TraegerMethod Podcast: Recent Episodes
Jason Traeger
West Coast America-centric punk / indie cultural history as told by the people who lived it with a dose of mindfulness and non-duality talk. Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
Episode 92 is finally here, featuring the return of musician, DC punk and now AUTHOR Seth Lorinczi.
Last time we spoke back on Ep 62 we said we’d talk again when his book was released and I’m happy so say that day has come!
Writing show notes is my absolute least favorite part of making this podcast so here’s my first show notes written in with ChatGPT:
Episode Overview
In this episode of the TraegerMethod Podcast, host Jason Traeger sits down with Seth Lorinczi, the author of the captivating new book, Death Trip: A Post-Holocaust Psychedelic Memoir. This episode delves into the transformative power of psychedelic plant medicines and how they have helped Seth navigate and heal from the deep-seated ancestral trauma stemming from the Holocaust.
About the Guest
Seth Lorinzci is a debut author whose first book, Death Trip, is garnering attention for its honest and compelling narrative. Seth's journey is one of profound personal healing and exploration, offering readers a front-row seat into his experiences with psychedelic therapies. His work is not just a memoir but a guide and inspiration for those looking to understand the intersection of trauma, healing, and consciousness.
Book Spotlight: Death Trip: A Post-Holocaust Psychedelic Memoir
Seth’s memoir takes readers on a journey through his encounters with various psychedelic medicines such as MDMA, 5-Meo-DMT and Ayahuasca. This book is a page-turner, combining gripping storytelling with profound insights into the human psyche and the healing process. Death Trip explores:
- Ancestral Trauma: How the trauma of previous generations, specifically the Holocaust, can continue to affect descendants.
- Psychedelic Plant Medicines: The role these substances play in therapeutic and spiritual contexts.
- Personal Transformation: Seth's personal growth and healing as he confronts and integrates his familial pain.
Now this is me again. We also talk about the newly released LP of demos by Seth’s teenage garage rock punk band The Vile Cherubs ‘Lysergic Lamentations’ OUT NOW on LG Records
I love talking with Seth and his book is absolutely fantastic!
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Notes:
Seth Lorinczi
The Vile Cherubs LG Records
Michael Galinsky Saved by Sarno
US and the Holocaust film by Ken Burns
Seth Speaks book I mentioned.
Music:
The Vile Cherubs 'The Man with the Photograph'
Circus Lupus 'Super Genius'
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Episode 91 is a conversation with New York based artist, musician, curator, zine maker, scene maker Rich Jacobs.
After having moved in often overlapping punk rock/DIY friend circles for the better parts of our lives, I’m happy to say Rich and I finally got to know one another in the early days of the pandemic talking over the phone, just like we're doing here.
This episode covers his early years, discovering punk rock as a preteen in the early eighties, his family’s moves from So Cal to the Pacific Northwest, where he saw his first punk show, and then to Colorado where he started his first band Atomic Dilemma.
We talk about the punk rock zine culture we both were a part of and the skateboard/straightedge zine scene he cut his teeth in. Rich traces a line from these early publishing efforts to the work he is doing today; creating books of his paintings and drawings as well as acting as an art director on a forthcoming retrospective of the graphic work of our friend, the brilliant late artist/musician Rick Froberg.
Along the way he pays tribute to many friends, collaborators and influences who have enriched his life and informed his ideas about art and music making and Rich shares some of his strategies for finding joy in an imperfect world.
I really enjoyed talking with Rich and I hope you find the conversation as inspiring and enjoyable as I did.
Thanks for listening!
REST IN POWER GARY FLOYD
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LINKS:
Rich Jacobs @movezine Instagram
The art of Marian Zazeela
Tim Kerr’s Music
Music:
Big Boys ‘Red/Green’ from Live at Raul’s
Atomic Dilemma ’Scars’
Tim Kerr with Rich Jacobs ‘One Foot in Front of the Other’
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TraegerMethod podcast has finally made it to the 90’s!
Appropriately Ep.90 is a conversation with a friend I met in the Olympia scene of the 1990’s; punk rock n’ roll multi-instrumentalist powerhouse Jessica Espeleta.
She shares the story of how she arrived in Oly as a teenager when she was recruited to give the scene a try by the guys in Lync after a show they played at 924 Gilman where she was volunteering. Her decision to jump in the van not only led to a new town but it also marked the beginning of a lifelong friendship and frequent collaboration with Lync’s Sam Jayne in Love As Laughter or LAL, the moniker under which he’d make music for the rest of his life.
We recorded this conversation on what would have been Sam’s 50th birthday and to celebrate his memory she shares some stories of their days together recording and touring and describes the impact their friendship has had on her life.
Jessica has been in too many bands to name but I’ll name a few, that come up in our conversation: WitchyPoo (with Slim Moon), Weird War (with Ian and Michelle from The Make-Up and Niel Haggerty of Royal Trux), Frenchie and The German Girls (with Tobi and Maggie Vail), and SO many more….she and I even played together in a hardcore band called the Reagan Years .
Today ‘Jesspo’ lives in Los Angeles where she plays bass with Bart and the Bedazzled and Wayne Faler and works hard everyday to keep the flame alive in the big city. We love her for it.
Thanks for listening. Enjoy the conversation!
Links: Jessica's Instagram
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Music in order:
Love As Laughter 'Nude Hose'
Reagan Years 'Cold War of My Own'
Lync 'Pennies to Save'
Black Fork 'Live in Rapid City'
Seasick Steve 'Live @ Hardly Strictly Blues Fest'
Bart and the Bedazzled 'Blue Motel' Live
Soddamn Inssein 'Live'
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Episode 89 marks the return Chris Squire for part 2 of our series that tells a history of San Diego punk through the life and lens of one of the scene’s legends.
Our conversation picks up where the last one left off in the latter part of 80’s toward the end of Squire’s high school career and the end of the old school SD punk scene. Part 2 moves into the acid drenched, post-hardcore years that in many ways were just as wild and wooly as the earlier period but were far more experimental and far out.
Squire shares his thoughts on the origins of the SD sound as he traces its way from the ground zero guitar work of Battalion of Saints’ Chris Smith filtered through the hands of his brother-by-another-mother Jon Reis who continues to spreads its gospel far and wide to this day with his many musical projects.
Chris and I recorded this conversation before the very recent, tragic and unexpected death of Mike Denny aka Mike Down of Amenity / Forced Down in a cycling accident. I mention in the intro that I got Mike’s contact information from Squire at the end of our talk and was planning to have him on the pod soon but sadly this wasn’t to be. Chris tells the story of how it was he who suggested to Amenity that Mike become their singer after Squire sang with the band at one of their practices. I’m glad we could share some memories of Mike here and we will do so again when we speak next time. RIP Mike Denny
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LINKS: Chris Squire Instagram
Music:
Battalion of Saints '2nd Coming' (with Squire on Guitar)
Amenity 'Follow'
Amenity 'This Is Our Struggle'
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Episode 88 marks the return of TM Pod’s VERY FIRST guest Los Angeles based creative / clown Paul Schlesinger.
Paul is one of my best friends and favorite collaborators so it’s a special pleasure to catch up with him in the pod context. Our conversation focuses on his life today learning, producing and performing in the very happening LA ‘clown community’.
He explains that modern clowning has roots stretching back to European traditional clowning and the circus clowns which most of us think of when we hear the word ‘clown’ but that it is also informed by the worlds of performance art, experimental theater, stand-up and improv as well.
This talk couldn’t have come at a better moment for me with my very recent return to stand-up comedy. I hope it is just as interesting for you, dear listener.
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Links:
Paul Schlesinger Instagram
clownpoems Instagram
Eddie Pepitone comedy
Secret Room Press
Music:
Inside Miracles /Paul Schlesinger w/Jason Traeger
'Summer'
'Alt Break-up Song'
'Universe (Lovely Gift of Life)'
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The podcast is back. We were gone for a spell. Now we’re back. Episode 87 finds us easing back into the podwaters with a low-key ‘comfort food’ conversation between myself and TMpod regular Sean Kelly (father, Tight Bros From Way Back When, SUBPOP, K Records, west coast punk rock real one)
We share a warm hearted conversation that touches on the joy of vinyl records, old guitars, self directed programs of learning and growing and other stuff that confirms we are walking, talking embodied cliches of late middle aged Portland music/culture guys.
It’s all love and light with some very tiny dustings of existential horror and dread on top to keep things balanced. Thank you so much for listening and for supporting the pod. WE LOVE YOU.
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LINKS of stuff mentioned in episode:
Gossip
Language Transfer
Merle Travis
Los Escarabajos
Hipgnosis Documentary
MUSIC:
Intro:Come Closer ‘Castle Walls’ from 'We Died with Print' LP
Segue: Tight Bros From Way Back When ‘Hurricane’
Outro: Be Fair ‘Hadfield 5’
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Hello and welcome!
Our ‘Legends of San Diego Punk’ series continues on the pod…
Episode 86 is a conversation with one of the great flyer artists of early 80’s ‘Slow Death’ scene, the very talented artist / tattooer Bobby Lane.
Bobby paints a picture of his experiences going to his first shows as a teenager in 1980 just as the ‘hardcore’ era was adding a new even more aggressive and stripped down feel to the punk/new wave style that came before.
He shares memories of San Diego / Los Angeles punk graphic masters Mad Marc Rude and Shawn Kerri. Two greats whose styles informed his own and pretty much every other punk who’s ever picked up a pen in their wake, myself included.
We talk about tattooing in San Diego and the evolution of the craft from the earlier period of wall flash, sailors and bikers to the modern era of bespoke designs and market saturation.
We go on to discuss how the rebellious spirit at the heart of punk naturally leads to endless cycles of orthodoxy and overthrow as new generations reimagine, reinvent and make it their own. He cites SD experimental/ecstatic collective/band Crash Worshipas the embodiment of this spirit without any of the proscribed stylistic cues.
I know you’ll enjoy listening as much as I enjoyed talking with Bobby. I look forward to having him back on the pod soon.
Thank you for listening!
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LINKS
Bobby's Instagram
In reference to my episode intro:
Israel/Palestine vids from AJ+
How Israel Was Created
How Israel Automated Occupation in Hebron
Palestinian voice: Noura Erakat
Dr Gabor Mate On Trauma
Music:
Bobby's band Cholla
Crash Worship live in Bremen 1996
TMpod theme by Jason
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Hello and Welcome, dear listener.
Episode 86 is the beginning of a conversation with San Diego punk legend Chris Squire. Chris has done it all, he’s run a record label, booked bands, done sound production, and he’s either sung, played bass, guitar or drums in a ton of bands; PG13, The Tori Cobras, Belle Cora, Tit Wrench, Tiltwheel, Battalion of Saints, Russian Tremors, Kerosene, Tar Halos, Dark Sarcasm, TV Eye, Digital Leather, Bizarro Son, No Laughing Matter, Dog Boy, Royal Pains, Half On Tongue, Sloog, Blades, Unit Unit, Go Go Lords, King Wheelie, Plasticman, Cholla … to name most of them?
Part one of the Squire story really starts around 1980 when he begins attending The San Diego School of the Creative and Performing Arts where he meets his guitar and boombox toting soon to be lifelong friend John Reis who introduces him to Dead Kennedys and Black Flag and sets him on a course that takes us through to Chris starting his first band PG13 later in the 80’s. Amazingly, the first hardcore show he attends in 1984 is an Aggression and Ill Repute show at Fairmount Hall that my friends and I produced! A very cool factoid I did not know.
Along the way, as Chris’ story unfolds we get a road map of the SD punk family tree in the 80's that is a really great historical record, told in his engaging and colorful style the conversation is as compelling and entertaining as it is information dense.
I’m glad to share this episode with you all and I’m looking forward to part two as well!
