The Satisfaction Space Private Podcast: Recent Episodes
Naomi & Sadie
A private podcast exclusively for members of the Satisfaction Space! Episodes are shorter and way more raw, casual, candid, and less "professional" than our main podcast (which we kinda love!) and disappear after 90 days, so be sure to tune in asap so you don't miss something!
In last week's episode, we gave 10 practical ways for folks with thin (or small-fat) privilege to practice allyship for fat acceptance & fat liberation. This week, we wanted to show you what that might look like in real life by giving you some examples of how we practice these forms of allyship in our day-to-day lives.
And we'd love to hear from you! How do you show up for fat folks in your life? Let us know in the comments!
In last week's main pod episode, we talked about approachable practices to start applying intuitive eating & anti-diet principles to our own lives. This week, we're talking about the bite-sized practices that were (and often still are!) the most powerful in our own lives.
And we'd love to hear from you about your experiencing navigating this work! Feel free to share your experiences in the comments, so we can all learn together!
In last week's main pod episode, we talked about setting expectations for navigating intuitive eating & anti-diet work on your own. So, since we both have first-hand experience with doing this work on our own, in this bonus episode, we're sharing our takeaways about pursuing intuitive eating without the support of a professional.
And we'd love to hear from you about your experiencing navigating this work! Feel free to share your experiences in the comments, so we can all learn together!
In last week's episode, we talked all about why mainstream body positivity is a great entry point, but not a long term solution. So for this week's bonus episode, to normalize that transition, we wanted to share with you our own experiences of starting at body positivity & moving into a more fully realized body liberation mindset and practice.
We're talking about:
- Some of our own early mainstream body positivity misconceptions
- What we found most impactful for digging deeper & learning more about body liberation
- Why this work has to happen on both a societal & personal level
In last week's episode, we had a great conversation with Dr. Marianne Miller about neurodivergence & eating disorder recovery. So for this week's bonus episode, we wanted to share with you some of the things we've learned from working with our neurodivergent clients about how to apply intuitive eating & movement concepts in ways that work for them!
We're talking about:
- How to navigate the tendency to skip meals, either due to medication that kills appetite or simply forgetting to eat
- How overstimulation can interact with hunger/fullness cues
- Why food as stimming is not necessarily a bad thing
- How food aversions or hyperfixations can fit into intuitive eating
- Techniques for making a movement practice more accessible
- And why there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all "normal" way to eat or move!
In this bonus episode, we're chatting about our personal experiences with being in photos (+ how we experienced our moms not wanting to have their pictures taken) and how we've dealt with this over the years. Spoiler alert: it's hard! But, it can get easier over time with some exposure and practice.
This week we're expanding on the conversation we had on the main pod last week about approaching exercise performance goals from an anti-diet perspective!
We're talking about:
Our own experiences with training for specific goals
The differences between training in our diet culture eras vs. our post-diet culture eras
Why training goals don't have to be competitive or miserable
And more!
This week we're expanding on the conversation we had on the main pod last week about perimenopause & menopause!
We're talking about:
Our own misconceptions
How we've navigated (or not navigated!) these conversations in our own lives
Our experiences with perimenopause symptoms & seeking care
And more!
This week we're expanding on the conversation we had on the main pod last week with Chelsea Levy!
We're talking about:
The gender gap in medical research
How diet culture fills the gap when research & medicine fail us
The similarities & important differences in the conversations diabetes and PCOS
What surprised us the most in our conversation with Chelsea
And more!
This week we're expanding on the conversation we had on the main pod last week with Kirsten Morrisson!
We're talking about:
Sadie's reactions listening to this episode for the first time
What surprised us most about what we learned from Kirsten
Why body autonomy relies on having good information
And more!
In this bonus episode, we're breaking down two more diet culture phrases!
We're talking about:
- Toned
- Cheat Meals
- And what the heck any of this has to do with Miley Cyrus!
Have some diet culture phrases you'd like us to break down in a future episode? Let us know in the comments!
In this bonus episode, we're sharing all our thoughts about the conversation Sadie had with Nicola Salmon on the main pod last week!
We're talking about:
- Naomi's observations after getting to listen to the pod after the fact
- All the ways that stigma might actually lead to fertility & pregnancy risk
- The problems with the way we talk about risk calculations
- The common themes of doing our own research, finding community, and advocacy
- And two examples from Naomi's life that show the significant impact of stigma in the fertility & pregnancy fields!
