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Chelsea and Layton
Join Chelsea and Layton as they discuss pornography’s hard truths through the lens of stories, science, and Scripture. Liberator Podcast was created to remove the barriers of shame and embarrassment that stifle conversations and community around the effects of pornography. We look forward to earning your trust.
Artificial intelligence is advancing quickly, and with that advancement comes new challenges for families—especially when it comes to protecting children online.
Chelsea and Layton discuss the rise of deep fake technology, specifically the growing use of AI "nudification" tools that can create fake images and videos of real people without their consent. While this technology may feel like a brand-new threat, the heart of the issue is much older: the distortion of truth.
This episode is not meant to create panic—it is meant to equip families. God is not a God of confusion or fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind. We can acknowledge the reality of these challenges while trusting that God remains sovereign.
Into The Light Ministries: Tech Safe
Homeland Security: KNOW2PROTECT
What happens when we stop viewing Jesus only as Savior—and begin living like He is truly our King?
In this episode, Layton and Chelsea explore how the kingship of Christ changes the way we approach pornography, sexual integrity, and obedience. While God's mercy and grace are foundational to the Christian life, they are never meant to diminish His holiness, justice, or authority.
Is it unrealistic to expect your significant other to be free from pornography? What if they have a past with it? What if they're currently struggling?
Layton and Chelsea discuss one of the most nuanced questions they've received. Drawing from their own story, biblical principles, and years of walking alongside others, they explore the difference between a past struggle and ongoing unrepentant behavior, the role of discernment in dating, and why the Holy Spirit—not fear or shame—is our greatest guide in making relationship decisions.
Episode 72: Dating and The Porn Conversation
Chelsea and Layton explore a powerful biblical pattern found throughout 1 and 2 Kings: the "high places." While many of Judah's righteous kings removed idols, false prophets, and pagan temples, most failed to tear down the high places—small, hidden locations of compromise that remained scattered throughout the land.
What can these ancient high places teach us about pornography recovery, sexual temptation, and spiritual freedom today?
Why is our first inclination as women to tear each other down?
Chelsea and Layton explore how insecurity, comparison, and pornography intersect in the lives of many women. Chelsea shares how betrayal trauma intensified existing insecurities and led her to view other women as a threat rather than fellow image-bearers of God. Together, they unpack the cultural pressures surrounding beauty, sexuality, and worth, discussing how pornography and modern culture often reinforce the idea that a woman's value is tied to her appearance. They also offer practical and biblical tools that helped Chelsea find freedom from comparison and begin elevating other women instead of competing with them.
When you're hiking a difficult trail, there's one question almost everyone asks:
"How much further?"
In this episode of Liberator, Chelsea shares the story of tackling one of the most challenging hikes she's ever completed in Yosemite National Park. Along the way, she noticed a familiar question being passed between hikers—and realized how closely it mirrors the journey toward freedom from pornography, betrayal trauma, and addiction recovery.
Whether you're just starting your healing journey or you've been climbing for a while, this conversation explores what it means to keep moving forward when the path feels steep, uncertain, and exhausting.
Can using accountability software actually become unhealthy?
In this episode of Liberator, Chelsea and Layton have an honest conversation about monitoring apps — the good, the necessary, and the potential hazards of using them without discernment.
Chelsea shares how, in the early stages of betrayal trauma recovery, checking monitoring reports became an obsession fueled by fear, anger, and a desperate need for safety. Together, they unpack the difference between using accountability tools wisely and depending on them as our source of identity and security.
We're revisiting one of our favorite episodes this week on Liberator.
Our friend Scott Kedersha joins us to discuss the challenges and impact of pornography in relationships. Scott is the National Director of Merge and Foundation Groups at Watermark Community Church. He shares his personal journey and how he became passionate about helping couples build strong marriages. Scott provides insights on how to address pornography addiction, the dangers of watching pornography together, and the importance of finding hope in difficult situations. He emphasizes the need for open conversations about pornography and the role of faith in strengthening marriages. Scott also introduces his books and podcast, which provide practical guidance and encouragement for couples. The conversation explores the importance of pursuing Jesus and practicing humility in marriage. Scott's Books: Ready or Knot? 12 Conversations Every Couple Needs to Have before Marriage by Scott Kedersha
The Ready or Knot Prayer Guide: 100 Prayers for Dating and Engaged Couples by Scott Kadersha
Gordon Brooks Jr. joins the show! Gordon is the author of the recently released book, Sexpectations. This episode delves into the complexities of navigating expectations, fostering vulnerability, and building spiritual connections. Gordon shares insights from his book into how unpacking hidden emotional baggage and engaging in honest communication can lead to transformative growth in relationships. By embracing faith and understanding God's design for marriage, couples can overcome challenges and deepen their connection, turning struggles into opportunities for grace and intimacy.
SEXpectations-God's Design Your Delight by Gordon Brooks Jr.
Chelsea and Layton are joined by Caitlin McCaffrey, the Director of Women's Ministry at Harvest USA. They explore the mission of Harvest USA, God's heart towards those struggling with betrayal and sexual sin, and the significant need for support among women facing these challenges. Caitlin shares insights on betrayal trauma, the importance of acknowledging pain, and the role of church leaders in providing care. The discussion also delves into the science of pornography addiction, neuroplasticity, and the hope found in Christ for healing and restoration.
What does godly loyalty look like in action? And how does it compare to the loyalty of this world? Chelsea and Layton explore the biblical stories of Joab and Nathan to draw lessons on integrity, accountability, and the importance of choosing the right people around us, especially in the context of overcoming pornography addiction.
If forgiveness is given after betrayal, why does trust still feel so elusive? Chelsea and Layton explore the nuances between trust and forgiveness in relationships, with a specific emphasis on understanding how they are linked and where they differ. The episode includes personal stories, metaphors, and practical steps to foster healing and integrity.
Jeremy Bilderback returns on Liberator! Together with Layton and Chelsea, he'll help unpack the additional weight of sexual sin described in 1 Corinthians 6:18. This episode explores the spiritual and biological aspects of sexual sin, emphasizing the importance of worship, dependence on God, and practical strategies for overcoming addiction.
Chelsea and Layton explore the story of Potiphar's wife from Genesis 39, analyzing themes of temptation, lust, and integrity. Join us as we peel back the layers on an often overlooked character from Joseph's narrative. Together we'll discuss how to recognize and resist destructive desires, emphasizing the importance of spiritual discipline and self-control.
How much does unforgiveness affect our healing? Chelsea and Layton talk through one of the most important truths they learned during their relationship's early days of healing. Chelsea draws on her own experience and the book of Ruth to find practical lessons for processing bitterness. Join us as we discuss freeing ourselves from the pit of resentment.
Have you ever considered that porn is contributing to a self-absorbed view of the people around you? Chelsea and Layton explore the hidden roots of possessiveness, its connection to pride, and how it impacts relationships and spiritual growth. They discuss personal stories, biblical insights, and practical steps to surrender control and find freedom in God's sovereignty.
We are rewinding it back with our friend and licensed therapist, Jason VanRuler on the show. Jason began his career in 2011 and has worked with many populations over the years, ranging from persons who are incarcerated to top CEOs, performers and artists, and just about everyone in between. Jason has extensive experience as a clinician, coach, and speaker and operates a multistate private practice. He has an engaged and rapidly growing online audience for his insightful, short videos sharing practical tips for psychological care, self-help, and healthy relationships. Jason joins us to share his thoughts on intimacy, trust, and cultivating connection in our relationships.
