Lunch on The Way: Recent Episodes
Lunch on The Way
Kia Ora Koutou, and welcome to Lunch on The Way! We're three guys doing theology over lunch, and sometimes we'll do that with others. We talk about church, culture, theology, philosophy, and more, always wanting to be as practical as possible. This is a thinking podcast more than a teaching podcast. We want to warn you, that what's said here is not yet complete, because, like any good conversation, you never want it to end.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey speak with Curtis Davis who just completed his MTh at Laidlaw College, where he clarified the methodology of Critical Realism for understanding reality and what the world is.
Curtis Davis graduated from Laidlaw College in 2026 and is currently a police recruit in New Zealand. He is a brilliant Christian who is passionate about evangelism and theology which relates to practical outcomes.
00:00 Introduction
00:47 Framing the conversation
08:17 Post-modernsim and anti-essentialism
13:12 The meta-modern problem
20:37 Ontology conditions epistemology
28:29 What is critical realism?
45:09 A critique of critical realism
51:00 Jesus is the key to experience
1:07:07 Curtis' S.U.R.E. methodology
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Nathaniel Baldock joins us as we discuss what AI is going to Christians and our world as we unreflectively adopt it as a tool when it should truly been seen as a pseudo-person.
Nathaniel Baldock is an AI strategist, consultant, speaker, and educator based in Tauranga, New Zealand. He helps churches, schools, and mission-driven organisations navigate AI with clarity, ethics, and practical implementation.
Visit his website --https://www.nathanielbaldock.com/
00:00 Teaser
00:52 Nathaniel's journey to AI consulting
04:30 What is AI?
10:09 AI's ethical problems
15:31 The dangers of Anthropic's Mythos
25:59 AI use in 2026.
30:20 AI's inauthenticity
41:00 Will AI erase our humanity?
48:15 Should churches use AI?
57:50 Does AI distort human relationships?
1:04:08 How churches should talk about AI
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr Clare Knowles to discuss the BEST and WORST Bible translations on the market.
Dr Clare Knowles is a translator for Bible Society New Zealand as a primary translator and teaches biblical hebrew at the University of Otago. She completed her PhD thesis, “Interpreting Isaiah from Isaiah: Intratextual Translation in Old Greek Isaiah”, at Otago in 2022.
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Dr. Donald Wallenfang explains the philosophical style of phenomenology and how getting to universal reality beginning with experience is important for Christian knowledge of truth, but not totalising.
Dr. Wallenfang, OCDS, Emmanuel Mary of the Cross, is a Secular Discalced Carmelite and Professor of Theology and Philosophy at Sacred Heart Major Seminary. He received his M.T.S. from St Norbert College and his Ph.D. from Loyola University Chicago.
Wallenfang specializes in Catholic theology and philosophy, Carmelite spirituality, phenomenology and metaphysics. His research concentrates on the work of Edith Stein, Emmanuel Levinas, Paul Ricoeur, Jean-Luc Marion, the Carmelite saints, and the New Evangelization. He teaches courses in philosophy, theology, lay ecclesial ministry, evangelization, and Catholic spirituality. His articles have appeared in Philosophy and Theology, Logos: A Journal of Catholic Thought and Culture, The International Journal of Religion in Spirituality and Society, Listening: Journal of Communication Ethics, Religion, and Culture, and Pacifica, as well as in other book compilations.
00:00 Introduction
02:46 is Catholicism Ecumenical?
09:10 Why philosophy is emotional
15:15 Where did Phenomenology come from?
26:10 Can Phenomenology reveal Christ?
37:45 Paul Ricoeur's Hermeneutic Phenomenology
46:22 The tension of givenness and interpretation
56:14 Literal meaning vs Metaphorical meaning
1:07:17 Should churches discover new metaphors?
1:20:12 Phenomenology and Metaphysics need each other
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Dr. Andrew Root from Luther Seminary in St. Paul, MN, joins us again to discuss his new book called "Baal and the gods of More: Rescuing Church Growth from Idolatry."
00:00 Introduction
02:34 how modern church growth is Baal worship
09:14 How yahweh and Baal are different
14:28 The human desire for security
16:03 Why church growth is burdensome
22:33 Techno optimism and political activism in church growth
29:18 Is our church growth methodology wrong?
35:10 The unsatisfying solution to church growth
41:23 The problem with money and church
44:22 Why critical realism for practical theology?
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Joey sat down with Brad Haami and Sam Carpenter to discussion the Māori prophetic movement of the 19/20th centuries and how God communicates in the world through his created order.
00:00 Introduction
02:29 Māori 19/20th century prophets
13:11 Key Māori prophets and Ratana
25:16 The Spirituality of the Land
35:01 Ratana's Whales
44:11 Brad's Ministry and Butterflies
54:06 Myths and Dominions
1:01:21 A Contemporary Māori prophetic tradition
Bradford Haami is the current chair of Te Rūnanga o te Wānanga Amorangi - The Māori Council for Laidlaw College - and sits on the governing board of the college. He is a lecturer in biculturalism at Laidlaw College and holds a Graduate Diploma in Indigenous Theology.
Between 2012 and 2016 Brad led a reconciliation movement with UK intercessors to all the battlefields of New Zealand. This led Brad to a reconciliation lectureship at the YWAM University at Kona, Hawaii in 2015. He has preached and taught on biculturalism and reconciliation at churches and faith communities throughout New Zealand for many years. He has led Māori intercession teams to Mongolia, the Pacific and Israel since 2015. He is a Māori representative on the All Pacific Arise Council and is a foundation member of a Māori Christian Leaders Forum,Te Oko Hou (The New Bowl).
