Let’s Crew & Riot: Recent Episodes
Chin Ru
What's CREW & RIOT? It's a podcast for honest and fearless conversations about how to challenge the status quo as a woman in 2023.Hosted by Chin Ru, founder of Crew & Riot, a company that helps leaders build Inclusive brands and cultures, with a focus on Web 3.0CREW is about harnessing the power of community and RIOT is about the oxygen of action so we can reinvent the system from the outside. Let’s gather and make revolutions happen!
Amy Daroukakis is Founder of Culture Concierge, providing global businesses, agencies and innovative start-ups with strategic insights (culture, category, citizen, company) and emergent trends.
Amy is 'curious agnostic' and enjoys getting 'lost on purpose.'
In this conversation, we get lost on purpose with a 'brain dance' in that liminal space of being messy, inquiring, and inherently human.
Find out more here: https://cultureconcierge.co/
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Haris & Chloe are a a husband and wife duo who photograph and film multicultural weddings.
Haris is of Italian-Pakistani descent from London, and Chloe is a Chinese-Malaysian who grew up constantly on the move due to her father’s profession.
In this conversation, we explore everything from the need to hold space for cultural nuance and unspoken dynamics in weddings to breaking free from pre-determined 'wedding formulas' in order to capture the complexity of multicultural unions.
We discuss the importance of cultivating emotional safety, empathy and curiosity when tasked with witnessing the celebration of love and community that transcends religion, borders, ethnicities.
Find out more about them here: https://www.haychweddings.com/ https://www.instagram.com/haychweddings/
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Rajeev Balasubramanyam is a British writer. His first novel, IN BEAUTIFUL DISGUISES won a Betty Trask Prize and was nominated for the Guardian First Fiction Prize. In 2004 he was awarded the Clarissa Luard Prize for the best British writer under the age of 35. His latest novel is PROFESSOR CHANDRA FOLLOWS HIS BLISS which is translated into six languages and was the Bookseller’s book of the month in June 2019.
Rajeev holds a PhD in English, and degrees from the universities of Oxford and Cambridge. He has lived in London, Manchester, a remote Suffolk beach, Berlin, Kathmandu, and Hong Kong, where he was a Research Scholar in the Society of Scholars at Hong Kong University. He was a fellow of the Hemera Foundation from 2014-16, for writers with a meditation practice, and has been writer in residence at Crestone Zen Mountain Center and the Zen Center of New York City.
But it is through his Instagram account (@Rajeevwriter) exploring the fusion of politics and spirituality that I discover Rajeev's work.
Rajeev's journey is a fascinating one. We meet in St James Park under my favourite trees - two strangers, recording a conversation about how to engage with the world from a place of love, compassion and non-avoidance.
Find out more here: http://www.rajeevbalasubramanyam.com/
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Rebecca Robins is co-author of 'Five Generations at work: How we Win Together for Good.
The book starts with a quote by Anne Carson - ‘To stay human is to break a limitation.’
Ultimately this is what we discuss (alongside core themes in the book - Intergenerational Collaboration, Respect, Curiosity and most of all - Mutuality).
A linguist and philosopher by background we go down many rabbit holes that are ultimately about what it means (to quote John Berger) "defy the spaces which separates."
Link to book here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Five-Generations-Work-Together-Good/dp/139425220X
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Dr Rageshri Dhairwayan is an NHS Consultant in Sexual Health and HIV Medicine.
Her book 'Unheard: The Medical Practice of Silencing' takes us on a journey through history to show how not listening to patients has been ingrained in medicine from its inception.
Western medicine has been built on the assumption that power should always lie with the doctor, and that patients should be powerless to decisions made about their body if it is done to make them well. This, alongside the prejudices of society, has led to dramatic gaps in medical knowledge because for centuries people have not been heard.
Dr Dhairwayan offers a way to reshape our health system for a future where active and engaged listening is the new frontier.
