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The In Trust Center podcast is a weekly series hosted by staff, with new episodes released every Tuesday morning. Walk alongside theological school leaders and innovators as they explore issues relevant to North American seminaries, all while helping institutions live out their missions more intentionally.
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Scott Thumma, Ph.D., has spent decades studying congregations, megachurches, and religious trends in America. In this episode, he discusses what the latest research reveals about the state of congregational life after the pandemic—and why theological education should pay attention. Drawing on the Hartford Institute for Religion Research’s extensive research project called EPIC, Exploring the Pandemic Impact on Congregations, Thumma describes an unexpected shift from post-pandemic uncertainty to renewed stability, increased attendance, stronger giving, and a growing sense of hope among many churches. He argues that congregations have discovered they can change, and that willingness to adapt may prove to be one of the pandemic's most lasting effects. The conversation also explores what seminaries should do with these findings, from preparing leaders for collaboration, technology, and entrepreneurship to rethinking assumptions about ministry in an era of changing attendance patterns and evolving spiritual practices. Rather than predicting an inevitable decline for American religion, Thumma sees new opportunities emerging – provided church leaders and theological schools are willing to innovate. Thumma recently retired as director of the Hartford Institute for Religion Research and professor of the sociology of religion at Hartford International University for Religion and Peace.
The Hartford Institute for Religion Research has explored religion for more than 40 years and its work continues. It can be found here.
The Exploring the Pandemic Impact on Congregations is here.
The most recent report from the EPIC project is here.
The Faith Communities Today research is here.
You can find more information about Scott Thumma, including his CV and publications, here.
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When the board of Luther Seminary in Minnesota voted unanimously to sell its 120-year-old campus, it came after years of deep listening, careful research, and a healthy culture of shared governance. In this episode, President Robin Steinke explains how the institution was prepared to make a significant decision through years of preparation. The seminary focused on its mission, gathered meaningful data, and created a culture that encouraged curiosity instead of certainty. Steinke shares practical lessons for presidents, faculty, and trustees on navigating institutional change with transparency, trust, and courage. Whether a school is facing enrollment challenges, financial pressures, or questions about its future, this conversation offers a thoughtful framework for leading difficult conversations while remaining faithful to mission.
You can read more about the move here from this June 2025 release and here from July 2025.
Steinke was honored with a Distinguished Service Award at the Association of Theological Schools Biennial in June 2026. Learn more here.
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The future of theological education will require more than small adjustments – it will require leadership willing to rethink long-held assumptions. In this episode, higher education strategist Rick Staisloff reflects on decades of experience helping colleges and seminaries navigate financial, demographic, and cultural change.
The conversation explores why many institutions face growing financial pressures, why today's challenges are rooted in changing markets rather than marketing, and why boards must honestly assess their long-term sustainability. Staisloff argues that strategic partnerships, from shared services to deeper institutional collaborations, are becoming an essential tool for strengthening mission rather than a sign of failure.
Listeners will hear practical guidance for boards and presidents on evaluating their business models, identifying the right partners, and understanding the difference between solving immediate financial problems and pursuing long-term transformation. Above all, the discussion emphasizes that healthy institutions begin these conversations before crisis forces their hand.
For theological schools committed to serving the church in a changing world, this episode offers practical insights into leading with clarity, courage, and a renewed focus on mission.
You can see a piece Rick Staisloff wrote collaborative transformation here.
You can read an article about Rick Staisloff's advice to board here.
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What actually makes a governing board effective, especially in times of institutional uncertainty, leadership turnover, and rapid change?
In Trust Center President Amy Kardash and David Rowe, project director of the Center’s Governance Initiative, discuss of the initiative’s study – the most extensive governance study of ATS-accredited schools. Drawing from research involving more than 1,100 respondents, interviews with presidents and board chairs, and on-site board observations, the research explores the governance practices most closely tied to institutional effectiveness.
Kardash and Rowe discuss findings, including that frequent presidential turnover correlates with weaker institutional effectiveness. They discuss how boards can think beyond simply hiring leaders and move toward sustaining them through difficult seasons of change. The discussion also examines how ambiguity around board roles and governance models can undermine effectiveness, while clarity, shared expectations, and intentional board development strengthen institutional leadership.
Rather than offering simplistic formulas, the episode invites boards to ask deeper questions about mission stewardship, leadership support, and how governance must evolve to meet the realities facing theological schools today.
Links mentioned in the podcast include:
A Spring 2026 article about the Governance Initiative’s research.
The Governance Initiative webpage, which includes a grant opportunity.
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What does it mean to finish well? The Rev. Dr. Colleen Derr reflects on one of leadership’s most difficult responsibilities: knowing when, and how, to finish well. A former seminary president, Derr draws on her experience leading Eastern Nazarene College through its final chapter and offers a candid and hopeful perspective on institutional closure. She shares the realities of financial distress, the weight of inherited decisions, and the emotional and spiritual complexity of guiding a beloved institution to its end. The story is one of faithfulness to stewarding the final chapter well. Derr highlights the importance of mission clarity, courageous leadership, and honoring people over place. For leaders navigating uncertainty, this conversation provides both practical insight and a deeply human vision for ending with integrity and purpose.
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As artificial intelligence rapidly reshapes daily life, theological leaders face deeper questions than efficiency or innovation alone. In this episode, Dr. Meghan Sullivan of the University of Notre Dame explores how AI is already transforming human experience and why this moment demands ethical and theological engagement. Drawing on new work funded by Lilly Endowment Inc., Sullivan introduces the DELTA framework to help leaders think clearly about human flourishing in an AI-driven world and encourages Christian leaders to move toward thoughtful, hope-filled engagement. She highlights the risks of outsourcing human formation to technology while also pointing to new opportunities for theological education to meet a growing cultural hunger for meaning, purpose, and spiritual depth. For seminaries, churches, and faith-based institutions, the challenge is clear: remain grounded in mission while wisely discerning whether and how to integrate AI into the work of forming people.
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Learn about the DELTA framework and hear Dr. Sullivan's plenary address about it here.
Read a discussion about AI in theological education with Greg Henson and Ruth McGillivray here.