Brad is an accomplished Māori author, journalist and lecturer with added experience in film and television media. He has produced exploratory works on mātauranga Māori (Māori knowledge), Māori history and more recently Māori biography. He self-published True Red; The Life of an ex-Mongrel Mob Gang Leader (2004), the story of Tūhoe Isaac and the radical shift in his life from a gang leader to a Christian. He also self-published Ka Mau Te Wehi: Taking Haka To The World, the biography of Māori performing arts doyens Bub and Nen Wehi, which won the 2013 Ngā Kupu Ora Best Māori Biography of the Year Award. In 2016 he published The River of the Waters of Life: A Biography of Ike Samuels, a Māori missionary to Papua New Guinea. His most recent works are: Urban Māori: The Second Great Migration (Oratia Media, 2018) and Bringing Culture Into Care (Huia Publishers, 2019).
He has also written for critically acclaimed television productions and has acted as a consultant to numerous local and international drama, documentary and feature films. His services were crucial to the making of the acclaimed TV thriller series Mataku, the cinema film Tracker and the Māori film Mahana. He has also consulted as a Māori knowledge expert for churches, organisations and museums. He has been an advisor to The Māori Natural History and Moana Galleries at Auckland Museum and the acclaimed travelling Tohora: Whales Exhibition for Te Papa Tongarewa in Wellington. He was recently the Māori curator/expert on the acclaimed Te Taiao / Nature exhibition at Te Papa Tongarewa Museum. “My interest in storytelling is primarily based on the 'power of the narrative’. Whether in an oral, written, documentary or cinematic form, it has the capacity to convey a message that stimulates conversation and transforms hearts, minds and communities.”
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr. Ben MacDonald from Apologetics Canada to determine what the One True Church is. Catholicism vs Orthodoxy vs Protestantism. Which one is true? Find out, here!
00:00 Introduction
02:10 Academic Preamble
8:10 Who is Ben MacDonald?
16:19 What's the One True Church?
23:58 Why are people NOW interested in EO & Catholicism?
29:49 A case for high liturgy
39:45 Spiritual milk vs Spiritual meat
43:37 Does the Lord's Supper institutionally matter?
54:00 The institution isn't your faith, but it can hold it
1:08:00 Transcendence and Immanence in liturgy
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Joey Millington and Jon Hoskin sit down with Sam Burrows to discuss what knowledge is and how teachers should approach knowledge within a Christian sacramentality of the world.
00:00 Introduction
01:32 A theological account of reality
5:52 Christian education needs to start with theological reality
10:47 T. F. Torrence and theological reality
20:50 Knowledge is a relationship
30:22 Knowledge is embodied
36:17 Is Distance Learning Problematic
50:00 Sam's Favourite "Makerspace" guests
52:25 Sam's 3 Proposals for teachers
1:00:15 Where do we learn this new way?
Check out Sam's podcast with CEN, "Makerspace," where he interviews world-leading Christian thinkers to help teachers/educator in Australia. https://open.spotify.com/show/1DklD6kT4wEWUaF64y8pRh
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Joey and Graeme discuss how metaphors help us encounter a sacramental world. All of language is metaphorical, and it is the epicentre of meaning.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey speak with Lindy from the Olive Leaf Network about the rise of Shincheonji and World Mission Society Church of God in New Zealand.
00:00 Introduction
02:44 Shincheonji cult targets churches
05:09 Lindy's Story of Leaving PBCC
14:32 Defining "cult" and "high demand religious group"
26:49 Shincheonji's deceitful recruitment strategy
41:44 What motivates Shincheonji members to deceive?
44:04 Joey's encounter with WMSCG member
48:32 WMSCG have been growing
60:00 More about Olive Leaf Network
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Joey sat down with Fiona Rush of C3 Church Auckland to talk about discipleship—how to make better disciples and the need for more difficulty, suffering, and risk for formation to happen.
00:00 Introduction
02:20 Fiona Rush's Story and Calling
13:50 Bryce Crawford reaches young people
17:00 Discipleship and Education Principles
32:45 Discipleship though suffering
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey interview Dr. Malcolm Falloon as they discuss secular societies' misunderstanding of The Treaty of Waitangi and its Christian influence. Malcolm also helps Christians navigate the contentious Treaty space with practical and wise advice.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme Flett and Joey Millington discuss the importance of Marshall McLuhan's statement, "the medium is the message," for churches and preaching the gospel.
00:00 Intro
02:22 Marshall McLuhan's scholarly influences and critics
12:54 Defining the "figure" and "ground"
18:19 Oral-Writing-Print
24:54 New tech amplifies and diminishes
26:49 Electricity to digital
29:41 How the gospel message changes through the medium
38:39 Critiquing digital church
48:39 Churches are in competition with the ground
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, "For the Life of the World," by Easter Orthodox Priest, Alexander Schmemann, is examined for how secularism is a myth and the sacramentality of the world is a Christian truth and counter to secularism. This is likely the best conversation Graeme, Joey, and Jonathan ever had, and it might be their last.
00:00 Introduction
01:58 Who is Alexander Schmemann?