Buy her book here: https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/unheard-the-medical-practice-of-silencing-dr-rageshri-dhairyawan/7647729?ean=9781398718692
Find our more about Dr Rageshri here: https://www.drrageshri.com/about
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Bernice Hewson is founder of Raising Racial Consciousness Ltd, an education and coaching organisation on a mission to disrupt our common-sense mode of thinking in pursuit of a racially equitable society.
She believes that if we’re serious about being effective coaches, we need to understand our own racial identity. That the coaching profession cannot operate in a bubble, detached from context. That coaching can be part of the solution to systemic harm - but only if we’re willing to face it.
Working with leadership teams, DEI practitioners, executive coaches and supervisors, she provides a critical thinking environment in which to learn and unlearn.
Towards the end of our conversation, we reference a Linkedin post she had shared about the tensions in coaching - here is the link to it: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/bernicehewson_contradictions-in-coaching-activity-7307702312620224512-lazY?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAVbYOYBWTEo34hLUrKQx9NeUq7CTFzGpOg
Find out more about her organisation here: https://raisingracialconsciousness.com/
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Ann Fordham and I have known each other since we were 11 years old (and my first ever podcast guest, recorded over 2 years ago*).
It was only fitting that I invited her back to talk about what it means to 'Age' as women today.
Having known each other for over three decades, we reflect at what it means to be at this stage in our lives and what it means to 'age' in our youth obsessed culture.
From Childhood insecurities to Botox to Gravestones, we cover lots of ground!
Ultimately, the art of 'ageing well' turns out to be same as 'living well.'
*Link to our first episode here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2C5lrWoB14UEVzaCnoyZlI?si=NfeUJuywRQa5bEYFB-tAqg
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Hetty Einzig and Liz Rivers created Purpose Power Presence to help women leaders recognise their brilliance, strengthen their resolve and fine tune their skills.
They have each trained to work at depth – in psychotherapy, neuropsychology, and embodiment techniques. Committed to bringing this depth to their work with women – it’s this combination of real world experience and deep self-awareness that forms the basis of their programmes .
In our conversation, they answer questions like: When was the last time you realised your insignificance in the world? What's an expression of love you're trying to get better at?
And how they're creating 'Archipelagos of Sanity'.
They both have decades of experience working in and with organisations, corporate and small businesses, charities and social movements.
Find out more about their programmes here:
Athena Leadership Intensive:
https://purpose-power-presence.com/athena-leadership-intensive/
Our free monthly webinars for women:
https://purpose-power-presence.com/free-resources/
Anima: Our ongoing group for women:
https://purpose-power-presence.com/anima-co-vision-groups/
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Pooja Sachdev is an experienced business psychologist, organisational consultant and founder of Rewire Consulting. She is co-author of 'Rewire: A Radical Approach to Tackling Diversity and Difference.'
We met when I was compelled to message her after reading this article: https://www.rewireconsulting.com/post/is-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-dei-too-western-centric
In this conversation, we share our reflections on an article we had just co-authored titled 'Feminism Across Cultures'.
Starting (and finishing our podcast chat) with the question 'Is My Mum a Feminist?' - this is an exploration in identity, our scripts growing up, and the different lenses we can wear to locate our place in this world as fellow 'feminists' !
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Dr Poornima Luthra is a speaker, author and leading academic who specialises in shifting mindsets towards inclusion.
In this episode, we dive into her learnings from listening to 920 minutes of podcast content from 'right wing voices' like Robby Starbuck, Jordan Peterson, Candace Owens, Matt Walsh, Joe Rogan, Tomi Lahren, Tucker Carlson, Lex Friedman, Andrew Tate and Coleman Hughes.
As a DEI researcher and practitioner, this was a project that was both challenging and insightful. Enjoy the conversation!
Listen to our previous podcast conversation: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5oDqZIMj7XsvBFB7cgoHc1?si=ONtl1SM3RvmZ9dnSxtWzCQ
Find out more about Dr Poornima here: https://poornimaluthra.com/#about
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Monika Jiang is a writer, community builder, and experience designer for meaningful connection, helping individuals and organisations navigate the journey from loneliness to oneliness - a state of wholeness and interdependence.
Being in reflective, curious conversation with a fellow Chinese immigrant and seeker of connection - felt like an appropriately intentional way to start 2025.