Jason's Website: jasonvr.com Jason's Book: Get Past Your Past: How Facing Your Broken Places Leads to True Connection
Chelsea and Layton discuss the subtle dangers of fantasy and erotica and how they can shape unrealistic expectations around romance, pursuit, and intimacy. Chelsea shares a personal story that revealed how easily media can stir comparison and discontent within relationships. Together, they invite listeners to examine what they're consuming and ensure it's strengthening—not distorting—God's design for love and connection.
Layton and Chelsea sit down with longtime church-planter and disciple-maker Wade McHargue to hear his incredible story of struggle, calling, and freedom. Wade shares the deeply personal battle he faced after being exposed to pornography as a child and the shame and bondage that followed him for years.
Everything changed when Wade began desperately seeking God and sensed the Lord leading him to memorize Scripture and remove the things feeding his flesh. As God's Word filled his mind, he experienced a radical renewal—replacing lies with truth and discovering the authority believers have in Christ to take their thoughts captive.
Miracle Stories Podcast with Wade and Katie
Walking in Biblical Manhood Podcast
Sinai - The Holy Mountain Mini-Documentary
Could the effects of pornography be preventing you from hearing God's call on your life? Chelsea and Layton explore the concept of holy ambition, particularly in the context of weeding out the entanglements created by porn. The episode walks through what it looks like to move beyond traditional human goals and embrace God's specific and divine purpose for each of us.
Chelsea and Layton talk about what real freedom looks like — especially in the early days of breaking free from pornography, shame, and hidden struggles. They unpack how liberation doesn't always feel good at first — but gets exponentially better over time. Drawing from stories in the Book of Exodus, Gospel of Luke, and Gospel of John, they highlight a powerful truth: even after deliverance, gratitude and joy are still a choice. Ultimately, freedom isn't just a destination — it's a Person — and when you taste it, shame loses its grip and your story can become someone else's hope.
Chelsea and Layton delve into the profound effects of betrayal on the brain and body. They explore the symptoms of betrayal trauma, the importance of understanding these responses, and the journey towards healing. The conversation emphasizes the need for compassion, support, and effective strategies for recovery, highlighting the role of counseling and the brain's capacity for healing.
John Rue joins Liberator for today's conversation! John is a coach, mentor, and trainer at Built-to-Lead. In this episode he brings his passion for helping teams and individuals reach their full effectiveness and God-given potential. John shares his insights into one of our favorite topics: discipleship. Together we'll explore what discipleship looks like in practice, and why it's of vital importance when overcoming the effects of pornography. Don't miss this one!
BuiltToLead.com
Chelsea and Layton explore the biblical story of Lot's wife from Genesis 19, discussing themes of nostalgia, longing for the past, and the challenges of moving forward after experiencing betrayal and addiction. They reflect on personal experiences and the importance of understanding God's heart in the midst of struggles, emphasizing the need for gratitude and mindfulness as one navigates the wilderness of life.
Chelsea and Layton examine the link between pornography and sexual illiteracy. They explore how adolescents absorb sexual scripts from pornographic content, leading to misconceptions about real-life sexual experiences. The conversation emphasizes the importance of reclaiming sexuality within the church and equipping parents to have open, honest discussions with their children about sex.
Birds-Bees.com
SexEdReclaimed.com
Awkward by Bonnie Pue
Good Pictures Bad Pictures by Kristen A. Jenson
Study on Sexual Illiteracy in Adolescents
Study on Where Adolescents Look for Sexual Information
Chelsea and Layton share how relapse affected their individual healing and the path of their relationship. They unpack both of their perspectives from the event as well as the challenges that resulted. The episode includes advice and messages of hope.
George Faller joins Liberator for today's episode! George brings his experience as a licensed EFT therapist and trainer to explore the complexities of anger in relationships, particularly in the context of betrayal and pornography. George emphasizes the significance of understanding the underlying emotions behind anger and the role of love and God in the healing process. The conversation provides insights into navigating anger and fostering healthier relationships.
George Faller's website
Brave Love Great Sex Podcast
In this episode, Chelsea and Layton discuss the critical role of exercise in recovery and healing, emphasizing the importance of movement for both physical and mental health. They explore the science behind how exercise boosts brain resilience, enhances mood, and helps break cycles of temptation. The conversation also touches on the significance of setting goals, being mindful in recovery, and the necessity of doing hard things to foster growth and discipline.
In this Christmas episode of Liberator, hosts Chelsea and Layton discuss the complexities of the holiday season - including the struggles of isolation and the high consumption of pornography during this time. They emphasize the meaning of Christmas as a time for belonging with God, and Jesus' pursuit of us despite our failings.
Chelsea and Layton explore the legacy of King David, delving into themes of brokenness, redemption, and the importance of a contrite heart. They discuss David's complex life, his mistakes, and how his relationship with God exemplifies true surrender and humility.
Chelsea and Layton welcome Bonnie Pue back to the show to discuss her new book! 'Awkward' aims to equip parents to have the difficult conversations with their children around sexuality and culture. Bonnie shares her journey of writing the book, the importance of gospel-centered discussions, and the need for parents to engage in these conversations despite their fears. The conversation covers various topics, including the foundations of sexuality, the role of fathers, and the significance of community support in parenting.
Awkward by Bonnie Pue
The Union Movement website
Chelsea and Layton discuss the concept of "red lines" in relationships, emphasizing the importance of setting boundaries to foster trust and accountability. They draw upon their own story to explore how these boundaries can help rebuild trust after betrayal, the necessity of open dialogue, and the shared responsibility in maintaining a healthy marriage.
Chelsea and Layton dive into a deeply overlooked part of healing from betrayal: learning how to receive encouragement, affirmation, and love again—especially from the very person who caused the pain.
Chelsea shares vulnerably about years of brushing off compliments, both before and after betrayal, and how that heart posture revealed a deeper spiritual reality: if we reject the words of those closest to us, we may also be rejecting what God is trying to say about us.
Chelsea and Layton unpack the discipline of being fully present in the recovery journey from porn. The conversation analyzes the roadblocks created by unhealthy focus on our past mistakes or future anxieties. Personal stories and Biblical text are used to give real-life applications throughout the discussion.
Molly Bertles shares her journey of overcoming personal struggles with masturbation and shame, and how she found freedom through biblical counseling. She discusses the challenges women face in addressing sexual sin, the importance of community and openness, and the role of social media in shaping perceptions of sexuality. Molly emphasizes the need for understanding God's design for sex and the power of sharing one's story to help others find healing and hope.
You Are Not Alone by Molly Bertles
Transforming Love Course (Harvest USA)
Chelsea and Layton have one of their most nuanced conversations yet — tackling a question that many couples quietly wrestle with:
"Is it okay to replace pornography with images or videos of my spouse?"
This episode dives deep into the gray areas of sexuality, desire, and healing — exploring where connection becomes consumption, and how couples can pursue intimacy that's rooted in love, honesty, and holiness.
Chelsea and Layton share openly from their own journey through betrayal, healing, and rebuilding trust. Together, they unpack:
- The difference between lust and desire — and why motive matters
- How shame, rationalization, and avoidance can quietly sabotage intimacy
- Why true connection costs something — and how pictures and videos can bypass that cost
- The role of the Holy Spirit and discernment in navigating complex sexual questions
- What it looks like to pursue peace, wisdom, and mutual trust in your marriage
Have you ever felt like your spouse or partner couldn't possibly understand the damage that porn has created in your life?