09:58 Liturgy shows us how to live in the world
18:05 How the symbolic world is real
24:53 how to participate rightly in the world
31:13 The redemption of time
39:03 How to live THIS out
47:00 Divine purpose, not human progress
50:48 Engage the whole person in the world
56:38 Joey's PhD exert: Sacramental Metaphors
59:33 Why Mary is venerated
1:03:53 Goodbye Jonathan and Graeme
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr Sam Bloore who has completed considerable research in emerging adulthood. He has spoken widely on the topic to help churches disciple this group better.
After graduating from medicine and bioethics at Otago University, Sam Bloore worked as a doctor for five years before a gradual career change saw him join the staff of his church and complete a Master of Arts in Pastoral Theology. Sam is passionate about the intersection of faith and culture, in particular how individuals establish and enhance a personal spirituality that is stable and sustainable. He recently completed a Doctorate of Ministry through Fuller Theological Seminary—including papers that explore Sexuality and Ethics, Technology, the Visual Arts, and the discipling of Emerging Adults. He is a teaching pastor at St. Paul’s Symonds Street and has joined the board of the Parenting Place.
Book Recommendations
"Growing With: Every Parent's Guide to Helping Teenagers and Young Adults Thrive in Their Faith, Family, and Future" by Kara Powell and Steven Argue
"Emerging Adulthood The Winding Road from the Late Teens Through the Twenties" by Jeffry Arnett
"Spiritual Formation in Emerging Adulthood: A Practical Theology For College And Young Adult Ministry" by Chris A. Setran
00:00 Intro
01:45 Emerging adulthood is the new young adult
09:00 Identity Exploration
15:11 Sam's story as a doctor
23:05 Instability in life
24:03 Self-focus and time rich
30:11 Feeling in-between
37:27 Possibilities and optimism
43:25 Lamenting your dreams
46:31 4 THINGS: Discipleship for emerging adults
57:58 How can pastors lead the way?
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
This is the last episode of 2025, taking a look back at why the podcast looked so different from the previous 2 years. I also venture into why Jonathan only appeared in 3 episodes and what 2026 might look like.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr Greg Liston to discuss Lesslie Newbigin's 5 big ways churches should approach cultural and be distinct through creating plausibility structures.
Dr. Greg Liston is a Senior Lecturer at Laidlaw College specialising in ecclesiology and systematic theology. He was the Lead Pastor of Mt Albert Baptist Church in Auckland, New Zealand. He also holds two PhDs: one in theology and the other in physics.
00:00 Intro
01:56 Lesslie Newbigin vs relevance missiology
07:52 Newbigin's PT 1
09:42 Newbigin's PT 2
16:14 Newbigin's PT 3
23:54 Newbigin's PT 4
29:34 Newbigin's PT 5
31:53 Is Eastern Orthodoxy the Best Plausibility Structure?
39:34 Living in the Tension of Two Worlds
44:04 Deconstructing Secularism and Technique
49:04 Church is About "Being" Before "Doing"
59:09 The HOPE Conference
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
On this episode, Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey discuss what biblical wisdom is and how "the fear of the Lord" might not mean what we think. We disagree, agree, argue, meet in the middle, and much more.
00:00 Introduction
02:01 Answering listener's questions
10:07 Why "the fear of the Lord" and wisdom?
16:26 The OT and wisdom
26:31 How wisdom became incarnational
32:31 From fear to love in Christ
36:11 The tension of Holy-Love
40:11 A definition of wisdom
50:06 You can't live solely by principles
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Jonathan Hoskin rejoins Graeme and Joey as they look at the physical world and rediscover a re-enchantment or sacramental nature to the world through visiting Iain McGilChrist's, "The Matter With Things" (2021). They explore how the Western world became flat and secular, who Iain McGilchrist is and what he gets right and wrong about the world and God, how the world is deeply sacramental and what that means, and much more.
00:00 Introduction
02:15 Jonathan is BACK!
06:10 The world is a window, not a wall
10:40 How we became secular people
23:45 how secularism has impacted Christians
33:55 Iain McGilchrist "The Matter With Things"
39:15 Mistaking the map for the terrain (important)
42:30 McGilchrist re-enchants a scientific world
50:55 Jesus confirms a sacramental world
54:35 How we can change from a flat, mechanistic worldview
01:00:45 Theologians pray ... [insert literally anything] pray
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Louise Wernich to talk about business strategy and leadership helping churches. Pastors have become increasingly suspicious of business practices distorting the purpose of the church, but Louise addresses how we can go too far in the other direction.
Rev. Louise Wernich is an ordained minister in the Methodist Church of South Africa and has recently completed in MBA in New Zealand. She works at Laidlaw College within the post-graduate theology programmes. She has considerable experience leading churches of all size, and she has recently come to appreciate the importance of business leadership for the church.
00:00 teaser / intro
02:12 the tension between church / business leadership
10:39 who is your church competing with?
19:47 PESTEL and SWOT strategic framworks
27:20 what to do when a ministry is dying
31:27 the purpose of the church
37:20 migrant churches navigating NZ culture
48:12 migrant churches should do this ...
56:12 why church strategy matters
58:52 AI us causing pause / disruption within people
01:01:02 Church staff aren't family
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Joey sits down with Treaty of Waitangi expert and scholar, Dr. Sam Carpenter. They talk about the Treaty of Waitangi history and how early missionaries were pivotal in its construction, translation, and acceptance. They also discuss how the current discourse around the Treaty needs a biblical worldview to be interpreted correctly.
