Hands at the Table: Recent Episodes
Bori Suranyi & Jeff Bramhall
Hands at the Table shows massage therapists how powerful our profession can be. Cohosts Bori Suranyi and Jeff Bramhall believe that as a craft and as a profession, massage therapy is only limited by a therapist's imagination and willingness to put in the work. By sharing what we’re learning, what we’re working on, and what’s captured our interest, we hope to broaden your perspective, inspire you to set your standard high, and invest in your craft.
A few months ago, Whitney Low hosted Sandy Fritz on The Thinking Practitioner.
Both Bori and Jeff had pretty strong positive and negative responses to what Sandy had to say.
In this episode, we try to tease out what struck such a strong chord with each of us.
You can listen to the TTP episode here. Each of us listened to it more than once, and we encourage you to do so as well!
Half book review and half "maybe this is why the work works" discussion, about a year ago Jeff read Lisa Feldman Barrett's How Emotions Are Made and has been mulling it over ever since.
Credit to two others in the field for pointing us down this path.
- Science of Touch's Eddie Ulm for providing a framework of bodywork through a predictive coding lens.
- The authors of this paper for linking predictive coding to osteopathy.
Jeff's flying solo this week talking about teaching; not just continuing education but being faculty at a massage school.
The school I teach at is located in Boston and also has locations in Easthampton, MA and St Paul, MN. It's called, fittingly, The Massage School.
Find Bori on Instagram at: @bori_suranyi_lmt
Find Jeff on Instagram at: @justbreathemanualtherapy and @jbramhall
Questions, comments, or suggestions? Hit us up at Jeff@JustBreatheManualTherapy.com
Back in January, Jeff spent a week at Todd Garcia's Laboratory of Anatomical Enlightenment with Todd and Tom Myers performing fascial dissection using the lens of Anatomy Trains.
It was quite an experience that Jeff details in this episode.
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Questions, comments, or suggestions? Hit us up at Jeff@JustBreatheManualTherapy.com
In today's episode, Bori and Jeff discuss a case study of one of Bori's clients who was presenting with not one, but TWO types of heel pain.
How did she address them?
How would Jeff?
How would you?!
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Questions, comments, or suggestions? Hit us up at Jeff@JustBreatheManualTherapy.com
This summer, Jeff got a chance to co-teach with previous guest Eddie Ulm.
In this episode, Jeff reflects on that experience.
Links:
- The Science of Touch
- Part One with Eddie - Origin Stories
- Part Two with Eddie - Creating a Platform
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Questions, comments, or suggestions? Hit us up at Jeff@JustBreatheManualTherapy.com
Bori was recently commissioned to translate an EFT course. She shares some of what she learned and delves into some of the uniqueness of language.
Links:
- Dawson Church's The Genie in Your Genese
- The Tapping Solution
- Gary Craig's EFT Trainings
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Questions, comments, or suggestions? Hit us up at Jeff@JustBreatheManualTherapy.com
Bori and Jeff are back!!!!
This episode talks about where we are today, going into Bori's new business and Jeff's on the two-year anniversary.
Links:
- The Language Nerds facebook group
- Ep021 about using surveys
- Emotion Concepts vs Universal Emotions
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Questions, comments, or suggestions? Hit us up at Jeff@JustBreatheManualTherapy.com
We're coming back! After about a year off, Bori and Jeff will be back on the podcasting scene!
New episodes, new topics, and more guests. Keeping it impactful and tight.
And always with the aim to raise the bar among massage therapists, manual therapists, and bodyworkers.
See you soon!
Jeff goes solo to talk about taking time off and asks you, the listener, how YOU manage to do it. Email him tips at jeff@justbreathemanualtherapy.com!
How do you tell your cup is full?
What do you do about it?
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Bori is back in Conor Harris's Biomechanics class. In this episode, we talk about why she'd return to a class, what she's looking to gain from it, and how she is approaching it differently the second time around.
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A struggle we all may face is how our ego shows up in our work and interactions with others. Bori and Jeff talk through how to get past the ego and into making real positive change.
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Jeff's been taking Til Luchau's Advanced Trainings's Leg Principles course. In this episode, we talk about what it's like to be in a course designed around being used and his use of it!
You can learn more about it here.