Find out more about her work here:
https://www.monikajiang.org/
https://oneliness.substack.com/about
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Daniel Guinness is co-founder and managing director of Beyond Equality - a charity dedicated to engaging boys and men in brave and transformative rethinking of what 'being a man' means.
From schools to workplaces, Beyond Equality equip boys and men with new perspectives, kick starting the process of community change, personal development and gender equality.
In this conversation, we explore Dan's personal journey to this work, myths of masculinity he's had to personally debunk, and the power of brave conversations.
Find out more about Beyond Equality here: https://www.beyondequality.org/
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Emma Warren is a journalist and author of 'Dance Your Way Home: A Journey Through the Dancefloor."
In this conversation, we discuss themes from her book ranging from:
"If you dance, you're a dancer" to "Dancing to the reality of our cross-cultural stories" to "dance as a form of protest" to what "bass face" is.
Her book inspired reflection about the power of dance, and what it means to see the dancefloor as a portal to solidarity and belonging.
A tune she can't resist dancing to: https://open.spotify.com/track/27gBxsxac6Y7ed7dLVIAjQ?si=YerfHZ8yS5KwadTUJ5ChGA
Upcoming summer event at the Southbank inspired by her book: https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/events/dance-your-way-home/
Link to her book here: https://www.faber.co.uk/author/emma-warren/
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Fadi Kattan is a Palestinian Chef from Bethlehem, owner of two restaurants: Akub in London and Fawda in Bethlehem.
He has also recently launched his first cookbook - Bethlehem: A Celebration of Palestinian Food.
I had the pleasure of sitting across the table from Fadi in his restaurant.
We talked about resilience, community, deep roots and the importance of preserving and celebrating the ancient culture of the Palestinian people.
We also finish the episode with him sampling a bowl of red bean soup made from my grandfather's slow cooker. An exchange of stories and cultures passed down through generations - in the form of a comforting bowl of soup.
Details on his cookbook here:https://www.akub-restaurant.com/shop/p/fadi-kattan-bethlehem-a-celebration-of-palestinian-food
Akub restaurant in London here: https://www.akub-restaurant.com/
The Cook for Palestine Supper Club here: https://www.akub-restaurant.com/event-tickets
About Fadi Kattan here: https://www.fadikattan.com/
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Elaine Lin Hering is a facilitator, speaker and writer who has recently launched her national bestseller book UNLEARNING SILENCE.
It's a book about the pervasive influence of silence.
How we've learned to be silent, how we've benefited from silence, how we've silenced others -and how we might choose another way.
Join us for an honest and reflective conversation about her book and how we might use our voices to be heart, to create spaces in which other people can be heard, and understading how power, identity, privilege and learned patters lead us to silence.
Find out more here:
https://elainelinhering.com/book/
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Sathnam Sanghera is a British journalist and the Sunday Times bestselling author of Empireland: How Modern Britain is Shaped by its Imperial Past.He has recently launched the highly-anticipated, acclaimed sequel to Empireland, *Empireworld: How British Imperialism Has Shaped the Globe.
In our conversation, we chat through the paradoxical legacies raised in his book through the lens of someone (me!) who was born and raised in an ex-British Colony, Malaysia.
Book Empireland and Empireworld made me see how intricately woven my life (and life choices) have been with the complex (and often contradictory) legacies of the British Empire.
Sathnam is also author of the novel Marriage Material and the memoir The Boy With The Topknot, (a memoir that was heartbreaking, laugh out loud funny, and tender in equal parts)*
Read all his books and find out more about him here:
https://www.sathnam.com/
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Dr. Anastasia Kārkliņa Gabriel is a cultural theorist, writer, social critic, and strategist specializing in inclusivity within marketing, media, and tech.
She has recently published her first book - Cultural Intelligence for Marketers: Building an Inclusive Marketing Strategy.
In this conversation, we discuss her early years, the formative power of education, critical social conciousness, knowing our red lines and the importance of inclusive marketing.