Sam teaches into Laidlaw’s Church History courses with a specialist focus on New Zealand religious and political history. He leads Te Rongopai ki Aotearoa Project at Laidlaw that is exploring the multidimensional relationships of Christianity and Māori society. Sam’s research focusses on the intersections of Christianity and Māori society, and on New Zealand political and religious history more generally.
CHECK OUT Sam's personal website for current scholarly-informed opinions on the Treaty of Waitangi and more https://nzhistorian.com/
00:00 Intro
01:38 Sam' work with the Waitangi Tribunal
06:43 What was the Maori spiritual landscape like before Christianity?
12:13 How did Christianity arrive in Aotearoa (New Zealand)?
16:32 How did Christianity grow in Aotearoa (New Zealand)?
19:18 Why did Maori overwhelmingly accept Christianity?
26:33 Maori became early evangelists and missionaries to other Maori
30:23 Why was the Treaty of Waitangi was written?
36:21 How was the Treaty of Waitangi written and translated?
39:43 What the Treaty actually says
43:08 Why did every chief sign the Treaty?
48:13 Why did Maori eventually reject Christianity?
54:58 Bible in one hand Treaty in the other
1:03:06 1934 Declaration of New Zealand Independence
1:07:33 Is the Treaty misinterpreted in 2025?
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Graeme and Joey interview Dr. Maja Whitaker about Pentecostalism—the good, great, and not so great. We look at what make Pentecostal churches tick, like their unique take on mission, their need to be culturally relevant, and their obsession with pragmatism and why they have a PR problem.
Dr. Maja Whitaker is the Academic Dean at Laidlaw College; she oversees all programme development and delivery and contributes to the development and outworking of College strategy, with a focus on integrated programmes and a strong partner ecosystem. Maja is a lecturer in the School of Theology, and has served as Practical Theology Lead and with the School of Theology Leadership team. She teaches into courses on spiritual formation, reflective practice, leadership, and pastoral ministry.
00:00 Intro
01:28 What is Pentecostalism/Charismatic?
08:40 Experiencing God
11:50 Always looking to where the Spirit's at work — sacramentalism
16:07 Why does Pentecostalism have a PR problem?
21:38 How Maja dealt with the tension moments
26:00 Pentecostal churches in NZ are different
32:33 Maja's shifting relationship with God
36:20 Maja's ideal Sunday morning
41:55 What Graeme would add to church
45:25 Why Pentecostal churches are growing
47:40 Joey's theory about the Pentecostal movement
51:38 Maja's no longer Pentecostal
The music is by Josiah David Swim. You can find him on Spotify.
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Dr. Sarah Penwarden to discuss why our experience matters for theology and understanding God, why emotions matters, how to integrate experience and faith, how stories help us creating meaning, and why people receive counselling.
Sarah Penwarden (Pākehā) has a doctorate in counselling, is a practicing counsellor, supervisor, and an Anglican priest. She teaches in the School of Theology (Laidlaw College) on a part-time basis. Her academic interests connect to practical theology and counselling, and how the realities of ordinary life can be held in tandem with the hope of the Gospel. She teaches papers about research methods and mental health.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
On this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss 4 ways AI will change churches, Christians, and society. They don't predict the future as much as explain how the future might play out as AI in adopted by society and churches and people grapple with what it means to be human.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
This is a rebroadcasted episode because it's worth posting again. This conversation with Dr. Karen Kemp about pastoral leadership, trends, and identity is still relevant, even though it was originally published 2 years ago! It's worth a full listen.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
This is a bonus episode that was original recorded in July of 2024 as Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey prepared to lead a discussion in Tauranga on what it means to be fully human and how churches/pastor can help with that.
00:00 Teaser
02:12 Explaining on trip to Tauranga
04:55 Efficient causality vs being human
07:35 Schedule of event and questions to consider
09:30 Why collective wisdom matters
10:45 Importance of group dynamics
12:45 Why theological-provocation matters
16:40 Stories make us human
21:10 4 essential elements of humanity (core touch points)
25:35 Grounding the 4 essential elements
31:00 Framing our conversation
32:40 Phenomena as the starting point (lived experience)
36:00 How systematic theology is helpful
38:50 Creating an impersonal god
41:35 Participation in the Word
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
Available on ALL podcast platforms https://lunchontheway.buzzsprout.com/share
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Ps. Dan Sheed of Central Vineyard Church, Auckland. They discuss prayer as posture and invitation, Dan's book "Drift No More," and Dan's story of entering ministry and planting Central Vineyard.
Dan Sheed is the founding co-leader of Central Vineyard Church in Tāmaki Makaurau, Auckland. The son of pastors, he was raised in the Vineyard Church movement, and has been on the journey with Christ as a pastor himself for many years. He planted Central Vineyard Church in 2015. He is married to Gabrielle, and has two wonderful tamariki: Jimmy and Florence. Dan is the author of the beautiful, challenging book Drift No More: An Exploration of Tethered Faith (2024).
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Graeme and Joey have a conversation with Sam Burrows about how meaning is back in the West, how the cultural left helped Christianity, the growing influence of the right in politics, what biblical critical theory is, and much more!
Makerspace Podcast https://open.spotify.com/show/1DklD6kT4wEWUaF64y8pRh
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss how there are many things we cannot quantifiably measure in the church and that we need to use judgement when consulting numbers. Much of their think is derived from "The Tyranny of Metrics" by Jerry Muller.