This week we're expanding on our conversation from the main pod and sharing some of the specific unexpected & practical benefits we've experienced from our intuitive eating & anti-diet work!
Have some benefits of your own you'd like to share? We'd love to hear about them in the comments!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
This week we're expanding on the conversation we had on the main pod last week with Jessi Kneeland!
We're digging deeper into our own experiences as we read Body Neutral: A Revolutionary Guide to Overcoming Body Image Issues, including what we learned from our body image avatars, how this was a great reminder that body image work is a lifelong journey, and more!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
This week we're expanding on our conversation about body diversity!
We're chatting all about...
More ways that produce can teach us about body diversity 😂
How body diversity is about more than just our body sizes
What poodles have to do with body diversity
And Sadie's experiences with incorporating body diverse needs into fitness spaces.
Referenced in this episode:
Poodle Science Video
SITA Certification: Size Inclusive Fitness SpecialistÂ
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
This week we're expanding on the conversation we had on the main pod last week with Jenna Jozefowski.
We're chatting all about...
How dance world body standards showed up in Naomi's Pilates career
Why the idea of bodies as business cards is so harmful
How chasing a specific body ideal can prevent us from trying new things
And more!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
This week we're expanding on the conversation we had on the main pod last week with Melanie Losacco about embodiment for fat folks.
We're chatting all about...
How feminism misses the lens of weight stigma
The truth of how often providers pursue trainings for ourselves & have to practice them for ourselves before we can pass them on to our clients
And how sometimes the best thing we can do for our clients with differing identities is be open to critique & referring them to another provider who shares their lived experience.
Plus, we're catching up on what's been going on in our lives this July!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
This week we're expanding on the conversation we had on the main pod last week with Vivian Selles about yoga for body liberation.
We're chatting all about...
How our own relationships to yoga have changed over the years
How we recognize the harm we may have caused in our roles as trainers & coaches
And more!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
This week we're expanding on our conversation about Naomi's recent medical situation & discussing how she's navigating both the required food restrictions during her surgical recovery, as well as (hopefully) her ability to eat more foods for pleasure once she's recovered.
We're chatting all about...
How the binge/restrict cycle might be a factor
How she's leaning in to trusting her body to do what's best & giving herself unconditional permission with food
And why unpacking a fear of fatness & weight gain is an integral part of truly being able to practice unconditional permission.
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
This week we decided to do something light & fun, so we're talking all about the stuff that's satisfying us this summer!
Including....
The clothes we're living in (and where they fall on the "gobble rating"🤣)
Our favorite comfy sandals
What we're reading (spoiler: it's trash!)
What updated version of a show from the 90s we're watching
What we love (and hate!) about skin care routines
And what music we're super late to the party on, but can't stop listening to now!
And, of course, we want to hear what you're into for this summer, too, so let us know in the comments!
Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts!* You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!**
This week we're expanding on our conversation about diet culture in financial conversations!
We're chatting all about...
Examples of anti-fat language in financial conversations
Why shame is not a good motivator
How weight stigma impacts people's personal finances
And why our spending habits might not be as changeable as we think they are!
We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments!
Referenced in this episode:
Virgie Tovar's interview with Landon Tan
Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts!* You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!**
This week we're expanding on our conversation about the problems with moderation, food freedom & health as anti-diet goals!
We're chatting all about...
How we've both evolved in our relationships to these concepts (and why past posts can sometimes make us cringe 😳)
How pleasure is missing from the idea of moderation
The parallels between the marketing of food freedom & financial freedom
And how we're currently defining health for ourselves.
We'd love to hear from you about your feelings on these concepts! So let's get a convo going in the comments!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
As a follow-up to last week's episode with Asher M. Seruya, this week Naomi's getting vulnerable about her personal experiences with diet culture & Jewish identity!