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Bori invites you to her processing brain. How does a case build up? How can Bori smooth in all the techniques and concepts? What else does she think about when a person asks for her guidance?
Lymphatic massage for you. At home! Quick and easy way to increase your flooowww! And here is the link to the YT video: https://youtu.be/oM6ahhoUhHo
Jeff going solo talking about how Til Luchau is shifting the language of our industry in a really good way!
What is it like to work with a copywriter and copyeditor? Jeff shares his experiences.
Here's the revised Frameworks, Not Gospels blog post.
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Bori goes solo again on how is it to start the process of a business again in Hungary. She just moved back a few weeks ago so these are the very first steps and obstacles. Enjoy.
Ok, one last solo from Jeff.
This one about redefining one's message for their practice. I'm working on this right now.
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Another Jeff solo as Bori gets set up back in Europe. A short thought about the journeys we get to witness as bodyworkers.
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As we talked about in the last episode, Bori's moving and changing her practice. Today, Jeff is solo discussing what he's looking forward to in the next phase of this podcast.
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Closing the business, celebrating an anniversary, there's a lot that's changing in both our lives. Today, we touch into it.
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In today's episode, we look back on Bori's thoughts from a few weeks ago about burnout. Together, we talk through some of the ways we pay attention to burnout and keep ourselves from going too far into the hole.
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As Bori is wrapping up her practice, Just Breathe Manual Therapy is closing out year one in operation. Today, I’m sharing three lessons I’ve learned in the past year.
In this solo episode Bori talks about the different layers of burn out. The physical emotional and spiritual layers of fatigue. Have you ever had a burn out? Are you burned out now? How do you handle that when that happens? How do you know when it happens?
Jeff flies solo and talks about the idea of expertise.
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Then give this episode a listen. I sold my practice in 2017 and these are bits and pieces i learned in the process and how i would do it differently today. Good luck!
Jeff comes in solo to talk about how he adds different elements into his work. As always: Like, Comment, Subscribe, Review - those are super helpful for others. Bori is on Instagram at: @bori_suranyi_lmt Jeff is on Instagram at: @justbreathemanualtherapy
This is a Solo Episode with Bori about how she goes about treating one hip versus treating the sacrum on both side. A more biomechanical, soft tissue approach to hip pain and conditions. As always: Like, Comment, Subscribe, Review - those are super helpful for others. Bori is on Instagram at: @bori_suranyi_lmt Jeff is on Instagram at: @justbreathemanualtherapy
After nine months of recording this podcast and over a year of being in regular contact, Bori and Jeff meet up in person!
The focus of this conversation is on the language we use as practitioners and the potential pitfalls of objectifying our clients through assessment. Beyond that, we get into the trick we sometimes play on ourselves when we strive for objective measures and the unfortunate potential side-effects of testing. This was a really exciting conversation that offers some immediately practical advice.
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Bori is on Instagram at: @bori_suranyi_lmt
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Bori's reading The Infinite Game by Simon Sinek and felt inspired to draw parallels to the world of massage therapy.
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After last week's discussion on the feeling of being uninspired, we decided to check back on how we're feeling and what's made a difference.
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Bori and Jeff talk through some of the struggles we (all?) run into as business owners, empathetic folks, and people who are just ... trying!
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Wrapping up the month of CE reviews with another tangent: Buteyko Breathing.
Learn more about Buyteko Breathing here.
Here's a link to Patrick McKeown's other work, including The Oxygen Advantage.
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Thanks to Sean Light for bringing Bori, Jeff, and Conor together!
Today we discuss The Pinnacle Performance Biomechanics program. You can learn more about it here!
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Continuing our series looking at CE offerings, today we look at TRE through the lens of an interview with Dr David Bercelli.
Here's where you can learn more about TRE.
Here is a free (free!!!!) video that will walk you through the TRE process. Give it a try and let us know how it works for you!
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Bori is on Instagram at: @bori_suranyi_lmt
Jeff is on Instagram at: @justbreathemanualtherapy
This is the first in a series of CE course reviews. Today, we're looking at Perry Nickelston's Lymphatic Mojo course.
Find more about Perry here. Learn more about the course here.
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Bori is on Instagram at: @bori_suranyi_lmt
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Jeff caps out our month of solo episodes with a recap of what he's been doing to build a community in his new location. We want to hear from you how you've built a community in your practice! Please reach out to continue the conversation!