Learn about Acadia Divinity College's experience and experimentation with AI here.
Read about how a minister experienced AI in the work here.
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Theological education is experiencing significant pressure, but the root challenge may be deeper than enrollment declines or financial strain. In this episode, Aaron Einfeld, Ph.D., discusses how institutions may often misread the moment by interpreting new realities through long-standing assumptions about how formation should occur. Many prospective leaders still desire rigorous theological preparation, yet traditional models can be inaccessible in terms of time, structure, and delivery. Einfeld, an expert in higher education and learning models, discusses the difficulty of change in organizations and how schools can make sense of their circumstances. He also suggests how schools can rethink their roles not simply as providers of accredited degrees, but as lifelong partners in developing effective ministry leaders. Churches worldwide are seeking capable, contextually grounded leadership, highlighting a potential misalignment between what seminaries offer and what ministry requires. Moving forward will likely involve difficult change, including acknowledging loss and revisiting institutional identity, but renewal is possible for schools willing to reimagine their purpose in service of the church.
You can reach Aaron Einfeld at Awaken Leadership Solutions here.
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As federal policies reshape higher education, leaders of theological schools face unprecedented pressure to adapt while staying true to their mission. In this insightful conversation, governance expert David Rowe and higher education law scholar Peter Lake examine what rapid regulatory change, funding realities, and cultural debates mean for boards and presidents today. They explore how institutions can move beyond short-term compliance to address deeper questions of mission, accountability, accreditation, and public trust. The discussion offers practical guidance on managing uncertainty, communicating educational value, and strengthening resilience in volatile times. Thoughtful and forward-looking, this episode highlights both the risks and the opportunities emerging from today’s policy environment – equipping leaders to govern wisely, act strategically, and sustain mission-driven education for the future.
For previous discussions on governance and regulation, see:
Ep. 96: Navigating new realities – policy shifts and theological education
Ep. 92: Faith, law, and the future: Governance in a shifting regulatory environment
Ep. 89: Rooted and ready: Strengthening theological schools amid regulatory upheaval
For David Rowe's Windermere Consulting, go here. For Peter Lake, you can find more here.
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What does faithful leadership look like for theological schools in 2026? In this forward-looking conversation, Frank Yamada, executive director of the Association of Theological Schools, and Amy Kardash, the president of the In Trust Center, reflect on a season marked by both turbulence and possibility. In conversation with host Matt Hufman, they examine how creativity is emerging amid regulatory uncertainty, financial pressure, and leadership transition – and why collaboration across institutions has become one of the field’s greatest strengths. Drawing on recent data, grant initiatives, and board research, the discussion highlights reasons for cautious optimism, including enrollment growth and new approaches to theological formation. The episode concludes with a thoughtful look at artificial intelligence, inviting leaders to engage both the theological questions and the practical realities of a technology already reshaping higher education. The conversation frames several timely questions for school leaders and board of directors as they plan for the year ahead.
This episode includes discussion about several resources. Those include:
Out of Chaos Comes Creativity — a discussion with Frank Yamada
Notre Dame University’s DELTA framework for considering artificial intelligence
Considering the value proposition of theological education from the winter 2026 In Trust magazine.
A piece about executive turnover in ATS-accredited schools by Frank Yamada.
The December 2025 issue of the ATS newsletter Colloquy, which includes information about enrollment increases.
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What are the trends in governance – the new ways to make things work? First, look to the past. Governance expert Rebekah Basinger, Ed.D., reflects on what theological schools can learn by revisiting enduring principles of board leadership. Drawing on decades of experience, the conversation explores why good governance wisdom remains remarkably consistent – even as pressures from finances, regulation, and post-COVID realities intensify. Basinger names challenges such as executive turnover, shrinking and fatigued boards, and the lingering effects of “long COVID” on board culture and engagement. At the same time, she offers a hopeful vision: boards that reclaim their fiduciary role, invest in meaningful relationships, and approach governance as shared stewardship of mission. The episode invites board members and leaders alike to slow down, ask better questions, and rediscover why their work – and their presence – truly matters.
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In this episode, the Rev. Dr. David Rowe reflects on the sweeping changes affecting higher education and how these pressures are reshaping theological schools. Demographic decline, reduced church demand, and shrinking revenue streams have created intense competition among an oversupply of institutions. Rowe argues that schools must clarify their value proposition by understanding what students actually need and are willing to pay for. He highlights the importance of distinguishing between service, experience, and transformational educational models and aligning each with sustainable economics. He encourages boards to rethink mission, foster experimentation, and explore new audiences to meet today’s real ministry and societal needs.
You can find David Rowe at Windermere Consulting here.
Daniel O. Aleshire's book mentioned in the podcast is here.
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How do you create a community online, particularly among the shifting landscape of theological education? Pacific School of Religion has been working to answer that with Kwaray, an online learning platform that creates a virtual “neighborhood.” PSR President David Vasquez-Levy and Vice President Byron Chung discuss the distributed learning network, created with funding through Lilly Endowment Inc.’s Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative. The platform gives schools and groups a way to create their own communities and join others through an innovative platform that can be “white labeled” for school use. PSR has worked to pair technology with deep community engagement as well as stackable credentials and a “zero-entry” approach that lowers barriers to participation. The discussion also explores how schools use adaptive strategies for the shifting educational landscape. You can find out more at Kwaray here and at PSR’s Kwaray website here.
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Catholic Theological Union in Chicago is shaping a vibrant approach to theological education to help shape the Catholic Church. Dr. Karen Ross discusses how the Pathways for Tomorrow initiative has helped create a living-learning community that empowers young adults—especially from marginalized backgrounds—to co-create the Church of tomorrow. Through scholarships, housing, and leadership opportunities, CTU is forming a new generation of lay leaders whose ministries extend beyond traditional church roles into social justice, education, and community life. Learn about CTU's program on its website here.
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Federal policy shifts are reshaping higher education, and as details are still being understood, Peter Lake and David Rowe discuss what they mean for theological schools and how leaders can prepare. They explore new regulatory pressures, financial strains, and cultural changes affecting governance and mission. They offer leaders practical insight and encouragement to stay rooted in their theological convictions while navigating uncertain times.
