Principled: Recent Episodes
By Matt Hall, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward
Here at Making Stuff Better we are making 2023 the Year of Belonging. This show is a series of journeys we will take to explore what Belonging means in an international school in the 21st century. We discuss leadership stories from around the globe, and uncover what Belonging means today and why Leaders need it to thrive. By Matt Hall, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward. Powered by Making Stuff Better
In this episode of the Interbeing podcast, Naomi and Kyra are joined by Nick Pope, a speaker, facilitator, and coach with extensive experience working with executive teams globally. Nick shares insights from his new book 'Are You a Team or a Meeting?' discussing themes of teamwork, prioritisation, and the significance of purpose in teams. He provides valuable advice on transforming meetings into effective teams, emphasising the importance of humanity, cultural diversity, and shared purpose. The discussion also touches on overcoming challenges like exhaustion, the desire to be 'right,' and making space for genuine, productive collaboration.
00:00 Welcome to Interbeing
02:01 Introducing Our Guest: Nick Pope
07:04 Challenges Teams Face: Exhaustion and ‘Rightitis’
15:19 The Importance of Team Purpose
19:05 Practical Tips for School Leaders
26:52 Creating a Culture of Dialogue and Decision-Making
27:34 Managing Team Turnover and Long-Term Purpose
29:52 The Impact of Cultural Diversity on Team Performance
37:46 Addressing Lone Wolf Syndrome in Teams
38:37 The Role of Leaders in Shaping Team Culture
44:18 Final Thoughts and Reflections on Team Dynamics
Nick Pope’s expertise bridges the space between science and practice. As a scientist, his academic research focuses on the six conditions which create high performing executive teams. As a practitioner, for over two decades he has developed global leaders for some of the world’s most dynamic organisations, including Unilever, Nike, AstraZeneca, Lloyds, Rio Tinto, and Gucci. Engaging, pragmatic, and highly adaptable to the needs of a group, Nick is able to draw from his extensive expertise of working with over 1,000 teams in more than 50 countries from 15 different sectors. He is also visiting faculty on several international leadership programmes, and a sought after executive coach.
His forthcoming book “Are you a Team or a Meeting?” will be published by The Economist in Spring 2026.
Nick is based in Sydney with his wife and children. A keen adventurer, he loves exploring wild new places, especially ancient forests and mountains. He also loves music and is a drummer and DJ. Nick is determined to make the most of life and has gained a deep sense of perspective having lost a number of close friends and family members early in life. He is a founder and trustee of the HKM Foundation, a registered charity that provides music therapy for terminally ill children.
You can find us on Linkedin at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/
At this mid-point in the season, we’re taking a short pause, and asking ourselves the question - What does it mean to be human?
In this episode Naomi and Matt discuss the importance of understanding the human condition, the temporary nature of the term 'human,' and the ongoing quest for connection in an increasingly isolated world. They look back at some highlights of our conversations so far, and forward to more to come.
The podcast will be back in January 2026.
You can find us on Linkedin at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/
In this episode of Interbeing we dive into a profound conversation with Hayley Wilson, Deputy Head of the Senior School at Kellett School in Hong Kong. We explore the role of coaching in fostering a sense of community and humanity within schools, emphasizing values of care, curiosity, and meaningful relationships. Hayley shares her personal and professional journey toward adopting a purpose-driven and coaching-focused ethos, highlighting the significant cultural shifts at Kellett School toward connection, respect, and intentionality in both student and staff development.
02:04 Introducing Hayley Wilson and Kellett School
03:17 What Does It Mean to Be Human?
04:21 The Frenzied Nature of School Life
05:52 Finding Alternatives to Frenzy
08:34 The Importance of Connection and Culture
12:09 Discovering Coaching and Its Impact
18:54 The Power of Purpose in Education
21:50 Creating Conditions for Future Success
22:22 Purpose-Driven Leadership
23:52 Building a Culture of Respect
26:10 Challenges and Intentionality in Leadership
30:05 Cross-Cultural Leadership Dynamics
32:41 Reflections on Team Building
35:01 Final Thoughts and Takeaways
Hayley is the Deputy Head Pastoral, Wellbeing and Community and DSL of Senior of Kellett , The British International School in Hong Kong. Hayley has 18 years of experience as a teacher and leader, 13 years of which have been in an international setting - having worked previously in the USA and Egypt. Hayley holds an MA in Leadership of Mental Health and Wellbeing in Schools and has written a bespoke course in how to be a Senior Mental Health Lead in an International Setting.
Hayley is a purpose driven educator, committed to supporting every child as part of a team who are committed to living their values.
You can find us on Linkedin at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/
In this episode Matt and Naomi discuss the profound impact of coaching on school culture with their guest, Chris Broman from ICS Madrid. They explore themes of interconnectedness, the transformative power of coaching, and the importance of maintaining humanity in education. Chris shares his experiences and insights from introducing coaching into his school, highlighting the challenges and successes of this journey. The conversation delves into the organic growth of coaching practices, the importance of faith in the process, and the resulting positive changes in staff and student interactions. Tune in to hear a rich dialogue about the role of coaching in supporting a generative and reflective educational environment.