Thank you for listening and for supporting the podcast!
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Music:
Fishwife: 'Chad' (feat. Squire name drop)
Conservative Itch: live in '86 pulled from Youtube
TMpod theme by Jason
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Episode 84 is a conversation between myself, Lia Friedman and Britt Neubacher celebrating the life of artist and musician Rick Froberg.
Lia and Britt have been friends for decades and the two were close friends of Rick’s going back to the 80’s. Britt tells us how in recent years her relationship with Rick transformed into an intimate partnership that she felt was still only beginning at the time of his untimely death. While Britt is a new friend of mine, I’ve known Lia since we were classmates at San Dieguito HS in Encinitas, California.
The two share their memories of coming of age in the vital and influential North County San Diego punk/post-hardcore scene of the 80’s and 90’s, a scene that produced bands like Crash Worship, Heavy Vegetable, Boilermaker, powerdresser and Rick’s bands Pitchfork and Drive Like Jehu among others.
Of course, most of the conversation focuses on celebrating the immensely talented, perpetually intellectually curious, self-educated, complicated genius that was Rick Froberg the man and the artist and musician.
Rick Froberg Forever!
Links:
RickFrobergForever instagram
Britt Neubacher's Tend Project
Lia Friedman instagram
Deathlesss Neverborn Podcast
powerdresser
Heavy Vegetable
Boilermaker
Music:
Hot Snakes: Audit in Progress
Big Boys: Red/Green
TMpod theme by Jason
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Episode 83 is a conversation with prolific podcaster and veteran DC punk Brian Gathy.
Brian is co-host of End On End, a pod that examines every Discord Records title in the order they were released, he also singlehandedly produces and hosts The Unanimous Hour dedicated to deciphering the fractal brilliance of DC band Lungfish’s catalog of songs as well as Dweller On the Threshold which explores the music of Van Morrison.
Our conversation touches on those projects but the bulk of our talk focuses on a new podcast (my second, his FOURTH) that we discuss and name during the course of this episode. The new pod will be called Deathless Neverborn and is dedicated to exploring what might be called ‘the spiritual journey’ primarily from a Buddhist and Non-dual perspective.
Having just met, we share how the idea for the pod came to be and we open up about some of the formative experiences that have shaped our lives and led us to want to make a pod like DN.
So here it is dear listener, the birth of Deathless Neverborn podcast!
Thank you SO MUCH for listening and for supporting the pod!
Traegermethod Patreon
Music:
Rites of Spring 'End On End'
Jason Traeger 'Neutralize Existence'
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Episode 82 is a free-form conversation with TMpod bestie Sean Kelly (Tight Bros From Way Back When bassist, Derrick Tape originator, Father etc.)
Together we talk: Sean's pre-punk years as a Marine kid moving around, Toronto radio in the early 80's, San Diego 'Alternative' format pioneer 91X, the lives and careers of Sinead O'Connor and Pee Wee Herman, UFO/UAP disclosure, the horrors of Late-Stage Capitalism, and our mutual rediscovered love of playing music and musical gear among other subjects.
Content warning: We also get into some talk about pain and suicide. Hopefully we handle the subject respectfully but thought I'd let you know we do talk about it.
Thank you so much for listening!
Show note links:
Maui Fire Support
Rev Left Radio Podcast
Wildfire Project
Blindboy Podcast
The Intercept article
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Music:
91X clip from 08/01/1984
Pee Wee Playhouse theme by Mark Mothersbaugh, Paul Reubens and George McGrath
Closing YouTube clip by James Rundle
TMpod theme by Jason
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Hello Deathless Neverborn,
I had to toss a conversation with previous TM pod guest Don Ankrom because of some technical difficulties (aka heavy nose breathing on my part and a non-stop barking wiener dog named Enzo) so I am offering TM pod listeners a remix of that episode's introduction with some of my music thrown in for color and intrigue. It's a new twist on the podcast you love. ...you do love it right?
Some links of people and places mentioned in the episode:
Host of the open mic I played Johnny Franco
Place I played the open mic: Craft Factory
Place I played a show: Mother Foucault's Books
Poet Dehlia Ackley
Musician Caspar Sonnet
TMPOD PATREON
Music by Jason
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Episode 80 is a celebration of Rick Froberg's life and a celebration of life in general. I'm flying solo here, strolling down memory lane on a summer morning.
When I started the TMpod I did so with the goal of connecting and reconnecting with old friends and sharing those conversations with whoever might want to listen. Rick was an early guest (Episode 15) because he was top of my list of people I wanted to reconnect with. I loved the guy even though we hadn't hung out in years. I always took special joy in making him laugh and we did laugh together again on that episode which felt great.
I had Rick's name on my list of guests I wanted to have back on the pod but was waiting until the new Hot Snakes record was out to have him on again, I see now that was a mistake. Lesson learned: don't wait!
Much love to all Rick's family, friends and fans. His memory, music and art live on in all of us who have been touched by his life and work.
Thanks for listening and for supporting the pod!
LINKS:
Tour Stories Podcast tribute to Rick Froberg
Plants of the Gods Podcast
Snowmade
I got the name of this shop wrong, it's not Blue Moon Music it's Moonlight Music
William S. Burrough's Dream machine
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TM pod theme by Jason
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TraegerMethod Pod Episode 79 celebrates the return of writer, NO IDOLS HC kingpin Tony Rettman!
Tony has literally written the book on hardcore punk having penned three crucial books on the subject; NYHC: New York Hardcore 1980-1990 , Straight Edge and his first book Why Be Something That You’re Not: Detroit Hardcore 1979-1985. That book is about to be reissued in a new edition on June 21st through Revelation Records.Tony will have 100 signed copies with the rare green cover available through his NO IDOLS site, so be quick!
(LINKS BELOW!)
Before we get into the book, we talk about Tony’s life today living with multiple health concerns, the foremost of which is cancer. He shares some funny stories from the frontlines and some wisdom learned in the process of dealing with everything. I know all us TM Pod people wish him well and I’m grateful he shared his experience with us.
I've been obsessed with The Sopranos since I started rewatching it when I had Covid. Tony and I discuss the show and and we get some insight into New Jersey culture from one who has definitely lived it. I really enjoyed talking with Tony and I know you’ll dig listening! Thank you again Tony for joining me and THANK YOU TO ALL TM POD SUPPORTERS AND LISTENERS. If you like the pod, please tell a friend.
Music:
Negative Approach 'Nothing'
The Fix 'Vengeance'
TM pod theme by Jason
LINKS:
BUY THE BOOK
NO IDOLS
Support the pod:
PATREON
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As the episode title suggests Episode 78 is The Very Special ‘Jason finally got Covid 19’ Special episode of the TM pod.
A solo thang recorded straight from my sick bed, in it I share some body sounds and assorted horror, tales of the virus, live music reviews, thoughts on my own musical journey and our entertainment saturated culture and some of my current flix pix from the streaming services. I also celebrate the lives and music of Tina Turner and Elliot Smith.
Heretofore and furthermore I share an account of an algorithmic journey I took on YouTube that went from researching my Covid related ear-clicking condition middle ear myoclonus to exploring the culture and music of Newfoundland where I encountered the music of NF folk revivalists The Dardanelles and the much celebrated keeper of the flame of NF folk music the late Rufus Guinchard. All this by way of via Brian Johnson of AC/DC.
It’s a hell of ride and we live, love, laugh and (almost) cry along the way. So mask up and strap in for the ride.
Thank you SO MUCH for listening and for supporting the pod.
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If you can't contribute but you like what I do PLEASE TELL A FRIEND about the pod.
Much love and gratitude to you all, each and everyone.
LINKS:
Rufus Guinchard
His music
The Dardanelles
Saloli
Deja Bleu
You can just look up 'middle ear myoclonus' if you want to go deeper into my ear situation.
Music:
Plain Wrap ‘Red Light’
The Dardanelles: (doing a tune from a live performance on Youtube, no title was given)
Rufus Guinchard: (also doing an unnamed tune from a short CBC news documentary from the early 80's on YouTube)
TM pod theme REMIX by Jason
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Hello and welcome and HAPPY SPRING.
Episode 77 is the return of Hutch Harris to the pod. We talk about the formation of his new band Clear Rivers with Jordan Hudson the original drummer of his beloved former band The Thermals. The band's recently released self titled LP is out now and it's a smash that listeners must check out. We also talk pretty extensively about psychedelics and the pro's and cons of altered states of mind. There's also a bit of discussion of home recording and the differences between 'lo-fi' and 'hi-fi lo-fi'
It's great to have Hutch back on the pod, the episode is a lot of fun and I thank you very much for listening and for SUPPORTING THE POD!
LINKS:
Clear Rivers
Hutch's instagram
TraegerMethod podcast PATREON
Music:
Clear Rivers 'Dead Star' and 'You're Not Here'
TMpod theme by Jason
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Here's a different way to do show notes.
EPISODE 76
Intro: Spring has arrived. Mindfulness.
GUEST: Marc Maxey
Bio: bass / guitar / singer Justice League, Pollen
Art, The Killing Flame, Slothfist
Co-owner (with Justice League bandmate Ryan Hoffman) of Quiet Panic Records
Date/Place of our first meeting:
Southern California Early/mid 1980’s
Conversation notes:
Inland Empire/Pomona punk history:
Toxic Shock Records
Fartblossom Records / Bob Durkee
Straight edge hardcore history.
Reno punk history.
San Diego punk history.
Los Angeles punk history
Violence at shows.
Tour stories.
1980’s punk
MUSIC
Pollen Art 'Damn Jam'
Justice League 'Shattered Dreams'
TMpod theme by Jason
LINKS
Marc's instagram
Quiet Panic Records
Mindpower Records
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND FOR SUPPORTING THE PODCAST!
PATREON
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Hello and welcome!
Episode 75 is a conversation with my old friend, Texas / Bay Area punk legend Gary Floyd. Possessing one of the most distinctive, soulful voices of the first wave of US hardcore punk fronting his band The Dicks Gary was always more than a singer; he was a trailblazing ‘out’ queer icon from the get-go.
I mean just consider what it meant to be punk band in Texas called ‘The Dicks’ with a communist hammer and sickle in their logo fronted by a singer who at times looked like a down-home version of Divine singing songs about hating the police at the dawn of the Reagan era. That is hardcore. Gary was always a rebel among the rebels.
In our conversation we talk about the dawn of The Dicks, his life before that, and his move to San Francisco where The Dicks became The SF Dicks and later morphed into Sister Double Happiness.
If you haven’t already watched the documentary ‘The Dicks from Texas’ by Cindy Marabito I highly recommend you do so to learn more about Gary and the Austin scene he was instrumental in building at the end of the 70’s.
Thank you all for listening and for supporting the pod!!
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Gary's Facebook
Music:
Butthole Surfers ‘Gary Floyd’
The Dicks ‘Rich Daddy’
The Dicks ‘Legacy of Man’
Sister Double Happiness ‘Freight Train’
The Dicks ‘Hate the Police’
TM Pod theme by Jason
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It has been my great privilege to count this week’s guest low-end legend Christopher Sutton as a friend for near three decades now. Episode 74 marks his TMpod debut, the first of many appearances I hope!
The conversation starts at the beginning, wherein we meet a young Chris in the 80’s walking down the strip mall streets of his hometown of Lacey, WA carrying his new $208 bass guitar toward home where he would begin practicing his hair metal bass shredding.
It wasn’t until his mom insisted he and his friend Dan check out a music festival happening downtown that he had any inkling that he lived in a punk rock epicenter. All that changed the moment they stepped out of the car to check out the International Pop Underground Festival.