Text of Education Secretary Linda McMahon's Sept. 8, 2025, speech at Hillsdale College can be found here.
The U.S. Supreme Court case "Sweezy v. New Hampshire" can be found here.
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Competency-based theological education (CBTE) is reshaping how future church leaders are formed – and it’s more than just skills training. In this episode, Dr. Susan Reese of Kairos University and Dr. Nathan Hitchcock, CBTE consultant, discuss how this approach emphasizes character, spiritual formation, and lived practice alongside academics. From mentoring and integration with local churches to assessing “heart” competencies like friendship, rest, and resilience, They also discuss issues like assessment and rigor and offer reasons why schools may consider CBTE.
The CBTE 2025 conference (in November 2025) was referenced in the show. You can find out more here.
The book "Theological Education: Principles and Practices of a Competency-Based Approach" was also mentioned. It can be found on Amazon here. (The In Trust Center does not earn any compensation from the link.)
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As the Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative reaches its midpoint, theological schools are navigating both promising innovations and growing tensions. In this episode, Matt Hufman speaks with Jo Ann Deasy of ATS and Amy Kardash of the In Trust Center about how schools are reassessing mission, sustainability, and alignment. With new programs, nontraditional students, and expanded collaborations, institutions are rethinking everything from board engagement to what success really means. While some schools are thriving through strategic alignment, others face challenges in leadership turnover, funding models, and adapting to shifting demands. The conversation underscores a growing shift from competition to collaboration, and a recognition that long-term vitality requires deep listening, experimentation, and clarity about mission.
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As the world of artificial intelligence advances in theological education, leaders can stay ahead and find ways forward. In this episode, the Rev. Tay Moss, who has been a leading voice on AI in the Church and theological education, considers how leaders and institutions can engage AI wisely – balancing innovation, ethics, and integrity. This episode considers what it means to be human and bring a theological framework to new technology, and how schools can use new assessment models and spiritual assessment tools. This episode helps leaders keep up on the emerging trends and provides ways for schools to further explore. Moss has done extensive work in AI, including developing new technologies for churches and teaching on it. He can be reached here. He was previously on the podcast in Episode 78.
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What happens when federal education policy changes, roiling higher education, without specifically mentioning theological education? The Rev. Dr. David Rowe and Law Professor Peter Lake unpack the ripple effects of new regulations, executive orders, and court cases on theological schools. From accreditation challenges to spiritual care for students and the risk of mission drift, this conversation offers thoughtful frameworks for boards and presidents navigating chaos. David Rowe can be reached here. Peter Lake can be reached here. The legal case that Peter Lake mentions is Catholic Charities Bureau Inc. et al v. Wisconsin Labor & Industry Review Commission et al. The previous podcast episode can be found here.
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What if collaboration wasn’t a tactic, but a way of being? In this episode, Greg Henson and Tony Blair of Kairos University discuss their recent article “Coworkers in the Vineyard: A Renewed Spirit of Collaboration Within Theological Education” about collaboration in theological education and challenge assumptions about competition, mission, and governance. Drawing on research and firsthand experience, they call for adaptive change, reimagine theological formation, and practice collaboration rooted in trust, not survival. With fresh insights on governance, institutional identity, and discipleship, this episode is a must for boards and executives rethinking what’s possible in today’s shifting landscape. You can find the full article here. It's in volume 24 (2025) of Christian Higher Education.
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Could theological schools be missing a vital piece of ministry formation? Dr. Darryl Stephens joins the podcast to explore diaconal studies— a growing movement that prepares deacons for ministry beyond the pulpit and into the community. With insights from global models and a new open-access volume featuring 21 authors, Stephens invites schools to broaden their mission, extend their reach, and equip more leaders for today’s multifaceted church. The e-version of the book, "Diaconal Studies: Lived Theology for the Church in North America," is offered without cost here. A previous open-access book edited by Stephens mentioned in the podcast, "Bivocational and Beyond: Educating for Thriving Multivocational Ministry," is available at Books@Atla Open Press here.
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In a time of political shifts and regulatory uncertainty, the Good Governance podcast dives into how theological school leaders can respond with clarity and authenticity. Governance expert the Rev. Dr. David Rowe and law professor Peter Lake, a higher education policy expert, discuss navigating potential changes to federal education policy, including impacts on Title IV, Title IX, and accreditation. They offer practical guidance for boards and presidents — emphasizing mission alignment, shared governance, and measured leadership. This episode is essential listening for those guiding faith-based institutions through complex and fast-changing landscapes. David Rowe can be reached here. Peter Lake can be reached here.
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As theological schools consider how to prepare for the future, a Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grant is offering institutions an opportunity for shared services. AdminWise Shared Services, a nonprofit started out of a Lilly Endowment grant, is now offering a slate of administrative functions to help theological schools. Jeff Williams, the president of the group and director of the grant program at Anabaptist Mennonite Biblical Seminary that created it, talks about how the group can provide expertise to schools and provide strategic direction. AdminWise Shared Services website is here.
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What does it take to lead a theological institution today? Auburn Seminary is relaunching Auburn Studies, beginning with a valuable report on leadership. In this episode, the Rev. Dr. Patrick Reyes, dean of Auburn Seminary, shares key trends in the field, and study author, the Very Rev. Dr. Michael DeLashmutt of General Theological Seminary, explains what his research uncovered. They discuss the increasing turnover among presidents and deans, the immense personal and institutional weight of leadership, and how leaders can navigate these pressures. The report is due out in April. You'll be able to find it at Auburn Seminary's website.
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Dr. Rebekah Burch Basinger sees fundraising as a vital ministry that can shape faith and fuel the work of theological education. An expert in fundraising, Basinger revisits her book "Growing Givers' Hearts" on its 25th anniversary and explores the power of generosity, breaking the scarcity mindset and embracing God’s abundance. She shares insights from her research, offering practical wisdom for boards, presidents, and leaders to treat fundraising as an expression of faith. Learn how theological schools can inspire donors, strengthen financial health, and model a spirit of generosity that transforms future church leaders.