00:00 Teaser
02:20 Introduction
4:00 Gen Z Christians are Growing | Bible Society UK
18:10 Political Will is Gone
20:00 The Tyranny of Metrics
24:50 Growth through Proximity to Christ
28:00 Tell Stories not Measure Stories
30:00 What we easily measure is what we focus on
33:10 Economic metaphors are dominate in our culture
35:35 An Atheist believes churches should have more government support
38:50 We are in control? NOPE!
40:35 The right place for metrics
45:08 We can fudge the numbers
49:15 Always be engaged with the margins
53:00 Death of an institution is not failure in a Christian paradigm
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey clarify and elaborate on their conversation with Andrew Root. The conversation delves into the role of Christians in society, emphasizing the importance of identifying oneself as a Christian in various settings. Joey and Graeme discuss the concept of being a "royal priesthood," traversing two worlds, and the need for Christians to be visible and present in their communities. They explore the idea of evangelism as consolation, particularly in moments of despair, and the relational ministry philosophy of Andrew Root. The discussion also touches on the stabilizing factors in faith communities, suggesting that faithfulness and presence in the now are more important than growth.
00:00 Teaser
01:21 Introduction
4:13 Surprised by despair - hopeful evangelism
11:52 We're all priests
17:17 What to offer a dying man?
22:12 Stop functionalising people
27:07 Most alive in relational ministry
35:15 I invited people to Alpha
38:15 People need to know you're a Christian
42:27 More on issues with growth as stabiliser
48:02 In Christ as stabiliser
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Graeme and Joey have a brilliant conversation with Dr Andrew Root as they discuss a humanising approach to evangelism, the digital space and discipleship, what the key competency of a pastor should be, growth as modernity's stabiliser, and much more!
Andrew Root, PhD (Princeton Theological Seminary) is the Carrie Olson Baalson Professor of Youth and Family Ministry at Luther Seminary. He is most recently the author of Evangelism in an Age of Despair and the six volume Ministry in a Secular Age series (including Churches and the Crisis of Decline, The Congregation in a Secular Age, The Pastor in a Secular Age, The Church After Innovation, The Church in a Age of Secular Mysticism and Faith Formation in a Secular Age). He is also the author of The End of Youth Ministry? and more than dozen other books. Andy also serves as theologian in residence at Youthfront. He has worked in congregations, parachurch ministries, and social service programs. He lives in St. Paul with his wife Kara, two children, Owen and Maisy, and their dog. When not reading, writing, or teaching, Andy spends far too much time watching TV and movies.
PODCAST ...
"When Church Stops Workings Featuring Andrew Root" https://www.andrewroot.org/podcast/
PUBLICATIONS ... https://www.andrewroot.org/books/
"Evangelism is an Age of Despair"
"The Church in an Age of Secular Mysticism"
"When the Church Stops Working"
"The Church After Innovation"
"Churches and the Crisis of Decline"
"The Congregation in a Secular Age"
AND MANY MORE ... https://www.andrewroot.org/books/
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode of Lunch on The Way, Rev. Frank Ritchie discusses how places and spaces of worship hold our spirituality when we can't muster it up, his various experiences with different religions and expressions of the Christian faith, how and why Holy Communion is so important for the church, why wearing a clerical collar matters for pastors, how the media are open to Christianity, and why irrelevant churches are paradoxically relevant.
Frank is an ordained minister in the Wesleyan Methodist Church of Aoteroa-New Zealand, a media chaplain, and national Christian voice in New Zealand.
00:00 Teaser
01:28 Introduction
06:37 Cathedrals hold our faith
13:00 Frank's journey with faith over the decades
20:00 Holy Communion holds our spirituality
26:32 Why wear a clerical collar?
40:01 The Media are not anti-Christian
50:32 Challenges in the Media Industry
54:20 Irrelevant Churches are attractive
Check out Frank's Substack for theological, cultural, and formational reflections and insights https://frankritchie.substack.com/
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Graeme and Joey welcome Louise to the podcast and discuss Louise's journey into ministry and her families immigration to New Zealand from South Africa, the impact of COVID on the South African church and her family, how a call to ministry can't be ignored, Graeme's call into ministry, reflections on pastoring more than 20 decades, how business-church forgets about the people (ironically), and much more.
00:00 Teaser
1:00 Introduction
03:39 Louise's Journey into Ministry, and Family
17:33 COVID in South Africa and the church
23:13 Louise moving to New Zealand
26:58 Ministry is a calling that can't be ignored
30:00 Graeme's call into ministry
34:40 Louise's reflections on pastoring
36:55 The most important part of church is people
41:35 Undoing Business-church
46:10 What an MBA has can teach pastors
55:49 NZ & South African Cultural Observations
1:02:40 Adjusting after Immigration
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss Joey's experience at Auckland's new Mormon Temple, how architecture reveals a church's/religion's theology, the craziness of the world, how Canada and US relations is a microcosm of the disruption the world will feel, and much more.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Mark Sayers and discuss what Mark learned about ministry during the Melbourne lockdowns, why embodied ministry matters so much, how proceduralism has blunted the church's mission, how the church needs to be a pillar rather than a platform in the world, how everything is politically changing in the world, transcendence and immanence, what is means to be human, and how the Trump foreign policy will change Australia and New Zealand.