02:01 Introducing Chris Broman from ICS Madrid
02:38 Chris Broman's Perspective on Coaching in Schools
06:29 The Journey of Implementing Coaching at ICS Madrid
08:24 Challenges and Successes in Coaching Implementation
10:43 The Impact of Coaching on School Culture
11:26 The Role of Faith and Flexibility in Cultural Change
18:03 Practical Applications and Observations
22:14 Unlearning and Personal Growth in Coaching
27:58 The Ripple Effect: Coaching's Impact on Students
30:23 Looking Ahead: The Future of Coaching at ICS Madrid
31:36 Final Thoughts and Appreciation
32:41 Conclusion: Reflecting on the Conversation
Originally from Wales, Chris brings a wealth of educational experience and international perspective to his role as Principal International College Spain, which is now a European partner school for MSB, hosting coach education programmes for other schools in the region. Chris holds degrees in Mathematics and Sports Science as well as a Masters in Educational Leadership. He has taught across a range of international schools in Bahrain, Korea and Dubai. Before joining ICS, he was Principal of Uptown International School (a three-programme IB school) in Dubai. Chris is highly committed to helping young people find their passions in life through a strong co-curricular programme and inspiring classroom experiences. In addition, he is a facilitator and assessor for the National Professional Qualification for Headteachers, Senior Leaders and Middle Leaders, working with the Institute of Education in the UK.
You can find us on Linkedin at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/
In this episode we delve into the philosophy and practice of coaching, with Nobantu Mpotulo, a coach from Pretoria, South Africa, who introduces listeners to the concept of Ubuntu and the importance of seeing the interconnectedness in all human relationships. The conversation explores how embracing these principles can transform coaching practices and personal development, encouraging a collective approach to growth, presence, and empathy. The episode underscores the necessity of moving beyond individual gains to consider the broader ecosystem of impact and relationships.
02:01 Welcome to the Episode with Nobantu Mpotulo
02:24 Coaching and Ubuntu
05:19 The Essence of Being Human
08:20 Western Coaching Models vs. Ubuntu
23:31 The Diamond Approach and Presence
32:51 The Seven Cs of Ubuntu
36:37 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections
Nobantu Mpotulo hails from South Africa. Being amongst the first five African Coaches globally to be accredited as a MCC by the International Coach Federation, and having experience in varied sectors, Nobanto is a sought-after facilitator for Leadership Development Programs and coaches internationally.
Nobantu follows the agenda of the client in her coaching. Through probing questions and sharing just in time observations, she takes clients deep and helps them to identify their blind spots and embrace their shadows. Clients go deeper into the sub-conscious and unconscious levels and dance with what emerges. She provides a safe and open space for focus and exploration. She moves on a continuum of being non-directive to directive depending on what is missing in the client’s system.
No matter what she does she gets to the HEART of the client and the HEART of the matter. As a Buddhist practitioner and teacher she supports her clients in integrating the head, heart, instinctual and spiritual intelligence. She does amazing heart work with clients based on the principles of UBUNTU ‘I am because we are’.
Nobantu is an accredited Enneagram Teacher (Narrative Tradition) and Enneagram Coach (Enneagram in Business and Deep Coaching). She is a Buddhist Teacher, a Process Facilitator and Facilitator of Peace Circles. She trains, supervises and Mentor Coaches other coaches. She has experience in the private, public, NGO, NPO, Higher Education, as a coach and an OD Facilitator. Nobantu developed the Ubuntu Coaching programme that assists coaches to connect at the heart level with their clients. Live coach demonstrations on Ubuntu Coaching have been done both locally and internationally.
You can find us on Linkedin at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/
In this episode, the conversation centers on coaching within educational environments, emphasizing how coaching techniques align with and support both personal growth and community development. Our guest, Mai Mahmoud, shares her journey from initial skepticism to embracing coaching as a way of life, deeply integrated with her Islamic faith. The discussion explores the impact of cultural and linguistic context on the adoption of coaching practices and highlights the importance of listening, empowerment, and creating authentic relationships in educational settings.
00:00 Welcome to Inter Being
02:01 Introducing Our Guest: Mai Mahmoud
03:46 Mai's Journey into Coaching
07:39 The Impact of Coaching on Faith and Teaching
23:09 Creating a Coaching Culture in Schools
27:36 Reflections and Future Directions
39:48 Concluding Thoughts and Farewell
Mai Mahmoud is Head of Islamic and Social Studies in The British School Abu Dhabi. She holds a master’s degree in Teaching Methodology, and is passionate about nurturing young learners through faith-based education that emphasizes character, compassion, and connection. One of the most transformative experiences in her journey has been learning to coach, which helped her truly understand and respect the quality of listening — not just as a skill, but as a core value in human development. She blends her love of coaching deeply with Islamic principles that honor empathy, growth, and the dignity of every individual. Through her work, she aims to create spaces where children feel spiritually grounded and inspired to live with purpose.
You can find us on Linkedin at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/
Diving into the core of coaching, the episode explores its values and impact on individuals and organisations, particularly schools. Our guest, Rob Kemp, shares insights on measuring the impact of coaching, the role of authenticity, and the emerging relationship between AI and coaching. The conversation also touches on the readiness of organisations for coaching and the broader implications of these practices on human connectedness and organizational culture.
00:00 Welcome to Interbeing: A New Season Begins
02:01 Introducing Today's Guest: Rob Kemp
03:34 What Does Being Human Mean to You?
03:59 Authenticity and Relational Coaching
07:54 Deficit vs. Strengths-Based Models in Education
13:36 The Future of Coaching: Revolution or Evolution?
22:35 AI and the Democratization of Coaching
23:40 Six Criteria for Organizational Coaching
25:38 AI's Limitations in Coaching
30:08 Challenges and Misconceptions in Coaching
31:57 Ensuring Organisational Readiness for Coaching
42:42 The Importance of Trust in Coaching
43:19 Final Thoughts and Reflections
A qualified and experienced Coach, Rob Kemp is a Doctor of Coaching & Mentoring, (2021) holding an MSc in Coaching & Mentoring (2013), and a post-graduate certificate in coaching (2005).
He has coaching experience in the public sector, commercial organisations, education, not-for-profit and voluntary organisations. Sector experience in creative and digital industries, life sciences, new technology, low carbon and clean technology, with extensive experience of senior management and directorships in varied organisations, and specific responsibility for performance, learning and development. Rob was previously the large organisation liaison person (LOLP) for the European Mentoring and Coaching Council, and coordinator for East Midlands Regional Network.