It wasn’t long before he met IPU creator, K Records founder Calvin Johnson while recording with Oly ska band Engine 54 and was swept away on a musical odyssey that continues to this day and has taken him around the world beginning with Calvin’s Dub Narcotic Sounds System continuing with C.O.C.O, The Gossip, The Dirt Bombs, Chain and the Gang to name a few.
Always a prolific musician, Chris has recently released a collection of selected solo tunes on the Antiquated Future label created between 1998 and 2019 called you brought me back from the dead. It's great listening and I urge you to seek it out either in it's cassette form or streaming on all the web places!
Enjoy my conversation with Chris!
LINKS:
Antiquated Future
Bandcamp
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Music:
Christopher Sutton 'We're So Ugly' 'Baby Ornette' and 'Love Dub'
We also feature a short excerpt from The Transfused musical recorded live in Olympia in 2000.
TMpod theme by Jason
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We’ve had run of Olympia music history episodes on the pod but with this one we’re heading south on i-5 and sprinkling in some stand-up comedy history.
Episode 73 is a conversation with my good friend, stand-up comic and 90’s/00’s Portland punk Gabe Dinger.
Now based in Los Angeles, Gabe and I met in 2011 when we were both working the stand-up stages of Portland. Gabe was one of my favorite established comics on the scene and after becoming friends we bonded further on our shared punk history.
He tells us about his preteen punk awakening in the Nu metal era. After being informed by a skater friend that there was more to punk than Green Day he followed the breadcrumbs left by bands like 7 Seconds and the DK’s to discover a vital current Portland scene centered around all ages Stage Four club and his high school punk band (and Recess Records' artists) Berserk.
From there we explore Gabe’s bio as a stand-up comic and the history of the Portland comedy scene that has helped develop many well known comics of today like Shane Torres, Ian Karmel, Amy Miller (TMpod ep. 31), and Gabe's tourmate and bestie Ron Funches to name but a few.
Thanks for listening and for supporting the pod. Enjoy!
Gabe's Instagram
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Also mentioned:
Recess Records
SMEGMA Dives First into Punk Rock 1978/79 CD
Christopher Sutton 'You Brought Me Back From the Dead Cassette
Music:
Berserk: 'Traitor' and 'Die Questy Scum'
Theme by Jason
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So good to have Pete back on the pod.
This episode Pete Chramiec and I stretch the very definition of what a podcast can be. For instance, together we prove that a podcast CAN consist of two late-middle age men looking through some old stickers and flyers in real time.
We also demonstrate that if you space out a guest’s appearances it really doesn’t matter if we tell the same stories we’ve already talked about. Podcasting is a very intimate medium, I hope my voice feels like the voice of a friend even if we’ve never met. One thing I know about friendships, especially long term friendships: we tell and listen to the same stories a lot. So consider this episode a relaxed chill sesh with your friends Jason and Pete.
We do cover some new territory: we talk about the Unwound shows we recently caught, Pete tells us about the last couple Verbal Assault tours they did and I talk about the power of mindfulness when dealing with mood disorders. It’s a cool episode and I’m proud of it, so there!
Music:
Verbal Assault
‘Vicious Hippie’
‘Dead Society’
TM Theme by Jason
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It was a real thrill talking with Seattle punk/hardcore/thrash LEGEND Blaine Cook for episode 71.
As a kid coming of age in the pre-Grunge Seattle punk scene of the early 80’s, for me and my friends The Fartz set the standard of what it meant to be a hardcore band. Their name sometimes drew snickers from the uninitiated but the intensity of their live shows and recordings, which owed everything to Blaine’s guttural sandpaper delivery, immediately dispelled any idea that this was some kind of novelty punk act. They were as hardcore as it gets.
In our conversation Blaine and I talk Seattle music (and skateboarding) history, and we chronicle his four decade career fronting and snarling with The Fartz, proto-grunge pioneers 10 Minute Warning, crossover/punk/thrash mainstays The Accused and Toe Tag up to his work today with The Accused AD. He is the epitome of an uncompromising punk rock n roll survivor.
I’m so happy to be able to share this conversation with Blaine Cook.
Links:
Blaine Cook:
The Accused AD
Support the pod:
PATREON
Music:
The Fartz “You Got a Brain”
The Accused “Martha Splatterhead”
TM pod theme by Jason
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Episode 70 is a SOLO MINI-SODE.
I've decided that here in season/year three of the podcast I am going to release an interview episode and a solo episode alternating weekly.
If you subscribe and support the pod because you love the conversations I have with musicians, artists and friends NOTHING IS CHANGING you will still get an episode like that every other week, just like you've been getting. The difference is now you will ALSO be getting another episode in-between those ones.
These solo episodes will be more free-form in nature, they’ll likely be of a shorter duration and will be whatever I want them to be; funny, philosophical, musical, meditative, self-help etc.
This week’s episode I talk about overcoming resistance to doing things you know are good for you, I share some funny stories and I talk about how much I enjoyed seeing The Mona Reels live in Portland.
Thank you so much for listening and supporting the pod!
PATREON
The Mona Reels
Music:
The Mona Reels live in Portland at Dante’s 01/11/23
Background ambient:
Fluidscape by Kevin MacLeod | https://incompetech.com/
Music promoted by https://www.chosic.com/free-music/all/
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Episode 69 (...grow up) is a conversation with low-end god and Oly punk legend, Jared Warren. Jared has kept it heavy since high school where he met his KARP bandmates, the late Scott Jernigan and guitarist Chris Smith.
From those beginnings he has gone on to front and play in several legendary combos, The Tight Bros From Way Back When, The Whip, and his current and most enduring job fronting and playing bass in his Big Business , his mega-duo with drummer Cody Willis. Big Business joined forces for many years with The Melvins and did the seemingly impossible: made the legends of heavy even heavier.
Today he is looking forward to playing bass on the upcoming Unwound tour where he will stand in the spot where the late Vern Rumsey once stood. Jared tell us about his relationship with him, one that stretches back even before high school when he first met 'The Straw Haired Boy' at their mom’s Tupperware party as children.
CONTENT WARNING:
We also share some darkly funny stories of our time working together in Olympia with a developmentally disabled population some of whom were formerly institutionalized sex offenders. We don’t get into anything graphic but thought I should still mention it.
We also share even more harrowing stories of the time we started doing stand-up comedy in Seattle in the very late 90’s/ early 2000’s.
Please enjoy my conversation with Jared Warren!
support the pod: Patreon thank you!
Music: Karp ‘Bacon Industry’
Big Business ’No Vowels’
short excerpt at break: Silly Killers ‘Knife Manual’
TM theme by Jason
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HAPPY NEW YEAR TM POD LISTENERS!
This episode I say goodbye to 2022 and hello to 2023 with some reflections and projections on them both.
The bulk of the episode is dedicated to examining the non-dual perspective that has so informed and made possible the transformation I’ve experienced since a profound depressive episode at the end of 2021. Hopefully some of what I share is useful and helpful to listeners who might struggle with being ok and finding joy in their lives.
Here’s some of the names I mention in the episode:
‘Seeds of Consciousness’
‘I Am That’
collected talks by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Rupert Spira on Youtube
Wisdom of the Masters podcast
THANK YOU for listening and for supporting the pod!
Music:
Surreal Forest by Meydän | https://linktr.ee/meydan
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Creative Commons CC BY 4.0
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and
Serena (Longer Version) by Spheriá | https://soundcloud.com/spheriamusic
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Creative Commons CC BY-SA 3.0
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Episode 67 features the return of Tobi Vail to the pod! Last time she was on we spent most of the episode covering her musical / cultural biography, growing up punk rock in western Washington.
This time around we focus primarily on her life today, making music at home and in residencies with groups likeGirlsperm and Morgan and the Organ Donors when not touring the world with the newly reformedBikini Kill.
We hear her account of the fraught and sometimes alienating reality of touring in the Covid era and also how fun and exciting it is to be out there playing to the biggest crowds of her decades long career.
Tobi also shares with us her enthusiasm for a current crop of artists and the joy she finds pursuing a lifelong course of learning and growing both as a musician and scholar of music history.
It’s a fun and inspiring conversation, and I’m happy to share it with you, dear listener.
Music:
Bikini Kill ‘Hamster Baby’ Live at Capitol Theater, Olympia 11/09/22
Girlsperm ‘What Do I Do with My Guitar’
TMpod theme by Jason
SUPPORT THE POD THANK YOU:
PATREON
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Happy (American) Thanksgiving to all TM pod listeners! I’m delighted to say TM pod ep. 66 marks the first ever podcast appearance, here or anywhere else, of musician, friend, founding Unwound member Brandt Sandeno!
Brandt and I talk about his musical origin story beginning as a teen at Tumwater High School with his (pre-Unwound) Giant Henry bandmates Justin Trosper and Vern Rumsey. He describes how as a passionate guitarist, he was the band’s drummer out of necessity and was happy to turn over the throne to Sara Lund not long after G.H.’s name change.
Brandt went on to play keyboards with Unwound and would throughout the years frequently collaborate with Justin in other projects such as Survival Knife, The Young Ginns, Replikants among others. He shares a ton of great stories and paints a vivid picture of the influential Olympia music scene of the 80’s and 90’s from his perspective as a local kid growing up in that fertile place and time.
The two of us also get into some funny tales of our time as co-workers at K Records and in the halls of power at the Washington State capitol.
Hope you enjoy our conversation as much as I did making it. Thank you for listening!
Music:
Survival Knife 'Divine Mob'
Giant Henry 'Chris Jordan'
TM pod theme by Jason
Survival Knife
Unwound self titled LP featuring Brandt
Support the pod!
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The podcast is back baby! Artist, musician, dear friend of the pod, Tae Won Yu is also back! Season Three of the TMpod begins now with episode 65.
I certainly don’t need any special excuse to have Tae on the pod but I am very pleased to be able to have him on at this moment to celebrate the release of The Antiquarian Sticker Book: Imaginarium. The new third installment of his much beloved and successful series on MacMillan/Odd Dot.
Tae and I talk about the book and his process and experience gathering and creating the images that fill its pages. We discuss flow states, fallow states and the editorial thinking that must be kept at bay when the muse is at hand. Tae is a friend and artist I have admired and marveled at for decades now and it’s always inspiring to learn more about his thinking and process, I’m sure listeners will be similarly delighted to hear his take.
I also mention in the intro how much making and listening to music has been helping me through the challenging days I’ve been through recently. I have added a new feature to episodes this season: I will be playing a song at the end of each episode. Thanks for listening!
Music:
‘Milquetoast Brigade’ by The Go Team with Jeffery Kennedy
'The Best I Can Do' Song of the week by Jason
Support the pod:
Patreon
Additional links of stuff mentioned this episode:
Heart ‘Crazy on You’ Live 2013
Scandal: ‘The Warrior’ Live 2006
Adam Phillips talking about his book ’Missing Out’
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This week’s episode marks the return of pod favorite, old school San Diego ‘Slow Death’ punk and underground skate legend Andy Newton aka OMA aka Old Man Andy aka Lord Shanty.
Our freewheeling conversation takes the listener back to his pre-punk teenage years when he was listening to Ted Nugent, ditchin’ school, skating drainage ditches and smoking ditch weed as a member of The Chula Vista Cruisers skate team. Andy breaks down the legendary spots that preceded the arrival of the first skate parks in the San Diego area.
We dissect the blurry lines he navigated between Hard Rock, New Wave and Punk Rock and how in the end it doesn’t really matter as long as you’re stoked! There’s plenty of San Diego/Tijuana punk history with tales of beaches, the border, bands and of course brawls because this was ‘Slow Death’ one of the country’s most notoriously violent punk scenes in that rough and tumble late 70’s early 80’s era.
Be sure to check out Lord Shanty’s previous appearance on TM Pod episode 10 and follow him on instagram to keep up with his adventures carving the empty pools of Chula Vista today.