Mark Sayers is the Lead Pastor of Red Church in Melbourne, Australia and contributor to the Rebuilders podcast with Daniel and Liddy. He is an international church thought leader helping ministry leaders navigate through a complex world.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Joey and Graeme interview AJ Thomas, who is one of the teaching and preaching pastors at Kings Church in New Brunswick, Canada. He also leads the Atlantic Kingdom Alliance which aims to bring together pastors and ministry leader from diverse theological and denominational background for the advancement of the gospel. They discussed his journey from youth ministry to church planting and his current role at King's Church, the importance of preaching as a sacramental act (distinguishing it from teaching), his theological evolution (particularly his engagement with Catholicism and its influence on his understanding of the Eucharist), the significance of communion in his previous church (Deep Water), and his approach to preaching as a craft rather than an art. AJ also mentioned his new role in the Atlantic Kingdom Alliance, focusing on interdenominational cooperation. The conversation touched on theological nuances, the impact of the pandemic on preaching, and AJ's writing of his new preaching book, "Preaching Craft," which can be found anywhere on Amazon.com
Learn more about AJ at https://www.ajthomas.ca/
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation the guys explores the concept of faith deconstruction and truth, emphasizing the importance of a holistic view of life. Many people deconstruct not Christianity but specific expressions or packaged forms of it, often driven by personal experiences and dissatisfaction with rigid, mechanistic approaches. They highlight the need for a synthesized understanding of truth that includes emotions and relationships, advocating for a more humble and open approach to truth that trusts the 'gut.' The discussion also touches on the role of the right hemisphere in processing gut feelings and the importance of listening and discernment deconstructing.
00:00 Teaser
01:41 Into - Looking Forward to 2025
05:07 - Deconstructing Christianity
06:43 - Deconstructing a form/model of Christianity
09:48 - The origins of deconstruction - postmodernism
12:16 - Our experiences with deconstruction
14:08 - The "holding space" during deconstruction
16:42 - Critical thought and faith go together
18:40 - Ex-vangelical deconstruction
20:37 - Deconstruction is a response to fundamentalism
24:21 - Finite being can't know with certainty
27:39 - Greame's experience with prayer
34:26 - Truth is a relationship
37:36 - Truth is found in synthesis
40:14 - Christianity's truth is best understood as a whole
46:37 - Deconstructing a mechanistic view of church
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
This week Graeme, Jonathan, and Joey discussed what it means to be human and how the church is the place that helps people become fully alive in Christ. This conversation centres on a Saint Irenaeus quote, "the glory of God is a human being fully alive." We discuss the importance of balancing transcendence, materiality, relationships, and freedom, arguing that modern society's overemphasis on materiality and disembodiment has led to a spiritual void. The Lord's Prayer is highlighted as embodying these four aspects, suggesting it as a model for holistic human development.
00:00 Anthropology and what it means to be human matters.
02:09 "The glory of God is a human fully alive."
05:11 The church helps people become fully human
07:01 Embodiment and being human
10:01 Being fully human is more than just 'discipleship'
16:07 The importance of priests for being human
23:36 The FOUR essentials of being human
27:35 The Lord's Prayer and being human
41:00 Priests and our humanity
45:55 Our culture knows we are less human
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey announce something big, critique the current formation movement as a potentially falling into legalism, how to live with wisdom on the formation journey, catching the "wind" of the Spirit, and the importance of churches being an alternative space to the frameworks and realities of the world. This episode is a mixture of many different topics, but we still hope you can engage with something on the way.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Jonathan, Graeme, Joey break open a controversial topic relating to church growth and the pursuit of more. They undercover insights only someone who cares not for the consequences of thinking and questioning can unearth. Therefore, the listener needs to approach this conversation with the best of intentions; assuming the guys are love Jesus, the church, and what God to rule on earth as in heaven.
Enjoy
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Dr. Clint Ussher who leads The Well in Christchurch, NZ and the Centre for Church Leadership. It was an open and honest conversation about church planting, identity in Christ, what pastors are sensing in New Zealand, and much more.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Jonathan and Joey tease out the tensions we manage within the church and as we follow Jesus.
00:00 Introduction
00:42 Tensions are not problems to be solved
6:11 Theological tensions to manage
10:05 Slacklining as a metaphor for tension
12:07 More tensions or prayer, salvation, and more
15:10 TENSION 1: Doing vs Theological Reflection
24:29 TENSION 2: Popular Voices vs Local Voices
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode the guys talk about their experience of listening to God's voice and what that means for them, some of the problematic aspects of claiming you've heard from God, and a way forward to better discern God's voice during big decisions.
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00:00 Introduction
00:42 Catching up on life
03:20 Our experiences with hearing God's voice
14:52 Honest & integrity help you hear
18:14 Grieving the Holy Spirit (Eph 4)
22:10 Justification vs personal holiness
24:58 Listen & don't listen to others
27:40 One-way & two-way door decisions
33:50 Jon Hoskin's advice
36:13 Is saying "God told me" problematic?
44:40 Be ready to act on God's voice
48:51 Outro
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, Graeme, Jonathan, and Joey discuss the cultural obsession with power and attempt to rebalance the conversation, pointing to Jesus as the example of what to do with the power you have.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Joey and Graeme discuss the importance of theological reflection in moments of crisis. They cover how to think well during critical incidents, what is critical thinking and theological reflection, the importance of crisis, why COVID was a crisis for the church, getting deeper and not more pragmatic, the issues the church is forced to wrestle with, being okay with uncomfortable questions, education that enables critical thinking, Joey's Sunday morning reflections, the WHY that theological reflection rediscovers, and where to begin with theological reflection.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, the guys talk about Graeme trip to the US as a delivered a paper at the Media Ecology Conference.
