The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice: Recent Episodes

Husain Haidri

Welcome to The Table, where we discuss issues of youth justice in Michigan and occasionally nationwide. New episodes of The Table will be released on the first of the month. Each episode may be a bit different than the last, as we discuss current issues, reports, and maybe even host a guest here and there. The Table can be found wherever you listen. Remember to rate, review, and subscribe. If you'd like to donate to support our work, please go to miyouthjustice.org/donate. And again, welcome to The Table.

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Join Macayla and Katie for the season 3 finale of The Table, as they delve into the intersection between the juvenile justice and child welfare systems with Michael D. Davis-Thomas, a youth advocate, student, and speaker. Listen to the insightful and powerful discussion now at www.miyouthjustice.org/thetable or wherever you find your podcasts!


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Join Macayla and Katie for the finale of a special two-part episode of The Table, as they continue to explore how recent changes to the Child Care Fund will benefit different counties in Michigan. This month, the duo hears from Nicole Faulds of Macomb Co., as she discusses how the additional funding from the CCF is pivotal in expanding youth programs. Listen at www.miyouthjustice.org/thetable or wherever you find your podcasts!

Other Resources:

  • Find out more about our work
  • Apply for the Voices of Justice Youth Fellowship
  • Submit a design for our Youth T-shirt Contest

Reach out to Macayla and Katie: mjones@miyouthjustice.org & kmartin@miyouthjustice.org


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Join Macayla and Katie for part one of a brand new episode of The Table, where they explore changes to the Child Care Fund that are set to take place in Michigan, with Thom Lattig, Ottawa County juvenile court director. Listen at www.miyouthjustice.org/thetable or wherever you find your podcasts!

Other Resources:

  • Find out more about our work

Reach out to Macayla and Katie: mjones@miyouthjustice.org & kmartin@miyouthjustice.org


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We're excited to bring you a brand new episode of The Table, where Macayla and Katie discuss the historical background of juvenile court fines and fees with Ray Durham, from the National Center for Youth Law. The trio examines how Michigan's recent movement to eliminate the majority of fines and fees will benefit youth and their families. Listen at www.miyouthjustice.org/thetable or wherever you find your podcasts!

Other Resources:

  • Learn more about the National Center for Youth Law
  • Learn more about Ray
  • Find out more about our work

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We're excited to bring you a new episode of The Table, where Macayla and Katie explore the power of restorative justice in transforming the lives of young people and communities with Belinda Dulin, executive director of the Dispute Resolution Center. Listen at www.miyouthjustice.org/thetable or wherever you find your podcasts!

Other Resources:

  • Learn more about the Dispute Resolution Center
  • Learn more and buy tickets for our gala, Advocacy in Action!
  • Find out more about our work

Reach out to Macayla and Katie: mjones@miyouthjustice.org & kmartin@miyouthjustice.org


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We encourage you to listen to a new episode of The Table, as Macayla and Katie discuss why it's important for youth to have a seat at the table in regards to juvenile justice, with special guests Michigan State Senator Stephanie Chang and Michigan State Representative Kara Hope. MCYJ Outreach and Advocacy Manager Denita Dorsey also stops by to share the importance of creating an additional set of core values specific to youth engagement. Listen at www.miyouthjustice.org/thetable or wherever you find your podcasts!

Other Resources:

  • Learn more about Michigan State Senator Stephanie Chang
  • Learn more about Michigan State Representative Kara Hope
  • Learn more about Denita Dorsey, MCYJ Outreach and Advocacy Manager
  • Learn more and buy tickets for our gala, Advocacy in Action!
  • Find out more about our work

Reach out to Macayla and Katie: mjones@miyouthjustice.org & kmartin@miyouthjustice.org


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Macayla Jones and Katie Martin are excited to return for episode 2 of "The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice!" This episode, Macayla and Katie are joined by special guest Maria Degillo from Communities United as they discuss school issues, solutions and programs that can be adopted by school districts across the nation.

Other Resources:

  • Learn more about Communities United
  • Learn more about MCYJ

Reach out to Macayla and Katie: mjones@miyouthjustice.org & kmartin@miyouthjustice.org


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"The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice"is back for another season, with new hosts Macayla Jones and Katie Martin! To kick off season 3, Macayla and Katie will introduce themselves and recap what MCYJ has been up to this past year. This episode also features special guest MCYJ Policy Director Jennifer Peacock, as she reflects on how the historic juvenile justice bill package that was recently signed into law will affect Michigan moving forward.

Other Resources:

  • Implementation of Justice for Kids and Communities
  • Changes to Michigan juvenile justice system signed into law (Detroit Free Press)
  • Michigan Enacts Laws to Reform Its Juvenile Justice System

Reach out to Macayla and Katie: mjones@miyouthjustice.org, kmartin@miyouthjustice.org


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To close out the second season of “The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice,” Husain Haidri summarizes this season’s episodes and shares some outtakes from past interviews. But first, Jennifer Peacock shares major legislative updates!

Other resources:

  • Take action towards youth justice!