Thank you SO MUCH for listening and HUGE thank you to our Patreon and Anchor contributors!
LINKS
OMA instagram
mentioned in the pod:
'Friends of Shawn' Shawn Kerri instagram
Support the pod:
TM POD patreon
Music:
Battalion of Saints 'Cops Are Out'
Mad Society 'Riot Squad'
TM pod Theme by Jason
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The pod is back! This episode I let you all in on what’s been going on, how it’s going now and where the pod is going in the future. I explain how a couple of months ago pod momentum and all creative practices were derailed by a series of unforeseen illnesses in the family. Life suddenly got very focused on my immediate reality and not much else.
I share some of the practices and teachings that have helped me through this challenging time, specifically the guidance I’ve found in the straightforward, simple yet profound teachings of Pema Chodron author and American Buddhist nun trained in the Tibetan tradition. Her words about meditation, mindfulness, and loving awareness have been essential.
As I explain in the episode, along with my own contribution, I donated all the money I received from our generous pod supporters these two silent months to three GoFundMe’s. (THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!) Below you will find links to these very worthy campaigns if you’d like to contribute further.
From the bottom of my heart I’d like to thank you all for listening and sticking with the pod, it means so much to me. Stay tuned for many great guests in future weeks and months. Love you all!
Readings:
Chogyam Trungpa: 'Working with negativity'
Pema Chodron 'Comfortable with Uncertainty'
Pema Chodron 'How We get Hooked By Shenpa and How We Get Unhooked'
GoFundMe:
Rop Vasquez medical GoFundMe
Reuben Lorch-Miller medical GoFundme
Victims of Portland's February fascist gun attack GoFundMe
Music sample:
Code of Honor 'What Price Would Pay'
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I didn't plan on taking a pod hiatus but that's what happened! Feels good to be back with EPISODE 62 a conversation with my dear friend, author, bassist, DC Punk, Seth Lorinczi.
Our conversation covers how his early fascination with the 70's Mod Revival led him to 60's garage rock and punk before discovering and becoming enmeshed in the very vital, now-legendary harDCore scene happening right in his own backyard. Seth tells us about reuniting as a teenager with his childhood best friend Tim Green to form DC psyche-punk misfits The Vile Cherubs and how joining the recently relocated Circus Lupus gave him a new start in music at the dawn of the 90's.
Beyond exploring his musical biography we go deep into our shared fascination with ayahuasca and other plant medicines and the profound impact they have had and continue to have on our lives. He also talks specifically about the benefits he has experienced working with MDMA in a therapeutic setting. Enjoy the ride! Thank you for listening!
Seth's website
Seth's instagram
Non-Duality / Nisargadatta Maharaj
SUPPORT THE POD! Thank you!
Music:
Circus Lupus 'New Cop Car'
Vile Cherubs 'The Man with the Photograph'
Theme by Jason
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
A short update on all things TraegerMethod and a springtime message of gratitude to all pod guests, listeners and supporters.
Check out Jason's upcoming shows with Hutch Harris! new episodes COMING SOON!
April 29th Astoria OR
May 1st Portland @ Kelly's Olympian downtown
Music:
The Fartz 'You Got a Brain'
Other music by jason
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Freshly returned from his recent east coast Verbal Assault reunion tour, Pete Chramiec has returned to the TMpod as well.
It is always a delight to catch up with Pete. Our conversation covers his experience on the VA 'two-er' (the band played two shows), his fear of having preshow diarrhea (he didn't!) and how wild it was for this 'humble carpenter' to take the stage again after all these years.
We cover a ton of other stuff like house building, A-frames, my job at Amazon and the madness and tragedy of Putin's idiotic war in Ukraine. It's a perfect episode that perfectly sums up what it is to be TMpod episode 61.
Thank you for listening and for supporting the pod!!!
Things we mentioned:
Battle for the South of Ukraine
Putin's Road to War
Music:
Verbal Assault 'Running'
Verbal Assault 'They're Talking'
TMpod theme by Jason
SUPPORT THE PODCAST THANK YOU:
PATREON
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Episode 60 is a conversation with west coast punk rock veteran and practicing therapist Pete Normal.
Though we never met 'back in the day' our time spent in many of the same cities and our web of mutual friendships made talking with Pete feel like I was visiting with an old friend. In addition to our shared cultural and musical history we share a deep interest in mental health, personal transformation and spiritual growth. We talk about how his life in music and his interest in these subjects led him later in life to pursue the work he does today as a licensed clinical social worker and therapist.
It's a fun, inspiring and sometimes surprising conversation: I mean how many therapists do you know who found themselves on a neo-nazi hit list when they were teenagers? Well, after you listen to this episode, you'll know at least one!
Thanks for listening and for supporting the podcast!
For more Punk Rock Therapy talk:
Tony Mengis' Titanic Reaction Podcast
MUSIC:
Lazyboy 'Fill It'
Hooray For Everything 'Step Away'
TM Pod Theme by Jason
Support The TM PODCAST
Patreon
Venmo: @Jason-Traeger-1
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Episode 59 is a conversation with my old friend Olympia based musician, artist, world / interdimensional traveller, Arrington de Dionyso.
It was so good to sit down with Arrington in person in my painting studio a couple weeks back to record this conversation. I've long admired his singular, steadfast approach to art and music making over the decades we've been friends. His passion and creative fire shines through in everything he does and this light has been a consistent inspiration to me over the years. I'm happy to share this conversation.
We cover wide ranging territory starting with his musical roots in the Spokane punk scene of the 80's. He describes the profound impact seeing live touring bands like The Go-Team, Steel Pole Bathtub and NoMeansNo had on him as a teenager. We go on to visit some highlights of his world travels including his time with The Master Musicians of Joujouka and interdimensional explorations with plant medicines. We cover the history of his long running band Old Time Relijun and so much more.
Thank you for listening!
Arrington de Dionyso bandcamp
Arrington de Dionyso instagram
Become a Traegermethod Podcast Supporter $5 a month! Patreon
Music:
Old Time Relijun 'Tigers in the Temple'
Old Time Relijun'Cold Water'
TM Pod theme by Jason
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
My guest this week is Portland based singer, songwriter of insanely catchy punk music Hutch Harris. You know Hutch from his years fronting The Thermals and if you're hip, you are keeping up with his new solo music exemplified by his perfect Covid-era lofi bedroom LP 'Suck Up All the Oxygen'. During our conversation he also tells us we can look forward to listening to his new band Clear Rivers.
We talk about Hutch's life in music and we get deep into his love of the TraegerMethod podcast. This conversational thread leads us to a general celebration of the benefits of coming of age and livings one's life in artistic community. It's feels like a good thing to focus on in this week where war, division and confusion seems to have taken center stage in many of our hearts and minds. I'm glad to share our conversation with you dear listener.
LINKS:
My Guest:Hutch Harris
Other episode mentions:
Support victims of Portland mass shooting fascist attack
(All proceed from this month's TM pod will go to this fund)
Come Closer (thank you J Wang!)
SUPPORT THE PODCAST: PATREON
Music:
Hutch Harris: 'Suck Up All the Oxygen'
Hutch Harris: "I Used to Think I Was Beautiful'
TM theme: Jason
Fundraising break background sounds by:
Jay Shingle
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
It's been a little over a month since our last episode, and it feels good to be back with a return guest: photographer, artist, roots DC/LA punk Cynthia Connolly. We talk about her new Minor Threat, Dischord House, 1982 photo box set release and the epic heaps of work, reflection and feeling that went into making the project a reality. Speaking of work, we also talk in depth about my new job at a local Amazon sortation center and how surprised I have been by how much I like it. We also talk about our mutual friend Timojhen Mark and his early 90's San Francisco based record mail-order company Vacuum Records. We talk about how his early success in IT prompted him to start the company as a way to lose some of the money he was making at the time. We failed to mention that he was entirely self taught and had made his way to where he is today from pretty desperate circumstances early on. I'll see if I can get Timojhen to tell his story on a future episode!
Cynthia Connolly Website
Thank you so much for listening and supporting the pod!
Support through anchor or Traegermethod Patreon
Music: Minor Threat 'Minor Threat' from 1981 demo.
TM Pod theme by Jason
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Episode 56 is a TMpod first: I'm dropping this one the same day it was recorded. This one is fresh out of the pod oven!
My guest Portland based stand-up comic Nariko Ott is one of my favorite comics, a good friend and someone whose class conscious politics always resonate with me. Even though we're talking about the Jan 6th attempted coup and the rising fascist tide in America we still manage to have some laughs and share hopeful ideas about how to survive and win in our increasingly dystopian reality.
Check out Nariko's instagram and twitter and go see him live whenever you have the chance, dude is a RIOT!
THANK YOU SO MUCH to all of you for listening, telling a friend and for SUPPORTING the TraegerMethod podcast.
You can do so through the Anchor app or here on Patreon
TM Theme by Jason
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Episode 55 is conversation with "Rock and Roll Jackie" Stewart of legendary west coast noise/experimentalists SMEGMA. She also makes music today as half of The Tenses with her partner and Smegma founder Ric "Ju Suk Reet Meate" Stewart. Jackie joined Smegma in 1983, ten years after the collective was founded in Pasadena, CA. but her west coast underground bone fides stretch back before the 'Summer of Love'. She tells us about seeing the Grateful Dead playing on a flatbed truck in the panhandle of Golden Gate Park in 1966 as a 10 year old.
Her adolescent dreams of coming of age in San Francisco and one day joining the The Cockettes were dashed when her family relocated from the Bay Area to Salem, OR. in the mid 70's. Determined to keep her freak flag flying, she quickly set her sights on Portland and immersed herself in the burgeoning punk rock / new wave scene.
The conversation is a wealth of Portland punk / underground history. We learn about the long gone venues, people and bands that made this place the "Keep Portland Weird" city of today. Even the most dedicated scholars of PDX punk will likely be surprised to learn that Jackie's first band was called Gumby Anti-Christ and featured a teenage Jerry A. of Poison Idea!
Enjoy this conversation.
Happy Solstice!
SMEGMA/Tenses WEBSITE
Jackie's INSTA
Oregon Painting Society
TM POD PATREON
Music:
SMEGMA: 'One Moment'
'Live at Earth Tavern 7/22/1979'
TM POD theme by Jason
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
TM pod is one year old! This week we celebrate with a very special friend to everyone at the pod (me)... Nicky Thomas!
Nicky was drummer extraordinaire behind 80's Dischord / DC legends Fire Party, greatSeattle 90's band Mavis Piggott and today she plays with bay area mods Hard Left. As you'll hear there were many bands and collabs before and in-between these notables. Of course with a new covid variant on the way her current band isn't playing much but she tells us she's working on a memoir that she describes as a 'racial reckoning' in part exploring her experience as a black woman in punk rock.
We talk a lot about music but we don't only talk music. We hear about her experiences as a world traveller, as a working mother raising a kid in pandemic times. She tells us about her life-long passion for cooking, growing, eating and celebrating food and the places that passion has taken her, like her work with culinary visionary Alice Waters when she was as a teacher at the Edible Classroom in Berkeley.
It's a great conversation, I loved catching up with Nicky and I know you'll love catching up with her too!
PROFOUND thank you to all TM pod listeners, supporters and guests on this one year anniversary episode. I hope my intro was worth the struggle. THANK YOU!
Music:
Fire Party 'Make it Quick'
Mavis Piggott 'Tense Money'
TM pod theme by Jason
SUPPORT THE POD:
Patreon
Venmo : @Jason-Traeger-1
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
This week’s episode is a transatlantic conversation with Sam Knee, UK based creator of the always impressive and seemingly endless ‘A Scene In Between’ instagram feed and author/compiler of the book by the same name which is available now in a new revised edition.