You can find Rob’s paper on AI and coaching, written with Tatiana Bachkirova, at https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17521882.2024.2368598#abstract
You can find us on Linkedin at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/
In the fourth series of the MSB podcast, now rebranded as 'Interbeing', the focus returns to coaching and its values in supporting both self-reflection and cultivating generative relationships within educational environments. The term 'inter being,' coined by Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh, frames this season’s exploration of interconnectedness.
Hosts Matt and Naomi introduce guest Emma Sheppard, a passionate advocate for family-friendly schools, to discuss the impact of coaching on personal growth and professional development. Emma shares her experiences with coaching, her transition into motherhood, and founding the Maternity Teacher Paternity Teacher (MTPT) Project. The episode delves into the challenges and opportunities for educational institutions to support their staff as multifaceted human beings, emphasizing the importance of listening, presence, and personal fulfillment in fostering a positive and thriving school environment.
00:00 Welcome to Series Four: Exploring Interbeing
02:03 Introducing Emma Shepherd: Advocate for Family Friendly Schools
03:18 The Power of Coaching: Transforming Challenges into Opportunities
08:20 Emma's Journey: From Hopelessness to Empowerment
16:39 Balancing Motherhood and Career: The MTPT Project
26:01 The Role of Coaching in Supporting Parents
30:46 Creating Family Friendly Work Environments
40:59 Concluding Thoughts: The Human Experience in Education
Emma Sheppard founded The Maternity Teacher Paternity Teacher (MTPT) Project, the UK's charity for parent-teachers, whilst on maternity leave with her son in 2016. Having trained through Teach First as an English teacher in 2010, she continued to teach in the British International School, Ho Chi Minh, acting as Head of House, before returning to the UK as Lead Practitioner at an academy in South London. Here, she held responsibility for ITT provision, teaching and learning, and line managed the EAL department. In 2020, Emma began training as a coach with The Coaching Academy, and then relocated to the south of France with her family in 2021 to coach and run The MTPT Project full time.
The MTPT Project is the UK's charity for parent-teachers. From humble beginnings as a blog and a Twitter handle, inspiring, empowering and connecting teachers choosing to complete personal and professional development whilst on parental leave, The MTPT Project has grown into the voice of parent-teachers in the UK.
The charity runs training and networking events, provides 1:1 and group coaching to teachers on leave, and is the only organisation completing research into women aged 30-39 - the largest demographic to leave teaching every year. Since 2016, The MTPT Project has worked to tackle the motherhood penalty in education, to transform education into a sustainable and "life-friendly" career choice for all.
Find out more about MTPT at https://www.mtpt.org.uk/
You can find us on Linkedin at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/
Welcome to the fourth series of the MSB podcast, now titled Interbeing. This season focuses on how coaching values can support school communities by encouraging inward reflection and outward, generative relationships. Inspired by Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s concept of 'inter-being', this series explores the interconnectedness of all things. We engage in conversations with coaches and educators, dissecting where coaching succeeds and where it doesn't.
This episode, a bonus beginning to our new series, takes us back to our Re:Sourcing Yourself in Uncertain Times online conference in June. We hosted the inimitable Claire Pedrick, founder of 3D coaching and The Coaching Inn podcast, to have a “keynote conversation” with Naomi Ward, our Head of Learning.
It wasn’t at all rehearsed. Naomi and Claire opened the day – not with a speech and cue cards, but with a pause.
In a warm, unhurried conversation, they explored what it means to lead as the human you are, not just the role you play. Claire reminded us that presence often matters more than speed, and that resourcing ourselves is not indulgence but responsibility. Together, they modelled the quiet courage of listening well, noticing what keeps us steady, and letting go of doing more in favour of doing what matters.
For school leaders holding so much for others, it was a gentle provocation: Who – or what – is holding you?
In this episode, Matt begins with a recitation of Mickey ScottBey Jones's poem about creating 'brave spaces' and discusses the importance of honesty, vulnerability, and simplicity in dialogues. Claire Pedrick and Naomi Ward then lead an in-depth discussion on fostering meaningful conversations in school environments.
00:00 Welcome to Inter Being: Introduction and New Name
02:02 Setting the Tone: Creating a Brave Space
04:29 Introducing Claire: A Journey of Identity and Roles
05:56 The Essence of Conversations: Simplicity and Vulnerability
09:56 Navigating Transformational Conversations
18:51 The Power of Vulnerability in Leadership
24:35 Practical Tips for Effective Communication
38:36 Resourcing and Support: Personal Insights
40:55 Conclusion: Reflecting on the Dialogue
You can find us on Linkedin at
Claire Pedrick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairepedrick/
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Re:Sourcing Yourself in Uncertain Times: https://makingstuffbetter.com/resourcing-yourself-in-a-time-of-uncertainty/
Interbeing 2026:https://makingstuffbetter.com/interbeing/
Interbeing is made by Making Stuff Better https://makingstuffbetter.com/ and produced by Emily Crosby Media https://emilycrosbymedia.com/ and Kyra Kellawan
Many teachers want to make changes, but feel confined by the requirements of curricula and assessment. In this episode, our round table guests discuss their goals for the future of assessment, and how you can effect change even within the current system.
Tia Court-Smith (she/her) - A love of learning and facilitating learning for all ages brought me to teaching later than many. Recipient of the Ted Wragg Award during my PGCE I was trusted to lead a team in a wonderful school during my (then) NQT year. An amazing leader gave me the opportunity to question, collaborate and make things better for our amazing young people. I strive to do the same as a school leader who is now learning, working and loving life at an international school in Bangkok.