00:00 Introduction
02:30 Graeme at the Media Ecology Conference
07:58 Graeme's Experience of AMERICA
14:30 Is AI and Tech Bad?
24:40 Why a Theological-Anthropology Matters
34:50 How do we Know Who we are?
38:30 Having a Relationship with AI
45:30 Will AI make critical thinking extinct?
51:30 An Important Story
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
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In this episode the guys bring back Sam Burrows to talk more about the meta-crisis with our youth (03:02), with education (11:50), wha the meta-crisis is (14:12), a way of answering it (17:00), who Ayaan Hirsi Ali is (21:22), the death of post-modernism (24:57), a desire for nostalgia (28:33), what Christian disruption is (34:55), how this is different to post-modernism (40:15), and Sam's new podcast.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey discuss the good, bad, and intriguing metaphors that shape our understanding of the world, church, and our humanity. They discuss how metaphors create realities (03:30), what a metaphor is (06:10), the problematic metaphors were us as Christians (09:30), how metaphors reveal what we desire (19:30), how metaphors guide the church but should be clearly known (24:30), how Genesis 3 and the Garden is the greatest metaphor (28:45), why the Bible doesn't allow us to use just any metaphor (32:02), how biblical metaphor shape us (36:40), important New Testament metaphors (43:49), what happens when biblical metaphors are taken out of context (49:10), metaphors for ministry (51:19), and advice for Christians from this conversation (52:30).
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr. Clare Knowles who is a translation coordinator at Bible Society NZ. We discuss what Bible Society NZ is (12:42), the work Clare is currently doing with the Tokelauan Bible (14:18), cultural contextualisation and the Bible (22:50), the relationship between translation and interpretation (33:23), the ambitious sign-language project (43:18), the best/worst Bible translations (48:50), and AI and Bible translating (53:45).
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
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In this conversation, Jonathan and Joey weave between two main topics but begin with discussion discarding dualism (03:30), how liturgy straightens the soul like a piece of bent wood (06:53), whether we can really change through habit forming or if we need the Spirit to do that deep work (12:10), Joey and Jonathan's experiences will evangelism (21:20), how to actually invite someone to follow Jesus (30:45), how people need evangelistic structures like Alpha (35:35), why stepping out and into reliance on God is so important (46:30), they theologians need to be more than just thinkers but prayers (48:04), how people are desiring to be a part of evangelism again (50:40), and how a hunger for Jesus is all that matters in life (55:55).
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss Carey Nieuwhof's latest Auckland, NZ church leadership and trends discussion but add their own thoughts to his "shifts" and "moves." They discuss how NZ church is 10yrs ahead of North America (3:08), online church possibly reaching unchurched people (10:38), people seeing us more than God (33:13), dissatisfaction with mirroring culture (36:05), the rise in authenticity (41:27), how content is not church (45:23), seeing people as more than a binary (49:16), over-editing the Sunday Service (51:00), non-toxic church culture (52:05), and much more.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Lunch on The Way is a podcast that deeply discusses Christianity, Church, Culture, and Jesus.
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In this conversation the guys get honest and discuss last week's LIVE RECORDING (00:31), whether current trends and changing are going to stick in churches (07:03), if business methodology and church needs a new critical eye (15:25), how leadership and pastoral ministry are different (25:52), the way we see the world vs how we need to see the world (30:03), and much more (39:37)!
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Welcome to our very first LIVE RECORDING of Lunch on The Way held at Laidlaw College's Orientation Week. In this live conversation we discussed what's on Jonathan's mind (05:32), the church's need for reform (or not) (08:55), what true and false church reform looks like (13:18), John Mark Comer (19:50), wanting deeper things at church (21:13), a radical church change (24:53), the 3 types of church connection (28:25), the need for white spaces (30:15), how online church changes church (31:37), and the biggest challenges facing the church in NZ (37:43).
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, Joey and Graeme discuss the Waitangi Day (00:37), tease future podcast topics (03:37), what a "Professional Christian" is (05:01), critique Rick Warren's baseball diamond discipleship pathway (08:35), expose spiritual comparison and pride (11:00), list the qualities of a spiritual person (16:28), discuss holiness compared to personality and culture (21:05), define what holiness is (28:15), explain the concept of Entire Sanctification (31:25), and finish explaining how following Jesus is a journey (39:30).
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, the guys begin 2024 talking about what "Real Christianity" is all about. They look at John Mark Comer's take on contemporary church service and Christian formation, and Jonathan discusses what the "new martyrdom" is for the modern West.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, the guys look forward with the help of Sam Burrows to what 2024 will bring for the world and church. They also bring their sense of hope into an otherwise uncertain 2024.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys answer some of the most asked questions relating to Christianity searched on Google.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys discuss land and place as a spiritual reality and how some cultures (Western??) have a difficult time seeing the spiritual in the material world.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys how people live in competing and inconsistent narratives about the world and they escape to video games or films to find coherence. While this can seem like a bad thing, for the Christian, it can be good through the idea of "code switching."