Find out more here: https://www.anastasiakgabriel.com/
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Dr Poornima Luthra is a recognized author, keynote speaker, business consultant, and leading practitioner-academic in the field of talent management and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI).
She is the author of Leading Through Bias (Palgrave-Macmillan, January 2024), The Art of Active Allyship (November 2022), and Diversifying Diversity (May 2021) and is a contributor to Harvard Business Review on topics related to DEI.
An Associate Professor at the Copenhagen Business School and the founder and CEO of TalentED Consultancy, she is a passionate purpose-driven educator who believes in the power of positive change and influence through education. Through her teaching and practitioner research, she actively works to shift mindsets in the area of talent management and leadership, with a focus on diversity and inclusion.
In this conversation, we talk about her Ikigai, raising feminist sons, the importance of unlearning, leading through conviction and more! Enjoy!
Find out more about her here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-poornima-luthra-she-her-b09128100/
https://www.talented.dk/
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Nathalia is a Lebanese spoken word artist, living in London and exploring ideas of cultural identity and belonging through the power of spoken word.
We explore ideas around where 'home' is, the power of language and our 'mother tongue', reconnecting with our roots, our traditions, and the desire to connect through language and art.
It was a joy to launch into conversation with a total stranger, wandering down paths that were both exploratory and meaningful.
Find our more about Nathalia here:
https://linktr.ee/fractions_of_existence
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Paff Evara is a Writer, Creator and Futurist.
They are a Co-Founder of Take Up Space - a community led media company and platform for culture makers, experimenting with Blockchain and co-creation to help creators monetise their most authentic work.
In this conversation, we talk about their evolution journey, growing up as a mixed race, queer, and later diagnosed neurodivergent Australian - finding belonging in different communities, and holding spaces for others in their quest to create inclusive spaces.
I loved Paff's reference to how they're grappling with how we might create inclusive spaces on top of oppressive systems, and the importance of taking a step back to figure out how we might dismantle these systems.
Complex concepts without easy answers, but an important one to grapple with.
Enjoy our conversation!
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Rafia Zakaria is a Pakistani-American attorney, feminist, journalist and author of an eye opening book I’d recently read - ‘Against White Feminism.’
She believes in an expanded feminist conversation that involves retrieving stories around the world - widening our vocabulary of feminist strength across different cultures.
She says: “We need to excavate and retrieve stories that will lead to an expanded self understanding necessary for a universal feminist consciousness.”
“We need a project of retrieval, because we have an incomplete picture of feminism right now.”
Despite its provocative title, this book is not a scolding but an invitation.
An invitation to examine our own complicity within oppressive, capitalist structures, and to embark on our journey of 'unlearning' in order to rebuild a new and better world.
Find out more about here here: https://www.rafiazakaria.com/
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I'm kicking off 2024 with Tim Leberecht, author, entrepreneur and Co-Founder of the House of Beautiful Business, a global think tank and community on a mission to make humans more human and business more beautiful.
In this episode, we explore Tim's intentions for 2024, the value (and difficulty) of thoughtful dissent, the different roles we can all play in social change (from activism to stroytellers) and what 'Between the Two of Us' means - the theme of his upcoming 2 part festival for the Life-Centred Economy in May and Sept this year.
We also talk about what makes him an unapologetic romantic today (prompted by his book 'The Business Romantic').
Enjoy our chat and I hope 2024 finds you well.
Links to The House of Beautiful Business & festival details below:
https://houseofbeautifulbusiness.com/
https://houseofbeautifulbusiness.com/betweenthe2ofus
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Let's call this the end of year bonus special because in this episode, I talk to my first ever boyfriend from ‘high school’.
Dr Andrew Chin is a shark scientist, who runs a fisheries lab at James Cook University. He has worked at the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority and his research has focused on coastal ecology and fisheries, particularly sharks and rays.
But we discuss NONE of this (which would have undoubtedly been fascinating) because we decide to get into the REAL stuff like teenage torment, his evolving relationship with religion, being jealous of Bono from U2 (!), his thoughts on modern masculinity and grappling with his mixed race heritage.