Sam and I talk about his life in music and fashion beginning with his immersion in the UK’s early 80’s Mod Revival through his years in the Indie guitar pop/garage rock scene documented in the ‘A Scene In Between’ book, into his time as a member of the band Marzipan living in San Francisco in the early 90’s. From there we explore the philosophy and motivations behind his work today as a documentarian of the underground scenes that he was a part of and the ones that preceded and informed them.
It was a pleasure speaking with Sam. If you don’t already follow ‘A Scene In Between’ you owe it to yourself to do so. I can’t recommend his book highly enough, it’s a remarkable survey of a brief but highly influential moment in UK music history.
Thanks for listening!
LINKS:
A Scene In Between Instagram
Sam's blog where it all started
Music:
Talulah Gosh 'Talulah Gosh'
The Green Telescope 'Make Me Stay'
TMpod theme by Jason
Jason's art
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
Episode 52 is a conversation with brilliant Olympia-based singer/songwriter and multi-instrumentalist Peter David Connelly aka The Mona Reels. His new album ‘Without Love’ is collection of songs that sound like classics you’ve loved all your life but are hearing for the first time. I just love it.
We talk about the album and the creative process, we get into his history, arriving in Olympia in the early 90’s as a tween from Ellensberg, Wa. As a teen, he rejected the bustling local scene in favor of the ‘grunge’ from up I-5. It wasn’t until a decade later after he embraced the Olympia community that the community embraced him and he began to release music and play in other bands, like KRS artists, Bangs.
It’s a great conversation between two old friends.
The Mona Reels bandcamp
The Mona Reels instagram
Jason's art show:
TraegerMethod.com
support the pod:
Patreon
Music:
The Mona Reels 'Much Too Close'
The Mona Reels 'Spirit Banner'
TM Theme by Jason
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
Hello and welcome to TM pod SEASON TWO Episode 51 with my guest, the prolific, punk rock, political graphic art legend John Yates.
John and I met in San Francisco in the late 80's when we both worked for Jello Biafra at Alternative Tentacles. We've been in touch off and on ever since and I've never stopped admiring his artistic output over the decades. We talk about our time together in that very vital era of SF music before and after the dawn of the 90's. Working at the label gave us access to almost any show or concert around the bay and we were at the right age to take full advantage of that fact, going out every night.
The conversation starts well before those days in a rainy coastal village in Cornwall, England. John tells us about his punk rock journey from seeing The Sex Pistols on the telly getting arrested on the Thames during the Queen's Jubilee to his moving to SF to work for Jello. He tells a hilarious story of his mom's question after he told her he had made up his mind to move to the states; "You're going to move to America to work for Jello Biafra? ...are you sure it's real?" It was real and England's loss has been our gain ever since.
Enjoy my conversation with John Yates.
Music:
NoMeansNo 'Rags and Bones'
Concrete Sox: 'Scientific Slaughter'
TM pod theme by Jason
John's site: Stealworks
John's IG: HERE
TraegerMethod Patreon
Venmo: @Jason-Traeger-1
Jason's art: TraegerMethod.com
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TM Pod is back after a two week break with a special two part Episode 50 featuring guest Ian MacKaye.
Part two of Jason’s conversation with guest Ian MacKaye covers a very broad range of topics from the mystery of the cosmos to the difference between a Plymouth Scamp and Plymouth Duster (there isn’t much).
It’s a fun conversation between two old friends.
Thank you for listening!
Music:
Fugazi 'Great Cop'
Coricky 'Woulda Coulda'
TM pod Theme by Jason
Support the podcast:
Traegermethod Patreon
Jason's art: TraegerMethod.com
Venmo: @Jason-Traeger-1
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TM Pod is back after a two week break with a special two part Episode 50 featuring guest Ian MacKaye.
Part One of the conversation focuses primarily on the hardcore years of the early 80's. Ian shares memories of barebones tours with Minor Threat, road tripping in vans, buses and drive-away cars, crashing in punk houses and wild (and sometimes surprisingly quiet) punk shows.
With a friendship stretching back to the mid 80's, "Birthday Twins" Ian and host Jason have more than just a birthday in common. The two also have a web of mutual friends, many of whom we’ve heard from on previous episodes. They talk about those relationships and experiences in the cities and scenes that have been reoccurring themes on the TM pod. Places like San Diego, Reno, San Francisco, Seattle and Olympia.
It’s a fun conversation between two old friends.
Thank you for listening!
Music:
Egghunt 'Me and You'
Fugazi 'Arpeggiator' demo
TM pod theme by Jason
Support the Pod:
TraegerMethod Patreon
Jason's art: TraegerMethod.com
Venmo: @Jason-Traeger-1
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
Episode 49 is a conversation with Jon “Quitty” Quittner.
Listeners will remember Quitty’s previous appearance along with his Tight Bros From Way Back When bandmate (and last week’s guest) Sean Kelly on TM Pod Episode 30. That conversation focused on the phenomenon known as ‘The Derek Tape’
This conversation Jason and Quitty discuss his earlier bands: Pinhead Gunpowder, Brent’s TV, Mukilteo Fairies, and Behead the Prophet N.L.S.L.
The episode closes with a taped phone call made in 1990 between Quitty and his friend Scott Garvey that, although it is much more brief, rivals The Derek Tape as a hilarious document of a uniquely California character.
Thank you so much for listening.
Music:
Behead The Prophet N.L.S.L. 'Of Convenience'
Brent's TV 'Candy Shop Bop'
TM Theme by Jason
Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jason-traeger/support
This episode Jason talks with return guest Sean Kelly (Tight Bros From Way Back When, Derek Tape) about becoming a father for the first time two weeks ago.
They also talk about Woodstock '99.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
Music:
Capitol Punishment 'El Salvador'
Code of Honor 'What Price Will You Pay?'
No Labels 'Ego'
TM Theme by Jason.
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Episode 47 Jason catches up with his ex-wife, Los Angeles raised, former Olympia punk, now fellow Portlander Star Athena.
The two talk about Star's experience growing up in Los Angeles. Raised in a westside apartment down the hall from Punky Meadows, frontman of Casablanca recording artists Angel. Her brother Heath played in many LA bands, doing a stint with Angry Samoans among others. She talks about how as a teen going to punk shows she was repulsed by the sexual violence and harassment she experienced in the crowd, but that it didn’t crush her love of music.
Star and Jason met in the very early 90’s when she was a DJ at influential college station KUSF in San Francisco and he was working for Jello Biafra at Alternative Tentacles. They discuss those vital years in SF before tech dollars leveled the city’s culture and the music industry was exploding with alternative grunginess.
They go on to explore their move to Olympia after attending the International Pop Underground Fest and they recall what they both saw as the D.I.Y. pastoral punk paradise they found in their new home. They get into her two bands Flying Tigers and SubDebs who both released vinyl on K Records.
It’s not all about the past; Star explains how her diagnosis of Autism in her forties has given her a greater level of understanding and self-acceptance. She also shares some of the techniques and practices she uses today to mitigate the stress and anxiety of life and the challenges of living with multiple chronic illnesses.
It’s an uplifting conversation that went on much longer than one episode could hold. Hopefully Star will be back for a part two soon!
Thank you for listening!
Star's instagram (links to her projects in her linktree)
Music:
SubDebs 'Telephone TV'
SubDebs 'Overtime'
TM theme by jason
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TM pod 46 is a first for the podcast in three ways: it is the first episode recorded with a guest face to face, it’s the first one recorded outdoors and it’s the first time Jason has talked with singer, writer, podcaster, and OGRiot Grrrl Allison Wolfe.
The two old friends cover her formative years in Olympia, where they met in the mid 90’s. They explore Allison’s multi-decade, ongoing run fronting more than half a dozen punk bands beginning with her ground zero Riot Grrrl band Bratmobile through to her pandemic era project Magic Witch Cook Box.
There is a lot of focus on the Olympia music scene of the 80s and 90’s. The two ask how a compact little town in an out of the way corner of the country produced such a diverse, remarkable and influential group of bands. While simultaneously acting as the setting for the first sparks of one of the most impactful grassroots political movements of the era; Riot Grrrl.
Special attention is paid to the DIY festival culture of Oly that began almost exactly 30 years ago with International Pop Underground and continued with subsequent Yo-Yo a Go-Go’s and Alison’s own brainchild LadyFest, an indie feminist gathering that would go on to inspire an international series of like minded festivals of the same name.
The conversation starts with honest talk about the formidable challenges maintaining hope and motivation in a world gone mad and ends with a celebration of the possibilities that arise when small groups of motivated people get together to create culture in a community bonded by friendship and creative self expression.
Thanks for listening and supporting the podcast! You can make a one-time donation: Venmo: Jason-Traeger-1 or monthly recurring donation thru Anchor.
LINKS:
ALL THINGS ALLISON
Music:
Drop from M.A.D. ‘Holocaust’
Bratmobile: ‘I’m with the Band’
Deep Lust: 'Think Yr the Better One
Cool Moms: 'USAGI'
Sex Stains: 'Land of La-La'
Bratmobile: Live at Jabberjaw 6/27/93
TM pod theme by Jason
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Episode 45: Jason speaks with acclaimed writer, musician and martial artist Eugene S. Robinson.
Listeners will recall his previous appearance on TM pod ep. 38 which explored the enigmatic late 80’s/early 90’s bay area Rollins doppelgänger Mark Sperry.
This time Jason focuses on Eugene’s incredible life story: his days as a kid coming of age on the gang dominated streets of Brooklyn, his teen years split between the discotheques and punk clubs of 70’s Manhattan, to his long and legendary career in music that began as a student at Stanford, fronting early 80’s bay area hardcore originals Whipping Boy and evolved into his 30 plus years with globe trotting avant-rock masters Oxbow.
As if that thread of his story weren’t enough, through it all he has worked prolifically as a widely published journalist and novelist and has trained in martial arts, from boxing in his youth to his daily practice today in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
Oh, and he has a few podcasts of his own!
Listen and you'll have to agree: Eugene S. Robinson might just be the world’s most interesting man.
LINKS:
Oxbow
Eugene's Substack
Eugene S Robinson Show Stomper! Podcast
If the Shoes Fit Podcast
Music:
Whipping Boy "Human Farm"
Oxbow "A Cold & Well-Lit Place"
TM pod theme by Jason
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Episode 44 is a conversation with Los Angeles based writer, stand-up comic, competitive kettle-bell athlete and old school East Bay punk (via Arkansas) Bucky Sinister.
The conversation begins by revisiting a subject explored in prior episodes, the late 80’s / early 90’s SF Henry Rollins-doppelganger Mark Sperry, who was a friend of his in that period. He offers insight and shares his admiration for Sperry.
The two get into Bucky’s biography, his discovery of punk rock, his move from Arkansas to California in the 80’s and his near fatal struggle with drugs and alcohol during his days crashing in the punk houses of the east bay. He shares his story of recovery and the revelation of his late life diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.
He tells us how throughout his life writing stories and performing comedy and poetry has been not only an essential steam-valve release of creative self expression but also a means of finding community and a sense of belonging. He describes how inspiring it was to arrive in the bay area just as the emerging ‘spoken word’ movement associated with the punk scene was flowering.
Jason and Bucky also talk at length about a specific project he has undertaken to compile an oral history of beloved SF musician, the late Lance Hahn and his very prolific band J Church. Lance died of a congenital heart disorder in 2007 but his memory lives on in all who knew him.
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Bucky's instagram
Bucky's writing blog
Bucky's novel Black Hole
Bucky's books on recovery
Music:
J Church: 'Foreign Films' and 'No Jazz'
TM Pod Theme by Jason
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This week Jason talks with TM pod regular, Pete Chramiec about the recently announced Verbal Assault reunion shows scheduled to take place Sept. 2021 in New England. Pete shares his concern that the newly surging Covid-19 Delta Variant may lead to the postponement of the dates but as of now they are very much a go. He talks about his recent trip back east to practice with the band and how much fun it was to revisit their set after a silence of 30 years.