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Theological schools across North America are at a pivotal moment. In this episode, Rev. Frank Yamada, Ph.D., executive director of the Association of Theological Schools, and Amy Kardash, president of the In Trust Center for Theological Schools, discuss both the challenges and opportunities shaping the future of theological education. They explore pressing issues such as financial sustainability, leadership transitions, and shifting student demographics, while also highlighting how boards and leaders can navigate these changes.
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Acadia Divinity College in Canada has been experimenting with AI and exploring the future of theological education and the church. The Rev. Anna Robbins, Ph.D., discusses what the school has done (including offering an AI-developed class) and describes AI's moment in history as akin to the printing press because of its transformative nature. She considers the mission of theological schools, the accessibility of AI, and how schools might preserve human connection and formation.
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Research by scholars at the Association of Theological Schools suggests a misalignment between how students in theological schools are being trained and what the workforce needs. Dr. Deborah Gin and the Rev. Dr. Jo Ann Deasy of ATS explain the research, the misalignments, and ways that schools can move forward to better prepare students.
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Lilly Endowment Inc.’s expanded Pathways for Tomorrow initiative will offer up to $325 million to help theological schools accredited by the Association for Theological Schools collaborate and innovate. The Rev. Dr. Jo Ann Deasy of ATS, who oversees the Pathways coordination work, offers insights on what Pathways has accomplished so far – including help for underserved communities, new partnerships, and trauma-informed pedagogy – and what could be ahead. With grants for individual innovation and large-scale collaborations, the initiative prioritizes sustainability and partnerships and offers funding for shared endowments. The goal of the initiative is to help schools prepare ministers and lay leaders for the church.
Links mentioned in the episode:
Lilly Endowment's Pathways for Tomorrow page.
The Pathways Coordination page with contacts and dates for information sessions.
The In Trust Center's Pathways for Tomorrow page.
ATS' Pathways for Tomorrow page.
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The Assemblies of God Theological Seminary in Springfield, Missouri, is using Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grants to create new ways for people from underserved communities to get a theological education. In this episode, the Rev. Drs. Sergio Navarrete and Darin Poe discuss how the school is using innovative, bilingual, and online programs to try to equip a new generation of ministry leaders. They talk about how they're addressing leadership shortages in churches with programs that blend mentorship, affordability, and relationships to educate and empower students to fulfill their callings.
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Eden Theological Seminary President the Rev. Dr. Deborah Krause and Vice President for Institutional Advancement the Rev. Dr. Mary Schaller Blaufuss discuss how the 175-year-old seminary is moving into a new model of education. Using a Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grant, the seminary has formed a network of other likeminded seminaries to offer classes to students, as well as provide a range of non-degree classes for ministers. They discuss how they do the work and how it's reaching new audiences.
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A congregational leader and strategist, the Rev. Tod Bolsinger, Ph.D., discusses the need for adaptive leadership in theological education. Bolsinger shares insights from his latest book series, including tackling the challenges of leading through change, handling internal resistance, and realigning missions in a post-pandemic world. Bolsinger discusses rethinking old models and learning from experimentation. He emphasizes that effective transformation isn’t about working harder but adapting wisely.
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The Rev. Tay Moss, an Episcopalian priest, media producer, and educator, has produced an AI-drive webpage to help people explore the Anglican church – AskCathy.ai – and in this episode explores the potential of AI for theological schools and how they can use it to enhance student engagement and streamline access to information. As well, he discusses the potential for new pedagogy as well as the challenges that AI offers schools and provides some thoughts about how schools and leaders can start to think about engaging with AI.
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The Rev. Nancy Claire Pittman, Ph.D., is retiring as president of Phillips Theological Seminary in Tulsa, Oklahoma, after a long career in both the church and theological education. She reflects on the changes at Phillips and the transformation that has taken place there, including how the school uses the city as a place to learn. She also considers what she wished she knew about shared governance, working with a board, and the role of president.
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The Rev. Dr. David Vasquez-Levy, president of Pacific School of Theology in Berkeley, California, discusses how the school is using its Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grant to create a new ecosystem that includes not just technology but also efforts to reconsider educational modes and methods. The school's programming includes a stackable curriculum and challenges traditional standards.
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Rick Staisloff, a consultant with a long history in higher education, explores how theological institutions can thrive amid change by embracing strategic partnerships and shared services. He stresses the importance of aligning with student needs and maintaining a mission-driven approach while calling this a historic time that demands courage. You can find out more about Rick here.
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The Rev. Heather Hartung, Ph.D., has been a student, minister, faculty member, dean, and member of a theological school board. She now serves as a director of accreditation with the Association of Theological Schools. In this episode of the podcast, she discusses how boards and leaders of theological schools can approach shared governance from various perspectives. You can find more information about the podcast, including links referenced in the episode, at Episode 74 at intrust.org/podcast.
The Rev. Dr. Joanne Rodriguez, executive director of the Hispanic Theological Initiative, was honored with the 2024 Women in Leadership Trailblazer Award by the Association of Theological Schools. She didn't intend to go into theological education, but for a quarter of a century has helped create pathways for others in the field. She shared about dealing with a scarcity mindset, making room for others, and leading through difficult times. HTI's website can be found here. The ATS award can be found here. ATS' Women in Leadership page is here.
The Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative was designed by Lilly Endowment Inc. to create ways for theological schools in North America to train ministers for Christian churches. The Rev. Dr. Jo Ann Deasy, director of institutional initiatives of the Association of Theological Schools, and Amy Kardash, president of the In Trust Center for Theological Schools, discuss key findings and themes. ATS and the In Trust Center are co-coordinating the initiative. Learn more at:
- ATS' Pathways page.
- A project directory.
- The In Trust Center's page, which includes stories, webinars, podcasts, and more.
An award-winning author and longtime pastor's wife, Karen Stiller admits to a struggle with the concept of holiness. In her new book, Holiness Here: Searching for God in the Ordinary Events of Everyday Life , Stiller addresses the everyday tension between what we want to do and where we are in a book that could be used devotionally or in a seminary classroom. As a board member of a theological school, Stiller also reflects on what makes governance holy. The book can be found here.