Elizabeth Solomon is an Anglo-Indian Jew raised raised between Mumbai, London, and Jerusalem. With over 20 years of IB teaching experience, she has lectured on postcolonial literature and taught IB English and Individuals & Societies in Japan and China. Currently working at the ISF Academy in Hong Kong for 14 years, she leads the International Mindedness PLC and is also an IB assessment author. Elizabeth is pursuing DEIJ certification and is an active member of AIELOC and the International School Anti-Discrimination Task Force. Speaking as a classroom teacher and mother of twins navigating the IB Diploma, she focuses on the realities of assessment for IB students.
Originally from Glasgow, Dariush Saheli began his teaching career in Bolton, England. In 2019 he and his young family moved to Kerala, India, where he rose to Head of Senior School at GEMS Education. He now leads the Seria Campus at International School Brunei.
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Contact the team about our Futures-Focused Pledge at https://zcal.co/t/makingstuffbetter/talktotheteam
You can find us on Linked in at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
What are the structures that restrict change in education? How do we ensure that our students leave our schools with qualifications that reflect the breadth of their knowledge and skill?
Our guest in this episode, Angeline Aow, has a wealth of experience in rethinking pedagogy and curriculum. She challenges our assumptions about what assessment can do and how teachers can use their own critical thinking skills to deliver meaningful educational experiences.
Angeline Aow is an international educator, learning and development specialist, workshop leader, school evaluator and pedagogical leader. In these roles, she has worked in the Asia-Pacific, European, Middle-East and African regions. Angeline trained and taught as a primary school teacher in Sydney, Australia. She then began her international school career at Nanjing International School, China and is currently working part-time at Berlin International School, Germany, in the role of PYP Coordinator (Upper Elementary). She also serves as a part-time International Advisor (focused on Inclusion via Diversity, Equity and Anti-racism - I-DEA) with the Council of International Schools. Her experiences as a homeroom teacher, music specialist, accreditation coordinator, curriculum coordinator and professional learning and development coordinator has given her unique insights in multiple areas.
A well-respected International Baccalaureate Primary Years Programme (IB PYP) educator, Angeline has been working with the programme since 2002 and has been a qualified member of the International Baccalaureate Educator Network (IBEN) since 2007. With over a decade of experience as a workshop leader she has facilitated multiple workshops on a variety of topics and categories. Her areas of expertise include written curriculum development, concept-based curriculum, promoting international mindedness, multilingual teaching and learning and more.
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
You can find us on Linked in at -
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Saving the planet can seem a daunting and overwhelming task, so how do we communicate the scale of the problem with hope and excitement in our schools? In this episode, we’re joined by three educators to discuss the domain of ecology and nature with a futures focus.
Kenny Peavey, originally from Georgia, USA, has over 23 years of experience teaching across Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, and Indonesia. Currently, he teaches Science, Math, and Regeneration in a dynamic outdoor setting at Green School Bali Middle School.
He has led thousands of students on experiential expeditions throughout Southeast Asia focused on cultural immersion, ecology, adventure, and service learning. Passionate about sustainability, Kenny has undertaken initiatives like cycling from Thailand to Bali on a bamboo bike to promote environmental awareness and kayaking around Phuket to highlight marine conservation.
He is also the author of The Box People - Out of the BOX!, a children’s book that encourages sustainable communities and connection with nature. Recognized for his commitment to environmental education and conservation, Kenny has received Volunteer of the Year awards from both Georgia Adopt-A-Stream and the Malaysian Nature Society.
Rose Scavotto is MYP & DP Biology & ESS Teacher and EcoSchools Coordinator at Benjamin Franklin International School. As a sustainability-focused educator, whose strengths include interdisciplinary work and hands-on projects, her goal is to create global citizens with a passion for bettering the world.
Tatiana Ramirez is the Founder of Pebble Effect (www.pebble-effect.net). Tatiana is on a mission to inspire and engage change makers to create a more sustainable and just world for the generations to come. She leverages 15 years of experience in sustainability education to amplify the positive impact of international schools on social and environmental justice.
Tatiana helps schools align their strategy and actions with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) and aims to foster cross-sector collaboration to drive lasting and systemic change.
In previous projects, Tatiana has advised international schools in Spain and Germany through their systemic transformation and the Eco School certification process. She has also initiated and facilitated partnerships with the Jane Goodall Institute, UNICEF and Foundation Airbus.
Our guests shared the following resources -
https://kennywpeavy.medium.com/regenerative-education-teaching-and-learning-that-heals-and-restores-4c82b445b3d6
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o9WBd-Sr4rBypLCMbeiRsjN5ed6qKxTl/view
https://www.gerhardcenter.org/resources-and-articles/what-is-regenerative-education
https://compasseducation.org/
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Contact the team about our Futures-Focused Pledge at https://zcal.co/t/makingstuffbetter/talktotheteam
You can find us on Linked in at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
With the effects of climate change all around us, discussion of the future must involve ecological considerations, but our guest in this episode invites us to think beyond environmental concerns, and to treat education itself as ecology.
In this discussion with Noan Fesnoux, we touch on reframing our expectations of consumption and our relationship with our environment, schools as metacognitive hubs, and the role international schools can play in leading change.
Noan Fesnoux is currently Creative Adviser to the Museum of the Future in Dubai. A person who first and foremost loves people and nature, he works with schools globally to embed place-based and project-based learning into their school culture. Starting as the Green Studies teacher at Green School Bali, he evolved and grew the program to become an integrated and school-wide experience. As Project Coordinator at the same school, he created an immersive middle and high school experience, LEAP Academy.
He went on to seed the vision and start Real School Budapest, a school built around project-based learning. A life long learner who strives to design and build learning environments which amplify the already mighty intrinsic human potential, Noan is also an entrepreneur who is unafraid to take on new challenges as long as the actions are driven by a desire to be more sustainable.