The two get deep into the reeds with talk about the equipment used to get the VA sound and a rundown of guitarists (all from Washington D.C.) who most influenced his style and approach to playing in a hardcore band. Jason reminds listeners that Pete won 'Best Guitarist' in the 1989 FlipSide readers poll (Flea got best bassist, Fugazi best new band). Along the way he spills the recipe for ‘New Englands best clam chowder’ and tells us why the pineapple is a symbol of Newport R.I., and why it has nothing to do with 'the swinger lifestyle'.
It’s mostly all fun with a little climate catastrophe and fascism talk too.
Thanks for listening and for supporting the pod!
Music:
Verbal Assault ‘Trial’
Government Issue: ‘Jaded Eyes’
The Clitboys ‘Gay’s Okay’
Verbal Assault: ‘Learn’
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This week Jason talks with Fernando ‘Ferny’ Cruz Jr. about his formative musical years with San Diego (more specifically Chula Vista) hardcore madmen Run For Your Fucking Life.
The band cut a swath of music and mayhem through endless house parties, desert generator shows and clubs from 1994-2001. The 2019 passing of their beloved singer Jason Weedon has inspired the remaining members to reissue their classic self titled LP this summer on 31G records. Ferny tells us about the trials and tribulations of life in a band who lived as intensely as the played and singer Jason's enduring legacy as a performer, connector and scene maker.
The conversation also explores what it meant then and still means today to play in a band in an underground music scene that straddles an international border.
TO PREORDER RFYFL's LP reissue and a chance to win one of 50 recently discovered original 7"EP's (with new cover) click HERE
Music:
RFYFL:
'88 Kid,
My Dead Friends and Those Who May As Well Be Dead
TM POD Theme by Jason
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The last time this week’s guest Brian Walsby and Jason talked was in December of 1985 at a show in Northridge after Brian took an impromptu turn as the singer for The Descendents when Milo was delayed making it up from San Diego where he was going to college.
This conversation is the two catching up on everything that has happened in their lives in the subsequent 36 years since that evening, leaving out nothing ...Maybe a few things were left out but all the most important stuff was covered like the fact that at one point Jason and Brian had between the two of them drawn every Maximum Rock N Roll scene report header. We also learn that the Neos ‘Hassibah Gets the Martian Brain Squeeze’ is Walsby’s favorite hardcore 7” ep of all time.
Thanks for listening and for supporting the scene!
Brian's Website
Brian's Youtube Channel
Music:
Neos 'Destruct'
No Labels 'Jane Doe'
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Episode 40: Jason catches up with legendary west coast punk rock photographer Alison Braun about her prolific work capturing the fire and fury of So Cal punk in the 80’s and Seattle metal/grunge at the beginning of the next decade.
Her photographs published under her punk nickname ‘Mouse’ were a ubiquitous sight in the pages of MRR and Flipside and can be found on many classic record sleeves and inserts of the era. Like her contemporaries Ed Colver, Gary Leonard and Robbie Robinson, Alison’s work is an essential contribution to the documentation of the west coast underground culture in that pre-digital era.
Alison’s recently released book ‘In the Pit’ is a collection of some highlights of her vast body of work and is a mandatory addition to any punk library.
LINKS: AlisonBraun.com
Alison's Instagram
Her gallery show in Portland opened 6/10/21 at Wyrd War in Portland
Thank you for listening!
Music:
Bl’ast ‘Only Time Will Tell’
Dr Know ‘Mr. Freeze’
TM theme by Jason
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TM pod 39 is a conversation with Jason's old friend since teenage years, San Diego punk and fellow Leading Edge fanzine maker Greg Lipman.
The two talk about Greg’s life as an expat in Ho Chi Minh City Vietnam where he has made his home for the past decade. He describes what life has been like through the Covid-19 epidemic and what its like today under lockdown as the country deals with the arrival of the Delta variant.
About a half hour into the conversation the two trip down So Cal punk memory lane. It’s a fun, loose chat between old friends. Thank for listening and supporting the pod!
Music:
5150 'Target of Insanity'
Skullbusters 'Rat Race'
Both from 1983's 'Our Blow Out' Comp of SD punk.
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Episode 38 is a BONUS companion follow-up further exploring the mystery of late 80’s / early 90’s Bay Area writer, spoken word artist, musician and Rollins doppelgänger Mark Sperry. A topic introduced in episode 36 by Jason and guest Martin Sprouse.
It seems the two are not alone in their enduring fascination with the lengths Sperry went to in that era to fully adopt the style, attitude, sound and even tattoos very similar to those of Henry Rollins. The homage was so complete it transcended mere influence and entered the realm of performance art. Many questions came up about Sperry’s philosophy, self awareness, and intention behind the project.
After the episode aired Jason heard from several listeners about their experiences with Sperry and shares some of their stories here in Ep 38. The first guest is old school Bay Area punk, musician and stand-up comic Jeremy Adkins, who like his friend Sperry was a Rollins devotee at the time, but not nearly to the same extent. He then speaks with Brooklyn based artist Nathan Carter about his experience playing bass at two practices with Sperry’s band Third Rail in the early 90’s. The episode closes with a genuine punk rock legend, author, musician Eugene S. Robinson (Oxbow, Whipping Boy) who shares some stories and impressions of his one time friend and sometime collaborator.
Not all questions are answered but some light is shed on an artist who confounded and inspired sometimes in equal measure the select few who were aware of his prolific output at that very specific place and time the was the Bay Area at the start of the 90's.
Nathan Carter's Art
Nathan Carter instagram
Eugene S. Robinson OZY editor at large
Eugene S. Robinson Oxbow
Jeremy Adkins instagram
Sperry's band Third Rail
Music:
Third Rail 'Losing it'
TM pod theme by Jason
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Jason speaks with producer Erin Yanke about the 'It Did happen Here' podcast, a documentary pod about the battles waged in the wake of the 1988 murder of Ethiopian immigrant Mulugeta Seraw to liberate Portland Oregon from the terror inflicted on the punk scene and the broader community by neo-nazi skinheads.
Erin tells us about how she came to work on the project with co-producers/hosts Mic Crenshaw and Celina Flores, and explains why the stories of the anti-racist streetfighters, activists and organizers of that era are so relevant to our political and social reality today.
LISTEN: It Did Happen Here Podcast
READ: A Hundred Little Hitlers
SUPPORT: KBOO Community Radio (or your local community radio station)
Thank you for the...
Music:
Perkele 'No Shame'
The Oppressed 'Holligans'
TM pod theme by Jason.
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TM pod has the WORLD EXCLUSIVE interview with Martin Sprouse (@3chordpolitics) aka "The Elon Musk Billboard Guy". Jason talks with him about going hugely viral last week and his subsequent stonewalling of all press contact. Funny stuff. The two go on to talk about the early 80's SF band Crucifix, the mysteriously underwhelmed reaction they and the world have had toward recent US government admissions that UFO's encounters are a common occurrence, the mystery of early 90's SF Henry Rollins tribute/doppelganger artist Mark Sperry and much, much more.
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Music:
Crucifix "How, When, Where"
Third Rail "Climbing the Walls
TM theme by Jason
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TM pod 35 Jason talks with music and culture writer Tony Rettman about his life and work.
The story starts in Trenton with a 11 year old Tony being drafted into punk by his older brother who was a DJ at the city's legendary City Gardens venue. From there he branches out to nearby Philly and NY to explore those scenes and most importantly in his telling to buy as many records and zines as he could.
He describes his immersion in the straight edge hardcore scene of the late 80’s and his work with Tim McMahon on Common Sense, one of the defining zines of that period. We move from there to his maturing into a more well rounded music fan, his appreciation of free jazz etc.
The conversation closes with talk of his life today living with MS and the challenges and rewards of working as a writer. It's a great conversation with a great guy. Enjoy and buy Tony's books! Thank you for listening and for supporting the Traegermethod podcast.
LINKS:
BUY TONY’S BOOKS: NO IDOLS
SUBSCRIBE TO TONY'S SUBSTACK
FOLLOW TONY ON INSTAGRAM
TONY'S WRITING FOR WIRE
TONY'S WRITING FOR VICE
Music:
Turning Point 'To Lose'
Scorn Flakes 'Live at City Gardens 12/29/84'
TM Pod Theme by Jason
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This week Jason talks with Tobi Vail about her life in music and activism. Tobi's story starts with her teenage parents taking her to the Tenino Rock Festival in 1969 when she was six weeks old and it only get wilder from there!
LINKS:
Tobi's band GSP have a soon to be released LP on Thrilling Living Records.
Bikini Kill will be touring extensively in 2022.
Pussy Riot's Maria 'Masha' Alyokhina is currently under house arrest and is facing a possible sentence of ANOTHER two years in prison merely for for protesting Putin's Russian gangster-state. International attention will help her cause.
Masha's media outlet MediaZona.
Thank you for listening!
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Episode 33 is a free form conversation between the real-life tight bros from way back when: Sean, Quitty and Jason.
Serious TM pod listeners can try to spot all the references to the Derek Tape the trio make as they talk about life, love and Gene Simmons' wig.
Thanks for listening!
Music:
TM theme by Jason
Closing music by Behead the prophet NLSL.
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This is a very special short episode of TM pod.
This week Jason talks about a marbles-like game called 'Gears' that was passed down through generations of kids in the 70's at his elementary school in Kenmore Washington.
He also remembers a fantasy he had as a child of a computer in the woods behind the school.
Thank you for listening and supporting the podcast!
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Episode 31 is a conversation with Los Angeles based stand-up comic, writer, actor and podcaster Amy Miller.
The two met over a decade ago after Amy relocated from the Bay Area to Portland and the two became fast friends, sharing countless comedy stages and green rooms around the Pacific Northwest. It was only after they'd gotten to know one another that they discovered they may have also breathed the same air many years before when Jason was active in the San Francisco punk scene and Amy was a pe-teen tagging along to see her older brother Jason Beebout's bands Samiam and Isocracy in the early days of the Gilman Street Project in Berkeley.
Though Amy never called herself a punk and was in fact a young born-again Christian back in the Gilman days, her story and the attitude she brings with her to the world of stand-up radiates more punk cred than a 1000 liberty spikes.
amymillercomedy.com
Who's Your God Podcast w/ Steve Hernandez
Amy's twitter
Music:
Isocracy Live at Gilman 1987
Samiam Live Krazy Fest 2011
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Episode 30 is an addendum to Episode 29. It is The Derek Tape in its entirety.
WARNING: This conversation is peppered with offensive language and threats of violence.
'The Derek Tape' was made in Los Angeles in 1993. It is a 43 minute long recording of a phone conversation between stoned record store employee Kurt and one of his frequent customers, heavy metal/hard rock obsessed maniac Derek. The tape begins with Kurt asking Derek if he was able to get a parking enforcement 'boot' off his car, and from there it moves in two distinct narrative streams. First there is the story of Derek and his contentious relationship life-long friend and nemesis Terry, an unseen character he paints as a privileged, drug-addicted layabout responsible for many crimes and deserving of harsh punishment. The second thread woven through the conversation is Derek passionately sharing his opinions about the greatest extreme metal bands of the era and the 'greatest displays of guitar mastery' he has witnessed in his years of concert-going.
Listen to TM Pod Ep. 29 to hear Sean Kelly, Jon 'Quitty' Quittner and Jason discuss the tape's history and origin, its content, the divisive nature of its appeal, and its enduring legacy.