NAIITS, an Indigenous Learning Community, is using Pathways for Tomorrow grants to explore ways to decolonize theology and provide trauma-informed education for the Indigenous community. Shari Russell, the director of NAIITS, and Mike Hogeterp, lead facilitator, discuss the project and the ways they're approaching the work ahead.
McCormick Theological Seminary is using a Lilly Endowment Inc. Pathways for Tomorrow grant to explore how to help people heal from trauma. The Heart-Work Rising Trauma Healing Initiative is exploring theological education that will help students to be trauma-informed. The Rev. Dr. Stephanie Crumpton and Dr. Jina Kang discuss the impact of trauma-informed education, the integration of restorative justice and biblical interpretation, and the transformative potential for theological institutions.
At China Evangelical Seminary North America (CESNA), leaders are looking at ways to engage leaders and congregants of immigrant churches. They've done so with new programming aimed at helping congregations, including a Center for Public Theology. Drs. Frank and Anita Liu, leaders at CESNA, explain how they're doing that with a Pathways for Tomorrow grant from Lilly Endowment Inc.
Dr. Rebekah Burch Basinger considers the "invisible balance sheet" - things that institutions are responsible for that may not be on the actual balance sheet. With candor and years of experience, Basinger offers insight on how a board might consider the welfare of an entire institution. She refers to an article by Roland Kushner in the Stanford Social Innovation Review that can be found here.
Kairos University has worked to develop contextual, competency-based theological education, and now educates students across the world using their approach. Greg Henson, the president of Kairos University, and Nate Helling, the CFO and vice president of operations, talk about their work and how a Pathways for Tomorrow grant from Lilly Endowment Inc. is helping.
The Academy for Jewish Religion received a grant in Lilly Endowment Inc.'s Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative and used the money to make a series of explanatory videos about Judaism. Ora Horn Prouser, Ph.D., the CEO and academic dean of the Academy for Jewish Religion, discusses how the project, "Mosaic Religion and the Religious Mosaic," contributes to theological education. The project can be found here.
Dr. Philip Dearborn, president of the Association for Biblical Higher Education in the United States and Canada, discusses the need for specialty accreditation and how it provides an assurance of an institution's commitment to its mission. Dearborn also examines the pressures on schools but also expresses a hope for the future of theological education.
Dr. Kent Anderson, president of Providence University College and Theological Seminary in Canada, considers competency-based theological education and suggests that it's really not new but a return to ancient practices of education. The co-author with Greg Henson of the book Theological Education: Principles and Practices of a Competency-Based Approach, Anderson says mentoring and learning by doing can provide benefits in the field. He says institutional humility and a willingness to adapt will help theological schools. The book can be found on the publisher's page here. You can find an interview with Greg Henson here.
Hood Theological Seminary is using a Lilly Endowment Pathways for Tomorrow grant to educate students and alumni about financial planning, expand curriculum, and create anti-racism education. Hood's Dr. Karen Owens and John Everett discuss how they're working in the seminary, with alumni, and the community to accomplish the seminary's goals. You can find more about the program on Hood Theological Seminary's website here.
Greg Henson, president of Kairos University, has worked with competency-based theological education to remake Sioux Falls Seminary into Kairos. In a new book, Henson and Kent Anderson, president of Providence University College and Theological Seminary, discuss the principles and practices of competency-based education approaches and how they can help other schools. The book is Theological Education: Principles and Practices of a Competency-Based Approach. You can find more about the book here.
The Rev. Dr. David McAllister-Wilson, president of Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C., has been at the school for more than 40 years. Reflecting on his time, he considers the future to be among the constituencies that he serves, and in this episode, he considers what the way forward looks like for theological education.
Dr. David Gyertson has seen a variety of leadership transitions both in his own career and in his work as a consultant coaching boards and leaders in transition. As a leadership coach, he provides insights into what boards should do and how they should handle leadership transitions.
In Trust Center President Amy Kardash and the Rev. Dr. Frank Yamada, executive director of the Association of Theological Schools, open a new series, "Inside Theological Education," discussing current trends and what schools can understand about the field from them.
Notre Dame's Department of Theology is using a Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grant to create cross-cultural competency in students studying for vocational and lay ministry. Professor Stacey Noem, one of the grant project directors, discusses ways the school is creating space for cross-cultural ministry and how it prepares students.
Lexington Theological Seminary is using a Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative grant to help create ways students can gain access to a theological education. The Rev. Dr. Loida Martell, vice president for academic affairs and dean, talks about how the school is using prior learning assessments and other means to help students.
Dr. Derek McNeil, the president and provost of the Seattle School of Theology and Psychology, discusses how his school is looking to help provide not just pathways for ministers but also ways to help heal a community.
Acadia Divinity School is experimenting and discerning future paths for the Church and theological education in its Pathways for Tomorrow grant, funded by Lilly Endowment Inc. Acadia President Dr. Anna Robbins and Dr. Jodi Porter, the project director, talk about creating a "sandbox," what it means to experiment, and how they're looking forward to the future.
Just 13% of CEOs of ATS-accredited schools are women. In Trust Center President Amy Kardash discusses the pathways for women in leadership of theological schools and how boards can help women succeed. She also talks about the article in the Autumn 2023 issue of In Trust magazine "No CEO Goes It Alone."
Five years ago, the Chaplaincy Innovation Lab at Brandies University opened to explore and support the role of chaplaincy. With a changing religious landscape, the role of chaplains can be a benefit. Theological schools, in their work to train chaplains, can benefit as well. Dr. Wendy Cadge, founder and director, of the lab, and Dr. Michael Skaggs, co-founder and director of programs, discuss the role of chaplaincy in shaping the church.
You can find more about the lab here.
There's a "trust gap" in the American workplace, according to Cory Scheer, Ed.D., the founder and CEO of TrustCentric. Scheer, a former pastor, academic administrator, and leader in business and nonprofits, studied trust as part of his doctoral work. The lessons can help theological schools learn how to improve performance and outcomes in their work.