In Episode 109, Chelsea and Layton sit down to unpack the wounds and struggles that have been some of their greatest sources of frustration. Through sharing their individual experiences as a porn consumer and a betrayed spouse, they offer insights that helped them heal and work together towards true empathy and compassion.
Chelsea and Layton explore the story of Jesus and the woman at the well, discussing themes of sexual brokenness, personal transformation, and the healing power of faith. They emphasize how Jesus meets individuals in their struggles, offering them hope and a new identity through His grace. The conversation highlights the significance of living water as a metaphor for true satisfaction and fulfillment, contrasting it with the emptiness of addiction and sin.
Ellen Dykas is Harvest USA's Director of Equipping for Ministry to Women. She's authored several mini-books, a women's curriculum, a devotional, and, most recently, Jesus and Your Unwanted Journey: Wives Finding Comfort After Sexual Betrayal. She joins Liberator to discuss the challenges and trends in women's ministry, particularly focusing on sexual sin and the impact of betrayal in marriages. The conversation highlights the growing awareness of women's sexual struggles and the opportunity for churches to provide resources and support for healing.
HarvestUSA.org
Jesus and Your Unwanted Journey: Wives Finding Comfort After Sexual Betrayal
Hope In Your Heartbreak-6 Session Video Discipleship Resource
Chelsea and Layton discuss the importance of taking your partner's pain seriously and the role of validation in relationships. They explore how emotional responses can impact communication and the significance of mirroring feelings to foster understanding. The conversation emphasizes proactive steps to support partners, the importance of love languages in healing, and the need for compassionate communication.
Chelsea and Layton discuss the complexities of addressing root problems related to pornography and emotional struggles. They cover the importance of self-analysis, inviting God into the healing process, and the role of community and mentorship in personal growth. The conversation emphasizes the need for honesty and commitment to change, providing practical steps for listeners to embark on their own journeys of healing and freedom.
Chelsea and Layton discuss their relationship mantra, "Have fun together!" They emphasize the importance of taking breaks from grief, being intentional about building intimacy, and rediscovering joy in everyday moments. The phrase has been especially helpful while navigating challenges in betrayal and addiction. Practical steps are provided for couples to reconnect and have fun, highlighting the significance of shared experiences and the need for both partners to feel valued and pursued.
Lisa Whittle joines the show to explore the complex issues surrounding body image, self-worth, and the impact of cultural narratives on personal identity. Together we discuss the challenges women face regarding body image, the influence of pornography, and the importance of understanding one's worth through a biblical lens. Lisa is the best selling author of multiple books and Bible studies, including Jesus Over Everything and her latest, Body and Soul. She is the founder of several online communities, a seasoned book and ministry coach, and host of the popular Jesus Over Everything podcast.
LisaWhittle.com
Body and Soul: A Biblical Look at the Whole Person God Created You to Be
Chelsea and Layton explore the rise of romantic relationships between humans and Artifical Intelligence, discussing the dangers of emotional attachment to AI. They highlight the counterfeit nature of AI relationships, the illusion of emotional support it provides, and the importance of genuine human connection and growth. The discussion also touches on the spiritual implications of relying on AI for emotional fulfillment, urging listeners to seek authentic relationships.
Join Layton and Chelsea as they explore how pornography disrupts the true purpose that we are all called towards. The conversation expounds on the idea that we are God's handiwork, created for good works, and that there is always hope for us to walk our path in freedom.
"Made for More" by Josh Baldwin, featuring Jenn Johnson
Chelsea and Layton celebrate their 100th episode by discussing the challenges of swimsuit season, body image pressures, and the importance of communication and trust in relationships. They explore how societal expectations can affect self-worth and the need for preparation and boundaries to navigate temptations. The conversation emphasizes the significance of understanding and supporting each other in marriage, as well as the importance of taking control of one's thoughts and feelings.
Casey and Meygan Caston, founders of Marriage 365, share their journey from college sweethearts to leading a successful marriage ministry. They discuss the challenges they faced in their early marriage, the importance of individual growth, and how their experiences led to the creation of Marriage 365.
Marriage365.com
Nate Larkin shares his journey of recovery and healing from pornography and sexual addiction. Growing up in a conservative Christian home, Nate experienced trauma and shame that led him to seek solace in pornography. He struggled with guilt and shame, hiding his addiction from his wife and family. Eventually, he reached a breaking point and sought help through a 12-step program. Nate emphasizes the importance of holistic healing, including emotional, spiritual, and community support. He also discusses the impact of his sobriety on his family relationships and the power of vulnerability and confession in finding healing. The conversation explores the importance of being a safe place for others, the progression and future of pornography, collaboration in the recovery community, and unity and hope in recovery.
Chelsea and Layton discuss how to be community for individuals affected by pornography. The episode explores how to approach the conversations with tact, compassion, and empathy - implementing practical steps that the hosts have learned from their own story.
Authentic Intimacy
Harvest USA
This episode explores the personal and shared journey of healing from pornography addiction and betrayal trauma within marriage. The hosts, Chelsea and Layton, discuss the question they often receive: “Does it get easier?” They respond with honest reflections, spiritual insights, scientific support, and practical steps for healing, growth, and transformation.
Dr. Anna Lembke is a professor of psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine and Chief of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic. She has published over 100 peer-reviewed papers and commentaries, along with the bestselling books, Dopamine Nation and Drug Dealer, MD.
In this conversation, Dr. Lembke discusses the complexities of dopamine, the brain's reward system, and how modern society's relationship with technology and pleasure has led to widespread addiction. She emphasizes that everyone is vulnerable to addiction, shares insights from her clinical practice, and highlights the importance of community and support in recovery. Dr. Lembke also delves into the science of pornography, the pleasure-pain balance, and practical strategies for overcoming addiction, ultimately offering hope and encouragement for those on the path to recovery.
Dopamine Nation
Chelsea and Layton explore the cultural implications of extreme sexual stunts, particularly in the context of platforms like OnlyFans. They discuss the impact of porn culture on societal views of sexuality, the ethical considerations surrounding adult content, and the importance of recognizing the sacredness of sexual intimacy.
Chelsea and Layton explore the concept of eternal desires and how they contrast with the instant gratification provided by pornography. They discuss the implications of pornography on personal relationships and emotional health, emphasizing the importance of introspection and seeking true fulfillment beyond superficial pleasures.
Chelsea and Layton unpack the concept of "messengers" — individuals who can influence and support loved ones struggling with issues like pornography. They explore the importance of praying for these messengers, the burden of trying to change others, and the role of conviction and preservation in relationships.
Jonathan Daugherty is the founder and President of Be Broken Ministries. In this episode he shares his incredible story of moving from sexual brokenness to recovery and healing. The conversation explores the impact of addiction on his life and marriage, the significance of confession, and how to build resilience in families.
BeBroken.org
This conversation explores the complex relationship between pornography and female sexuality, focusing on how women's consumption of porn affects their body image, sexual enjoyment, and overall mental health. The discussion highlights the negative impacts of porn on women's self-perception and the normalization of unhealthy sexual behaviors. It emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of women's experiences and the importance of fostering healthy sexual intimacy.