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Episode 29 is a first for the TM Pod in several ways: It is the first appearance of Jon 'Quitty' Quittner, the first featuring multiple guests and the first dedicated to a specific subject rather than a look at a guest's biography. The subject: 'The Derek Tape'
'The Derek Tape' was made in Los Angeles in 1993. It is a 43 minute long recording of a phone conversation between stoned record store employee Kurt and one of his frequent customers, heavy metal/hard rock obsessed maniac Derek. The tape begins with Kurt asking Derek if he was able to get a parking enforcement 'boot' off his car, and from there it moves in two distinct narrative streams. First there is the story of Derek and his contentious relationship life-long friend and nemesis Terry, an unseen character he paints as a privileged, drug-addicted layabout responsible for many crimes and deserving of harsh punishment. The second thread woven through the conversation is Derek passionately sharing his opinions about the greatest extreme metal bands of the era and the 'greatest displays of guitar mastery' he has witnessed in his years of concert-going.
In the decades since a cassette copy of the recording was given to Sean by its maker Kurt, 'The Derek Tape' has gone from a 'secret handshake' among touring bands in the 90's to an internet sensation loved by its cult of fans around the world. Sean, Jon and Jason discuss the tape's history and origin, its content, the divisive nature of its appeal, and its legacy.
Episode 30 of the TM Podcast is 'The Derek Tape' in its entirety.
Thank you for listening and BIG thank you to all our new TraegerMethod podcast contributors!
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This episode Jason speaks with archivist/artist/healer/historian Margarat Nee both about her life coming of age as a punk girl at the cusp of the 1980's in North County San Diego and about her work today documenting the era with her ongoing project the San Diego Punk Archive.
The two attended the same Encinitas High School five years apart. Margarat shares tales of San Dieguito she says she wasn't a problem child but was physically removed by a bouncer from the only dance she ever attended, so you'll have to decide.She was a classmate of Eddie Vedder, she has many tales to tell. The story also leaves North County in borrowed cars to punk rock San Diego and Los Angeles.
We go on to learn about her work on the SDPA, her motivation, and belief in its value and about the growing networks of punk archivists across the country and the world doing similar work.
In the course of this talk Margarat drops the very exciting news that a legit documentary film about SD art legend Shawn Kerri is in the works. She has spoken with the films producers and it's really happening. Very Cool.
Thank you for listening!
Contribute to San Diego Punk Archive:
Venmo: @Margarat-Nee.
San Diego Punk Archive
Music
The Penetrators: I'm w/ the guys
A clip from local news show about The Penetrators.
Tm Pod theme by Jason.
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Episode 27 is conversation between Jason and his high school friend Mark MacFarlane.
The two recently began trading DM's on instagram after Mark reached out in response to the TM podcast. This conversation is the first time they have spoken since the last day of school 1985. In catching up Mark shares sometimes funny and sometimes gory stories about his years flying Blackhawk helicopters for the army, the crooked educational path he took to his career as a land surveyor and lots of North County San Diego high school stories from the 80's.
Characters mentioned in this episode include their H.S. bully, stevia obsessed MMA YouTube celebrity Dan Quinn, their bizarre, free-form 'Epistemics' teacher Mr. Merritt, and North County party cops Officer's Cook and Stanewich, the latter we learn ended up being killed by another cop while he was in the act of home invading a local family on his day off! ...cops (smdh).
Thanks for listening!
Music:
Manifest Destiny 'Soilent Warehouse'
Battalion of Saints 'The Animal in Man'
TM Theme by Jason
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Episode 26 is a conversation between Jason and his old friend Walter Glaser.
A Bay Area punk, Walter was the longtime MaximumRockNRoll cassette reviewer and the face on the cover of the influential Gilman Street Project 2x7” comp ‘Turn It Around'. He might protest but a case could be made that this appearance makes him the honorary ‘Face of Gilman Geek-Core’.
What is ‘Geek-Core’ you might ask? If you picture the pit filled with Big Wheels and jumping jacks instead of moshing and slamming you’re getting the idea. Sounds annoying and it could be but when Walter shares a story of the time the Gilman geeks got together and made a skinhead cry, it begins to make a little more sense.
There's a lot more to the conversation than geeks, plenty of great stories and laughs are shared between these two old friends.
Check out the food blog Walter does with his daughter Olivia: W&O Food Report
Music:
The Feederz "You're So Stupid"
UXB "Breakout"
Stikky "Baby's Gonna Rock Tonight"
TM Theme by Jason
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Episode 25 is a conversation with artist, musician, photographer and host Jason’s dear friend Tae Won Yu.
The two met in the fertile scene that was Olympia, WA in the early 90’s and immediately bonded over their shared devotion to music, art and the creative process, though their paths to that meeting couldn’t have been more different. Jason’s move to Olympia was a return to his home in the Pacific Northwest after his years in California, Tae was a transplant from NYC whose childhood had been split between his native country of Korea and Tokyo, Japan prior to immigrating to the east coast of the U.S.A. as a youngster.
Tae’s story begins with an account of the unique challenges he faced as a newly arrived Korean immigrant to Queens, New York whose only spoken language was Japanese. From there we learn about how his immersion in punk and rock n roll helped him forge an identity and sense of self as an artist that has sustained him throughout his life.
The conversation ends with a discussion of the creative struggle as a lifelong opportunity for the artist to work toward individuation and connection to a community based on shared values.
Thank you for listening!
Tae's Instagram
Tae's photo memories.
Kicking Giant/Tae's work today.
Music: Kicking Giant 'Alien I.D.' and 'Wire'
TM theme by Jason
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Episode 24 is an interview with filmmaker Scott Crawford, director of DC punk documentary Salad Days and Boy Howdy: The Story of Creem Magazine.
The conversation starts with Scott’s punk rock biography beginning with his stint as a post-pubescent zine maker in the DC scene of the early 80’s and moves through to his forthcoming project; a documentary film about Canadian punk pioneers DOA and frontman Joey “Shithead” Keithley’s current political career in the band’s hometown of Burnaby B.C.
Jason shares some of his own experiences with DOA and the two reflect on the tremendous influence the band and its leader have had on independent music and culture over the past 4 decades.
Thank you for listening!
Scott Crawford on instagram @saladdazed
@somethingbetterchange_doc
Music:
D.O.A "D.O.A"
United Mutation "Sensation Fix" from the Alive and Kicking compilation made by Scott Crawford in 1985.
Jason Traeger "Neutralize Existence"
TM theme by Jason
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Episode 23 is a conversation with Eddie Joseph of early Orange County hardcore/punk/new wave pioneers Eddie and the Subtitles.
Already a veteran of the Haight-Ashbury ‘Summer of Love’ scene that had fizzled out a decade earlier, he was in his early 30’s as the first wave of LA/OC punk splashed over from the 70’s into the 80’s.
Not only did he write and perform one of the most iconic songs of the era with The Subtitles, 1980’s ‘American Society’ he also worked as a manager for bands like Social Distortion and The Adolescents who along with his own band defined the OC punk sound.
In keeping with the TM podcast’s Reno thread: Eddie was raised in Reno and returned there when his time in Southern California came to an end. We close hearing about his current line-up of The Subtitles based in the biggest little city and his ongoing recovery from Covid-19.
Thank you for listening!
Music:
Eddie and the Subtitles 'American Society'
Eddie and the Subtitles 'Magic'
TM theme by Jason
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Jason speaks with Chris Chacon founder of the influential San Diego based international hardcore punk cassette label Bad Compilation Tapes, later renamed as Borderless Countries Tapes, commonly known as BCT.
Chris tells the story of his late entry into early So Cal punk in 1979 at age 25 after hearing The Urinals on a new wave/punk show on the local rock station KGB. From there he dove headlong into the subculture and never looked back.
He formed BCT in 1982 as a means of contributing to the larger project of punk rock and helped make the world a little smaller by connecting the extreme music coming out of the squats and garages of Europe with listeners all over America and the world.
As a teenager Jason contributed artwork to BCT releases, with his family hosted Raw Power during their stay in San Diego on their first tour and along with Chris and others put on shows under the name United Effort in the early/mid 80's.
https://www.anarcho-punk.net/threads/borderless-countries-tapes-bad-compilation-tapes.5050/
https://www.facebook.com/badcompilationtapes/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/493831857384110/
Music:
Raw Power: 'Police Police'
I Refuse It!: 'Choccu Umeret'
TM theme by Jason
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Jason and Pat's talk begins with more about their old San Diego punk friend the late John Murphy, then they veer off into the Venice scene, the new documentary film about The Olympic Auditorium, and ither things before the conversation ends with Pat telling us how cool Lenny Kravitz was toward high-end retail drones like himself back in his days as Romeo Blue.
Along the way they ask the question "what do punks have against toilets?"
Music:
Excel : 'Split Image' from their 'Personal Onslaught' demo.
Useless Pieces of Shit : 'Obnoxious Teenage Drunk Olympics" from video on youtube.
TM Pod theme by Jason.
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Episode 20 is a talk with Joe Lally. The conversation focuses on his formative years and traces the journey from pre-teen soul / funk fiend through his suburban stoner teens as a dedicated acolyte of eclectic doom pioneers The Obsessed. Joe describes the profound impact touring the country in 1986 as roadie with Beefeater had on his life. He pays special tribute to the band’s late guitarist Fred Smith who invited him on that tour.
Jason and Joe met for the first time when the band arrived in Reno on their way west. He was about to head off with 7 Seconds on his first national tour as a roadie as well.
The talk ends with Joe describing the year he and Ian spent in the basement learning to play together. A fruitful time that formed a musical friendship that is going strong today.
Music: Joe Lally "What Makes You"
The Obsessed "Failsafe" Live 1982
TM Theme: Jason
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Kevin Seconds is a true American punk/hardcore D.I.Y. indie icon.
Jason and Kevin met in 1984 when he interviewed 7 Seconds for Leading Edge fanzine backstage at Perkins Palace in Pasadena and they have been friends ever since. The two lived together in Reno for a time and Jason was roadie on the band's 1986 North American tour.
This conversation focuses on Kevin's origin story. We learn about the hardscrabble circumstances he and his family experienced after arriving in Reno in the mid 70's, and how the precariousness of his situation helped prime his fascination with the nascent punk movement rumbling underground at the time. We then trace his journey from curious seeker of all things punk to the beginning of 7 Seconds and his central role establishing "anti-youth" Reno, NV as the home of the vital, nationally recognized "Skeeno H.C." hardcore scene.
This episode demands a follow-up and we'll be sure to hear from Kevin again in future installments to see where the story goes from here.
Thank you for listening!
Music:
7 Seconds: "Fight Your Own Fight", "Fuck Your Amerika", "No Authority"
TM pod intro by Jason.
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TraegerMethod episode 18 begins as a podcast. Martin (@3chordpolitics) and Jason look at back recent TM guests and share recommendations for some other pods including James Call’s ‘Punk Lives!’ about San Diego scene history and ’It Did Happen Here’ about the battle in the 80’s and 90’s to defend the Portland punk scene from nazi skinheads and how it evolved into a wider effort to drive them from the city altogether after the 1988 murder of Ethopian immigrant Mulugeta Seraw.
Around the 30 minute mark the two get into a discussion about punk clothes crafting and specifically Martin’s favorite 7 Seconds ‘derby jacket’. It’s a fashion freakout with food for thought.
There’s a lot more. Thanks for listening!
Music snippets:
The Penetrators "Walk the beat"
Social Distortion "Mass Hysteria"
Jerry's Kids "Straight Jacket"
Killjoy: "Shiny Plastic People"
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TM Pod Episode 17 is a conversation with Jason's dear friend, D.C. punk legend Cynthia Connolly. A prolific photographer, documentarian, punk rock mover and shaker, she painted the cover of Minor Threat's Out of Step EP and wrote the book on DC punk: Banned in DC.