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
You can find us on Linked in at -
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
How can we work with our students to understand their political and cultural identities in a world of constant change? In this episode, we’re joined by three educators to discuss the domain of political economy, identity, privilege and culture with a futures focus.
Loretta Smith is an educator with more than 20 years of experience in international schools. She grew up between cultures, moving several times during her childhood. She is also the mother of two multi-racial, Cross Culture Kids. Her experiences of straddling several cultures as a child, adult, parent and educator have made her aware of how people negotiate belonging in different spaces. This tension drives her curiosity, inquiry and research into belonging. Her study on young children’s perceptions of belonging in culturally, ethnically and linguistically diverse settings is a part of the recently published Handbook of Research on Critical Issues and Global Trends in International Education. Loretta has the privilege of serving the Frankfurt International School Wiesbaden Campus as their associate principal and curriculum coordinator.
The Acting Head of Primary at Renaissance College, Hong Kong, Jason Doucette is originally from Prince Edward Island, Canada. He has worked in Hong Kong since 2002, in various kindergartens and primary schools, as a teacher, Head Teacher, PYP Coordinator and Vice Principal. Jason is a member of the IB Educator Network (workshop leader), an IB School Visiting Team Member, and a qualified Performance Coach. When not spending time with his wife and three young children, he enjoys reading, exercising, and travelling.
A grown up third culture child, British by birth, but raised in Hong Kong, dual British/Canadian citizen, Neil Scott has taught in South Korea, Qatar, Ontario Canada, and now in Hong Kong. He has 16 years experience in education and is currently finishing up an M.Ed. He is the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion lead at Kennedy School, Hong Kong.
Our guests shared the following resources -
Sylvia Duckworth’s Wheel of Power and Privilege - https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Wheel-of-Power-Privilege-and-Marginalization-by-Sylvia-Duckworth-Used-by-permission_fig1_364109273
Emily Meadow’s Wheel for International Schools - https://www.cois.org/about-cis/perspectives-blog/blog-post/~board/perspectives-blog/post/can-diversity-equity-and-belonging-initiatives-create-division-in-schools-and-a-framework-to-help
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Contact the team about our Futures-Focused Pledge at https://zcal.co/t/makingstuffbetter/talktotheteam
You can find us on Linked in at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Many international schools are working hard on confronting issues of inequality, justice and global politics. Involving the wider school community can be challenging without a guide or a framework to follow. Our guest in this episode, Homa Tavanger, poses some thoughtful questions to start the conversation.
In this wide-ranging discussion, we talk about student activism in the wake of the murder of George Floyd, thinking about the future in a liminal age, and confronting colonial heritage.
Homa Tavangar is the co-founder of the Big Questions Institute and the Oneness Lab.
She brings 30+ years’ experience helping diverse organizations and individuals to build cultural, racial and global competence, strategic governance, and visionary, generative leadership in diverse schools and organizations. She coaches leaders on accountability for equity, leading through crisis, and advises on strategic design and planning across five continents. She has co-authored seven books for educators, and is the author of best-selling Growing Up Global: Raising Children to Be At Home in the World (published by Random House) and Global Kids (Barefoot Books). Her most recent publication is 12 Big Questions Schools Must Answer to Create Irresistible Futures with Will Richardson (forthcoming, 2025).
A graduate of UCLA and Princeton, Homa was born in Iran, has lived on four continents, speaks four languages, and has heritage in four world religions. She serves on several Boards, including ISS (International Schools Services) and is a judge for the Templeton Prize, considered the “world’s most interesting prize” with a purse calibrated to exceed the Nobel Prize. She is married and the mother of three adult daughters, and resides in Villanova, Pennsylvania.
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Contact the team about our Futures-Focused Pledge at https://zcal.co/t/makingstuffbetter/talktotheteam
You can find us on Linked in at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
How are the opportunities and challenges that come with the future of technology being felt in schools? This episode, we’re joined by three educators, Rachael Thrash, Yasmine Aslam-Hashmi and Rory Douglas, to discuss futures focussed technology in education.
Rachael Thrash is the CEO and Co-Founder of Belong Hub, student leadership kits and services that guide adults and students to collaboratively create a belonging-centered school culture. Rachael is a school leader and master teacher with 20+ years experience in the field of education. With a Masters from Brown University, she has taught and led initiatives in independent US schools, public community colleges, and international IB schools, most recently the International School of Helsinki in Finland.
Yasmine Aslam-Hashmi is an international school educator with over 18 years of experience. She has taught in Canada, South Korea, Vietnam and Switzerland where she currently resides. Having taken on multiple roles within schools as a teacher, department head, curriculum developer, instructional coach, and an academic and action researcher – Yasmine is an inclusive and equitable schools' specialist, with additional specialist in learning support and teaching English to multilingual learners. She has taught middle school Mathematics, Science, Learning Support, English as an Additional Language, and Grade 11 and 12 Theory of Knowledge. She is currently a co-facilitator for the ECIS DEIJ Leadership Development Cohort, and is teaching at an international school in Zurich, Switzerland.
Rory Douglas currently serves as the Innovation and Learning Coach at Kennedy School in Hong Kong. He has been working with the ESF schools group in Hong Kong for the past 6 years, 3 at Beacon Hill School and 3 at Kennedy, as a Year 5 & 6 teacher. Before that he worked as Head of Early Years in East London, before making the move to Hong Kong. He is an ESF Centre for Research Fellow and also spends time supporting classes across the school in STEM subjects.
Our guests shared the following resources -
"We are in the midst of a historical transformation. Current times are not just part of normal history." Sohail Inayatullah, ed., The Views of Futurists. Vol 4, The Knowledge Base of Futures Studies. Brisbane, Foresight International, 2001.