Resources from this epsidoe: Study from Journal of Women's Health
Chelsea and Layton explore the profound impact of words, particularly in the context of relationships and healing from pornography addiction. The discussion delves into the science behind encouragement, the challenges of communication in emotionally charged situations, and the biblical perspective on the power of the tongue. They conclude with practical advice on how to choose words wisely to foster healing and connection.
Chelsea and Layton discuss the challenges faced by spouses dealing with their partner's porn use - specifically in the context of how much they should share with others. They emphasize the importance of community support, the need for intentional communication, and the biblical approach to disclosure and restoration. The conversation also highlights valuable resources for those affected by betrayal, encouraging listeners to seek help and not feel isolated in their struggles.
Hopequest
Sarah Society
Happily Even After
Chris and Lisa Archinal join the show to discuss their marriage's journey through betrayal and recovery. Chris shares how he came to strive for a relentless pursuit of sexual integrity, while Lisa reflects on her path to receiving a new heart after experiencing deep emotional pain. Together, they emphasize the significance of community support and practical steps in the healing process, showcasing a powerful narrative of redemption and faith.
Chris' and Lisa's Website
Relentless Pursuit by Chris Archinal
Betrayal Trauma Survival Guide by Lisa Archinal
Chelsea and Layton discuss the complex relationship between pornography, moral absolutes, and the pursuit of happiness. They explore the societal shift towards individualism and the implications of defining personal truths. The conversation emphasizes the importance of discipline and accountability in achieving true freedom and joy, contrasting it with the fleeting nature of superficial happiness.
Chelsea and Layton explore the complexities of temptation, particularly in the context of lust and pornography addiction. They discuss the nature of beauty, the struggles individuals face, and the influences of the World, Flesh, and Devil on these temptations.
Chelsea and Layton explore the themes of condemnation, forgiveness, and identity in Christ. They discuss the lack of condemnation for those in Christ, the journey of forgiveness, and the importance of understanding one's true identity as a child of God. The conversation emphasizes the freedom that comes from recognizing that one's past does not define them and the transformative power of God's love and mercy.
Mark Sanders joins the show! The episode explores the false comfort that pornography provides, the generational shifts in attitudes towards sex and relationships, and the importance of community and healing in recovery. The discussion emphasizes the need for a redefined understanding of intimacy and the role of selflessness in healthy relationships. The conversation concludes with an overview of new resources aimed at healing and hope for those struggling with sexual integrity.
Harvest Website
Chelsea shares her personal journey of dealing with betrayal and the emotional turmoil that followed. She discusses the common feelings of self-doubt and guilt that arise after being blindsided by a partner's actions, particularly in the context of pornography. The conversation emphasizes the importance of forgiveness, both for oneself and for the partner, and the need to let go of the illusion of control over others' choices.
Chelsea and Layton unpack the concept of formation and how our daily choices shape our lives and futures. The conversation touches on the importance of being intentional about what we consume, especially for those recovering from addiction or trauma. The discussion covers the impact of music, movies, and other media on our mental and spiritual well-being, advocating for a mindful approach to content consumption.
Chelsea and Layton discuss their recent trip to Bangkok, where they witnessed the stark realities of the sex industry and its impact on workers and customers. They reflect on the importance of perspectives gained through travel, the deep sin nature of humanity, and the compassion shown by those who have escaped the sex trades. The conversation emphasizes hope and redemption, highlighting the transformative power of God even in the darkest places.
Chelsea and Layton welcome Craig Marshall to the show! Together they explore the complex relationship between beauty, embodiment, and the impact of cultural standards and pornography.
Seeing and Seeking Embodied Beauty by Craig A. Marshall
Chelsea and Layton unpack the deep physical and emotional reactions that porn consumption and betrayal create. They share personal stories of their own struggles navigating triggers, and explore the importance of vulnerability, relationships, and communication in healing.
Layton shares his journey of overcoming pornography consumption and the transformative power of Christ. He emphasizes the importance of community, accountability, and the role of God in his healing and redemption. The talk also touches on the impact of sin on his relationships, his call to ministry, and the significance of sharing personal stories to help others.
Chelsea and Layton explore the complex journey of finding joy amidst suffering, grief, and addiction. They discuss the difference between joy and happiness, the importance of intentionality in our low points, and the necessity of community support during difficult times. The conversation emphasizes the significance of taking breaks from grieving, redefining one's identity beyond pain, and the power of trust in finding joy.
Matthew and Joanna Raabsmith join the show. They share their personal journey from friendship to marriage, the challenges they faced due to addiction, and the transformative power of vulnerability and honesty in healing. The discussion emphasizes the importance of creating a supportive framework for couples navigating difficult conversations and the ongoing journey of rebuilding trust and intimacy.
Raabsmithteam.com
Chelsea and Layton explore the concepts of generational sin and redemption, discussing how these themes impact personal growth and family dynamics. They delve into the science of addiction, particularly focusing on epigenetics, and how our choices can affect not only ourselves but also future generations.
Jacob Valk from Into the Light Ministries returns to the show to discuss pornography, sexuality, and parenting. Jacob shares insights from his ministry's journey, including the creation of a masterclass developed to empower parents to address porn with their children confidently. The discussion highlights the significance of personal stories and the collective responsibility of parents in shaping a healthy understanding of sexuality for the next generation. The episode contains conceptual truths about pornography and the family, as well as specific insights into how to make the home safer for children.
Parenting & Pornography Masterclass
TechSafe Series
Chelsea and Layton Boeve delve into the complexities of dating and the often-taboo subject of pornography. The conversation emphasizes the need for both partners to be honest about their feelings and experiences with pornography, and how it can impact their relationship dynamics. They also explore the significance of personal healing and the necessity for individuals to address their own struggles with pornography before entering or continuing a relationship.
Chelsea and Layton share the best advice they each personally received during the healing journey. The conversation hits on the importance of confronting personal and familial secrets as a means of growth and recovery, as well as the centrality of grace, honesty, and courage in addressing our sin.
Chelsea and Layton explore the damaging effects of pornography on the brain, the rationalizations people make to cope with addiction, and the importance of self-honesty in recovery. They discuss the cost of following Christ, the influences of media on personal behavior, and the challenges of healing from betrayal and insecurity. The dialogue emphasizes the need for deep introspection and the courage to confront difficult truths in order to find true freedom and growth.
Chelsea and Layton are joined by Caitlin McCaffrey, the Director of Women's Ministry at Harvest USA. They explore the mission of Harvest USA, God’s heart towards those struggling with betrayal and sexual sin, and the significant need for support among women facing these challenges. Caitlin shares insights on betrayal trauma, the importance of acknowledging pain, and the role of church leaders in providing care. The discussion also delves into the science of pornography addiction, neuroplasticity, and the hope found in Christ for healing and restoration.
https://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/silence-the-sound-of-female-sexual-shame/
https://harvestusa.org/christian-women-and-masturbation-whats-really-going-on/
https://harvestusa.org/women-are-struggling-too-the-sobering-statistics-and-how-to-respond/
https://harvestusa.org/courses/
Catalog of Caitlin's Articles
Chelsea and Layton wrap up Liberator’s Beyond the Porn Phenomenon series by diving into Barna’s research on pornography and the church. They discuss the importance of community support for both congregants and leaders, the generational perspectives on pornography, and the challenges faced by church leaders in addressing these issues. The conversation emphasizes the need for compassion, understanding, and proactive measures within the church to foster a healthier environment for all members.