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Bori is on Instagram at: @bori_suranyi_lmt
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Bori talks about the book Raving Fans by Ken Blanchard and Sheldon Bowles. This classic book written in 1993 dissects why companies need not just "satisfied customers" but Raving Fans and how to cultivate those clients.
There is three little secrets to growing an audience like that... Listen to the episode to learn more.
Bori talks about why a shift towards holistic approach is inevitable for the healthcare field. And what does it really mean to be a "holistic practitioner"? She will have a presentation about this at the Recovery and Sleep Summit organized April 23-25 and April 30- May 2.
Links for the 2nd Annual Recovery and Sleep Summit:
Summit registration: https://www.sleepcoachcourse.com/a/45405/oXr2QohH
Direct recordings purchase: https://www.sleepcoachcourse.com/a/45400/oXr2QohH
Jeff's solo once again. This time talking about the value of being in an entrepreneurship & mentorship program, and especially the value of working with people who have widely different viewpoints to your own.
Learn more about EforAll here. The business accelerator programs are well-established in Massachusetts. There are also chapters in Colorado and Arkansas, and they have expansion plans through 2021 and 2022.
Here's where you can find your local SCORE chapter and learn more about them.
GOOD LUCK!!
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In the second part of our conversation with Eddie Ulm, we discuss the motivations behind designing an online course. Everything from how we've decided these courses can add value to the surprise challenges we run into and everything in-between.
You can find more about Eddie at Science Of Touch. He shares a lot of valuable (and free!) information through his newsletter and on his Instagram page.
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Our first guest! Edward Ulm from Science of Touch joins us and shares his journey from athlete to chronic pain to exercise science to his discovery of bodywork and how it's helped him travel the world.
Before we get into the episode, we each offer our perspective as manual therapists on the rise in anti-Asian hate crimes and white supremacist terrorism in the US. Red Canary Song is an organization that I (Jeff) believe is deserving of your support.
You can find more about Eddie at Science Of Touch. He shares a lot of valuable (and free!) information through his newsletter and on his Instagram page.
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Today we’re talking about the two way street between our mind and body.
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Connection, disconnection, all that fun stuff!
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Recently, Bori attended a meeting of the minds among researchers and clinicians at the forefront of pain management science and research. In this episode, we discuss her biggest takeaways and how we can apply them to our work with our clients.
The Open Center
Self-Compassion
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Prior to opening Just Breathe Manual Therapy, Jeff led a sales team at Onshape as the company built towards a $260M acquisition. In this episode, he shares some of the sales tools and tactics that have made their way into his manual therapy practice.
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Bori just launched a mentorship program with the aim of helping LMTs in the Galveston/Houston area level up their education and confidence. In this episode, she shares why she launched this program, how she's built it, and how it fits in with the education we receive as LMTs.
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Jeff solo talking through his story, why he shares it, what he wants people to learn from it, and how it shapes his work moving forward.
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Bori was part of the medical staff at the IWF (olympic weightlifting) world championship in Houston in 2015. She's also done a lot of work at the finish line of Ironman Triathlons.
In this episode, we dig into the difference between working in those environments and normal practices. We also dig into the key similarity - the confidence we can help someone feel as they leave out table.
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Don't be afraid to try!
Here is a link to the survey Jeff used. If you have any questions, please do reach out!
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In this episode we dig into one of Jeff's favorite books, Robert Sapolsky's Behave.
Here is a link to the book.
Other resources mentioned in the episode:
A youtube playlist of Sapolsky's lectures at Stanford in Human Behavioral Biology (the roots of this book)
Bill Gates and Rashida Jones interview Yuval Noah Harari on the Gates Notes podcast.
Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari
Humankind by Rutger Bregman
The Coddling of the American Mind, the Atlantic article by Jonathan Haidt.
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Solo episode by Bori. In this episode Bori talks about how reading books, watching movies and overall being immersed in your culture can help you gain or retain clients. Being well read/cultured helps you connect to people, solve problems faster and see the world without travel.
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Now that we're into the beginning of 2021, we share our intentions for the year across two categories - where we are going to consciously say YES and where we are going to learn to say NO.