I almost chickened out from sharing this recording because it felt intensely personal. But our conversation also felt like unfolding an old letter tucked away in the corner of my attic and discovering that it still sparkled.
So in the end, it felt like a conversation worth sharing. An exercise in bravery, vulnerability and a big dose of crazy. Enjoy!
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Kyle Tran Myhre (aka Guante) is a poet-activist-educator whose work explores the relationships between narrative, power, and resistance. He’s performed at the United Nations, been a member of two National Poetry Slam championship teams, and visited countless colleges, conferences, and festivals, using spoken word and storytelling as doorways into critical dialogue. His most recent book, Not a Lot of Reasons to Sing, But Enough, is available now via Button Poetry.
In our conversation, we talk about that Fred Again song (Kyle), the simple act of showing up, translating the abstract into the specific for change, the power of art and poetry to plant seeds and open doorways to deeper engagement.
Find out more about his work here:
https://guante.info/
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In this episode, I chat to Dr Simon Western, a leading academic and practitioner in coaching and leadership.
He is the Founder CEO of The Eco-Leadereship Institute - an ethical leadership approach framework to orient organisations towards success in our networked and interdependent world.
We talk about his interest in people, being deeply curious and a strong developmental urge that drives his work, what 'Re-enchanting our Worlds' means to him (and being dis-enchanted), getting leaders to think in terms of 'ecosystems', learning about eco-leadership from queer theory and social movements, how change happens at the edges, and what 'Staying with the trouble' means to him.
He is also author of Leadership a Critical Text (3rd ed.Sage 2019), Coaching and Mentoring a critical text (Sage 2012), and co-author of Global Leadership Perspectives: Insights and Analysis (Sage 2018).
Find out more here: https://ecoleadershipinstitute.org/
His 'Edgy Ideas' podcast here: https://ecoleadershipinstitute.org/edgy-ideas
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This episode is about honouring our human capacity for Hope.
In current times, we need HOPE more than ever.
So instead of one guest, I have featured many beautiful guests, sharing their voice notes with me on what HOPE means to them.
A massive thank you to all my contributors for being so open and generous with their little slices of hope.
I sincerely believe that hope is found in all the stories we tell each other, and in all the in-between spaces in life we so often overlook. Above all - Hope is a choice.
Sending love and light to all of you xx
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Hetty Einzig brings over 30 years of psychology and executive coaching experience to global leadership. She is author of 'The Future of Coaching' - a brilliant book examining the role of coaching and leadership in today's volatile and complex world.
In this conversation, we cover so much, from :
- What is coaching (and what is Transpersonal coaching)
- How to find the right coach for you
- The importance of values
- Cultural difference and language
- Being a psychological container for the distress of others
- The power of Radical Hope
For anyone interesting in the practise of coaching, and beyond that - how to be whole human beings - this is a conversation worth listening to at least twice (And take notes)! Enjoy!
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Angela Saini is an award winning British Science journalist, broadcaster and author. Her most recent book, "The Patriarch: How men came to rule" was the focus of our conversation in Episode 8 , Season 1.
Given the fact that 'the patriarchy' was mentioned at least 10 times in the Barbie movie, I thought it'd be fun (and insightful!) to speak to Angela again about whether the patriarchy is indeed about horses, and what her favourite moments in the movie were.
Find out more about Angela's work here: https://www.angelasaini.co.uk/
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Ruchika Tulshyan is the best-selling author of "Inclusion on Purpose: An intersectional approach to creating a culture of Belonging."
She is also the founder of Candour, an inclusion strategy practise.
A former international business journalist, Ruchika is a regular contributor to The New York Times and Harvard Business Review and a recognized media expert on inclusive leadership and workplace culture.
In this conversation, we talk about what makes Ruchika's heart sing.
It was a joy to talk so honestly together about identity, belonging, and staying true to what really matters.
Find out more about her here: https://www.rtulshyan.com/
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Welcome to my first guest for Season 2!
Lori Meakin, author of 'No More Menemies' talks about how we get past the gender wars and 'menemies' mindset to build a better world that serves us all.