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On this month’s episode of “The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice,” Macayla Jones joins the show to share conversations with Judge Karen Braxton of Wayne County and Jason Smith, MCYJ’s Executive Director. They talk about how they arrived at careers in juvenile justice, interesting stories from their personal and professional past, and more!

Other resources:

  • Meet Judge Braxton
  • Meet Jason Smith

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On this month’s episode of “The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice,” Husain Haidri talks to Joshua Pease, Director of the Youth Defense Project at the State Appellate Defender Office. Josh shares some updates about SADO, expansions to its mission, and funding it hopes to secure this year. Husain then asks him about what it means for a minor to be charged as an adult, why it happens, and the process. Josh then breaks down the Juvenile Justice Task Force’s proposed amendments to the waiver process.

Other resources:

  • Task Force Recommendations
  • Click on Detroit: Crumbley Charged as Adult
  • MCL 712A.4

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On this month’s episode of “The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice,” Husain talks to Josh Rovner from the Sentencing Project about diverting youth from the juvenile justice system. They talk about the merits of diversion practices, and Husain discusses MCYJ’s efforts to promote diversion across the state. For more information:

  • Diversion: A Hidden Key to Combating Racial and Ethnic Disparities in Juvenile Justice
  • Opinion | Michigan needs a statewide approach to reform juvenile justice (Bridge)
  • Michigan’s Task Force On Juvenile Justice Reform Approves Comprehensive Blueprint For Transforming Juvenile Justice Statewide

Reach out to Husain: hhaidri@miyouthjustice.org


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On this month's episode of "The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice,” Husain Haidri interviews MCYJ Policy Director Jennifer Peacock. In their conversation, Jen talks about her personal background and how she ended up at MCYJ. Husain asks about what legislative advocacy looks like, and Jen shares some interesting anecdotes.

Additional Information:

  • hhaidri@miyouthjustice.org
  • MCYJ Event with the League of Women Voters
  • Trailer for Building Momentum
  • About Cafe Momentum

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This month, Husain talks to Thom Lattig about youth justice at the local level. After a deep-dive on the Child Care Fund, they talk about how proposed shifts to the funding model may transform the system for the better.

  • hhaidri@miyouthjustice.org
  • MCYJ's 2021 COVID-19 Report
  • Thom Lattig
  • Gov. Whitmer’s budget proposal
  • MDHHS Child Care Fund
  • Child Care Fund Handbook

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Husain Haidri discusses the origins of juvenile public defense, describes what a public defender is and does, addresses some of the objections to the public defender system, and offers some solutions to serious problems in the system. At the end of the episode, there's also an update on juvenile life without parole in Michigan.

See also:

  • Case: In Re Gault
  • Paper: The Impact of National Standards on Juvenile Defense Practice
  • Paper: OJJDP on Restorative Justice
  • Paper: Rethinking the Sanctioning Function in Juvenile Court: Retributive or Restorative Responses to Youth Crime
  • National Juvenile Defender Standards
  • SADO December Minutes
  • Article: Police Routinely Read Juveniles their Miranda Rights, But Do Kids Really Understand Them?
  • Video: Juvenile Justice Task Force Meeting (4/2022)
  • Article: SADO’s Summary on Michigan’s Juvenile Life without Parole Cases

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To start season 2, Husain lays out the legislative landscape for youth justice policies in 2023 and talks about the role and effect of fear in policy-making.

Contact me: Husain Haidri, hhaidri@miyouthjustice.org

External References

  • https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf
  • https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2022/08/25/wayne-county-juvenile-detention-facility-jail-overcrowding-understaffed/65418803007/
  • https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2022/09/23/jdf-wayne-county-juvenile-jail-complaints/69510344007/
  • https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/fighting-understaffing-wayne-county-moves-juveniles-to-vacant-jail
  • https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-education/scores-michigan-schools-close-amid-threats-following-oxford-shootings
  • https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/09/oxford-shooting-copycat-threats-students-arrested/6445301001/
  • https://www.abc12.com/news/10-year-old-saginaw-4th-grader-charged-with-false-threat-of-terrorism/article_714ccaaa-bb6e-11ec-99c4-dfe668b3cb33.html
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For the season finale, Husain breaks down the long-awaited recommendations from the Governor’s Task Force on Juvenile Justice. He talks about the Task Force’s approach, what they ultimately recommended, and how these recommendations will be implemented. At the end of the show, Michigan Supreme Court Justice Elizabeth Clement joins the show to discuss which recommendations are most important to her, the role of the judiciary more broadly, and what she hopes advocates will pick up on in the future.

Task Force Recommendations

Michigan Supreme Court (YouTube)

Michigan Committee on Juvenile Justice

National Juvenile Defender Center report on Michigan

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This month, Husain and Gabi discuss raising Michigan's minimum age of juvenile jurisdiction, where Michigan stands domestically and internationally, and the adultification of black youth.