The Healing Church: What Churches Get Wrong about Pornography and How to Fix It by Sam Black
Chelsea and Layton continue their Barna series, exploring the impact of pornography across different generations. The conversation compares differing attitudes around porn, while emphasizing the importance of communication and mentorship between different age groups.
We are rewinding back to one of our favorite episodes with some of our favorite people, the Greshes!
Bob and Dannah Gresh are bestselling authors and leaders of the Pure Freedom, True Girl, and Born to Be Brave ministries. They join us to talk about Dannah's book, Happily Even After, and the incredible redemption story of their marriage.
Resources Dannah mentioned:
Healing Your Marriage When Trust is Broken by Cindy Beall
Dannah’s website: PureFreedom.org
Merry Christmas from all of us at Liberator! We're taking a brief pause from our, "Beyond The Porn Phenomenon," series to do a special Christmas encouragement. You are not alone!
Chelsea and Layton delve into the motivations behind pornography consumption, exploring how factors like boredom, stress, and personal arousal influence individuals' choices. They discuss the differences in motivations between men and women, the impact of technology on access to pornography, and the need for the church to engage in discussions about sexuality and provide guidance.
Chelsea and Layton introduce a new series based from Barna's research on pornography usage in the U.S., discussing the growth of consumers and frequency of use across the country. They also explore the themes of substance versus shadow in life, particularly in relation to pornography and its impact on society.
Chelsea and Layton speak with Jamie Gordon from Screen Sanity about the challenges parents face in managing technology use among children. Jamie shares the mission of Screen Sanity, and shares practical strategies for establishing boundaries, addressing difficult topics like pornography, and fostering open communication with kids.
ScreenSanity.org
The Gabb Phone
Bark Tech
Chelsea and Layton discuss the themes of pain, suffering, and God's role in our lives during difficult times. They explore the biblical concept of the 'refiner's fire' and how it relates to personal growth and healing. Through the stories of Job, Peter, and Judas, they emphasize the importance of understanding God's character and the hope that can be found even in the midst of pain. The conversation encourages listeners to seek God in their times of need, reminding them that they are not alone in their journey.
Chelsea and Layton discuss the complexities of communication around pornography use, particularly focusing on the questions that can hinder healing after betrayal. They emphasize the importance of trust and avoiding assumptions, as well as the impact of genuine curiosity. The conversation also highlights the significance of constructive dialogue and seeking divine guidance in understanding oneself and one's partner.
Chelsea and Layton explore the life of King Solomon, examining his rise to greatness and subsequent fall from grace. They discuss the importance of vigilance in leadership, the dangers of temptation, and the need for contentment and stewardship in relationships. The conversation serves as a cautionary tale about the consequences of straying from one's values and the hope for redemption through repentance and gratitude.
Amanda Aanestad joins Liberator for episode 57! Amanda is the Co-Founder of The Victory Collective, an online ministry for girls and women seeking to overcome pornography and sexual shame. Amanda shares her personal journey, the power of confession, and the story behind the creation of the Victory Collective. The conversation explores the significance of understanding triggers, navigating relationships, and the resources available for support.
Chelsea and Layton discuss the early days of their personal story of porn use, betrayal trauma, and healing. They explore the struggles of confessing to a partner, the journey towards sobriety, and the impact of addiction on self-worth and trust. The conversation emphasizes the need for open dialogue, understanding, and support in overcoming challenges together, ultimately leading to hope and renewal.
Dr. Juli Slattery returns to the show to address listeners’ most frequently asked question, “What should I do if my partner can’t or won’t stop watching porn?” Our conversation will dive into the challenges faced by individuals dealing with sexual addiction, the importance of humility in relationships, and the necessity of pursuing wholeness and sexual integrity on an individual level. The discussion navigates how to frame these issues whether you are married, dating, or single.
Chelsea and Layton discuss the alarming rise of sextortion, a form of blackmail particularly affecting young people. They explore the mechanics of sextortion, the emotional impact on victims, and the importance of open communication between parents and children. The conversation emphasizes the need for awareness, practical safety measures, and the role of faith in overcoming the fear and shame associated with these threats.
In this episode, Chelsea and Layton discuss the themes of shame, redemption, and the story of Rahab from the Bible. They explore how shame can distort our identity and how faith can lead to freedom. The conversation highlights Rahab's role as an unlikely heroine and the importance of obedience in the face of risk. They emphasize that God values everyone, regardless of their past, and that true freedom can have a ripple effect on families and communities.
In this conversation, Chelsea and Kori explore the themes of identity, beauty, and freedom in Christ. They discuss the struggles women face regarding self-worth and outward appearance, emphasizing the importance of finding identity in God's love rather than societal standards. The conversation highlights the power of community, confession, and the journey towards embracing true beauty and liberation from core lies.
Troy and Melissa Haas share their profound journey through pain, addiction, and healing in their marriage. They provide a roadmap and tools for the process of disclosure in overcoming betrayal. Their story leads to the founding of HopeQuest, a ministry dedicated to helping others impacted by addiction find hope and healing. The conversation emphasizes the significance of honest communication, therapeutic processes, and the relentless grace of God in the journey of recovery.
HopeQuestGroup.org
In this conversation, Chelsea and Layton discuss the emotions and struggles that arise after betrayal, even years after confession. They explore the importance of cultivating a safe community for confession and the shame that the betrayed person may carry. They share their own experiences and offer insights on how to cope with intense emotions and navigate difficult conversations. They emphasize the need for self-awareness, communication, and reliance on God's truth to find healing and restoration.
Christian Watson, founder of 1924.us, shares his personal journey of overcoming pornography addiction and the importance of speaking out about it. Christian discusses the root causes of pornography addiction, including trauma and brokenness, and highlights the need for understanding and support. He also addresses the shame and guilt associated with addiction and the importance of self-discipline and accountability. The conversation delves into the normalization of pornography and its harmful effects on individuals and society. The need for open discussions about the porn industry and its consequences is emphasized, along with the importance of personal growth and venturing onward.
Christians Website: 1924.us
In this last and final epsidoe of The Armor of God Series, Chelsea and Layton discuss the importance of intercession in the context of spiritual warfare and healing. They emphasize the need for community and the power of prayer in supporting and uplifting one another. They also highlight the role of prayer in bringing comfort, peace, and hope to those who are struggling. The conversation concludes with a reminder that God equips and empowers us to fight against sin and that we are not alone in our battles.
What does the Sword of the Spirit have to do with pornography? Porn is a destructive trap, but we have been given the power to fight back. In this episode Layton and Chelsea highlight the importance of the spoken word of God and the ability to use Scripture against the lies of the enemy. Every piece of armor before this has been defensive in nature, but the sword is explicitly for offense; tune in to find out why.
Chelsea and Layton unpack the Helmet of Salvation as part of their Armor of God series. They explore the significance of the helmet in protecting the mind and controlling our thoughts, while emphasizing the importance of understanding our identity as children of God and the assurance of salvation. The connection between the breastplate of righteousness and the helmet of salvation is drawn, both of which are freely given to us by Jesus. The episode concludes with encouragement to listeners to stand firm in their belief and authority as children of God, even in the face of temptation and struggles with pornography.