Jonathan Haidt: The Anxious Generation
The Right Question Institute https://rightquestion.org/
10 to 25: A Groundbreaking Approach to Leading the Next Generation—And Making Your Own Life Easier by David Yeager
Technology & Ethos - Vol. 2 Book of Life by Imamu Amiri Baraka (LeRoi Jones)
The TIM - Technology Integration Matrix - https://fcit.usf.edu/matrix/
Where Good Ideas Come From: The Natural History of Innovation by Steven Johnson
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
You can find us on Linked in at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
For many, contemplation of the technological domain, the massive swift growth of generative AI, for example, comes with fear and trepidation. So we’re delighted to be joined today by Tricia Friedman, who brings calm, inspiration and fun to the challenge of imagining future technologies.
In this conversation we talk about not just generative AI, but also cross species communication, mobile phone bans in schools, and how to involve everyone in the conversation about technological change.
Tricia Friedman (she/her) is a long-time educator who has worked in the US, China, Thailand, Morocco, Ukraine, Indonesia, Switzerland, Singapore and now currently lives in Canada. She’s founder of Allyed.org and Director of Learning and Strategy with Shifting Schools. Tricia is an avid podcaster, you can catch her on Be a Better Ally, Unhinged Collaboration, Shifting Schools, and if you listen closely you might occasionally hear her dog weigh in too.
Connect with her on LinkedIn where you’ll catch her talking about the intersection of #AILiteracy #InformationLiteracy #MediaLiteracy and how #DEIJ is integral to those literacies and leadership.https://www.linkedin.com/in/tricia-friedman-allyed
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
You can find us on Linked in at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
For our introduction to season 3, we’re delighted to be joined by Patrick Alexander from Oxford Brookes University. Over the summer we’ve been working with Patrick to research and create a new collaborative paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools.
We intend this to be a provocation to leaders, to think differently about the future of education and their role in the creation of this future.
Today we’ll be talking through the key concepts and tools within the paper, and posing some questions for you to ponder as you listen to season three.
In this volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous world, how can you develop the future literacies needed to lead the school of today into tomorrow?
Dr. Patrick Alexander is Professor of Education and Anthropology at Oxford Brookes University, where he is also Research Lead for Education and Chair of the Children and Young People’s Research Network. Patrick’s research focuses on the anthropology of schooling, concepts of the future, and the professional learning of school leaders and teachers.
Find him on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-alexander-1082803/
Find out more about MSB and download our paper, Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, at www.makingstuffbetter.com
You can find us on Linked in at
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Dee Lanier, Lead Learning Designer at Lanier Learning and Education Coach for Samsung Education. Award winning TEDX speaker and author of Demarginalising Design, Dee Lanier is dedicated to co-designing equitable learning experiences for school leaders, staff, and students, and helping schools to implement technology in meaningful ways.
They discuss design thinking as a mindset, the importance of empathy, and solving the problem ‘with’ versus ‘for’.
How can we find out what really matters to the communities in and around schools to create an environment of change and development? Might there be a disconnect between what leaders and administrators recognise as challenges, and what the community they lead recognise as challenges? How can we begin to bridge that gap?
To get in touch with Dee, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deelanier/
Demarginalising Design: https://www.amazon.com/Demarginalizing-Design-Elevating-Problem-Solving/dp/0578286556
Lanier Learning: https://www.lanierlearning.com/
The Liberated Educator podcast: https://wavve.link/LiberatedPod/episodes
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Nicholas Janni, renowned speaker, coach, and co-founder / programme director at Matrix Development.
Nicholas is also the author of Business Book of the Year 2023 Leader as Healer, a new paradigm for 21st Century leadership - an unflinching call for leaders to leave the old paradigm and move towards a new mode of "leader as healers".
They discuss the role of reverence, intuition, and connection; the two paths to development’ and the power of a simple question.
Does our leadership style originate from childhood? And with this understanding, how can we truly ‘let go’ of frozen trauma and unlock connected, intentional leadership? What impact will this have on organisational health and the way generations lead those behind them?
To get in touch with Nicholas, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-janni-976b3817/
Website: https://www.nicholasjanni.com/
The Matrix Development: https://www.thematrixdevelopment.com/
Leaders as Healers book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leader-Healer-paradigm-21st-century-leadership/dp/1911687069
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Shane Leaning, international school leadership and organisational development coach, and creator and host of the Global Ed Leaders podcast for leaders shaping education on a global scale.
They discuss cultural differences in communication, decision making, authority and criticism; lessons from a valuable and little-known resource; and the power of a coaching-style approach to leadership.
How can we foster organisational health in international schools where cultural differences might result in vastly different approaches to crucial elements such as decision making or authority? What measures can we implement to overcome barriers presented by these differences? And how powerful can adaptability and curiosity really be?
Resource mentioned in episode:
Autobiography of Intercultural Encounters: https://www.coe.int/en/web/autobiography-intercultural-encounters
To get in touch with Shane, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leaningshane/?originalSubdomain=cn
Website: https://www.shaneleaning.com/
Global Ed Leaders Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/company/globaledleaders/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Ryan Persaud, school leader at VERSO International School, a “school of the future” in Thailand.
They discuss overcoming barriers and leading with courage, authenticity, and purpose; the importance of returning to the vision; and the power of mentorship.
What is culturally responsive leadership and how can leadership teams in international schools foster it? What role does our bias and our privilege play in how we lead and influence others?
To get in touch with Ryan, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-persaud/
VERSO International School: https://www.verso.ac.th/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Candice Smith, meeting & workshop facilitator, coach, and founder of The Thinking Field, through which she helps leaders to “create cultures of collaboration, inclusion, belonging and innovation.”
They discuss the responsibility we have to acknowledging the influence of previous generations, the importance of intentionality in setting up organisations that help our bodies and minds to thrive, and the tension between building profit and building a culture of thinking.
What is a ‘thinking environment’ and how can we actively create one? What is the role of collaboration, deep listening, and connection in this mission? How much damage can interrupting someone really do?