In this episode, we're talking about:
How diet culture played a role in disconnecting Naomi from both her body & her Jewish identity
How anti-fatness & eurocentric beauty standards showed up in Naomi's family
How Naomi is using reconnecting with the Jewish foods she grew up with as a path to reconnect with her identity
And how healing our relationship to food & our bodies can help us to heal & reconnect to other parts of our identities, as well!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
As a follow-up to last week's amazing episode with Ragen Chastain, this week we're sharing some of our own experiences with needing to advocate for ourselves with medical professionals. Because, while we'll each find our own ways to navigate situations like this, we know it can sometimes be helpful to have real world examples of how we put self-advocacy into practice.
In this episode, we're talking about:
How excited (and nervous!) we were to talk to Ragen
Naomi's experiences of navigating weight stigma - once in a smaller body & once in a larger body
Sadie's experience of being dismissed by her doctor about postpartum care
How we both have benefited from educational & professional privilege in our interactions with doctors
How we have navigated (and continue to navigate) the anxiety that comes with self-advocacy
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
This week, we're giving some background on why we think reframing diet culture phrases & narratives is so important. Deconstructing these ideas that are so embedded in our society takes a lot of work, but it's an integral part of healing from diet culture.
In this bonus episode, we're chatting about:
How reframes can help us bridge the gap between what we know intellectually & what we really believe
Why simply ignoring or pushing down our narratives doesn't work
Why you're not doing anything wrong if you're still hearing that diet voice in your head
And why finding reframes that are authentic to our own experiences & values is important.
Referenced in this episode:
Sadie's Free Build Your Own Workout Template
Naomi's Free Reframing Diet Culture Narratives Workbook
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
Last week on the main feed episode, we talked about lowering the bar to movement/exercise to make it more accessible & sustainable. This week we wanted to expand that out to other areas - specifically talking about food and work.
On this week's bonus episode, we're talking about...
how Naomi started managing her fatigue, mood, and energy levels with a new miracle diet: Kraft Mac & Cheese, granola bars, and greens gummies (just kidding about the miracle diet part, of course, but absolutely not kidding about getting curious about exploring simple, tasty, and accessible food choices)
how Sadie has had an evolving relationship with smoothies: from using them as a tool of dieting to now prioritizing them as a convenience snack for nourishment during busy days with back-to-back clients (and no breaks!)
how meal prep in diet culture is designed to make sure we don’t eat too much vs. meal prep outside of diet culture ensures that we have enough
being okay with convenience foods & meals (air fryer, FTW!)
lowering the bar with work by refining our systems & learning how to be okay with saying no to stuff - easier said than done sometimes
how Naomi almost burned business to the ground but outsourced some much-needed help and taking actual time off of work
how Sadie basically did burn her online business to the ground by not necessarily lowering the bar, but laterally shifting the bar into a different direction
our fears of shifting the podcast from weekly publication to every-other-week
how re-assessing our values, priorities, needs is always evolving
AND: how we can do a good job without being everything to everyone at all times
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link! If you're listening to this after 90 days of the initial release, click here.
This week we're giving you our take on the American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines for higher-weight children that we discussed last week with Anna Lutz!
We're chatting all about...
How surprised we've been at the popularity of last week's episode
Our own feelings about these guidelines & the mainstream media coverage, and our own memories of pediatrician visits
How BMI for children is more arts & crafts than math & science
What the heck an "overweight" child even means
The problems that arise when you add dieting & diet culture to limited palates, sensory issues with food, or neurodivergence
The possible unintended consequences of these guidelines for a child's future relationship to alcohol/addiction
Plus, Naomi's controversial take on weight-based medications for adults & Sadie's willingness to brave even the worst comments sections!
Listen now - only in the Satisfaction Space!
*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
Referenced in this episode:
Maintenace Phase Podcast - The Body Mass Index
In this week's bonus episode, we're digging deeper into the some of the topics that came up in our amazing conversation with Dr. Hortencia Jimenez in last week's main podcast!
We're talking about:
Why it's so important that Hortencia is bringing an anti-diet lens to food system critique
What it means to say that food has no moral value within an unethical food system
The problem with personal responsibility & ethical consumption narratives
How we can make choices that align with our values without turning them into rigid rules
Intuitive Eating's food insecurity problem
And the necessity of including cultural food insecurity in our conversations about food security.
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
Referenced in this episode:
Patrilie Hernandez's Food Access Hierarchy Pyramid
This week we're expanding on our conversation with Deb Benfield about aging & body liberation!Â
We're chatting all about...