The conversation explores the concept of the Shield of Faith, drawing parallels from historical references and personal experiences. It delves into the nature of faith, its challenges, and the importance of community support. The discussion also addresses the relationship between faith and fear, the significance of God's promises, and the role of faith in overcoming pornography addiction.
Online Communities L&C reccommend:
SamsonSociety.com
SarahSociety.com
SheRecovery.com
AuthenticIntimacy.com
In this episode, Chelsea and Layton discuss the significance of having 'sandals fitted with the Gospel of peace' as part of the Armor of God. They explore the concept of peace as an active and powerful state, the metaphor of feet for scaling mountains, and the battle against sin and brokenness. They also share personal experiences and reflections on finding peace in the Gospel message.
In the second episode of The Armor of God Series, Chelsea and Layton discuss righteousness and it's relationship with porn and healing. They contrast positional and conditional righteousness and how both are related to our walk with Jesus. The episode concludes with prayer and an encouragement to put on the Breastplate of Righteousness every day.
In this episode, Layton and Chelsea introduce their new series on The Armor of God. They discuss the importance of truth as the foundation of the armor and how it applies to various aspects of life, including overcoming porn addiction and betrayal. They explore the lies of the world and the flesh, and the power of God's truth to combat them. They emphasize the need to challenge negative thoughts and replace them with God's truth. The episode ends with a prayer for strength and guidance in living according to God's truth.
Scripture:
Ephesians 6:10-18
The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood,but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
Kristen Miele, founder of Sex Ed Reclaimed, shares her personal journey into sex education and the importance of reclaiming the conversation around sex. She discusses the challenges and misconceptions surrounding sex education, while also highlighting the impact of pornography on kids and offering guidance on how to respond when they are exposed to it. Kristen's mission is to empower parents and equip them with the tools to have open and honest conversations about sex with their children. The importance of resting in God's design is explored, as well as the benefit of approaching our children with curiosity rather than accusation.
SexEDreclaimed.com
This week's conversation explores the possibility of finding freedom and sobriety from pornography without a belief in God. Chelsea and Layton discuss their different perspectives on the topic, while emphasizing the importance of Jesus in true healing. They also address the challenge of waiting for someone to find sobriety and the power of prayer in the process. The conversation concludes with a prayer and a reminder to trust in God's work in the lives of loved ones.
In this conversation, Chelsea and Layton discuss the concept of betrayal and how Jesus can empathize with those of us who have experienced it. They explore different examples of betrayal in the Bible, including Judas, Peter, and the Pharisees. The goal of the conversation is for listeners to rely on Jesus and understand that he truly understands their pain and emotions.
In this episode, Chelsea and Layton discuss the concept of strongholds, specifically focusing on Psalm 9:9 which states that the Lord is a stronghold for the oppressed in times of trouble. They explore different perspectives on strongholds, including the idea of reclaiming them and making Jesus the ultimate stronghold. They also discuss the importance of recognizing and repenting of sin strongholds, seeking revelation and accountability, and trusting in God's promise of a way out. The episode concludes with a prayer for freedom.
Our friend Scott Kedersha joins us to discuss the challenges and impact of pornography in relationships. Scott is the Marriage Pastor at Harris Creek Baptist Church. He shares his personal journey and how he became passionate about helping couples build strong marriages. Scott provides insights on how to address pornography addiction, the dangers of watching pornography together, and the importance of finding hope in difficult situations. He emphasizes the need for open conversations about pornography and the role of faith in strengthening marriages. Scott also introduces his books and podcast, which provide practical guidance and encouragement for couples. The conversation explores the importance of pursuing Jesus and practicing humility in marriage.
Scott's Books:
Ready or Knot? 12 Conversations Every Couple Needs to Have before Marriage
The Ready or Knot Prayer Guide: 100 Prayers for Dating and Engaged Couples
In this episode, Chelsea and Layton discuss how to navigate fear in relationships, particularly when there has been a history of betrayal. They emphasize the importance of trusting in God's goodness and surrendering control. They also discuss the need to question feelings and challenge irrational thoughts. Applying biblical truth and communicating openly in relationships are key to overcoming fear. The episode concludes with a reminder that God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind.
In this conversation, Chelsea and Layton discuss the impact of dopamine on addictive behavior, particularly in relation to pornography and sexual addiction. They explore how engaging in addictive behavior can lead to temptation and sin, as well as the dangers of dopamine addiction. They also discuss the influence of big tech and the need to be present in order to hear from God. Practical steps for overcoming addiction and healing from unhealthy self-image are also shared. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of understanding the role of dopamine in our culture and taking intentional steps to break free from addictive behaviors.
The State of the Culture, 2024
Nate Larkin shares his journey of recovery and healing from pornography and sexual addiction. Growing up in a conservative Christian home, Nate experienced trauma and shame that led him to seek solace in pornography. He struggled with guilt and shame, hiding his addiction from his wife and family. Eventually, he reached a breaking point and sought help through a 12-step program. Nate emphasizes the importance of holistic healing, including emotional, spiritual, and community support. He also discusses the impact of his sobriety on his family relationships and the power of vulnerability and confession in finding healing. The conversation explores the importance of being a safe place for others, the progression and future of pornography, collaboration in the recovery community, and unity and hope in recovery.
Samson and the Pirate Monks: Calling Men to Authentic Brotherhood
Pirate Podcast Monk
SamsonSociety.com
SarahSociety.com
In this episode of Liberator, Chelsea and Layton discuss the importance of fighting fair in the context of pornography and relationships. They draw from their own experiences and share insights on how to navigate conflict without bringing up past hurts. They emphasize the need for humility, forgiveness, and taking thoughts captive. The episode highlights the power of vulnerability and communication in resolving conflicts and building stronger relationships.
In this episode, Chelsea and Layton discuss how to navigate friendships of the opposite sex in the context of healing and rebuilding trust after experiencing betrayal. They emphasize the importance of being vulnerable with the right people and being cautious of oversharing. The conversation covers topics such as seeking accountability, setting boundaries, including spouses in conversations and interactions, and the role of emotional connections in relationships. They also highlight the significance of building trust through scripture, open communication, and embracing community and friendships.
Phil and Priscilla Fretwell share their journey of healing and restoration in their marriage after years of secrecy and addiction. They emphasize the importance of transparency, vulnerability, and accountability in overcoming struggles and finding healing. Their story has had a ripple effect, impacting their family and friends, and they now minister to others through Savage Marriage Ministries. They encourage couples to take a step into the pain and seek healing through confession and prayer. Their story offers hope and encouragement to those who feel hopeless in their marriages.
Savage Marriage by Phil & Priscilla Fretwell
SavageMarriageMinistries.com
In this conversation Jamie Ivey discusses her book 'Why Can't I Get It Together?' and shares her personal struggles with feeling out of control and having unrealistic expectations. She emphasizes the importance of community and vulnerability in overcoming these challenges. Jamie also opens up about her experiences with pornography and the power of sharing personal stories. Throughout the conversation, she encourages self-compassion and highlights the journey of healing and growth. Jamie's New Book: https://www.jamieivey.com/get-it-together
Jamie's Website: https://www.jamieivey.com
The healing process after betrayal is long and fraught with unexpected challenges. Even the smallest misunderstanding can spiral into a full-blown fight when trust is fragile or missing. In this episode we break down a common conflict that we've found ourselves in, as well as how we've learned to navigate it over the years.