To get in touch with Candice, you can find her online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/candice-smith-a76944a/
The Thinking Field: https://www.thethinkingfield.com/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Stuart Reid, founder and Executive Leadership Team Coach at Stuart Reid Consulting, through which he helps senior leaders overcome the challenges of their position.
They discuss the importance of fun and laughter in creating organisational health; letting go and being open to playfulness, creativity, and curiosity; and how to frame mistakes as catalysts for opportunity
How much can we learn from improvisation? What effect does it have on our ability to connect, be present, and discover better ways of thinking?
To get in touch with Stuart , you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuartreid/?originalSubdomain=uk
Stuart Reid Consulting: https://www.stuartreid.co/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Matthew Savage, speaker, trainer, coach, and founder of The Mona Lisa Effect®, through which Matthew explores the intersection between wellbeing and DEIJ in schools all around the world.
In part 2 of their two-part series, they discuss the transformative effect of restorative practices, the need for systemic thinking, and the urgency trap.
In a society where academic intelligence is prized above all else, there seems to be an ‘either/or’ approach when it comes to good grades and wellbeing. But do we have to forfeit one for the other, or is there a symbiotic relationship between the two? Join Matt and Naomi as they discuss all of this and more with esteemed leadership coach Matthew Savage.
To get in touch with Matthew, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/savageeducation/?originalSubdomain=uk
The Mona Lisa Effect: https://monalisaeffect.me/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Matthew Savage, speaker, trainer, coach, and founder of The Mona Lisa Effect®, through which Matthew explores the intersection between wellbeing and DEIJ in schools all around the world.
In part 1 of a fascinating and value-packed conversation, they discuss why data is a question and never an answer, why good intentions aren’t always enough, and the complexity of organisational health and wellness.
Does community wellbeing depend up in the wellbeing of the most marginalised? What role does discomfort play in creating truly diverse and inclusive environments? And how can we address the submerged complexities that lead to the often over-simplified emergent symptoms?
To get in touch with Matthew, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/savageeducation/?originalSubdomain=uk
The Mona Lisa Effect: https://monalisaeffect.me/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by experienced educator and Headmistress of St. Mary’s School in Cambridge, Charlotte Avery, as well as friends and colleagues Kate Latham, Director of Teaching and Learning, and Amina.
They discuss the ideals at the heart of Mary Ward schools, the oft-overlooked importance of courage, joy, and optimism, and peacebuilding not as the absence of conflict but as an active and ongoing process.
To get in touch with Charlotte and her colleagues, you can find them online here:
Charlotte LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlotte-avery-5194747b/?originalSubdomain=uk
Kate LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kate-latham-1715181aa/?originalSubdomain=uk
St. Mary’s School: https://www.stmaryscambridge.co.uk/home.htm
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by author, consultant, and founder of Coachtech Collective, Sam Isaacson.
They discuss the crucial attributes great leaders have and how these impact the organisations they lead, the importance of emotional intelligence and embracing our vulnerabilities, and how well-defined structures and policies can safeguard against potential issues and protect organisational health.
To get in touch with Sam, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samisaacson/?originalSubdomain=uk
Coachtech Collective: https://www.isaacson.uk/
Next Generation Leadership: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Next-Generation-Leadership-blueprint-systemic/dp/B0CGYW3BHX/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1696414106&refinements=p_27%3ASam+Isaacson&s=books&sr=1-1
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by high-school educator, career counsellor, and co-founder of Kokoro Careers, Kyra Kellawan.
They discuss the importance of embracing uniqueness and individuality in all students and why we need to recognise generational changes in both education and the workplace. How can we empower students to feel seen, heard, and supported? And what impact does this have on organisational health both in education and in businesses hiring graduates?
To get in touch with Kyra, you can find her online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyrakellawan/
Kokoro Careers: https://kokorouk.com/careers/
Benjamin Franklin International School: https://www.bfischool.org/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Principled is back!
Welcome to Season 2 of the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better introduce their mission statement for an exciting second season.
This time, we're exploring organisational health. What does it mean to create healthy systems? And how can we overcome the challenges currently faced by leaders in education?
With the help of some fantastic guests, Matt and Naomi invite you on a journey to explore how we can promote safe spaces full of opportunity.
So join us as we find out what the people at the forefront of education, systems thinking, ecology, consultancy and many more industries are doing to protect these spaces for the generations to come.
Stay tuned for more episodes of Principled.
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by renowned poet and theologian, Pádraig Ó Tuama.
They're kicking off their exploration of systemic and organisational health from the perspective of a poet, discussing poetry as an unpredictable language event; the important secondary purpose of all organisations that should not be overlooked; and the role of courage and innovation in teaching .
To get in touch with Pádraig , you can find him online here:
LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/p%C3%A1draig-%C3%B3-tuama-4a7b36225
Website : https://www.padraigotuama.com/
Podcast : https://onbeing.org/series/poetry-unbound/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall, Naomi Ward and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better sit down to look back on a successful first season of Principled.
They reflect on various lightbulb moments, including why belonging is not always a positive thing; the power of story, ritual and language; and why active listening is so important when trying to cultivate inclusive environments.
Thank you to everyone who has joined us on Season 1 of Principled. Stay tuned - we're not going anywhere.
To get in touch with the team, you can find them online here:
Matt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Naomi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Gill: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
For more information, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to Owen Eastwood, performance coach and author of the Belonging: The Ancient Code Of Togetherness.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: the impact belonging has on our hormones, the link between resilience and belonging, and why we have a responsibility to ensure every decision we make allows those that come after us to thrive.