Our own feelings on aging
How aging narratives have changed for us vs. our parents' generation
How "aging well" as a matter of personal responsibility (or personal failure) is problematic & ignores the real systemic issues that impact us as we age
How intersectionality comes into play with aging
And an unexpected crossover from our heroin chic episode!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
After doing a deep dive on the heroin chic trend on last week's main podcast episode, this week's bonus episode is a fun conversation about our own experiences of fashion & beauty trends of the 1990s & 2000s, and how they impacted us.
We're chatting all about...
Sadie’s past love for glittery makeup & Glamour Shots
Naomi's struggle (and failure) to achieve big bangs
The absurdity of trying to wear children's t-shirts as teen or adult
Belly shirts, belly chains, low rise jeans, and the impact of the 90s-00s obsession with torsos
Our experiences of seeing high school photos of ourselves & recognizing the impact of dieting/diet culture on our bodies
The 90s-00s standard of hairlessness & how our eyebrows will never recover
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
Last week on the main feed we talked about coping with diet & body talk from our families during the holidays. In this week's bonus episode, we're covering another really common part of diet culture at the holidays - food guilt!
The holidays are a big trigger for food guilt for lots of reasons.Â
We're going to parties, eating foods we may not usually eat, drinking things we may not usually drink, and perhaps just generally partaking in more food or drink than normal.Â
And if that wasn't enough to set off the guilt alarms, we're doing it all against the backdrop of family diet & body comments, mainstream media full of holiday diet talk & "healthy hacks", and the ramping up of New Year, New You BS.Â
So it's no wonder we might feel bad about our food choices!
In this week's episode we're talking about a framework for acknowledging, interrogating, and unpacking that food guilt, so that it doesn't ruin our holiday cheer!
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*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
On this week's bonus episode we're digging even deeper into the conversation about hopes for weight loss within Intuitive Eating, and we're chatting all about...
What we really mean when we say that Intuitive Eating will help you reach your "set point" weight
Why it's so hard to predict what our "set point" will actually be & why it makes sense that we often think it's going to mean weight loss
Why it's so important not to treat weight gain with Intuitive Eating as temporary
Why it's totally normal to have uncomfortable feelings about changes in our bodies
How we can approach those uncomfortable feelings with curiosity, compassion & kindness (including a framework for doing this!!)
Plus, we're sharing....
Some examples of how we've both navigated these topics personally
What reality TV shows Sadie is enjoying right now (and the anti-fat narratives she's noticed while watching them)
And Naomi's realization that she's a Taylor Swift fan & a brief discussion about the controversy around an anti-fat scene in the Anti-Hero music video
Listen now - only in the Satisfaction Space!
*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
In this week's special Satisfaction Space Bonus Episode, we're chatting all about...
The 'behind the scenes' of making a podcast and some things that go down in recording and editing that most folks don't know even happens!
Why we’re better as a podcast recording and producing team (...we tend to forget about stuff when we try to go at it alone!)
How we definitely love having some episodes where it's just the two of us, we also have some favorite things about having guests on the pod!Â
Last week's episode with Jessie Mundell and some of our own take-aways and favorite moments
How Naomi used to avoid certain clothing items because she was afraid she'd look pregnant...and how someone asked Sadie if she was expecting a few weeks ago (she is not)
How this work never ends and there are always more layers to peel back
Naomi's love for Dr. Martens & 90s fashion
....AND, how we're both loving these bonus Satisfaction Space episodes because they feel more candid and comfy
*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!
It's our first ever private podcast episode - created just for folks in the Satisfaction Space! We're loving this format because we feel like we can be more open, casual, and less scripted than in our main public podcast.
This week, we're doing an after-cast of Episode # 53 with Vysh Sivakumaran. Tune in to this shorter episode to hear our commentary of...
how counting calories and tracking macros is appealing to folks like Sadie who have perfectionist tendencies
that time Naomi fell hard into the Paleo trap
how we both very much resonated with Vysh feeling like when she looked the best (according to societal standards) she felt the absolute worst
...and get the inside scoop on how Sadie is speaking out create change and what's going on with Naomi's back yard!
We hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoyed recording this bonus episode!
*Note because this is a private podcast, it won't appear on players such as Spotify or Apple Podcasts! You'll only be able to stream it directly from our podcast link!