to CoTherapy: how couples in first responder professions can support each other's relational and mental health.

Join us for an insightful conversation that will equip you with the tools and knowledge to build resilience, strengthen your relationships, and create a healthier, stronger, supportive, and more relational first responder community.

Rick and Monique run a CoTherapy practice called Real Connections. They serve the personal and relational needs of the first responder community, and build the relational health of their greater community, and throughout the country.

https://www.realconnectionscounseling.com/

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Co-Therapy Couples Counseling With Rick and Monique Elgersma Part 1. Daniel sits down with Rick and Monique, the owners of Real Connections Counseling in Urbandale, Iowa. They specialize in co-therapy couples counseling, one of the most successful methods being used today. Rick and Monique have a heart and a history of working with the military and first responders and have joined the front lines to help our heroes here in Iowa.

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We dive in on trauma in the heartland and how it can be overlooked. We also touched on talking with your spouse or loved ones. How much do we tell?

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Cory, Sam, and Daniel dive into Sam’s journey as an Iowa firefighter/paramedic and his road to finding healing and love for himself.

You are not alone! Come join our mission at the 10-42 Project.
WWW.10-42Project.org
Daniel cell 515-350-6274

HOPE LIVES HERE!

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You won't want to miss this power conversion with Iowa firefighter Cory Deaton. Join Cory, Sam Hofer, and Daniel as they bring hope to the suffering. You are not alone! Come join our mission at the 10-42 Project.
WWW.10-42Project.org
Daniel cell 515-350-6274

HOPE LIVES HERE!

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Join Daniel and Christina as they share some updates from a recent school shooting incident, discuss the value of community, and taking the step to go from your internal monologue to external dialogue with another trusted person. We want first responders to know that there is life after after trauma and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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Join this powerful conversation with Doug Hanes as we talk about how everyone's journey to healing can look different and that is okay. Part 2

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Daniel sits down with Doug Hanes, the director of the new film, Residual. Doug talks about his 2-year journey of recording over 80 interviews around the country to bring this powerful documentary to life. Thank you for joining us!

Film Website: https://residualfilm.com/
Film on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdFstQSR_A4&t=795s

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In this episode, Daniel and Christina talk about the newly released documentary, RESIDUAL, and what it offers to the first responder community and the rest of the public. Afterward, they discuss the 10-42 Project, the heart-felt mission, and the best way to reach out! We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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In this episode, Daniel and Christina discuss the weight of struggle and how it can make us feel shameful and set back. However, the truth is our struggles don't rob us of the growth we've already achieved and you don't have to navigate things alone. We want first responders and their families to know there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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firstresponders #mentalhealth

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In this episode, Daniel sits down with Rob McIntire, a former sheriff's deputy and now CEO & Founder of Freedom To Live Counseling. Rob shares his story of being abducted and sexually abused as a child and how the trauma has affected his life. Daniel and Rob talk about how some first responders use sex as a coping mechanism and how this leads to a life of destruction. Learn how to get freed from or protect yourself from using sex as a tool. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us! 

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In this episode Daniel and Christina continue the conversation with Chris Hoyer, author of When That Day Comes: Training for the Fight, and retired Phoenix, AZ police officer. Chris walks us through the details of his fourth shooting event and the impact it had on him. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

Link to Chris' book When That Day Comes: Training for the Fight:
https://www.amazon.com/When-That-Day-...

Chris' email address for those who would like to reach out:
chrishoyer46@gmail.com

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In this episode Daniel and Christina continue the conversation with Chris Hoyer, author of When That Day Comes: Training for the Fight, and retired Phoenix, AZ police officer. Chris walks us through the details of his third shooting event, the processes that follow events like that, and how he felt about it. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

Link to Chris' book When That Day Comes: Training for the Fight:
https://www.amazon.com/When-That-Day-Comes-Training/dp/0578652609

Chris' email address for those who would like to reach out:
chrishoyer46@gmail.com