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, the guys discuss a controversial article advocating for people to stop having children as a form of protest for climate action, the immoral presuppositions at play disguised as moral, and what we should do in the face of difficult problems.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys celebrate the 1 Year Anniversary of the podcast and why they began in the first place. They also pivot and discuss meaning and evangelism.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys talk more about hope, but this time what a hopeful life looks like! Be sure to listen to the previous episodes before launching into this one.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, the guys talk about the picture of hopelessness that has captured the imagination of the church and where the real hope is at.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys are back in the same room and discuss what's on their minds. They land on the topic of mission and how a shift needs to take place that places having a missionary mindset/identity at the top of the Christian identity.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys discuss pastoral leadership and trends post-COVID with Dr. Karen Kemp. Karen is a coach and trainer with the Centre for Church Leadership (CfCL) and a lecturer at Laidlaw College. She has a wealth of pastoral and theological experience that she uses to discern trends in culture and church leadership.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, the guys discuss body-led spiritual formation with Dr. Maja Whitaker. Maja is the Practical Theology lead at Laidlaw College and teaches courses such as Formation, Christian Leadership, and other courses at a Master's level. She was also a pastor in the Equippers movement in New Zealand for many years.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, Jonathan and Joey discuss how Christians can interpret the Bible to discover meaning. They initially differ, but then find common ground.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys discuss evangelism with Dr. Mark Keown. They discuss the changes happening in the church and how evangelism might look in our complicated world.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys invite Sam Burrows to talk about a new shift in culture: people wanting order in their life through traditional meaning. This is another touch point for Christians in culture.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys discuss Joey's experience of being at a Pentecostal church on Pentecost Sunday. They discuss speaking in tongues, charismatic experience despite what we think, and what normative Christianity might be.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys discuss how everything we do and practice speaks to something about God and what we believe. CRAZY!!
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys discuss if practices are the real driver that leads to belief and unbelief. We are more formed by what we do than by what we believe. Does this mean what we do leads to what we believe?
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this episode, the guys discuss why secularism is such a viable default option for many Christians and what can be done to help change that reality.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
This episode is an update by Joey Millington regarding why there have not been any postings lately, and what to expect for 2023.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this conversation, the guys talked about Post-Modernism and its origin story. They explore how it is a relativization of truth but a forcing of one's truth on another in its modern, "woke" expression. How should Christians engage with this philosophy that has taken hold of culture?
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this conversation, the guys talked about Christian imagination, our Post-COVID environment, discipleship, the beautiful gesture, and much more.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
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In this conversation, the guys talked about what "revival" is. They were initially critical of what was going on at Asbury University but quickly came to the conclusion that what was happening ticked the box of revival. It all depends on how people define the word.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Graeme is a lecturer at Laidlaw College with the Centre for Church Leadership with a PhD in Practical Theology. He has over 20 years of pastoral experience and has lived in both the North and South Islands of New Zealand.
In this conversation, Joey interviews Graeme about his conversion and life story. They talk about Pentecostal Christianity in 1970s New Zealand, his pastoral experience, and much more.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
In this episode, we recap some of our favourite thoughts and moments from season 1, talk about doubt and faith, and distress on a few other topics.
This is the Season Finale for the podcast, and we will be starting up again in February 2023.
Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.com
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Roshan Allpress is the National Principal of Laidlaw College, a Christian College in Aotearoa New Zealand.
In this conversation, Roshan talks a bit about his life and personal call to see Christians fully integrated with the gospel in society. He explains the role of Christian institutions and how they help provide the foundation for a lasting move of God through revival and renewal. He also encourages the church to focus more on faithfulness through multiple generations and centuries rather than a single lifetime.
Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.com
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Jonathan is a PhD student through AUT with an incredible story of meeting Jesus in both life and death.
In this conversation, Joey interviews Jonathan about his life and how he started following Jesus, became a Pentecostal pastor, lived in Israel and had his faith shaken, died and met Jesus, and became the thoughtful believer he is today.
Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.com
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Joey Millington is a lecturer at Laidlaw College in the Theology Department. He is also a staff pastor at East City Wesleyan Church in East Auckland, New Zealand.
In this conversation, Jonathan interviews Joey about his life and how he started following Jesus, initially became a pastor, and moved to New Zealand. Joey discusses how God's calling is what drives his life.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jon Hoskins, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Sam Burrows is a lecturer at Laidlaw College in the Education Department. He is also a staff pastor at St. Augustine's, an Anglican Mission (Church) in Central Auckland, New Zealand.
In this conversation, Sam shares his story of seeking alternative spiritualities as a young adult and how that ultimately left him with deeper, unanswered questions. After coming back to orthodox Christianity, Sam was inspired to write a Master's Thesis looking at the spiritual landscape of Aotearoa-New Zealand from a Pakeha perspective.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jon Hoskins, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
What does Christian flourishing look like, and how does that relate to being human and liturgical anthropology? In this episode, we continue on from our previous conversation talking about liturgical anthropology and what it means to be a "proper" disciple of Jesus. We weave between Charles Taylor, secularism, the Good and Beautiful, and land on something rather interesting.
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jon Hoskins, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Graeme, Jon, and Joey discuss what forms a person as a follower of Jesus, and what should form them. What practices do Christians need to implement? What does it mean to be human?
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Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jon Hoskins, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Graeme, Jon, and Joey discuss the shift that is taking place within the church of Aotearoa-New Zealand. Many pastors and church leaders have observed during/after COVID that the church's methodology needs to change because the culture and context of New Zealand has changed. What changes need to happen? What should the church be attentive to?
Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.com
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jon Hoskins, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.
Get a feel for what you're getting yourself into. Lunch on The Way is about thinking well which leads to living well as faithful followers of Jesus. Graeme, Jonathon, and Joey explore numerous topics that relate to the Church and following Jesus. Be a part of the conversation with us.
Email us at lunchontheway@gmail.com
Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jon Hoskins, and Joey Millington.
The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.