The questions we discuss are borrowed from a wonderful, free resource called YearCompass. Find their booklets here.
We'd love to hear how you're approaching 2021, please share your thoughts with us!
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So, 2020's been a thing, eh? In this episode, we move beyond the emotions around the year and focus on what we've been given and what we've given this year. We'd love to hear what you've given in 2020 and what it's given you!
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Jeff takes on another solo episode where he riffs on habits, freedom, and intentionally cultivating a fulfilling life.
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Another solo episode on HATT. This time you can hear what is Bori's perspective on managing the risks in a COVID era.
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One of the pivotal books in Bori's life is Job's Body by Deane Juhan. In today's episode, we dive into what the book means to her and how it opened her eyes to the art and science of bodywork.
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Here's the article we're talking about in this episode. It made quite a splash in the massage therapist social media world. Here's our take!
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A HATT first - a solo episode.
Jeff tested positive for COVID. He shares how he knew, what he did and is doing, and how it feels to be a participant in a pandemic..
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This is a fun one! Bori shares how she got years of experience in a short time by working in a chiropractic office, her idea for an internship program in her practice, what she looks for in a new practitioner, and more!
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We had this on the backlog, but brought it to the front of the line after listening to a new episode of The Thinking Practitioner. We'd encourage you to give a listen to their Episode 25 prior to jumping into this one. Til and Whitney do a great job with the biomechanics and covering the controversy (gasp) of psoas work.
Jeff and Bori each take different approaches both to the the how and why of psoas work and we explain each in the episode.
Bori also shares a couple horror stories of people doing psoas work poorly, Jeff shares a crazy psoas story
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This episode was inspired by the great podcast How's The Pressure. Haley Winter would close each interview with a question about failure.
Bori and Jeff take on some cases of failure, and what they learned from those tough moments.
We'd love you to share your own experiences of failure and learning - send us messages on Instagram!
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Let's get to brass tacks - how do you approach another health and wellness professional and let them know that you're actually a partner rather than just looking for easy business? Two words: service & curiosity!
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If you are a massage therapist or any other small business owner and you're suffering, this episode is for you!
In this episode, we dig into how we run our practices, taking your head out of the sand, and facing the reality of money.
Both Jeff and Bori use Profit First as a methodology to manage their businesses.
Jeff recommends the Elite Vitality Mastery program as an accessible kick-start into this world.
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We both love the pairing of teaching and practicing. In this episode we get into why it's so resonant for each of us.
As they say, "teaching is like learning twice."
Keep an eye on Bori's IG for when she'll be teaching again.
Jeff teaches for Reflexive Performance Reset.
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Oh boy did we go wide on this one! It's a bit more focused on how the rubber hits the road and what a client can expect on their first visit.
We share how we prepare for and approach sessions, where we're really similar and where we're really different (OMG - different viewpoints and we're still friends?!).
Stick around because the last part of this episode has some absolute gems in it.
We promised a bunch of links, and here they are!
- A PRI Introduction for normal human beings
- Somatic Experiencing
- RPR - try this at home!
- Be Activated
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We dive in on what we hope for the profession (and the real human beings who make it up)!
For both of us, continuing education is a big, big deal. Here are a few of the courses we talk about in the episode.
Bori's Recommendations:
- Center for Neurosomatic Studies
- James Wasalaski's Orthopedic Massage
- Myoskeletal Alignment
- Postural Restoration Institute
Jeff's Recommendations:
- Indiana State University Minor in Massage Therapy
- Be Activated
- Reflexive Performance Reset
- Anatomy Trains In Motion and Slings (formerly AT for MTs)
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The tables turn! Bori asks Jeff about what brought him to massage, what his current "chew toy" is, and why he feels weird about the title "Massage Therapist."
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Jeff interviews Bori on her background, how she found massage therapy, and we get a Hungarian book recommendation!
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Bori and Jeff talk about why this podcast exists (it's not just for Massage Therapists!).
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A quick introduction to Hands At The Table with Bori Suranyi and Jeff Bramhall!
A brand-new podcast for massage therapists, hosted by an industry veteran (Bori), and a newcomer to the business (Jeff).
We'll explore how massage therapists can raise the profile of the industry, work with other healthcare professionals, and build strong foundations for a business to sustain them for the long haul.