After taking over as the president of Hartford Seminary, Joel Lohr, Ph.D., undertook a new strategic plan, which seemed routine. But after bringing in Rick Staisloff of rpk GROUP, he saw an opportunity and charted a course that ended with a revitalized mission and a new name: Hartford International University of Religion and Peace. You can find out more about the name change here.
The rise of conspiracy theories and a lack of trust in institutions in societies have given some leaders in the church pause to consider the impact. In this episode, Rob Saler, Ph.D., of Christian Theological Seminary in Indianapolis, says theological schools can play a role in combatting these issues.
When Dr. David Rowe stepped in as the interim president of Lancaster Theological Seminary, the board of directors and senior staff had been having conversations about the future. For Lancaster, there was a question of how to preserve the mission for future generations. The result was a merger that provides a positive vision for the years ahead. Rowe and Elizabeth Palmer Bennett, who was CFO at Lancaster, discuss how the merger came about, what they saw in the field, and lessons they learned in the process.
Dr. MaryKate Morse, who served as executive dean of Portland Seminary, discusses the key relationships she forged in an embedded seminary and how she demonstrated the value of the school to the institution.
There has been considerable concern about artificial intelligence and its use in theological higher education, particularly as it relates to cheating. But Greg Henson, president of Kairos University, and Ruth McGillivray say there's more to it than that. In this episode, they discuss the opportunities for theological schools to explore with AI.
As promised in the episode, the In Trust Center made a transcript of the podcast (using AI software which made more than a few errors) and then asked ChatGPT to summarize it. Here's the response:
From ChatGPT:
The transcript is a conversation on the use of artificial intelligence (AI) in theological education. The participants are Matt Hufman, Greg Henson (president of Kairos University), and Ruth McGill [Eds Note: It's McGillivray] (Executive Vice President of Northwest Seminary). They discuss the implications of AI in higher education, particularly in terms of cheating and the assessment process. While there is initial concern about the misuse of AI, the participants emphasize the need to embrace it as a tool and explore its potential benefits. They believe that AI can help make pastors and educators more effective by providing new ways of demonstrating competence and assessing learning. The conversation highlights the importance of rethinking assessment methods and focusing on holistic and context-specific approaches. The participants acknowledge that AI accelerates conversations already happening in education and encourages a relational and community-oriented approach to learning and assessment. Overall, they view AI as an opportunity for creativity and growth in theological education.
What does it take to raise money? At its heart: generosity. In her career, Dr. Carla Mawell Ray has helped raise more than $1 billion for a variety of organizations, institutions, and schools, and she encourages fundraisers to invite people into the opportunity to be generous. In this episode, Ray talks about ways to help people see generosity as a spiritual virtue and the opportunity to be part of the good work that is happening across the world.
In this episode, there are three books that are mentioned (links go to Amazon):
- “Five Pillars of a First Class Life: Smart Steps to Financial Empowerment and Mission Driven Living” by Carla Maxwell Ray.
- “Giving and Getting in the Kingdom: A Field Guide” by R. Mark Dillon
- "A Spirituality of Fundraising" by Henri J.M. Nouwen
You can learn more about Generis and Carla Maxwell Ray here.
Having spent a life in religious education, Helen Blier, Ph.D., offers several key reasons why theological schools should consider lifelong learning and continuing education programs. She says those programs can serve as both an entry point into theological schools and a connection point for ministers serving in the field, helping them navigate change. This is particularly important as schools across denominations are re-evaluating continuing education and lifelong learning, particularly in Lilly Endowment Inc.'s Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative. Dr. Blier is the director of continuing education at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary and also serves as the president of ALLLM, the Association of Leaders in Lifelong Learning for Ministry.
Is there a way to help theological schools cut overhead costs and free up resources to focus on mission? That’s the goal of the CHANGE Initiative, one of the projects funded in Lilly Endowment Inc.’s Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative. In this episode of the podcast, Dr. David Boshart, president of Anabaptist Mennonite Biblical Seminary, and Dr. Jeff Williams, the project director of the CHANGE Initiative, provide an overview of how a nonprofit organization could provide business offerings to schools, increasing quality of services while allow schools the space to innovate.CHANGE stands for Configuring Higher Education Administration for Next Generation Excellence.Dr. Jeff Williams can be reached here. jwilliams@ambs.edu
Rev. Dr. Steven Moore, CEO emeritus of the M. J. Murdock Trust, says leaders in theological education should consider how they focus on stewardship. Drawing on 40 years of leadership in nonprofit groups and theological and higher education, Moore outlines what good leaders need, how boards can frame the work, and how leaders can stay fresh. Moore also reflects on his recent piece forIn Trust magazine in the spring 2023 issue.
Rev. Dr. Frank Yamada, the executive director of the Association of Theological Schools, says leadership turnover at ATS-accredited schools is at an unprecedented level. The data is clear: With pressing demands in a post-pandemic world, leaders are moving on in greater numbers than ever before. In this episode of the Good Governance podcast, Yamada discusses what it means for theological education and what skills boards and leaders need to navigate these times. Listen below.
Yamada wrote a piece about the turnover in ATS-accredited schools that can be found here.
Regarding leadership transitions, the In Trust Center has focused on leadership transition. Here are a few recent examples of work that can be helpful to boards:
Dr. David Gyertson discusses creating a leadership transition plan in this on-demand webinar.
Gyertson discusses four things a board should consider before planning a transition. You can find a link to a white paper on transitions here as well.
Lilly Endowment Inc.’s Pathways for Tomorrow Initiative is investing millions of dollars in theological education in North America. The Association of Theological Schools (ATS) and the In Trust Center are co-coordinating the initiative, and in this episode, the In Trust Center’s Amy Kardash and the Rev. Dr. Jo Ann Deasy of ATS discuss the emerging trends, interesting projects, and how coordination works. This podcast was recorded on March 3, 2023. Listen to the episode here.
You can learn more about the initiative at Lilly Endowment Inc.’s website.
For projects in Phase 3, the final phase, you can find a summary of what schools are doing here.
You can find an overview of the initiative by the numbers here and you can find a story about some of the big themes of the initiative here.