To get in touch with Owen, you can find him online here:
Belonging: The Ancient Code Of Togetherness: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Belonging-Ancient-Togetherness-Owen-Eastwood/dp/1529415063
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-eastwood-4867a39/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better revisit a popular episode from Season 1 of Principled. Episode 2 featured Mel Ellis, Head of the Dulwich College Senior School in Singapore.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why a sense of belonging is seen as an outcome rather than something to be consciously created; the importance of students feeling secure within their identity; and how we can model a positive value-driven culture within schools.
To get in touch with Mel, you can find her online here:
Dulwich College: https://singapore.dulwich.org/community/teachers/melanie-ellis
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melanie-ellis-8818941a5/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to Aisha Thomas, Founder & Director of Representation Matters, who has dedicated her career to transforming the lack of racial diversity in education.
They discuss how creating belonging starts with the self; why the question "do I belong?" will always be prevalent until society represents everyone; and the importance of listening and being uncomfortable.
To get in touch with Aisha, you can find her online here:
Representation Matters: https://www.repmatters.co.uk/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aisha-thomas-b9786946/
Aisha's Book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Representation-Matters-How-anti-racist-educator/dp/1472989457
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better revisit a popular episode from Season 1 of Principled. Episode 6 featured author Doug Lemov, chatting about various concepts arising from his book and online community, Teach Like A Champion.
Doug's analytical approach to effective teaching made a lasting impact on the hosts. They discussed the importance of making schools a safe space; positive reinforcement tools; and how we can encourage children to achieve things they never thought possible.
To get in touch with Doug, find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/douglemov/
Teach Like A Champion: https://teachlikeachampion.org/
Buy Doug's book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doug-Lemov/e/B002ZC7PI6?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1674035565&sr=1-1
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to Brett Girven, Principal at The Arbor School, about their innovative approach to breaking free from the confines of traditional learning.
They discuss how a collaborative relationship with teaching and nature can foster belonging in children; why ecosophy is so vital to the philosophy of the school; and why the students prize spending time with a giant tortoise more than the usual treats!
To get in touch with Brett, you can find him online here:
The Arbor School: https://www.thearborschool.ae/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brett-girven-355693114/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall of Making Stuff Better is joined by Catherine McKinley, Founder and Director of the Green Shoots International School in Vietnam.
They discuss belonging in a global capacity, touching on Catherine's personal relationship with finding belonging in an educational environment after moving to Singapore as a young teen. Catherine tells us the inspiring story behind why she felt so moved to open a school in Vietnam and the challenges she had to overcome to do so.
To get in touch with Catherine, you can find her online here:
Green Shoots International School: https://www.greenshoots.edu.vn/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherine-mckinley-333a8834/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
In this episode of the Principled podcast, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to d'Arcy Lunn about the essence of global belonging.
They discuss why d'Arcy draws so much inspiration, energy, and optimism from young people; how a sense of global citizenship can foster belonging; and how teaspoons of change can transform our world and our education model for the better.
To get in touch with d'Arcy, you can find him online here:
Education In Motion: https://www.eimglobal.com/
Teaspoons Of Change: https://teaspoonsofchange.org/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darcy-lunn/
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better have a discussion between themselves about certain aspects of belonging.
They discuss various topics, including: why a sense of belonging isn't necessarily born out of a fear of loneliness; how it can be beneficial to know yourself before joining a tribe; and Matt shares a wonderful poem by Pádraig Ó Tuama.
To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Julie Rees about belonging within the curriculum.
They discuss various topics based on the theme of belonging, including:
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How to welcome new and transferring students quickly and effectively by allowing them their own space
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Why making students feel safe enough to express themselves honestly can lead to great things
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The importance of creating carefully thought-out values within the curriculum.
To get in touch with Julie, you can find her online here:
Ledbury Primary School
Making Stuff Better
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to author Michael Cahill from Coaching Constellations about how to best manage the exit process.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why managing endings is crucial, not just to those directly involved, but also to those remaining who may get a glimpse of their own future; how a sense of belonging can be fostered across multiple organisations and industries; and why an employee's notice period needn't warrant their exclusion from important strategic decision making.
To get in touch, please find us online here:
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to author Doug Lemov about various concepts arising from his book and online community, Teach Like A Champion.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: how the rise of smartphones and social media has led to an increase in anxiety and depression - and why making schools a safe space can help massively; why clicking in a classroom can be a positive reinforcement tool; and why children often value being pushed to achieve things they never thought possible through the high expectations of a coach or teacher.
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better talk to Founder of the School Should Be community, Zahara Chowdhury.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why leadership can be incredibly lonely, and the ways in which leaders can feel more connected; how to integrate new staff into a school in a more holistic way; and how not contributing for the first three months can actually lead to greater long-term insight into an organisation.
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Roy Leighton.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why inclusion is so vital but belonging can potentially be dangerous - in a certain context; why he's always been fascinated by the work of Johan Galtung; and how safe, sacred spaces can be truly transformative to a school.
To find the resources Roy mentioned, look here:
Positive Peace Cambridge
CPERG
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Joe Heap, the Festival Director of the Towersey Festival.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why there is so much to learn about a sense of belonging from a long-running festival; the role that ancestry and history can potentially play in helping to foster a sense of identity within schools; and how people can feel the spirit of belonging in vastly different ways.
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Mel Ellis.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: the role a curriculum plays in fostering a sense of identity; how to handle the process of a teacher arriving and leaving in a holistic way; and how wider issues such as agency, context and geography can affect that sense of belonging.
To get in touch, please find us online here:
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this welcome episode, Matt Hall, Naomi Ward and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better give a fascinating introduction into themselves and their mission to highlight what matters most in the world of educational leadership.
Gill explains why being around people who have had a vastly different lived experience can be so mind expanding. Naomi describes why a sense of belonging will always be of paramount importance to communities. Matt shares some insight into what's driving this podcast and what to expect from both themselves and their exciting forthcoming guests.
Stay tuned for future episodes of the Principled podcast.
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