10-42 Project website: www.10-42project.org

firstresponder #mentalhealth

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In this episode Daniel and Christina speak with Chris Hoyer, author of When That Day Comes: Training for the Fight, and retired Phoenix, AZ police officer. Chris shares the story of his childhood, how he came to be a police officer, and some of the shooting events that occurred fairly early in his career. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

Link to Chris' book When That Day Comes: Training for the Fight:

https://www.amazon.com/When-That-Day-Comes-Training/dp/0578652609

Chris' email address for those who would like to reach out:

chrishoyer46@gmail.com

10-42 Project website: www.10-42project.org

firstresponder #mentalhealth

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In this episode, Daniel and Christina speak with 10-42 Project chaplain and former police officer, John Jannenga. In addition, John is the founder of HeART Studio, a ministry that creates a space for people to encounter God through art. The group discusses God, His love, and how to approach having a relationship with Him. Daniel's faith in God has brought him a great deal of healing and John shares how other first responders can apply these truths to their own lives. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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In this episode, Daniel and Christina speak with 10-42 Project chaplain and former police officer, John Jannenga. In addition, John is the founder of HeART Studio, a ministry that creates a space for people to encounter God through art. The group discusses God, His love, and how to approach having a relationship with Him. Daniel's faith in God has brought him a great deal of healing and John shares how other first responders can apply these truths to their own lives. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

10-42 Project website: www.10-42project.org

firstresponder #mentalhealth

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In this episode, Daniel and Christina continue their conversation with Keith Hanks, a national speaker, first responder mental health advocate, author, and former firefighter/EMT. They dive into the topic of identity and how it's easily entwined with a first responder's career. The truth is, you are always more than your career. Daniel, Christina, and Keith also discuss the importance of prioritizing mental health, especially for first responders. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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firstresponder #mentalhealth

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In this episode, Daniel and Christina speak with Keith Hanks, a national speaker, first responder mental health advocate, author, and former firefighter/EMT. Keith shares his story and struggles with PTSD and how he has applied purpose to his past and pain by advocating for first responders and raising awareness to promote change. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

10-42 Project website: www.10-42project.org

firstresponder #mentalhealth

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In this episode, Daniel and Christina talk about how 10-42 Project comes alongside the first responders that reach out. The goal is to meet you where you are and make sure every first responder knows that they aren't alone! We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

10-42 Project website: www.10-42project.org

firstresponder #mentalhealth

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In this episode, Daniel and Christina talk about some changes in Daniel's life since moving forward in healing and tending to his mental health. At one point, Daniel was in a very low place and didn't have hope for a good future. Now, Daniel is able to enjoy his friends and family, serve others, and know he has a good life to enjoy. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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Part 6 of Daniel's story. In this episode, Daniel and Christina talk about the events that lead to Daniel learning his purpose. By the grace of God, the pain and struggles were not in vain and those experiences went on to fuel the passion and compassion behind 10-42 Project. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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firstresponder #mentalhealth

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Description: Part 5 of Daniel's story. In this episode, Daniel shares his experiences after leaving what he thought was going to be his one and only career. He went through unfulfilling jobs, inconsistent housing, and unstable relationships in search of a purpose for his life. Christina and Daniel discuss the way he started to talk about the things he was experiencing and how that started a positive shift in Daniel's life. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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Part 4 of Daniel's story. In this episode, Daniel shares the life events he went through as he struggled with his PTSD symptoms in addition to depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, alcoholism, and a pain pill addiction. All this to say, we discuss the dark before the light. Daniel's story has redemption and a message of hope. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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Part 3 of Daniel's story. This episode covers his downward spiral into isolation, addiction, and depression. At that point, he is planning to end it all and struggles to have hope for the future. We want first responders to know that there is life after hopelessness and there is no shame or guilt here. Thank you for joining us!

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We dive into part 2 of Daniel's story. You will hear about how cumulative PTSD took a toll on Daniel, and his life, and led to self-destruction. We also share a couple good lessons learned through this part of his story. Thank you for joining us!

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In Episode #1, we share who 10-42 Project is and what the organization does. Daniel and Christina, the co-founders, talk about their passion for serving first responders and their family members and dive into the beginning of Daniel's journey with PTSD (PTS).

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