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Sources:

  • Addressing Child Mental Health by Creating a National Minimum Age for Juvenile Justice Jurisdiction
  • Assault charge dropped against 10-year-old boy who injured classmate in dodgeball-like game
  • Assault charges dismissed against 10-year-old for hitting student in school game
  • Michigan Legislature - Section 330.2062
  • Michigan – NJDC
  • Minimum Age for Delinquency Adjudication—Multi-Jurisdiction Survey – NJDC
  • More than 30,000 children under age 10 have been arrested in the US since 2013: FBI - ABC News
  • NJJN Policy Platform: Raise the Minimum Age for Trying Children in Juvenile Court
  • Racial Disparities in Sentencing
  • Raising the Minimum Age for Prosecuting Children
  • Statewide Arrests by Crime Type, Age, Race, and Gender Report
  • The Essence of Innocence: Consequences of Dehumanizing Black Children

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This month, Husain and Gabi talk about how Michigan raised their age of juvenile jurisdiction from 17 to 18 years old, what that means for kids, and how the courts adapted to it. Raise the Age was a major win for Michigan and MCYJ is proud to have helped advocate for this change!

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For more information on Raise the Age, click below: 

Upper Age of Jurisdiction.

YOUTH BEHIND BARS

Raise the Age: Protecting Kids and Enhancing Public Safety in Michigan

Mid-Michigan counties adjust to Raise the Age legislation

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In this month's episode, we continue the conversation about juvenile life without parole. With two very special guests, this episode is a first for us! Dan Korobkin of the ACLU-MI and Senator Jeff Irwin join us to talk about JLWOP in Michigan. Dan walks us through the case of Hill v. Snyder, which challenged JLWOP in Michigan; then, Sen. Irwin talks to us about a set of bills he and his colleagues introduced to eliminate the use of JLWOP sentences in Michigan. 

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ACLU Michigan - Juvenile Life Without Parole

Sen. Jeff Irwin

Senators Introduce Legislation to End Juvenile Life Without Parole

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In this month's episode, Gabi and Husain discuss juvenile life without parole, or JLWOP. JLWOP is a sentence of life imprisonment imposed on youth, essentially deeming them unfit to ever return to society. This simply isn't true, and this episode highlights why. Listen to hear how childhood upbringing, societal impacts, and brain development all play into criminal activity, how the United States Supreme Court worked their way through the cases of six individuals, deciding at nearly every turn that JLWOP constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, and how it can still be used today.

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Helpline Numbers:

National Domestic Violence Hotline 800-799-7233

Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration 1-800-622-4357

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 800-273-8255

For more information on the cases discussed today, click below:

Roper v. Simmons | Oyez

Roper v. Simmons :: 543 US 551 (2005)

Roper v. Simmons

The Abused Childhood Of Christopher Simmons English Literature Essay.

Too Immature for the Death Penalty? - The New York Times

Graham v. Florida | Oyez

Graham v. Florida :: 560 US 48 (2010)

Miller v. Alabama | Oyez

Miller v. Alabama :: 567 US 460 (2012)

Montgomery v. Louisiana | Oyez

Montgomery v. Louisiana :: 577 US ___ (2016)

Jones v. Mississippi | Oyez

Jones v. Mississippi :: 593 US ___ (2021)

Book link: Sentencing Juveniles to Life in Prison, Justice Denied

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This week on The Table we're going to be talking about the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on youth in the justice system. Since the onset of the pandemic, the Michigan Center for Youth Justice has put out two reports (linked below) detailing the changes in the youth justice system due to COVID-19. This episode covers the initial changes made as a result of the pandemic, as well as what those changes look like after some time. We discuss the positive changes made and pose some questions for thought regarding public safety and the use of incarceration for youth.

To learn more about MCYJ and our work, visit miyouthjustice.org. To donate to support our work, go to miyouthjustice.org/donate.

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Risk/Needs Assessment 101: Science Reveals New Tools to Manage Offenders

Michigan Trial Courts Virtual Courtroom Standards and Guidelines

COVID-19 in the Michigan Youth Justice System: An Early Impact Analysis

COVID-19 In The Michigan Youth Justice System: Crisis, Response, and Opportunity

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Youth who are involved in the justice system encounter many consequences, such as probation or out-of-home placement. One aspect of juvenile court involvement that can last well beyond childhood is the financial burden of juvenile court debt. Listen today to learn more about debt-free justice and how you can help!

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Minors Facing Major Debt: The Immense Burden of Court Fees on Macomb County Youth and Families

Publications: Report on the Economic Well-Being of US Households (SHED)

The High Cost of "Justice": A Snapshot of Juvenile Court Fines and Fees in Michigan

2015–16 National Postsecondary Student Aid Study

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The juvenile or youth justice system can seem very convoluted and confusing, especially to those with little experience with it. In this episode, I'm going to cover the basics of juvenile justice and lay the groundwork for the podcast moving forward. 

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Hello and welcome to The Table: Conversations on Youth Justice, a podcast that talks about youth justice in Michigan, and occasionally, nationwide. This podcast is sponsored by the Michigan Center for Youth Justice; a nonprofit organization fighting for a fair and effective justice system for kids. New episodes of The Table will be released on the first of the month. Each episode may be a bit different than the last, as we discuss current issues, reports, and maybe even host a guest here and there. The Table can be found on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen. Remember to rate, review, and subscribe. If you'd like to donate to support our work, please go to miyouthjustice.org/donate.

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