Every day seems to bring a new invention or scientific breakthrough. This episode we take a few minutes to parse through the intersection of technology and porn, as well as give our thoughts on where we see some of these trends heading.
Heath Lambert (M.Div, Ph.D.) joins Liberator this week! Dr. Lambert will share insights into pornography and relationships from his book research, as well as years of experience as a pastor. Our conversation delves into marriage, singleness, and Heath’s advice for those suffering the aftermath of betrayal. Heath’s Books: Finally Free and The Great Love of God.
Heath’s Podcast: Marked By Grace Podcast
Is watching porn really that big of a deal? It seems like it's a lot better than some of the alternatives, and it feels especially harmless if I'm single. Join Chelsea and Layton as they take a closer look at one of the most common questions they receive.
Fight The New Drug
Truth About Porn
Join us as we take a closer look at one of the key verses that helped Layton on his journey towards healing. We'll explore the themes of freedom and our identity in Christ.
"For Freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery."
We are joined today by our dear friend, Dave. Dave's work on the missions field takes place in sensitive and dangerous circumstances, so his full name is being withheld to protect his family and ministry partners. In this episode we will discuss the spread and impact of pornography throughout the developing world, as well as the enduring power of dying to ourselves.
It’s time for our Season 3 Q&A! Please join us as we open up the inbox and answer listener’s questions from Instagram and Liberator.com. Thank you for another fantastic season and entrusting us with your time and attention. We look forward to connecting with you soon. Be well and God Bless!
Resources Layton & Chelsea mentioned:
Defend Young Minds, Birds & Bees Instagram Page, Screen Sanity, and Dr. Meg Meeker Website.
This week we are joined by Kristen A. Jenson. She is the founder of Defend Young Minds® and the #1 best-selling author of the Good Pictures Bad Pictures read-aloud books. Her books have translations in over a dozen languages and are now augmented by a Guidebook for Counseling Kids supporting child therapists and educators. She is also the executive producer of the Brain Defense: Digital Safety® curriculum—a powerful and engaging video-based course for families and educators. Kristen is a positive voice for raising empowered, resilient, screen-smart kids who know how and why to reject pornography.
Website/Books: www.DefendYoungMinds.com
Facebook:Defend YM
Instagram: @defendyoungminds
Twitter: @defendYM
Bryan and Bonnie Pue are the founders and leaders of The Union Movement. As a young man, Bryan was into the party scene - depressed, angry and addicted to porn. Meanwhile, Bonnie was the homeschooled Christian teen whose naivety was shattered by the sexual sin of a church leader. Though their backgrounds were vastly different, they were both deeply impacted by sexual brokenness.
As they found restoration and freedom, their passion grew to help others find wholeness and to strengthen churches and ministries who desire to do the same. They created The Union Movement for this purpose.
Union Movement Website: UnionMovement.com
Crystal Renaud Day is a pastoral counselor, certified coach, podcast host, author, and speaker with over 15 years of experience working with women facing pornography and other unwanted sexual behavior. Crystal owns and operates Living on Purpose Coaching & Pastoral Counseling and is the founding director of SheRecovery, an online ministry helping women overcome porn and sexual addiction. She has authored several books including 90 Days to Wholeness and Dating Done Right. Crystal resides in the Kansas City area with her husband Tim.
Crystal’s Website: SheRecovery.com
Crystal’s Books: 90 Days to Wholeness:: A Porn Addiction Recovery Devotional and Coloring Journal for Women and Dating Done Right: Pursuing Relationships on Purpose
Matt Krieg, MA, LPC is a licensed therapist in the state of Michigan, connecting with many individuals and couples to develop more compassion and curiosity toward themselves and others, specifically around the topics of sexuality and marriage. Along with his wife, Laurie, Matt co-hosts the Hole in my Heart Podcast, and also co-authored the book, An Impossible Marriage.
Matt & Laurie’s Podcast: Hole In My Heart Podcast
Books Matt recommended: Unwanted: How Sexual Brokenness Reveals Our Way to Healing by Jay Stringer and The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves by Curt Thompson.
We were delighted to host Dr. Juli Slattery this week on Liberator.
Dr. Juli Slattery is a clinical psychologist, author, speaker and the president/co-founder of Authentic Intimacy.
From 2008-2012, Dr. Slattery served at Focus on the Family writing, teaching, and co-hosting the Focus on the Family Broadcast. In 2012, she left Focus on the Family to start Authentic Intimacy, a ministry devoted to reclaiming God’s design for sexuality. In 2020, Juli launched SexualDiscipleship.com, a platform designed to help Christian leaders navigate sexual issues and questions with gospel-centered truth. Juli is the author of twelve books and host of the weekly podcast “Java with Juli.”
Authentic Intimacy Website: authenticintimacy.com
Juli’s Podcast: Java with Juli
This week we are happy to welcome Jacob Valk and John-Michael Bout, filmmakers of the documentary, Into The Light. Into The Light is a Teaching Documentary on freedom from pornography that walks through the fundamentals of change from bondage in sin to freedom in Christ. This documentary is a hope-filled, Gospel-centered resource for individuals and churches.
Our conversation will explore the motivations behind the creation of the documentary, as well as the power of self-reflection in breaking free from addiction.
Into The Light website: intothelightdocumentary.com
To kick-off Season 3 we have our friend and licensed therapist, Jason VanRuler on the show. Jason began his career in 2011 and has worked with many populations over the years, ranging from persons who are incarcerated to top CEOs, performers and artists, and just about everyone in between. Jason has extensive experience as a clinician, coach, and speaker and operates a multistate private practice. He has an engaged and rapidly growing online audience for his insightful, short videos sharing practical tips for psychological care, self-help, and healthy relationships. Jason joins us to share his thoughts on intimacy, trust, and cultivating connection in our relationships.
Jason’s Website: jasonvr.com
Jason’s Book: Get Past Your Past: How Facing Your Broken Places Leads to True Connection
Dr. Meg Meeker is a pediatrician who is widely recognized as one of the country’s leading authorities on parenting, teens and children’s health. With appearances on numerous nationally syndicated radio and TV programs, her popularity as an expert on key issues confronting families has created a strong following across America. Her work with countless families over the years served as the inspiration behind her best-selling books which include Strong Fathers, Strong Daughters, Strong Mothers, Strong Sons and The Ten Habits of Happy Mothers. She resides in northern Michigan where she shares a medical practice with her husband, Walter. They have four grown children and four grandchildren.
Dr. Meeker’s Website: Meekerparenting.com
Resources Dr. Meeker mentioned:
Gabb Phone, Gizmo Watch, Steve Arterburn: New Life Ministries, American Girl Books, Focus on The Family: Parenting, and Medical Institute for Sexual Health.
Sathiya Sam is an author, coach, and speaker that helps men live with confidence and integrity. A recovered addict himself, Sathiya is the creator of DeepClean – a research-based and Bible-backed system for overcoming porn addiction. This work has helped everyone from college students to medical doctors regain control of their lives and walk in greater levels of freedom. Based out of Toronto, Canada, Sathiya is happily married and a die-hard basketball fan.