In her doctoral work, Dr. Jodi Porter created a simple tool to help seminaries and theological schools discuss diversity, equity, and inclusion at their institutions. Those conversations can be difficult, but Porter’s tool provides a clear way to frame the issues and offers what questions to ask. In this episode, she discusses how the tool came to be and how schools can use it.
The tool: You can download Dr. Porter’s two-page discussion tool here.
Webinar: Dr. Porter will present a webinar on “The Diversity Imperative” for ATS at 1 p.m. ET on Thursday, March 16, 2023. Registration is free and can be found here.
Discussion: ATS’ Community on Race and Ethnicity (CORE) can be accessed, with login here, and has past meetings, information, and discussion.
Dissertation: Porter’s dissertation is open access and can be found here.
Rev. Dr. Scott Sunquist, the seventh president of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, joins the podcast to talk about the school’s “pivot” – the plan to sell all or part of its scenic campus in Hamilton, Massachusetts, and move to Boston. Dr. Sunquist explains the financial realities he found after taking office in 2019, what it means to stay on mission in a global context for Gordon-Conwell, and the lessons learned so far.
Notes:On the pivot: For more on the pivot, go to Gordon-Conwell’s site here. https://www.gordonconwell.edu/pivot/
Book reference: If you’re looking for the book he referenced about leadership, “How to Lead When You Don’t Know Where You’re Going: Leading in a Liminal Season” by Susan Beaumont.
The soul of the institution: Dr. Sunquist mentioned tending to the soul of the institution during the podcast and sent a few links afterwards about a covenant the seminary signed to train leaders in the Black church. You can find a blog post here:
https://www.gordonconwell.edu/blog/attentiveness-covenant/ and the covenant here: https://www.gordonconwell.edu/diversity-hospitality-culture/covenant/
In this episode of the Good Governance podcast, the In Trust Center team talks about a few key trends facing theological schools, including a rise in schools embedding in colleges and universities, and innovation. Amy Kardash, Annie Glanden, and Matt Hufman finish a wide-ranging discussion on trends in the episode, “Trends, issues, and the essentials for 2023, part 2.” It includes conversation about the In Trust Center’s Resource Grants. You can find two stories referred to in the podcast here: “Embedded or Not,” an interview with Rev. Dr. Byron Klaus and “Embedded: Lessons from six schools.”
What’s ahead in the next year for theological schools in North America? Find out in the first part of a wide-ranging discussion on the In Trust Center’s Good Governance podcast. The In Trust Center’s Amy Kardash, Annie Glanden, and Matt Hufman discuss key issues in field, including an upcoming grant issue to help schools innovate.
Good boards often see their work not just as an act of stewardship or service but also as a sense of calling. For Dr. Karen Sawyer, the sense of calling has kept her on the Missio Seminary board? for more than 30 years. And the lessons she has learned will help other board members and school leaders see the value of their sacred work. You can also see three takeaways from the conversation in the Winter 2023 magazine here: https://intrust.org/Magazine/Issues/Winter-2023/Beyond-the-Boardroom
Jason Allen, Ph.D., came to Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary as president a decade ago and found a school that was struggling. Today, the school is thriving and is one of the fastest-growing and largest seminaries in North America. In this episode, Dr. Allen talks about some of the principles that led to the change as outlined in his new book Turnaround: The Remarkable Story of an Institutional Transformation and the 10 Essential Principles and Practices that Made It Happen. Listen to the podcast episode here.
Did you know that the In Trust Center offers $15,000 matching grants to implement new projects? Join us today as we spotlight one of these grants and connect with Dr. Brent Sleasman, president of Winebrenner Theological Seminary, to discuss how his institution utilized its grant to advance collaboration and enhance content for its user-generated digital platform, Co-Mission. If you are interested in applying for a grant, you don’t want to miss this episode!
To learn more about co-mission, visit https://co-mission.net/.
In this new podcast episode, Dr. David Rowe, an AGB consultant and In Trust Center governance coach, discusses transforming the educational model in theological education. During this 20-minute follow-up to his “Guiding Transformations” webinar series, Rowe answers questions about why the educational model needs change and offers practical advice for theological school leaders.
Learn more about Dr. Rowe's series of webinars on transformation.
In today’s episode, leadership coach Chris Thyberg joins the podcast to share how one-on-one coaching can produce tangible results. The founder and principal of The Serving Way, a non-profit leadership development and coaching practice dedicated to equipping emerging and established leaders with powerful serving practices in every facet of leadership, Thyberg also offers insights about employee engagement, active listening, and leading from a coaching mindset.
Fundraising expert Dr. Carla Maxwell Ray joins the podcast to share how boards can engage – and be energized – for fundraising. A senior strategist with Generis, a firm that helps churches and faith-based nonprofits to develop cultures of generosity, Ray also offers insights about launching a capital campaign as well as trends in giving. Don’t miss this.
Legal issues and crises can quickly upend a theological institution, but the old saying is true: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Dorian Persaud, a seasoned employment attorney who works with theological schools, helps organizations anticipate and understand key crisis issues before they happen. In this episode, he discusses some of the best ways schools can prepare and manage complaints and investigations.
Up to 1 in 4 people have faced a mental health concern in the past year, according to studies, and that affects not only the Church but also theological schools. In this episode of the Good Governance podcast, Rev. Dr. Cedrick Von Jackson, pastor of the historic West Hunter Street Baptist Church in Atlanta, explains how theological schools can play a vital role in helping people through this mental health crisis.
Making boards good isn’t enough – they need to be great to help schools fulfill their callings, and Dr. Rebekah Basinger knows how. A board development and fundraising consultant, as well as a board member herself, Basinger provides expert advice on how boards can go from good to great. She also provides insight on how boards can be involved in fundraising and the In Trust Center’s Wise Stewards Initiative, as a fast track to improving a board.
Price Harding, chairman of the executive search firm CarterBaldwin, joins Amy Kardash on the podcast to talk about the essentials of hiring a leader. With more than three decades of experience, Harding offers insights into how a theological school should approach the search, what a board should consider, and what’s often missed in the search process.
Dr. David Gyertson, a former university president, consultant, and recruiter, knows what can go wrong in presidential transitions -- and what can go right. Join him as he discusses how to make the best of leadership changes.