But instead of telling men how they should change, she’s spent hours talking to all kinds of men, from undergrads to grandads, to understand what it feel like to be a man right now; and to try and find reasons why men might want to lean in to gender equality.
Our conversation is insightful, and hopefully one that will get you thinking about how we can cross this gender divide with compassion and open hearts.
Link to 'No More Menemies' on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-More-Menemies-Getting-frustration/dp/1739745310
More about Lori Meakin and her company 'The Others & Me':
https://www.theothersandme.com/about
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A little intro to say Hi, a big hearty THANK YOU to my listeners, some reflections on my learnings from Season 1 and Hooray for the start of Season 2 with some exciting new guests!
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Tara Robertson is a leadership coach and consultant for people who take a stand for inclusion, equity and job. She champions women of colour in corporate spaces and senior white leaders who want to go from intellectualising inclusivity to taking everyday action.
As a consultant, she works with leaders hungry for systemic change using a DEI lens.
You can find more about her here: https://tararobertson.ca/
and on Linkedin here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tararobertson/
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Leticia Galdon is a humanitarian entrepreneur and Founder & CEO of Blue Hope - a training and development company supporting forcibly displaced professionals to pick themselves up and present themselves to the market with courage and a network of support, so they can access the opportunities that match their skills.
She has dedicated her adult life to address inequity and is on a continuing journey to making the world a better place.
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Angela Saini is an award winning British Science journalist, broadcaster and author. Her most recent book, "The Patriarchs: How men came to rule" is the focus of our conversation.
Learn more about her here: https://www.angelasaini.co.uk/
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Jindy Mann is a leadership coach, organisational consultant and founder of Leader Brother Son, a group dedicated to facilitating research and dialogue that challenge the traditional notions of masculinity and male identity.
You can find out more at www.leaderbrotherson.com
For his coaching services: www.selfishleader.com
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Zoé Kennedy is founder of Spark & Co. a consultancy advising on staff led inclusion. A staff network expert, she advises workplace networks on how to lead cultural change. From Redfern, Sydney - we talk about the influences & experiences that have shaped her, and the importance of recognising a country's indigenous history.
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Meera Ghanshamdas is co-director of Round Table Books, a community interest bookshop that holds only diverse titles for kids & adults. We talk about her love of books & bookshops (of course!) , cultural identity and the power of stories.
Check out Roundtable Books here: https://www.roundtablebooks.co.uk/
Also big shout out to Afrori Books - a bookshop in Brighton with the largest selection of books by Black Authors in the UK. They are at risk of closing because rent has quadrupled so do help with their crowdfunder if you can!
Link here: https://afroribooks.co.uk/products/donate-here
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Amber Coleman-Mortley leads Community & Culture at The Female Quotient. She launched a podcast with her 3 children during the pandemic called 'Let's K12 Better' , has a blog called 'Mom of All Capes', and lives a life centered around equality, equity and civic/communal practices. Amber is an all-round badass woman who also shares my passion for the art of dinner table conversations.
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TW: Suicide
Tia Castagno is the Founder of UnlockYourBlock - an organisation that helps women make bold career & lifestyle changes. Tia coached me through my transition from corporate life to taking the big leap of starting my own business, so in this episode, I have the pleasure of turning the tables to explore her story and how she arrived at the purpose led work she does today.
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Emma Palmer is a social justice advocate, an ex-police officer, a passionate runner and currently Head of Inclusion & Equity. We cover a lot of ground, from her happy coming out story to what frustrates her, and what gives her joy today.
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In this first episode, I invite Ann Fordham, my best friend since I was 11 years old, to chat about our childhood memories, our evolving identities, and the importance of being kind to yourself. If you'd like to find out what pogo sticks and pigs intestines have in common - give it a listen!
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What's CREW & RIOT?
It's the honest and fearless conversations about how to challenge the status quo as a woman in 2023.
Hosted by Chin Ru, founder of Crew & Riot, a company that helps leaders build Inclusive brands and cultures, with a focus on Web 3.0
CREW is about harnessing the power of community and RIOT is about the oxygen of action so we can reinvent the system from the outside.
Let’s gather and make revolutions happen.
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