Resources Sathiya Mentioned: Unleash The Man Within Podcast
Sathiya’s Book: The Last Relapse: Realize Your Potential, Reclaim Intimacy, and Resolve the Root Issues of Porn Addiction
Mo (Isom) Aiken is a New York Times bestselling author, speaker and blogger. Not only an accomplished writer, Mo was an All-American goalkeeper for the Louisiana State University soccer team, as well as the first female to train with and tryout for an SEC men's football team. Mo speaks nationally and internationally on a variety of faith-based topics and facilitates a faith-centered blog that has garnered millions of views to date. Mo joins us to tell the incredible story of God’s intervention in the midst of her pain, and the fierce joy of knowing Jesus through our struggles.
*We had some audio issues with our mics, and Chelsea and Layton sound like they’re recording in an aquarium. Thank God Mo sounds great! Thank you all for your patience and understanding!
Mo’s website: moisom.com
Mo’s books: Wreck My Life, Sex, Jesus, and the Conversations the Church Forgot, and Fully Known An Invitation to True Intimacy with God.
Resources Mo mentioned: Jackie Hill Perry Website, Holy Sexuality and the Gospel by Christopher Yuan, Dr. Juli Slattery, and Preston Sprinkle.
Steve Etner is a national men's speaker, author of five books, and a Purity Coach. His conferences, seminars and retreats focus on what God has to say about the way we think and the impact it has on our behavior. Teaching men how to live in moral purity by equipping them with Biblical answers, Steve's goal is for men to have a re-ignited passion for Jesus and learn how to prepare their minds to successfully overcome their temptations and thus live pure lives for Christ.
In short, the focus of Steve's ministry is all about helping men become hungry to live in purity - passionate for God's Word and aware of the practical answers from Scripture that make it all possible.
Steve’s Website: Thepuritycoach.com
Steve’s Books: Extreme Mind Makeover: How to Transform Sinful Thoughts and Patterns into God-Pleasing Habits, The Point of Purity Workbook, Are You A Super Man?: Becoming God's Man of Steel, The Pure Man Devotional Guide: A Biblical Toolbox for Purity, and Overcoming Temptation: 4 Steps To Spiritual Victory.
Steve’s Phone Number: (574)-360-1141.
Danny Ray and Kimberly Thompson have been married for 26 years and are devoted to doing whatever it takes for their marriage. Danny is one of the world’s premier illusionists and has amazed thousands of audiences worldwide. Yet, he is far more than entertainment — Danny and his team bring the powerful and transforming message of the Gospel to every show he performs. Kimberly has worked behind the scenes partnering in Danny’s act for over two decades. She recently obtained her Masters in Counseling Psychology and began working as an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist. Together they host the “We Do Whatever It Takes” podcast.
Danny and Kimberly join us to discuss the hard work of protecting marriages against porn, as well as how to communicate with grace and compassion in the midst of pain.
Danny Ray & Kimberly’s Podcast: We Do Whatever It Takes
Danny Ray’s Book: No, I Can’t Make Your Wife Disappear: A Magician’s Guide for a Magical Marriage
Danny Ray’s Website: DannyRayMagic.com
Danny Ray Performing Illusions: Penn and Teller: Fool Us, Danny at The Magic Castle
Sam Black is a former journalist and current Director of Recovery Education for Covenant Eyes; he understands the stronghold pornography can have on an individual’s life. His new book The Healing Church actively addresses these issues and provides clear guidance for ministry leaders as they support those who seek to live in freedom. Sam joins us to discuss his motivations for writing the book, as well as resources he recommends to equip the church in the battle against porn.
Resources Sam Mentioned:
The Healing Church: What Churches Get Wrong about Pornography and How to Fix It
The Samson Society, She Recovery, Protect Young Eyes, Good Pictures Bad Pictures, Intoxicated on Life, and Honest Talk by John W. Fort.
Jessica Harris is the founder of the Beggars Daughter ministry and author of the books Beggars daughter, and Quenched: Quenched: Discovering God’s Abundant Grace for Women Struggling with Pornography and Sexual Shame released in 2023.
Sharing her story has grown to encompass much more than just one woman’s struggle with pornography. She writes and speaks about pornography, online safety, and how to talk about sex in the church.
Resources Jessica Mentioned: Quenched, by Jessica Harris
Every Woman a Theologian website with Phylicia Masonheimer
Jessica’s website: Beggar's Daughter
Bob and Dannah Gresh are bestselling authors and leaders of the Pure Freedom, True Girl, and Born to Be Brave ministries. They join us to talk about Dannah's newest book, Happily Even After, and the incredible redemption story of their marriage.
Resources Dannah mentioned: Healing Your Marriage When Trust Is Broken, by Cindy Beall
Dannah’s website: Dannah Gresh, Pure Freedom Ministries
Richie Henson has over a decade of experience working in youth ministry and currently serves as the Senior High Pastor at New Hope Community Church. Today he joins us to field questions about pornography submitted by students aged from Junior High to College.
Questions Covered in This Episode:
- What constitutes porn and is there porn that is ok?
- Does the Bible have anything to say about porn other than the basics about sex and lust?
- What do I do if I find out my siblings watching porn?
- I feel shame and want out but don’t trust my parents to handle it well
- Should I break up with my boyfriend if he's watching porn regularly?
- If I send my boyfriend pictures, will he stop watching porn?
Podcast Richie Referenced:
Asking For a Friend Podcast
Join us as we unpack more of our journey and detail some of the initial steps we took towards healing. Your story might not look exactly like ours, but it can be redeemed like ours has.
Phylicia Masonheimer is a bestselling author, Bible teacher, and host of the Verity podcast. Her blog and shop, Every Woman a Theologian, exists to teach Christians how to know what they believe and live that out boldly. Phylicia walks us through her story of being introduced to erotica at a young age and the importance of finding her true identity in Christ. We also discuss the advantages of accountability and fellowship in our lives.
Resources:
Podcast Phycilia Referenced: Verity Podcast with Phylicia Masonheimer
Books Phylicia Referenced: A Gospel Primer for Christians by Milton Vincent and Christian Cosmo by Phylicia Masonheimer.
Jeff Carter, PT, MBA, is the Owner of Apogee Therapy Center (atcforme.com), a Functional Medicine and Integrative Health Therapy Center. Jeff will draw on his years of experience and passion for research to unpack how pornography creates addiction in the brain, as well as steps we can take to break free.
Resources Jeff Referenced:
The Hacking of the American Mind:The Science Behind the Corporate Takeover of Our Bodies and Brains by Robert H. Lustig (Neuro-Endocrinologist)
How an Addicted Brian Works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5LH634W8s
Jeremy Bilderback MA, LLPC is a close friend and mentor. He has earned his Masters in Counseling from Grand Rapids Theological Seminary. Jeremy will be talking with us about how pornography acts as a damaging imitation of real relational connection.
Kimi Moody is a student at Anderson University and has served as a camp counselor and youth leader for over four years in northern Michigan. She brings experience and passion to us from her relationship and mentorship of young girls. She is giving voice to the importance of building trust with kids and students.
Tim Manzer is the Care Pastor at New Hope Community Church in Northern Michigan. Tim has decades of experience in counseling and mentorship.
We’re so happy you’re here! Please join us as we share our goals for this series and discuss why we wanted to start the conversation about the effects of pornography. We’re here for you.
Join Chelsea and Layton as they discuss pornography’s hard truths through the lens of stories, science, and Scripture. Liberator Podcast was created to remove the barriers of shame and embarrassment that stifle conversations and community around the effects of pornography. We look forward to earning your trust.