In this week’s episode, we speak with Dr. Ron Mahurin, senior consultant at Design Group International about his consultation with boards and presidents. We cover mission, trends, board engagement, caring for the president, and more.
In today’s episode, we speak with Rev. Dr. William (Bill) Nelsen, senior consultant with The Registry, about interim leadership and how boards can best prepare for an interim leader in their institution.
In this week’s episode, we kick off our Consultant Series with Carol Marturano-Becker, founder of IMPACT Learning Inc., where she shares best practices and tips for consultant engagement and presidential evaluation.
In this week’s episode, we talk with Dr. Rebekah Basinger and Dr. Marsha Foster Boyd about shared governance from multiple vantage points, and the importance of trust, transparency, and communication in the process.
This week, we continue our conversations with women in leadership throughout theological education. In today’s episode, we talk with Ruth McGillivray, who serves as interim President and Chief Operations Officer of Northwest Seminary and College about leadership, innovation, and driving change.
Join us for this week’s conversation where we connect with Ms. Cheryl Williams about her work as an executive coach and board member.
Join us for this week’s conversation where we talk with Rev. Dr. Kathryn (Kit) Kleinhans and Rev. Dr. Mary Hinkle Shore as they discuss leading embedded seminaries.
In this week’s episode, Amy Kardash speaks with Donna Alexander, president and CEO of Advoxum Global Strategies and board chair at the John Leland Center for Theological Studies. Listen in as Ms. Alexander talks about how she led the board during a transition and how boards can cultivate and support new leadership.
This week, we continue our conversations with women in leadership throughout theological education. In today’s episode, Amy Kardash, president of the In Trust Center, speaks with Dr. Charisse Gillett, president of Lexington Theological Seminary, about how she navigated big changes at her institution and trends of women in leadership.
In this week’s episode, we continue our conversations with women in leadership throughout theological education. Listen to today’s episode where Amy Kardash, president of the In Trust Center, speaks with Rev. Dr. Anna Robbins, president of Acadia Divinity College, about culture, innovation, and community.
In this week’s episode, we kick off a series of conversations with women in leadership throughout theological education. In today’s episode, Amy Kardash, president of the In Trust Center, speaks with Rev. Joanne Rodriguez, Executive Director of the Hispanic Theological Initiative (HTI), about her work at HTI, Latina women in leadership, and raising up future leaders.
In this week’s episode, we talk with Dr. Rebekah Basinger, project director of our Wise Stewards Initiative, as she discusses the moral implication of institutions accepting "dirty money". Read more about this issue in the Spring 2022 issue of In Trust magazine here.
This week, we talk with Rev. Dr. Darryl Stephens, director of United Methodist studies at Lancaster Theological Seminary, as he shares about a project he led that focuses on bivocational ministry. If you wish to see more from Dr. Stephens, check out his interview in the Spring 2022 issue of In Trust magazine
Tune in to episode 11 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guest Dr. Alton B. Pollard, III, president of Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary (LPTS). Listen as he shares about the “momentous decision” to sell part of the LPTS campus and the importance of stewarding the mission of the institution.
Tune in to episode 10 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Ms. Lynette M. Brown-Sow and Dr. Byron Klaus, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coaches and governance consultants. Listen as they discuss why engagement is so critical to the success of a theological school board, and how effective meeting agendas, feedback from trustees, and diverse voices can aid in fostering the skills and interests of board members.
Listen to episode 10 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 9 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Ms. Lynette M. Brown-Sow and Dr. Rod Wilson, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coaches and governance consultants. Our guests will explore the importance of the board’s role in caring for the president, how presidential assessment is linked to that care, and the benefits of assessment at key points in the president’s career.
Listen to episode 9 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 8 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Dr. David Rowe and Ms. Lynette M. Brown-Sow, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coaches and governance consultants. Listen in as they discuss the value of the board engaging a consultant, the issues boards should consider, and important questions to ask.
Listen to episode 8 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 7 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Dr. David Rowe, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coach and governance consultant, and Dr. Rebekah Basinger, Wise Stewards Initiative Project Director and governance consultant. This episode gives a firsthand look at interim president and board member relationships and offers key insights for other interims and the valuable role they play in the institution.
Listen to episode 7 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 6 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Dr. Byron Klaus and Dr. Rebekah Basinger, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coaches and Governance consultants. This episode will explore the difference between governing boards and advisory boards, the uniqueness of embedded school advisory boards, and how they support the mission of the institution.
Listen to episode 6 at www.intrust.org or whenever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 5 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Ms. Lynette M. Brown-Sow, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coach and governance consultant, and Dr. Rebekah Basinger, Wise Stewards Initiative Project Director and governance consultant. They will share more about the board’s role in recruitment and diversity and how tending to institutional equity, diversity, and inclusion is critical.
Listen to episode 5 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 4 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Dr. Rod Wilson and Dr. Byron Klaus, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coaches and governance consultants. They will discuss how the board chair and president relationship positively impacts the institution, with key insights including the mutual respect, shared purpose, communication, compromise, and encouragement that are valued in this important relationship.
Listen to episode 4 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 3 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Dr. Rod Wilson, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coach and governance consultant, and Dr. Rebekah Basinger, Wise Stewards Initiative Project Director and governance consultant. Listen as they share best practices for building a culture of assessment and share helpful insights on the who, what, and why of assessment.
Listen to episode 3 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 2 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Dr. Byron Klaus and Dr. Rod Wilson, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coaches and governance consultants. Listen as they share best practices for a thorough board orientation, from onboarding to creating a healthy board culture and clear roles and responsibilities for new and existing board members.
Listen to episode 2 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.
Tune in to episode 1 of the In Trust Center podcast where we are joined by guests Dr. Rebekah Basinger, Wise Stewards Initiative Project Director, and Dr. David Rowe, Wise Stewards Initiative Faculty Coach and governance consultant. Listen as they share insights on how the effects of COVID-19 have changed how theological schools cultivate “community”, use technology, and the pandemic’s impact on boards as they live into the future.
Listen to episode 1 at www.intrust.org or wherever you stream podcasts.