TM theme by Jason
Additional music: Minor Threat 'Out of Step', Eddie and the Subtitles 'American Society'
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Episode 16 of TM Podcast will make you think twice about the value and virtue of teenage employment.
Jason and return guest Sean Kelly explore their shared first experiences in the entry level of the North County San Diego workforce of the 1980’s.
Pizza pranks, racist managers, larceny, drawings of a floating head named 'Charly' and the role of crystal meth in the local economy are all examined in this conversation.
“Can I get a price check on a Nestler Codpiece?”
Bumper music by Paul Schlesinger
Outro music: "Running Away" by Jason.
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Jason and Rick became friends in the mid 80’s through their respective punk zines Leading Edge and Subculture. Their bond only deepened through a shared background and love of all things BMX. This episode is very BMX heavy, so get ready to get gnarly!
Among all the bike talk the two get into the story of Rick's path to punk and how he qualified to be the singer of his first band Pitchfork through his willingness to do it and more importantly his ability to buy a cheap P.A. set up.
Also discussed: San Diego's Punk scene's Anarchy Picnics!
ENJOY!
TM Theme: Jason
Music: Drive Like Jehu: Here Come the Rome Plows
Hot Snakes: Six Wave Hold Down
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Jone Stebbins was guitarist and a founding member of all-girl early 80’s hardcore punk pioneers, Reno, NV.’s The Wrecks. She and bassist Bessie Oakley also produced the beloved and influential Paranoia fanzine in that era. Since the 1990’s she has been making music with Wrecks drummer Lynn Perko-Truell as bassist of Bay Area super-group Imperial Teen.
Jason and Jone became friends in 1983 as penpals, they met later that year when she and Bessie spent a number of months in Los Angeles running Shawn Stern’s BYO record label.
The conversation tracks her path as a self-proclaimed seeker of all things weird. We follow along from her early teen discovery in the late 70's of ‘midnight movie’ screenings like Rocky Horror Picture Show to her immersion in the DIY participation culture of early- 80’s hardcore punk, the formation of The Wrecks and Paranoia, her move to the Bay Area in the late 80’s and her life in music and culture from that era through to today.
It’s a fun and inspiring conversation. Thank you so much for listening.
TM Pod theme by Jason Traeger
Music: The Wrecks "I Love to Shoplift" and "Punk is an Attitude" from their 1982 "Teenage Jive" demo,
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The conversation begins with Jason and Don's introduction at “the weirdo wall’ of San Dieguito High School in the mid 80’s and from there they go backwards and forwards to put together a picture of their enduring friendship and Don’s biographical timeline.
Don was a founding member of Pitchfork, a band that helped define the post-‘Slow Death’ San Diego post-hardcore era. He talks about forming the band with John Reis and Rick Froberg at this transitional period as they sought alternatives to the violence plagued scene that came before.
Among the many blanks the two fill in we learn Jason played a small role in launching Don's life of music making when he sold him his first bass guitar. Another revelation is Don’s recollection of he and Jason's shared transformative experience in the free-form ‘Epistemics’ class of visionary high school teacher Neil Merritt who was the prime inspiration for Jason's early departure from school to go on tour with 7 Seconds.
In addition to these stories they talk about tribal/ecstatic/trance-punk pioneers Crash Worship, the influence of Lou’s Records on the North County music scene, Rick Froberg’s fanzine Subculture and much more.
Music: TM theme by Jason
Pitchfork: Sinking
Crash Worship: live performance
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You may know Sean from late 90’s early 2000’s Olympia band Tight Bros From Way Back When. You might not be aware however that the only reason he came to live in Olympia was because he and I were tight bros from waaaay back before that.
The episode begins with an account of our date with destiny in high school marine biology class, how it led to his first dip into the choppy waters of ’Slow Death’ San Diego punk and a life of rock n roll weirdness beyond that.
Among many other things, we discuss the unique and insular beach culture of North County San Diego, a place with a vibe that could go from laid back mellow to aggressively psychotic quicker than a kook getting tubed by a nectar wave.
And that’s just the tip of the surfboard.
Dive and and ride with us.
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Episode 11 is a little different.
The first half is a conversation between Jason and Pete Chramiec. The two dissect the timeline and events of a West Coast tour Jason went on with Pete's band Verbal Assault in 1986. Pete goes on to share stories of a South / Midwest tour VA did with NYHC legends Agnostic Front a couple years later.
The second half of the episode is something like a therapy session between Jason and his friend and collaborator Paul Schlesinger. In the course of the session Jason shares anxiety he's been having about the podcast and the discrepancies he has recognized between his deeply held values and his actions. By understanding this disconnect he identifies concrete steps he can take to achieve greater harmony.
Thank you for listening.
Music:
Agnostic Front: "Smell the Bacon" and "Fuck All Authority" from their 1983 demo.
Paul Schlesinger "Lovely Gift of Life"
Jason Traeger: "Neutralize Existence"
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Episode 10 is a conversation between Jason and old school skating / San Diego punk rock legend Andy Newton aka @lord_shanty aka #OMA.
Though the two didn’t know one another in the San Diego punk scene of the early 80’s they were in many of the same rooms, seeing the great hardcore line-ups that were a weekly occurrence in those days.
In that era Jason and his friends were straight edge teens doing their best to see the bands and have a good time without getting beaten by the older, drunker more violent elements of the scene. Andy on the other hand was one of those more mayhem oriented older punks. In this episode we get to hear a take on the ‘Slow Death’ era from the other side of the generation and attitudinal divide.
In addition to music talk, the conversation begins with a discussion of the evolution of skateboarding from clay wheels to the first generation of urethane wheels that allowed an early skater like Andy to leave the sidewalks and enter the empty swimming pools of Southern California.
The talk ends where it begins with Lord Shanty getting back into pool riding in his late 20’s after he received a very brutal dose of karma delivered to him by the new guard of vicious Neo-Nazi skinheads who’d arrived on the scene in the late 80’s.
For man in his 60’s who has survived more head injuries than a crash test dummy, Andy’s memory and his wits are sharp and his sense of humor is very much intact.
Enjoy this Jason’s conversation with this Rock n’ Roll survivor.
Theme and Outro by Jason Traeger
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It's Mother's Day here at the TM Pod.
Episode 9 is a conversation between host Jason and his mother M. Michaela Murphy. The story begins with tales of life as an American officer’s kid in occupied post-war Germany where as a young teen when she wasn't swatting old Nazi's or chasing away home invaders she was watching the King of RocknRoll do his thing. She goes on to describe her trouble readjusting to the horrifying reality of life in the Jim Crow South. Along the way she meets some Teddy Boys, who in the episode Jason erroneously describes as being members of 'the first teenage subculture' he meant to say they were members of the first British teenage subculture. All apologies to the Zoot Suiters!
We then jump forward to her experiences during Jason's years as a young teen in the thrall of the hardcore punk subculture. Michaela shares her impressions of the live punk experiences she had accompanying him, his friend Erich, and brother Gavin to see seminal US bands like The Circle Jerks, X, Fear and TSOL in Seattle. She also reminisces about learning to appreciate a nice chianti while hosting Italian punks Raw Power for an extended stay under her roof in San Diego.
From there the two go on to discuss Michaela's transformative political and spiritual awakenings in the 1970's, her decades long career as a librarian and educator, the nature of being and what it means to live a good and decent life.
It's a wide ranging, funny and touching episode, we appreciate her sharing part of her story with us. We hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed making Episode 9.
Correction: In the introduction Jason refers to Michaela as a 'First Wave Feminist', when in fact she was a part of the 'Second Wave' Feminist movement of the 60's and 70's.
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Episode 8 is a patchwork quilt featuring clips from an aborted episode with visionary musician and comedian Paul Schlesinger and fragments of a technically flawed conversation with the missing piece of the Leading Edge fanzine puzzle Greg Lipman. This episode's music is also provided by Paul.
In addition to these morsels we introduce a new segment called 'Mailbag' in which we share comments and DM's from listeners and followers of the TM insta feed.
A big 'thank you" to all who have commented and written and to Greg and Paul for being a part of this unusual episode.
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Just to keep things totally hermetically sealed, in this episode Jason and Martin begin with talk about last episode's guest Pete Chramiec, and Martin's cursed relationship with his band Verbal Assault. From there the conversation veers to D.C. band Beefeater's first tour west and the New Method warehouse where they played a show with 7 Seconds.
The two dissect the distinctions between 'Peace Punk' and 'Crust Punk' which leads the two to reminisce about their stop by the ant-infested barracks of the Sylmar band Iconoclast. From there it's tales of Pushead and more!
Thank you for listening!
Bumper music by Beefeater
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Jason was living in Reno with Kevin Seconds in 1986 when Pete's band Verbal Assault pulled into town on their first tour, they have been good friends ever since.
Episode 6's freewheeling conversation starts with a description of Pete's 1982 "Quest for MacKaye" bus adventure to Washington D.C. where he met Ian and Alec's mom before ever encountering the brothers. From there we go to him getting punched in the face by Boston hardcore royalty, the shape of Rhode Island punk in that formative period, revelations provided by early MTV and an extended recollection of the two month North American tour they went on together in 1986 ...though Pete swears it was 1987.
Topics avoided in this episode: How Pete lost his virginity and The Fink family's rules relating to the consumption of sugary snacks.
This is a fun talk. The first of many I hope, with Pete Chramiec.
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In this episode the friends talk about how Jason used to hang out with Milo from the Descendents when he was in high school and Milo was in college. The two discuss the punk/cholo style common in their San Diego punk circle. In doing so Martin explains what 'Wino' shoes are. This talk leads to a discussion of Suicidal Tendencies and the time Mike Muir called his house and spoke to his mom.
We get a little more information about Martin and Pat's 1982 trip to see the Misfits in Compton. Martin shares the part of the story Pat forgot last episode. The part about being held and searched by 14 Long Beach police officers. We also hear about Pat learning to drive after Martin has his nose exploded at an SSDecontrol show in Santa Monica.
Thank you for listening.
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In episode 4 Jason talks with his friend of 30+ years Patrick Weekend. He and last episode's guest Martin Sprouse started The Leading Edge fanzine in 1983 and were the first two people Jason met when he moved from Tacoma, Wa. to San Diego that same year.
Along with stories of the 'Slow Death' (San Diego) and LA punk scenes of the early 80's, the two get into Pat's exploration of the West Coast rap scene that was emerging parallel to punk rock in that same era. Beyond music talk they reflect on tender experiences with their first girlfriends, falling in love while maintaining journals as surprisingly sensitive, music obsessed teenage kids.
@patrickweekend on instagram
Bumper music by L.A. Dream team and The Egyptian Lover
TM Pod theme by Jason
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This episode is a conversation between Jason and one of his oldest, dearest friends and a fellow veteran of the west coast punk scene of the early 80's, Martin Sprouse. They talk about the abundance of talented artists associated with the 'Slow Death' punk scene of the late 70's/early 80's as exemplified by influential figures like Shawn Kerri and Mad Marc Rude. They go on to discuss other important figures in the generation of SD punks that came just before their own. Of course it wouldn't be an episode about SD punk in the early 80s without sharing stories of the violence and mayhem that were an integral part of the experience of that era.
TraegerMethod theme by Jason. Bumper music in this episode taken from early SD bands 5150 and Manifest Destiny from Cliff Cunningham's 'Our Blow Out' cassette compilation from 1983.
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Jason talks with Paul Schlesinger about the exceptionally violent nature of the San Diego punk scene in the early 80's.
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Introducing the companion podcast to Jason Traeger's TraegerMethod Instagram feed.
Artist, musician, comedian, west coast indie/punk scene veteran Jason Traeger discusses his latest autobiographical posts with his friend Paul Schlesinger.
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